Releasing the character creator early and for free would be the best marketing. That would get people engaged. They’ll want to play the story for the character they’ve created. Just last night I went to create a character for another Inquisition run and when she got into the world she looked like a clown so I had to start all over again. If I could avoid that in the next game, that would be a preferable state for affairs. Actually if someone wants to make a game that is just a character creator with good music, I would probably pay a couple dollars for that.
I downloaded the Saint's Row character creator just to chill out. I have no intention of ever playing that game, but it's fun to just create characters (along with clothing choices). You'll probably have to provide your own music, though.
I'm with you, i can sit down and get real comfy in that character creator, as long as it takes. its part of the fun. Also I cant rush my Inquisitor. I need her to be 10/10 gorgeous so that Solas can regret everything.
Them pulling a Dragon’s Dogma 2 and releasing the character creator would be such a BIG deal. Like all the promotion from us fans just posting all our characters and making comments and extended marketing by us.
The beauty of releasing a free CC demo from a marketing standpoint is players would fall right into the sunk cost fallacy. Meaning, get them to invest so much effort upfront, that the only logical conclusion is to buy the game; else they will have wasted their time. 💡
Not only that. Graphics can impress. You can get really satisfied with how your Rook looks, and if they share it with the Inquisitor and worldstate customization, those things together could convince people to play the story. Especially if they excel in showing our characters as members of those factions, showing our specializations and an example of equipament from higher levels. Then there is sound and music. If the UI sounds are soothing and the music is beautiful and engaging, people can get even more inclined to play the full game.
@mikecassidy9185 I've followed Dragon Age fans who were involved in the beta testing for a long time. They're finally getting to talk about the game and they keep saying how much they enjoyed the snippets they played and how excited they are to play the full story. We're talking people like me who are far more interested in the story. So given they've has there hands on parts of the game, some much deeper in than the articles I really want to believe they're right about the story being good. These are people who I've always followed for Lore and story discussion and they're still very on brand talking about Lore and story stuff so can't really say anything about the gameplay
@@hannahevertson8306 While I think this game will be at least good, if not great, it's entirely possible that these beta testers are saying what Bioware want them to. I'm not saying they are, but I am saying, keep your expectations in check.
@jeremygott7709 honestly I'm pretty sure they're in check. While I'm not any kind of MMO player, so had nothing to do with Anthem. I'm well aware of just what Andromeda turned out to be. I'm certainly going to give this game a chance, and I'm finding I have hope for it. Hope, however, doesn't mean going in with hugely high expectations.
I don’t know how realistic it would be for BioWare to release the character creator early, but it would definitely be a good PR move. After Anthem and Andromeda, BioWare desperately needs a W, and the more positive press they can generate about Veilguard before release, the better.
There are months between now and release. Take heart ... it will ramp up. They've (at minimum) promised more on CC, gameplay, and accessibility before release.
@@AneirinRPG Except for the huge GI cover story that covered gameplay and subsequent articles that did so as well. Not to mention the Discord Q&A. But, I agree, a lot of attention has been paid to romance--but I think that's because it means a lot for many of their hardcore fan base.
@@Shepard1100 I do understand. I guess I just try to stay on the optimistic side of things. I know the devs are excited. Here's hoping the marketing team figures out a way to really gain traction when they ramp up.
What I would also like to know before it comes out is what the necessary specs for your computer will need to be so we are not rushing around trying to upgrade our computer in time for the game release.
@@jenniferatterton1587 hi I'm so sorrry it seems my original reply never sent, you can find the specs on the steam deck website under the tech section! Some of the hardware is custom for the teck but if i recall correctly it evens up to something like 16gb ram, geforce gtx 1050 graphics and about intel i5? Obviously give or take some but it's the best i managed to gather!
You’ve echoed exactly what I’ve been thinking for awhile my friend! I hope they *do* give us the CC early, and free at that! That would be a massive act of goodwill. Ghil Dirthalen just broke news that we’ll have a new roadmap, an honest to God release date and more peeks at Veilguard in August. August is going to be fun for a lot of us, I think! Thank you Jackdaw for carrying the torch for us!
I already sketched my Rook and came up with their backstory, so I am silently praying EA would go the Dragon's Dogma route... if not it'll be like you said - first 4 hours in CC trying to perfect my hero and next 5 crying while recreating my Inquisitor 😂
The first 24 hours of release just making our Rook and recreating our Inquisitor... I'm looking forward to it, but at the same time I'd love a pre-release CC like Dragon's Dogma 2, so we can create all our characters and then just import them into the game.
Nevermind Rook (jooking, I will spend so much time), now I have to spend a lot of time actually choosing which of my many inquisitors that is actually gonna be canon...
I mean, I want to start controlling my character as soon as possible when the game (hopefully) comes out so it would be ideal if they release an app or something to spend 12 hours on both Rook and the Inquisitor.
Agree with you completely, Jack! This is what we want! 😊 I spend hours on character creator, I would love time to get the exact look I want, while I wait.
