Loving this, my friend! I fell in love with midi guitar controllers after seeing Alan Holdsworth wield the SynthAxe and Pat Metheny on the Roland back in the 80's. Things have come a long way since those early days. Thanks for such a great overview of where things are now. Hope you are doing well!
I am doing great! Just coming out of two weeks of mild Covid, trying to get back to my kickbox routines! 😀 Of course Allan and Pat, but I have come to apprechiate John McLaughlin’s contribution too as of late. 👍
I think part of the problem is that many people buy technology thinking they're buying creativity and not realising that this is only the start of the journey. You are obviously a creative person that works WITH the technology, not against it. Guitarists are notoriously critical of just about any technology unless it's an electric guitar and a valve amp..
You're totally right... but I guess it also is kind of understandable? Drummers have embraced MIDI for the longest time because it maps so well to the instrument - hitting drums at different velocities is a pretty discrete problem whereas we barely entered the age of convenience with polyphonic guitar to MIDI. And still there is mismatch as far as usage is concerned, yeah, we got great virtual instrument like Shreddage, but mapping your emulated MIDI signal to sampler-style instruments still is fairly finicky. Even EWIs are much better off, then you got software not playing nicely (looking at you, FL Studio, where's my MPE support?). That being said, they'll budge regardless. It's easy now, it allows for so much creativity, and, if you're not hardstuck on having dedicated instruments do the thing, is pretty darn accessible. There is still much room left for great digital innovation, but with how we're incredibly close to flexible vocal synthesis, got string instruments mostly figured out (I still have to explore the depths of G2M to be very frank, lots of setups I am planning out at the moment), and how everything else should be covered by great sample libs... we're living in a fantastic time for music making. The people were relics when their views were somehow semi popular or repeated by "educators" like Rick Beato; now that thirty years have passed, people are going to change their minds right quick or, let's face it, were barely ever worth listening to in the first place. My biggest issue at the moment is not having enough time and patience for all my toys, and I'm nowhere near as product obsessed as I would like to be.
Maybe. I'm a Guitarist and Multi-Instrumentalist for the last 48 years, and I still am unhappy with the state of tech integration with my chosen instruments. Just try and tell me that I haven't "paid my dues", or that I shouldn't have been rewarded for my infinite patience by massive improvements, oh let's see... 30 years ago!? 🤨 BTW - before I get lambasted for "not enough involvement", I've been chasing the tech side of this also with such dedication that I became an Electronics Industry employee and Electronics Tech just so I could solve these idiotic problems. I didn't get a chance to resolve them, only because the a**holes running the industry decided to eliminate ALL local jobs to effing "Asian Outsourcing" back in the '90's. I live in the Seattle area, where Rane, Mackie Designs, Boeing, and Symetrix (my alma mater) existed at one time (before I get any guff about being too remote "from an industry hub").
@@billsybainbridge3362 Well I guess it's a journey. I too am on that quest for seamless technological integration but to me it seems that there have been massive improvements in technology over the last 30 years.
Spot on my friend. Right out of the gate you said it. Phrasing! When i first tried midi guitar 2, the freedom was there with tracking, and being able to express the music, and not inhibit phrasing etc. Midi guitar 3's innovation furthers all the possibilities that limited us with the hardware controllers . I have had at least 4 of those over the years. Thanks for a great video.
Thank you for making this! I just found your channel. As a nylon fingerstyle player, I’m not necessarily looking to mimic other sounds, but to use MIDI information to direct individual strings to specific speakers in a multi channel mix. Also as a practice tool - I’d like to see everything align or not (right hand only). Hoping to have all kinds of adventures along the way.
Hy Tyler! I don't know if mimicking other sounds really ever was on the top of my list either, but it is an easy way to help display how far along we are with tracking and MIDI conversion (from audio). But on the other hand, I am no more interested in the actual guitar sound that I am any other, so this is also the best vehicle for me to explore sound manipulation. Not sure I understand "use MIDI information to direct individual strings to specific speakers" though? Are you thinking of having velocity, pitch, or any other MIDI parameter value "choose" speakers? Is it purely a matter of controlling the audio mix with MIDI information from your strings? Having individual strings sending out any messages calls for something like a heaxphonic pickup. Do you have one already, like the Godin perhaps?
