The final version of the Discovery actually does have Starfleet hull livery. It's located on the outboard sides of the warp nacelles and was inspired by the design seen in TNG.
In this case, they may have avoided the experimental registry to help hide it. With a normal registry number, it would appear in paperwork to be just a normal craft, rather then a highly experimental ship.
Well Discovery starship was one of the original designs for the Constitution class Enterprise. But it was shelved. When Gene died Ms Roddenberry. Had it in there will The there exec was to inherit Star Trek&Paramount. Which is smart. He came across 1/2 done shows like Contact. Then TV series Enterprise, Voy, DS9, Discovery. But Picard is just a continuation of TNG,VOY&DS9. Frankly, I’ve seen some of the TV series. It feels awkward. Not uncomfortable/afront to sexuality&etc. 👇🏻👉🏻way out of left field: Star Wars is good against evil w/ good&bad space wizards evil empire army against a smaller military ragtag group. There r no death stars in Star Trek. Star Wars rides the coat tails of Star Trek. 👈🏻👆🏻.
I know. I was very interested in buying it until I saw those nasty stains! They don't even match the blood stains on my nice shredded mismatched curtains! How awful. My crack den will look like absolute garbage now! I'm sure I'll find a nice rug with feces or blood stains that I like... everyone knows the rug really ties the room together.
I don’t care for the design of Discovery, BUT the version of the Enterprise that showed up at the end of DIS season 2 is probably my absolute favorite design for Enterprise I’ve ever seen. It’s so sleek yet sturdy looking, and I LOVE how the pylons are super angled backward, but not too flattened down. The drive section has the nice barrel shape, the nacelles are intimidating but not stupidly over sized like in the reboot movies, ah I just love that Enterprise so much! Take that model and replace it’s saucer section with the almost cruise ship like looking saucer section if Enterprise D and you got my dream ship right there.
My favorite thing about the new enterprise is that it looks EXACTLY like what I would imagine a successor to the NX01 to look like. The nacelles look just like an evolved version of the nx01, and even the swept back nacelle pylons. Once you look at the full lineage of enterprises, the og looks very out of place (of course by no fault of its own, it was the first) but now we know the nx01 came before it the new one is just superb
Awesome. I really like how the discovery is blocked out in basic shapes. Circle, Rectangle, Triangle. Simplicity in elegance. Never knew hard lines could look good on a ship.
@MonkeyZorr "There is NO elegance in that design" your mind isn't elegant enough to comprehend it. There is an abstract geometric elegance to its austere minimalism. This sits up there just below the E for me. The D is still by far the best ship in my view, of course. You hate the show, and by extension the ship. It's all subjective.
Herbert Totally agree with you. I'm guessing trekking don't really do new material though, judging by their hangups on something made 30 / 50 years ago! 😁
The vibe I get is that he's disappointed in a lot of aspects about it, but he'll keep watching it as long as it exists. That's how I feel about it. A lot of times I'm like "WTF?! Just... no!!" but the stories are watchable even if they're not really all that... Trek. I started showing Discovery to someone recently and she just could not get past those "Klingons" and made me stop the first episode like 5 or 10 minutes in.
@@GameSack I feel the same way. If I'm being honest with myself, it's a modern day Trek and that's really enough to make me watch it. If anything out of curiosity. There are some good bits in there, even if the whole thing was mostly disappointing overall. I just can't get past the fact that, in my opinion, it would have worked much better being set post Voyager. It would have taken just a few storyline tweaks, the visuals would mostly have fit. I think everyone would have been much more forgiving of it if that were the case. For some reason though CBS and Paramount seem to think that TOS era is the only thing people care about (or the only thing that will make money). Now they've even pulled the Spock card for next season! At least they seem to be coming around though with the Picard series. It could very well turn out to be garbage but at least we get to see Patrick Stewart in the role again. I don't think his presence alone can save it if it's bad though, see: what Disney did to Luke Skywalker. Here's hoping everything turns out great though!
At the moment, thumbs down. Tedious build up, then awful payoff. I'll keep watching because I see two possible outcomes. 1. The show may redeem itself. 2. Season Two will be a train wreck that I can't turn my eyes away from.
I'm glad you put that part in about only the surface spinning. That makes it seem less ridiculous. But I swear I've seen the hull to a loopy-loop kind of thing where the inner and outer saucer section spin on an axis that would run from front to back. Did I imagine this or does the ship really do that? God I hated that.
Game Sack It does that likely as an optical effect of the drive, just like warp drive traditionally distorts the ships appearance in several ways. The original warp effect was of the Enterprise slowly fading away, while the most familiar effect is the longitudinal pointed distortion seen in TNG DS9 VGR and the later films. It might help to consider those effects as non diegetic as they seem to change often until the start of TNG and for no more reason than the producers wanting to try something different.
Dreadnought AI That’s what I think. The DISCO seems to do warp drive pretty conventionally. Though if people REALLY want DSC to be era correct they should complain about that also because the Enterprise in The Cage had its very own unique warp effect! I just had a thought🤭 what is the spore drive is actually kept for a while! Like all the way until the end of the TOS films? We would then have a legit answer for how the TOS ships could traverse the galaxy like nothing then TNG came along with some crazy speed limits. I mean, according to current trek canon Kirk and friends should just now be getting back from visiting god at the center of the galaxy lol.
3Hification - presumably there's some tech relevant to the spore drive in those surfaces. Far more appropriate than the entire Rings spinning, as It would suggest either the entire saucer section is taken up by spore Drive Tech, or a load of unnecessary living quarters, science labs, and recreational facilities are pointlessly being taken along for the Ride.
John Eaves worked with what was given to him: a bad sketch from the otherwise incredibly talented Ralph McQuarrie. I bet if Producer Fuller didn't force him to use this as a starting point Eaves would've delivered another great ST ship. His Enterprise-E is nearly perfect in every way and its sad to see what he had to design for Discovery.
I knew I had seen the sketch for that damn ship, when I was a kid it was a concept for the new Enterprise before the first film was made. Some people did not believe me when I said "Discovery is just a recycled idea from the late 1970s."
Wait, I can buy Junkball’s used mattress?!? Shut up and take my money! This is the only channel I actually get excited about when I see a new video post.
1:12 actually it wasn’t Ralph McQuarrie who created that concept art, it was simply found in one of his folders. The name of the guy who actually did it eludes me, but there was a note in the folder identifying him as the artist.
The USS Shenzhou is a really nice design. I wish the show was about Capt. Georgiou & her ship. But no, they kill her off & destroy her ship in favor of the Fugly Discovery & a guy trying too hard to be a Capt. Kirk.
Gonna have a controversial opinion, I think the discovery ship looks quite cool especially seeing their design inspiration and thought process, also didn't know the thing about crossfield being named after a pilot or the walker being named after a pilot. I also really liked the crossfield class as it was a pretty neat departure, kinda the same but different, especially without the poorly designed bridge dome on top. Feels like a ship designed for war.
