I use Moon Bunny on Consolation instead of Laia. That way you can run a dmg arti on Straze to lower the gear requirement or meet the spd if that's what you need. She also has team imprint. You can also build 250 ER if you have the gear and then have Doctor's if you want to get rid of the spd down, and that way no limited arti involved. You do lose on the green bait but that can always be your 4th pick. Anyways, all that to say there definitely are ways to get around the +30 Tatchi and Laia requirements. Thanks for the vid btw, was very fun !
Try ml Landy with protection set and bastion of perlutia, bbk on rage torrent in the back, briseria with immunity set and a random mage holding book (could be bromann with immunity set, faster than briseria for atywin teams)
The team is very primitive, there are many units that can be replaced to make it easier or faster. Ditch the Nahk, go Judge Kise for anti-counter and a chance to def break. You can ditch Laia for any CR pushing weaver with high ER and Sole Consolation. You can ditch the Opsig for something that does more damage, like Cdom (if no Belian), or Luna/Giselle, etc. You can replace Straze with any other hard-hitting DPS, it’ll get the job done. A mage would be preferable so that you can SB with your opener or one of your DPS. Def breaking will make your life easier, as long as it lands, anyways.
Cdom in place of Opsig is a great idea actually, she can OS even a 2k def BMH (if such abomination even exist) with atk buff and the gear req is much lower. Can run Bdom for that atk buff and push up, cleanse isn't really needed since it's just slow(I needed cleanse just for tachi procc)
If you can make 250, or even 240 straze/opsig it should be fine, the offensive stats needed for them to kill also isn't that high. Especially if the flex pick holding WarHorn+ Atk% imprint. As long as you have the components you should be able to replicate it pretty easily Tho I do recommend playing around my spd if possible cause there are some maniacs with 240 Senya lol, but you won't meet them that often
So, in order to cleave the current broken Arena comps, you either need broken units or make some units broken by having broken gears. Either way, newbies like me have no chance 😑 Btw, how much ES does your Straze have? My best unit has 592, of course without wasted stats, so I wanna know how far I am from making my unit "godly" XD
Yes Tbh I don't really get the whole ES GS thing, it gets really iffy since heroes like Opsig and Straze favor flat atks(albeit only base roll) which translate poorly to the whole ES GS thing and being spd DPS, sometimes having more speed is better than few hundreds atk. To me as long as the final stats looks good it's good enough. This might be a bit of a hot take of mine, but I think ES GS only matters when we are talking turn 2/bruisers heroes, since you want to optimise their stats. When it comes to cleave heroes all that matters is having enough speed and enough damage to kill your target. Sure you can min max them for better result and safer cleave, but why bother chasing 100k damage when 40k already virtually kills anything under the sun(well without mit anyway) once you get past a certain point on the atk/cdmg/cc needed to reliably kill, all that matters is speed and fk all stats for cleave. So, yeah having tons of speed compared to others while also able to reliably kills is what I considered godly when it comes to heroes like this. If it's omega fast but fail to kill it's target half the time it's trash, if it has a pocket nuke but can't even move to use it, it's trash. They need to move and they need to kill simple as that I wonder if I worded that in an understandable way lel
@@kiln dude, your Straze has what? 270 spd while still has 3.6k ATK, 100% Cr + 300 CDmg? Even if Necklace, Ring, and Boots have flat bonus ATK, they must still be very high on ES, like 95+ if not more. The rest I can only guess like 100+ with all right stats? Still, I'm not even sure whether it's possible or not to get your Straze's stats with less than 600 ES.
587 total, told you es isnt that important, 3 are 100+ the rest are 95 and below. The chest is literally only 20 spd and the rest rolled defense with max base cc and cdmg
@@baohungle5410 his straze has 2 crafted event pieces, thats 103 for the helmet and most likely 99 for the ring. Everyone has currently access to it, some even twice if they did the event last year. My Straze is at 3,8k atk, 280 crit damage, 270 speed with 2 purple pieces so don't act its not possible to get a 250-260 straze with good damage. Average speed per piece for 266 is 17 speed, for 261 its 16 speed and so on. I would be impressed by a 280 Straze, but 260-270 is achievable for anyone who spends most of the energy for w13
@@asoca1337 so it's 2 perfect pieces from the event that might happen once a year. I didn't act like it's impossible to achieve bro. I just assumed it's extremely hard, especially for newer players like me. Anyway, now I know what to aim for. Thank guys!