I think your musicality is amazing; emulating such difficult instruments with a guitar is truly impressive and proves that the musician has to modify and adapt the way he plays. My experience with synth guitar is quite different: after many years living in Paris, playing in a band, I moved to Normandy’s countryside and I decided to go for an autonomous way of composing and playing live. VG-99 is still my main toolbox, with Graphtech Ghost equipped homemade guitars and Kontakt as my bands and orchestras. I purchased Guitar Midi, but nobody would help me to make it work with Kontakt!! So I hope the next version will be usable for me!! Compactness and simplifying my gear is my goal now. Thank you for your videos!
Hi Christian! The VG-99 is still the only Roland unit I would consider using. I is the Roland flagship in my book. Had it not been for the issues I had with the MIDI OUT from that, I would probably not have moved on to the JamOrigin software. I think I have the breakingpoint represented here on my channel with two videos. One where I used the VG99 together with a kontakt sax, and where the next video was my first stab with the MG2. The difference in results were striking, but I have of course spent a lot of time since trying to learn the ins and outs of MG2 and every particular instrument I want to play as units. There are individual differences to take into consideration for each and every one. Kontakt instrument have been particularly hard since that container have evolved to almost exclusively cater towards keyboard players. But it is obviously playable, and I am sorry to hear you got no help with it. I believe that MG3 will be much easier to get started on, for everyone. But it is also immensely deeper. So if you had a license to your MG2 you’ll get a new chance with MG3 for free. And if you need help with that, just let me know! 😀👍
@@lofileifthank you for your informations. I am really looking forward to MG3, I hope it will make my work easier. You are welcome in Normandy whenever you’re around.
My setup is Fishman Triple Play with a dedicated LEHLE pedal that extends the dynamic range via Soundigy MIDI LAB , the possibilities are endless, muting open strings, creating as many zones as you like, basically anything you can dream up, however you do have to be handy with programing the MIDI LAB.
That sounds Interesting! How do you mean "pedal..extends the dynamic range"? Is MIDI LAB remapping the dynamic information from the FTP when passing it on to the synth sounds? And what pedal is it? The Dual Expression?
MIDI LAB has a "MIDI velocity Amplifiers module" I use 3 of them and depending on the pedal position I route the midi signal to the appropriate amplifier. So if the pedal is at heel down the signal goes to AMP1 that attenuates the midi signal by -13% (for very soft playing), Pedal from heel to mid point passes the signal as it is, Pedal from mid point to almost toe down will send the signal to AMP2 that amplifies the midi signal by +12%, toe all the way down sends the midi signal to AMP3 that amplifies the signal by +45% (this is like when you want to be really loud, it's very helpful because when I pluck the strings very hard a lot of tracking issues might get introduced so with this I can hit hard without introducing these issues) so you "ride the pedal" as you play, pedal to the metal for loud notes, and heal down for those super soft piano notes... or soft saxophone @@lofileif
Yes it's the The Dual Expression pedal, I have two of them, the reason I chose this pedal is because it's very accurate since it's using a Magnetic sensor technology.@@lofileif
@@electrofuzz7396 Nice. I'd be interested on checking some video examples of that in action. Do you by any chance have some examples that can be shared? Or would you be willing to record some? Thanks in advance pal
I used Jam Origin to orchestrate my last acoustic piece. It worked great. Learning another instrument would complicate that process. Using my guitar made it so much easier to get the sounds I heard in my head.
I believe this is one of the premier arguments for using a MIDI Guitar in composing, orchestration or improvisation: that we already know and feel that kind of instrument. The first thing we can start focusing on is stuff like phrasing or actually conveying emotion, rather than stuff like ”how to best finger this note”, or bowing strategies or whatever. The premier argument for the JamOrigin software would be that it is the tool that work the best to achieve it all. 👍
There’s an effect from EHX, called Freeze which holds the note indefinitely, I think having a momentary pedal function that works similar to this could be very useful to get more sustain
Yes, sure! My pedal "Hold" use is surely inspired by effect like that. When I was young we use to make a sonic backdrop by just manipulating the Boss delay pedals if I remember correctly! But are you thinking of using it for the clean audio in (for a MG2/3 setup) or is it to freeze the processed MIDI synth sounds? I tried to manipulate the audio in once with a Gamechanger Audio Plus pedal. Kind of interesting, if you are into that sort of stuff: 😀 th-cam.com/video/8EgWVgprIec/w-d-xo.html
I've set up the Freeze effect block on my Quad Cortex to replicate a sustain pedal when sending audio through Send 1 which triggers MIDI Guitar 2 to my hardware synths
It absolutely does as it's constantly sending audio to MIDI Guitar 2 when enabled. I have uploaded a video explaining my complex, but easy to use setup using 1 guitar, Quad Cortex, MIDI Guitar 2 running on an iPad Mini 2 and my hardware synths :) th-cam.com/video/-E15lazFM_w/w-d-xo.html
The best midi guitar that wasn't an expensive SynthAxe was the Yamaha G10 which used the same principle. I still have two Yamaha G10's which is the poor man's SynthAxe, and a great tool since the late 80's, but MG2 has relegated them to their cases (although they still look cool). Hopefully MG3 is around the corner. Thanks for another great video LoFiLeif.