I feel like so many of the concept art pictures were much stronger than the final product. The ship still looks dumb and I do not like it. I wish the Shenzhou was the main ship of the show (but scaled down in size so its saucer section is the same size as the constitution class).
krim7 I don’t get the obsession with thinking the Constitution class was supposed to be the largest ship in the fleet? It is never stated anywhere in canon, it is often referred to as a cruiser. And cruisers are not traditionally large ships. It’s sometimes called a “heavy” cruiser, a term that doesn’t really exist in real world navies except in response to a certain treaty. It is often shown to be the most advanced ship class of the fleet, but that has little to do with size. Being vastly more advanced than the Shenzou can simply mean better in every way and more compact overall.
@@DrewLSsix It's stupid to assume the Constitution ISN'T the largest class of her time. Like, no. Why else would she have been the hero ship of the first Trek series if she wasn't the most formidable ship in the fleet?
@@DrewLSsix Do you think anybody regularly makes it a practice to take their littlest ship and call them the fleet's *flagship*? Just because DISCO's showrunners love the smell of their own farts doesn't mean you have to, too.
Purdue1986Boiler I like the show and ship well enough but actually think the trailer version was better if just cleaned up for production filming. It looked like something that could have directly preceded the TOS Enterprise design, and The recessed section reminds me of the Oberth class. A ship I have long thought must predate the TOS era by a long time, the Grissom has a 3 digit registration number far lower than anything seen from TOS and later designs and it lacks any sort of lighting effects for the engines or other non window elements. Just like the very early Cage era Enterprise. If there’s still a design element that links them it would have to be the windows, the canon size of the Oberth would clash with the deck count you get going by the bumper of window rows on the model. But Discovery has a unique design where many decks have two levels of windows, if you layout the Oberth deck plan along side it’s external model you get several decks that would have two rows of windows! Oh, and the nacelles being attached directly to the hull is shared between them.
Yep i don't like it either. Looks like they took a saucer and strapped a klingon D7 to the back of it. Even the spere in the saucer in front has echos of the D7. As a designer i think it was a bad choice to go back to concept art. There's usually a reason why it got stuck to being concept art, because it was NOT the best design. The design grew, changed and then became the final design in the constitution class. That design best matched the vision of rodenberry and what he wanted for star trek, the concept disovery is based on didn't. To me discovery does not feel like a star fleet ship at all, simply becauses of the very wide, angular back section that looks nothing like anything we ever saw before in star fleet. As i already said, the back looks more like a klingon ship then a star fleet ship. They should have made the effort to design something new. Plenty of ideas and creatives out there. But the show seems in short supply of those for anything they do as in general, i don't like the design choices they made (or the show in general for that matter). The general aesthetic of the show is nothing like star trek or star fleet for me.... The aesthetic of the show looks more like Battlestar: Discovery or Star trek: The expanse. :)
The ultimate problem with the design of the ship is that they used an early and unused concept sketch from the design process for another ship. There is a reason why they didn’t go with that concept sketch. Because it’s bad. Designers make dozens of these kinds of sketches when finding which one fits. It’s ludicrous that everyone treats everything that the original artists did like they’re the end all be all of designs. You know, in the design process, you end up making a lot of SHIT before you make something that’s good and works. Like Chewbacca, they didn’t use the first idea they thought of. But rebels took their first idea and made that ugly THING
(Trying to convey in a neutral emotion) I love Eaves, I don't blame him for what he was given to work with, but still Fuller should've given Eaves some slack to come up with another legendary ship and not polish up wadded up art that Gene Roddenberry and or others threw away. At least with the Phase II Enterprise, it still had familiarities that people would recognize and welcome more willingly than McQuire's (in my opinion) lazy "concept".
I really dislike this design. When I heard that John Eaves was the designer, I was was even more disappointed by it. But to be fair, that original Ralph Mcquarrie concept was flawed from the very beginning. The round saucer and the angular Star Destroyer hull never flowed together.
John Eves is a naughty man, He pushes his own house style over what is appropriate for the era - something Andrew Probert wouldn't do I suspect. He also shoves things on ships that should be there like visible RTS Thrusters : but it's not important as I don't consider Discovery in continuity with anything else (not even Enterprise really) so they can do what they like and the more the make it not Star Trek like the more it reinforces the point it's not the same universe - regardless what the Production intimates. But The Discovery herself is way down the list of things "wrong" with this show - the list is a lot longer than the ships looking more like an Enterprise Sequel than a TOS prequel.
@@90lancaster Oh, I'd love to know what Probert has to say about this design. He was never fond of the "All Good Things" Enterprise-D redesign either. Square and round don't mix. That said, we can't blame all on the designer. In the end It's the show runners that pick the art direction. If the designer comes up with many different ideas and the director has no taste and picks the lamest of them all, well then you get this (and the JJ-prise).
@@ZoidFile Interesting challenge to approach the "Galaxy-X" with your French Curves and no straight lines to the parts they added (like the Phaser lance). I always though the 3rd Pylon was under designed a bit.
@@90lancaster If you are interested, there is a series here on TH-cam called "Trekyards". They have an interview with Andrew Probert about designing the Enterprise-D and how he would have approached the Galaxy-X.
Tje doscovery would look a lot better with red orange nacelle bussard collector like on tos add in the tos pin stripping and shorten the nacelles or go with temp nacelles
captianjessie1 If the design was supposed to predate the Enterprise it would make sense if it didn’t have the same features, the pre refit Enterprise didn’t have lit nacelles at all! I know the ships were new builds and loaded with a whole second star drive but the basic elements resemble the other older ships seen in the show, making me believe the basic parts are established technology while the Enterprise is the newer generation design wise. It’s not the design I would have gone with, but I have always had a weak spot for the more bizarre Federation ship designs lol.
The “Edsel” of starships. It’s like bad fanfic designs that 8th graders did in the 70s. The difference is those 8th graders knew there designs weren’t any good.
Junkball your videos are extremely well done, and I love your comedy. The 80s style really does keep my attention in the way use it as your theme. Awesome content and great job remaining impartial
So it's actually based on the Canadian Avro Arrow which predates the examples given. Canada also contributed to putting a man on the moon yet we get no credit for our role in that en-devour either.
No, its based off of the XB-70. The CF-105 Arrow is a smaller interceptor design, while the XB-70 is a larger strategic bomber. The XB-70 has a much longer fuselage and is very different than the CF-105. The Canadian CF-105 shares much of its design elements with American aircraft of the period, such as the Convair F-102 Delta Dagger, they're both delta-wing interceptors from the 50s. The XB-70 was following a later design choice that many aircraft manufacturers of its time were testing. Perhaps you are thinking of the Avro 730, the English design that was cancelled but was to have the same role as the American XB-70?