That...would be hard, tbf this kind of team can be quite weak to bruisers as long as you can take care of the Jenua, for example something like DDR+mit and healer This is just one of the options for cleavers who can't outspeed Sea PP reliably like me
Healer que empuje con 250+ ER en el arti de Luluca de Verano (ya viene su banner). Después de eso podrías usar a Roana si hay muchos counters, y si no pues alguien cómo Ran, Judge Kise, Briseria, etc. Para matar a Jenua perfectamente podrías usar un lo que dije al principio + Peira con stats de DPS (ahorita está su banner, creo).
You don't really have to worry about it, Senya BMH Jenua Poli team does no damage on first turn to a tanky team, Jenua only gets dangerous on 2nd turn where he will use S1 to get atk buff, and the other 2 are only dangerous after Jenua is hit below 50%/someone died, otherwise they do no damage, if you can control the Jenua and injure the other 2 they pose 0 threat but it is quite slow so I don't really like it
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Step 1: Have 2 specific ML5, a limited hero and +30 super limited collab artifact
I use Moon Bunny on Consolation instead of Laia. That way you can run a dmg arti on Straze to lower the gear requirement or meet the spd if that's what you need. She also has team imprint. You can also build 250 ER if you have the gear and then have Doctor's if you want to get rid of the spd down, and that way no limited arti involved. You do lose on the green bait but that can always be your 4th pick. Anyways, all that to say there definitely are ways to get around the +30 Tatchi and Laia requirements.
Thanks for the vid btw, was very fun !
Ohh that's a good idea, yeah definitely would lower the requirement a lot
Step 2: OUTSPEED
But I didn't!
@@kiln Your Nakh did
meta arena is literally a bride, a groom, a ghost, and a tired dude. everytime i refresh, i always see these
They had me sweating in the first half not gonna lie
Senya, , Seaphantom, Jenua. Who's the 2nd slot?
@@shellyband-aid9221Blood Moon Haste
@@shellyband-aid9221senya, ml haste, solitis, jenua
@@shellyband-aid9221 probably bm haste because his white suit looks like a wedding outfit lol
I was very happy about pulling MLSenya, but I was happier to know OPSigret is viable now with all these barrier units.
Book Nahkwol my beloved, truly the Neutralizing gas of E7
This vid just saved my mental about this arena meta because I hated trying to deal with this comp 😂
Politis + Jack O, straze and summer Iseria 😉
try zio+blidica cleave since there are some politis in 310+ and your opener is not always going to play before jenua
Try ml Landy with protection set and bastion of perlutia, bbk on rage torrent in the back, briseria with immunity set and a random mage holding book (could be bromann with immunity set, faster than briseria for atywin teams)
I would...IF I HAD ONE! T_T
I also made a non outspeed cleave for that with Alena, Eda, Politis, Seaseria but I accidentally deleted the clips lel
I had found my comp, but it required to outspeed and that is not always possible on higher champ. I'll definitely check this out. Thanks, pal!
I don't have staze or opsig any recommended for replace them?
if you have no straze and op sigret you can replace the game 😉
CDom can outdamage BMHastw shield aa good as OPSigret.
Anything with bride, i do corvus, anything with haste i do doris, if jenua,solitis,and karina on my list, i skip
When the title said "without out speeding", but Nahkwol continue to out speed in most matches. So the answer is NO.
The speed tune is for ml politis opener my guy...
Other than that you can outspeed them.
next time before you write a comment, use your brain first
For slow people... Look again full ML5s.
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Well the only thing is that i dont have op sig. Is arunka a good replacement?
Not really, though arunka is good against barrier, but only if
- squishy target + thick/thin barrier
- tanky target + thin barrier
I'm pretty damn sure the most cracked Arunka can't deal 30k+ to BMH (his barrier is around 8-10k last time i inverted it with Ningning)
So, no!
The team is very primitive, there are many units that can be replaced to make it easier or faster.
Ditch the Nahk, go Judge Kise for anti-counter and a chance to def break. You can ditch Laia for any CR pushing weaver with high ER and Sole Consolation. You can ditch the Opsig for something that does more damage, like Cdom (if no Belian), or Luna/Giselle, etc. You can replace Straze with any other hard-hitting DPS, it’ll get the job done. A mage would be preferable so that you can SB with your opener or one of your DPS.
Def breaking will make your life easier, as long as it lands, anyways.
