The Titans being the Forgotten Ones makes sense. I just remembered Solas turning people into stone at the end of Trespasser, and now Harding (a dwarf) apparently getting that power, both associable with Titans. And Solas would walk among the Forgotten Ones with the latters thinking he was one of them... Titans made of stone.
And if Solas blocked both type of gods in their own respective places, if the veil is torn, not only the Evanuris come back, but also the Titans. I suppose the veil was created to separate the Evanuris from the Titans, the spirits (Evanuris) from the material world (the Titans)
You have put all the theories I have been mulling over in one cohesive video! Reading all the codex entries about red lyrium and regular lyrium has led me to believe the Titans are the forgotten ones.
Didn't Sandal occasionally get a touch prophetic/wise? Could Sandal be a dwarf who still has links to the titans? There's a lot of possible implications there. Were all dwarfs like Sandal once? Do his issues stem from having trouble processing reality AND the titan at the same time? Is this why he instinctively understands runes? There's some strong evidence to support this. I forget the exact scenes, but at least twice Sandal survives threats that should have flattened him, and all he says is 'Not Enchantment!' (I think) about an ogre he turned to stone, just like Solas does to the Qunari in Inquisition.
Here's a wild take, maybe the 'scaled ones' were normal elves locked away/stuck when the forgotten ones were sealed in the abyss and somehow corrupted and changed over time and could be linked to the profane... Or maybe I just really want them to be introduced/expanded on and I'm just reaching
This is such an interesting video - and you have a great voice for it, by the way. You could do audiobooks. One thing that I think it quite interesting is that in the Nordic folklore that LotR was based on (and thus, even accidentally, things that are inspired by it), elves and dwarves are the same thing. Initially you had light elves (Ljósálfar) who lived in the forest and dark elves (Dökkálfar) that lived in caves. All elves had beards, contrary to what we think of elves now. Over time, in folklore, the light elves were increasingly depicted as clean-shaven as they were associated with youth and beauty, whereas the the dark elves kept their beards and were depicted as more rough-hewn and crude. And as time moved on, they became seen as two different things; the forest-dwelling, pretty light elves and the more basic and stoic people that lived underground - bearded, of course.
Interesting!! For awhile I was tossing around the idea that they sort of came from the same place, but didn't have much to go on, so this is really cool!
Awesome video. Another aspect I would look into is the banter between solas/sera and solas/cole. When solas speaks to sera he suggests she tries military tactics, weakening the aristocracy, repositioning forces or removing those who don’t have the same goals, hiring those to do ugly work. When bantering with Cole, Cole tells solas “they’re not gone as long as you remember them” and he can “let them go” and that “he didn’t do it to be right but to save them”. When you think about it, if the evanuris were the bad guys then what were the forgotten ones? I’m thinking the forgotten ones were like solas and opposed the evanuris. However they all had different goals end game wise and as a result solas sealed them with them away along with the evanuris.
Ok, I'm new to dragon age. Recently played inquisition by the first time. Fell in love with the lore, and TH-cam recommend me you. And I'm glad it did. Your video was simply amazing, thank you for all that info. May be a theory, but it's an theory I'll defend.
I still think that The Forgotten Ones are actually The Old Gods. To me Anaris, Daern’thal and Geldauran don’t sound Dwarven and the note Geldauran’s Claim sounds more like how I would expect an Old God to think. The Titians seem to have had a telepathic connection to the Dwarves, a hive mind, so I don’t see them being so individualistic in their thinking. My theory is that the initial war waged by the elves that made the Evanuris become worshiped as gods was against The Titans. The Evanuris then later imprisoned The Old Gods in the corpses of The Titans, rather than it being The Maker. This to me fits with why their prisons are described as so unnerving, as it’s inside a dead being. Perhaps it was even Solas who imprisoned The Old Gods, fitting with the Dalish legend. Either way I think the defeat of The Titans has to have happened before Solas’s rebellion, as it seems mining them for Lyrium is likely was gave The Evanuris so much power. It might also explain The Blight. Maybe The Blight was due to the decaying bodies of dead Titans.
There are *seven* Old Gods and there are seven Evanuris. Only two aren't dead yet and we are fighting two Evanuris in Veilguard, while there are only three Forgotten Ones ever mentioned in the lore.
