Andy Mitten is at Old Trafford to talk about fans being consulted on the potential development and regeneration of the stadium *Subscribe to United We Stand fanzine here* www.uwsonline.com/subscribe.php
Old Trafford is antiquated, i got my email, it was certainly extensive, i saw my first Old Trafford game in 1959, I'll be sad to see it go, but it's the only way forward, best in class includes the stadium
I first went to OT 1956 omg that makes me very old, I spent my life in the construction business, there is only so much you can do when you refurbish a building it still has it's flaws, It's time to move on so it's a new stadium for me, the whole area redeveloped is the way to go, I can see the vision just hope I live long enough to see it completed, "United Center" we can have the Biggest Bar in the world,
Quality, informative reporting. Thank you, Andy. Greatly received. I was an eight or nine-year-old boy in the Stretford end in the 70's. I do wish they could fathom a way to bring back that great wall of noise maybe even standing but with inherent safety. Some way of making that end as formidable as it is possible to be.
Just to add, I'd like a steep stadium with fans close to the pitch. The biggest worry is a circular one with fans miles from the pitch. Whatever they do
well spoken as always, i too belive we should have a 100,00 seater stadium, no problem filling it, agre with the vip areas and defo keep the local fans engaged
Let's start from scratch, OT will be a huge loss, but we need a totally new stadium capable of holding 90 plus thousand, with all the modern features of a ground.
Heart says upgrade old stadium, but head says build new stadium and improve the immediate area. The talk of lord Foster being the design architect for the new stadium is interesting as he designed the gherkin in London but more so he designed the Mclaren Technology centre in Woking which is probably about 20 years old or so now but still is impressive and feels modern. Sad but also exciting time to be a Manchester Utd fan.
Wise words Andy. I've already filled in the survey to have my say. A regeneration of the wider area is long overdue and a stadium upgrade can be the catalyst for it
Old Trafford is a magical place and there is no feeling that comes close after a goal’s been scored. My biggest fear is for that magic to disappear. Also the shape of the stadium and the architectural style makes it stand out. I’d hate it if they turned it into a Panini toaster like Madrid did. I feel like any new stadium should really feel intimidating and overwhelming to visit for opponents instead of the American stadium designs where they look impressive on the outside but too corporate and clean on the inside.
Well it’s not been intimidating since the 1970s and after that the club enjoyed most of its success so I doubt they’ll be thinking about that too much. All football is sanitised now anyway
If a new stadium is built current Old Trafford must be retained in some capacity. Club shop, cafe, museum could all stay and be added with more day to day club functions, the ultimate fan zone. As for funding the new stadium £50-£100million a season could help .
I never remember my dreams, but one stands out from about 3 or 4 years ago, where I was standing on terraces in an "immersive experience room" opposite the East Stand, but watching, on a huge screen, a live game which was going on at O.T. At the time I interpreted it as being for those who preferred to stand or alternatively couldn't get tickets for the sold out game next door. Weird how something vaguely similar could be in the offing.
The redevelopment options of a Old Trafford HAS to be the first priority, I got my email and took part in the form. I’m not against a new stadium by any means but when you think of how many generations of fans, legends who have been born on that very pitch, trophies won, countless emotions, memories, history, victories and the list can go on, there’s just too much at old Trafford for it to be abandoned. We’ve been through the worst period over this past decade, but old Trafford and the fans have been the heartbeat of it all and I want nothing more to continue lifting trophies there. I fear moving to a new stadium and it being lifeless and unsettling. I don’t have doubt in our fans as we have the best energy but will a new stadium be home? I’m not easily convinced with there...
I’d personally like a new stadium, but only on the promise it won’t be a SOFI’esq bowl. Even something that resembled the Lucas Oil stadium would be better with the red brick exterior. The stadium is a home, but as Andy mentioned, no matter the outcome and plan, it needs to serve a purpose to the local community.
Andy, somewhere to watch away games as well as places to watch women’s and academy games would make it a destination! Please push for this, your voice is louder ❤
Excellent video Andy. You make some very good points. We all need to make our feelings known. I’m for refurbishment personally. For me you can feel the history on every visit to Old Trafford. And just look at the Bernabéu, engineering in-place, can be done! As fans though, we shouldn’t be taken in by the promise of something shinny and new. There will be a cost, and 100% we will pay for it in increased ticket costs, food and drink etc. They are trying to follow that American NFL model, where the costs to attend are high and dynamic pricing. Be wary!
Cardiff regretted moving new stadium and sold their soul (no pun intended). Utd have the best atmosphere on its day in England. Like back against Barca in 2008, Ratcliffe is going to screw us over I feel, he hasn't gone enough pockets for building a new ground.
@@DaveSeville-sf1kubro our fans are literally helping the glazers to destroy this club 1 backing ten hag 2 protecting bad players rashford bruno shaw mount 3 new stadium 4 no standards
Went to my first game at Old Trafford in 1954, been to games after each new renovation and love that it's grown with the club through the decades. If the club demollish Old Trafford so be it but I think there's still life left in the old girl yet. Barca and Real are renovating their stadiums and both their stadiums instead of building new ones. And both those stadiums are older than the majority of Old Trafford as most of the current OT was only built in the last 30 years.