Fully agreed here! The dream right now would be, release date announcement followed by gameplay and maybe following a quest to gwt an idea of structure then character creator! Bonus points if they let us save multiple character loadouts in preperation for different playthroughs
Going to leave a second comment when I watch as I have to go help my cousin with something but love to see you using your clout to advocate for early character creator 🙌🏻
From the title alone. I do get why they have held back from releasing a character creator demo. If I have heard correctly, parts of dragons dogma were leaked from data miners when they released their creator early.
Jack, you're forgetting that Veilguard will let you change Rook's appearance on the fly. So there's going to be no fear of messing up and having to restart. As for me, I have already created my Rook in DA2 and Inquisition and I'm playing through each as him just to get a feel for the play-style (also only bringing two party companions along). I have also already MoT'd my canon Inquisitor to look ten years older. So it shouldn't take me long in the CC to get my Rook into the game. For Inquisition I was creating my Inquisitor from scratch, and that took me three hours, part of which was just picking a good name. This time around I have a list of names ready. BUT!!! I still think BioWare should go with your idea and release the CC early so players can get everything ready for import. I think they should let us recreate the Hero and Champion as well.
For me, regardless, I'll wait until the game comes out to use CC because I see it as such an integral part of the experience. But, I love that you laid out a logical argument for your perspective. Really well done! For you (and all others who'd love the early CC), I hope their marketing team is listening.
It was so exciting when they released the character creator for Origins! We could even import the characters we made in it into the game when it was released. Why don't games do this anymore?
I think they should give that starting hour segment of the game they showed at the showcase. And if they are doing a video or showcase of the CC then release it after.
Honestly, I have no complaints about marketing as of now... however, I 100% agree that getting early access to their character creator would be awesome. I also tend to do self inserts for my initial playthrough so thats gonna be my Rook. I am just soo excited I cant wait!!!
Hey Jackdaw, have you seen the info going around that says EA will be releasing Veilguard in Q3, whatever that means, which is October 1 to December 31st, which gives us a date window at least. There are other videos about this and I'm hoping it's true
its legit. they had the earnings call yesterday. q3 fy25 runs from oct 1st-dec 31st so its either an oct/nov release sadly most likely nov so we still got three more months
I have to admit I don't understand people who self insert in video games. I guess it's because I spend most of my time wishing I was someone else, lol. Regardless, I can't wait to make my Rook as well Jackdaw, and I am crossing my fingers for a character creation demo. 😄
This is a really BIG ASK. I don't want ANYTHING to further delay DAV. We don't need a Character Creator it's a NICE TO HAVE. We NEED DAV to be released on schedule this FALL 2024! If they already had it in their production schedule FINE. This would further delay DAV if they did not plan for it. There is A LOT of work in developing a demo separate from the production release of a game. If they already planned to do that and it's on their production schedule, GREAT! I am for it, but no unnecessary delays!!
10+ hours in the character creator, then to undoubtedly make a choice down the line I wasnt fond of and instead of reloading, fully starting over. That, or I'd suddenly get the idea for a better Rook and I'd start from scratch again lmao.
I think there is plenty of time for advertising the game may not even come out till like November or December there is plenty of time but they should totally put out a demo all games should do a demo or release a character creator
This would really benefit DA players more than the character creator did DD2 players. With the way we will be able to change the world state in DA the Veilguard, plus the different dialogue choices that will change our relationships with the npcs in the game, we will definitely want to create multiple Rooks and Inquisitors.
What I want most is more show less tell. For me they've had their best moments in marketing when SHOWING stuff, like the Informer Article and the Gameplay Reveal Trailer. When every new bit of news I get is the exact same thing said slightly differently, it starts to get annoying. Like, "Yes, your CC is phenomenal, I heard you the first 5 times I'm not deaf, could I see it please?" Like the boy who cried wolf it makes me wanna stop looking or listening, and just wait until the game it out I guess. I'm still excited and everything it just get aggravating and sours the mood. Anyone can say anything, what one does makes the difference.
It would be awesome if all RPGs with a character creation would release a character creation portion before the game comes out. This would save so many of us so much time for when the game actually releases 😅
Honestly the most realistic i can imagine them doing this is kind of a middle ground of a separate character creation demo available early to anyone who preorders any version. Either way I'm hyped for spending all my time in character creation on Day One. That's all part of the experience for me!
I'd love a character creator demo! I've been seeing art already of Rooks, but I'm waiting until I get into CC and can see all these options they keep raving about before designing & drawing mine. Bioware should capitalize on how much free marketing their fanartists bring them by feeding us! I also think more big name games should be offering demos fullstop, so people can get a taste for them and see if they like the feel / gameplay before committing to the high price tag, especially newcomers to the franchise.
I could have sworn Dragon Age Origins has a standalone Character Creator for the PC, with mod capability. What it lacked was the ability to save your character, instead just giving you the opportunity to experiment with it a bit and record your numbers on a Word document or such. What I'm mostly hoping for is the Mass Effect Face Code system, allowing us to FAR more easily save faces we're really fond of, if they're not going to go the Dragon's Dogma 2 route and just save the characters' faces to be used later (ten character limit).
