This makes sense, would like to have seen a play on words/funny parallel to make the card more "chicken" inclined though, something a long the lines of "Kentookey Fry Chef"
I think that Project chimera could be printed if it gave you a random minion deck, something like Wizzlebang as a one card deck, but with random minions. No one would play it tho.
i think it would also be really sick for the solo adventures as one of the broken cards you can pick along the way you know after round 2 or 3 when you pick one of 3 solo aventure only cards
Imagine cheating Lifewing out and putting multiple 1-cost versions of it in your deck with Spirit of the Dead, welcome to value town! (why not just play the quest and seance Amara as it’s much easier and gets you to 40hp? how the f should I know, I’m rank 20 for a reason)
I think Amara is safe because of the deathrattle requirement (tbh priest has many easy ways to get Amara out pretty fast but still needs those cards, for example, twilight's call) but every deck has mana, but it's a hard card to see how fast / easy priest can pull it out.
@@michaelstudeny8848 Well, cheating out exactly Lifewing, let it survive a turn and then spirit of the dead it (your opponent wouldn't normally kill it himself i guess) to draw it afterwards isn't exactly an easy thing either
Infectious rat removes the enemy minion from graveyard. Very powerful against resurrect priest and Hadronox when given rush. It's more like a 1 mana polymorph than gastropod.
Which is great, because Hunter doesn't have any polymorph/non-kill removal abilities or spells at the moment when most other classes do (Mage [Potion of Polymorph, Polymorph, Polymorph: Boar], Shaman [Hex, Devolve], Priest [Entomb, probably a few others], Warlock [the project card, Howlfiend + Treachery, Azzari, destroy half deck card], Rogue [though only temporary removal, Sap, Vanish, also good at getting random spells that can have that effect]. That's all I can remember off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure Druid and Paladin also have cards with similar effects. Hunter and Warrior are the only two classes that really don't have anything remotely comparable to Polymorph.
@@sayrain908 The point of custom hearthstone cards isnt to replace busted or dead cards. You could make your own balanced version of said existing card but I dont think anyone will really care or pay attention.
@@antemoniac7502 completely forgot about it well, probably because it has nothing to do with the wow spell the one in video could be a really cool adaptation. in WoW you recast it until you get the buffs you need and here you reroll until you get some nice spell. that's why i got so excited and said some dumb shit xD
Could the Project: Chimera work as a quest? 1 mana Chimea Project Quest Req. play 4 unique tribe minions Reward. Project: Chimera 5 mana Project: Chimera 5/5 ALL Battlecry: If your deck has no spells, make all minions in your deck, hand, and on your side of the battlefield tribe ALL
Dio honestly? I have no idea. The game is inconsistently coded. But even if it only counted for one tribe per use, you could still use it for two while the rest of the deck is beast/mech synergy. Plus that version could have masters call and that 3 mana discover a minion in your deck minion to search it out. The effect is stronger than I think I’d be comfortable with for standard, so it can’t be printed while any ALL tribals are in standard.
Skullhawk13 The text as OP wrote it means that you would need to play 4 minions that aren’t copies of each other and each have different tribes. Amalgam would only count for one and might cause the quest to fail depending on how it was coded. In any case making it a quest allows for wiggle room on the balance - your deck idea only accounts for three tribes; what if the quest requirement was 5 tribes? A bigger problem is that I think quests are all class cards, and idk if this idea merits breaking that pattern
Sideways I mean the issue is it’s all or nothing, a deck balanced around it would need the effect early, so getting it late just leaves you with a terrible deck, but start of game means you just have an unholy beast/mech/murloc/pirate aggro deck. The idea is probably not salvageable. It’s either worthless or broken, I don’t see a middle ground
@@CabbageYe Phantom militia is a neutral card. What I meant is class card with echo mechanic, y'know. Only Druid and Mage that got left out and don't get echo class cards Priest got 2 2/1 Squashling Rogue got 3 2/2 Face Collector Paladin got Ring the Bells! Warrior got Warpath Warlock got Curse of Weakness Hunter got 2 mana 2/1 beast with rush. Shaman got 2 mana 2/2 spirit angler
Kinda. Giving your opponent an incentive to leave your minion alive is kind of a cool benefit -- like "anti-taunt." Even decks could kill it without hesitation, so they still get some benefit from their deck restriction.
@@BradGreer It has anti-taunt cuz it benefits them tho. The longer they keep it on the more they get out of it. For non-even decks, they can kill it immediately and still just have a benefit, compared to just not having a benefit
@@CabbageYe No, I understand. If the opponent immediately kills it, they still could've gotten the benefit for that turn, which is still a benefit even if it's for 1 turn
Your deck wont work till you draw it then. Even if you always draw and play it on 6 you probably already lost the game to every aggro, zoo and midrange deck.
@@boofiman6082 Hell no. Thats Keleseth all over again. Just high-roll for a draw early game and if you get it you have 80% win rate, if you not you have 30%. Doesn't look healthy at all for the game.
"Whisper's of the Old Frogs?" Whisper's? It never ceases to amaze me how people can put so much time and effort into a work of art (or in this case, card design) and then make it look like it was made by a 3rd grader by not proofreading. It's like embellishing the Mona Lisa with crayons.
@@baldawen Which is why it's even worse, if all the person had to do was the card text, they should know grammar, spelling, punctuation and other basic things that have to do with words.
Alternatively, it could be interpreted possessively. In that case, it implies that "Whisper" is a person, and he/she owns an object called "of the old frogs." Who is this person, then, and why was this object have such a strange name?
How would the investment mechanic track for your opponent? Would it just show a basic investment card or would it show the card you invest it in? Also wouldn't any card that would be suited dir a control deck with the investment mechanic be way to good as control decks do nothing alot so they would have alot if mana to invest
Project: Chimera could be salvaged with two major stipulations. First, the Start of Game effect instead gives you a quest to play on turn 1 that states "Play 4 minions with different tags REWARD: the tags of your minions become ALL." The other stipulation is that instead of no spells, the card should say no class cards. This makes it so it doesn't get out of hand too early, but still presents itself as an interesting option.
