Battleborn is a First Person Shooter/Brawler MOBA with the intersting addition of being a MOBA with a Story mode, the Helix system that tweaks characters and has the Gear system(basically previously prepared items that you activate during the play-through or match). it could have had no Helix system modifiers and First person and Third person view modifiers for PVP matches, but that would have probably stretch the already small playerbase it had even more. also, Battleborn character had in game challenges to unlock lore and skins about them. the Fortress franchise is a Class shooter, with Team fortress 2 being Valve's most refined variant of the Fortress franchise with the loadout system. the Jungle inferno update added the Gas Passer gasoline can on a recharge and damage dealing cooldowns could have been how their Grandes work. Deadlock looks like a awesome game, I look forward to playing it. amusingly, IF Gearbox was smart, they would have relaunched Battleborn with offline capabilities for story mode and PVP vs Bots, Server hosting for Story mode COOp and PVP matches, and have a PROPER Free2Play version called Battleborn Shareware Edition with the Dojo, Prolouge, Chapter 1, Random story chapter, Character rotation, PVP with Bots and PVP with other people would have been good for it. monetization for the special skins and as a "buy this currency to support the devs" is a good idea.
As a veteran TF2 player, I'd argue that calling it a "hero shooter" instead of a class shooter is a serious misnomer. In almost all hero shooter examples one character is static; they do not change how their weapon works or how they operate mechanically unless a balance change occurs or a special mode is played. TF2's classes not only change based on the loadout you choose, but by the modes you play. Pyro, for example, changes from a flanker-watcher for the attacking team on payload, to the flank denier and hoarder on king of the hill. Pyro even becomes THE flanker by themself, if you set him up right. You don't see Overwatch characters like Reaper become anything other then a flanker, or Symmetra as a defender in a real hero shooter.
I think TF2 should still be recognized as a hero shooter tbh, simply because the gameplay is based around the balancing of a set number of unique characters that fight each other, I think the class system is just an example of TF2 having a unique game mechanic that sets it apart from other hero shooters, you could say marvel rivals is doing this in a certain way with their choice not to add role queue even though it's kinda standard for keep shooters and even mobas and probably other game types too, I feel like the main reason they wanna do that is to keep themselves from feeling like other games as much as possible
@@dehno3538 I see your point, but it's just weird seeing it called a hero shooter when it existed before the term. Class based shooters have been around way way longer like RtCW or Starwars Battlefront
@@dehno3538 The class system isn't a defining trait for it to be a hero shooter. The class system is a trait of a class shooter that existed *before* hero shooters were even coined as a term. I disagree heavily, and i have over 3,500+ hours on TF2.
@@tinajd187 u guys have a point actually lol so what is the difference between a class shooter and a hero shooter then? And is it possible for a game to be both?
People who champion TF2 really need to let it go already. There's still bots on it. You're not fooling anybody. Instead of TF2 being a cherished game left in our memories. It's memory is how riddled with bots it is.
@@itsspookie Just because you stopped playing it doesn't mean that it's not fun anymore lmao. TF2 is still tons of fun, and while Marvel Rivals is fun, no other class based shooter comes close to how much fun tf2 is
Would say both. Valorant, if do right, can win the gun fight even being a worse FPS player. It is as you mentioned, more on tactical site and also on abilities
that was my reasoning but i’ve heard arguments for the opposite that make a lot of sense. in hindsight i feel like i should’ve probably talked them at least a little bit
Devastated not seeing Garden Warfare not being depicted as a hero-shooter in many peoples eyes. It was the middle child between TF2 and Overwatch, and as most middle children go, it has been completely forgotten about in retrospect of the hero shooter genre.
Battleborn is a First Person Shooter/Brawler MOBA with the intersting addition of being a MOBA with a Story mode, the Helix system that tweaks characters and has the Gear system(basically previously prepared items that you activate during the play-through or match). it could have had no Helix system modifiers and First person and Third person view modifiers for PVP matches, but that would have probably stretch the already small playerbase it had even more. also, Battleborn character had in game challenges to unlock lore and skins about them. the Fortress franchise is a Class shooter, with Team fortress 2 being Valve's most refined variant of the Fortress franchise with the loadout system. the Jungle inferno update added the Gas Passer gasoline can on a recharge and damage dealing cooldowns could have been how their Grandes work. Deadlock looks like a awesome game, I look forward to playing it. amusingly, IF Gearbox was smart, they would have relaunched Battleborn with offline capabilities for story mode and PVP vs Bots, Server hosting for Story mode COOp and PVP matches, and have a PROPER Free2Play version called Battleborn Shareware Edition with the Dojo, Prolouge, Chapter 1, Random story chapter, Character rotation, PVP with Bots and PVP with other people would have been good for it. monetization for the special skins and as a "buy this currency to support the devs" is a good idea.