You could absolutely save and import your character into Origins from the standalone character creator. I'm old and did it many times. I still have it on my hard drive, last used for my most recent playthrough in December 2015.
I agree with what you said, if they would release CC they would quell some fears the fandom expressed. I personally would love it, but I think there was some post by devs where it was more alluded that CC will be showed but it will not be demo playable...But what I think they could do and it would again cater to public by providing more information about game and have people start planning their Rook's, is release background hisories for Rook. We have factions but do not have any information on race backgrounds, how it ties to factions, surnames etc. For me this is essential information for my Rook. I cannot start planning Rook history and who they are if I do not know how much they are going to be flashed out directly in game (set past events that got them to faction, etc.). I mean I could do it and just come up with whole history only have it retconned on Day 1 once I see what actual backgrounds are available. But again this is something ot all funs do, not everyone is planning ahead, creating the character, but it would be nice :)
I'd love a character creator. Bioware is making some pretty big claims about their character creator this time around and it'd be nice to see them put their money where their mouth is and actually show us what we can do. Let us make our Rooks and recreate older versions of our Inquisitors. I spend hours in character creators that promise less, so I'd be all for this. I don't agree about letting us hear the voice lines for the different Rook voices though...The actors are currently on strike, EA is one of the biggest hold outs on any meaningful agreements and I think it'd be scummy of them. Yes, it's previously recorded dialog for a mostly finished game, but it still feels like it'd be using their work to promote the game while they're on strike and actively not promoting the game as part of the strike.
It’s been confirmed that veilguard will release in Q3 after NHL 25 so that window is between mid October to mid November Knowing this I would assume before the end of August or start of September we get news about character creations hopefully
I would pre-order right now if it came with early access to the character creator but I do think it's just a good marketing tool to release it for free.
All we got to hope is that we can get to play the game, normally all new games tend to crash or bug out and need update patches so fingers crossed its playable 😂
My first rook is going to be a jacked elf who looks like he could bench press a mountain. If the elven model doesn't allow for this, I'll go human. He's going to be a mage (a bit of an inside joke) who grew up as an assassin for the Crowes.
I think this would be the perfect way to market, should be pretty easy for them to implement and then the fans will do so much in terms of social media and spreading the word. Would relieve some anxiety I have of the time I spend in character creator too, I’ve waited so long for this game that I don’t want to be rushing through CC to get started but I’m going to be so excited to get into the game too that I will be conflicted of spending too long in CC. This would be the perfect solution
I personally don't care for a character demo; and I usually spend actual hours in it. It won't tick off any "want to play dragon age" feelings I have as I won't get to actually play, and I kind of don't see why the push for this 'cause like... I don't know, seems redundant.
So good to have height differences in the character creation. One of the few disappointments I have with some of my favorite games is not only not being able to change the height, but also all the npcs are all the same height.
Luckily Dragon Age The Veilguard is in Frostbite the same engine Dragon Age Inquisition is built on. So why not upgrade the DAI engine and release an engine update giving access to the character creator from The Veilguard probably some hair assets included. That then let veteran players play DAI with their new Inquisitor look and lets you build your new Rook ready for The Veilguard. The patient player community and EA/Bioware both WIN.....
Hopefully a Demo will come in either August or September. I just want to make sure that Veilguard has all of the customization options that the news updates promised. I bet it will be a bit similar to the character creators in games such as Baldur's Gate 3, Hogwarts Legacy, Fenyx Immortal Rising and Dragon's Dogma 2. I just want to make My Elven Rook look like Denji from Chainsaw Man, My Dwarven Rook look like Sophitia from Soul Calibur, My Human Rook look like Touka from Tokyo Ghoul and My Qunari Rook look like Goliath from Gargoyles.
The marketing efforts so far have definitely stumbled out of the gate. The key to building real hype is to focus on showcasing more of the actual gameplay. Most players don't read written interviews, so even an hour-long interview with a developer in Game Informer won't make a significant impact. To generate real excitement, it's crucial to start prominently displaying the game itself.
What I do now, after my second playthrough of Elden Ring, is type in hot character creator into TH-cam, and follow a step by step guide of how they did it haha. Nothing worse than spending all that time in the creator, and then as soon as the game starts, your character looks nothing like what you envisioned. I only recently finished inquisition for the first time, and had to change her face three times via the emporium. Couldn’t do the TH-cam character method this time though due to parts of the character creator being a bit crap (the bit where you have to actually manipulate the angles of the face).
My problem is not spending too much time in the character creator, it's playing the first two levels/dungeons 10 times, as I try out different characters until I find the right one. No one can save me from myself. I also hated in Inquisition how you couldn't tell that lips would look super glossy and the green eyes were piercing and unnatural until your character got out of prison and into the sunlight.