Project: Chimera could be fixed by saying: START OF GAME: If you have no Tribe minions in your deck, your minions' tribe becomes ALL. Which would make those cards really strong but useless for most classes - Shamans, Hunter and Warlocks would benefit the most because of their natural affinity to certain tribes like Totems, Elementals, Demons and Beasts. But that's just me. I like this card.
Not completely unreasonable actually. Prevents Mechwarper abuse (at least until you discover one in the inevitable Mech Warrior variation), and it's difficult to obtain other minions that actually interact with those tribes. Even tech cards like Golakka Crawler would be a no go because they have their own tag.
Pretty sure the card would be useless then. It's obvious you want to play this card for tribe synergies but almost all cards that have them are part of a tribe too.
"I was thinking something like, if you have only 1 tribe in your deck, all minions become that tribe", so you can get some bonus synergy to non-tribe cards, but not too much. I can't think of anything too silly off the top of my head. Mechwarper + echo obviously a bit weird, but mechwarper's wild now so I think that's alright?
the thing with Lifewing is that your oponent knows you have lifewing on hand so it can be countered/played around, and your opponent can also keep track of the mana cost
@@purpleaki06 the "investment" key word. You have to play the card,at the very least, once to make it manageable cost(turn turn 10 for ten mana so it returns to your hand at 10 mana). You can play the card earlier than 10 of course to "invest" and reduce the cost over time. The moment you do, the opponent would know since it would be pointed out in the action bar and knowledge would tell you no other card can be played and do nothing. You can play around it by using mirror entity when you think it's coming, pressure face to force opponent between investing lifewing or playing something else, or just killing him before he can invest enough mana into it.
@@MrTetrisz If you're a Warlock and he has few cards in hand and dumps an entire turn into Lifewing, you could play Demonic Project and stand a reasonable chance at hitting Lifewing and just straight up winning right there. Or in Wild you can hang onto a Dirty Rat if you can manipulate his hand into being small enough to stand a good chance at pulling out the Lifewing that way.
I recall way back when (like 2+ years ago) in a stream Q&A someone asked Trump to come up with a card and he immediately came up with "Trump-o", a neutral 4 mana 2-2 with battlecry: draw a card and deathrattle: draw a card. Even going off the absurd power levels in HS today that seems a little OP.
I think project chimera can be salvaged with the word fused . The end of your turn the monster will fuse with the right most minion. That means play order and they cant fuse again after they fused
Chimera could say something like "Your minions with no tribe gain all tribes", maybe? I'm not sure if you could make a stupid deck out of non-tribed tribal payoffs like Houndmaster, but if not it'd be trading off flexibility in one dimension (spells) for flexibility in another (more minions to include)
You could just make the 6/6 start of game battle-cry. This prevents aggressive openings and you need to find the card. If this is not enough you could make it a legendary spell that costs upwards to 6 mana: if you have no other spells the tribe tag of all monsters becomes all.
Project Chimera: Actually, it's easily salvageable. Give each tribe one other tribe. It can either be a cycle, or a pair. For example: Machines are also totem and vice versa Dragons are also Beast and vice versa Murloc are also Pirate and vice versa Demons are also elemental and vice versa (It just happens that we have 8, so easily 4 pairs) Alternatively: Totems are machines are dragons are beasts are murlocs are pirates are demons are elementals are totems (have fun parsing) or something like that. You can, therefore, play a dual tribe deck and the menagerie cards(in wild) would become better. But nothing excessively busted. The text would simply say give every tribal card an extra tribe, with details on the mouse over details box. Random assignments can work too, and that could even affect non-tribed cards. But that might cause more issues in execution.
Project Chimera is even more powerful now, turn 5 play scargill, play Alextraza, Malygos, or literally any 10 mana minion. Don’t forget all of these will also synergise with every tribe.
Project Chimera seems fair to me, lacking ANY spells seems like a big handicap. Hunter would want things like kill command, flanking strike etc. priest would want buffs, mage would want burn etc. etc. I feel like a lack of spells in your entire deck is a pretty intense downside
Would Chimera work if only your beasts became All (so anything else can synergize into them but not allowing cross synergy of mechs into murlocs and so on?). Would still be strong and deck defining but leave options for the opponent to react and maybe force hunters to have a Beast plus one more tribe for consistent strategy? The wording makes Deathstalker a non-issue anyway so it's only as bonkers as the minions would let it.
Project Chimera could be interesting, if it worked vice versa, putting a LIMIT on the total amount of minions you can have, i think. Then again, you can summon minions with some spells, but still could be interesting. Minions'tribe becomes "ALL" but you can put only, say, up to 8 in your deck.
project chimera could be fixed by affecting the board instead of the deck minions would get played as themselves and only when out in the board could be targeted by a houndmaster or aura effect, mech warper becomes balanced again and dragon synergies would go to waste but thats minor imo
You can already Dire Frenzy your Queen Carnassa to both buff her on the board and get 3 more of her in the deck. Which in practice isn't even close to OP because Quest Hunter still sucks. Hunter would need a way to make more copies of Coldlight Oracle to make a decent fatigue deck, and since Dire Frenzy only works on Beasts, that's currently not an option.
Would there be a way to balance the Project Chimera effect on something like a 10 mana hero card? Something very late game value orientated rather than facerush destruction? I love the idea of the card but I can definitely see how broken it is atm.
3:35 that card says shuffle AN old frog- you don’t get one of each, you don’t get one in your hand, you don’t get to discover the one you want then shuffle that it, nope, just one random big card. Yikes. Yeah I’d never play that. If it was put in your hand, you could discover which one to shuffle in or you get all four put in to dilute your deck and be big slow cards as the drawback for getting access to all four then maybe
I wonder what would happen if priest (through mind vision or cloning device) got their hands on a tree of life in wild and used an auchenai soul priestess first, who would be considered the winner?
