Hello, I have a Sony EVS700U. EVS900 which could be used as a digital audio recorder and playback machine with 6 * four two track stereo hours of digital audio recording with a total of 24 hours of digital audio per cassette. The whole width of the tape was taken over to PCM audio stereo recording. I used to re one PCM Layer to Rock one for Country one for Heavy Metal etc. Fantastic machines which I have serviced and still working though I have purchased one extra of each for parts if needed. Sony in the 80/90s brought out one innovative tech but lost their way unfortunately a little like Apple with Steve Jobs. I look back with fondness when I listened to the machine of my youth. Just Brilliant!
I had a client give me one of these EVS-7000 decks a while back, one of those clients that has tons of money to buy expensive crap and then never use it, he was going to throw it out if I didn't want it. He also gave me his CCD-VX3 and EVW-300 that he'd bought new. The deck has about 10 hours on it and still works flawlessly to this day. The majority of these (and similar) decks I see all have that problem though. I've had to fix numerous decks with the busted gear. I had a similar problem on an SLV-R1000 where the blue gear that moves the loading arm (right one I believe?) was busted in half. To borrow a phrase, "it's often a simple problem that brings a complex machine to its knees."
The blue loading gear was as big a problem as the take up hub on the hi-8. Actually a bigger problem because Sony sold many times more VHS than the hi-8 decks. Funny, I also used a VX3 and EVW300 back in the mid 90's. Then I upgraded to a DCR-VX1000 and a JVC GYDV500 around 99/00 and then to a HDR FX1, and HDR HC3 in 2004, and by the end of 2006 I pulled the plug on the wedding video business, and concentrated on just corporate stuff for another few years hanging up my tripod from the commercial side of things around 2010. Now I shoot using FDR-AX33 and FDR-AX100 just for the channel mostly. They were fun times doing big productions, but I don't miss that work at all. I am glad I am out. I enjoy doing the ultralapse, and time lapse videos, and making the repair videos. It is a steady income stream, and even though I don't make enough to do this full time, I do make enough from the advertising revenue to keep me motivated to make more videos, and get more stuff to tear down, and work on.
I purchased several EV-S7000 and EV-S3000 decks which are similar with PCM audio and also did the same reel repair shown in this video. As far as other repairs today, I have been using doctorsony on ebay about 7 times so far and he does a good job on all Hi8 decks. He's a former Sony master tech and knows his stuff. It gets costly when you pay round trip shipping unless you live in Levittown, Pennsylvania, but if this guy stops doing this service, I don't know who else to trust to do it right. He favors the older EV-S3000 which is great if you love the wood panels. I don't care for time code since today all you want is good playback to your PC or DVD recorder. The only useful feature the 3000 lacks is the voice boost on the newer EV-S7000 / 5000 / 2000 / EV-C100. If you need PCM audio, only the 3000/7000 have that aside from the pro decks. So here is doctorsony's ad in case you have a Hi8 unit you want repaired right: www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-EV-S3000-8mm-Hi8-PCM-Stereo-HiFi-Editing-VCR-RARE-90-Days-Warranty/192410132196?var=null#viTabs_0
Beautiful looking machine, but completely agree with you the thinking behind the tape transport and Not making replacement parts to keep these machines in operation was without thought for those whom loved the machines so difficult now to source parts for even the low end machines now, Thank you so much indeed for your great ability to keep these going and your guidance to us to maintain our machines thank you 📼⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
This entire no parts thing is a joke especially for such an expensive machine. I use this machine regularly to transfer hi8 tapes and my fix has been a long term fix.
I also loved editing using the EV-S7000 and used two of them since I didn't wat to use camcorder as the player, as Sony suggests. I wanted this deck to be the player due to having TBC and DNR playback enhancements. Anyways, regarding the issue with the reel cracking, I learned from a Sony master tech that the tape mechanism on EV-S5000/EV-S7000 is made by Memorex, unlike the EV-S3000, EV-C100, which are Sony's design just like the popular Hi8 camcorders as that time. So it looks as though Sony's tape mechanism got too costly (as I still have the older EC-S3000 and EV-C100 working without issues) so they cheapened it for the EV-S5000/EV-S7000. MSRP was $2099 (according to 1995 Sony Style magazine) for EV-S7000 which is about $3300 in today's dollars for a nice machine that eats your precious tapes.
40:40 No the PCM sound quality is quite limited. It's non-linear 8 bits (10 bit equivalent). If you overloaded it even a little bit, it sounded dreadful. See my video on the PAL version EV-S9000E around the 4;45 minutes point: th-cam.com/video/jYCk4oWl5A4/w-d-xo.html I'm assuming of course that the PAL and NTSC ones have the same bit depth. We've spoken before about those infernal reel tables. They were expensive when they were available, and no longer are at any price. Also these machines can suffer from mass capacitor failure of course, and a very common problem is failure of SM capacitors in the TBC circuit, though that can be switched out on the menus. I've done a number or TH-cam videos about these machines, I think you've seen some of those.
That was very cool! Really, it makes me see the practical use for a 3-D Printer. I'm not an engineer, but I wonder about the complexity of manufacturer designs; honestly, does the design of their products have to be so complicated?
Hi, I'm about to acquire a Sony EV-C500, which is a half size Hi8 deck and it's chewing tapes too. Would you think the broken gear problem with Sony Hi8 decks you mentioned also extend out to this model?
And be prepared if you have to strip one down???...is pretty terrifying!! 5 panels! All hinged on top of each other....its an absolute SOD! to take mech out!!....you've never seen ! As many jumper leads..in your life...scared the crap out of me!!!....also if you've got any mode switch issues??....your forced to build a twin ic bit of kit..its in manual!...Sony used to make one as a bit of a service aid am sure???....you'll never find the swine!!!...Great when they work ....but a bloody horror bag to try and sort!...Best luck!!!
paymydues yes the infamous broken guide pins on the early sl2000 2500 and 2700 which were the first of the 711 chassis were terrible. Then the blue gear that breaks on all the vhs machines. They had lots of plastic gear failures. we used to joke Sony meant "soon only not yet" and the ES audio gear stood for expensive sh__! looking back most of that ES gear was great but their vcrs and home cameras were not that reliable, and they had flyback troubles on their TV and bad hv bleeder resistor troubles.