I really need that character creator demo the rook in the gameplay trailer looked really good but I am undecided on my rook i need to see what i am working with and the surnames attached to the backgrounds so i can craft their lore. It would be great pr as well i don't think i'm going to get the game on release i'll probably wait to get a better look at it but a demo might get me hyped enough to buy on release
Would definitely love to have the CC before the game. I will probs spend hours in there so will be good to take my time b4 getting into the game! I reckon my Inqusisitor will take longer than my Rook as ive spent years and many gameplays prefecting her 😂
Though the early CC from Dragon's Dogma was cool, I don't need it in Veilguard. Creating the character is part of the game, so I'm happy to start day one and take as much time as I need to make my Rook. It would be great marketing though, as you said.
I would love a demo character creater. I got the DD2 one and then bought the game even though I haven't played Dragon's Dogma before, so I think that would work for DAV too. Also I want to be able to spend as long as I want creating my Rook and my Inquisitor before DAV is released so I can just import them and start playing straight away.
A free demo is a great way for us to get a feeling for if our device can even run the game 😅 I'm pretty sure I remember Mark Darrah talking about why many games now don't tend to release demos (compared to the past)... Title is "Demos, Early Access, Betas: Things that are harder" The Keep already has DAO's character creator as a stand-alone app, putting DATV's there (along with Steam/etc) would also get new fans to peek into the extensive franchise just by logging in to the Keep. It's also a great idea for those of us who can't take leave off work or have classes when the game releases: having the possibility to dedicate even 20 minutes a day early in the character creation would allow us to start playing without worrying too much about "oh Maker I need to silence every spoiler hashtag and mute my mutuals to not get spoiled in the first week" because we're still not past the prologue 😂
I actually would be okay with the deluxe edition having early access. It's a standard for a lot of games at this point. (And i kind of like being able to get the early access. Although, i would've bought the expensive edition anyways.)
EA have that big ol' Star Wars game coming out before Veilguard, and I can't imagine they want to go heavy into marketing untill that's been out for a little while. They're not going to want to be competing against their own other big single player game.
This is obviously the best solution! Aside from all the other great points you've mentioned, it would also be a good way to soothe the worries of those people who still think the game will be bad because of the artstyle in the companion reveal trailer. We already know the style in-game will be different, but there's bound to be people who just stopped caring after that, who have made up their minds that they won't like it. So what better way to change their minds than to give them a character creation demo, where they can try stuff out and see for themselved the gorgeous artstyle of the game and the awesome characters they can create? I'm sure that will bring a lot of those negative nancies' back over to the hype side of the fandom!
if they offered us a demo that had the char creator and maybe a bit of the start of the game I'd be down for paying for it if it's priced fairly now if it's just the char creator and nothing else it better be free
The problem on day 1 release won't be character creator, it will be the EA app crashing from the massive downloads and then having to wait a few days for them to fix it.
I just wanna see it. I don't care what they SAY the character creator is like, I need to see it for myself to decide how cool it is lol just LET ME SEE IT.
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Releasing the character creator early and for free would be the best marketing. That would get people engaged. They’ll want to play the story for the character they’ve created. Just last night I went to create a character for another Inquisition run and when she got into the world she looked like a clown so I had to start all over again. If I could avoid that in the next game, that would be a preferable state for affairs.
Actually if someone wants to make a game that is just a character creator with good music, I would probably pay a couple dollars for that.
I downloaded the Saint's Row character creator just to chill out. I have no intention of ever playing that game, but it's fun to just create characters (along with clothing choices). You'll probably have to provide your own music, though.
I'm with you, i can sit down and get real comfy in that character creator, as long as it takes. its part of the fun. Also I cant rush my Inquisitor. I need her to be 10/10 gorgeous so that Solas can regret everything.
Them pulling a Dragon’s Dogma 2 and releasing the character creator would be such a BIG deal. Like all the promotion from us fans just posting all our characters and making comments and extended marketing by us.
The beauty of releasing a free CC demo from a marketing standpoint is players would fall right into the sunk cost fallacy. Meaning, get them to invest so much effort upfront, that the only logical conclusion is to buy the game; else they will have wasted their time. 💡
Not only that. Graphics can impress. You can get really satisfied with how your Rook looks, and if they share it with the Inquisitor and worldstate customization, those things together could convince people to play the story. Especially if they excel in showing our characters as members of those factions, showing our specializations and an example of equipament from higher levels. Then there is sound and music. If the UI sounds are soothing and the music is beautiful and engaging, people can get even more inclined to play the full game.
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I would actually pay for a stand alone mini game that is just the character creator. As an author and artist it could be so useful.
Same i would too
You're in luck, that's probably gonna be the only good thing about this game.
@mikecassidy9185 I've followed Dragon Age fans who were involved in the beta testing for a long time. They're finally getting to talk about the game and they keep saying how much they enjoyed the snippets they played and how excited they are to play the full story. We're talking people like me who are far more interested in the story. So given they've has there hands on parts of the game, some much deeper in than the articles I really want to believe they're right about the story being good. These are people who I've always followed for Lore and story discussion and they're still very on brand talking about Lore and story stuff so can't really say anything about the gameplay
@@hannahevertson8306 While I think this game will be at least good, if not great, it's entirely possible that these beta testers are saying what Bioware want them to. I'm not saying they are, but I am saying, keep your expectations in check.