For project chimera, i think its salvage-able if you turn it into something similar to keleseth with expensive mana cost (around 8-10 mana) While still having the same restriction and same effect P.s. sorry if it may still be too op cuz im still new to hearthstone
10:50 the card is even more overpowered as he says. It reads "Your *minions'* tribe becomes ALL". Not "your tribe minions", all of your minions. Maybe it's intended to only work for tribe minions but as it reads it would work for all minions
You're not locking out mana the next turn, you're paying whatever mana you have this turn to reduce the cost. Think of it like playing any of the Forbidden cards from Whispers of the Old Gods, it uses up all of your remaining to do something based on how much mana you spent. This is pretty much the same thing, the only difference is the thing it's doing is reducing the cost of the card until it's 10 mana or less in cost so that you can actually put it on the board. And it's a special keyword to make that interaction more obvious.
isnt hibernate more of a druid thing, i know my druid used to cast hibernate back in the day in WoW and arent druids known for hibernating like we had to wake malfurion from his slumber in warcraft III campaign
Don't worry trump, I know how to fix Chimera: Start of Game: Throw out your deck and replace it with a new one that is randomly generated amongst your collection. Your minions now have "All" as their tribe.
I don’t understand the Investment mechanic. Is it like “at the end of your turn, while this is in your hand, spend any excess mana to reduce its cost?” Is the Investment keyword tied to the text, or should it say “Investment. Battlecry: fully heal your hero?” Does it only happen while the card is in your hand, or can you invest while it’s still in your deck? If you have multiple Investment cards, are they all reduced together, or do you have to invest in them separately? It seems very unclear I’m surprised Trump didn’t dock design points
Trump said in the video he thinks the creator just forgot to put in the Battlecry. Other than that though it's pretty easy to understand that you just play it to use up your remaining mana to reduce the cost of that card. Trump even explains it in the video.
Digiquo “you just play it to use up your remaining mana to reduce the cost of that card” is a super confusing sentence. Play what? You can’t play a card if it costs more mana than you have. Is this an exception to that rule? If so, can you choose to reduce its cost instead of playing it in the case that you can already afford it? Is it automatically happening at the end of your turn? If this is as simple as you claim, I’m sorry for still not getting it. I appreciate everyone’s patience
Project Chimera: rogue legendary: Start of game :if this is the only minion in your deck, your minions' have magnetic and their tribe becomes all, (academic espionage)
I LOVE investment. It would feel SO good to have inefficient mana turns feel better. Amazing mechanic, probably my favorite. It feels so skillful, when and when not to save your mana for investment.
You make a point about Whispers of the Old Frogs not evoking their old god predecessors, but what about C'thun and Mech'athun? Mech'athun's effect has nothing to do with C'thun
This is the main reason why I don't like Mech'athun, it's just some silly effect with no real deckbuilding restrictions, just make sure your deck, hand and board are devoid of anything when Mech'athun dies. In C'thun decks you had to include minions that would explicitly buff your C'thun to get off the (now extremely underwhelming) BATTLECRY. Mech'athun is a DEATHRATTLE minion who doesn't force you to really do anything with your deck, you can just include him to use as a last resort if you somehow don't win earlier. Sure you can build your deck in a way that makes it easier to fulfill his deathrattle requirements, but it has no direct impact on the efficacy of his deathrattle. I think at the very least, Mech'aThun should've been a Mech N'zoth instead, so at least there is some flavor from the Deathrattle effect being carried over.
"If you just remix any old gods, you'll get voted as a top card of customhearthstone" Yep pretty much. There are just some types of cards that subreddit is totally in love with, in particular any kind of self referential or meta bullshit (which includes "tributes" to old cards no matter how well or badly designed they are, or hero cards no matter how badly designed they are, cards that generate cards that either generate more cards or just do something needlessly complex, or anything to do with illidan) and weird/stupid ways of achieving things you could do with normal wording, like "tearing cards in half" or "remove one word" or whatever. edit: Hey that "The Card Dealer" managed to combine both #1 and #3 in my list! lol
I could actually get behind something like "Start of the Game: If you have no other minions in your deck, all minions you summon this game have the tribe all". Lets you get cool synergy, but you have to work for it, using spells that create minions.
Just make the minion a battlecry instead. Make it a lower cost, lower stated minion. Stops OP early game shenanigans while still giving you lots of late game options and combo potential.
@@Noobie2k7 Too minor, I mean menagerie synergy could still work, but having one copy of it would make it too unpredictable and having two copies creates "this is useless" moments. Unless you stat the creature more on curve, then it is no longer a gimmick, more of a bonus attached to your natural zoo deck. Not sure. It does open some strange combos with anyfin?
"I don't know what you were thinking, custom hearthstone reddit" oh, just the usual custom hearthstone reddit things OLD GODS CARD!!! ME UPVOTE CARD THAT PRODUCES FOUR OTHER CARDS!!! ME UPVOTE LEGENDARIES!!! ME UPVOTE
I wrote the comment like 5 minutes into the video and then like 2 cards later is a custom hero that shuffles unique legendary cards into your deck. the custom hearthstone community sucks at designing cards.
oh my god the NEXT CARD AFTER THAT IS A LEGENDARY THAT MAKES ONE OF FOUR RANDOM LEGENDARIES CUSTOM HEARTHSTONE STOP DESIGNING THIS SAME ONE CARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN YOU'RE SO BAD AT MAKING LEGENDARIES WITH INTERESTING EFFECTS
I get what you're saying but i think a lot of people like value over time card that allow them to play late game. Dont need to be a dick about saying it tho
They should change it to infectious ghoul and change the picture, and make it not a beast. That makes more sense anyway.. since why would getting bitten by a rat turn you into a rat?