Cdom in place of Opsig is a great idea actually, she can OS even a 2k def BMH (if such abomination even exist) with atk buff and the gear req is much lower. Can run Bdom for that atk buff and push up, cleanse isn't really needed since it's just slow(I needed cleanse just for tachi procc)
Me too
I actually have all the heroes and artifacts. But oh well gears is a huge problem
If you can make 250, or even 240 straze/opsig it should be fine, the offensive stats needed for them to kill also isn't that high. Especially if the flex pick holding WarHorn+ Atk% imprint. As long as you have the components you should be able to replicate it pretty easily
Tho I do recommend playing around my spd if possible cause there are some maniacs with 240 Senya lol, but you won't meet them that often
So, in order to cleave the current broken Arena comps, you either need broken units or make some units broken by having broken gears.
Either way, newbies like me have no chance 😑
Btw, how much ES does your Straze have?
My best unit has 592, of course without wasted stats, so I wanna know how far I am from making my unit "godly" XD
Yes
Tbh I don't really get the whole ES GS thing, it gets really iffy since heroes like Opsig and Straze favor flat atks(albeit only base roll) which translate poorly to the whole ES GS thing and being spd DPS, sometimes having more speed is better than few hundreds atk. To me as long as the final stats looks good it's good enough.
This might be a bit of a hot take of mine, but I think ES GS only matters when we are talking turn 2/bruisers heroes, since you want to optimise their stats. When it comes to cleave heroes all that matters is having enough speed and enough damage to kill your target. Sure you can min max them for better result and safer cleave, but why bother chasing 100k damage when 40k already virtually kills anything under the sun(well without mit anyway) once you get past a certain point on the atk/cdmg/cc needed to reliably kill, all that matters is speed and fk all stats for cleave. So, yeah having tons of speed compared to others while also able to reliably kills is what I considered godly when it comes to heroes like this. If it's omega fast but fail to kill it's target half the time it's trash, if it has a pocket nuke but can't even move to use it, it's trash. They need to move and they need to kill simple as that
I wonder if I worded that in an understandable way lel
@@kiln dude, your Straze has what? 270 spd while still has 3.6k ATK, 100% Cr + 300 CDmg?
Even if Necklace, Ring, and Boots have flat bonus ATK, they must still be very high on ES, like 95+ if not more.
The rest I can only guess like 100+ with all right stats?
Still, I'm not even sure whether it's possible or not to get your Straze's stats with less than 600 ES.
587 total, told you es isnt that important, 3 are 100+ the rest are 95 and below. The chest is literally only 20 spd and the rest rolled defense with max base cc and cdmg
@@baohungle5410 his straze has 2 crafted event pieces, thats 103 for the helmet and most likely 99 for the ring. Everyone has currently access to it, some even twice if they did the event last year. My Straze is at 3,8k atk, 280 crit damage, 270 speed with 2 purple pieces so don't act its not possible to get a 250-260 straze with good damage. Average speed per piece for 266 is 17 speed, for 261 its 16 speed and so on. I would be impressed by a 280 Straze, but 260-270 is achievable for anyone who spends most of the energy for w13
@@asoca1337 so it's 2 perfect pieces from the event that might happen once a year.
I didn't act like it's impossible to achieve bro.
I just assumed it's extremely hard, especially for newer players like me.
Anyway, now I know what to aim for. Thank guys!
Step 1: have god gear💀
i can't wait till these units are not meta anymore but for now lets just endure
how the f that ml sigret s2 do too much damage than its s3
Penetrates 100% defense against barriers
¿No tengo casi mls y menos a straze,como hago? Y ni mucha velocidad
That...would be hard, tbf this kind of team can be quite weak to bruisers as long as you can take care of the Jenua, for example something like DDR+mit and healer
This is just one of the options for cleavers who can't outspeed Sea PP reliably like me
Healer que empuje con 250+ ER en el arti de Luluca de Verano (ya viene su banner).
Después de eso podrías usar a Roana si hay muchos counters, y si no pues alguien cómo Ran, Judge Kise, Briseria, etc.
Para matar a Jenua perfectamente podrías usar un lo que dije al principio + Peira con stats de DPS (ahorita está su banner, creo).
@@choo4033 lo intentare, gracias
@@kiln pero politis reduce a todos, asi que ddr no serviría y no tengo curadores que aumente presteza
You don't really have to worry about it, Senya BMH Jenua Poli team does no damage on first turn to a tanky team, Jenua only gets dangerous on 2nd turn where he will use S1 to get atk buff, and the other 2 are only dangerous after Jenua is hit below 50%/someone died, otherwise they do no damage, if you can control the Jenua and injure the other 2 they pose 0 threat but it is quite slow so I don't really like it