I have an EV-S2000 which I bought new in Canada. I had Sony in San Jose do some repair work on it when I was living there for a while. It was a temperamental machine from the day I bought it. But my question is do you know if the Hi-8 transports in the Tascam DA-38's, 88's, 98's, etc are Sony manufactured? Another question do you know any one who does repair work on these machines? They happen to be in the Vancouver area. Thanks.
I have never been into a Tascam DA38 or any of the 8mm multi track decks so I don't know if they used a sony transport or not. Their DA40 does not use a sony transport mind you.
Just as an FYI the take up gear on my EV-S2000 is black while the feed side is white. Sony returned the parts they replaced to me (in year 2000) and the gear was not one of them. So I'm assuming both gears are original. Also, they appear to be in good shape. i.e.no visible cracks. The transport in the Tascam DA-98 that is having "tension" problems looks more robust than the one in the EV-S2000. It does not have a lot of hours logged, but has problems anyway. The other 98 that I currently have, which has a lot more hours on it, works just fine.
So are the magnets actually different in the supply reel, or are they just firther apart for a weaker drive? I was thinking if it was the magnet strength, use freezer spray to shrink the magnet so to push it out and swap over. There has to be a way to fix them, its a shame that such a clever machine cant be fully repaired :-(. Shame about the cat :-(, but they dont last as long as us, but it had lots of love so thats all that mattered.
Cat got poisoned. Some cruel bastard that doesn't like cats getting into their garden left a bowl of antifreeze out. Several of my neighbors lost their cats about the same time. I am pretty sure I know who did it, because they had a really nice garden, but that person was carted away in an ambulance a few years ago and soon after the house went up for sale and was torn down, and 2 houses built on the lot.
I found an EV-S7000 at Savers/Value Village yesterday! Works well but it only has one problem. The hub is cracked, but here's the thing, its not the take up hub that's broken. Its actually the SUPPLY hub that's cracked. It can still rewind and fast forward without eating tapes but the rewind is noisy.
@@12voltvids Wow! First time I've seen this. I may mold it together with my soldering iron, get another deck with the same mechanism and pick out a good supply hub. What would you recommend?
To reduce the chance of the new hub fracturing, why not reduce the outside circumference if the magnetic disk? That way it will not push on the plastic. I have seen from later posts that the disk cannot be removed. In that case, just drill a channel inside the outer edge of the disk and then remove the resulting thin strip.
The disk isn't magnetic. The magnet is above-mentioned the disk. The disk is steel. It also needs to turn. The magnet is what provides the tape tension regulation.
Hi, i have a sony slv-t2000cv and i have a problem about loading hi8 tapes, can you help me? One gear is broken on the left side of the tray and the tape does not enter. No technical diagrams (exploded) i'm found online. I have seen that it is almost identical to that of its EVS7000. Can you make a video or photo of EV gears then i understand what search on engines search online? Thank you very much.
Greetings to my friend, I have the sony ev-s9000, but unfortunately both gears have broken into several places, so there is no possibility of repairs, so I am interested in where they can be bought and what is their price for set.thanks
The take up and supply hubs are no longer available. Had I know that they would discontinue them so quickly I would have bought a few spares. I have been trying for 10 years to find a replacement, no luck.
The video walkman units (digital 8) used the same mechanism as camcorder, however due to the tight tape wrap they are hard on tapes, and do not wind very fast. This design with it's gentle and very wide threading pattern is supposed to be easier on tapes, which is important because during editing there is often much winding and rewinding so a gentle tape path will mean less chance of tape damage. Considering that Hi-8 was an acquisition format, protecting the camera original is of utmost importance. In a pro or semi pro environment the camera is used to record the tape, and then it is removed without rewinding, and all further transport is done on editors, so these machines had unique transports that were of very high quality. The problem was bad reel tables. The rest of the deck is fantastic. Believe me if I could find some spares, or have a few made, I would do it.
12voltvids - Thanks a lot for the explaination! That makes sense then. Although they should use common parts as much as possible anyway (from an engineer's point of wiew).
It seems no way to avoid the cracking of the gears. You may be able to get some spares from the defective machines from Yahoo Japan auction. However, local and export models may be slightly different. EV-NS9000 EV-NS7000 (looks like EV-S7000) and EV-S1100 EV-S2200 look like EV-S5000
They all crack. Just bad parts. Last time I was able to get parts I ordered 2. I did check the spare when it arrived, and by the time I needed it I opened the box and it too cracked. Thermal expansion of the metal disk under the plastic rim. It had been stored in my storage unit that is heated in winter, but only to 5' C to prevent freezing. In the summer it gets upwards of 30'C and just the temperature fluctuations caused the new part to fail in the box. Very bad design.
They all more likely be all bad, even new old stock. it has to do with the metal in the gear expanding. Walkman like d3 and even some dat deck's seen same issue. There is no permanent fix.
When you FF or REW on that machine the sound sounds like tuning a radio. That's a pretty cool mod. Too bad you couldn't mod this machine so when you rewind or fast forward, the voices on the tape get all chipmunky like on an audio tape.
On analog VTRs that I have modded, the audio from the linear track does change pitch. On 8mm and Hi-8 the audio is recorded by the spinning video head, so the speed of the head, and therefore the pitch stays the same.
Why not to wind a thin thread (10-15 tight winds) over the take-up hub just above the teeth and then soak the thread by cyanoacrilat glue? It could be a permanent solution.
You have to remember that the gear that cracks is just a "tire" on a thin metal disk. The top part of the hub has a magnet that is attracted to this metal "wheel" that the plastic gear is fused to. This is how they regulate torque. The gear is free to spin and the tape hub speed is regulated by how fast the tape is being fed in front the pinch roller / capstan. It regulates the tension, so you can just build something up on it that will bind with the actual hub. You can't 3d print it either and I really am getting tired of all the "experts" that have never seen one of these machines never mind repaired them chiming in with ideas that if they actually knew how it worked would know that you cant just 3d print it. The only solution I have found is to fuse the plastic back together since the parts are no longer available.