Wolfenstein Enemy Territory is an absolute pioneer. F2P in an era it was unheard of, you needed all the classes to proceed in the map objectives. Being a sneaky sob by disguising as the enemy or playing dead(which was useless because people would just shoot bodies so that medic doesn't revive them)
i haven’t heard of this one before but really wish i had looked into it the way you described it! definitely would’ve earned its own segment in the video i feel
You what this video made me realise? I need to smoke a joint and rewatch Space Ghost Coast to Coast. It's gotta be a decade since i last checked in with it.
I chose to play Battleborn. I was there from launch until shutdown. And you know what? I'm still there because a talented modder from the Battleborn discord figured out how to get the game running offline. It's a great game that was dealt a bad hand. I will die on this hill, and I will regret nothing.
I've never even heard anyone complain about the game being a hero shooter before. This video is the first time I've ever even seen gameplay. I didn't even know if it was third or first person. I think the biggest flaw with the game is that the characters are just ugly.
yeah i really don’t think it looked all that bad, but it also didn’t look all that interesting. maybe under the surface, at least the worldbuilding would’ve been good, but idk they just kinda failed to deliver on that in most people’s eyes
Is no one gonna mention the market gardener stats typo ? It’s not +20% damage while rocket jumping, it’s "critical hit" damage, so x3. +200%. But -20% swing speed.
TF2 is a class based shooter, and the fact you can actively change the weapons used by the Mercs set it apart from hero shooters You’re not playing AS (class) you’re playing WITH (class)
The market grander doesn’t deal 20% more damage while rocket jumping, I think you misread the part of the stats where it says it fires 20% slower. It’s actually more like 200% more damage, since it deals critical hits while rocket jumping.
It's extremely niche at this point but i feel like Hyenas is missing on this list. Overshadowed by Concords failure its crazy how Sega made a whole Hero Extraction shooter. And then killed the entire game a few months or so before the intended release. Nobody knows that game existed despite it having some really interesting ideas and concepts. I feel like you really either strike gold with Hero shooters or absolutely vanish in obscurity. Oh also honorable mention. Dirty Bomb was a peak game for it's time. Still holds up despite the publisher abandoning it. It's in comparison to most of the dead games on this list at least still playable.
*Sees video about hero shooters *Doesn't mention Gundam Evolution *Sad face Another failed hero shooter but not because it was bad, it was literally everything else about it.
@vendor_aguywhovends I can, dude they just did EVERY. SINGLE. THING. WRONG WITH A LIVE SERVICE! Over priced cosmetics, nothing to grind, battle pass progression was slow, characters were hard to unlock if you weren't spending money, net code was rough, the PS4 version was unoptimized, there was no backfilling so if someone left they were at a disadvantage the whole game. Game had no hype, the character selection was questionable, the art style was very lacking (although it wasn't bad). Despite all that the game was AMAZING, it solved the classic hero shooter problem of role queue by having every mobile suit basically play the same, yeah you had suits that could tank or heal but it was basically all DPS characters that can do one thing or another, it even solved the sniper problem by having every character be able to rez fallen teammates. Dude that game for all its faults was still a solid time and it's death will not be forgotten. I'm sorry for rambling I love that game.
haven’t heard of this one before i can’t lie, but some other people in the comments mentioned it to. live service games are tough to pull off i guess :/
@Noot_Official Aw it was so good, legit it was the only hero shooter to solve the role queue problem by making every character be able to rez, every character have passive healing over time, every character had mobility (some better than others) and basically every character was a DPS with aspects of tank/support. Legit there was a character that was basically Mercy and Torbjorn put together and could shoot while healing an ally.
agreed, plus in this ear of people wanting a GOOD protagonist with good gameplay and story, the Game Franchise that is the Love Letter to Action Hero genre and Sci fi series called Duke Nukem would be PERFECT to make a new awesome entry for them. Just make sure that Duke is awesome that wants everyone to be their own version of awesome, and not the Asshole Duke.