"Investment" could've been explained a bit better by the author. For example it could be "While this is in your hand, unused mana crystals are subtracted from its cost" in the form of an end of turn effect. If you have multiple "Investment" cards in your hand the mana could be evenly spread or randomly dumped in a single card. Very cool effect anyways
@@xSnowdrift Yeah I just realized that the way I worded it changes the effect when you have multiple cards in your hand. It becomes an RNG effect but the author clearly wanted the player to choose the card to discount. Didn't realize that up until now
@@andersonanderson1009 "Investment" cards can only be used against midrange and control. You don't have the time to play it vs aggro. A mechanic that is completly useless vs the most popular decks in ladder doesn't sound that busted.
What if the ALL tag was only given to minion in the condition that your deck has only spells. And it could be run in the expansion that introduces neutral spells to slow down games a bit.
And how exactly would that be usefull? This card is only usefull for the tribe synergies but not a single minion that gets summoned trough a spell has it.
@@clavigerai1766 So, the card would be completly useless right now then? Then it can be a 6 mana 6/6 with the effect of "Give all Assassins +2/+2". I'm sure it would get more support later when the Assassin tribe gets introduced. :^) P.S. Spell Hunter with a Minion lul
@@baldawen The point is that minions or tokens you generate have the ALL tribe. Think dire frenzy, or secret paladin shenanigans. Very easy to design cards like neutral spells that support this kind of deck type
CLAVIGER AI I got it man. You want a card that’s useless as it is because it has no support currently in this game. If you think that’s how you design cards - fine. I don’t really want to argue about that.
goin thru these old videos again and am I the only one salty trumps reasoning Chimera is broken is "if you draw this exact set of 8 cards back to back in a perfrct curve its crazy!!?" like dont get me wrong the synergies probably make it too good to print but "oh if you manage to draw a perfect curve for 7 turns straight its opop!!" is such bullshit. any deck is op if you draw a perfect curve for ***7 turns***.
the "Mad" part of the chef appears to be that he is willing to butcher and serve all types of minions (for only 1hp)
This makes sense, would like to have seen a play on words/funny parallel to make the card more "chicken" inclined though, something a long the lines of "Kentookey Fry Chef"
David Schwab I thought it was a nod to the fact that the chickens in the game are angry so he’s mad as well
Serving up a goldshire footman as a meal is totally normal, what are you talking about? >.>
Don't try and use logic on Trump. He won't get it.
@@ginny4000 Kentucky but yeah.
Ha, Infectious Sporeling is in the game now.
he was right though, it’s useless
Yup.
The Project Chimera would be neat for a Tavern Brawl imo
I think that Project chimera could be printed if it gave you a random minion deck, something like Wizzlebang as a one card deck, but with random minions. No one would play it tho.
it could be but blizzard has released any really interesting brawlz as of late the last good one was the present brawl
Well, this comment has aged well.
@@aimbotarrow5981 Yup
"I love the flavor of chicken."
-Trump
Who doesn't?
vegans?
Ask Kripp :]
Shit, you stole my comment out of my mouth 😂
@Ravi V "Also meat has no place in a contemporary society given that there's no need for meat" Meat tastes good btw
and i was merely joking my dude
I think project: chimera would be a fun concept for a tavern-brawl rather than a card.
IT HAPPENED!!! u predicted that tavern brawl!!!
i think it would also be really sick for the solo adventures as one of the broken cards you can pick along the way you know after round 2 or 3 when you pick one of 3 solo aventure only cards
Imagine cheating Lifewing out and putting multiple 1-cost versions of it in your deck with Spirit of the Dead, welcome to value town! (why not just play the quest and seance Amara as it’s much easier and gets you to 40hp? how the f should I know, I’m rank 20 for a reason)
Cause you can not cheat out Amara, completing quest is a tough thing.
I think Amara is safe because of the deathrattle requirement (tbh priest has many easy ways to get Amara out pretty fast but still needs those cards, for example, twilight's call) but every deck has mana, but it's a hard card to see how fast / easy priest can pull it out.
But really, why not both?
@@michaelstudeny8848 Well, cheating out exactly Lifewing, let it survive a turn and then spirit of the dead it (your opponent wouldn't normally kill it himself i guess) to draw it afterwards isn't exactly an easy thing either
As an attacking Acolyte of Agony would say, WHY NOT BOTH?!?!?!
"Investment" is like reverse "overload".
Infectious rat removes the enemy minion from graveyard. Very powerful against resurrect priest and Hadronox when given rush. It's more like a 1 mana polymorph than gastropod.
Which is great, because Hunter doesn't have any polymorph/non-kill removal abilities or spells at the moment when most other classes do (Mage [Potion of Polymorph, Polymorph, Polymorph: Boar], Shaman [Hex, Devolve], Priest [Entomb, probably a few others], Warlock [the project card, Howlfiend + Treachery, Azzari, destroy half deck card], Rogue [though only temporary removal, Sap, Vanish, also good at getting random spells that can have that effect]. That's all I can remember off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure Druid and Paladin also have cards with similar effects. Hunter and Warrior are the only two classes that really don't have anything remotely comparable to Polymorph.
which also gives the enemy minion a way to "polymorph" your minions as well
Hows infectious sporeling. Has it countered any priests yet
@@alextheonewarrior nobody runs it :(
@@NitroCheese yea that was why I was asking. It's a good card, just hard to run in the current meta :(
Roll the Dice should be a rogue card for sure. i mean, there's even a skill in WoW called Roll the Bones so it's super flavorful
'roll the bones' is actually already a card
Antemoniac
It’s a “dead” card though
Sayrain uh a current deck is using it, it’s great draw for rattlerogue
@@sayrain908 The point of custom hearthstone cards isnt to replace busted or dead cards. You could make your own balanced version of said existing card but I dont think anyone will really care or pay attention.
@@antemoniac7502 completely forgot about it
well, probably because it has nothing to do with the wow spell
the one in video could be a really cool adaptation. in WoW you recast it until you get the buffs you need and here you reroll until you get some nice spell. that's why i got so excited and said some dumb shit xD
im so happy we actually got an infectious rat in the form of the 1/2 mushroom thing god i love it
Could the Project: Chimera work as a quest?