United are one of the only teams in England that can fill out 100k stadium. Easily. The atmosphere will be insane and it will bring back a sense of pride having one of the best stadiums in the world
Not really pal. Modern fans are hopeless. They’re more arsed about the WiFi, updating their social media and the half time scran than creating an atmosphere. The football crowd is just a microcosm of society as a whole.
For me it has to be a new stadium. It's the only way we can have a stadium the club deserves, and it's the only way we can get the capacity we need. Sick of compromises and putting up with second best. It's not as though we're moving location, it'll be right behind the Stretford End. The way I look at it...the only way the old ground can redeveloped to the standard needed is a full tear-down and rebuild. We'd have 10 years of disruption. The design and capacity will be compromised by squeezing it into that corner of the plot, and how it fits into the Wharfside project will be compromised as well. I don't see the point in making all those concessions just so that we can say that we've kept the pitch on the exact same footprint.
If I could keep OT and sit in the lower tier of Stretford or K or the first two tiers of SAF I’d be happy. If I was in the upper tiers I wouldn’t bother going. Those low roof lines kill the experience. It’s got to be a move. We can improve on Spurs.
We need a future not just for those like me, supporting Utd since Docherty but we to consider future generations that have different requirements. A new stadium is the way to go that will facilitate future Utd fans.
Much as i love Andy and his unswerving loyalty to our club I can't agree with him that Old Trafford isn't beautiful. My heart still sings when I'm walking along Sir Matt Way to our icon of a ground, and i hate those oval "wrapped up" stadiums, whatever they are called. I do believe we need a new stadium, but hope ot won't just look like all the other new stadiums around the world We especially don't want an NFL dome type of thing.
110,000 Steep. No mid section like Wembley. Reduced tickets prices for those living in the postcode. For some minor games.. I.e fa cup 3rd round Vs Rotherham.. everybody under 13 free. Minimum 30,000 standing. No admittance to anybody with half & half scarfs. Keep the stadium name as Old Trafford.
I think I’m right in saying that you’re coming round to the idea of a new stadium, Andy. I’m the same. The original OT, albeit redesigned, is never going to be 100,000 capacity. I would suggest that we should go a little over 100,000 as if we’re dead on that figure it’s unlikely we’ll ever reach 6 figures in reality. 100,500 👌
History and memories don't win you titles everything comes to an end eventually This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to build a new state of the art football stadium that will be here for the next 100 years and its not just the stadium registration is needed absolutely the whole project will benefit everyone long term and people should understand the importance of the future what is not to like about this project if we don't do this and keep the old stadium we will never be up there with the big giants football wise and also as a City Vote New Stadium its the smart thing to do Sometimes people can't let go of the past for me thats just lack of ambition and in a way Selfish meaning spoiling it for future generations who deserve the best in class that they don't have now So don't be left behind the times stuck in a time warp accept the future and experience the best ride at the fair this is gift horse starring us in the face lets not be talking memories and history from the past but from the beginning of a new era...🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰
call me a cynic, Andy, but I think asking the fans is simply a PR exercise. They will do what they want - it's their money. As a lad, I started going in early 70s and loved the noise and buzz of those times. But they've gone. I live in US now and I see some of the amazing stadia like Seattle's, Levi Stadium in Santa Clara, and SoFi. It's time we built something like that
I get the feeling they have already decided to knock old Trafford but are going to blame the fans by saying the majority want a new stadium regardless if it’s true or not
They did the same at Maine Road. Didn’t know one City fan who wanted to move then they said 95% or something daft voted in favour on a closed vote! They’ll just make the numbers fit the narrative as redevelopment comes with constant maintenance costs of old plant and they’ll want a new stadium so they can sell the living day lights out naming everything they can with some corporate nonsense!
Great vid Andy … I’d love nothing more than Old Trafford to be redeveloped … I just don’t think it can be done .. I think the New stadium idea is more appealing … if this does happens which it looks like it’s becoming more likely .. imagine the emotions on the final match to be played at Old Trafford 😢
Always said.. New stadium, built around the existing stadium, renovate and lower the capacity in OT to anything up to 20,000 and have that for the academy and women's teams, allowing them to play on the existing pitch.
Biuld a new stadium. One small problem lots of people have had there ashes scattered at Old Trafford. It doesn't bother me but some people might object
Fair play to them for asking the residents and the fans about it. This is something the Glazers wouldn't consider doing in a million years. I think even if they decide to build a 100,000 capacity stadium, they need to be thinking ahead and leave room all around it for more future development, because in 20-30 years they might want to expand it to 150,000 capacity.