@@jackmcmorrow9397 redemption arc for Gearbox would be relaunching Battleborn with offline mode, server hosting, a proper free2playeProlouge, Chapter 1 and Random story with random crew rotation, plus better Duke Nukem version(saving babes feature, Duke Nukem 64 levels and arsenal, give the option for normal arsenal to have alt fire) and a new GOOD Duke Nukem game, GOOD Borderlands upgrades.
Honestly i feel bad for the concord devs because it sucks to see all that effort and coding and the work the people put into the game turn out like that. It didn't help that it was also getting dogged on for being a generic hero shooter in a saturated industry. Its just weird how games like it simply cant be accessed at all because it did have a small cult following from what i gathered. Regardless it was definitely a failed industry plant
I always thought of R6 and Valorant as part of a subgenre of hero shooters. Kinda like how I'd think of Deadlock differently than OW or Rivals or Paladins, which are much more similar.
amusingly, IF Gearbox was smart, they would have relaunched Battleborn with offline capabilities for story mode and PVP vs Bots, Server hosting for Story mode COOp and PVP matches, and have a PROPER Free2Play version called Battleborn Shareware Edition with the Dojo, Prolouge, Chapter 1, Random story chapter, Character rotation, PVP with Bots and PVP with other people would have been good for it. monetization for the special skins and as a "buy this currency to support the devs" is a good idea.
@@jackmcmorrow9397 the funny and sad thing is E-sports scenes are the 10% of playerbase, while the 90% of the playerbase is the one that gets you money. they should have made a good game fr the regular players and the e-sports is a prop player aside thing.
Seeing people asking for role queue in rivals like, nah go back to overwatch, the ability to mix and match however you want is half the fun, especially with team ups
i would love to see it. not sure what they’d really do other than a graphics upgrade like with CS2, i really wouldn’t want them messing with the classes. some new weapons could be cool though
I would personally like to see a hero shooter try not having roles and just letting players adapt to whats needed via loadouts and items. Every hero shooter has a problem with players instalocking dps and forcing others to sacrifice their fun to win. Theres also an issue with rosters having way more dps than heroes in other roles. Idk what you can do about this as it is simply way easier to design a fun dps than a hero who's main job is either healing or holding objectives.
TF2 is not a hero shooter. It’s a class base shooter like Star Wars battlefront 2. Considering you just said that the term hero shooter definition came around 2014 you obviously should know that TF2 came out in 2007 and realized that calling the mercenaries heroes is kind of stupid considering these guys are not heroes their killers for hire.
There's so much wrong information in this video it's crazy. I was going to ask if it was written by AI but that would just pull the correct information from Google anyway...
I spent all of middle and most of high school playing overwatch. Abount around the Mercy and Roadhog rework was when i dropped out. I remember the game already being nearly milked dry by then. Since i havent touched the genre, than rivals dropped. I think it appeals to exactly that same audience and if they continue their current model ill probably keep playing.
yeah i was a big overwatch guy when it first dropped, sounds like we’re probably around the same age lmao. grinded a lot when it first came out. was also kinda turned off from the game over the years but Rivals scratching that same itch for me, hopefully it stays good
ROLE QUEUE AINT BAD they just need to keep a game mode that is open queue. Cause role queues are just there to make teams work and not having a buch of dps one trick wussies in the same team that cant switch
I really liked gigantic:rampage edition for a good bit. It does SO much right. But the long TTKs, although helping add some strategic depth and keeping action going, hurts the feeling of empowerment. Also, the game totally lacks long-term progression. There is NOTHING getting you to come back to it.
tf2 is not a hero shooter it a class based shooter like battlefield,HS character based on ability and has only 1 weapon that can't customize,CBS the character has weapons loadout that can customize,roles,abilities and Playstyle is based on weapons and equipment not ability😅
God I miss Battleborn. Its basically all I could have asked from a MOBA. I go to League, and I'm put off by the lack of non-competitive game modes and repetition. I go to DOTA, and I'm put off by the utterly sauceless character design and awkward for beginners gameplay. Battleborn had the multiple game modes, had the good characters, had everything I wanted and was up my alley. But I guess it'll just be my personal Gigantic.
amusingly, IF Gearbox was smart, they would have relaunched Battleborn with offline capabilities for story mode and PVP vs Bots, Server hosting for Story mode COOp and PVP matches, and have a PROPER Free2Play version called Battleborn Shareware Edition with the Dojo, Prolouge, Chapter 1, Random story chapter, Character rotation, PVP with Bots and PVP with other people would have been good for it. monetization for the special skins and as a "buy this currency to support the devs" is a good idea. Gigantic is also awesome. Paragon was as well.