Red lyrium isn't the only type of lyrium that causes madness exposure to regular lyrium is also bad. Lyrium is made of Titans then if Titans are the void armor made of the void could just be regular lyrium. I love this theory btw! Great video as always!
what if the evanuris created the blight/ old gods and needed to blight a titan in order to gain the calling effect. this could be why Solas locked both away.
@@MammothMorals I think the blight could have been a weapon against the enemies of the Evanuris. They used the titans blood to controll their slaves (the lyrium markings like Fenris had) but the titans corrupted it to fight back. Maybe it was intentional or an accident or done by the Evanuris?
@@designlover945 hasn't veilguard all but confirmed the evanuris at the very least modifying and using the blight for their own good if not creating it?
@@MammothMorals Yes, I think they created it but how do the blights and the titans play into this? I´m sorry my english isn´t that good. Maybe I didn´t understand correct 🤔
@designlover945 the lights only started after the magisters went into the fade so they must have done something to set it off. perhaps the blights were a conquering method for the evanuris and now they happen without anyone in control or something? as for the titans, they seem to have a link to the blight as they both have some kind of song/ hive mind to those that are connected to them. maybe the titans are the original source of the blight.
I am cooking my own theory video about "Solas' real plan" in DA TV. In the last phases of editing right now. Further goes into the idea of spirit on spirit possession we talked about before.
What I think was hinted in the games: The forgotten ones are the old demons. The Evanures bound them into the high dragon bodies making them the archdemons and controlling them via blite. Solas could walk among them because he carries a pride demon inside of him.
Andruil is a REAL PROBLEM. 😂 Girl also brought miss Gil Monster Maker into the fold too! I am honestly a little bummed she isn’t one of the gods we fight, but mayybeeeee!
Andruil is definitely one of those toxic girls who post “if you can’t handle me at my worst, you don’t deserve me at my best” lol, yup Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss And as you pointed out, she also seems to have groomed Ghil’anain for some kind of toxic relationship… but this, it would appear, is what ultimately did her in in the end, as when you look at Ghil’s model in the videos we’ve seen so far it looks an awful lot like her “torso section” has TWO bodies fused together. So, they really were together forever ❤❤❤ 😂
My theory: the “blade” forged by Fen’Harel in Merrill’s story is the blight (perhaps the idol/ritual dagger) and the source of both the blight of the elven gods (dark spawn) and the blighted titans (red lyrium)
The forgotten ones could also be the old gods as dragons ruled the skies pre veil and the sun cast down could be dumat the leader of the old gods which also explains why Solas is angry about Grey Wardens wanting to hunt them down. Their prisons could be made by titans somehow, maybe red lyrium in general
This theory is interesting, but I don't think it's it. The dwarves would have to have individual consciousness in order to have names when they were bound to Titan. Not to mention that the collective would know everything an individual does. But Felassan's story and the Hakkon codex speak of individuals. They have names and free will. That's why I prefer a race that we basically know nothing about. Whose murals we see. But will it be them? I also think not... The Forgotten Ones are quite a mystery.
Great Video! Loved it, and it got me thinking. . . I had chatGPT scrape all DA lore across the games, dlc, and other media (podcasts, comics, novels, etc...) and it gave your theory a 30-40% chance of being right. I then asked if the Forgotten Ones may be the cause of Red Lyrium and the resulting corruption and got 60-70% chance. When I reminded chatGPT about Andruil returning from hunts with madness, it increased to 70-80% "The updated probability (70-80%) that the Forgotten Ones are the cause of Red Lyrium is now much higher than the chance that the Forgotten Ones are Titans (still at 30-40%). This is because the new information about Andruil’s madness adds further evidence of corruptive forces linked to the Forgotten Ones, whereas the Titans seem to have a more neutral or protective role, not inherently malevolent like the Forgotten Ones." I then pasted your transcript in for a final tally: "Revised Probability: Forgotten Ones as the cause of Red Lyrium: 75-85% (up from 70-80%). Forgotten Ones being the Titans: 40-50% (up from 30-40%), given the suggestion of Titans as avatars or a possible link between them and the Forgotten Ones." Of course, what does chatGPT know? Every query sits above the comment: "ChatGPT can make mistakes. Check important info."
