An Oven That Cooks With A Camera | June Smart Oven REVIEW (Ep#2)
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Intro
1:02 Dimensions and overview
2:40 The cons of the touchscreen
3:22 The pros of connectivity
3:54 What makes an oven truly smart?
4:32 Cooking with a camera
4:52 About the app
5:24 Cooking with a thermometer
7:38 What do I think of this oven? (Conclusion)
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The creator of the June oven is an alumni of the same computer engineering college as me. He once did a guest seminar which I attended. He did at one point work at Apple and basically created the first handful of iphones camera system. Crazy you point out the Apple influence immediately. Also interesting why potentially the June oven has such focus on using a camera. And he seemed like genuine nice and cool guy.
This is a very valuable series. These ovens are not inconsequential purchases both in space and cost. Helping people to make the right choice by someone with a proven track record is appreciated. Looking forward to the third review.
Will you also review the Anova smart oven in this series? The ability to control humidity seems very interesting!
I hope that feature improves. I know from work experience that other big brands have this feature as new on some models but that it causes a lot of malfunctions.
Yes, please!! Incorporating the Anova into this series and getting Chris’ thoughts on combi ovens generally might be the best video he could do - nobody would be better suited for that task.
Yeah! I feel like the anova oven is similar to the June except it doesn't have a Camera
@@ryandbrimhall That's probably why he isn't looking at the Anova now. Combi ovens would warrant their own video or set of videos.
My thoughts exactly. I love my Anova oven
My GE microwave from 2005 finally crapped out. At first th-cam.com/users/postUgkxO_Bc204MGjxDl87cOKcdgaRhzSqGmv_g I was unsure because I was looking for something with the exact same features. Found it with this one. Interior space cavity was large, but the outside was smaller than my old one. I love the one-button push for 1-6 minutes, and the 30 second add or 30 second start. and MOST IMPORTANTLY, I love how you can adjust the power level during cooking. The reviews said it could not be done, but this marked all the other boxes. and happy to say, it does. I can hit 1 minute start, and change the power level from 10 to 5, 30 seconds in, without interruption. my favorite feature!
The more touch I see, the more I heart buttons.
A video on zojirushis "fuzzy logic" cooking technology could be interesting
Chris, as a longtime June Oven owner, I agree with everything you said here. It's indispensible to me at this stage, but it's hardly a hands-off cooking experience. Easier, yes. I think there are two things you left out here - first, the camera recognizing the food is pretty amazing and works well. Nothing else I know of does this. On the downside, keeping it clean is tough, especially with the heating elements exposed and fragile. My first unit came and the glass heating elements were shattered in transit. The company was great about a replacement and is very responsive. I wonder if June could integrate with the Combustion Thermometer more since both are app controlled. Thanks for a great review.
Yet another fantastic video Chris.
Love your thought out content, explanations and attention to detail in editing and overall quality.
Just wait till a software update bricks the operating system or if they follow Apple in deliberately making an old device feel worse because they want you to upgrade. 🤭
(Ref: Apple admits it deliberately slows down iPhones as they get older - 2017. Fined €25m in 2020)
Hopefully the appliance makers will hear you and see your thermometer for what it is and does. That should translate into integration opportunities, better appliances and of course more combustion thermometers in the wild with even more happy customers. Win, Win, Win.
Thanks, Chris. Great video. Awesome seeing you on this side of the camera!
I love the June’s ability to make good-enough salmon with near-zero effort. When my wife was pregnant, she wanted to eat salmon everyday to help the baby get more Omega-3. I can’t make causal claims about effects on the baby from N=1, but the June definitely saved us a bunch of time and guesswork.
Great review. Very helpful. Hopefully they listen and come up with a better convection design.
Thank you for the video, the information is valuable! Could you please review the Anova Precision Oven that does sous vide?
Unlike most devices, this looks like it is actually using the 'smart' features in substantive ways rather than just marketing. I have to admit I'm still extremely skeptical of the Internet-of-Crap, and I hope their security is better than what we can expect from most devices. I do wish it had analog controls instead of the touchscreen, especially since it seems redundant with the smartphone app. Touchscreens have their place, especially when well designed, but they don't belong everywhere, and tactile feedback is extremely useful. Not everything needs to be an iPhone.
by the way, you're absolutely right that it shouldnt take 3 taps to get to the temp controls. I hate that.
Hi Chris, loving the series and your wireless thermometer. I appreciated your talent since the old days of "In Search For Perfection." An absolute gem of a series still. TH-cam needs voices like you, Michael Polan and others.
However I have one criticism about this oven series. Perhaps in the name of consistency, could you please test the same 2 items in all the ovens? i.e. pizza and roast chicken.
This way it will be easier for viewers like me to tell them apart. For instance I wanted to know if the June would over-roast a chicken of same weight. But you made salmon instead. ☹️
4:58 That battery level is stressing me out
Is that a see-thru prototype, Joule on the top shelf? Very cool. I came so close to buying your thermometer this week. It's going to happen very soon. Anyway, you're a legend. The stuff on those shelves is representative of your work and culinary contributions. You're a very cool human being.