@Noot_Official For me, it was a revolving door of Clockwork(forgot his name) Calaban, and Galatea. It was seeing her in this video that reminded me how much I liked the characters of that game.
the funny thing is, out of the Three Major May 2016 releases, Magnificent and Metal Doom 2016 and Fun, Hilarious and Underrated Battleborn were the ones with both a story mode and PVP. so, there is a reality where Hero shooters have a story mode(eve a basic one where it is practically a glorified Player vs Bots offine match for training), a Helix system that allows you to modify and upgrade your character as you level up and has MOBA style game modes plus more Player vs Player game modes like Face off? also I am of the opinion that IF Battleborn has stable and had survived until now, we could have had modifiers for First person View and Third Person view as well as no Helix system character modifcation for a leveling up and a Gear store in match. quite interesting to think about.
“Class shooter” players when their favorite “class” is renamed Jeff. They’re indistinguishable in function. Valve even cashed in on the identification with their meet the series. They’re the same thing lol
@@abyssaldision8272 if you don't see the difference between a class shooter like tf2 and a hero shooter you're actually braindead. Tf2 doesn't have any of the hallmarks of a hero shooter.
So Deadlock is a Battleborn clone
Basically
no, team fortress classic existed before battleborn, the genre just didnt have a name most people agreed upon
Battleborn is an approximation of a MOBA through a shooter lens. Deadlock is a TRUE MOBA and Shooter hybrid.
Battleborn is a First Person Shooter/Brawler MOBA with the intersting addition of being a MOBA with a Story mode, the Helix system that tweaks characters and has the Gear system(basically previously prepared items that you activate during the play-through or match). it could have had no Helix system modifiers and First person and Third person view modifiers for PVP matches, but that would have probably stretch the already small playerbase it had even more. also, Battleborn character had in game challenges to unlock lore and skins about them.
the Fortress franchise is a Class shooter, with Team fortress 2 being Valve's most refined variant of the Fortress franchise with the loadout system. the Jungle inferno update added the Gas Passer gasoline can on a recharge and damage dealing cooldowns could have been how their Grandes work.
Deadlock looks like a awesome game, I look forward to playing it.
amusingly, IF Gearbox was smart, they would have relaunched Battleborn with offline capabilities for story mode and PVP vs Bots, Server hosting for Story mode COOp and PVP matches, and have a PROPER Free2Play version called Battleborn Shareware Edition with the Dojo, Prolouge, Chapter 1, Random story chapter, Character rotation, PVP with Bots and PVP with other people would have been good for it. monetization for the special skins and as a "buy this currency to support the devs" is a good idea.
I guess so.
As a veteran TF2 player, I'd argue that calling it a "hero shooter" instead of a class shooter is a serious misnomer. In almost all hero shooter examples one character is static; they do not change how their weapon works or how they operate mechanically unless a balance change occurs or a special mode is played. TF2's classes not only change based on the loadout you choose, but by the modes you play. Pyro, for example, changes from a flanker-watcher for the attacking team on payload, to the flank denier and hoarder on king of the hill. Pyro even becomes THE flanker by themself, if you set him up right. You don't see Overwatch characters like Reaper become anything other then a flanker, or Symmetra as a defender in a real hero shooter.
I think TF2 should still be recognized as a hero shooter tbh, simply because the gameplay is based around the balancing of a set number of unique characters that fight each other, I think the class system is just an example of TF2 having a unique game mechanic that sets it apart from other hero shooters, you could say marvel rivals is doing this in a certain way with their choice not to add role queue even though it's kinda standard for keep shooters and even mobas and probably other game types too, I feel like the main reason they wanna do that is to keep themselves from feeling like other games as much as possible
i have 1306 hours in tf2 , being playing over 10 years, and i dint get it , like , us really that ofensive that label , idk
@@dehno3538 I see your point, but it's just weird seeing it called a hero shooter when it existed before the term. Class based shooters have been around way way longer like RtCW or Starwars Battlefront
@@dehno3538 The class system isn't a defining trait for it to be a hero shooter. The class system is a trait of a class shooter that existed *before* hero shooters were even coined as a term.