Oh, I vaguely remember having seen one for sale here in Sweden. But I didn't know enough about it at the time. There is one unit that Allan Holdswoth used, for sale on Reverb. I'd love to have one, but that is way too much of a gamble. As I said, I also do hope you guys too get to use MG3 soon, because there is a whole world of new stuff opening up for us there. 😀 🤞
Being member of the midi-guitar forum on yahoo groups for years (RIP), I am glad to have found your appraisal of where we are in 2023. Really looking forward to JamOrigin new offering!
Thank you! Yes, I really hope that MIDI Guitar 3 helps MIDI guitar to the place it deserves to be, as far as MIDI Controllers in general go. It is such a great tool!
Great and informative video. 😊 It's been a while since your last video. I started to worry and contemplated shooting you a message and ask if you were OK. Learned from one of your replies here that you have been knocked down by covid. Glad to see you back on your feet. 😊
Thank you Hans Jørgen! It has been a while mostly because I have focused on the MG3 software stuff itself, and wanted to wait with videos until I could include MG3 there too, as a natural part. And it would probably be an insult to anyone that really struggeled with Covid to say I was knocked down by it. ”Slowed down”, perhaps feels more correct! But thank you, nevertheless! 😀🙏🙏🙏
That's good. 😊 It's annoying anyway. We're right now struck by some respiratory bug that I probably got up North, visiting family. It's not covid or the flu, as we're vaccinated against both. Still it's coughing and fever and a bit impractical. 😉 So MG3 seems to be right around the corner now? That's great. Remember how I was joking about by the time I have the chance to spend time in my studio again MG3 would probably be launched. Seems like it was pretty spot on. Our little Murphy (of eight months and 16 kilos now) is improving vastly, but he still haven't attained the level of impulse control I'd consider safe for having him with me among cables and expensive musical and studio equipment. But we'll get there. 😊
@hjvarfjell MG3 has been right around the corner for some time now, and then we find something to fix 🙃 I am glad to hear of little Murphy finding his place in your lives. I am sure he’ll be a great companion in your studio eventually! 👍
First, thank you so much for your in depth discussions of this topic! My challenge with MIDI Guitar 2 was the amount of work that had to be done to the midi after recording a performance. Even playing super clean, I constantly had very tiny ghost notes overlapping the main note. Either at the start or end of another note. Raising the gate would not help, as it would choke all notes, or lowering went back to the bad behavior. It was just a mess to clean up. I always figured I should make some Logic scripts to automate the process, but I didn’t. Does version 3 improve these issues?
Yes! From all the people we have been starting to hear back from as the testing has started, I’d say that it is the improved tracking that makes the biggest waves. I shouldn’t be to long before you get to try it too, though.
