I found the "performance" by Gabe rude and disrespectful. Speaking over and trying to drown out the opposite side is not debate. Any valid arguments that he may have had were negated by his behavior. I felt that Ruslan did pretty well in trying to hold it together but could have been a bit firmer with Gabe.
When I first read the Bible I did not come out of it thinking the Church replaces the Jews. It's pretty clear to me when Paul talks about branches or about making Israel gelos.
@@duncescotus2342 Aha, well at the end you will see Christ in a resurrected jewish body. Can’t wait to see all your faces then, how will you react. Hating jews yet here He is, a jew, you have to bow down too.
It's not difficult to knock down a straw man argument, the early church was exclusively Jewish, the Israel within Israel were the true people of God from the start and in time the gentiles were added. 'replacement theology' is a caricature.
You did great in that Debate despite his misbehaviors for being disrespectful to you and to the scripture . Jesus is the king of Jews , and he came for the Jews first then to the gentile and there is nothing wrong with that . To everyone who read the Bible correctly they will go on your side God bless you brother .
@@kevinevans8892you was born as a gentile in a christian home is destiny from God. What if u were born as a jew in an ultra orthodox jewish home? They are born as jews is destiny from God. Do you think God makes mistake?
That “debate” was hard to watch. So much so, my 9 yo son was watching with me and randomly said of Gabe, “this guy is not a Christian”. He was dancing around questions, being rude and disrespectful and placed his willful ignorance and hardness of heart on full display. That was not a display of a man who has the love of God in him. We love you Dr. Brown and you did great but that discussion was beneath your intellect and maturity. I wish you would’ve know what you were walking into.
Because of God's grace we live, because of Jesus Savior we have salvation, to the jew first and to the gentile. The Lord Jesus Savior is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through him. God bless you Dr. Brown in the name of our Lord Jesus Savior.
Great job last night well done...Gabe is a stain on the Lord's garment...if he thought his behaviour glorified Jesus Wow.... rude arrogant disrespectful and a liar... pray for Gabe... Amen Doc🙏🙏🙏
I’m Jewish. I watched the debate . The other guy was appalling, rude and arrogant. I do thank Dr Michael brown for setting the record straight and defending my people standing with G-d.
To the First Madam Caller, I apologize for the disrespectful conduct shown by this man towards Dr. Brown, Ruslan, and your Jewish community on behalf of the Gentile believers. Please forgive us, as not all of us hold the same views and behaviors as this individual.
I am so looking forward to the debate with Steve Gregg as I genuinely love and appreciate both of these men. I trust it will be fruitful. Well, there is so much to be said. I will simply state this. "replacement theology has led to the shedding of Jewish blood". personally, not a fan of the term "replacement theology". I much prefer "fulfillment theology", and yes, I hold to it. It sickens me to think that this may lead to any antisemitism. I LOVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE❤. I encourage approaching the matter without succumbing to the logical fallacy of guilt by association. There are many truths in the scripture that have been miss used. I hope that people can assess the truth of the scripture based on truth and not what fallen man does with that truth.
Any resson no mention was made of the olive tree and how the gentiles were grafted in? Maybe there was and I missed it..but your position in the overall context of the texts seems both obvious and correct. I found any argument by Gabe as limited and flimsy.
If people would take the time to read the WHOLE Bible instead of sticking only to the New Testament, they would then read the whole story of redemption and would clearly see that God chose Israel and why He did, and most importantly how the story ends in Revelation! That is, with all Israel being saved and serving God during the age to come for 1000 years. Reading only the New Testament is like starting reading a book or watching a movie in the middle of it. The Hebrew Bible (aka the New Testament) is bursting with passage after passage talking about the subject. How can people not see it? Why? Because they're either only reading the NT or reading the Bible as a whole through the lens of replacement theology
Revelation is God’s divine judgment on apostate Israel of the first century…… He unleashed His wrath upon the wicked and perverse generation who killed our Lord Jesus Christ ❤
Watch the TH-cam video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology", if you want to see the original source of Darby's "Two Peoples of God" doctrine. Those promoting this man-made doctrine are ignoring the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which reveals the truth who are now the people of God in 1 Peter 2:4-10.
@@SpotterVideo If I may offer something in the way of a middle way here, we need to appreciate that a dispensation may be understood simply as the period of time in which a covenant is in force. There's more to it of course, but sometimes it's helpful to really simplify things, especially theological things. In that light, we can see that neither the Reformer's "covenantal" understanding nor the pre 1948 dispensational understanding are in any way adequate. We KNOW that Israel exists. We know that Hebrew was raised from the grave of dead tongues. We know the diaspora has returned, and the land sprouted in greenery and gemstones. And yes, we know war is being waged as we speak.
@@duncescotus2342 New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Maybe you don't follow many conversations on TH-cam or other social media but tons of professing christians are against the Jews now, especially in orthodox circles. While I agree that someone who hates Jews (or anyone else) is not a true Christian, that doesn't mean there isn't a growing sect of people who are like that. It's important to bring this issue to light because it is infecting christianty. That's doesn't mean there arent false accusations of anti semitism either. Plenty of people throw that word around to attack those who disagree with them when it isn't true. But it is concerning to see a shift in people's attitudes towards Jewish people. Unfortunately, the years of falsely accusing people of anti semitism are now causing those same individuals to start to become anti semitic.
Dr Brown you did great in explaining the scriptures and why you believe what you believe in the debate on Ruslan's show. It was clear as day on what you where saying I dont get why it was so hard for Gabe to understand, seems like he has a spiritual blinding alongside Jewish people 😂.