1 mana Chimea Project
Quest
Req. play 4 unique tribe minions
Reward. Project: Chimera
5 mana Project: Chimera
5/5 ALL
Battlecry: If your deck has no spells, make all minions in your deck, hand, and on your side of the battlefield tribe ALL
Doubledasher I mean, just play nightmare amalgamate, quest complete
@@Skullhawk13 wouldnt "All" just count as 1 of the unique tribes?
Dio honestly? I have no idea. The game is inconsistently coded. But even if it only counted for one tribe per use, you could still use it for two while the rest of the deck is beast/mech synergy. Plus that version could have masters call and that 3 mana discover a minion in your deck minion to search it out. The effect is stronger than I think I’d be comfortable with for standard, so it can’t be printed while any ALL tribals are in standard.
Skullhawk13 The text as OP wrote it means that you would need to play 4 minions that aren’t copies of each other and each have different tribes. Amalgam would only count for one and might cause the quest to fail depending on how it was coded.
In any case making it a quest allows for wiggle room on the balance - your deck idea only accounts for three tribes; what if the quest requirement was 5 tribes?
A bigger problem is that I think quests are all class cards, and idk if this idea merits breaking that pattern
Sideways I mean the issue is it’s all or nothing, a deck balanced around it would need the effect early, so getting it late just leaves you with a terrible deck, but start of game means you just have an unholy beast/mech/murloc/pirate aggro deck. The idea is probably not salvageable. It’s either worthless or broken, I don’t see a middle ground
Curious how Radiant Elemental is always the one to limit design space in priest.
same goes for mage, with sorcerers' apprentice being a classic (or basic?) card.
Mage doesn't even get Echo cards from witchwood
@@derrilazkia1002 phantom milita is echo
He was clearly talking about mage class spells with echo
@@CabbageYe Phantom militia is a neutral card. What I meant is class card with echo mechanic, y'know.
Only Druid and Mage that got left out and don't get echo class cards
Priest got 2 2/1 Squashling
Rogue got 3 2/2 Face Collector
Paladin got Ring the Bells!
Warrior got Warpath
Warlock got Curse of Weakness
Hunter got 2 mana 2/1 beast with rush.
Shaman got 2 mana 2/2 spirit angler
Storyteller hard counters even deck though. The value!
Kinda. Giving your opponent an incentive to leave your minion alive is kind of a cool benefit -- like "anti-taunt." Even decks could kill it without hesitation, so they still get some benefit from their deck restriction.
@@BradGreer It has anti-taunt cuz it benefits them tho. The longer they keep it on the more they get out of it. For non-even decks, they can kill it immediately and still just have a benefit, compared to just not having a benefit
"hard counter" is a strong phrase. i'd probably say like, "minor inconvenience"
@@AleskanderPog don't think you understand that the effect is only active when storyteller is on the board. It's not 1 Mana for the rest of the game
@@CabbageYe No, I understand. If the opponent immediately kills it, they still could've gotten the benefit for that turn, which is still a benefit even if it's for 1 turn
Could Project: Chimera work as a battlecry effect? Same condition and effect, just delayed to prevent the massive early game synergy potential.
Sounds like a good fix, but could it reliably be found before turn 6? Maybe it should also be a 3 mana 2/3, just to allow more flexibility
Your deck wont work till you draw it then. Even if you always draw and play it on 6 you probably already lost the game to every aggro, zoo and midrange deck.
@@boofiman6082 Hell no. Thats Keleseth all over again. Just high-roll for a draw early game and if you get it you have 80% win rate, if you not you have 30%. Doesn't look healthy at all for the game.
"Whisper's of the Old Frogs?" Whisper's? It never ceases to amaze me how people can put so much time and effort into a work of art (or in this case, card design) and then make it look like it was made by a 3rd grader by not proofreading. It's like embellishing the Mona Lisa with crayons.
Most of the artwork you see on r/customhearthstone is stolen from somewhere and just edited to fit the card. Usually people only do the card text.
@@baldawen Which is why it's even worse, if all the person had to do was the card text, they should know grammar, spelling, punctuation and other basic things that have to do with words.
Michael Ladror I thought you meant that it should’ve been called croaks of the old frogs
@@feritperliare2890 Whisper's = Whisper is. Thus, he named the card "Whisper is of the old frogs." What a terrible name!
Alternatively, it could be interpreted possessively. In that case, it implies that "Whisper" is a person, and he/she owns an object called "of the old frogs." Who is this person, then, and why was this object have such a strange name?
The Yugioh Card Blue Eyes should have taunt also.
How would the investment mechanic track for your opponent? Would it just show a basic investment card or would it show the card you invest it in? Also wouldn't any card that would be suited dir a control deck with the investment mechanic be way to good as control decks do nothing alot so they would have alot if mana to invest
Project: Chimera could be salvaged with two major stipulations. First, the Start of Game effect instead gives you a quest to play on turn 1 that states "Play 4 minions with different tags REWARD: the tags of your minions become ALL." The other stipulation is that instead of no spells, the card should say no class cards. This makes it so it doesn't get out of hand too early, but still presents itself as an interesting option.
Project: Chimera could be fixed by saying:
START OF GAME:
If you have no Tribe minions in your deck, your minions' tribe becomes ALL.
Which would make those cards really strong but useless for most classes - Shamans, Hunter and Warlocks would benefit the most because of their natural affinity to certain tribes like Totems, Elementals, Demons and Beasts.
But that's just me. I like this card.
Not completely unreasonable actually. Prevents Mechwarper abuse (at least until you discover one in the inevitable Mech Warrior variation), and it's difficult to obtain other minions that actually interact with those tribes. Even tech cards like Golakka Crawler would be a no go because they have their own tag.
Pretty sure the card would be useless then. It's obvious you want to play this card for tribe synergies but almost all cards that have them are part of a tribe too.
Could also be "If you have no spells in your deck, your minions' have 3 random tribes" or idk
@@hiraethneko-chan1022 That would be bad since it would be weird to check which Tribes the cards have.