Hi for Robert Fripp and Adrian Belew they were working directly with Roland compagny to ajust many things for theirs Guit Synth. I saw an interview with Belew where he is speaking about that. (sorry for my bad english , i'm french)
Hey! I see no problem with your English.👍 Yes, both Fripp and Belew has done a lot for MIDI Guitar and I guess working really close with the developers help a lot. But the Roland gear has unfortunately become somewhat outdated, in my view. I really would like to see them tackle MPE and perhaps update their MIDI overall, because they really had some nice products at some point! 😀👍
@@lofileif Me too. I would like a new GI-20 interface. With midi and midi usb. With a choice of guitar, Roland or Godin or others. Roland have alot of good new machines too. Roland Boutique...SH-4D but no entry for GK. Why? Why always GR with weird sounds or PCM sounds. May be it's time to go with something else than Roland. Midi to Guitar 3 sounds good for me. Time will tell. Bye and Thanks
I still don’t have a studio to be able to sit around and nerd with this stuff all day. I occasionally see new midi guitars hit the market and get a little excited that there are people still trying to make them, but they all come up short. Usually they market them as learning tools for beginners, so they are built like toys and when shown to experienced guitar players they appear to be worthless junk, especially to those who are not familiar with midi guitars and expect them to more resemble a guitar. So I discovered Jam Origin and I have been very enthusiastic to use it with the instrument of my choosing. I’d been in search of a certain aesthetic, or something minimalist with the potential to redesign into a piece that doesn’t simply look like a traditional stratocaster. The software solution has allowed me to use my own custom fiddles, often featuring fine woodworking and occasionally with deer antlers to catch the eye. Imagine the shock when someone realizes I’m playing synthesizers with an instrument made of deer antlers. The other thing worth mentioning is that I often build them with only two or three strings. I feel that this leaves less potential for unintentional notes. I also use viola strings, which don’t sustain as well as steel guitar strings but they also don’t produce harmonics quite as willingly, again reducing unwanted triggering of notes. I hope to be able to experiment far more in the future and even use it in a live setting. I’m not sure what the new version will offer to me that I don’t already get from Midi Guitar 2, but any improvements are certainly welcome.
That sound really creative. Love to see it in action. Well, if you are using polyphonic bends at all - bare minimum being: two notes moving/bending in separate directions from one another - you will benefit greatly from the MPE functionality. Otherwise it is faster, more accurate and if you already own MG2 it is free, so there is really no reason for you not to use it. Unless, of course, you feel it is a step in the wrong direction for any reason. MIDI Violin is also being developed as we speak, and it might be an even better alternative for you. But it is not coming with the MG3 release, I believe. 👍
I used to have that yellow box seen above in the video (Boss WP-20G) and put an Adrenalinn effects unit after it, which has effect parameters set by its envelope follower or input volume, that allowed me to create dynamic comb filters to create interesting synth like sounds, similar to how physical modelling synths use dynamic comb filters. I had a very expressive horn sound using the two boxes. Horns have a chaotic attack sound due to the bore i guess, which was easier to create with the Adrenalinn by random picking dynamics.
Thanks for making these videos (just subbed) LOVE your playing and it’s so great that you’re keeping this thing alive! I’ve had a bunch of pitch to midi system’s starting with the Roland GR33, than the AXON AX100 Mkii , GR55, Tripleplay and MG2 ( iOS) Also have an Artiphone and You Rock controllers. They’re all different and have strengths…and many many weaknesses. For me the deal breaker for tripleplay is sustain. Specifically it lets go of a note before I’ve finished playing it. I can still hear the string ringing but the synth has stopped updating ( it’s still sounding, but out of tune because I was adding vibrato while sustaining) MG2 is better in this regard but I’m unable to add vibrato to anything other than single notes?Hopefully MPE will help with this? Do you know if MG3 will be released for iOS cause that’s where all my MPE synths live.
Hi, and thanks for those kind words. 🙏🙏🙏 I really appreciate your feedback on your FTP experience. The sustain part of the conversion is an important factor for me as well, and I don't feel a good setup should shorten the already limited time guitars actually ring out. So I agree with you there. Depending on what I setting I used I could actually get MG2 to "latch on" for almost 30 seconds. They only way to judge that is of course to add breath control for expression to accentuate or emphasize the note pitch connection. It is obviously not changing the time the note rings from the guitar, but I feeds the synth the aftertouch it needs not to disconnect prematurely. This was a special case, where I was trying to maximize it, and I believe I used a Parker guitar for this, but standardly I would say that ten seconds was not an impossible ask. MPE will help you with vibrating all pitches simultaneously independantly of each other, and hopefully for as long as the guitar actually rings, but there are a LOT of factors to the tracking, so I would not expect thirty seconds unassisted. No sustain pedal or sustaining pickup or something else. MG3 is absolutely intended for iOS as well. It will come first, I think, for desktop only (at least for the beta version), but it is announced to come for iPad as well (although still as a separate purchase, I think). 👍
@@lofileif Hey (Leif?) thanks for the reply! You really are like the mad scientist of midi guitar and it’s really inspiring but just as important is what your playing and your approach to the instrument itself. Are you playing with others and are there any uploads of other projects? Watching more of your videos I’ve realized that multichannel audio is an important part of your chain. Now I’m wondering how much this played a role in some other videos that I had seen where I couldn’t believe the tracking you were getting. I discovered this along time ago myself using the axon into mainstage and setting separate channels into omnasphere it was huge! Will MG2 do this out of the box, and if so, how are separate audio signals coming out of a magnetic pick up? What about getting audio out of Tripleplay, or didn’t RMC sell a break out box to seperate audio years ago?