If we build a new ground, it will be outdated in 20 years but we won't have any history or aura around it. it will just be another new stadium. People will talk about playing at the Nou Camp and bernabeu. Even Anfield. No players will ever talk about playing in a new iconic stadium. The iconic stadium is there and should be rejuvenated. Spurs fans have quickly gone off their new stadium. The emirates(roof leaking) and Wembley are terrible. Ticket prices in a new stadium will be expensive and they will put the club in 2BN debt. That will be 3BN in debt in total. They clubs only worth 5BN. However what you said about the housing is correct. I'm tired of seeing these high rise blocks going up but people want houses, not massive flats. If it does bring houses and not just flats then that will be good for the area. I'm with you about the stadium, Old Trafford isn't as bad as what people say. I want to go to a football ground, not an entertainment arena like America. I'm not sure I like the metallic look Spurs and Bayern have on the outside either. Everton's looks better.
If we build smart, it will not be outdated in 20 years. Seattle built theirs 22 years ago and it's still modern and 100 times better than OLD Trafford.
@@stretfordender11totally agree with all you said, very rational assessment. This is Manchester United, built upon a glorious history, we shouldn't aim to join the plastic masses
@@summan41man Agreed and it will likely be a plastic looking stadium from the outside as well. It will be a irreversible mistake. It worries me with people like Burnham getting involved as well. His party is littered with irreversible mistakes over the last 30 yrs. Also I watched Gary Neville say he went on holiday for 10 days and never left the villa. Not exactly the person I want involved in me having a good day out at the football.
@@MM-lw3veThis is what kills it for me. It’s like watching the match through a microscope. I hate to say this but the Etihad is a far better experience.
I've seen it mentioned lots of times but how are we ''getting left behind''? Barca, Liverpool Real are only doing major renovations to their stadiums now after 40-50 years of relatively little. United did that in the 90's, if anything we're ahead of them. And it has to be said a new stadium won't actually affect the teams fortunes on the pitch all that much if at all.
ST holder north stand 30 years.. responded to UTD survey.. build new for me. Look forwards not back, regenerate whole area and give fans something more to do in match day than buy a burger outside the ground!
A new stadium that has a 105,000 capacity. The equivalent capacity of the Camp Nou. A retractable roof is a must. 25,000 corporate leaving 80,000 general admission. The lower bowl should be similar in design to the current ground to give some continuity followed by the corporate tiers and then a massive top tier. Like the Azteca in Mexico…. The whole of the stretford and should be corporate free and with safe standing in the lower bowl.
Whatever happens, the roof design needs to be changed. the almost 45 degree sloping roof is a disaster in terms of atmosphere, sight lines and cascading water fountains when it rains.
Great channel! I dont want a new stadium but do want the best stadium in the world. it will be a waste and it is only 90k capacity if do get a new stadium
I was completely against a new stadium and wanted the stadium redeveloped or refurbished. But recently I was open to a new stadium with the possibility of keeping Old Trafford. With the latest news that retaining Old Trafford will not be possible with a new stadium, I’m unsure again.
Being from the States, it's hardly my position to tell the club what to do. However, having been to OT twice, I hope they build a world-class facility AND I hope they don't make it like so many newer American stadiums, where the fans have so much room that there is no atmosphere. Part of the reason the Stretford End is so loud is because they are on top of each other AND on top of the pitch. This needs to be a primary part of the design.
There will be far more legroom with larger seats and this is certain, modern regulations for new builds ensure this. You can't maximize capacity by packing 'em in like sardines like was done in the past, standards have changed.
@@SuperMagnum83 Right. I get that. They have to make sure there is enough vertical elevation between rows; if not, the people in the back half of the section are a mile away from the action. I know there is no way to please everyone, though. No matter what they do, there will be a faction of "they got it all wrong"!
I don't know, I just think the new stadium needs to be on the same site. When I watch United play at home I want to know that's the same piece of land that the Busby babes and George Best played on.
Memories only live in the minds of those who were there. Can't bring back the crush & sweating on the terrace of the 70's, anymore than the next generation would want it. Bulldoze OT but leave the old brick corner (Scorboard Paddock) Colosseum style. Along with the neon Manchester United lights. & Build us a Billion£ stadium to last the future. GGMU 🎉
no residential please, i want a man united themed theme park with rollercoasters and rides, i want rides that reach over the stadium so we can do loop the loop over a matchday
Unfortunately the current stadium is outdated. Redeveloping a new stadium is the best option. I get that people are drawn to the history, but we don't have to take it down, keep Old Trafford but for other events. We do have to build a new one though.
People/fans need to understand SJR will only be backing this with his money only when he buys all of United and becomes a majority owner . He’s not doing anything as a minority stake owner .He may need to outlay anywhere between 10-14bn for full club ownership and this huge Old Trafford infrastructure project . The glazers are the only people standing in the way of this right now , so until SJR buys them out this is just talk .