I disagree heavily, and i have over 3,500+ hours on TF2.
@@tinajd187 u guys have a point actually lol so what is the difference between a class shooter and a hero shooter then? And is it possible for a game to be both?
havent seen a bot in tf2 since summer at least community seems to tentatively be fine
People who champion TF2 really need to let it go already. There's still bots on it. You're not fooling anybody.
Instead of TF2 being a cherished game left in our memories. It's memory is how riddled with bots it is.
@@itsspookie You've clearly not played the game for past 6 months if you think that, Valve nuked all of them, the game is bot free now
@@thetakenusername1005 No I haven't played the game in years because I moved on already. You're right.
@@itsspookie Just because you stopped playing it doesn't mean that it's not fun anymore lmao. TF2 is still tons of fun, and while Marvel Rivals is fun, no other class based shooter comes close to how much fun tf2 is
@@itsspookieclaims there are still bots, but hasn't actually touched the game, math isn't mathing here
5:33 GARDEN WARFARE MENTIONED!
RAAAAAAH
Valorant and rainbow are tac shooters, the focus is on gunplay instead of abilities
Would say both. Valorant, if do right, can win the gun fight even being a worse FPS player. It is as you mentioned, more on tactical site and also on abilities
that was my reasoning but i’ve heard arguments for the opposite that make a lot of sense. in hindsight i feel like i should’ve probably talked them at least a little bit
Spy creeping around here...
i think i’ve got something for that ⛽️🔥
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Devastated not seeing Garden Warfare not being depicted as a hero-shooter in many peoples eyes. It was the middle child between TF2 and Overwatch, and as most middle children go, it has been completely forgotten about in retrospect of the hero shooter genre.
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Battleborn is a First Person Shooter/Brawler MOBA with the intersting addition of being a MOBA with a Story mode, the Helix system that tweaks characters and has the Gear system(basically previously prepared items that you activate during the play-through or match). it could have had no Helix system modifiers and First person and Third person view modifiers for PVP matches, but that would have probably stretch the already small playerbase it had even more. also, Battleborn character had in game challenges to unlock lore and skins about them.
the Fortress franchise is a Class shooter, with Team fortress 2 being Valve's most refined variant of the Fortress franchise with the loadout system. the Jungle inferno update added the Gas Passer gasoline can on a recharge and damage dealing cooldowns could have been how their Grandes work.
Deadlock looks like a awesome game, I look forward to playing it.
amusingly, IF Gearbox was smart, they would have relaunched Battleborn with offline capabilities for story mode and PVP vs Bots, Server hosting for Story mode COOp and PVP matches, and have a PROPER Free2Play version called Battleborn Shareware Edition with the Dojo, Prolouge, Chapter 1, Random story chapter, Character rotation, PVP with Bots and PVP with other people would have been good for it. monetization for the special skins and as a "buy this currency to support the devs" is a good idea.
Wolfenstein Enemy Territory is an absolute pioneer. F2P in an era it was unheard of, you needed all the classes to proceed in the map objectives. Being a sneaky sob by disguising as the enemy or playing dead(which was useless because people would just shoot bodies so that medic doesn't revive them)
Field promotions so you had better equipment or abilities. Voice commands instead of having to talk.
i haven’t heard of this one before but really wish i had looked into it the way you described it! definitely would’ve earned its own segment in the video i feel
man the few frames of battlerite was a nostalgia hit.
You what this video made me realise? I need to smoke a joint and rewatch Space Ghost Coast to Coast. It's gotta be a decade since i last checked in with it.
you gotta man, great show
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(Excellent job on this video.)
Thanks bud, very glad to have you in the comments as always 🤝
I chose to play Battleborn. I was there from launch until shutdown. And you know what? I'm still there because a talented modder from the Battleborn discord figured out how to get the game running offline. It's a great game that was dealt a bad hand. I will die on this hill, and I will regret nothing.