It is Thorleif actually, but since it isn't a real name really, I go with whatever works for you! 😊 I don't consider multichannel an important part of my setup actually (strangely?) since I normally just use my guitar Audio out straight into the audio interface nowadays. For the last few videos I have put up I am playing ONLY MIDI Guitar 3. It has three channels (chains) nowadays, so it works a little like a small DAW or mixer. There is the multichannel aspect, but since it is selfcontained, it doesn't feel like anything I setup really. I have patches with different synth/audio combinations. No hex pickup is used most of the time, even though we are preparing this software to also be compatible with a 6ch input to be able to assign instruments to strings and stuff like that. But that is something for later, I believe. I did a few videos with Hex pickups via GP10 a while ago, if you are interested in that aspect: th-cam.com/video/pYsS1uzQNak/w-d-xo.html A breakout box straight into the audio interface is probably the best way togo about things I think, to avoid crappy conversion issues.
@@lofileif just to clarify, are you implying that polyphonic bending will be possible with MG3 (double stops,whammy chords etc.) with the mag p/u ?-what jam origin are doing is already verging on voodoo magic… if so, it’s very exciting! But how??
Implying? I am being as explicit as I can without getting into trouble with TH-cam: MIDI Guitar 3 already does all those things with the standard mag PU. 😀th-cam.com/video/kC1LFhFCZXE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-qqUieCH4D7lRi9l
Thank you for responding. I have not tried this software yet. Do you find that it works well for polyphony and block chords? I have always used the controllers that were installed on the guitar, starting with the shadow GTM6 back in the 80s. And they are always glitchy.
Hey! I believe most, if not all, of us have relatively the same experience: controllers that are somewhat unresponsive, undynamic, glitchy and lacking that controller to instrument connection just enough to make you go ”Hey, I’ll pass on this one and wait for what comes down the line”. The MG2 softtware worked reasonably well with a limited polyphony if you avoided the minor second interval. Not well, according to a number of users! MG3 however, works so much better. It is not a hundred percent yet, but it allows for polyphony and block chords without any limitations on what can be tracked/played. This software is brand new and not out yet, so you haven’t had the opportunity to try it yet. But you should when it is being released. I believe you’ll find it to be a serious contender!
Thanks Bobby! It is a TEComtrol BBC2 MIDI Guitar 2 and the TEControl BBC2 Breath controller - explaining that mouth thing th-cam.com/video/fnj5Q_kjpdM/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Rama! 🙏 Sure, but most of the time I am just improvising over a "HELD"note or chord sequence like with the Diva/SWAM example here. The only thing that is not a single on-the-spot recording in here is the Valves + Flugelhorn clip. There I recorded the improvised background first, and then just played along to the video ifor another recording. No DAW or MIDI note editing. I very rarely go in and fix or change things in post editing.
Hey, LoFILeif! I had a question for you -- for U-HE Diva, and the MPE effects on Midi Guitar 3, does it track polyphonic bending well? For example, blues bends? I play funk, and having the ability to do synthfunk style leads on the guitar would be a dream for me. I am thinking of making the purchase for the license now, but I am curious how improved it will be in 3 (I find 2 decent, but it still has concerning qualities, like triggering ghost notes, at least for me). I want to add, I saw this forum post yesterday and thought the posters would be interested in how powerful audio to midi translation has become. DDSP is incredible, but the sound selection is weak. I wish I could pull my VSTs into DDSP.