Filled mine out immediately. Very important people have their say. I dont mid what they do in most of it as long as theres more leg room and turnstiles that i can fit my fat ass thru😂
as much as it being a dream to keep old trafford - every building has a limit, which has, lets be honest, long past as it goes for capacity to 100,000 - a full spurs and a full leeds stadium in there would still have empty seats match day revenue alone will increase by several million
Brilliant Andy. Hope journalists who keep parroting the lie about United using public funds for the stadium will cease to do so and report that it's for the areas around the stadium such as rail links and regeneration etc
We need a new stadium. It will be less hassle and quicker than a redevelopment. Its an opportunity to surpass all other stadiums in the world with a design that fits the club. Time to move on.
I really dont know why there consulting 500.000 fans, what about the other 1 billion fans , what about there say. Its a bit like letting only ten percent of people vote for a new Prime minister, pointless . New stadium needed the fans deserve it.
I’ve gone back and forth on this for years. There was a time when I was dead set against a new build, and the thought of moving away from Old Trafford absolutely horrified me. In recent years, my view has changed. There is no bigger club than United, and we should have the best stadium on the planet. The soul of the club isn’t the bricks and mortar, it’s the fans. We’ll retain the atmosphere wherever we play. We should get Foster + Partners on board and create a world class 100,000 seater architectural masterpiece. One thing they have to get absolutely spot on is the exterior. I really don’t want it to look like the Bernabéu. That’s an awful looking stadium.
Consulting fans is just for show. It’s like when the council asks local residents for their opinions and then ignore them and do whatever they wanted in the first place.
You’re right Adam, the fans shouldn’t be naive enough to believe that they’re really going to take that into consideration. They’re going to build a new stadium, which I think is the best way. Nothing lasts forever. You can’t compare United to Real & Barca because they had legitimate places to play during construction.
The stadium should pay homage to industrial history of Trafford and red bricked monuments of Manchester. It should look like a fort, not a glass vulva/shopping campus. If your gonna knock OT build something classic
Sir Jim Legacy for next 100 years - New Stadium and redevelopment of Tafford Rverside with hotels and restuarants and bars on Riverside for 24.7 days week.. Manchester already attracted £250 Million private investment in New UK Biggest Water Park under development opposite Trafford Centre . The Whole area in Trafford is turning into UK Biggest Leisure Media Sports Hub eg Trafford Centre get 30 Million visitors a year and is 15 mins away by Tram to Old Trafford . The whole area can Turned into European biggest Leisure / Shopping / Sports Dinning area ( with Old Trafford / Riverside / Media City / UK Biggest Water Park with 15 Pools / Sauna and Trafford Centre - 24/7 - 365 days . We can have NFL / Concerts and Events at New Old Trafford .
INice one Andy i won’t 25k safe standing. In the new Stretford end try and bring the Atmosphere back like the 70ts 80ts cos I reckon you have not been to a proper game at OT till you have experience it I I go to National League games were better with better Atmosphere then Old Trafford the day standing went football died in the top flight 🇾🇪✌️🔰
Andy Mitten is at Old Trafford to talk about fans being consulted on the potential development and regeneration of the stadium
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You SHOULD be part of it Andy! I don't know anyone more qualified!
Andy is the biggest stadium nerd ever haha
Could listen to Andy all day. His heart is very much in this club isn't it. Top man
Literally anyone?
Old Trafford is antiquated, i got my email, it was certainly extensive, i saw my first Old Trafford game in 1959, I'll be sad to see it go, but it's the only way forward, best in class includes the stadium
I first went to OT 1956 omg that makes me very old, I spent my life in the construction business, there is only so much you can do when you refurbish a building it still has it's flaws, It's time to move on so it's a new stadium for me, the whole area redeveloped is the way to go, I can see the vision just hope I live long enough to see it completed, "United Center" we can have the Biggest Bar in the world,
Quality, informative reporting. Thank you, Andy. Greatly received. I was an eight or nine-year-old boy in the Stretford end in the 70's. I do wish they could fathom a way to bring back that great wall of noise maybe even standing but with inherent safety. Some way of making that end as formidable as it is possible to be.
Just to add, I'd like a steep stadium with fans close to the pitch. The biggest worry is a circular one with fans miles from the pitch. Whatever they do
well spoken as always, i too belive we should have a 100,00 seater stadium, no problem filling it, agre with the vip areas and defo keep the local fans engaged
Let Christians have a say
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That presentation was mintI’m now subscribed
We are so lucky to have you, Andy. Thank you for all you do for us.
Andy should be on that bloody task force. Keep us posted Andy. The voice of reason and the fans.
Thank you. 👍
Let's start from scratch, OT will be a huge loss, but we need a totally new stadium capable of holding 90 plus thousand, with all the modern features of a ground.
I would love to see it go over 100k capacity
Heart says upgrade old stadium, but head says build new stadium and improve the immediate area. The talk of lord Foster being the design architect for the new stadium is interesting as he designed the gherkin in London but more so he designed the Mclaren Technology centre in Woking which is probably about 20 years old or so now but still is impressive and feels modern. Sad but also exciting time to be a Manchester Utd fan.