One good title in the whole genre and somehow they still get made.
only ONE good title? imma have to disagree
@Noot_Official other than tf2, what is there that has justified its own existence?
The secret level episode for Concord sold me that the world they made was amazing but should have never been a hero shooter
I've never even heard anyone complain about the game being a hero shooter before. This video is the first time I've ever even seen gameplay. I didn't even know if it was third or first person. I think the biggest flaw with the game is that the characters are just ugly.
@@youcantbeatk7006 idk, secret level of them looks fine, but having a disastrous marketing and being a generic hero shooter seriously does not help
@@leesasuki People like generic hero shooters. People don't look ugly games unless they're Cruelty Squad.
yeah i really don’t think it looked all that bad, but it also didn’t look all that interesting. maybe under the surface, at least the worldbuilding would’ve been good, but idk they just kinda failed to deliver on that in most people’s eyes
@@Noot_Official If you haven't yet, I highly recommend the Secret Level episode. It's really good
Is no one gonna mention the market gardener stats typo ?
It’s not +20% damage while rocket jumping, it’s "critical hit" damage, so x3. +200%.
But -20% swing speed.
Good stuff as always brotha
thanks boss 🤝
TF2 is a class based shooter, and the fact you can actively change the weapons used by the Mercs set it apart from hero shooters
You’re not playing AS (class) you’re playing WITH (class)
The market grander doesn’t deal 20% more damage while rocket jumping, I think you misread the part of the stats where it says it fires 20% slower. It’s actually more like 200% more damage, since it deals critical hits while rocket jumping.
oops you’re right. my bad hahaha
I completely agree on having larger team sizes, one of tf2’s best aspects
It's extremely niche at this point but i feel like Hyenas is missing on this list. Overshadowed by Concords failure its crazy how Sega made a whole Hero Extraction shooter. And then killed the entire game a few months or so before the intended release. Nobody knows that game existed despite it having some really interesting ideas and concepts. I feel like you really either strike gold with Hero shooters or absolutely vanish in obscurity. Oh also honorable mention. Dirty Bomb was a peak game for it's time. Still holds up despite the publisher abandoning it. It's in comparison to most of the dead games on this list at least still playable.
A Hero shooter is a 3rd or 1st person pvp game, with Asymmetrical abilities.
Unlike CoD, we can’t all run the same perks and guns.
Is the hero fight in battlefront 2 the first hero shooter?
i mean it came out in 2005 so probably not, but if someone made the argument that it was one, i don’t think i could disagree haha
Very surprised to see Space Ghost throughout the video!
N O O T . . . N O O T . . .
. . . *ME?*
*Sees video about hero shooters
*Doesn't mention Gundam Evolution
*Sad face
Another failed hero shooter but not because it was bad, it was literally everything else about it.
True, I played it, though I can’t believe it shut down
@vendor_aguywhovends I can, dude they just did EVERY. SINGLE. THING. WRONG WITH A LIVE SERVICE! Over priced cosmetics, nothing to grind, battle pass progression was slow, characters were hard to unlock if you weren't spending money, net code was rough, the PS4 version was unoptimized, there was no backfilling so if someone left they were at a disadvantage the whole game. Game had no hype, the character selection was questionable, the art style was very lacking (although it wasn't bad). Despite all that the game was AMAZING, it solved the classic hero shooter problem of role queue by having every mobile suit basically play the same, yeah you had suits that could tank or heal but it was basically all DPS characters that can do one thing or another, it even solved the sniper problem by having every character be able to rez fallen teammates. Dude that game for all its faults was still a solid time and it's death will not be forgotten. I'm sorry for rambling I love that game.
haven’t heard of this one before i can’t lie, but some other people in the comments mentioned it to. live service games are tough to pull off i guess :/
@Noot_Official Aw it was so good, legit it was the only hero shooter to solve the role queue problem by making every character be able to rez, every character have passive healing over time, every character had mobility (some better than others) and basically every character was a DPS with aspects of tank/support. Legit there was a character that was basically Mercy and Torbjorn put together and could shoot while healing an ally.
Don't you ever disrespect Duke Nukem
agreed, plus in this ear of people wanting a GOOD protagonist with good gameplay and story, the Game Franchise that is the Love Letter to Action Hero genre and Sci fi series called Duke Nukem would be PERFECT to make a new awesome entry for them. Just make sure that Duke is awesome that wants everyone to be their own version of awesome, and not the Asshole Duke.