@girltriesgames if look at the lore enough, it's all but explicitly stated. The lights around the dread wolf that represent the evanuris. All but 2 are out, there are 8 evanuris (-1 for Mythal). There are 7 old gods, there have been 5 blights already. The blighted lyrium and the evanuris connections. I've been calling this since origins. Bertram Inquisition and trespassers, it's all but confirmed. Im just waiting till someone uploads the "movie" so I can get the gist of the story since I'm not buying it.
What's your favorite Forgotten Ones theory?
The Titans being the Forgotten Ones makes sense. I just remembered Solas turning people into stone at the end of Trespasser, and now Harding (a dwarf) apparently getting that power, both associable with Titans. And Solas would walk among the Forgotten Ones with the latters thinking he was one of them... Titans made of stone.
And if Solas blocked both type of gods in their own respective places, if the veil is torn, not only the Evanuris come back, but also the Titans. I suppose the veil was created to separate the Evanuris from the Titans, the spirits (Evanuris) from the material world (the Titans)
@@valp3466 REALLY good point! I wish I thought to put this in the video! 😂
I find it amazing that your theories were all mostly correct. Very well done.
BABE WAKE UP! GTG POSTED A NEW THEORY VIDEO!
You have put all the theories I have been mulling over in one cohesive video! Reading all the codex entries about red lyrium and regular lyrium has led me to believe the Titans are the forgotten ones.
Didn't Sandal occasionally get a touch prophetic/wise? Could Sandal be a dwarf who still has links to the titans? There's a lot of possible implications there. Were all dwarfs like Sandal once? Do his issues stem from having trouble processing reality AND the titan at the same time? Is this why he instinctively understands runes? There's some strong evidence to support this. I forget the exact scenes, but at least twice Sandal survives threats that should have flattened him, and all he says is 'Not Enchantment!' (I think) about an ogre he turned to stone, just like Solas does to the Qunari in Inquisition.
Yes! And at the end of Origins he's just there amidst a pile of corpses 😂
Holy crap, you've cracked the code!!!
Here's a wild take, maybe the 'scaled ones' were normal elves locked away/stuck when the forgotten ones were sealed in the abyss and somehow corrupted and changed over time and could be linked to the profane... Or maybe I just really want them to be introduced/expanded on and I'm just reaching
I also desperately want the scaled ones to be addressed lol so I approve of this theory
Yes, I also really hope we learn more!
This is such an interesting video - and you have a great voice for it, by the way. You could do audiobooks. One thing that I think it quite interesting is that in the Nordic folklore that LotR was based on (and thus, even accidentally, things that are inspired by it), elves and dwarves are the same thing. Initially you had light elves (Ljósálfar) who lived in the forest and dark elves (Dökkálfar) that lived in caves. All elves had beards, contrary to what we think of elves now. Over time, in folklore, the light elves were increasingly depicted as clean-shaven as they were associated with youth and beauty, whereas the the dark elves kept their beards and were depicted as more rough-hewn and crude. And as time moved on, they became seen as two different things; the forest-dwelling, pretty light elves and the more basic and stoic people that lived underground - bearded, of course.
Interesting!! For awhile I was tossing around the idea that they sort of came from the same place, but didn't have much to go on, so this is really cool!
Awesome video. Another aspect I would look into is the banter between solas/sera and solas/cole. When solas speaks to sera he suggests she tries military tactics, weakening the aristocracy, repositioning forces or removing those who don’t have the same goals, hiring those to do ugly work. When bantering with Cole, Cole tells solas “they’re not gone as long as you remember them” and he can “let them go” and that “he didn’t do it to be right but to save them”.
When you think about it, if the evanuris were the bad guys then what were the forgotten ones? I’m thinking the forgotten ones were like solas and opposed the evanuris. However they all had different goals end game wise and as a result solas sealed them with them away along with the evanuris.
I agree!
I’m so happy you’re uploading again 🥹
Ok, I'm new to dragon age. Recently played inquisition by the first time. Fell in love with the lore, and TH-cam recommend me you.
And I'm glad it did. Your video was simply amazing, thank you for all that info. May be a theory, but it's an theory I'll defend.
Never stop making videos please!