Thanks for all your videos you are truly epic source of info....HELP PLEASE. Got an EVS 1000...yes..got cheap..been dabbling for years..but could not believe drum assy?.? Virtually locked solid?? Thought to tackle swine to take off upper...expecting to find oxidisation or like,...worse!! Fault appears drum motor vert seized!!! ? My god what oould have done this?? All my years of vcr... never seen..Jesus never stripped down to this level?... but forced to! As I can't seem to find anywhere for it...not for the feight hearted.. tell yer..first had to take bottom brass bushoff base off notor?...try and find a 0.002m Allen key?to remove.god what a task...I found oxidisation in areas..but from what I see is the plastic insert moulding in lower assy carrying head links..has either warped..or expanded in some way? Coils look ok.? But the spindle shows oxidisation in parts and is noisy?? My question..any ideas on replacement of a lower drum motor have a few EVS 500.?...Or can you suggest any model that may use same drum motor.??? Thanks for All your superb tech info...your a genius !
@@12voltvids Thanks for info really Appreciated!..have. also just bagged an EVS 9000 .. gift what a machine. But PSU..fail.... yes crap ELNAS crap everywhere ! Gears good tho?....I get the odd bit of gear comes my way now and again and if come across the nasty split gear wheel with bottom. Mag ?I will send you free kidda..am hoping this 9000 is down to PSU as I can't seem to get hold of diagram of the god dam thing display corrupt and odd characters? Nb I also have 4 off EVS 700UB!..pending rebuild ...I have had to build a remote mode switch tester for this swine from manual to progress repairs..taking forever..!.again if you need any panels for same..etc glad to help Your the best on you tube ! Invaluable help!..I am a resource of Philips N4450 got 6 off rare item all the best from over pond!! Phil
Hi fab video as All your content so so appreciated..could I ask further advice ? In short SONY EVS 9000 the beast.. in sad way..No load? No eject. No ottom panel eject no fleuro panel.?..All I got is corrupt display showing time code message of sort. So gone for PSU...for starters...fair few caps out spec got over a d under volts....!?!. guessing regulator stuffed for starters.?,STRM 6552 7 PIN offset...I can't find soddin one!...but found STRM 6511??..Same pin out...SANKEN..would I get away with swap??...am gonna do thru every ribbon link...had a look at Fleuro display can?...caps no leaks? But many read way out?...Will change anyway!....this mc no wear on mech hardly used??...but effin complex...as you know...love to ask you to sort ! But in Blughty!.... the only good news??? No cracked gear wheels!...Power to u 12v vids!...your the man!!!🤠
@@philipnelson8909 the regulators might have same pins but totally different internal circuit. Caps were always the weak link on those units. I only hang onto mine for PCM audio tapes. Don't use it for anything else. Use a digital 8 camera to play everything else.
Is that opening music Rick Hart and the Blue Horse Band - See What You're Made Of? I used Google sound search, and that's what came up. Fitting music, you sure are going to see what that device is made of.
NO it isn't, and I am quite pissed off about this. It is a track from musicbakery.com called Action Thriller. musicbakery.com/release/action-thriller/ This is not the only track that Rick has lifted from musicbakery, and stuck some lyrics to. Jack Waldenmeier is the composer, and the track was released on the April 2000 CD. My old production company spent thousands licensing those tracks for video production use, and I get pissed every time I get a copyright claim by someone else that claims that it is their music. Believe me if I had a dollar for every dispute I have to file with youtube. Jack is a master composer, and so many others have used his music for their own projects and then copyrighted their versions. Go take a listen to the original. Another one that Rick used was "Mysterious Stranger" from musicbakery. Go look up Rick's track "slip off the line" Same music, with words. Frustrating. He isn't the only one. Francia Jazzline Orchestra has stolen dozens of tracks from Musicbakery.
12voltvids I didn't mean to get you upset, I was just goofing around with Google sound search, and that's what came up. I enjoy watching your videos, I'm planning on building a new computer, and I'm going to salvage the hard drive out of an old cable box I found in the dumpster. Your video saved me $40.00.
They are all good. Betamax had much better sability than VHS. I just digitized 5 tapes that were 4.5 hours each, recorded back in the early 80's in the Beta3 speed. The resulting files were indistinguishable from the source tape. I used an very basic SL10 for playback.
Such a great machine. Shame shame shame on Sony for not at least making a big run of those parts- let alone redesign the spool part. Very bad business.
I don't know if the 3D printing company can try make an exact component including the Take-Out Reel and see how long it last. And we all know, plastic components usually they never last long, they break like a Peanut Brittle, and they do fail both in future and in prematurely.
oh well until this i have never heard of this format i mean vcr was the thing to have till i was like 12 so that's probably why partly. btw I love your video's i learned vcr repair from your videos and have been fixing peoples vcr's i mean they are total crap those vcr/dvd combos but ya know it's still a vcr. I like that you explain things well and don't linger on it for each video i watch feel like i understand that type of electronic a lot better. good job!
eddy apple 8mm and Hi8 was a very popular camcorder format not generally used for recording tv however it could and do it very well. It had 2 separate stereo sound tracks an afm hifi track and a pcm digital track that could be dubbed and also featured time code for frame accurate editing. This machine was 3000.00 which is probably why you never heard of it. The camera I had that went with this machine was 12,000.00. Professionals know all about these decks though as they were quite useful heavily used in broadcast operations for news gathering by smaller stations. Not quite to beta am quality but close enough at a fraction of the cost.
you should teach a class dude for real. Yeah 3000 dollar price would more so explain it I'm the only one in my family that seems to understand why pay so much for a product when there are cheaper ways to do the same thing. Those people would never pay anywhere close to that even for professional stuff. lol hey i got a toshiba sa-775 keeps killing the same resistor when i turn it on the resistor will turn red hot and burn out but it doesn't blow a fuse. do you think a dead cap would cause that? i don't have an esr meter yet also way i see it i might as well replace them all if it is which basicaly turns it into a parts machine.
@@leonjohnsonjr3331 what the take up hub. No, part not available. I actually got the last one they had about 15 years ago and it is in this machine but it split just like the original.
i challenged a friend of mine for 3D printing a gear replacement based on an idea i had. and it looks very promising : th-cam.com/video/PvpRDblFClA/w-d-xo.html but i didn't tested yet, i'm currently waiting the package. so final results answer very soon :) the 3D printing solution is the only answer nowdays.