This is so interesting to see and hear from you, Dr. Brown, while you also deny Christian eschatology aspect of the Rapture. I commented on one of your recent TH-cam short videos about this. I will continue to listen to the entire audiobook version of your book with Craig Keener, "Not Afraid of the Anti-Christ: why we don't believe in the Rapture". It is VERY concerning that both you and your co-author and the foreword repeat the non-sequitur/fallacy that "the Rapture is not in the Bible." - as this is an unfounded assertion, and makes as much logical sense as stating "Trinity is not found in the Bible". I'm hoping to maybe pick up some clues from you or Mr. Keener, what might be motivating such an active denial of non-essential doctrine, but one that offers such great hope and promise of particular, detailed fulfillment of one of God's many promises still awaiting fulfillment in our future. I fear that the mocking the Rapture concept receives from fleshly non-believers in popular media, as well as vehement, essentially anit-semetic, anti-intellectual criticism or simple, unsubstantiated dismissal of the Rapture. I am surprised in part due my idea that you had worked with Christian Jew Foundation with writing for their publication, and since Dr. Halff was, and Gary Hedrick is strong on Dispensationalism and the Rapture - and teach it beautifully, even beyond what they specifically teach and write on. The pattern of Jewish sign, symbols, and behaviors and expectations are beautiful and astounding threads of detailed fulfillment of God's past and future with the different individuals and peoples, across all books of Scripture. I noted that a brief talk with Dr. Hugh Ross could also clear up common conceptual and logical mistakes made about issues in eschatology. The single dimension of time of Earth is the likely core of mistaken expectations and denials of the sometimes confusing mystery of the fulfilling of the many promises of God. I will verify it, but I'll bet you a big dinner for yourself and your wife that there is zero consideration of it in your co-authored book. The fact that that the Heavenly City of New Jerusalem is brought close to Earth by Yeshua, around the time of Day of Trouble of Jacob, eliminates the seeming discomfort that Rapture deniers make, like Hank Hannegraf, by denigrating the doctrine as "secret coming of Jesus" or "requiring" an extra or second step in the desired, imagined, singular, clear-cut event, in perfect circular reasoning. The local (to Earth and Jerusalem) presence of New Jerusalem, first unseen, then seen by all, obviates many if not all of the presumptions by you and Craig Keener, and most all deniers of various versions or timings of events that will all transpire during the final 7 years before the Millenial Reign of Christ.
Yasharal (aka: Israel) with its correct Hebrew Letters in it contains all seven initials of Abraham, Yitzak and Ya'aqab and their wives Sarah, Rabaqah, Leah, Raqal. AMAZING, our YHWH.
I don't think that God would disregard the patriarchs. However, the question is, are a post jesus jew that doesn't believe in Christ saved? I must say any "christians" in history that persecute any people that would completely be non christian. I don't care what status they had or how powerful they became persecuting people based on their race, and even belief is devilish.
Hey Dr. Brown, you addressed this somewhat during this video but during the debate -- when the question was posed that according to 1 Jn 3:22, Judaism should be lumped with Islam as an "antichrist religion" since Judaism also rejects the Son, it would be reasonable to conclude this to be true taking this verse in isolation. But the implication of 'antichrist, therefore rejection' is false. The rest of Scripture is clear that God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy -- and national Israel has certainly not been rejected ("me ginomai"!). This is definitely a difficult subject for us lay folk to wade through but it's clear that there is something unique about Israel. Scripture reveals that God -- by currently using Gentiles to make hardened Israel jealous (Rom. 11:11) -- still has future plans for the "natural brances" of Israel (Rom. 11:23-32). This is His harden/mercy prerogative consistent with His Sovereignty. Anyone reading of the bona fide hardening, and implied 'rejection,' of Israel -- while glossing over the mercy to be extended to Israel -- is missing the point of the Scriptures.
On this teaching point, I happen to agree with you. I know that Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum also explains this as the reasonable exposition of Scripture, in his great book, "Israelology:the missing link in systematic theologoy" Do you agree with Dr. Fruchtenbaum's Messianic theology and eschatology? Have you done a show discussing these issues?
I agree 100% Dr Brown, I have done some personal research on this issue and have found that a number of the Early Church Fathers speak of those of the Alexandrian Church were influenced by the Gnostics in their attacks on the resurrection. A number of these Early Church Fathers have the origins of these anti-physical resurrection, a denial of Christ to reign physically in Jerusalem in Israel, this going back to the Paul’s dealings with the denial of a physical resurrection in 2 Timothy 2:18; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 and 1 Corinthians 15. I can see that this resurrection issue has been the stepping stone to division between Jews and Gentiles.
It's undeniable that the scripute clearly teaches that the Church is the Israel of God. All believers have to deal with the implications of that plain teaching in what ever way you can, doctrinally, spiritually and theologically. Trying to box or group people into different doctrines and labels is bad for the body of Christ, and only causes division. I reject the term "replacement theology" as an accurate representation of positions held by many that just accept that there is a Spiritual Israel that we are grafted into, as clearly taught by the apostles.
Where in Scripture is the Church the Israel of God? Show some verses. I know the Church is the bride of Christ, but never is it associated with Israel where Israel is more compared to being a son or a daughter.
@@pitAlexxtry Romans 2:28-29; 1 Peter 2:9-11 and Galatians 6:15-16. The church is the spiritual Israel of God. Ethnic, physical Israel is distinct from the church. But so are The Bahamas, United States, Canada, Russia, China, ect. However, in the Church are Jewish and Gentile believers who are the spiritual heirs of the Abrahamic promises according to Galatians 3:6-7.
@@pitAlexxI will add that one day in the future the Lord will graft ethnic physical Israel back into the olive tree, which is the Abrahamic covenant (Romans 11).