@jeremygott7709 honestly I'm pretty sure they're in check. While I'm not any kind of MMO player, so had nothing to do with Anthem. I'm well aware of just what Andromeda turned out to be. I'm certainly going to give this game a chance, and I'm finding I have hope for it. Hope, however, doesn't mean going in with hugely high expectations.
I don’t know how realistic it would be for BioWare to release the character creator early, but it would definitely be a good PR move. After Anthem and Andromeda, BioWare desperately needs a W, and the more positive press they can generate about Veilguard before release, the better.
While I'm cautiously optimistic, their lack of marketing is concerning
All marketing is focused on who you can romance and see naked not on gameplay unfortunately
There are months between now and release. Take heart ... it will ramp up. They've (at minimum) promised more on CC, gameplay, and accessibility before release.
@@AneirinRPG Except for the huge GI cover story that covered gameplay and subsequent articles that did so as well. Not to mention the Discord Q&A. But, I agree, a lot of attention has been paid to romance--but I think that's because it means a lot for many of their hardcore fan base.
@virginiamurr3703 I guess my concern is that while I love Bioware, they do have a reputation. For delays close to launch and shotty marketing
@@Shepard1100 I do understand. I guess I just try to stay on the optimistic side of things. I know the devs are excited. Here's hoping the marketing team figures out a way to really gain traction when they ramp up.
LUL its gunna look real funny when my Warden, Hawke, Inquisitor, and Veilguard get together and they are ALL THE SAME PERSON xD
What I would also like to know before it comes out is what the necessary specs for your computer will need to be so we are not rushing around trying to upgrade our computer in time for the game release.
We do know it's steam deck verified, so for now I'm using those specs as a baseline!
What specs are they@@Argivaris and where can I find them please?
@@jenniferatterton1587 hi I'm so sorrry it seems my original reply never sent, you can find the specs on the steam deck website under the tech section! Some of the hardware is custom for the teck but if i recall correctly it evens up to something like 16gb ram, geforce gtx 1050 graphics and about intel i5?
Obviously give or take some but it's the best i managed to gather!
This would be perfect tbh I want to create my Rook so bad
Imagine dunking on a multibillion dollar marketing machine with one video
Checkmate
Me: *Tries to sleep*
Body: *Wakes up at 4am wondering how weird and horrid I will make my Veil Jumper Rook*
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You’ve echoed exactly what I’ve been thinking for awhile my friend!
I hope they *do* give us the CC early, and free at that! That would be a massive act of goodwill. Ghil Dirthalen just broke news that we’ll have a new roadmap, an honest to God release date and more peeks at Veilguard in August.
August is going to be fun for a lot of us, I think! Thank you Jackdaw for carrying the torch for us!
You tell 'em, King!!
I absolutely want a demo to so it can quell my desire to play it now
It sure did a lot of good for capcom, the bonus being actually playing the game when it released! It created a lot of positive buzz.
An early character creator would be such good marketing! Or would love for them to do early access if you preorder.
I already sketched my Rook and came up with their backstory, so I am silently praying EA would go the Dragon's Dogma route... if not it'll be like you said - first 4 hours in CC trying to perfect my hero and next 5 crying while recreating my Inquisitor 😂
I made my Inquisitor look exactly like my Hawke, so when he appeared in Inquisition it was so funny...I'll have to do it again.
The first 24 hours of release just making our Rook and recreating our Inquisitor... I'm looking forward to it, but at the same time I'd love a pre-release CC like Dragon's Dogma 2, so we can create all our characters and then just import them into the game.
I agree. I need at least 75+ hours on my character creations. I see that as a Great idea. Perfection takes time.
Nevermind Rook (jooking, I will spend so much time), now I have to spend a lot of time actually choosing which of my many inquisitors that is actually gonna be canon...
I mean, I want to start controlling my character as soon as possible when the game (hopefully) comes out so it would be ideal if they release an app or something to spend 12 hours on both Rook and the Inquisitor.
Agree with you completely, Jack! This is what we want! 😊 I spend hours on character creator, I would love time to get the exact look I want, while I wait.
I’m def gonna play DAI after watching this
Fully agreed here!
The dream right now would be, release date announcement followed by gameplay and maybe following a quest to gwt an idea of structure then character creator!
Bonus points if they let us save multiple character loadouts in preperation for different playthroughs
Going to leave a second comment when I watch as I have to go help my cousin with something but love to see you using your clout to advocate for early character creator 🙌🏻
From the title alone. I do get why they have held back from releasing a character creator demo. If I have heard correctly, parts of dragons dogma were leaked from data miners when they released their creator early.