"I was thinking something like, if you have only 1 tribe in your deck, all minions become that tribe", so you can get some bonus synergy to non-tribe cards, but not too much. I can't think of anything too silly off the top of my head.
Mechwarper + echo obviously a bit weird, but mechwarper's wild now so I think that's alright?
So.. infectious rat is basically a class specific version of infectious sporeling. Thoughts?
the thing with Lifewing is that your oponent knows you have lifewing on hand so it can be countered/played around, and your opponent can also keep track of the mana cost
Please explain both how the opponent knows its in hand and how they can play around it?!
skapista montecinos that’s what keeps it balanced, it’s a second Reno in any control deck in wild. BONKERS
@@purpleaki06 the "investment" key word. You have to play the card,at the very least, once to make it manageable cost(turn turn 10 for ten mana so it returns to your hand at 10 mana). You can play the card earlier than 10 of course to "invest" and reduce the cost over time. The moment you do, the opponent would know since it would be pointed out in the action bar and knowledge would tell you no other card can be played and do nothing.
You can play around it by using mirror entity when you think it's coming, pressure face to force opponent between investing lifewing or playing something else, or just killing him before he can invest enough mana into it.
@@MrTetrisz If you're a Warlock and he has few cards in hand and dumps an entire turn into Lifewing, you could play Demonic Project and stand a reasonable chance at hitting Lifewing and just straight up winning right there. Or in Wild you can hang onto a Dirty Rat if you can manipulate his hand into being small enough to stand a good chance at pulling out the Lifewing that way.
Trump should really make some own custom cards. That would make for some awesome content!
I recall way back when (like 2+ years ago) in a stream Q&A someone asked Trump to come up with a card and he immediately came up with "Trump-o", a neutral 4 mana 2-2 with battlecry: draw a card and deathrattle: draw a card. Even going off the absurd power levels in HS today that seems a little OP.
Battenberg91 design 2 stars balance 2 stars
I think project chimera can be salvaged with the word fused . The end of your turn the monster will fuse with the right most minion. That means play order and they cant fuse again after they fused
Chimera could say something like "Your minions with no tribe gain all tribes", maybe? I'm not sure if you could make a stupid deck out of non-tribed tribal payoffs like Houndmaster, but if not it'd be trading off flexibility in one dimension (spells) for flexibility in another (more minions to include)
Project chimera is so broken but the variety of decks that could come out of it would be fun to see
No it wouldn’t, the only cards that would be different from class to class are class minions...
project chimera may be broken, but just the thought of magnetizing zilliax to a beast just sounds amazing!
Damn it's funny to see infectious rat actually get printed in 2020 as infectious sporeling for druid
You could just make the 6/6 start of game battle-cry. This prevents aggressive openings and you need to find the card. If this is not enough you could make it a legendary spell that costs upwards to 6 mana: if you have no other spells the tribe tag of all monsters becomes all.
Project Chimera:
Actually, it's easily salvageable. Give each tribe one other tribe.
It can either be a cycle, or a pair.
For example:
Machines are also totem and vice versa
Dragons are also Beast and vice versa
Murloc are also Pirate and vice versa
Demons are also elemental and vice versa
(It just happens that we have 8, so easily 4 pairs)
Alternatively:
Totems are machines are dragons are beasts are murlocs are pirates are demons are elementals are totems (have fun parsing) or something like that.
You can, therefore, play a dual tribe deck and the menagerie cards(in wild) would become better. But nothing excessively busted.
The text would simply say give every tribal card an extra tribe, with details on the mouse over details box.
Random assignments can work too, and that could even affect non-tribed cards. But that might cause more issues in execution.
1 page of explanation for one card poggers
Acaddmic espionage into 1 cost lifewing :O
Project Chimera is even more powerful now, turn 5 play scargill, play Alextraza, Malygos, or literally any 10 mana minion. Don’t forget all of these will also synergise with every tribe.
I don't see how anyone could look at Project Chimera and not immediately realise it's at the very least strong, if not nuts.
Olli Casey outside of hunter, is it even playable though?
Project Chimera seems fair to me, lacking ANY spells seems like a big handicap. Hunter would want things like kill command, flanking strike etc. priest would want buffs, mage would want burn etc. etc. I feel like a lack of spells in your entire deck is a pretty intense downside
could project kimera work as "if you only have neutral cards"
2:40 this card can be fixed by turning it into a 6 mana 3/4 (or 4/4) minion with a battlecry that does the same effect
Invest can get reduced to 1 mana if your math is right, it should be like minimum of 5 mana or something for this whole keyword
Project chimera would work if it said that your deck could have no minions. Then spell hunter could have fun with it
Hibernate seems pretty strong with hugger though. Seems like a bit of a problem as animal companion is part of the basic set
Would Chimera work if only your beasts became All (so anything else can synergize into them but not allowing cross synergy of mechs into murlocs and so on?). Would still be strong and deck defining but leave options for the opponent to react and maybe force hunters to have a Beast plus one more tribe for consistent strategy? The wording makes Deathstalker a non-issue anyway so it's only as bonkers as the minions would let it.
Project CHimera would allow Mechwarper Mechwarper Summoning portal for nearly free minions
Project Chimera could be interesting, if it worked vice versa, putting a LIMIT on the total amount of minions you can have, i think. Then again, you can summon minions with some spells, but still could be interesting. Minions'tribe becomes "ALL" but you can put only, say, up to 8 in your deck.
All minions have tribe All sounds like it would be a fun concept for a Tavern Brawl.
Wouldn't king rastafin die immediately to hungry crab like Jaraxxus?
project chimera could be fixed by affecting the board instead of the deck
minions would get played as themselves and only when out in the board could be targeted by a houndmaster or aura effect, mech warper becomes balanced again and dragon synergies would go to waste but thats minor imo
I would say for project chimera, maybe your hero should start with 10 health as a max
Fix projec chimara by making the requirement if you dont have any tribes in your deck
Wait... Is gurubashi chicken a reference to that one chicken that was fused together with an ax im that 2d Disney knock off film?