You’re not exactly selling it with the gherkin are you
@@stretfordender11 🤣🤣🤣
Brilliantly put 🙏
Wise words Andy. I've already filled in the survey to have my say. A regeneration of the wider area is long overdue and a stadium upgrade can be the catalyst for it
Love your work Andy
Old Trafford is a magical place and there is no feeling that comes close after a goal’s been scored. My biggest fear is for that magic to disappear. Also the shape of the stadium and the architectural style makes it stand out. I’d hate it if they turned it into a Panini toaster like Madrid did. I feel like any new stadium should really feel intimidating and overwhelming to visit for opponents instead of the American stadium designs where they look impressive on the outside but too corporate and clean on the inside.
Well it’s not been intimidating since the 1970s and after that the club enjoyed most of its success so I doubt they’ll be thinking about that too much. All football is sanitised now anyway
If it’s a new stadium then let’s have a unique build, not a bird nest or copy of anything else. Keep up the hard word Andy ✊🇾🇪
Thanks Andy. Excellent as always
Thank you Andy. Voice of reason
If a new stadium is built current Old Trafford must be retained in some capacity. Club shop, cafe, museum could all stay and be added with more day to day club functions, the ultimate fan zone. As for funding the new stadium £50-£100million a season could help .
It’s the cost of staffing, maintaining and constantly upgrading old plant and fixtures and fittings that become prohibitive though in the long run
I never remember my dreams, but one stands out from about 3 or 4 years ago, where I was standing on terraces in an "immersive experience room" opposite the East Stand, but watching, on a huge screen, a live game which was going on at O.T. At the time I interpreted it as being for those who preferred to stand or alternatively couldn't get tickets for the sold out game next door. Weird how something vaguely similar could be in the offing.
The redevelopment options of a Old Trafford HAS to be the first priority, I got my email and took part in the form. I’m not against a new stadium by any means but when you think of how many generations of fans, legends who have been born on that very pitch, trophies won, countless emotions, memories, history, victories and the list can go on, there’s just too much at old Trafford for it to be abandoned. We’ve been through the worst period over this past decade, but old Trafford and the fans have been the heartbeat of it all and I want nothing more to continue lifting trophies there. I fear moving to a new stadium and it being lifeless and unsettling. I don’t have doubt in our fans as we have the best energy but will a new stadium be home? I’m not easily convinced with there...
I’d personally like a new stadium, but only on the promise it won’t be a SOFI’esq bowl. Even something that resembled the Lucas Oil stadium would be better with the red brick exterior. The stadium is a home, but as Andy mentioned, no matter the outcome and plan, it needs to serve a purpose to the local community.
well done Andy, as always
Andy, somewhere to watch away games as well as places to watch women’s and academy games would make it a destination! Please push for this, your voice is louder ❤
Excellent video Andy. You make some very good points. We all need to make our feelings known.
I’m for refurbishment personally. For me you can feel the history on every visit to Old Trafford. And just look at the Bernabéu, engineering in-place, can be done!
As fans though, we shouldn’t be taken in by the promise of something shinny and new. There will be a cost, and 100% we will pay for it in increased ticket costs, food and drink etc. They are trying to follow that American NFL model, where the costs to attend are high and dynamic pricing. Be wary!
Great work Andy as always 👏
As much as well all love Old Trafford, It’s time for a new stadium.
I agree
Cardiff regretted moving new stadium and sold their soul (no pun intended). Utd have the best atmosphere on its day in England. Like back against Barca in 2008, Ratcliffe is going to screw us over I feel, he hasn't gone enough pockets for building a new ground.
@@DaveSeville-sf1kubro our fans are literally helping the glazers to destroy this club
1 backing ten hag
2 protecting bad players rashford bruno shaw mount
3 new stadium
4 no standards
@@skanderkroumi865 people like you would have wanted fergy gone after 2 years - you aint no fan
@@matthewbaker2573 Yeah,What a melt
Went to my first game at Old Trafford in 1954, been to games after each new renovation and love that it's grown with the club through the decades. If the club demollish Old Trafford so be it but I think there's still life left in the old girl yet. Barca and Real are renovating their stadiums and both their stadiums instead of building new ones. And both those stadiums are older than the majority of Old Trafford as most of the current OT was only built in the last 30 years.
United are one of the only teams in England that can fill out 100k stadium. Easily. The atmosphere will be insane and it will bring back a sense of pride having one of the best stadiums in the world
Not really pal. Modern fans are hopeless. They’re more arsed about the WiFi, updating their social media and the half time scran than creating an atmosphere. The football crowd is just a microcosm of society as a whole.
@@languageoffootballexactly. What difference does another 25k make when 95% just sit there like dossers unless we score a goal? 😂
Old Trafford is full of consumers, the proper fans had enough of the politics, or couldn't afford it anymore.
Amazing video!
For me it has to be a new stadium. It's the only way we can have a stadium the club deserves, and it's the only way we can get the capacity we need. Sick of compromises and putting up with second best. It's not as though we're moving location, it'll be right behind the Stretford End.