This would cement my purchase because I get so invested in the character I've created all I want is to play it 😊
If it is something they are proud of, then they should show it! There is no reason to keep bragging about it with nothing to show. :)
I want my Inky and Sera to be *chef's kiss* with the Character Creator
Jack, you're forgetting that Veilguard will let you change Rook's appearance on the fly. So there's going to be no fear of messing up and having to restart. As for me, I have already created my Rook in DA2 and Inquisition and I'm playing through each as him just to get a feel for the play-style (also only bringing two party companions along). I have also already MoT'd my canon Inquisitor to look ten years older. So it shouldn't take me long in the CC to get my Rook into the game. For Inquisition I was creating my Inquisitor from scratch, and that took me three hours, part of which was just picking a good name. This time around I have a list of names ready. BUT!!! I still think BioWare should go with your idea and release the CC early so players can get everything ready for import. I think they should let us recreate the Hero and Champion as well.
For me, regardless, I'll wait until the game comes out to use CC because I see it as such an integral part of the experience. But, I love that you laid out a logical argument for your perspective. Really well done! For you (and all others who'd love the early CC), I hope their marketing team is listening.
It was so exciting when they released the character creator for Origins! We could even import the characters we made in it into the game when it was released. Why don't games do this anymore?
OMG, I love that "Dragon Age: Taylor's Version" now I need my Rook to look like her. :D
I think they should give that starting hour segment of the game they showed at the showcase. And if they are doing a video or showcase of the CC then release it after.
I would love the CC. But it's summer now, so i won't play anything until autumn anyway.
This game looks great to me ❤
Honestly, I have no complaints about marketing as of now... however, I 100% agree that getting early access to their character creator would be awesome. I also tend to do self inserts for my initial playthrough so thats gonna be my Rook. I am just soo excited I cant wait!!!
Hey Jackdaw, have you seen the info going around that says EA will be releasing Veilguard in Q3, whatever that means, which is October 1 to December 31st, which gives us a date window at least. There are other videos about this and I'm hoping it's true
its legit. they had the earnings call yesterday. q3 fy25 runs from oct 1st-dec 31st so its either an oct/nov release sadly most likely nov so we still got three more months
I have to admit I don't understand people who self insert in video games. I guess it's because I spend most of my time wishing I was someone else, lol. Regardless, I can't wait to make my Rook as well Jackdaw, and I am crossing my fingers for a character creation demo. 😄
This is a really BIG ASK. I don't want ANYTHING to further delay DAV. We don't need a Character Creator it's a NICE TO HAVE. We NEED DAV to be released on schedule this FALL 2024! If they already had it in their production schedule FINE. This would further delay DAV if they did not plan for it. There is A LOT of work in developing a demo separate from the production release of a game. If they already planned to do that and it's on their production schedule, GREAT! I am for it, but no unnecessary delays!!
ea earnings call dropped yesterday its dropping fall of this year no worries we waiting till november though... q3 fy25 runs from oct-dec
10+ hours in the character creator, then to undoubtedly make a choice down the line I wasnt fond of and instead of reloading, fully starting over. That, or I'd suddenly get the idea for a better Rook and I'd start from scratch again lmao.
Would be nice if they did something like Dragon's Dogma 2. I'm not sure they want to, but it would be great for them and fans. We'll see.
Hear hear! Do it Dragon's Dogma 2 style 😍😍😍 Hope Bioware and EA are watching this!
i want to make my new grey warden soo much a demo is the perfect answer and wouid be a neat response from bioware for us
Dragon age inquisition had a free 10 hour trial as well, before the ea play stuff.
I think there is plenty of time for advertising the game may not even come out till like November or December there is plenty of time but they should totally put out a demo all games should do a demo or release a character creator
I'm worrying more about my inquisitor apperance than Rook's
I would love to be able to create all of my rooks in cc and save them for future gameplays💕
They did *years* ago release the demo for DA2. I can't remember if the CC was part of it?
I had the demo on PC and no, there was no character creator. You just pick what class you wanted and what gender. The models were default.
Please EA, just give us the CC for free early. Itl get you so much good PR
This would really benefit DA players more than the character creator did DD2 players. With the way we will be able to change the world state in DA the Veilguard, plus the different dialogue choices that will change our relationships with the npcs in the game, we will definitely want to create multiple Rooks and Inquisitors.
I think it would be great way to get people into the game who wouldn't normally buy it. It worked for Dragons dogma 2.
Ope just got to that part in the video
What I want most is more show less tell. For me they've had their best moments in marketing when SHOWING stuff, like the Informer Article and the Gameplay Reveal Trailer.
When every new bit of news I get is the exact same thing said slightly differently, it starts to get annoying. Like, "Yes, your CC is phenomenal, I heard you the first 5 times I'm not deaf, could I see it please?"
Like the boy who cried wolf it makes me wanna stop looking or listening, and just wait until the game it out I guess.
I'm still excited and everything it just get aggravating and sours the mood. Anyone can say anything, what one does makes the difference.
It would be awesome if all RPGs with a character creation would release a character creation portion before the game comes out.