Hi there, mr Potato? 🤔 U-he Diva is a great synth, but is not the best case for a snappy MPE synth (since there are so many steps to implement CC74). It is however one of the best sounding and playing synths I have for ARPS and Pads, and it works super with MG3. I have yet to be disappointed with how MG3 performs when it comes to trying out synths. I have a lot of full MPE synths like Equator, Cypher and the new Expressive Noisy 2. I also have some wanna be MPE synths like Baby Audios ATOMS and of course all the Arturia stuff, and generally it is the synths capabilities that will let you down. Bad implementations that perhaps is well suited for a particular controller (The Seaboard OR Osmose OR something else) And when it comes o funk and stuff like flamenco, that is heavily dependent on the time keeping aspect for the guitar as well, it certainly creates a problem. It is only a very select number of synths that I have tries that have sounds that would work ok. MG3 is WAY better than MG2 at handling also the snappy stuff. Polyphonic bends is not an issue at all because of the MPE implementation giving every note its own MIDI channel with its own bend and modulation info attached. But the best way to know for your self is to try the demo once it becomes available for your platform. 👍
@@lofileif Hey, thanks so much for the thoughtful response! I really appreciate it. I use Diva a lot, and I couldn't agree more. It has an incredible sound. I'll try out some of the other instruments you mentioned that are full MPE. I'm hoping to see a demo release soon for MG3 once it gets out of beta. I like that Jam Origin has kept support for a decade now, and I only see the tech getting better. Strong updates like that make buying the license feel safe, which I appreciate. I am also kind of noticing that this desire (midi guitar) is still so niche. But it creates a community of very passionate musicians/developers who want to see this solved -- even if it is in a "sorry state." Eventually, this will be taken for granted once the tech improves. Have a good one! Cheers from Texas.
What is your opinion on ROR Guitars Expressiv MIDI Pro 2? There isn't a lot of recent content online. I'm wondering how it compares in real life situations to pickup based systems.
I would love to try them, but I haven’t yet. They seem to hold a lot of promise, but as you point out, there is very little in the way of reviews and new videos to go by. So it is really hard to create any informed opinion unfortunately. So that leaves me wondering how it compares as well. 🧐
Does it correct the tracking problem by using midi guitar together with for example, so that it corrects the tracking problem because of the Superior technology and midi guitar? So better question can I get a GMA 800 and benefit from it by being able to use Jupiter8 with midi Guitar? Does it correct the problems you are talking about by sending midi information to the Roland units?
First off, this video was from last year and a LOT has happened since. MIDI Guitar 2 is now MIDI Guitar 3 (out on beta testing) . The new software support MPE which opens up a lot of new doors. And just in the last weeks, it has got HEX tracker support, meaning all of us that had a guitar with a hexaphonic pickup on it to begin with can make use of that for an even better pitch-to-midi tracking solution. This is an add-on, however, so you need to have the MG3 software first. Now, the MIDI Guitar software has never corrected anything. It is all about being the best representation of what you put in, rather than fixing anything. But when you have your MIDI, you are of course free to do whatever you like with it. But no fixing in the conversion process. Can you use the GM800 with the MIDI Guitar software? Yes, as I mentioned above,.You can, if you use MG3 and purchase the Hextracker add-on. 👍
I have MG2, love it, and have been patiently awaiting MG3. I've been so patiently waiting that I quit even thinking about it until I saw this TH-cam. I have one question since you are a beta tester, assuming you are even allowed to answer - has MG3 figured out how to allow different strings to be on different channels (without needing a hex PUP like a Fishman TP solution)?
Hi man! Merry Christmas and sorry to remind you about MG3🎅😬 MG3 is still based on audio wave analysis, being a pitch to midi software. And, you should not expect the first incarnation of this new software to have either per-string assignment or support hex pickup input. I am not ruling out the possibility of this for a future version, the hex PU support that is, but we are not there yet, I am afraid.
Hey there! Well, there really is no difference in setups necessarily. I mean, I use hybrid picking, which is somewhere in between, I could easely do away with the pick, and don’t change a thing with my setup. So the same thing as for everyone: a relatively bright solidbody guitar with good sustain straight into the audio interface is stlli my best advise! The thing you want to avoid is everthing that can corrupt the signal to noise ratio in sny way. Perhaps see my video on tracking and latency for that! 🤝👍
Couldn't agree more on all your points. I enjoy using Midi Guitar 2 in my live setup to add virtual instruments to a song. People are quite puzzled on how that is done. I have also been patiently waiting for MG3. I hope you are right on it coming to us very soon.
I am glad to hear we agree! Then it is not only me! How do you set up when using it live? Computer or iPad? Lots or little interaction with the computer during sets? Footcontroller?
I am able to run everything including lyrics/chords with a Surface Pro 7 and currently use a MOTU M4 interface. I use Cantabile as a VST host for guitar sims and can easily switch over to a synth VST with a footswitch. It all runs into the mixer and out to a Bose Compact L1. It has a very flat response so everything from MIDI bass to Flutes and Piano come through nicely.