On hull livery: There are deltas and stripes on the nacelles, but they’re painted silver and tend to blend in to the rest of the hull when photographed. There is also a delta and stripe on Discovery’s belly, but shots in show rarely show it. Just thought you’d like to know, Junkball. Great video as always!
@Tildin Han It grew on me after 'while. But yeah, it should have looked less "advanced" than TOS Enterprise and other ships, not more, both from a continuity perspective and the story arc that the humans were the upstart underdogs.
I go back and forth on whether I like the ship design. I like the longer nacelles and I like the general shape of the ship, I just don't like that the secondary hull is raised up on a neck but the whole back end of the ship is flat. It feels really unbalanced.
1:10 The problem is - Ralph McQuarrie's style (especially in scifi with the wide reaching audience of Star Wars) was something that defined the " used future" aesthetic we see in Star Wars and Alien, i.e. all the 80's. Star Trek was originally made in the 60's when scifi was still 'supposed' to look sleek and clean. [I think Roddenberry even stipulated minimum lines and detail on the hull! "Race car" "dragster" in space with aviation influences] When they did the re-fit in 1979 they updated while still keeping a sort-of 'smooth' aesthetic - at the least EVERYTHING FLOWED and looked good at any filming angle (apply the 1/3 frame thing or the Golden Ration to any angle of the original or refit and it will look good. Applies for the most part to TNG but not Voyager. I can't really count DS9 (since the station was symmetrical and the Defiant too compact - though it applies and makes it work perfect in battle shots). I give up on NX-01 ... too simple to delve into like the Defiant, except a pie tin in the air at any angle would work (I actually dig the NX design in secret). I think the refit even accentuated this aesthetic by sweeping the nacelle struts back at a V ... and moving the connection of the pylons forward on the secondary hull, which makes sense when we see the new larger shuttle/cargo bay in TMP ... and the ends of the nacelles at angles. I'd bet the angels in which the rim of the saucer, the neck, the struts, the shuttlebay, etc are even on tempo. Yes, space has no air so why make things aerodynamic etc. But that's the design that was laid out that defines the franchise. It's not the Millenium Falcon it's the Excelsior, it's not a Star Destroyer its the Enterprise yadda yadda. Referring to a concept that was radically different and never followed through with through 13 films and 4 TV series makes no sense. It's a dead end. It's even dead on the timeline because pre-Discovery ships follow the same aesthetic as Matt Jefferies, Probert, etc. It looks like carving fork.
Fuller's best comment when we were working on it, "I don't want them to be able to make a toy. I want it to CUT people. That's how flat I want the saucer. Like a pizza cutter." Fuller didn't last long after that. ;) Another rarely known fact. The registry number. Yeah. It changed weeks before he got the boot. He changed it to the Halloween date at the last minute because, "I really like Halloween." Also, the spinning rings was literally last second. Like...DAYS before shipping.
It is fascinating how they took a design the fans HATED and then said "Lets improve on that design and keep it going!" And that is how they wrote the story.
I really like your videos! Your attention to detail is informative and entertaining, and you have some good humor (I especially love the Marsh Melon episode). Is there any chance you might do future videos about various shuttlecraft, like the Type 7 and it's various onscreen changes (and it's more ufo-like concept art, and failed attempts to make a full-scale version), the type 6 and it's rebuild from the Star Trek V shuttle and later it's other rebuild into the type 8 and then that random one-off ship in Voyager, the little lower-budget Type 15 Shuttlepod, and so on? Those would be awesome to see.
Great video, thanks! :) As someone who hasn't seen the new show (and won't be watching it!) I was hoping this would be more of an introduction to the new ship. This is really my first look. Seeing all these sketches and visuals, I had no idea which (if any) was the final design. Does the saucer section really rotate? That's a big shock, and it seems too advanced for the timeline it sits in?
despite some bugs, that startrek game was actually really awesome, and had some of the best environment art/assets any games had. Luckily that game became WARFRAME. Sadly Warframe deviated a lot when it came to characters and mood.
7:36 It Actually does have a Pennant, It's On the Upper Outward facing Slants on the Forward Ends of Both of the Warp Nacelles, It's Coloured White, Similarly to how the Registry was Coloured.
@@OOTurok Enterprise-J, hands down, no contest. The Discovery at least has some positive traits and a few angles she looks good (or at least decent) in. The Universe-class, on the other hand.... I spent 20 minutes flying around one in STO in every possible angle to find at least ONE she looks presentable in,... and it is not possible. There is literally no possible way to make that frizbee and twigs look decent from ANY angle
@@k1productions87 That's true. The space pancake is ugly from every conceivable angle... but the Discovery is a very, very close second for most ugly. I think the USS Shenzhou is a really badass design though. I really wish the show was about Capt. Georgiou & her ship. I like her character. Can't stand the Burnham Mary Sue, & I don't care much for the Kirk wannabe Capt Pike.
I'm sorry. Being something of an illustrator myself, I can certainly appreciate the kind of time, effort and creativity that goes into any kind of large-scale project, but that ship is just plain FUGLY.
I can accept the design for what it is even though I would have done some things differently. As iconic as a ship can become for a show, the design is not the point of the show for me. It's got warp nacelles, a deflector dish and a saucer section -ok, I'll take it. The bronze/brass color was an unusual choice as was not going with red for the bussard collectors color.
I have to address the elephant in the room, that concept for the Enterprise that became the Discovery, WAS REJECTED in the 1970s. As in it was not found favorable, so why in the hell would they use a concept that didn't make the cut?
I'm baffled by how many people dislike the Discovery's design. I dislike a LOT about the show itself. But the ship design is not one of them. I love this ships design. This evolution of Mcquarrie's design is beautiful.
@MonkeyZorr STD isn't garbage. tha'ts your biased opinion. I like it. And I love Discovery's design. people said the same stuff about Enterprise D when TNG came out, how big the saucer is and how that was jarring and all those curves made it look like a fancy toilet seat cover. Well, the folks who grew up with that loved that.
@MonkeyZorr I agree, anything related to that propaganda-fest should be burned and left on an abandoned cutting room floor, where the show belongs. I exclude every other Star Trek series from this because Discovery is not Star Trek, and that is fact.
There are definitely elements from the concepts that I think would have worked better aesthetically, such as how the nacelles are mounted slanting outwards in one concept, while in another concept, the secondary hull appears Star Destroyer-like, rather than flat on the top and bottom. And am I the only one who thinks that the round inset navigational deflector doesn't work as well as a rectangular unit would have? And it's not like rectangular navigational deflectors weren't used in DSC.