This would save so many of us so much time for when the game actually releases 😅
I just finished another playthrough of Inquisition (playthrough 12) and im ready and waiting
Even though I’m playing inquisition right now i still consider myself a casual
I think EA released demo like this for the Sims 4 when it was coming out… it would be really cool
Honestly the most realistic i can imagine them doing this is kind of a middle ground of a separate character creation demo available early to anyone who preorders any version. Either way I'm hyped for spending all my time in character creation on Day One. That's all part of the experience for me!
I'd love a character creator demo! I've been seeing art already of Rooks, but I'm waiting until I get into CC and can see all these options they keep raving about before designing & drawing mine. Bioware should capitalize on how much free marketing their fanartists bring them by feeding us!
I also think more big name games should be offering demos fullstop, so people can get a taste for them and see if they like the feel / gameplay before committing to the high price tag, especially newcomers to the franchise.
I could have sworn Dragon Age Origins has a standalone Character Creator for the PC, with mod capability. What it lacked was the ability to save your character, instead just giving you the opportunity to experiment with it a bit and record your numbers on a Word document or such.
What I'm mostly hoping for is the Mass Effect Face Code system, allowing us to FAR more easily save faces we're really fond of, if they're not going to go the Dragon's Dogma 2 route and just save the characters' faces to be used later (ten character limit).
You could absolutely save and import your character into Origins from the standalone character creator. I'm old and did it many times. I still have it on my hard drive, last used for my most recent playthrough in December 2015.
I agree with what you said, if they would release CC they would quell some fears the fandom expressed. I personally would love it, but I think there was some post by devs where it was more alluded that CC will be showed but it will not be demo playable...But what I think they could do and it would again cater to public by providing more information about game and have people start planning their Rook's, is release background hisories for Rook. We have factions but do not have any information on race backgrounds, how it ties to factions, surnames etc. For me this is essential information for my Rook. I cannot start planning Rook history and who they are if I do not know how much they are going to be flashed out directly in game (set past events that got them to faction, etc.). I mean I could do it and just come up with whole history only have it retconned on Day 1 once I see what actual backgrounds are available. But again this is something ot all funs do, not everyone is planning ahead, creating the character, but it would be nice :)
Valid points for sure!
A character creator as a demo while we wait for the full release would be cool. ❤ I hope we get any demo though.
I'd love a character creator. Bioware is making some pretty big claims about their character creator this time around and it'd be nice to see them put their money where their mouth is and actually show us what we can do. Let us make our Rooks and recreate older versions of our Inquisitors. I spend hours in character creators that promise less, so I'd be all for this.
I don't agree about letting us hear the voice lines for the different Rook voices though...The actors are currently on strike, EA is one of the biggest hold outs on any meaningful agreements and I think it'd be scummy of them. Yes, it's previously recorded dialog for a mostly finished game, but it still feels like it'd be using their work to promote the game while they're on strike and actively not promoting the game as part of the strike.
It’s been confirmed that veilguard will release in Q3 after NHL 25 so that window is between mid October to mid November
Knowing this I would assume before the end of August or start of September we get news about character creations hopefully
I would pre-order right now if it came with early access to the character creator but I do think it's just a good marketing tool to release it for free.
All we got to hope is that we can get to play the game, normally all new games tend to crash or bug out and need update patches so fingers crossed its playable 😂
My first rook is going to be a jacked elf who looks like he could bench press a mountain. If the elven model doesn't allow for this, I'll go human. He's going to be a mage (a bit of an inside joke) who grew up as an assassin for the Crowes.
I think this would be the perfect way to market, should be pretty easy for them to implement and then the fans will do so much in terms of social media and spreading the word. Would relieve some anxiety I have of the time I spend in character creator too, I’ve waited so long for this game that I don’t want to be rushing through CC to get started but I’m going to be so excited to get into the game too that I will be conflicted of spending too long in CC. This would be the perfect solution
Thank you for the content Jack!
I want the character creator so bad, I hope they release it in a demo like dragons dogma 😭
I personally don't care for a character demo; and I usually spend actual hours in it. It won't tick off any "want to play dragon age" feelings I have as I won't get to actually play, and I kind of don't see why the push for this 'cause like... I don't know, seems redundant.
I had sooooo much fun with Dragons Dogma 2's character creator. Lol I hope Bioware does this too! That would be so awesome.
So good to have height differences in the character creation. One of the few disappointments I have with some of my favorite games is not only not being able to change the height, but also all the npcs are all the same height.
Who's playing inquisition again right now? 🙋♂️🤣
Origins
Luckily Dragon Age The Veilguard is in Frostbite the same engine Dragon Age Inquisition is built on. So why not upgrade the DAI engine and release an engine update giving access to the character creator from The Veilguard probably some hair assets included. That then let veteran players play DAI with their new Inquisitor look and lets you build your new Rook ready for The Veilguard. The patient player community and EA/Bioware both WIN.....
Unless the CC sucks ass, it’s a win win situation. We can create our Rooks and BioWare generates more hype and traction.