@@jmw06003 seems i can't post link this time. don't know why but looks like my comment was automatically removed because of video link. so in short, it work with PLA material but it's not the best. so resin is currently in study
if you have a 3D Printer you might be able to print out a new part or if you know someone who has a 3D Printer they might print out a new part for you from fibre glass rich printer stock if you ask them and any way it might be a two print head job if you are going to print the magnetic insert at the same time as printing the gear wheel, any of you guys out there how do you get a Hi8 tape out of the machine with any battery left as I appear to be in deep shit as there is a tape fully laced and I don't think that I can get it out without powering it up and blowing up some of the electronics in my Cannon camera, update got the tape out by not fitting the battery but I think that the tape is probably knackered i.e. creased.
I don't have a 3d printer, but looking at the construction of the gear I doubt this is possible, and other have chimed in that they tried to print one without success.
No a two nozzle 3D printer can do it all in one fail swoop it is just like printing a supporting layer but in this case you are printing a material with iron fileings in the printing material which comes on a roll and I don't see why it should not be possible if you can get a the G code to allow the creation of this part, by the way why not reach out the Ex Microsoft Employee who has a you tube channel called Barnaclease Nergasm as he has such a printer unless he has given it away.
I learned electronics, electrical engineering and electronics repair at Mansfield University of PA, National Radio Institute, Cleveland Institute of Technology and India Institute of Technology. Isn't all this skill and knowledge great for a minimum-wage salary? Frank Frank Reiser Video/Audio Service
When I worked in the business back in the 80-90 and early 2000's the minimum wage was 3.25 an hour. I started at about 10 when I worked for Sony in 83. I quickly made it up to about 30.00 an hour, which was considered a relatively high wage, because the average at the time was in the 18 an hour range. Average wage in Canada back in the early 90s, 37,000 a year, I was making 60+. It didn't last though, by 2003 wages were falling, and I bailed and never looked back. I don't make much doing actual repairs these days. I make more from the youtube advertising than from the actual repair. Some of these things take hours to fix too. When you get something as complex as a plasma TV and trouble shoot down to component level to fix it. Lots of skill required, and no apprecietion.
Vhs hi fi is not even close to the sound of the pcm channel. Not even close. Even though the pcm channel only has a frequency response to 15khz, it doesn't have the warbel of vhs hi fi and beta hi fi.
The 80's and 90's there was tons of money in consumer electronics repairs. Back when the average wage was 25,000 a year I was making 60K and did that pretty much every year from about 86 to 2001 then the industry turned around, and I could see the writing om the wall, and was out by 03. I got back in more as a hobby around 2012 and am quite selective on what paid jobs I accept. Most of the stuff I tinker with here in mine. People give me old things, and I fix them, and then give them away, or if they have any value try to sell them for a few $. I make enough from advertising to make it worth while, but not as much as I used to thanks to advertisers shying away from youtube due to some channels doing offensive content. Advertisers are shying away from youtube in general and moving to other platforms because of certain youtubers according to a report I heard on the radio today. That would explain falling revenues.
TH-cam has its day as well. I am surprised how many want to fix old tube radios for instance. maybe do a few of those. I never made over 40k so you did well
I have a few old tube radios to work on one of these days. Mid 80's and the 90's were the best time to be in the consumer electronics repair business. When VCR was king, as they were always getting head clogs and mechanical troubles.
That won't work as the plastic is moulded around a very thin metal ring and the clearance is very tight. There is also a hall effect sensor under the table to detect the changing magnetic field on the magnet on the top side. I have a 3D printer, and 3D scanner, and have tried to make one of these already for a client and had no success whatsoever. If the entire hub was plastic then that would definitely be a possibility, but in multiple attempts I was never able to make one of these work. If anyone else has had success I would be more than willing to get one made for my evs5000.
Would it be possible to use the original metal magnetic ring from the cracked gear, and 3D print the base of the new gear up until where the metal ring would go, place the metal ring where it goes on the in-progress gear and perhaps tack it in place with a drop of super glue simply to hold it steady, and then 3D print the remainder of the gear around and on top of the disc so you would meet the tight tolerance by essentially embedding it and building atop it?
Good idea. I don't have any experience in 3d printing myself, but the only way I can see this working would be to split the broken gear, remove the outer gear ring, and get that printed, and then fit the hub into it and glue it in place. That is the only way I can see that working. I should take the gear into the shop that has a 3d printer and see if they could do that. The one on the evs5000 is broken anyway, so nothing to loose and everything to gain if it would work.
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Hello, I have a Sony EVS700U. EVS900 which could be used as a digital audio recorder and playback machine with 6 * four two track stereo hours of digital audio recording with a total of 24 hours of digital audio per cassette. The whole width of the tape was taken over to PCM audio stereo recording. I used to re one PCM Layer to Rock one for Country one for Heavy Metal etc. Fantastic machines which I have serviced and still working though I have purchased one extra of each for parts if needed. Sony in the 80/90s brought out one innovative tech but lost their way unfortunately a little like Apple with Steve Jobs. I look back with fondness when I listened to the machine of my youth. Just Brilliant!
I had a client give me one of these EVS-7000 decks a while back, one of those clients that has tons of money to buy expensive crap and then never use it, he was going to throw it out if I didn't want it. He also gave me his CCD-VX3 and EVW-300 that he'd bought new. The deck has about 10 hours on it and still works flawlessly to this day. The majority of these (and similar) decks I see all have that problem though. I've had to fix numerous decks with the busted gear. I had a similar problem on an SLV-R1000 where the blue gear that moves the loading arm (right one I believe?) was busted in half. To borrow a phrase, "it's often a simple problem that brings a complex machine to its knees."
The blue loading gear was as big a problem as the take up hub on the hi-8. Actually a bigger problem because Sony sold many times more VHS than the hi-8 decks.
Funny, I also used a VX3 and EVW300 back in the mid 90's. Then I upgraded to a DCR-VX1000 and a JVC GYDV500 around 99/00 and then to a HDR FX1, and HDR HC3 in 2004, and by the end of 2006 I pulled the plug on the wedding video business, and concentrated on just corporate stuff for another few years hanging up my tripod from the commercial side of things around 2010. Now I shoot using FDR-AX33 and FDR-AX100 just for the channel mostly. They were fun times doing big productions, but I don't miss that work at all. I am glad I am out. I enjoy doing the ultralapse, and time lapse videos, and making the repair videos. It is a steady income stream, and even though I don't make enough to do this full time, I do make enough from the advertising revenue to keep me motivated to make more videos, and get more stuff to tear down, and work on.