@@kevinevans8892olive tree is Israel by the ancestors the 12 forefathers begotten by jacob / Israel. Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Forgetting about the debate for a moment, I have a brief summary based upon the entire Scripture (Old and New Testament) and especially upon Romans 11. God chose the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) to bring salvation to the entire world through Jesus the Messiah. Because of this, all people who have faith (like Abraham) as shown by their works (like Abraham did with Isaac) -- and place their faith in Jesus the Messiah (a descendant of Abraham) and take up their "cross" daily and follow Him -- will be true children of Abraham and chosen members of God's kingdom. The physical descendants of Abraham (who was chosen to be the father -- physical ancestor -- of Jesus the Messiah) will be grafted back into the chosen people of God when they individually receive Jesus as their personal Messiah with faith (like our father Abraham) shown by their actions (in obedience to God like our father Abraham did).
@@duncescotus2342 Anyone who is clueless can find plenty of clues by reading the Bible book-by-book and then taking it all within its collective context. 📖😉
The focus is mostly on the Jews in Revelation/Daniel/etc. It's foolish if we try to replace the Jews with the Church. Will the antichrist be making a 7-year covenant with the Church? Will the antichrist set himself up in the "Christian" temple? Will it be the Church looking up to see the One whom they pierced at the time of the end? Will God be gathering the Church from the four corners of the world back to the land (Israel) that He gave then???
@@conceptualclarity Do you think God is done with Israel except of course Jews who accept Jesus? Since 70 AD both Jew and Gentile must accept Jesus as the Messiah or they will die in their sins and be lost for all eternity. But clearly because of the covenant God made with Israel the Bible is filled with prophesies that speak of God gathering the Jews back to the land and ultimately coming to recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10-14). They were scattered after rejecting Jesus but will be gathered back by God and will finally accept the Messiah. In other words God is not finished with the Jews. They have not been replaced
“Not all of Israel is Israel…. In other words a remnant”. Ummm, no, that’s not the context Paul is speaking and he shows this in the following verses. Rom 9:8 This means that it is 👉🏻not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, 👈🏻👉🏻but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 👈🏻 And also in the following verses. Doesn’t matter who you descended from. It doesn’t matter if you’re a Jew. It doesn’t matter is you’re a child of Abraham. It doesn’t matter if you descended from Israel. What matters is if you are children of the promise. And that promise is Christ. This is the point Paul’s hammers down to these objecting Jews. Jews thinking that because of whom they descended from, what nation they belong to, that they automatically think they are included in the new covenant. Paul rejects this.
Hold on, quickdraw theologian. Abraham had a son before Isaac, Ishmael, born of the slavewoman Hagar, and he too receives an inheritance (in God's mercy). He too has 12 sons (like Jacob). See Galatians for confusion. There Paul likens Hagar to Israel in bondage to the law. Go figure. The promise is Christ, but the promises are many.
@@duncescotus2342 quick draw theologian? 🤦🏻♂️. That is Is not the point Paul is speaking about in Roman’s 9? No it isn’t. I literally spelled it out that point. Was the promise for Ishmael? No, it wasn’t. Was the promise for Esau? No it wasn’t. This is literally Paul point to the Jews. That it DOESNT matter your lineage, nor who your father is, nor what nation you belong to. Because Abraham was Ishmael father and Isaac was Esau’s father. You people are really bad at this. Good grief.
Romans 9 is about "Israel within Israel"...Just because one was "born of the flesh" was not what constituted "Israel" as many fell away within Israel, even though they were born inside of Israel. It wasn't a "free ticket"... It's why Paul uses the example of Jacob and Esau , who are both born within the same womb but one is chosen for a purpose and the other one not. God's choice is not dependent on the flesh, rather the flesh is dependent on God. It's like saying not all who are in the Church are of the Church and just because they were "born into it" doesn't mean they are really part of the promise to the Church... Romans 11 is pretty explicit on what happens to Israel .
Replacement theology, covenant theology, even much of dispensational theology is wrong. But partially right: 1. The Church replaces Israel and the Jewish people as God's vessels of evangelism. 2. The covenants are many, but a later one does not negate a former one. They are layered or stacked like pancakes to some degree. 3. The period of time in which a covenant is in effect may be thought of as a dispensation, however, there is much overlap and blurring. The Bible is often imprecise and purposefully so. No one likes a knowitall dunce.
Those that reject God (Jesus), also reject God (The Father and the Holy Spirit). Those that love God are Israel, and those that hate God are cut off from Israel. Jews can only be part of Israel, if they repent to God, who is the Trinity; aka becoming Orthodox Christian. Those that continue to reject God are Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. There is not Replacement Theology, but FULFILLMENT theology. Israel is the Christian Church.
Then Moses commanded the people on that day, saying, “These shall stand on Mount Gerizim to bless the people when you cross over the Jordan: Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Joseph, and Benjamin; and these shall stand on Mount Ebal to curse: Reuben, Gad, Asher, Zebulun, Dan, and Naphtali. Then the Levites shall speak with a loud voice and say to all Israel: ‘Cursed is the man who makes a carved or molten image, an abomination to the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and sets it up in secret.’ Then all the people shall answer and say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who dishonors his father or mother.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who changes his neighbor's boundaries.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who makes the blind wander on a road.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who perverts the judgment of a resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who lies with his father's wife, because he uncovered what is covered of his father's.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who lies with any cattle.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who lies with his mother-in-law.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who lies with the sister of his wife.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who strikes his neighbor deceitfully.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who takes a bribe to slay the innocent blood of a soul.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is every man who does not abide in all the words of this law to do them.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’† (Deuteronomy 27:11-26)
Nonsense. Get with the post 1948 world. Not everything is figurative, though much is. As for your pride in tradition, go get back the cities of Asia Minor. Ahem, Islam.