Good eye! Yes, that is a very early functional Joule prototype. We made it clear so we could visually inspect the seals.
@Chris Young super cool 😎
I wonder if they could add support for your thermometer in software later on 🤔
What about the Anova Sous Vide Oven smart then adds humidity for less than June.
0:46 the way he looks at the oven
My Farberware Turbo-Convection Oven finally started making an unusual fan sound. It was at least 23 years old and the best oven for my needs. It fit on my cabinet shelf which is 12" D X 24" W. It cost about $179.00 back then. It was perfect for my needs. I am having a very hard time finding something very similar that would fit on my size shelf. Also wondering if something can be repaired. Any suggestions?
criminal this review only has 17k views
Loving your content, one request for your non-American ad/or science/engineer minded viewers: Can you give us the metric equivalents of your measurements and temperatures please?
My GE oven has a camera inside. They say they are working on a similar capability, I think they used the example of knowing when brownies are done cooking. The problem is the camera view is not as good as what you show here. So I wonder if they can get enough information from the camera to have bacon vision.
Either way it’s cool that companies are working on this. Soon we will get dynamic cooking where the temperature changes during cooking instead of just sitting at one temperature for 2 hours. It could also switch between bake, broil, convection, and air fry.
Thanks for the video. I have some questions: how does the energy consumption compare to a conventional oven? ie, could it be helpful to have a countertop oven additional to a conventional one only to save energy? Also, Why did you test it on salmon this time? Couldn't you also have done the Chicken?
I choose both recipes because they were the top, flagship recipes promoted by each oven’s respective app. Saturday’s video will provide more of a head to head performance comparison.
As for energy consumption, it turns out both built-ins and countertops are similar. This is because the biggest source of heat loss-and thus increased power consumption-is actually water evaporating from your food. Depending on how much food you’re cooking, and how long you cook it for, up to 90% of every goes to evaporating water from the food as steam.
Do a video on rice cookers
Much as below would like to see YOUR review of the smart "combi" oven. Like mine don't adore it b/c unless there is a new firmware update, it's far TOO app based IMO.....sometimes you just want to toast a slice ya know. Also wont get hotter than 500, which you explained well in another vid is prob a 110 V AC/20amp bottleneck
Wow the Combustion predictive thermometer looks fantastic, except the $200 price tag. But this is new enough that $200 seems about right.
The app recommends cooking salmon sheet pan in center of oven, not on the bottom rack like you showed here
Chris, something you said confuses me. perhaps I misunderstand something about hitting the dead center of the food. You said the salmon cooked in the June oven was slightly overcooked (medium rather than medium rare) because the June thermometer wasn't quite at the dead center of the salmon. It seems to me that if the Juno is aiming for a certain temperature inside the food where the thermometer is placed, if the salmon hits that temp but the thermometer is not quite at dead center, then the dead center should be cooler, and the salmon slightly undercooked. Am I missing something?
Yes, that is a bit confusing. But was a bit of a long winded explanation. I believe the tip was actually angled slightly below center and the bottom of the fish was less cooked than the top since the program seems to rely on the top-elements to do most of the heating. So, upper part of fish more over cooked than lower part of fish.
@@ChrisYoungCooks Thanks Chris, that makes sense. It seems like the June Oven algorithm was part of the problem. Good reason to get your predictive thermometer, which I ordered a week ago! I'm looking forward to trying it out. Appreciate the personal response. Impressive.
I tried to find it and believe me I couldn't finds it anywhere
Too bad the june is only sold in merica. Would love to get my hands on one!
Yeah, the company seems dead since Weber bought them. It’s too bad.
I wish you showed the temperature stability and control of each oven. It’s really hard to find a non-steam oven with stable temperature and reliable indicators.
You’ll like Saturday’s video, where I show exactly these data
Why not roast a chicken in June to see how well it does? Apple to apples, not chicken in salmon.
Love the reviews. Please charge your phone 😬
I think one major item you missed in the review is cleaning of the ovens. I believe June allows the use of oven cleaning products making the cleaning much easier, where the others do not.
It’s a fair criticism. My review would be that they are equally a PIA because of the top and bottom heating elements.
@@ChrisYoungCooks having scrubbed my current breville drip pan etc for hours, I’m not sure that is 100%. Cleaning is certainly on of my new top tier concerns. Point taken on the elements though - still the rest of the oven surfaces (more so with air frying) become a big deal for cleaning. :)
@@michaelpaolini I find Oven Cleaner with lye is essential. Only way I was able to clean these ovens up for the videos. And if you look closely you’ll see residue around the heating elements in sone shots.
3 clicks to change temperature is really annoying. Hopefully they fix that.
As with my comment on the previous video, this oven has a massive glaring issue: data privacy. As cool as some of these features might be, and as good as updates to an appliance might be, I don't trust a company with data profiling. Remember how fitness trackers will scrape your data and _somehow_ that data ends up in the hands of insurance companies? It'll be the same situation here, except now for a whole household, based on oven data, network data, and data from a phone if it's ever connected to the same ecosystem; profiling users via psuedo-anonymous data isn't that hard. And considering everything passes through their own ecosystem of apps, it's not all that easy for a consumer to ensure their own data protection. There's still also the concern of abandonware, what happens when the company moves on or goes under, what happens when the apps eventually become prone to error, etc.; even better if the machine eventually becomes nonfunctional if it can't constantly ping the company's servers, y'know like we've seen with plenty of other live service software and hardware.