I purchased several EV-S7000 and EV-S3000 decks which are similar with PCM audio and also did the same reel repair shown in this video. As far as other repairs today, I have been using doctorsony on ebay about 7 times so far and he does a good job on all Hi8 decks. He's a former Sony master tech and knows his stuff. It gets costly when you pay round trip shipping unless you live in Levittown, Pennsylvania, but if this guy stops doing this service, I don't know who else to trust to do it right. He favors the older EV-S3000 which is great if you love the wood panels. I don't care for time code since today all you want is good playback to your PC or DVD recorder. The only useful feature the 3000 lacks is the voice boost on the newer EV-S7000 / 5000 / 2000 / EV-C100. If you need PCM audio, only the 3000/7000 have that aside from the pro decks. So here is doctorsony's ad in case you have a Hi8 unit you want repaired right: www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-EV-S3000-8mm-Hi8-PCM-Stereo-HiFi-Editing-VCR-RARE-90-Days-Warranty/192410132196?var=null#viTabs_0
Beautiful looking machine, but completely agree with you the thinking behind the tape transport and Not making replacement parts to keep these machines in operation was without thought for those whom loved the machines so difficult now to source parts for even the low end machines now, Thank you so much indeed for your great ability to keep these going and your guidance to us to maintain our machines thank you 📼⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
This entire no parts thing is a joke especially for such an expensive machine. I use this machine regularly to transfer hi8 tapes and my fix has been a long term fix.
I also loved editing using the EV-S7000 and used two of them since I didn't wat to use camcorder as the player, as Sony suggests. I wanted this deck to be the player due to having TBC and DNR playback enhancements. Anyways, regarding the issue with the reel cracking, I learned from a Sony master tech that the tape mechanism on EV-S5000/EV-S7000 is made by Memorex, unlike the EV-S3000, EV-C100, which are Sony's design just like the popular Hi8 camcorders as that time. So it looks as though Sony's tape mechanism got too costly (as I still have the older EC-S3000 and EV-C100 working without issues) so they cheapened it for the EV-S5000/EV-S7000. MSRP was $2099 (according to 1995 Sony Style magazine) for EV-S7000 which is about $3300 in today's dollars for a nice machine that eats your precious tapes.
40:40 No the PCM sound quality is quite limited. It's non-linear 8 bits (10 bit equivalent). If you overloaded it even a little bit, it sounded dreadful. See my video on the PAL version EV-S9000E around the 4;45 minutes point: th-cam.com/video/jYCk4oWl5A4/w-d-xo.html
I'm assuming of course that the PAL and NTSC ones have the same bit depth.
We've spoken before about those infernal reel tables. They were expensive when they were available, and no longer are at any price. Also these machines can suffer from mass capacitor failure of course, and a very common problem is failure of SM capacitors in the TBC circuit, though that can be switched out on the menus. I've done a number or TH-cam videos about these machines, I think you've seen some of those.
My "inner" gear is cracked on the take up hub on s7000. (Non splined). What are my options? Obviously I couldn't find parts. Thanks for posting
That was very cool! Really, it makes me see the practical use for a 3-D Printer. I'm not an engineer, but I wonder about the complexity of manufacturer designs; honestly, does the design of their products have to be so complicated?
Hi, I'm about to acquire a Sony EV-C500, which is a half size Hi8 deck and it's chewing tapes too. Would you think the broken gear problem with Sony Hi8 decks you mentioned also extend out to this model?
Hi I've got 4 of 500...pending various jobs ...certain its a different wheel altogether!!!
And be prepared if you have to strip one down???...is pretty terrifying!! 5 panels! All hinged on top of each other....its an absolute SOD! to take mech out!!....you've never seen ! As many jumper leads..in your life...scared the crap out of me!!!....also if you've got any mode switch issues??....your forced to build a twin ic bit of kit..its in manual!...Sony used to make one as a bit of a service aid am sure???....you'll never find the swine!!!...Great when they work ....but a bloody horror bag to try and sort!...Best luck!!!
I understand your frustration with this. Sony has a reputation for bad broken plastic gears on their Beta vcr's too. As I and many have found out too.
paymydues
yes the infamous broken guide pins on the early sl2000 2500 and 2700 which were the first of the 711 chassis were terrible. Then the blue gear that breaks on all the vhs machines. They had lots of plastic gear failures. we used to joke Sony meant "soon only not yet" and the ES audio gear stood for expensive sh__! looking back most of that ES gear was great but their vcrs and home cameras were not that reliable, and they had flyback troubles on their TV and bad hv bleeder resistor troubles.
I have an EV-S2000 which I bought new in Canada. I had Sony in San Jose do some repair work on it when I was living there for a while. It was a temperamental machine from the day I bought it. But my question is do you know if the Hi-8 transports in the Tascam DA-38's, 88's, 98's, etc are Sony manufactured? Another question do you know any one who does repair work on these machines? They happen to be in the Vancouver area. Thanks.
I have never been into a Tascam DA38 or any of the 8mm multi track decks so I don't know if they used a sony transport or not. Their DA40 does not use a sony transport mind you.
Just as an FYI the take up gear on my EV-S2000 is black while the feed side is white. Sony returned the parts they replaced to me (in year 2000) and the gear was not one of them. So I'm assuming both gears are original. Also, they appear to be in good shape. i.e.no visible cracks.
The transport in the Tascam DA-98 that is having "tension" problems looks more robust than the one in the EV-S2000. It does not have a lot of hours logged, but has problems anyway. The other 98 that I currently have, which has a lot more hours on it, works just fine.
So are the magnets actually different in the supply reel, or are they just firther apart for a weaker drive?
I was thinking if it was the magnet strength, use freezer spray to shrink the magnet so to push it out and swap over.
There has to be a way to fix them, its a shame that such a clever machine cant be fully repaired :-(.
Shame about the cat :-(, but they dont last as long as us, but it had lots of love so thats all that mattered.
Cat got poisoned. Some cruel bastard that doesn't like cats getting into their garden left a bowl of antifreeze out. Several of my neighbors lost their cats about the same time. I am pretty sure I know who did it, because they had a really nice garden, but that person was carted away in an ambulance a few years ago and soon after the house went up for sale and was torn down, and 2 houses built on the lot.
What an evil shitbag, poor cats :-(.
Somtimes i hate humanity, still savage and selfish.