Also the fleshly Jew is to be jealous of the Spiritual Jew, and a Gentile can now be a Spiritual Jew because we married a Jew Spiritually and our Father is a Jew. So stop telling Christians that they can't be Jews, you are promoting racism.
Very clever Partial hardening has nothing to do with a timeline. The ancient nation of Israel was partially hardened due to Gods judgement. In other words, a PORTION, a PERCENTAGE of Israel was hardened by God and the remnant of THAT nation was saved, by grace and that is how ALL of ANCIENT Israel was saved. It’s a pie chart, not a generational timeline Paul is most certainly talking about the nation of ANCIENT Israel.
He writes the saving of Israel WILL HAPPEN IN FUTURE or time ahead from the day his writings is produced. Also the hardening is only partial not whole nation.
@@waitandsee9345 When Paul talks about the “fullness of the Gentiles” and “all Israel being saved” in Romans 11:25-26, he’s not setting up a future timeline. Instead, he’s talking about his ministry to the Gentiles completing God’s plan. Paul says a “partial hardening” happened to Israel, meaning only some were hardened. The remnant of Israel has already been saved by grace, and this is how “all Israel” will be saved. It’s like a pie chart - part of Israel was hardened, and the rest was saved. Notice in Romans 11:26, Paul says “from Zion a deliverer will come,” changing the original text from “to Zion.” This means salvation is already coming from the heavenly Jerusalem, thanks to Jesus’ work. So, it’s not about Jesus coming again to save the Jews; he already brought salvation, and it’s from this completed work that all are saved. Some interpret “partial hardening” as a temporary condition, but Paul’s emphasis on the remnant (Romans 11:5) suggests it’s more about a segment of Israel being hardened. This view aligns more closely with Paul’s discussion and is more faithful to the original meaning of the text. In short, the salvation Paul talks about is happening now, through the inclusion of the Gentiles and the saved remnant of Israel, not something we’re waiting for in the future.
@@waitandsee9345 Paul’s future - our past. The modern political entity of Israel may have the same name, but is nowhere close to the theocratic covenant nation of the Israel in the Bible.
@@XN_Pulse paul's future is when all jews including those who pierced Him see His second coming. Revelation 1:7 (KJV) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Israel is Jacob. U like it or not jacob is chosen by God above esav. Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. They who are cut off only branches, not the tree nor the root. Israel is still the first born, first fruit, etc. Romans 11:15-16, 28 (KJV) For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
@@waitandsee9345 Yeah, Israel is Jacob. Duh. But Israel (and Jacob, and Ephraim, and Joseph, and Judah, etc) as names are used metonymically for a people, and it's not crystal clear, even to Jews who exactly is included!
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8, 3:16.) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the word “remnant” in Romans 9:27, with the word “nation”? 6. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 7. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "when" or "then"? 8. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? Why did James address his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith" in James 1:1-3? Who was James talking to in his letter? 9. Based on Hebrews 12:18-24, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 10. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 11. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? (See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.) Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? The Apostle Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel in 2 Thess. 1:7-10. Is there a Plan B of salvation based on race at the Second Coming of Christ in this passage? Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel...
If your interpretation Is true then the NT is false because your interpretation contradicts the OT. First thing first God clearly said everlasting covenant in Genesis 17:7 Then God is clearly saying he will not break his promise with his people (Israel)Never. isaiah 50:1 Leviticus 26:44-45 Psalm 94:14 1 Samuel 12:22 2 Samuel 7:16 Jeremiah 31:36-40 Jeremiah 33:23-26 Judges 2:1 And if you gonna say God changed his mind see: Numbers 23:19 Malachi 3:6 If the NT is changing any of those then it's false because see: deuteronomy 4:2
@@Ivan_Ns See the word "all" in Luke 24:27 below. Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. .
Good points, probably, but who cuts and pastes for brevity's sake? Now, if you typed all this for one comment, answer me back. I have work for a man like you.
@SpotterVideo Evrey single one of those is from the NT. If you're right then as I said the NT is false deut 4:2. God cannot lie or change his mind. Show me a verse and chapter from the OT that say that God will cast Isreal away forever. In fact he says more then 10 times that he will never do it. Your interpretation Is throwing the NT under the bus because it's a huge violation of deuteronomy.
@@Ivan_Ns Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: .
I found the "performance" by Gabe rude and disrespectful. Speaking over and trying to drown out the opposite side is not debate. Any valid arguments that he may have had were negated by his behavior. I felt that Ruslan did pretty well in trying to hold it together but could have been a bit firmer with Gabe.
God loves Jewish people, they are His firstborn. I’m praying for the peace in Jerusalem and Jewish around the world
When I first read the Bible I did not come out of it thinking the Church replaces the Jews. It's pretty clear to me when Paul talks about branches or about making Israel gelos.
But neither did you think to go join a synagogue.
@@duncescotus2342 Right, so? What does that have to do with anything? I am referring to this stupid replacement belief - what are you referring to?
@@pitAlexx I was referring to something, but it was stupidly replaced.
@@duncescotus2342 Aha, well at the end you will see Christ in a resurrected jewish body. Can’t wait to see all your faces then, how will you react. Hating jews yet here He is, a jew, you have to bow down too.
It's not difficult to knock down a straw man argument, the early church was exclusively Jewish, the Israel within Israel were the true people of God from the start and in time the gentiles were added. 'replacement theology' is a caricature.
You did great in that Debate despite his misbehaviors for being disrespectful to you and to the scripture . Jesus is the king of Jews , and he came for the Jews first then to the gentile and there is nothing wrong with that . To everyone who read the Bible correctly they will go on your side God bless you brother .