I do like the keyword investiment. It is something blizzard make real.
It's called overload
For project chimera, what if it changed your hero power to 1/2 mana change a minions tag to all? Do you think it’s be within reason?
You can hibrinate queen carnessa and that would be pretty op in a fateuge hunter then
You can already Dire Frenzy your Queen Carnassa to both buff her on the board and get 3 more of her in the deck. Which in practice isn't even close to OP because Quest Hunter still sucks. Hunter would need a way to make more copies of Coldlight Oracle to make a decent fatigue deck, and since Dire Frenzy only works on Beasts, that's currently not an option.
Would there be a way to balance the Project Chimera effect on something like a 10 mana hero card? Something very late game value orientated rather than facerush destruction? I love the idea of the card but I can definitely see how broken it is atm.
Sister Svalna would like a word about your opinion on "Roll the Dice"
3:35 that card says shuffle AN old frog- you don’t get one of each, you don’t get one in your hand, you don’t get to discover the one you want then shuffle that it, nope, just one random big card. Yikes. Yeah I’d never play that.
If it was put in your hand, you could discover which one to shuffle in or you get all four put in to dilute your deck and be big slow cards as the drawback for getting access to all four then maybe
perhaps for project chimera it could be:
discover a(/2?) tribe. all of your minions also have this tribe
What's with all the MTG artworks????????????
I wonder what would happen if priest (through mind vision or cloning device) got their hands on a tree of life in wild and used an auchenai soul priestess first, who would be considered the winner?
For project chimera, i think its salvage-able if you turn it into something similar to keleseth with expensive mana cost (around 8-10 mana) While still having the same restriction and same effect
P.s. sorry if it may still be too op cuz im still new to hearthstone
10:50 the card is even more overpowered as he says. It reads "Your *minions'* tribe becomes ALL". Not "your tribe minions", all of your minions. Maybe it's intended to only work for tribe minions but as it reads it would work for all minions
Irrelevant, check the combo again
What? What does your tribe minions even refer to? Of course it means your minion’s tribe
idk when patches game out but it would be op with project chimera
I may just not understand the investment thing but isn't it just overload if you have to pay up the excess mana locking them out for the next turn.
You're not locking out mana the next turn, you're paying whatever mana you have this turn to reduce the cost. Think of it like playing any of the Forbidden cards from Whispers of the Old Gods, it uses up all of your remaining to do something based on how much mana you spent. This is pretty much the same thing, the only difference is the thing it's doing is reducing the cost of the card until it's 10 mana or less in cost so that you can actually put it on the board. And it's a special keyword to make that interaction more obvious.
isnt hibernate more of a druid thing, i know my druid used to cast hibernate back in the day in WoW and arent druids known for hibernating like we had to wake malfurion from his slumber in warcraft III campaign
Don't worry trump, I know how to fix Chimera:
Start of Game: Throw out your deck and replace it with a new one that is randomly generated amongst your collection. Your minions now have "All" as their tribe.
11:04 Star of game: If your deck only has odd cost unique minions, your minions' tribes is ALL.
I love that custom hearthstone always steals card art from magic. Like “oh I didn’t know tainted strike pictures a legendary frog old god.”
I don’t understand the Investment mechanic.
Is it like “at the end of your turn, while this is in your hand, spend any excess mana to reduce its cost?”
Is the Investment keyword tied to the text, or should it say “Investment. Battlecry: fully heal your hero?”
Does it only happen while the card is in your hand, or can you invest while it’s still in your deck?
If you have multiple Investment cards, are they all reduced together, or do you have to invest in them separately?
It seems very unclear I’m surprised Trump didn’t dock design points
Trump said in the video he thinks the creator just forgot to put in the Battlecry. Other than that though it's pretty easy to understand that you just play it to use up your remaining mana to reduce the cost of that card. Trump even explains it in the video.
Digiquo “you just play it to use up your remaining mana to reduce the cost of that card” is a super confusing sentence.
Play what? You can’t play a card if it costs more mana than you have. Is this an exception to that rule? If so, can you choose to reduce its cost instead of playing it in the case that you can already afford it?
Is it automatically happening at the end of your turn?
If this is as simple as you claim, I’m sorry for still not getting it. I appreciate everyone’s patience
9:45 Scargil, all minions become 1 cost
Project Chimera: rogue legendary: Start of game :if this is the only minion in your deck, your minions' have magnetic and their tribe becomes all, (academic espionage)
The first card’s art was from Magic the Gathering😂😂 It’s original name was “Seeker of the Way”
That's common in custom cards
Lots of mtg art
Project: Chimera - If your deck contains no other minions, your minions have ALL.
Hibernate OP in Quest Rogue
500 apm hibernate oondasta back as it overkills then plays itself
Compares lifewing to tree of life but not reno or even amara warden of hope
I LOVE investment. It would feel SO good to have inefficient mana turns feel better. Amazing mechanic, probably my favorite. It feels so skillful, when and when not to save your mana for investment.
I love the random mtg artwork that comes up.
Infectious Rat is broken as long as DS Rexxar exists. Discover that with bloated bat and bam
11:14
no spells and no tribeless minions?
You make a point about Whispers of the Old Frogs not evoking their old god predecessors, but what about C'thun and Mech'athun? Mech'athun's effect has nothing to do with C'thun
This is the main reason why I don't like Mech'athun, it's just some silly effect with no real deckbuilding restrictions, just make sure your deck, hand and board are devoid of anything when Mech'athun dies. In C'thun decks you had to include minions that would explicitly buff your C'thun to get off the (now extremely underwhelming) BATTLECRY. Mech'athun is a DEATHRATTLE minion who doesn't force you to really do anything with your deck, you can just include him to use as a last resort if you somehow don't win earlier. Sure you can build your deck in a way that makes it easier to fulfill his deathrattle requirements, but it has no direct impact on the efficacy of his deathrattle.
I think at the very least, Mech'aThun should've been a Mech N'zoth instead, so at least there is some flavor from the Deathrattle effect being carried over.