I found an EV-S7000 at Savers/Value Village yesterday! Works well but it only has one problem. The hub is cracked, but here's the thing, its not the take up hub that's broken. Its actually the SUPPLY hub that's cracked. It can still rewind and fast forward without eating tapes but the rewind is noisy.
The supply hub also breaks but not as often as the take up hub.
@@12voltvids Wow! First time I've seen this. I may mold it together with my soldering iron, get another deck with the same mechanism and pick out a good supply hub. What would you recommend?
@@TheVCRKing the hubs have a 100% failure rate.
@@12voltvids Yes I know but I'm wondering what you would recommend me doing. Should I mold the hub or get another deck and pull that hub out of there?
@@TheVCRKing I fused the hub and it has been fine for years
Can you give me any advice on my Sony ev -c500e? as I can’t find hardly anything on it regarding my issues.
To reduce the chance of the new hub fracturing, why not reduce the outside circumference if the magnetic disk? That way it will not push on the plastic. I have seen from later posts that the disk cannot be removed. In that case, just drill a channel inside the outer edge of the disk and then remove the resulting thin strip.
The disk isn't magnetic. The magnet is above-mentioned the disk. The disk is steel. It also needs to turn. The magnet is what provides the tape tension regulation.
Hi, i have a sony slv-t2000cv and i have a problem about loading hi8 tapes, can you help me? One gear is broken on the left side of the tray and the tape does not enter. No technical diagrams (exploded) i'm found online. I have seen that it is almost identical to that of its EVS7000. Can you make a video or photo of EV gears then i understand what search on engines search online? Thank you very much.
There's one on ebay now BIN 450$, wonder if it's cracked?
Can you not use gears that are not made by Sony, eg JVC, Panasonic etc.
No they are unique to these 2 models. No other machine uses them.
Greetings to my friend, I have the sony ev-s9000, but unfortunately both gears have broken into several places, so there is no possibility of repairs, so I am interested in where they can be bought and what is their price for set.thanks
The take up and supply hubs are no longer available. Had I know that they would discontinue them so quickly I would have bought a few spares. I have been trying for 10 years to find a replacement, no luck.
I wonder if spindles from Sony 8mm camcorders will fit? There are many out there cheap.
Camera mechanism is completely different. The only 2 decks that Sony made that used this mechanism was the 5000 and 7000.
I have many cameras, and none I have checked are even close to these. Most of the cameras use optical rotation sensors.
Sony's poor decision. If only they used the same mech (or at least common parts) it would be dead easy to repair then.
The video walkman units (digital 8) used the same mechanism as camcorder, however due to the tight tape wrap they are hard on tapes, and do not wind very fast. This design with it's gentle and very wide threading pattern is supposed to be easier on tapes, which is important because during editing there is often much winding and rewinding so a gentle tape path will mean less chance of tape damage. Considering that Hi-8 was an acquisition format, protecting the camera original is of utmost importance. In a pro or semi pro environment the camera is used to record the tape, and then it is removed without rewinding, and all further transport is done on editors, so these machines had unique transports that were of very high quality. The problem was bad reel tables. The rest of the deck is fantastic. Believe me if I could find some spares, or have a few made, I would do it.
12voltvids - Thanks a lot for the explaination! That makes sense then. Although they should use common parts as much as possible anyway (from an engineer's point of wiew).
What’s the best way to do alignment on a s7000 without a scope ?
It seems no way to avoid the cracking of the gears. You may be able to get some spares from the defective machines from Yahoo Japan auction. However, local and export models may be slightly different. EV-NS9000 EV-NS7000 (looks like EV-S7000) and EV-S1100 EV-S2200 look like EV-S5000
They all crack. Just bad parts. Last time I was able to get parts I ordered 2. I did check the spare when it arrived, and by the time I needed it I opened the box and it too cracked. Thermal expansion of the metal disk under the plastic rim.
It had been stored in my storage unit that is heated in winter, but only to 5' C to prevent freezing. In the summer it gets upwards of 30'C and just the temperature fluctuations caused the new part to fail in the box. Very bad design.
So bad. Then better avoid this mechanism
They all more likely be all bad, even new old stock. it has to do with the metal in the gear expanding. Walkman like d3 and even some dat deck's seen same issue. There is no permanent fix.
i like your videos,so educational&you have a great knowledge
How about placing a thin piece of paper ring between the magnet and steel to lessen the magnetic force?
That would probably increase the drag, and increase the tension.
IS THE HANDYCAM CAMCORDER SAME GEAR DESIGN? I THINK IT SAME
fadhle matrook
totally different design on cameras.
nice job and very informative. thanks for posting
Im asking. The ev-c200 is a good deck?
I have one and it has the same mechanism but mine doesn't have a broken tape spindle.
Very nice picture.
When you FF or REW on that machine the sound sounds like tuning a radio. That's a pretty cool mod. Too bad you couldn't mod this machine so when you rewind or fast forward, the voices on the tape get all chipmunky like on an audio tape.
On analog VTRs that I have modded, the audio from the linear track does change pitch.
On 8mm and Hi-8 the audio is recorded by the spinning video head, so the speed of the head, and therefore the pitch stays the same.
Why not to wind a thin thread (10-15 tight winds) over the take-up hub just above the teeth and then soak the thread by cyanoacrilat glue? It could be a permanent solution.
You have to remember that the gear that cracks is just a "tire" on a thin metal disk. The top part of the hub has a magnet that is attracted to this metal "wheel" that the plastic gear is fused to. This is how they regulate torque. The gear is free to spin and the tape hub speed is regulated by how fast the tape is being fed in front the pinch roller / capstan. It regulates the tension, so you can just build something up on it that will bind with the actual hub. You can't 3d print it either and I really am getting tired of all the "experts" that have never seen one of these machines never mind repaired them chiming in with ideas that if they actually knew how it worked would know that you cant just 3d print it. The only solution I have found is to fuse the plastic back together since the parts are no longer available.
Thanks for all your videos you are truly epic source of info....HELP PLEASE. Got an EVS 1000...yes..got cheap..been dabbling for years..but could not believe drum assy?.? Virtually locked solid?? Thought to tackle swine to take off upper...expecting to find oxidisation or like,...worse!! Fault appears drum motor vert seized!!! ? My god what oould have done this?? All my years of vcr... never seen..Jesus never stripped down to this level?... but forced to! As I can't seem to find anywhere for it...not for the feight hearted.. tell yer..first had to take bottom brass bushoff base off notor?...try and find a 0.002m Allen key?to remove.god what a task...I found oxidisation in areas..but from what I see is the plastic insert moulding in lower assy carrying head links..has either warped..or expanded in some way? Coils look ok.? But the spindle shows oxidisation in parts and is noisy?? My question..any ideas on replacement of a lower drum motor have a few EVS 500.?...Or can you suggest any model that may use same drum motor.??? Thanks for All your superb tech info...your a genius !