Jesus is also King of the entire world, not just Israel. He demands allegiance from every creature He created (Psalm 2).
@@kevinevans8892you was born as a gentile in a christian home is destiny from God. What if u were born as a jew in an ultra orthodox jewish home?
They are born as jews is destiny from God. Do you think God makes mistake?
That “debate” was hard to watch. So much so, my 9 yo son was watching with me and randomly said of Gabe, “this guy is not a Christian”. He was dancing around questions, being rude and disrespectful and placed his willful ignorance and hardness of heart on full display. That was not a display of a man who has the love of God in him.
We love you Dr. Brown and you did great but that discussion was beneath your intellect and maturity. I wish you would’ve know what you were walking into.
Because of God's grace we live, because of Jesus Savior we have salvation, to the jew first and to the gentile. The Lord Jesus Savior is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through him. God bless you Dr. Brown in the name of our Lord Jesus Savior.
Great job last night well done...Gabe is a stain on the Lord's garment...if he thought his behaviour glorified Jesus Wow.... rude arrogant disrespectful and a liar... pray for Gabe... Amen Doc🙏🙏🙏
I’m Jewish. I watched the debate . The other guy was appalling, rude and arrogant. I do thank Dr Michael brown for setting the record straight and defending my people standing with G-d.
To the First Madam Caller,
I apologize for the disrespectful conduct shown by this man towards Dr. Brown, Ruslan, and your Jewish community on behalf of the Gentile believers. Please forgive us, as not all of us hold the same views and behaviors as this individual.
I am so looking forward to the debate with Steve Gregg as I genuinely love and appreciate both of these men. I trust it will be fruitful. Well, there is so much to be said. I will simply state this. "replacement theology has led to the shedding of Jewish blood". personally, not a fan of the term "replacement theology". I much prefer "fulfillment theology", and yes, I hold to it. It sickens me to think that this may lead to any antisemitism. I LOVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE❤. I encourage approaching the matter without succumbing to the logical fallacy of guilt by association. There are many truths in the scripture that have been miss used. I hope that people can assess the truth of the scripture based on truth and not what fallen man does with that truth.
I loved watching the debate on Ruslan
Your performance during that debate was outstanding.
Any resson no mention was made of the olive tree and how the gentiles were grafted in? Maybe there was and I missed it..but your position in the overall context of the texts seems both obvious and correct. I found any argument by Gabe as limited and flimsy.
If people would take the time to read the WHOLE Bible instead of sticking only to the New Testament, they would then read the whole story of redemption and would clearly see that God chose Israel and why He did, and most importantly how the story ends in Revelation! That is, with all Israel being saved and serving God during the age to come for 1000 years. Reading only the New Testament is like starting reading a book or watching a movie in the middle of it. The Hebrew Bible (aka the New Testament) is bursting with passage after passage talking about the subject. How can people not see it? Why? Because they're either only reading the NT or reading the Bible as a whole through the lens of replacement theology
Where is this in revelation?
Revelation is God’s divine judgment on apostate Israel of the first century…… He unleashed His wrath upon the wicked and perverse generation who killed our Lord Jesus Christ ❤
Dispensational theology is a novel doctrine. Darby systemtised it. Schofield populised it.
Agreed 💯
And I used it to stop the door.
Watch the TH-cam video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology", if you want to see the original source of Darby's "Two Peoples of God" doctrine. Those promoting this man-made doctrine are ignoring the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which reveals the truth who are now the people of God in 1 Peter 2:4-10.
@@SpotterVideo If I may offer something in the way of a middle way here, we need to appreciate that a dispensation may be understood simply as the period of time in which a covenant is in force. There's more to it of course, but sometimes it's helpful to really simplify things, especially theological things.
In that light, we can see that neither the Reformer's "covenantal" understanding nor the pre 1948 dispensational understanding are in any way adequate. We KNOW that Israel exists. We know that Hebrew was raised from the grave of dead tongues. We know the diaspora has returned, and the land sprouted in greenery and gemstones.
And yes, we know war is being waged as we speak.
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New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below?
Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.
God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9.
What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
People being racist to jews are people that don't follow the teachings of Jesus, stop blaming real Christians.
Truth
They are not a race
Maybe you don't follow many conversations on TH-cam or other social media but tons of professing christians are against the Jews now, especially in orthodox circles.
While I agree that someone who hates Jews (or anyone else) is not a true Christian, that doesn't mean there isn't a growing sect of people who are like that. It's important to bring this issue to light because it is infecting christianty.
That's doesn't mean there arent false accusations of anti semitism either. Plenty of people throw that word around to attack those who disagree with them when it isn't true. But it is concerning to see a shift in people's attitudes towards Jewish people.
Unfortunately, the years of falsely accusing people of anti semitism are now causing those same individuals to start to become anti semitic.
Dr Brown you did great in explaining the scriptures and why you believe what you believe in the debate on Ruslan's show. It was clear as day on what you where saying I dont get why it was so hard for Gabe to understand, seems like he has a spiritual blinding alongside Jewish people 😂.
Be blessed!
This is so interesting to see and hear from you, Dr. Brown, while you also deny Christian eschatology aspect of the Rapture. I commented on one of your recent TH-cam short videos about this.
I will continue to listen to the entire audiobook version of your book with Craig Keener, "Not Afraid of the Anti-Christ: why we don't believe in the Rapture". It is VERY concerning that both you and your co-author and the foreword repeat the non-sequitur/fallacy that "the Rapture is not in the Bible." - as this is an unfounded assertion, and makes as much logical sense as stating "Trinity is not found in the Bible".