Randy has already disrespected duke more than you ever could.
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@@jackmcmorrow9397 redemption arc for Gearbox would be relaunching Battleborn with offline mode, server hosting, a proper free2playeProlouge, Chapter 1 and Random story with random crew rotation, plus better Duke Nukem version(saving babes feature, Duke Nukem 64 levels and arsenal, give the option for normal arsenal to have alt fire) and a new GOOD Duke Nukem game, GOOD Borderlands upgrades.
i probably wouldn’t have to if Duke Nukem Forever didn’t exist, but unfortunately, it does
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woah buster, better calm down you’re gonna hurt yourself
Honestly i feel bad for the concord devs because it sucks to see all that effort and coding and the work the people put into the game turn out like that. It didn't help that it was also getting dogged on for being a generic hero shooter in a saturated industry. Its just weird how games like it simply cant be accessed at all because it did have a small cult following from what i gathered.
Regardless it was definitely a failed industry plant
I think gigantic still has a community but its on epic games because of the time it was free
bots are gone, all thats left is being left for dead by valve, from the tf2 side
I always thought of R6 and Valorant as part of a subgenre of hero shooters. Kinda like how I'd think of Deadlock differently than OW or Rivals or Paladins, which are much more similar.
Blizzardifacation(casualization) of class shooters.
amusingly, IF Gearbox was smart, they would have relaunched Battleborn with offline capabilities for story mode and PVP vs Bots, Server hosting for Story mode COOp and PVP matches, and have a PROPER Free2Play version called Battleborn Shareware Edition with the Dojo, Prolouge, Chapter 1, Random story chapter, Character rotation, PVP with Bots and PVP with other people would have been good for it. monetization for the special skins and as a "buy this currency to support the devs" is a good idea.
I WISH. OW went down the crapper after Blizzard put all their eggs into the competitive E-sport baskets, despite the OWL going bankrupt.
@@jackmcmorrow9397 the funny and sad thing is E-sports scenes are the 10% of playerbase, while the 90% of the playerbase is the one that gets you money.
they should have made a good game fr the regular players and the e-sports is a prop player aside thing.
TFC, its called Team Fortress Classic.
Seeing people asking for role queue in rivals like, nah go back to overwatch, the ability to mix and match however you want is half the fun, especially with team ups
I feel like this video was made like 2 years ago or less , because he thinks tf2 has a bot problem , resolved that like a few months ago
Deadlock is good af
Ya Know What We Need
TF3
i would love to see it. not sure what they’d really do other than a graphics upgrade like with CS2, i really wouldn’t want them messing with the classes. some new weapons could be cool though
I would personally like to see a hero shooter try not having roles and just letting players adapt to whats needed via loadouts and items. Every hero shooter has a problem with players instalocking dps and forcing others to sacrifice their fun to win. Theres also an issue with rosters having way more dps than heroes in other roles. Idk what you can do about this as it is simply way easier to design a fun dps than a hero who's main job is either healing or holding objectives.
TF2 is not a hero shooter. It’s a class base shooter like Star Wars battlefront 2. Considering you just said that the term hero shooter definition came around 2014 you obviously should know that TF2 came out in 2007 and realized that calling the mercenaries heroes is kind of stupid considering these guys are not heroes their killers for hire.
No gundam evolved
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Wait, Deadlock?
awesomenauts being on screen for a quarter second threw me off.
god i loved that game. such a shame about ronimo
i used to fuck up that game on my laptop back in middle school
There's so much wrong information in this video it's crazy. I was going to ask if it was written by AI but that would just pull the correct information from Google anyway...
my research skills are incredible what can i say
I hate how to they really wanted to forced to insert TF2 as a hero shooter. These are team base shooters.
I spent all of middle and most of high school playing overwatch. Abount around the Mercy and Roadhog rework was when i dropped out. I remember the game already being nearly milked dry by then. Since i havent touched the genre, than rivals dropped. I think it appeals to exactly that same audience and if they continue their current model ill probably keep playing.
yeah i was a big overwatch guy when it first dropped, sounds like we’re probably around the same age lmao. grinded a lot when it first came out. was also kinda turned off from the game over the years but Rivals scratching that same itch for me, hopefully it stays good
I like Battleborn a hell of a lot more than Overwatch, and I was really sad when it got shut down :/
where is pvz Warden Warfer
5:33 (sorry i only showed a clip i probably couldve talked about it a bit)
ROLE QUEUE AINT BAD they just need to keep a game mode that is open queue. Cause role queues are just there to make teams work and not having a buch of dps one trick wussies in the same team that cant switch
Team fortress 2 is not a hero shooter it’s a first person hat simulator.