This thread is a year old and only has 112k views, proof that the new star treks are grossly unpopular. The link below is only 3 months old (also a Junkball video) but it is from the original timeline and already has over 300K views. That says a lot! Discovery and the Picard show sucks, why did they have to go and screw up the recipe? Its a reason the 60s show grew into a phenomenon that gave rise to star trek TNG, DS9 and Voyager, all lasting 7 years each because the soul of star trek that was born in the 60s was still there, that is the soul of hope, not to say that there is a better future with aliens and whatnot although that is cool as hell, but rather that we as a species conquered racism, poverty, money, greed, starvation, pollution, crime, religious intolerance, disease and so many other issues. This is why star trek has lasted and why the new shows fail. If all you can do is show us a show that is a mirror image of the world we currently live in, why the hell would I waste money paying to see some BS when I can just as easily see the same BS looking out the window or turning to the nightly news, its just garbage!!!! th-cam.com/video/BeWKVMXOikg/w-d-xo.html
Unlike most people I like the Desgin I do feel the nacelles are little issue to me But again alot of this was fuller And i for see a a refit in the future
@@EvanG529 - the behind the scenes stuff going with the JJ Abrams/Bad Robot films are effecting current Star Flute projects. The TH-cam channel Midnight's Edge has done a good job covering it.
@Herbert N Enterprise-D was ugly when it came out... it's still ugly. Enterprise-J is even uglier. And all that ugly still doesn't make Discovery pretty. It's ugly too... evidence of the designers trying too hard to be different.
@@DrewLSsix And Voyager... I still remember people criticizing its spoon look... Trekkies like to complain. Discovery is actually starting to grow on me.
DrewLSsix I never did lol, the NX Enterprise, the TOS Enterprise, the E-A, C and E-E I liked, but the D always seemed bloated, too top heavy (not that it matters in space, but still).
I mean, that’s cool it’s growing on you. For me it both aesthetically looks bad and is illogical. I don’t like most of the TNG designs, especially the Galaxy and Intrepid, and Norway classes, but I can understand the designs in universe. Discovery to me not only looks unappealing, but thinking about it from an in universe perspective, the design is space inefficient as the cut out rings in the saucer represent a loss of internal volume, and create more surface area. The ship is more resource intensive because of this design choice. Further, it has a lot of structural week points with the tiny connecting corridors, and think of all the space that would be taken up by adding machinery to make the outer hull rotate, on top of the fact that it would need an inner hull under the rotating section to keep the thing airtight. For me these things just pile on to an unappealing design and contribute to a loss of immersion. I’ll grant that they could be construed as nit-picks. But for me they are part of an overall aesthetic that the show uses that I find unappealing. It’s all personal opinion, so again, I’m glad you are warming up to it. It’s not for me though.
A C I did my own revision of the D when I was younger, it involved rotating the saucer 90 degrees shortening the neck a lot and lengthening the nacelles with back swept pylons.... then the E came out a few years later 🤷♂️
The final version of the Discovery actually does have Starfleet hull livery. It's located on the outboard sides of the warp nacelles and was inspired by the design seen in TNG.
I kind of wish the Discovery (and the Glenn) had an NX registry. It would've fit nicely with the highly experimental nature of the spore drive
In this case, they may have avoided the experimental registry to help hide it. With a normal registry number, it would appear in paperwork to be just a normal craft, rather then a highly experimental ship.
@@keirfarnum6811 but it was unknown to most people that the discovery even existed
Well Discovery starship was one of the original designs for the Constitution class Enterprise. But it was shelved. When Gene died Ms Roddenberry. Had it in there will The there exec was to inherit Star Trek&Paramount. Which is smart. He came across 1/2 done shows like Contact. Then TV series Enterprise, Voy, DS9, Discovery. But Picard is just a continuation of TNG,VOY&DS9. Frankly, I’ve seen some of the TV series. It feels awkward. Not uncomfortable/afront to sexuality&etc.
👇🏻👉🏻way out of left field: Star Wars is good against evil w/ good&bad space wizards evil empire army against a smaller military ragtag group. There r no death stars in Star Trek.
Star Wars rides the coat tails of Star Trek. 👈🏻👆🏻.
Pretty rude to not even leave a link for that used mattress
I know. I was very interested in buying it until I saw those nasty stains!
They don't even match the blood stains on my nice shredded mismatched curtains! How awful. My crack den will look like absolute garbage now!
I'm sure I'll find a nice rug with feces or blood stains that I like... everyone knows the rug really ties the room together.
I don’t care for the design of Discovery, BUT the version of the Enterprise that showed up at the end of DIS season 2 is probably my absolute favorite design for Enterprise I’ve ever seen. It’s so sleek yet sturdy looking, and I LOVE how the pylons are super angled backward, but not too flattened down. The drive section has the nice barrel shape, the nacelles are intimidating but not stupidly over sized like in the reboot movies, ah I just love that Enterprise so much! Take that model and replace it’s saucer section with the almost cruise ship like looking saucer section if Enterprise D and you got my dream ship right there.
My favorite thing about the new enterprise is that it looks EXACTLY like what I would imagine a successor to the NX01 to look like. The nacelles look just like an evolved version of the nx01, and even the swept back nacelle pylons. Once you look at the full lineage of enterprises, the og looks very out of place (of course by no fault of its own, it was the first) but now we know the nx01 came before it the new one is just superb
I would think the sphere is a nod to one of Matt Jeffries' early TOS Enterprise designs, now accepted as the Daedalus class. ;-)
Which was also of course paid tribute to by Dr. Crusher's super cool future medical ship! I love the Pasteur.
It was so satisfying when playing ST Timelines, I destroyed Discovery with the ISS Enterprise.
Oh, Fuck You long live Federation
Long live the empire!
It must have felt great to destroy this hunk of garbage!
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Lol, destroying the Discovery as any faction should bring one great joy.
Awesome. I really like how the discovery is blocked out in basic shapes.
Circle,
Rectangle,
Triangle.
Simplicity in elegance. Never knew hard lines could look good on a ship.
@MonkeyZorr: shut up, fool.
@MonkeyZorr "There is NO elegance in that design" your mind isn't elegant enough to comprehend it. There is an abstract geometric elegance to its austere minimalism. This sits up there just below the E for me. The D is still by far the best ship in my view, of course. You hate the show, and by extension the ship. It's all subjective.
We need a discovery pizza cutter.
But cheese will get stuck in the gaps
I'd buy one
More like fidget spinner.
@Herbert N right but the Discovery pizza cutter could be very true to the original.
Herbert
Totally agree with you. I'm guessing trekking don't really do new material though, judging by their hangups on something made 30 / 50 years ago! 😁
Junkball Media, keeping the audience vague as to whether or not he actually likes Discovery since 2017, probably.