I'm hoping to maybe pick up some clues from you or Mr. Keener, what might be motivating such an active denial of non-essential doctrine, but one that offers such great hope and promise of particular, detailed fulfillment of one of God's many promises still awaiting fulfillment in our future. I fear that the mocking the Rapture concept receives from fleshly non-believers in popular media, as well as vehement, essentially anit-semetic, anti-intellectual criticism or simple, unsubstantiated dismissal of the Rapture.
I am surprised in part due my idea that you had worked with Christian Jew Foundation with writing for their publication, and since Dr. Halff was, and Gary Hedrick is strong on Dispensationalism and the Rapture - and teach it beautifully, even beyond what they specifically teach and write on. The pattern of Jewish sign, symbols, and behaviors and expectations are beautiful and astounding threads of detailed fulfillment of God's past and future with the different individuals and peoples, across all books of Scripture. I noted that a brief talk with Dr. Hugh Ross could also clear up common conceptual and logical mistakes made about issues in eschatology. The single dimension of time of Earth is the likely core of mistaken expectations and denials of the sometimes confusing mystery of the fulfilling of the many promises of God. I will verify it, but I'll bet you a big dinner for yourself and your wife that there is zero consideration of it in your co-authored book.
The fact that that the Heavenly City of New Jerusalem is brought close to Earth by Yeshua, around the time of Day of Trouble of Jacob, eliminates the seeming discomfort that Rapture deniers make, like Hank Hannegraf, by denigrating the doctrine as "secret coming of Jesus" or "requiring" an extra or second step in the desired, imagined, singular, clear-cut event, in perfect circular reasoning. The local (to Earth and Jerusalem) presence of New Jerusalem, first unseen, then seen by all, obviates many if not all of the presumptions by you and Craig Keener, and most all deniers of various versions or timings of events that will all transpire during the final 7 years before the Millenial Reign of Christ.
Yasharal (aka: Israel) with its correct Hebrew Letters in it contains all seven initials of Abraham, Yitzak and Ya'aqab and their wives Sarah, Rabaqah, Leah, Raqal. AMAZING, our YHWH.
Yep. ישראל יעקב יצחק שרה רבקה אברהם לאה
The “replacement theology” is the correct interpretation of scripture brought by the saints, the early church fathers, Paul, and the church.
I don't think that God would disregard the patriarchs. However, the question is, are a post jesus jew that doesn't believe in Christ saved?
I must say any "christians" in history that persecute any people that would completely be non christian. I don't care what status they had or how powerful they became persecuting people based on their race, and even belief is devilish.
Good point. Preach the Gospel to all peoples.
Hey Dr. Brown, you addressed this somewhat during this video but during the debate -- when the question was posed that according to 1 Jn 3:22, Judaism should be lumped with Islam as an "antichrist religion" since Judaism also rejects the Son, it would be reasonable to conclude this to be true taking this verse in isolation. But the implication of 'antichrist, therefore rejection' is false. The rest of Scripture is clear that God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy -- and national Israel has certainly not been rejected ("me ginomai"!).
This is definitely a difficult subject for us lay folk to wade through but it's clear that there is something unique about Israel. Scripture reveals that God -- by currently using Gentiles to make hardened Israel jealous (Rom. 11:11) -- still has future plans for the "natural brances" of Israel (Rom. 11:23-32). This is His harden/mercy prerogative consistent with His Sovereignty.
Anyone reading of the bona fide hardening, and implied 'rejection,' of Israel -- while glossing over the mercy to be extended to Israel -- is missing the point of the Scriptures.
On this teaching point, I happen to agree with you. I know that Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum also explains this as the reasonable exposition of Scripture, in his great book, "Israelology:the missing link in systematic theologoy"
Do you agree with Dr. Fruchtenbaum's Messianic theology and eschatology? Have you done a show discussing these issues?
I agree 100% Dr Brown, I have done some personal research on this issue and have found that a number of the Early Church Fathers speak of those of the Alexandrian Church were influenced by the Gnostics in their attacks on the resurrection.
A number of these Early Church Fathers have the origins of these anti-physical resurrection, a denial of Christ to reign physically in Jerusalem in Israel, this going back to the Paul’s dealings with the denial of a physical resurrection in 2 Timothy 2:18; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 and 1 Corinthians 15.
I can see that this resurrection issue has been the stepping stone to division between Jews and Gentiles.
it was just a debate and Dr Brown took the debate on his own volition
Do you study the parsha's with the prophets and NT ? I love how the Apostles refer back to the teachings of Moses and prophets to confirm Christ.
Gabe did an amazing job refuting your nonsense.
Great job Dr. Brown.
It's undeniable that the scripute clearly teaches that the Church is the Israel of God.
All believers have to deal with the implications of that plain teaching in what ever way you can, doctrinally, spiritually and theologically.
Trying to box or group people into different doctrines and labels is bad for the body of Christ, and only causes division.
I reject the term "replacement theology" as an accurate representation of positions held by many that just accept that there is a Spiritual Israel that we are grafted into, as clearly taught by the apostles.
Where in Scripture is the Church the Israel of God? Show some verses. I know the Church is the bride of Christ, but never is it associated with Israel where Israel is more compared to being a son or a daughter.
@@pitAlexxtry Romans 2:28-29; 1 Peter 2:9-11 and Galatians 6:15-16. The church is the spiritual Israel of God. Ethnic, physical Israel is distinct from the church. But so are The Bahamas, United States, Canada, Russia, China, ect. However, in the Church are Jewish and Gentile believers who are the spiritual heirs of the Abrahamic promises according to Galatians 3:6-7.