Have no idea what drum that model uses. Never heard of that model or seen one. Likely one from a camera will fit but i don't know.
@@12voltvids Thanks for info really Appreciated!..have. also just bagged an EVS 9000 .. gift what a machine. But PSU..fail.... yes crap ELNAS crap everywhere ! Gears good tho?....I get the odd bit of gear comes my way now and again and if come across the nasty split gear wheel with bottom. Mag ?I will send you free kidda..am hoping this 9000 is down to PSU as I can't seem to get hold of diagram of the god dam thing display corrupt and odd characters? Nb I also have 4 off EVS 700UB!..pending rebuild ...I have had to build a remote mode switch tester for this swine from manual to progress repairs..taking forever..!.again if you need any panels for same..etc glad to help Your the best on you tube ! Invaluable help!..I am a resource of Philips N4450 got 6 off rare item all the best from over pond!! Phil
Hi fab video as All your content so so appreciated..could I ask further advice ? In short SONY EVS 9000 the beast.. in sad way..No load? No eject. No ottom panel eject no fleuro panel.?..All I got is corrupt display showing time code message of sort. So gone for PSU...for starters...fair few caps out spec got over a d under volts....!?!. guessing regulator stuffed for starters.?,STRM 6552 7 PIN offset...I can't find soddin one!...but found STRM 6511??..Same pin out...SANKEN..would I get away with swap??...am gonna do thru every ribbon link...had a look at Fleuro display can?...caps no leaks? But many read way out?...Will change anyway!....this mc no wear on mech hardly used??...but effin complex...as you know...love to ask you to sort ! But in Blughty!.... the only good news??? No cracked gear wheels!...Power to u 12v vids!...your the man!!!🤠
@@philipnelson8909 the regulators might have same pins but totally different internal circuit. Caps were always the weak link on those units. I only hang onto mine for PCM audio tapes. Don't use it for anything else. Use a digital 8 camera to play everything else.
Is that opening music Rick Hart and the Blue Horse Band - See What You're Made Of? I used Google sound search, and that's what came up. Fitting music, you sure are going to see what that device is made of.
NO it isn't, and I am quite pissed off about this. It is a track from musicbakery.com called Action Thriller.
musicbakery.com/release/action-thriller/
This is not the only track that Rick has lifted from musicbakery, and stuck some lyrics to.
Jack Waldenmeier is the composer, and the track was released on the April 2000 CD. My old production company spent thousands licensing those tracks for video production use, and I get pissed every time I get a copyright claim by someone else that claims that it is their music. Believe me if I had a dollar for every dispute I have to file with youtube. Jack is a master composer, and so many others have used his music for their own projects and then copyrighted their versions.
Go take a listen to the original.
Another one that Rick used was "Mysterious Stranger" from musicbakery.
Go look up Rick's track "slip off the line" Same music, with words.
Frustrating. He isn't the only one. Francia Jazzline Orchestra has stolen dozens of tracks from Musicbakery.
12voltvids I didn't mean to get you upset, I was just goofing around with Google sound search, and that's what came up. I enjoy watching your videos, I'm planning on building a new computer, and I'm going to salvage the hard drive out of an old cable box I found in the dumpster. Your video saved me $40.00.
Jerry Spann
you didn't get me upset the fraudulent copyright claims do.
Mines work good as long has i don't rewind it and my display is black but I know bad caps on the board
which model Btamax vcr is good to digitalis the Beta format
They are all good. Betamax had much better sability than VHS. I just digitized 5 tapes that were 4.5 hours each, recorded back in the early 80's in the Beta3 speed. The resulting files were indistinguishable from the source tape.
I used an very basic SL10 for playback.
Such a great machine. Shame shame shame on Sony for not at least making a big run of those parts- let alone redesign the spool part. Very bad business.
They don't care. Tape is dead.
Why don't you try and mould the gears and create some aluminium gears from soda cans etc.
Aluminum is not magnetic. There would be no energy transfer to turn the tape reel. This is how they limit torque to the tape spool.
I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about sir?
Your kidding right
Hi...I have a 7000, but video head is bad...anyone know of a replacement that will work ?...
I don't know if the 3D printing company can try make an exact component including the Take-Out Reel and see how long it last. And we all know, plastic components usually they never last long, they break like a Peanut Brittle, and they do fail both in future and in prematurely.
i search in wep site and i found sony sl-c9e in ebay thank you
are the gears the same as the ev-s3000's?
No the 3000 is a totally different mechanism.
oh well until this i have never heard of this format i mean vcr was the thing to have till i was like 12 so that's probably why partly. btw I love your video's i learned vcr repair from your videos and have been fixing peoples vcr's i mean they are total crap those vcr/dvd combos but ya know it's still a vcr. I like that you explain things well and don't linger on it for each video i watch feel like i understand that type of electronic a lot better. good job!
eddy apple
8mm and Hi8 was a very popular camcorder format not generally used for recording tv however it could and do it very well. It had 2 separate stereo sound tracks an afm hifi track and a pcm digital track that could be dubbed and also featured time code for frame accurate editing. This machine was 3000.00 which is probably why you never heard of it. The camera I had that went with this machine was 12,000.00. Professionals know all about these decks though as they were quite useful heavily used in broadcast operations for news gathering by smaller stations. Not quite to beta am quality but close enough at a fraction of the cost.
you should teach a class dude for real. Yeah 3000 dollar price would more so explain it I'm the only one in my family that seems to understand why pay so much for a product when there are cheaper ways to do the same thing. Those people would never pay anywhere close to that even for professional stuff. lol hey i got a toshiba sa-775 keeps killing the same resistor when i turn it on the resistor will turn red hot and burn out but it doesn't blow a fuse. do you think a dead cap would cause that? i don't have an esr meter yet also way i see it i might as well replace them all if it is which basicaly turns it into a parts machine.
btw when i way do the same thing i just mean record and watch video basically just the bare minimum of what media devices are made to do
can you place an order ring round the middle of hub
The ring does not separate from the hub. It is moulded around it during manufacture.