The way I look at it...the only way the old ground can redeveloped to the standard needed is a full tear-down and rebuild. We'd have 10 years of disruption. The design and capacity will be compromised by squeezing it into that corner of the plot, and how it fits into the Wharfside project will be compromised as well. I don't see the point in making all those concessions just so that we can say that we've kept the pitch on the exact same footprint.
If I could keep OT and sit in the lower tier of Stretford or K or the first two tiers of SAF I’d be happy. If I was in the upper tiers I wouldn’t bother going. Those low roof lines kill the experience.
It’s got to be a move. We can improve on Spurs.
This guy should have way more subscribers than Stretford paddock and the United stand . Should be 500k subscribers at least !
Andy is absolutely brilliant at this type of reporting
Thanks Andy ❤
We need a future not just for those like me, supporting Utd since Docherty but we to consider future generations that have different requirements. A new stadium is the way to go that will facilitate future Utd fans.
This is an opportunity for us to become one of the best clubs in the world in terms of community and fan engagement.
Much as i love Andy and his unswerving loyalty to our club I can't agree with him that Old Trafford isn't beautiful. My heart still sings when I'm walking along Sir Matt Way to our icon of a ground, and i hate those oval "wrapped up" stadiums, whatever they are called. I do believe we need a new stadium, but hope ot won't just look like all the other new stadiums around the world We especially don't want an NFL dome type of thing.
Well said Andy
Nice one Andy…👍🏻
COSM was incredible - I see a massive future for them in the UK.
110,000
Steep.
No mid section like Wembley.
Reduced tickets prices for those living in the postcode.
For some minor games.. I.e fa cup 3rd round Vs Rotherham.. everybody under 13 free.
Minimum 30,000 standing.
No admittance to anybody with half & half scarfs.
Keep the stadium name as Old Trafford.
Unfortunately it is the small corporate middle tier that makes most of the money.
I think I’m right in saying that you’re coming round to the idea of a new stadium, Andy. I’m the same. The original OT, albeit redesigned, is never going to be 100,000 capacity. I would suggest that we should go a little over 100,000 as if we’re dead on that figure it’s unlikely we’ll ever reach 6 figures in reality. 100,500 👌
Andy M should be proud of the pro- United work he's done all his life 👏
History and memories don't win you titles everything comes to an end eventually This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to build a new state of the art football stadium that will be here for the next 100 years and its not just the stadium registration is needed absolutely the whole project will benefit everyone long term and people should understand the importance of the future what is not to like about this project if we don't do this and keep the old stadium we will never be up there with the big giants football wise and also as a City Vote New Stadium its the smart thing to do Sometimes people can't let go of the past for me thats just lack of ambition and in a way Selfish meaning spoiling it for future generations who deserve the best in class that they don't have now So don't be left behind the times stuck in a time warp accept the future and experience the best ride at the fair this is gift horse starring us in the face lets not be talking memories and history from the past but from the beginning of a new era...🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰
call me a cynic, Andy, but I think asking the fans is simply a PR exercise. They will do what they want - it's their money. As a lad, I started going in early 70s and loved the noise and buzz of those times. But they've gone. I live in US now and I see some of the amazing stadia like Seattle's, Levi Stadium in Santa Clara, and SoFi. It's time we built something like that
I get the feeling they have already decided to knock old Trafford but are going to blame the fans by saying the majority want a new stadium regardless if it’s true or not
A fixed survey? Entirely possible to do that as we see it in politics too.
They did the same at Maine Road. Didn’t know one City fan who wanted to move then they said 95% or something daft voted in favour on a closed vote! They’ll just make the numbers fit the narrative as redevelopment comes with constant maintenance costs of old plant and they’ll want a new stadium so they can sell the living day lights out naming everything they can with some corporate nonsense!
Great vid Andy … I’d love nothing more than Old Trafford to be redeveloped … I just don’t think it can be done .. I think the New stadium idea is more appealing … if this does happens which it looks like it’s becoming more likely .. imagine the emotions on the final match to be played at Old Trafford 😢
we need a new modern stadium would be the way forward so we can have a bigger capacity and close to the pitch for fans to view
Always said.. New stadium, built around the existing stadium, renovate and lower the capacity in OT to anything up to 20,000 and have that for the academy and women's teams, allowing them to play on the existing pitch.
Biuld a new stadium. One small problem lots of people have had there ashes scattered at Old Trafford. It doesn't bother me but some people might object
Fair play to them for asking the residents and the fans about it. This is something the Glazers wouldn't consider doing in a million years.
I think even if they decide to build a 100,000 capacity stadium, they need to be thinking ahead and leave room all around it for more future development, because in 20-30 years they might want to expand it to 150,000 capacity.