@@pitAlexxI will add that one day in the future the Lord will graft ethnic physical Israel back into the olive tree, which is the Abrahamic covenant (Romans 11).
@@pitAlexx Philippians 3:3
@@kevinevans8892olive tree is Israel by the ancestors the 12 forefathers begotten by jacob / Israel.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Forgetting about the debate for a moment, I have a brief summary based upon the entire Scripture (Old and New Testament) and especially upon Romans 11. God chose the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) to bring salvation to the entire world through Jesus the Messiah. Because of this, all people who have faith (like Abraham) as shown by their works (like Abraham did with Isaac) -- and place their faith in Jesus the Messiah (a descendant of Abraham) and take up their "cross" daily and follow Him -- will be true children of Abraham and chosen members of God's kingdom. The physical descendants of Abraham (who was chosen to be the father -- physical ancestor -- of Jesus the Messiah) will be grafted back into the chosen people of God when they individually receive Jesus as their personal Messiah with faith (like our father Abraham) shown by their actions (in obedience to God like our father Abraham did).
What about the clueless average Christian?
@@duncescotus2342 Anyone who is clueless can find plenty of clues by reading the Bible book-by-book and then taking it all within its collective context. 📖😉
@@c.a.r.s.carsandrelevantspecs You're neurodivergent. It's ok.
@@duncescotus2342 😄
So, David, Elijah, Elisha, Moses, and Abraham are not "Saved"? John the Baptist? Greatest among men but the least in the kingdom.
The focus is mostly on the Jews in Revelation/Daniel/etc. It's foolish if we try to replace the Jews with the Church. Will the antichrist be making a 7-year covenant with the Church? Will the antichrist set himself up in the "Christian" temple? Will it be the Church looking up to see the One whom they pierced at the time of the end? Will God be gathering the Church from the four corners of the world back to the land (Israel) that He gave then???
As a Christian Zionist I don't agree with you that there is as much about Israel as about the church in Revelation
@@conceptualclarity Do you think God is done with Israel except of course Jews who accept Jesus? Since 70 AD both Jew and Gentile must accept Jesus as the Messiah or they will die in their sins and be lost for all eternity. But clearly because of the covenant God made with Israel the Bible is filled with prophesies that speak of God gathering the Jews back to the land and ultimately coming to recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10-14). They were scattered after rejecting Jesus but will be gathered back by God and will finally accept the Messiah. In other words God is not finished with the Jews. They have not been replaced
@@55k3v1n I completely agree with all of that
“Not all of Israel is Israel…. In other words a remnant”. Ummm, no, that’s not the context Paul is speaking and he shows this in the following verses.
Rom 9:8 This means that it is 👉🏻not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, 👈🏻👉🏻but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 👈🏻
And also in the following verses.
Doesn’t matter who you descended from. It doesn’t matter if you’re a Jew. It doesn’t matter is you’re a child of Abraham. It doesn’t matter if you descended from Israel. What matters is if you are children of the promise. And that promise is Christ.
This is the point Paul’s hammers down to these objecting Jews. Jews thinking that because of whom they descended from, what nation they belong to, that they automatically think they are included in the new covenant.
Paul rejects this.
Hold on, quickdraw theologian. Abraham had a son before Isaac, Ishmael, born of the slavewoman Hagar, and he too receives an inheritance (in God's mercy). He too has 12 sons (like Jacob). See Galatians for confusion. There Paul likens Hagar to Israel in bondage to the law. Go figure.
The promise is Christ, but the promises are many.
@@duncescotus2342 quick draw theologian? 🤦🏻♂️. That is Is not the point Paul is speaking about in Roman’s 9? No it isn’t. I literally spelled it out that point. Was the promise for Ishmael? No, it wasn’t. Was the promise for Esau? No it wasn’t. This is literally Paul point to the Jews. That it DOESNT matter your lineage, nor who your father is, nor what nation you belong to. Because Abraham was Ishmael father and Isaac was Esau’s father.
You people are really bad at this. Good grief.
@@jasont5300 My bad. I repent in schoolclothes and acne.
Romans 9 is about "Israel within Israel"...Just because one was "born of the flesh" was not what constituted "Israel" as many fell away within Israel, even though they were born inside of Israel. It wasn't a "free ticket"... It's why Paul uses the example of Jacob and Esau , who are both born within the same womb but one is chosen for a purpose and the other one not. God's choice is not dependent on the flesh, rather the flesh is dependent on God. It's like saying not all who are in the Church are of the Church and just because they were "born into it" doesn't mean they are really part of the promise to the Church... Romans 11 is pretty explicit on what happens to Israel .
@@nthdegree1269 Sort of. Since when was Esau associated with Israel, who is in fact Esau's younger brother?
Can anyone send me a link to the debate, please 🙏
It’s on bless god studios channel
@@ishotthepilot2904 thanks a million
Replacement theology, covenant theology, even much of dispensational theology is wrong. But partially right:
1. The Church replaces Israel and the Jewish people as God's vessels of evangelism.
2. The covenants are many, but a later one does not negate a former one. They are layered or stacked like pancakes to some degree.
3. The period of time in which a covenant is in effect may be thought of as a dispensation, however, there is much overlap and blurring. The Bible is often imprecise and purposefully so. No one likes a knowitall dunce.
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Those that reject God (Jesus), also reject God (The Father and the Holy Spirit).
Those that love God are Israel, and those that hate God are cut off from Israel.
Jews can only be part of Israel, if they repent to God, who is the Trinity; aka becoming Orthodox Christian.
Those that continue to reject God are Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.
There is not Replacement Theology, but FULFILLMENT theology.
Israel is the Christian Church.