The vibe I get is that he's disappointed in a lot of aspects about it, but he'll keep watching it as long as it exists. That's how I feel about it. A lot of times I'm like "WTF?! Just... no!!" but the stories are watchable even if they're not really all that... Trek. I started showing Discovery to someone recently and she just could not get past those "Klingons" and made me stop the first episode like 5 or 10 minutes in.
How is your life enriched by that kind of information? he does info on ship design
@@GameSack I feel the same way. If I'm being honest with myself, it's a modern day Trek and that's really enough to make me watch it. If anything out of curiosity. There are some good bits in there, even if the whole thing was mostly disappointing overall. I just can't get past the fact that, in my opinion, it would have worked much better being set post Voyager. It would have taken just a few storyline tweaks, the visuals would mostly have fit. I think everyone would have been much more forgiving of it if that were the case. For some reason though CBS and Paramount seem to think that TOS era is the only thing people care about (or the only thing that will make money). Now they've even pulled the Spock card for next season! At least they seem to be coming around though with the Picard series. It could very well turn out to be garbage but at least we get to see Patrick Stewart in the role again. I don't think his presence alone can save it if it's bad though, see: what Disney did to Luke Skywalker. Here's hoping everything turns out great though!
At the moment, thumbs down. Tedious build up, then awful payoff. I'll keep watching because I see two possible outcomes. 1. The show may redeem itself. 2. Season Two will be a train wreck that I can't turn my eyes away from.
Junkball Media I’m comforted some folks will hate watch it and summarize the episodes online.
I'm glad you put that part in about only the surface spinning. That makes it seem less ridiculous. But I swear I've seen the hull to a loopy-loop kind of thing where the inner and outer saucer section spin on an axis that would run from front to back. Did I imagine this or does the ship really do that? God I hated that.
Game Sack It does that likely as an optical effect of the drive, just like warp drive traditionally distorts the ships appearance in several ways.
The original warp effect was of the Enterprise slowly fading away, while the most familiar effect is the longitudinal pointed distortion seen in TNG DS9 VGR and the later films.
It might help to consider those effects as non diegetic as they seem to change often until the start of TNG and for no more reason than the producers wanting to try something different.
I’m pretty your referring to the “spore flip” but idk.
Dreadnought AI That’s what I think. The DISCO seems to do warp drive pretty conventionally. Though if people REALLY want DSC to be era correct they should complain about that also because the Enterprise in The Cage had its very own unique warp effect!
I just had a thought🤭 what is the spore drive is actually kept for a while! Like all the way until the end of the TOS films? We would then have a legit answer for how the TOS ships could traverse the galaxy like nothing then TNG came along with some crazy speed limits.
I mean, according to current trek canon Kirk and friends should just now be getting back from visiting god at the center of the galaxy lol.
If just the surface is spinning but the interior isn't, that what's it good for? Should that scare klingons away?
3Hification - presumably there's some tech relevant to the spore drive in those surfaces.
Far more appropriate than the entire Rings spinning, as It would suggest either the entire saucer section is taken up by spore Drive Tech, or a load of unnecessary living quarters, science labs, and recreational facilities are pointlessly being taken along for the Ride.
did the designer have a few strokes between all the nice looking ships he did and this one?
John Eaves worked with what was given to him: a bad sketch from the otherwise incredibly talented Ralph McQuarrie. I bet if Producer Fuller didn't force him to use this as a starting point Eaves would've delivered another great ST ship. His Enterprise-E is nearly perfect in every way and its sad to see what he had to design for Discovery.
I think it would look better with a larger saucer section
5:47 i kinda like this version better than the final one. My head canon is this is a stock Crossfield, the final version is the Spore-drive refit.
I knew I had seen the sketch for that damn ship, when I was a kid it was a concept for the new Enterprise before the first film was made. Some people did not believe me when I said "Discovery is just a recycled idea from the late 1970s."
The making of Star Trek, the book
"I have no idea how I'm gonna end this video."
Just like the producers of STD.
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This is the only channel I actually get excited about when I see a new video post.
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Minor inaccuracy: Discovery does have the Starfleet pendant on the forward/outboard panel of the engine nacelles. It isn't easy to spot.
This videos are actually therapy. Just the thing you need in lockdown.
Love this channel! Thanks for making these!
Thanks. I just watched your Apple Leather Case unboxing review the other day. I appreciate your solid work.
1:12 actually it wasn’t Ralph McQuarrie who created that concept art, it was simply found in one of his folders. The name of the guy who actually did it eludes me, but there was a note in the folder identifying him as the artist.
I would seriously watch you do a deep dive into just about any topic. I like your super laid-back yet informative style.
Actually the ship is my least issue with the show :/ it's all the other elements that were plagiarized from the 2014 indie game "Tardigrades".
I gave YOU a thumbs-up......NOT the ship.
Same here!!!
SovsBorg Did you win something?
The USS Shenzhou is a really nice design.
I wish the show was about Capt. Georgiou & her ship.
But no, they kill her off & destroy her ship in favor of the Fugly Discovery & a guy trying too hard to be a Capt. Kirk.
@@OOTurokYou obviously haven't seen season two.
If the discovery went into atmosphere it would immediately tear apart
That’s true of most Star Trek ships
STD Series 3 Episode 1.... It did, and no it didn't tear apart
Gonna have a controversial opinion, I think the discovery ship looks quite cool especially seeing their design inspiration and thought process, also didn't know the thing about crossfield being named after a pilot or the walker being named after a pilot. I also really liked the crossfield class as it was a pretty neat departure, kinda the same but different, especially without the poorly designed bridge dome on top. Feels like a ship designed for war.
I feel like so many of the concept art pictures were much stronger than the final product.
The ship still looks dumb and I do not like it. I wish the Shenzhou was the main ship of the show (but scaled down in size so its saucer section is the same size as the constitution class).
krim7 I don’t get the obsession with thinking the Constitution class was supposed to be the largest ship in the fleet?
It is never stated anywhere in canon, it is often referred to as a cruiser. And cruisers are not traditionally large ships. It’s sometimes called a “heavy” cruiser, a term that doesn’t really exist in real world navies except in response to a certain treaty.
It is often shown to be the most advanced ship class of the fleet, but that has little to do with size. Being vastly more advanced than the Shenzou can simply mean better in every way and more compact overall.
The Shenzhou was awesome! Like who passed the design for the discovery?
I just googled Shenzhou and for me it looks like an oversized Miranda. and we know what happens to Miranda ships don't we?
@@DrewLSsix It's stupid to assume the Constitution ISN'T the largest class of her time. Like, no. Why else would she have been the hero ship of the first Trek series if she wasn't the most formidable ship in the fleet?
@@DrewLSsix Do you think anybody regularly makes it a practice to take their littlest ship and call them the fleet's *flagship*?
Just because DISCO's showrunners love the smell of their own farts doesn't mean you have to, too.
I love the look into the design process. Nice job! Still a pretty ugly ship, though.... IMHO.....