Hopefully a Demo will come in either August or September. I just want to make sure that Veilguard has all of the customization options that the news updates promised. I bet it will be a bit similar to the character creators in games such as Baldur's Gate 3, Hogwarts Legacy, Fenyx Immortal Rising and Dragon's Dogma 2. I just want to make My Elven Rook look like Denji from Chainsaw Man, My Dwarven Rook look like Sophitia from Soul Calibur, My Human Rook look like Touka from Tokyo Ghoul and My Qunari Rook look like Goliath from Gargoyles.
The marketing efforts so far have definitely stumbled out of the gate. The key to building real hype is to focus on showcasing more of the actual gameplay. Most players don't read written interviews, so even an hour-long interview with a developer in Game Informer won't make a significant impact. To generate real excitement, it's crucial to start prominently displaying the game itself.
What I do now, after my second playthrough of Elden Ring, is type in hot character creator into TH-cam, and follow a step by step guide of how they did it haha. Nothing worse than spending all that time in the creator, and then as soon as the game starts, your character looks nothing like what you envisioned. I only recently finished inquisition for the first time, and had to change her face three times via the emporium. Couldn’t do the TH-cam character method this time though due to parts of the character creator being a bit crap (the bit where you have to actually manipulate the angles of the face).
I hope that I can also make my Inquisitor the short prince he is meant to be.
My problem is not spending too much time in the character creator, it's playing the first two levels/dungeons 10 times, as I try out different characters until I find the right one. No one can save me from myself. I also hated in Inquisition how you couldn't tell that lips would look super glossy and the green eyes were piercing and unnatural until your character got out of prison and into the sunlight.
I intend to make 6+ Rooks. The DAtV character creator would be one of my top played games of the year.
Tbh all games need a demo so we can try the games before we buy. Used to be standard procedure
I really need that character creator demo the rook in the gameplay trailer looked really good but I am undecided on my rook i need to see what i am working with and the surnames attached to the backgrounds so i can craft their lore. It would be great pr as well i don't think i'm going to get the game on release i'll probably wait to get a better look at it but a demo might get me hyped enough to buy on release
Would definitely love to have the CC before the game. I will probs spend hours in there so will be good to take my time b4 getting into the game! I reckon my Inqusisitor will take longer than my Rook as ive spent years and many gameplays prefecting her 😂
Though the early CC from Dragon's Dogma was cool, I don't need it in Veilguard. Creating the character is part of the game, so I'm happy to start day one and take as much time as I need to make my Rook. It would be great marketing though, as you said.
I would love a demo character creater. I got the DD2 one and then bought the game even though I haven't played Dragon's Dogma before, so I think that would work for DAV too. Also I want to be able to spend as long as I want creating my Rook and my Inquisitor before DAV is released so I can just import them and start playing straight away.
I feel like when they release a character creator they will release it when they officially announce the game's release date
Thanks ... even if i don't always agree with you sir, But your works appreciated.
A free demo is a great way for us to get a feeling for if our device can even run the game 😅
I'm pretty sure I remember Mark Darrah talking about why many games now don't tend to release demos (compared to the past)... Title is "Demos, Early Access, Betas: Things that are harder"
The Keep already has DAO's character creator as a stand-alone app, putting DATV's there (along with Steam/etc) would also get new fans to peek into the extensive franchise just by logging in to the Keep.
It's also a great idea for those of us who can't take leave off work or have classes when the game releases: having the possibility to dedicate even 20 minutes a day early in the character creation would allow us to start playing without worrying too much about "oh Maker I need to silence every spoiler hashtag and mute my mutuals to not get spoiled in the first week" because we're still not past the prologue 😂
I would love to see this. I was just thinking about this awhile ago bc of how long it takes me to make a character.
yeah, they just need to make sure to remove any explict details from the code so it doesn't get datamined and spoiled
I actually would be okay with the deluxe edition having early access. It's a standard for a lot of games at this point. (And i kind of like being able to get the early access. Although, i would've bought the expensive edition anyways.)
EA have that big ol' Star Wars game coming out before Veilguard, and I can't imagine they want to go heavy into marketing untill that's been out for a little while. They're not going to want to be competing against their own other big single player game.
This is obviously the best solution!
Aside from all the other great points you've mentioned, it would also be a good way to soothe the worries of those people who still think the game will be bad because of the artstyle in the companion reveal trailer. We already know the style in-game will be different, but there's bound to be people who just stopped caring after that, who have made up their minds that they won't like it.
So what better way to change their minds than to give them a character creation demo, where they can try stuff out and see for themselved the gorgeous artstyle of the game and the awesome characters they can create? I'm sure that will bring a lot of those negative nancies' back over to the hype side of the fandom!
if they offered us a demo that had the char creator and maybe a bit of the start of the game I'd be down for paying for it if it's priced fairly now if it's just the char creator and nothing else it better be free
The problem on day 1 release won't be character creator, it will be the EA app crashing from the massive downloads and then having to wait a few days for them to fix it.
the game will be on Steam as well
I just wanna see it. I don't care what they SAY the character creator is like, I need to see it for myself to decide how cool it is lol just LET ME SEE IT.