Then Moses commanded the people on that day, saying, “These shall stand on Mount Gerizim to bless the people when you cross over the Jordan: Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Joseph, and Benjamin; and these shall stand on Mount Ebal to curse: Reuben, Gad, Asher, Zebulun, Dan, and Naphtali. Then the Levites shall speak with a loud voice and say to all Israel: ‘Cursed is the man who makes a carved or molten image, an abomination to the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and sets it up in secret.’ Then all the people shall answer and say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who dishonors his father or mother.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who changes his neighbor's boundaries.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who makes the blind wander on a road.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who perverts the judgment of a resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who lies with his father's wife, because he uncovered what is covered of his father's.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who lies with any cattle.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who lies with his mother-in-law.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who lies with the sister of his wife.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who strikes his neighbor deceitfully.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is he who takes a bribe to slay the innocent blood of a soul.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ‘Cursed is every man who does not abide in all the words of this law to do them.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’† (Deuteronomy 27:11-26)
Nonsense. Get with the post 1948 world. Not everything is figurative, though much is.
As for your pride in tradition, go get back the cities of Asia Minor. Ahem, Islam.
Also the fleshly Jew is to be jealous of the Spiritual Jew, and a Gentile can now be a Spiritual Jew because we married a Jew Spiritually and our Father is a Jew. So stop telling Christians that they can't be Jews, you are promoting racism.
Very clever
Partial hardening has nothing to do with a timeline.
The ancient nation of Israel was partially hardened due to Gods judgement.
In other words, a PORTION, a PERCENTAGE of Israel was hardened by God and the remnant of THAT nation was saved, by grace and that is how ALL of ANCIENT Israel was saved.
It’s a pie chart, not a generational timeline
Paul is most certainly talking about the nation of ANCIENT Israel.
He writes the saving of Israel WILL HAPPEN IN FUTURE or time ahead from the day his writings is produced.
Also the hardening is only partial not whole nation.
@@waitandsee9345 When Paul talks about the “fullness of the Gentiles” and “all Israel being saved” in Romans 11:25-26, he’s not setting up a future timeline. Instead, he’s talking about his ministry to the Gentiles completing God’s plan.
Paul says a “partial hardening” happened to Israel, meaning only some were hardened. The remnant of Israel has already been saved by grace, and this is how “all Israel” will be saved. It’s like a pie chart - part of Israel was hardened, and the rest was saved.
Notice in Romans 11:26, Paul says “from Zion a deliverer will come,” changing the original text from “to Zion.” This means salvation is already coming from the heavenly Jerusalem, thanks to Jesus’ work. So, it’s not about Jesus coming again to save the Jews; he already brought salvation, and it’s from this completed work that all are saved.
Some interpret “partial hardening” as a temporary condition, but Paul’s emphasis on the remnant (Romans 11:5) suggests it’s more about a segment of Israel being hardened. This view aligns more closely with Paul’s discussion and is more faithful to the original meaning of the text.
In short, the salvation Paul talks about is happening now, through the inclusion of the Gentiles and the saved remnant of Israel, not something we’re waiting for in the future.
@@waitandsee9345 Paul’s future - our past.
The modern political entity of Israel may have the same name, but is nowhere close to the theocratic covenant nation of the Israel in the Bible.
@@XN_Pulse paul's future is when all jews including those who pierced Him see His second coming.
Revelation 1:7 (KJV) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
@@waitandsee9345 those that pierced him lived 2000 years ago
The roots are not the patriarchs
I'm pretty sure there's a verse or two that says they are.
Israel is Jacob. U like it or not jacob is chosen by God above esav.
Romans 9:5 (KJV) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
They who are cut off only branches, not the tree nor the root. Israel is still the first born, first fruit, etc.
Romans 11:15-16, 28 (KJV) For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
@@waitandsee9345 Yeah, Israel is Jacob. Duh. But Israel (and Jacob, and Ephraim, and Joseph, and Judah, etc) as names are used metonymically for a people, and it's not crystal clear, even to Jews who exactly is included!
@@waitandsee9345 if they are the roots why isn’t the branches Israel too ?? Isn’t branch part of tree as root is also?!
@@duncescotus2342 you may be pretty sure but there is none
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below?
Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8, 3:16.)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the word “remnant” in Romans 9:27, with the word “nation”?
6. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
7. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "when" or "then"?
8. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? Why did James address his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith" in James 1:1-3? Who was James talking to in his letter?
9. Based on Hebrews 12:18-24, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
10. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
11. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
The Apostle Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel in 2 Thess. 1:7-10. Is there a Plan B of salvation based on race at the Second Coming of Christ in this passage?
Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel...
If your interpretation Is true then the NT is false because your interpretation contradicts the OT.
First thing first God clearly said everlasting covenant in Genesis 17:7
Then God is clearly saying he will not break his promise with his people (Israel)Never.
isaiah 50:1
Leviticus 26:44-45
Psalm 94:14
1 Samuel 12:22
2 Samuel 7:16
Jeremiah 31:36-40
Jeremiah 33:23-26
Judges 2:1
And if you gonna say God changed his mind see:
Numbers 23:19
Malachi 3:6
If the NT is changing any of those then it's false because see:
deuteronomy 4:2
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See the word "all" in Luke 24:27 below.
Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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Good points, probably, but who cuts and pastes for brevity's sake?
Now, if you typed all this for one comment, answer me back. I have work for a man like you.
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Evrey single one of those is from the NT.
If you're right then as I said the NT is false deut 4:2.
God cannot lie or change his mind.
Show me a verse and chapter from the OT that say that God will cast Isreal away forever. In fact he says more then 10 times that he will never do it.
Your interpretation Is throwing the NT under the bus because it's a huge violation of deuteronomy.
@@Ivan_Ns
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
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