I think it went from hideous in it's original configuration to "okay" in the show. It is growing on me though.
Purdue1986Boiler I like the show and ship well enough but actually think the trailer version was better if just cleaned up for production filming.
It looked like something that could have directly preceded the TOS Enterprise design, and The recessed section reminds me of the Oberth class. A ship I have long thought must predate the TOS era by a long time, the Grissom has a 3 digit registration number far lower than anything seen from TOS and later designs and it lacks any sort of lighting effects for the engines or other non window elements. Just like the very early Cage era Enterprise.
If there’s still a design element that links them it would have to be the windows, the canon size of the Oberth would clash with the deck count you get going by the bumper of window rows on the model. But Discovery has a unique design where many decks have two levels of windows, if you layout the Oberth deck plan along side it’s external model you get several decks that would have two rows of windows!
Oh, and the nacelles being attached directly to the hull is shared between them.
Yep i don't like it either. Looks like they took a saucer and strapped a klingon D7 to the back of it. Even the spere in the saucer in front has echos of the D7.
As a designer i think it was a bad choice to go back to concept art. There's usually a reason why it got stuck to being concept art, because it was NOT the best design. The design grew, changed and then became the final design in the constitution class. That design best matched the vision of rodenberry and what he wanted for star trek, the concept disovery is based on didn't. To me discovery does not feel like a star fleet ship at all, simply becauses of the very wide, angular back section that looks nothing like anything we ever saw before in star fleet. As i already said, the back looks more like a klingon ship then a star fleet ship. They should have made the effort to design something new. Plenty of ideas and creatives out there. But the show seems in short supply of those for anything they do as in general, i don't like the design choices they made (or the show in general for that matter). The general aesthetic of the show is nothing like star trek or star fleet for me.... The aesthetic of the show looks more like Battlestar: Discovery or Star trek: The expanse. :)
I think that the Discovery, the STB Enterprise and de SBC Aegis are the most beautiful ships in the Star Trek history.
Just love the way this guy makes this kind of video's.
The ultimate problem with the design of the ship is that they used an early and unused concept sketch from the design process for another ship. There is a reason why they didn’t go with that concept sketch. Because it’s bad. Designers make dozens of these kinds of sketches when finding which one fits. It’s ludicrous that everyone treats everything that the original artists did like they’re the end all be all of designs. You know, in the design process, you end up making a lot of SHIT before you make something that’s good and works. Like Chewbacca, they didn’t use the first idea they thought of. But rebels took their first idea and made that ugly THING
So glad you're back to the videos! Genuinely missed your chat and sense of humour
(Trying to convey in a neutral emotion)
I love Eaves, I don't blame him for what he was given to work with, but still Fuller should've given Eaves some slack to come up with another legendary ship and not polish up wadded up art that Gene Roddenberry and or others threw away.
At least with the Phase II Enterprise, it still had familiarities that people would recognize and welcome more willingly than McQuire's (in my opinion) lazy "concept".
The McQuarrie design predates SW and was *approved* - the movie was halted during preproduction.
all the early concept designs are better then the finished look
I really dislike this design. When I heard that John Eaves was the designer, I was was even more disappointed by it. But to be fair, that original Ralph Mcquarrie concept was flawed from the very beginning. The round saucer and the angular Star Destroyer hull never flowed together.
John Eves is a naughty man, He pushes his own house style over what is appropriate for the era - something Andrew Probert wouldn't do I suspect.
He also shoves things on ships that should be there like visible RTS Thrusters : but it's not important as I don't consider Discovery in continuity with anything else (not even Enterprise really) so they can do what they like and the more the make it not Star Trek like the more it reinforces the point it's not the same universe - regardless what the Production intimates.
But The Discovery herself is way down the list of things "wrong" with this show - the list is a lot longer than the ships looking more like an Enterprise Sequel than a TOS prequel.
@@90lancaster Oh, I'd love to know what Probert has to say about this design. He was never fond of the "All Good Things" Enterprise-D redesign either. Square and round don't mix.
That said, we can't blame all on the designer. In the end It's the show runners that pick the art direction. If the designer comes up with many different ideas and the director has no taste and picks the lamest of them all, well then you get this (and the JJ-prise).
@@ZoidFile Interesting challenge to approach the "Galaxy-X" with your French Curves and no straight lines to the parts they added (like the Phaser lance).
I always though the 3rd Pylon was under designed a bit.
@@90lancaster If you are interested, there is a series here on TH-cam called "Trekyards". They have an interview with Andrew Probert about designing the Enterprise-D and how he would have approached the Galaxy-X.
Regardless of anything else, this design had an epic journey to finally see the light of day!
I would probably watch this channel just for your voice and the music, so the Star Trek is a bonus!
Tje doscovery would look a lot better with red orange nacelle bussard collector like on tos add in the tos pin stripping and shorten the nacelles or go with temp nacelles
captianjessie1 If the design was supposed to predate the Enterprise it would make sense if it didn’t have the same features, the pre refit Enterprise didn’t have lit nacelles at all!
I know the ships were new builds and loaded with a whole second star drive but the basic elements resemble the other older ships seen in the show, making me believe the basic parts are established technology while the Enterprise is the newer generation design wise.
It’s not the design I would have gone with, but I have always had a weak spot for the more bizarre Federation ship designs lol.
So the copper look comes from the faded, old paper of the McQuarrie design sketch?
The “Edsel” of starships. It’s like bad fanfic designs that 8th graders did in the 70s. The difference is those 8th graders knew there designs weren’t any good.
Junkball your videos are extremely well done, and I love your comedy. The 80s style really does keep my attention in the way use it as your theme. Awesome content and great job remaining impartial
Fantastic video as always!
So it's actually based on the Canadian Avro Arrow which predates the examples given.
Canada also contributed to putting a man on the moon yet we get no credit for our role in that en-devour either.
No, its based off of the XB-70. The CF-105 Arrow is a smaller interceptor design, while the XB-70 is a larger strategic bomber. The XB-70 has a much longer fuselage and is very different than the CF-105. The Canadian CF-105 shares much of its design elements with American aircraft of the period, such as the Convair F-102 Delta Dagger, they're both delta-wing interceptors from the 50s. The XB-70 was following a later design choice that many aircraft manufacturers of its time were testing. Perhaps you are thinking of the Avro 730, the English design that was cancelled but was to have the same role as the American XB-70?
I love the design.
On hull livery: There are deltas and stripes on the nacelles, but they’re painted silver and tend to blend in to the rest of the hull when photographed. There is also a delta and stripe on Discovery’s belly, but shots in show rarely show it.
Just thought you’d like to know, Junkball. Great video as always!
"so that's the video" I love it
Discovery is the first ship in Star Trek that made me go "Ewwww..." It looks like they spent 10 minutes making it with a ruler.