Hibernate is quite good with Oondasta
"If you just remix any old gods, you'll get voted as a top card of customhearthstone"
Yep pretty much. There are just some types of cards that subreddit is totally in love with, in particular any kind of self referential or meta bullshit (which includes "tributes" to old cards no matter how well or badly designed they are, or hero cards no matter how badly designed they are, cards that generate cards that either generate more cards or just do something needlessly complex, or anything to do with illidan) and weird/stupid ways of achieving things you could do with normal wording, like "tearing cards in half" or "remove one word" or whatever.
edit: Hey that "The Card Dealer" managed to combine both #1 and #3 in my list! lol
King Rastafin
A finny time | hero power, passive
Whenever you summon a murloc, adapt it
Out of flavour expansion wise I realise but might make this a bit less of a pure RNG card
8:10, blue eyes toon dragon
I would love to see browl with ALL minions have ALL tribe.
Rename hibernate since it’s a Druid spell in WoW
Infectious Rat is literally a neutral card is AoO
Mad Chef should also restore 10 health if a frog or sheep dies
11:05 "Start of Game: If you have no minions in your deck, your minions' tribe becomes ALL" sounds like a plan.
EDIT: except for this minion ofc
I could actually get behind something like "Start of the Game: If you have no other minions in your deck, all minions you summon this game have the tribe all". Lets you get cool synergy, but you have to work for it, using spells that create minions.
Just make the minion a battlecry instead. Make it a lower cost, lower stated minion. Stops OP early game shenanigans while still giving you lots of late game options and combo potential.
@@Noobie2k7
Too minor, I mean menagerie synergy could still work, but having one copy of it would make it too unpredictable and having two copies creates "this is useless" moments. Unless you stat the creature more on curve, then it is no longer a gimmick, more of a bonus attached to your natural zoo deck. Not sure. It does open some strange combos with anyfin?
Start of the game: if your deck costs more than 45k dust, on turn 10 you win the game
Can you play lifewing on turn 1?
No
"I don't know what you were thinking, custom hearthstone reddit"
oh, just the usual custom hearthstone reddit things
OLD GODS CARD!!! ME UPVOTE
CARD THAT PRODUCES FOUR OTHER CARDS!!! ME UPVOTE
LEGENDARIES!!! ME UPVOTE
I wrote the comment like 5 minutes into the video and then like 2 cards later is a custom hero that shuffles unique legendary cards into your deck. the custom hearthstone community sucks at designing cards.
oh my god the NEXT CARD AFTER THAT IS A LEGENDARY THAT MAKES ONE OF FOUR RANDOM LEGENDARIES
CUSTOM HEARTHSTONE STOP DESIGNING THIS SAME ONE CARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN YOU'RE SO BAD AT MAKING LEGENDARIES WITH INTERESTING EFFECTS
I get what you're saying but i think a lot of people like value over time card that allow them to play late game. Dont need to be a dick about saying it tho
@@SuperUnunquadium well atleast people realized that their card design is stupid beside themselves
infectious rat will scary if it is found in build a beast
They should change it to infectious ghoul and change the picture, and make it not a beast. That makes more sense anyway.. since why would getting bitten by a rat turn you into a rat?
"Investment" could've been explained a bit better by the author. For example it could be "While this is in your hand, unused mana crystals are subtracted from its cost" in the form of an end of turn effect. If you have multiple "Investment" cards in your hand the mana could be evenly spread or randomly dumped in a single card. Very cool effect anyways
Nope, that works differently with multiple Investment cards in your hand
@@xSnowdrift Yeah I just realized that the way I worded it changes the effect when you have multiple cards in your hand. It becomes an RNG effect but the author clearly wanted the player to choose the card to discount. Didn't realize that up until now
Yeah I didn't understand it from the tag. Was not explained well at all. Also an RNG effect would work fine for what does seem like a busted mechanic.
@@andersonanderson1009 "Investment" cards can only be used against midrange and control. You don't have the time to play it vs aggro. A mechanic that is completly useless vs the most popular decks in ladder doesn't sound that busted.
There is also other chickens 1 more exactly
10:00 Sweet degenerate matter. I laughed out loud at that bit of doomy theorycrafting.
What if the ALL tag was only given to minion in the condition that your deck has only spells. And it could be run in the expansion that introduces neutral spells to slow down games a bit.
And how exactly would that be usefull? This card is only usefull for the tribe synergies but not a single minion that gets summoned trough a spell has it.
@@baldawen use it in something like treant druid or a spell beast hunter. I'm sure it would get more support wherever it was
@@clavigerai1766 So, the card would be completly useless right now then? Then it can be a 6 mana 6/6 with the effect of "Give all Assassins +2/+2". I'm sure it would get more support later when the Assassin tribe gets introduced. :^)
P.S. Spell Hunter with a Minion lul
@@baldawen The point is that minions or tokens you generate have the ALL tribe. Think dire frenzy, or secret paladin shenanigans. Very easy to design cards like neutral spells that support this kind of deck type
CLAVIGER AI I got it man. You want a card that’s useless as it is because it has no support currently in this game. If you think that’s how you design cards - fine. I don’t really want to argue about that.
Is Project Chimera really that broken?
Yeah, it is. It would be a tier 0 deck, and everyone would want to quit Hearthstone.
Step One: Project Chimera
Step Two: Mechwarper x2
Step 3: Hunting Mastiff
Or any echo card, really.
goin thru these old videos again and am I the only one salty trumps reasoning Chimera is broken is "if you draw this exact set of 8 cards back to back in a perfrct curve its crazy!!?"
like dont get me wrong the synergies probably make it too good to print but "oh if you manage to draw a perfect curve for 7 turns straight its opop!!" is such bullshit. any deck is op if you draw a perfect curve for ***7 turns***.
7:20, yeah, i agree. It's quite *fin*icy
can someone link me that Fr'shoorg art ?
How does one become a resident of value town Mr. Mayor?
however is tree of life even relevant now adays with OTK's everywhere when they really weren't when it was printed