I still think that The Forgotten Ones are actually The Old Gods. To me Anaris, Daern’thal and Geldauran don’t sound Dwarven and the note Geldauran’s Claim sounds more like how I would expect an Old God to think. The Titians seem to have had a telepathic connection to the Dwarves, a hive mind, so I don’t see them being so individualistic in their thinking. My theory is that the initial war waged by the elves that made the Evanuris become worshiped as gods was against The Titans. The Evanuris then later imprisoned The Old Gods in the corpses of The Titans, rather than it being The Maker. This to me fits with why their prisons are described as so unnerving, as it’s inside a dead being. Perhaps it was even Solas who imprisoned The Old Gods, fitting with the Dalish legend. Either way I think the defeat of The Titans has to have happened before Solas’s rebellion, as it seems mining them for Lyrium is likely was gave The Evanuris so much power. It might also explain The Blight. Maybe The Blight was due to the decaying bodies of dead Titans.
There are *seven* Old Gods and there are seven Evanuris. Only two aren't dead yet and we are fighting two Evanuris in Veilguard, while there are only three Forgotten Ones ever mentioned in the lore.
I could definitely see this being the case as well! I can't wait to find out!!!
Damn, half way through nail it
Been seeing your lore stuff fairly recently, but i'm amazed you're at this for a decade! Also, your theories are amazing keep it up!
lol I took a LONG break in between, but I'm re-obsessed now! 😅 Thank you!
Red lyrium isn't the only type of lyrium that causes madness exposure to regular lyrium is also bad. Lyrium is made of Titans then if Titans are the void armor made of the void could just be regular lyrium.
I love this theory btw! Great video as always!
Good point!
This is an insane theory backed up with some very plausible evidence. Damn this was good.
THE THUMBNAIL LMAO 🤣
Hope you do more vids before next thursday, seeing possible story direction here...
I'm trying to pump out as many as possible! I'm just REALLY slow at it! lol 😅😅
I fear you have cooked again 🌟
There's also that bit of Mythal giving the dwarfs dreams or something? Reminds me of what Architect tried doing to the darkspawn.
oooh yes, very interesting!! 🤔
Time to revisit this and fill in the gaps.
Love these videos
I always assumed the forgotten ones were just other elven mages who were powerful but didnt make the cut
Occam's Razor says this is probably true lol
I've never played as a dwarf. But now I want to create one...
I'm having such a hard time deciding!
SO
the lyrium has the song of the titans
red lyrium has the calling - soo blighted titans are similar to blighted old gods ...
I is confusion 😵💫
what if the evanuris created the blight/ old gods and needed to blight a titan in order to gain the calling effect. this could be why Solas locked both away.
@@MammothMorals I think the blight could have been a weapon against the enemies of the Evanuris. They used the titans blood to controll their slaves (the lyrium markings like Fenris had) but the titans corrupted it to fight back. Maybe it was intentional or an accident or done by the Evanuris?
@@designlover945 hasn't veilguard all but confirmed the evanuris at the very least modifying and using the blight for their own good if not creating it?
@@MammothMorals Yes, I think they created it but how do the blights and the titans play into this? I´m sorry my english isn´t that good. Maybe I didn´t understand correct 🤔
@designlover945 the lights only started after the magisters went into the fade so they must have done something to set it off. perhaps the blights were a conquering method for the evanuris and now they happen without anyone in control or something?
as for the titans, they seem to have a link to the blight as they both have some kind of song/ hive mind to those that are connected to them. maybe the titans are the original source of the blight.
Where is your character at 6:20 time stamp i don’t recognise it and that confuses me :)
Hissing Wastes
The footage was taken like 10 years ago lol, but I think it was in the Hissing Wastes! :)
@@girltriesgames thankyou amazing video btw as always !
We do need more dwarf lore 💜
The Dwarven people better not be forgotten again like in Dragon Age Inquisition
😂
I am cooking my own theory video about "Solas' real plan" in DA TV. In the last phases of editing right now.
Further goes into the idea of spirit on spirit possession we talked about before.
It's done. Spoilers Obviously. HUGE DA TV spoilers like Varrics fate after the trailer.
My mics not great. But I think you're gonna like the theory.
@@the-dark-side. Awesome! I'll check it out!