No they painstakingly designed it to piss ST fans off.
It worked!
@Tildin Han It grew on me after 'while. But yeah, it should have looked less "advanced" than TOS Enterprise and other ships, not more, both from a continuity perspective and the story arc that the humans were the upstart underdogs.
@Tildin Han You mean the Akira class with the flipped nacelles?
Its still hard to believe John Eaves betrayed us like this
Unpopular Opinion: Star Trek Discovery is a good show
I've missed you!! Always love your, ..,well, your stuff!
Am I the only one who likes the uss discovery? (Minus the wired hull texture)
the plane was giving me big fireflash vibes
The bit at 0:41 was pure gold.
Off topic, but I just want to say I love your use of the F13 III theme for your videos. I've always loved that beat and I think it fits so well here.
Could a Friday night get any better, I submit it cannot.
You, sir, deserve more subscribers.
why are your background music choices so good
I go back and forth on whether I like the ship design. I like the longer nacelles and I like the general shape of the ship, I just don't like that the secondary hull is raised up on a neck but the whole back end of the ship is flat. It feels really unbalanced.
1:10 The problem is - Ralph McQuarrie's style (especially in scifi with the wide reaching audience of Star Wars) was something that defined the " used future" aesthetic we see in Star Wars and Alien, i.e. all the 80's. Star Trek was originally made in the 60's when scifi was still 'supposed' to look sleek and clean. [I think Roddenberry even stipulated minimum lines and detail on the hull! "Race car" "dragster" in space with aviation influences] When they did the re-fit in 1979 they updated while still keeping a sort-of 'smooth' aesthetic - at the least EVERYTHING FLOWED and looked good at any filming angle (apply the 1/3 frame thing or the Golden Ration to any angle of the original or refit and it will look good. Applies for the most part to TNG but not Voyager. I can't really count DS9 (since the station was symmetrical and the Defiant too compact - though it applies and makes it work perfect in battle shots). I give up on NX-01 ... too simple to delve into like the Defiant, except a pie tin in the air at any angle would work (I actually dig the NX design in secret).
I think the refit even accentuated this aesthetic by sweeping the nacelle struts back at a V ... and moving the connection of the pylons forward on the secondary hull, which makes sense when we see the new larger shuttle/cargo bay in TMP ... and the ends of the nacelles at angles. I'd bet the angels in which the rim of the saucer, the neck, the struts, the shuttlebay, etc are even on tempo.
Yes, space has no air so why make things aerodynamic etc. But that's the design that was laid out that defines the franchise. It's not the Millenium Falcon it's the Excelsior, it's not a Star Destroyer its the Enterprise yadda yadda.
Referring to a concept that was radically different and never followed through with through 13 films and 4 TV series makes no sense. It's a dead end. It's even dead on the timeline because pre-Discovery ships follow the same aesthetic as Matt Jefferies, Probert, etc.
It looks like carving fork.
P.S. Less Ralph McQuarrie, more Ken Adam.
A deeper look at the creative process is always worthwhile. In your channel's case, doubly so! :-)
2:13 it actually isn't black, it's more of like a dark gold/bronze, but in space it looks black
Woooo! Love it, can't wait for another video!
Great video as usual buddy! Looking forwards for the one about the ship´s final design! Cheers.
Fuller's best comment when we were working on it, "I don't want them to be able to make a toy. I want it to CUT people. That's how flat I want the saucer. Like a pizza cutter." Fuller didn't last long after that. ;) Another rarely known fact. The registry number. Yeah. It changed weeks before he got the boot. He changed it to the Halloween date at the last minute because, "I really like Halloween." Also, the spinning rings was literally last second. Like...DAYS before shipping.
It is fascinating how they took a design the fans HATED and then said "Lets improve on that design and keep it going!"
And that is how they wrote the story.
I really like your videos! Your attention to detail is informative and entertaining, and you have some good humor (I especially love the Marsh Melon episode).
Is there any chance you might do future videos about various shuttlecraft, like the Type 7 and it's various onscreen changes (and it's more ufo-like concept art, and failed attempts to make a full-scale version), the type 6 and it's rebuild from the Star Trek V shuttle and later it's other rebuild into the type 8 and then that random one-off ship in Voyager, the little lower-budget Type 15 Shuttlepod, and so on? Those would be awesome to see.
yes yes yes i am hyped for every new Video from Junkball Media
Great video, thanks! :) As someone who hasn't seen the new show (and won't be watching it!) I was hoping this would be more of an introduction to the new ship. This is really my first look. Seeing all these sketches and visuals, I had no idea which (if any) was the final design. Does the saucer section really rotate? That's a big shock, and it seems too advanced for the timeline it sits in?
@MonkeyZorr Thanks, that seems bizarre!
@@Scripture-Man it's the effect they use for the Spore Drive.
despite some bugs, that startrek game was actually really awesome, and had some of the best environment art/assets any games had. Luckily that game became WARFRAME. Sadly Warframe deviated a lot when it came to characters and mood.
Been waiting all week for this!
Wouldn't it be bad to only have 4 corridors between the inner and outer rings for crew passage?
I confess when it first appeared, I thought some fan had made a fake trailer, and I hated it. But now I quite like it.
cant believe i just discovered your channel! i love your style of videos
wonderful - never knew the Valkyrie and Crossfield connections
Great Video!
7:36 It Actually does have a Pennant,
It's On the Upper Outward facing Slants on the Forward Ends of Both of the Warp Nacelles, It's Coloured White, Similarly to how the Registry was Coloured.
I don't like the open shuttle bay , enemy ship can pretty much blast it way thru the force field once the shields go down.
And so, after all the hard work and thought....We Bring You the 23rd Century Warp powered Pizza Cutter.😒
Actually, it's 22nd century. And it's not a pizza cutter
Just one word to describe that thing: Uuuuugly
at least its not the Enterprise-J
or FUGLY, even?
@@k1productions87
Oh God... which is worse. Fugly Discovery or E-J?
@@OOTurok Enterprise-J, hands down, no contest. The Discovery at least has some positive traits and a few angles she looks good (or at least decent) in. The Universe-class, on the other hand.... I spent 20 minutes flying around one in STO in every possible angle to find at least ONE she looks presentable in,... and it is not possible. There is literally no possible way to make that frizbee and twigs look decent from ANY angle
@@k1productions87
That's true. The space pancake is ugly from every conceivable angle... but the Discovery is a very, very close second for most ugly.
I think the USS Shenzhou is a really badass design though. I really wish the show was about Capt. Georgiou & her ship. I like her character.
Can't stand the Burnham Mary Sue, & I don't care much for the Kirk wannabe Capt Pike.
I'm sorry. Being something of an illustrator myself, I can certainly appreciate the kind of time, effort and creativity that goes into any kind of large-scale project, but that ship is just plain FUGLY.