Again, as I said in my comment on the previous video, an appliance needs to be a closed ecosystem with no access to the outside world; and sure, having a phone app is convenient, but it should only really be a few pings or a few functions sent through host and device within a home network with no connection from either side to the outside world.. That doesn't mean higher tech standards or OTA updates can't exist, but the tech industry's need of data farming is to the point of being literal spyware baked in as normal services into everything. I'd rather not have my countertop oven reporting on what I cook, I'd rather not have a smart fridge reporting on what I buy and store; what's next, a smart stock pot that can report on how salty a soup is? We all know where this data ends up, and we all know how this data is used against consumers in this capitalist hellscape. Lack of data privacy always leads to ill intent, and we all know how data sells, 'free' services aren't free when they're driven by the revenue that data provides. Data farming is one of the most anti-consumer practices possible, yet it drives our modern capitalist hellscape, and your average person won't realize the implications of it, especially when it comes to more sensitive data like health metrics.
I agree the appliance has to work without the app. In 2019 I bought a treadmill with the ifit app capability. Worked great until January 2023. Ifit did a software update and rendered my treadmill useless. It took six months and $400 to resolve. I also have a litter-robot whose app capability failed this year. From watching TH-cam videos the litter-robot company updated to a software not compatible with my generation robot. So yeah, I'm very careful now when purchasing "smart" devices.
What you fail to mention, as revealed at the latest CES, is that the June oven is discontinued. The other issue to take note of, is the terrible reviews of their app, especially Android version, vs the Brava version.
Unfortunately the oven hasn’t been discontinued when I made this video.
@ChrisYoungCooks Hi Chris, Don't get me wrong, your insights and expertise are very much appreciated! And you did influence me towards the horribly expensive, but brilliant Brava Glass oven. Thank you!
The button presses/swipes to change the temp is certainly one of my least favorite things.
Right?!
So let me get this straight, they got rid of the dial on a 900 dollar toaster because it was too expensive?
👀 Just lurking in the comments, waiting for someone to say "Wet Bulb" into a mirror 3 times...
Don’t want to let that genie out of the bottle yet!
Ok, but what happens when June goes out of business? Am I left with a $900 brick? This is why I'll likely never buy an expensive IoT appliance.
June is owned by Weber, so a bit less of a risk. Also-and I should have made this more clear in the review-the app is optional and the oven works fine with no connectivity.
Phone or iPad app will control the cook settings also. temp and time of cook edits during a cycle can assist if needed but i usually trust the temp probe and data shown on my phone when unit is cooking in the other room
Can June be controlled by Alexa (and her kin)?
That's what "saves" Joule for me.
Since this was posted, June was acquired by Weber - which promptly killed it... because they don't produce indoor ovens. Guess we can't have real innovation.
Seems like it would've made sense to cook the same food in each video for a proper comparison.
Saturday's video will provide more of a side-by-side performance comparison. I choose these recipes because they are promoted as the flagship recipes by each oven's respective app.
@@ChrisYoungCooks Looking forward to it!
Your videos become much more enjoyable for me when I turn the speed up to 1.25x. I think that the tendency to speak slowly creeps in when the presentation is dense with information, but it also makes the content less engaging.
Reviewing…your…own product 🤔
That’s is a very expensive counter top oven. You can get your money’s worth and make it pay for itself if you cook with it for a month considering these messed up times in the economy.
PLEASE use metric.
The June Oven only works in North America which is absolutely absurd since it's not a new to market product. They had plenty time to adapt the product to 230V.
Massive and arrogant fail.
Did not know that. That’s a bummer.
@@ChrisYoungCooks Despite ChefSteps being bought by the Australian company Breville, the Joule is still not sold into Australia! (Breville instead sells its Hydropro, which incidentally does have a hyperdermic probe to insert--through a patch you place on the bag--into the food.)
Bro charge your phone
terribly overpriced and oversized for my small condo counters. if they made a mini june i'd be all in
first?
Do not buy their oven. They break every 2 years. We’ve gone through 3 replacement and now they are asking us to pay $450 w/ a 60 day warranty. They are neat while they last but they can’t repair them so instead the want you to buy a full replacement. DO NOT BUY. You have been warned.
I had to pause the video right away. I'm sure this will sound silly but saying if "Apple designed an oven it would probably look and work a lot like this" is an instant red flag. To me that means "It's an overpriced fashion statement, not a well designed product. It's entirely form over function." Now I'll watch the rest of the video to see how you review it.
Permanently mentioning your professions makes you look somewhat desperate and insecure…
Most viewers are new to the channel. I agree it’s annoying, but being able to keep doing these videos requires growing the channel and introducing myself has proven to be about twice as effective at adding subscribers. 🤷♂️