If we build a new ground, it will be outdated in 20 years but we won't have any history or aura around it. it will just be another new stadium. People will talk about playing at the Nou Camp and bernabeu. Even Anfield. No players will ever talk about playing in a new iconic stadium. The iconic stadium is there and should be rejuvenated. Spurs fans have quickly gone off their new stadium. The emirates(roof leaking) and Wembley are terrible. Ticket prices in a new stadium will be expensive and they will put the club in 2BN debt. That will be 3BN in debt in total. They clubs only worth 5BN. However what you said about the housing is correct. I'm tired of seeing these high rise blocks going up but people want houses, not massive flats. If it does bring houses and not just flats then that will be good for the area. I'm with you about the stadium, Old Trafford isn't as bad as what people say. I want to go to a football ground, not an entertainment arena like America. I'm not sure I like the metallic look Spurs and Bayern have on the outside either. Everton's looks better.
If we build smart, it will not be outdated in 20 years. Seattle built theirs 22 years ago and it's still modern and 100 times better than OLD Trafford.
@@DavidMenashe I don’t care about American arenas. New football grounds get old very quickly. The emirates, Leicester, the list goes on.
Look at Cardiffs new ground they can't fill it vs Ninian Park, they sold their soul (no pun intended)@@stretfordender11
@@stretfordender11totally agree with all you said, very rational assessment.
This is Manchester United, built upon a glorious history, we shouldn't aim to join the plastic masses
@@summan41man Agreed and it will likely be a plastic looking stadium from the outside as well. It will be a irreversible mistake. It worries me with people like Burnham getting involved as well. His party is littered with irreversible mistakes over the last 30 yrs. Also I watched Gary Neville say he went on holiday for 10 days and never left the villa. Not exactly the person I want involved in me having a good day out at the football.
I've come round to the new stadium idea, but I think it's important that it retains "Trafford" in its name. I would suggest Trafford Park.
Whatever happens please just give me leg room!
And get rid of that terrible low roof that stops you seeing the rest of the stadium in parts - is truly awful
@@MM-lw3veThis is what kills it for me. It’s like watching the match through a microscope. I hate to say this but the Etihad is a far better experience.
@@MM-lw3veso you want a circular stadium with fans miles from the pitch 😂😂
Take Old Trafford down and give us a modern stadium we’re getting left behind.we can take the memories with us.
I've seen it mentioned lots of times but how are we ''getting left behind''? Barca, Liverpool Real are only doing major renovations to their stadiums now after 40-50 years of relatively little. United did that in the 90's, if anything we're ahead of them. And it has to be said a new stadium won't actually affect the teams fortunes on the pitch all that much if at all.
ST holder north stand 30 years.. responded to UTD survey.. build new for me. Look forwards not back, regenerate whole area and give fans something more to do in match day than buy a burger outside the ground!
Which dilutes the process even more. We're going to the football not an entertainment centre
Gotta be new and the best.
Filled my survey out and appreciate being asked. Refurbish Old Trafford.
A new stadium that has a 105,000 capacity. The equivalent capacity of the Camp Nou. A retractable roof is a must.
25,000 corporate leaving 80,000 general admission. The lower bowl should be similar in design to the current ground to give some continuity followed by the corporate tiers and then a massive top tier. Like the Azteca in Mexico….
The whole of the stretford and should be corporate free and with safe standing in the lower bowl.
Whatever happens, the roof design needs to be changed. the almost 45 degree sloping roof is a disaster in terms of atmosphere, sight lines and cascading water fountains when it rains.
I’d love the current stadium to be saved and redeveloped. I just don’t know if it’s possible after almost 20 years of neglect 😢
Andy give me effing Effing effort ee
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Great channel! I dont want a new stadium but do want the best stadium in the world. it will be a waste and it is only 90k capacity if do get a new stadium
I was completely against a new stadium and wanted the stadium redeveloped or refurbished. But recently I was open to a new stadium with the possibility of keeping Old Trafford. With the latest news that retaining Old Trafford will not be possible with a new stadium, I’m unsure again.
Being from the States, it's hardly my position to tell the club what to do. However, having been to OT twice, I hope they build a world-class facility AND I hope they don't make it like so many newer American stadiums, where the fans have so much room that there is no atmosphere. Part of the reason the Stretford End is so loud is because they are on top of each other AND on top of the pitch. This needs to be a primary part of the design.
There will be far more legroom with larger seats and this is certain, modern regulations for new builds ensure this. You can't maximize capacity by packing 'em in like sardines like was done in the past, standards have changed.
@@SuperMagnum83 Right. I get that. They have to make sure there is enough vertical elevation between rows; if not, the people in the back half of the section are a mile away from the action. I know there is no way to please everyone, though. No matter what they do, there will be a faction of "they got it all wrong"!
I don't know, I just think the new stadium needs to be on the same site. When I watch United play at home I want to know that's the same piece of land that the Busby babes and George Best played on.
why cant we watch away a games from inside the stadium andy, put that forward please with your vote
My ❤ is red let's rebuild our stadium
Memories only live in the minds of those who were there. Can't bring back the crush & sweating on the terrace of the 70's, anymore than the next generation would want it. Bulldoze OT but leave the old brick corner (Scorboard Paddock) Colosseum style. Along with the neon Manchester United lights. & Build us a Billion£ stadium to last the future. GGMU 🎉
Over a100.000, not 90...don't miss this opportunity to be only the second club in Europe with this magical capacity.
no residential please, i want a man united themed theme park with rollercoasters and rides, i want rides that reach over the stadium so we can do loop the loop over a matchday
Haha that's exactly what the clowns are hoping for
Unfortunately the current stadium is outdated. Redeveloping a new stadium is the best option. I get that people are drawn to the history, but we don't have to take it down, keep Old Trafford but for other events. We do have to build a new one though.