What I think was hinted in the games:
The forgotten ones are the old demons. The Evanures bound them into the high dragon bodies making them the archdemons and controlling them via blite. Solas could walk among them because he carries a pride demon inside of him.
There's a lot of evidence for this theory too! I can't wait to find out!
I just realized how similar the vir dithara is to the memories.
Oh yeah! I never thought about that either, but good point!
Andruil is a REAL PROBLEM. 😂 Girl also brought miss Gil Monster Maker into the fold too! I am honestly a little bummed she isn’t one of the gods we fight, but mayybeeeee!
Andruil is definitely one of those toxic girls who post “if you can’t handle me at my worst, you don’t deserve me at my best” lol, yup
Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss
And as you pointed out, she also seems to have groomed Ghil’anain for some kind of toxic relationship… but this, it would appear, is what ultimately did her in in the end, as when you look at Ghil’s model in the videos we’ve seen so far it looks an awful lot like her “torso section” has TWO bodies fused together. So, they really were together forever ❤❤❤ 😂
lol Right! I wish we could meet all of them!
@@mduckernz 😂
@@mduckernz YES 😭😂
My theory: the “blade” forged by Fen’Harel in Merrill’s story is the blight (perhaps the idol/ritual dagger) and the source of both the blight of the elven gods (dark spawn) and the blighted titans (red lyrium)
I think it's definitely possible!
The forgotten ones could also be the old gods as dragons ruled the skies pre veil and the sun cast down could be dumat the leader of the old gods which also explains why Solas is angry about Grey Wardens wanting to hunt them down. Their prisons could be made by titans somehow, maybe red lyrium in general
This is another really popular theory that I think has some weight! Sad I won't have time to make a video about this too... I can't wait to find out!
@@girltriesgames just a few more days left
This makes sense. Too much sense! lol
This theory is interesting, but I don't think it's it. The dwarves would have to have individual consciousness in order to have names when they were bound to Titan. Not to mention that the collective would know everything an individual does. But Felassan's story and the Hakkon codex speak of individuals. They have names and free will. That's why I prefer a race that we basically know nothing about. Whose murals we see. But will it be them? I also think not... The Forgotten Ones are quite a mystery.
LETS GO GTG
Seems to me like the elfa were thw tevinters of their time.
The people in charge of this amazing franchise are completely insane. RIP Dragon Age :*(
My favorite theory is Veilguard is terrible fan faction written by a drunk Varric.
Great Video! Loved it, and it got me thinking. . .
I had chatGPT scrape all DA lore across the games, dlc, and other media (podcasts, comics, novels, etc...) and it gave your theory a 30-40% chance of being right.
I then asked if the Forgotten Ones may be the cause of Red Lyrium and the resulting corruption and got 60-70% chance. When I reminded chatGPT about Andruil returning from hunts with madness, it increased to 70-80%
"The updated probability (70-80%) that the Forgotten Ones are the cause of Red Lyrium is now much higher than the chance that the Forgotten Ones are Titans (still at 30-40%). This is because the new information about Andruil’s madness adds further evidence of corruptive forces linked to the Forgotten Ones, whereas the Titans seem to have a more neutral or protective role, not inherently malevolent like the Forgotten Ones."
I then pasted your transcript in for a final tally:
"Revised Probability:
Forgotten Ones as the cause of Red Lyrium: 75-85% (up from 70-80%).
Forgotten Ones being the Titans: 40-50% (up from 30-40%), given the suggestion of Titans as avatars or a possible link between them and the Forgotten Ones."
Of course, what does chatGPT know? Every query sits above the comment: "ChatGPT can make mistakes. Check important info."
haha!! So cool!!
The true Forgotten Ones are the werewolves ;_;
@@payableondeath7 😂😂😂 so true
Whoever still thinks that the old gods are the forgotten ones are completely ignorant to the story at this point
We'll see!! I can't wait!
@girltriesgames if look at the lore enough, it's all but explicitly stated. The lights around the dread wolf that represent the evanuris. All but 2 are out, there are 8 evanuris (-1 for Mythal). There are 7 old gods, there have been 5 blights already. The blighted lyrium and the evanuris connections. I've been calling this since origins. Bertram Inquisition and trespassers, it's all but confirmed.
Im just waiting till someone uploads the "movie" so I can get the gist of the story since I'm not buying it.