Always love your uploads!
Came for the cars on this channel, stayed for the sci-fi geek-out!
Apparently Fuller originally wanted the Discovery to disguise itself as a D-7, hence the ball on the neck and the squared-off nacelle housing.
3:53 Reminds me of the tail section of the "F-22 raptor" aircraft.
2020 and its STILL the most ugly thing in starfleet.
even in the 31 it somehow seem out of place
I redact this after the POS ship in Picard.
Very interesting Video. Thanks for this :)
I can accept the design for what it is even though I would have done some things differently. As iconic as a ship can become for a show, the design is not the point of the show for me. It's got warp nacelles, a deflector dish and a saucer section -ok, I'll take it.
The bronze/brass color was an unusual choice as was not going with red for the bussard collectors color.
Dope, the Alpha version from the preview trailer was pretty cool. Thanks!
yes, while it doesn't fit the era the best it still looks star trek, unlike the finished version
I have to address the elephant in the room, that concept for the Enterprise that became the Discovery, WAS REJECTED in the 1970s. As in it was not found favorable, so why in the hell would they use a concept that didn't make the cut?
I Love this Ship!
I'm baffled by how many people dislike the Discovery's design.
I dislike a LOT about the show itself. But the ship design is not one of them.
I love this ships design.
This evolution of Mcquarrie's design is beautiful.
@MonkeyZorr
Disagree.
@MonkeyZorr STD isn't garbage. tha'ts your biased opinion. I like it. And I love Discovery's design. people said the same stuff about Enterprise D when TNG came out, how big the saucer is and how that was jarring and all those curves made it look like a fancy toilet seat cover. Well, the folks who grew up with that loved that.
McQuarrie's original design was awful to begin with. That's why it sat on a cutting room floor for 40 years.
@MonkeyZorr I agree, anything related to that propaganda-fest should be burned and left on an abandoned cutting room floor, where the show belongs. I exclude every other Star Trek series from this because Discovery is not Star Trek, and that is fact.
That is one fugly ship. I knew Discovery would suck as a series the first time I saw it in that CGI trailer they did. And so it proved.
Oh yea, Junkball Media uploaded a new video!
There are definitely elements from the concepts that I think would have worked better aesthetically, such as how the nacelles are mounted slanting outwards in one concept, while in another concept, the secondary hull appears Star Destroyer-like, rather than flat on the top and bottom.
And am I the only one who thinks that the round inset navigational deflector doesn't work as well as a rectangular unit would have? And it's not like rectangular navigational deflectors weren't used in DSC.
This thread is a year old and only has 112k views, proof that the new star treks are grossly unpopular. The link below is only 3 months old (also a Junkball video) but it is from the original timeline and already has over 300K views. That says a lot! Discovery and the Picard show sucks, why did they have to go and screw up the recipe? Its a reason the 60s show grew into a phenomenon that gave rise to star trek TNG, DS9 and Voyager, all lasting 7 years each because the soul of star trek that was born in the 60s was still there, that is the soul of hope, not to say that there is a better future with aliens and whatnot although that is cool as hell, but rather that we as a species conquered racism, poverty, money, greed, starvation, pollution, crime, religious intolerance, disease and so many other issues. This is why star trek has lasted and why the new shows fail. If all you can do is show us a show that is a mirror image of the world we currently live in, why the hell would I waste money paying to see some BS when I can just as easily see the same BS looking out the window or turning to the nightly news, its just garbage!!!!
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is there any even semi sensible reason why would the surface of the saucer spin?
Rule of cool
Unlike most people I like the Desgin
I do feel the nacelles are little issue to me
But again alot of this was fuller
And i for see a a refit in the future
i liked the version seen in the reveal the best
JJ Abrams ruined Star Flute.
This isn't JJ Abrams. The reboot series is great, this is horrid.
@@EvanG529 - the behind the scenes stuff going with the JJ Abrams/Bad Robot films are effecting current Star Flute projects. The TH-cam channel Midnight's Edge has done a good job covering it.
I still say Discovery would be better if JJ directed it. I quite enjoyed Star Trek and Into Darkness.
The Star Wars movies were good to those who don't nitpick.
Bad Robot ruined Star Trek for massive lucrative profit at startrans expense.
04:40 What are "bizarre collectors?" (That's not just me. The closed captions heard it that way, too.)
USS Discovery is like a used mattress: Nobody wants it, but someone will try to sell it anyway.
I thought so too, but then I decided to sleep on it anyway and it turned out to be super comfortable.
She really grew on me.
USS Discovery is like a really shallow, needy, clingy girl. “Why don’t you like me? Aren’t I pretty, tell me I’m pretty..TELL ME!”
Herbert N it is possible for people to think the Ent D is horrible.
@Herbert N
Enterprise-D was ugly when it came out... it's still ugly.
Enterprise-J is even uglier.
And all that ugly still doesn't make Discovery pretty. It's ugly too... evidence of the designers trying too hard to be different.
I thought you were talking about the Orville for a second there.
It is supposed to be black or bronze color? In the show it clearly looks black, but in the eaglmoss model its a bright shade of bronze??
The USS Discovery’s design is deeply... disappointing. End video. (Seriously though, nice video!)
Walter Melon So was the Enterprise D, we got over it....mostly.
@@DrewLSsix And Voyager... I still remember people criticizing its spoon look...
Trekkies like to complain. Discovery is actually starting to grow on me.
DrewLSsix I never did lol, the NX Enterprise, the TOS Enterprise, the E-A, C and E-E I liked, but the D always seemed bloated, too top heavy (not that it matters in space, but still).
I mean, that’s cool it’s growing on you. For me it both aesthetically looks bad and is illogical. I don’t like most of the TNG designs, especially the Galaxy and Intrepid, and Norway classes, but I can understand the designs in universe. Discovery to me not only looks unappealing, but thinking about it from an in universe perspective, the design is space inefficient as the cut out rings in the saucer represent a loss of internal volume, and create more surface area. The ship is more resource intensive because of this design choice. Further, it has a lot of structural week points with the tiny connecting corridors, and think of all the space that would be taken up by adding machinery to make the outer hull rotate, on top of the fact that it would need an inner hull under the rotating section to keep the thing airtight. For me these things just pile on to an unappealing design and contribute to a loss of immersion.
I’ll grant that they could be construed as nit-picks. But for me they are part of an overall aesthetic that the show uses that I find unappealing. It’s all personal opinion, so again, I’m glad you are warming up to it. It’s not for me though.
A C I did my own revision of the D when I was younger, it involved rotating the saucer 90 degrees shortening the neck a lot and lengthening the nacelles with back swept pylons.... then the E came out a few years later 🤷♂️
Fascinating history to the design. I really like it, but not so keen on the bronze finish.