I really liked gigantic:rampage edition for a good bit. It does SO much right. But the long TTKs, although helping add some strategic depth and keeping action going, hurts the feeling of empowerment. Also, the game totally lacks long-term progression. There is NOTHING getting you to come back to it.
tf2 is not a hero shooter it a class based shooter like battlefield,HS character based on ability and has only 1 weapon that can't customize,CBS the character has weapons loadout that can customize,roles,abilities and Playstyle is based on weapons and equipment not ability😅
It absolutely is a hero shooter. The characters ARE the classes. You can't pick demoman and play with Pyro's loadout.
@jackmcmorrow9397 I mean is that customizing the weapon that suit for that character doesn't mean you can use any weapon or swap equipment😒
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@HảiĐỗ-n9p yes... that's part of WHY it's a hero shooter. What point are you trying to make here?
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God I miss Battleborn. Its basically all I could have asked from a MOBA.
I go to League, and I'm put off by the lack of non-competitive game modes and repetition. I go to DOTA, and I'm put off by the utterly sauceless character design and awkward for beginners gameplay.
Battleborn had the multiple game modes, had the good characters, had everything I wanted and was up my alley. But I guess it'll just be my personal Gigantic.
amusingly, IF Gearbox was smart, they would have relaunched Battleborn with offline capabilities for story mode and PVP vs Bots, Server hosting for Story mode COOp and PVP matches, and have a PROPER Free2Play version called Battleborn Shareware Edition with the Dojo, Prolouge, Chapter 1, Random story chapter, Character rotation, PVP with Bots and PVP with other people would have been good for it. monetization for the special skins and as a "buy this currency to support the devs" is a good idea.
Gigantic is also awesome. Paragon was as well.
i’m sorry for your loss brother 🫡
didn’t play it much but i did have a good time with it i can’t lie. kid ultra was my go to
@Noot_Official For me, it was a revolving door of Clockwork(forgot his name) Calaban, and Galatea. It was seeing her in this video that reminded me how much I liked the characters of that game.
Noot try not mention gigantic challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
it’s an urge i must constantly fight
just remember if you think overwatch is bad now theres another reality where battleborn is the competitive standard....
the funny thing is, out of the Three Major May 2016 releases, Magnificent and Metal Doom 2016 and Fun, Hilarious and Underrated Battleborn were the ones with both a story mode and PVP.
so, there is a reality where Hero shooters have a story mode(eve a basic one where it is practically a glorified Player vs Bots offine match for training), a Helix system that allows you to modify and upgrade your character as you level up and has MOBA style game modes plus more Player vs Player game modes like Face off? also I am of the opinion that IF Battleborn has stable and had survived until now, we could have had modifiers for First person View and Third Person view as well as no Helix system character modifcation for a leveling up and a Gear store in match.
quite interesting to think about.
i kinda liked battleborn so i wouldn’t hate it tbh. both got their pros and cons ig
☝️🤓 "uhm acktchually *insert game here* isn't a hero shooter!!!" Like bro shut up make your own video lol. I ❤ you noot and this video was awesome
ah it’s all good man haha, i don’t mind the criticism. appreciate your support as always though dude!
TF2, is not a hero shooter.
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Tf2 isnt a hero shooter
Its also trash
Didn't watch, came here to dislike and say one thing: Tf2 is a class shooter, take it out of the thumbnail NOW.
“Class shooter” players when their favorite “class” is renamed Jeff. They’re indistinguishable in function. Valve even cashed in on the identification with their meet the series. They’re the same thing lol
@@abyssaldision8272He’s trolling brotha. You fell for the bait lol
Cringe man legit
@@abyssaldision8272 if you don't see the difference between a class shooter like tf2 and a hero shooter you're actually braindead. Tf2 doesn't have any of the hallmarks of a hero shooter.
The classes ARE the characters. Ergo, its a hero shooter.
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