It is heart-braking when a super cool machine is now useless because of a small defect or part. Its only about $$$ to the big companies.
That is why sometimes we have to McGyver repairs to keep things running.
Your French is just fine by me! :-)
And I didn't even think I could speak it.
I think what cause it using that super rewind speed
The high speed rewind unloads the tape from the drum and has far less tension and stress on the tape.
@@12voltvids ok u haven't found a part yet
@@leonjohnsonjr3331 what the take up hub. No, part not available. I actually got the last one they had about 15 years ago and it is in this machine but it split just like the original.
@@12voltvids ok thanks when i look for it what part # I look for
@@leonjohnsonjr3331
Have no idea anymore. Was 15 years ago when i got it.
i challenged a friend of mine for 3D printing a gear replacement based on an idea i had.
and it looks very promising : th-cam.com/video/PvpRDblFClA/w-d-xo.html
but i didn't tested yet, i'm currently waiting the package. so final results answer very soon :)
the 3D printing solution is the only answer nowdays.
How did it turn out?
@@jmw06003 seems i can't post link this time. don't know why but looks like my comment was automatically removed because of video link.
so in short, it work with PLA material but it's not the best. so resin is currently in study
if you have a 3D Printer you might be able to print out a new part or if you know someone who has a 3D Printer they might print out a new part for you from fibre glass rich printer stock if you ask them and any way it might be a two print head job if you are going to print the magnetic insert at the same time as printing the gear wheel, any of you guys out there how do you get a Hi8 tape out of the machine with any battery left as I appear to be in deep shit as there is a tape fully laced and I don't think that I can get it out without powering it up and blowing up some of the electronics in my Cannon camera, update got the tape out by not fitting the battery but I think that the tape is probably knackered i.e. creased.
I don't have a 3d printer, but looking at the construction of the gear I doubt this is possible, and other have chimed in that they tried to print one without success.
No a two nozzle 3D printer can do it all in one fail swoop it is just like printing a supporting layer but in this case you are printing a material with iron fileings in the printing material which comes on a roll and I don't see why it should not be possible if you can get a the G code to allow the creation of this part, by the way why not reach out the Ex Microsoft Employee who has a you tube channel called Barnaclease Nergasm as he has such a printer unless he has given it away.
I learned electronics, electrical engineering and electronics repair at Mansfield University of PA, National Radio Institute, Cleveland Institute of Technology and India Institute of Technology. Isn't all this skill and knowledge great for a minimum-wage salary?
Frank
Frank Reiser Video/Audio Service
When I worked in the business back in the 80-90 and early 2000's the minimum wage was 3.25 an hour. I started at about 10 when I worked for Sony in 83. I quickly made it up to about 30.00 an hour, which was considered a relatively high wage, because the average at the time was in the 18 an hour range. Average wage in Canada back in the early 90s, 37,000 a year, I was making 60+.
It didn't last though, by 2003 wages were falling, and I bailed and never looked back.
I don't make much doing actual repairs these days. I make more from the youtube advertising than from the actual repair. Some of these things take hours to fix too. When you get something as complex as a plasma TV and trouble shoot down to component level to fix it. Lots of skill required, and no apprecietion.
Thats why Samsung and LG are kicking sony's Butt all over the world. Except japan.
ohh since work in pal secam Beta recorded system
If they were a common failed problem, Sony should’ve went from plastic to a metal instead.
They dont wanna do that because they wanna make MONEY
VHS HIFI is better for Audio Recording
Vhs hi fi is not even close to the sound of the pcm channel. Not even close. Even though the pcm channel only has a frequency response to 15khz, it doesn't have the warbel of vhs hi fi and beta hi fi.
consumer electronics blues and things are getting worse for support.
That's precisely why I got out of the consumer repair business in 2003 and got a job for a major telecom. Job security. The internet is the future.
Damn, I got out in the late 70's, I already seen it coming. I took my first job fixing stencil scanners at 19
The 80's and 90's there was tons of money in consumer electronics repairs.
Back when the average wage was 25,000 a year I was making 60K and did that pretty much every year from about 86 to 2001 then the industry turned around, and I could see the writing om the wall, and was out by 03. I got back in more as a hobby around 2012 and am quite selective on what paid jobs I accept. Most of the stuff I tinker with here in mine. People give me old things, and I fix them, and then give them away, or if they have any value try to sell them for a few $.
I make enough from advertising to make it worth while, but not as much as I used to thanks to advertisers shying away from youtube due to some channels doing offensive content. Advertisers are shying away from youtube in general and moving to other platforms because of certain youtubers according to a report I heard on the radio today.
That would explain falling revenues.
TH-cam has its day as well. I am surprised how many want to fix old tube radios for instance. maybe do a few of those. I never made over 40k so you did well
I have a few old tube radios to work on one of these days.
Mid 80's and the 90's were the best time to be in the consumer electronics repair business. When VCR was king, as they were always getting head clogs and mechanical troubles.
The design from SONY was a complete failure.
3D print one!
That won't work as the plastic is moulded around a very thin metal ring and the clearance is very tight. There is also a hall effect sensor under the table to detect the changing magnetic field on the magnet on the top side. I have a 3D printer, and 3D scanner, and have tried to make one of these already for a client and had no success whatsoever. If the entire hub was plastic then that would definitely be a possibility, but in multiple attempts I was never able to make one of these work. If anyone else has had success I would be more than willing to get one made for my evs5000.
Would it be possible to use the original metal magnetic ring from the cracked gear, and 3D print the base of the new gear up until where the metal ring would go, place the metal ring where it goes on the in-progress gear and perhaps tack it in place with a drop of super glue simply to hold it steady, and then 3D print the remainder of the gear around and on top of the disc so you would meet the tight tolerance by essentially embedding it and building atop it?
I think that with a two nozzle 3D printer might be able to print out such a gear wheel I.E. metallic particles in the feed wire.
Good idea. I don't have any experience in 3d printing myself, but the only way I can see this working would be to split the broken gear, remove the outer gear ring, and get that printed, and then fit the hub into it and glue it in place. That is the only way I can see that working. I should take the gear into the shop that has a 3d printer and see if they could do that. The one on the evs5000 is broken anyway, so nothing to loose and everything to gain if it would work.