Coming around to the idea of a new stadium as a necessity after years of asset sweating by the glazers
People/fans need to understand SJR will only be backing this with his money only when he buys all of United and becomes a majority owner . He’s not doing anything as a minority stake owner .He may need to outlay anywhere between 10-14bn for full club ownership and this huge Old Trafford infrastructure project . The glazers are the only people standing in the way of this right now , so until SJR buys them out this is just talk .
Filled mine out immediately. Very important people have their say. I dont mid what they do in most of it as long as theres more leg room and turnstiles that i can fit my fat ass thru😂
Never forgiven Seb Coe for throwing his 10p in over Rio’s ban
For me we need a New Stadium .
They will 100% build a new stadium.
name one new build thats great to go to'
Spurs, atletico ?
We need a new stadium
as much as it being a dream to keep old trafford - every building has a limit, which has, lets be honest, long past
as it goes for capacity to 100,000 - a full spurs and a full leeds stadium in there would still have empty seats
match day revenue alone will increase by several million
Brilliant Andy. Hope journalists who keep parroting the lie about United using public funds for the stadium will cease to do so and report that it's for the areas around the stadium such as rail links and regeneration etc
God the image of that yank stadium popping up broke my heart. If old trafford looks anything like that monstrosity in 10 years ill be gutted
I’ve had my say
We need a new stadium. It will be less hassle and quicker than a redevelopment. Its an opportunity to surpass all other stadiums in the world with a design that fits the club. Time to move on.
I really dont know why there consulting 500.000 fans, what about the other 1 billion fans , what about there say. Its a bit like letting only ten percent of people vote for a new Prime minister, pointless . New stadium needed the fans deserve it.
Mens and womens team season ticket holders and club members and executive members have been sent the survey, matchgoing fans
Thank you for not calling Real Madrid’s stadium “the Bernabow”
I’ve gone back and forth on this for years. There was a time when I was dead set against a new build, and the thought of moving away from Old Trafford absolutely horrified me. In recent years, my view has changed. There is no bigger club than United, and we should have the best stadium on the planet. The soul of the club isn’t the bricks and mortar, it’s the fans. We’ll retain the atmosphere wherever we play. We should get Foster + Partners on board and create a world class 100,000 seater architectural masterpiece. One thing they have to get absolutely spot on is the exterior. I really don’t want it to look like the Bernabéu. That’s an awful looking stadium.
Consulting fans is just for show. It’s like when the council asks local residents for their opinions and then ignore them and do whatever they wanted in the first place.
Phase 2 ... the one thats always promoted in the package & gets cancelled 😂
You’re right Adam, the fans shouldn’t be naive enough to believe that they’re really going to take that into consideration. They’re going to build a new stadium, which I think is the best way. Nothing lasts forever. You can’t compare United to Real & Barca because they had legitimate places to play during construction.
Andy, I've been going for a long time to Old Trafford. What do you think? What is your thoughts? Redevelopment or new stadium?
Andy talks about that in this video here
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@@unitedwestandmag Ah, thank you.
The stadium should pay homage to industrial history of Trafford and red bricked monuments of Manchester. It should look like a fort, not a glass vulva/shopping campus. If your gonna knock OT build something classic
Build over sìr bob and redellop our home old trafford
Sir Jim Legacy for next 100 years - New Stadium and redevelopment of Tafford Rverside with hotels and restuarants and bars on Riverside for 24.7 days week.. Manchester already attracted £250 Million private investment in New UK Biggest Water Park under development opposite Trafford Centre . The Whole area in Trafford is turning into UK Biggest Leisure Media Sports Hub eg Trafford Centre get 30 Million visitors a year and is 15 mins away by Tram to Old Trafford . The whole area can Turned into European biggest Leisure / Shopping / Sports Dinning area ( with Old Trafford / Riverside / Media City / UK Biggest Water Park with 15 Pools / Sauna and Trafford Centre - 24/7 - 365 days . We can have NFL / Concerts and Events at New Old Trafford .
There is too much history in those old, red bricks. Rebuild!
Keep the red bricks, Colosseum style with the Classic Manchester United neon of old. ... Build, world beating, glittering new behind the Stretford ✅
Rebuild old Trafford for gods sake! It’s irreplaceable!
INice one Andy i won’t 25k safe standing. In the new Stretford end try and bring the Atmosphere back like the 70ts 80ts cos I reckon you have not been to a proper game at OT till you have experience it I I go to National League games were better with better Atmosphere then Old Trafford the day standing went football died in the top flight 🇾🇪✌️🔰
I’m more concerned about the team