I realise I am late to this video, but I still see some discussion so I wanted to add a couple of things. (1) The image at the very start of the video is hilarious! Thank you for that chuckle. (2) It was informative to see that many of the things I've thought to try myself have already been tried by others, such as using a sustaniac pickup (I've experimented with the Freqout pedal and software based sustainers as well but the results were not good, unsurprisingly perhaps). My question though is whether anyone has experimented with Line 6 Variax modeling guitars in combination with Midi Guitar 2 (or in other ways). It's an interesting instrument in that, aside from the ability to use alternate guitar tunings on the fly, select from a variety of (in-guitar) modeled instruments, you can do things such completely turning off individual strings. This might not sound like it would have much utility, but it seems to me that there might actually be many occasions when tracking guitar for midi that there could be usefulness in limiting the tracking just to certain strings. Thoughts?
Hi! Yeah, first image is what you get hen you ask AI to whip up something with MIDI Guitar. ☺️ On your query about Variax modeling guitars, I know that the JamOrigin used them in an early stage of the machine learning process together with a lot of other guitars. But it has since been omitted from the target test group. I uses hexPU, does it not? That is not (yet) integrated fully into the MG2/3 tracker setup, so it is something of a non-question at this time. But that might very well change. The question is how you intend to use it. MG3 (now out as beta for MacOS) just as MG2 before it need a decent signal, with low noise to signal ratio, and high brighness. You can't really mess around d with those parameters once you''ve set up. So it is not like you would be a bee to use all the different modeled guitars you have as input for MG2/3 and not have the MIDI tracking affected. I have not heard any reports of Variaxes being the superior input for MG2/3 either, with is something I a sure would have come up at this point. But I don't have one, and I cane wrong.
Thanks for replying. Everything you've stated makes sense. I don't have a Variax guitar either, but would be interested in experimenting with one outside of midi use cases at least. Alas, it would be difficult for me to justify the cost of one when there's other gear and software my money would probably be more wisely spent on. I don't know how I've overlooked this channel for so long. You seem to be a very well rounded musician (my compliments to your playing and composing) and your channel is sn informative and entertaining resource on these topics. Subbed. Cheers.
Absolutely EXCELLENT!!, I would speculate that the MIDI Guitar 2023 criticism may be based upon short term idealist quantifications where, solutions via alternate settings, plugins, and Synth / VST3's are not fully reviewed / tested. It does in fact appear to occur quite frequently to quickly determine that issues or errors have no solutions, or alternate approach methods or, to simply revise the act! Thank You LoFiLeif for presenting a comprehensive review with actual factual MIDI Guitar Sonic methods. Yes, it was more of MG3 but, MIDI Guitar 3 represents a solid evolutionary state based upon all past, and present releases!!
Thanks a bunch for this most positive review! 🙏 🙏 🙏 We are obviously thinking alike on many subjects, and I hope there will be room for both great software AND hardware solutions in the near future, as they can offer quite different ways of MIDI inputting due to their different strengths. Time will tell! ⏰
The big problem with guiatrists coming into the synth world is that you have to think like a synth player playing guitar not a guitar player playing a guitar that sounds like a synth! The other problem is that with the amount of pedals you have to press for sustains, pitch, modulations etc you very quickly run out of feet! 😂
@@nickjitsu I am not sure I agree with that anymore (after having worked with MG3). MPE, and the polyphonic bends in particular, enable guitar gestures to be played on almost any synth or virtual instrument. There is, of course, a limitation for those instruments that are supposed to be "copies" of real instruments in that they might be strictly monophonic or written to behave as vintage gear. But it is much more a case of us coming in and imposing our guitarist ways on instruments now, than with MIDI 1.0. And with regards to the amount of controllers: it is up to you how many parameters you want to actively be in command of. Pitch is in your hands, and sustain and modulation you can leave up to MG3 to handle if you are not a control freak like me that wants hands-on control at all times.
Haven't watched yet, but a cursory look at the contents/timestamps suggests that things aren't all that sad. The inclusion of MPE here sounds promising.
I gave up on this thing and I'm trying to go for MPE MIDI controllers, like the Linnstrument. (I haven't bought one yet for financial reasons, but it's on the list)
Well , I don’t know what ”this thing” you gave up on, but the Linnstrument is an awesome MPE controller. But so will MIDI Guitar3 be (in combination with your favorite guitar, that is). But to each his own, and as I mention in the video it is not a case of guitar vs keyboard (or any other controller), but rather a case of what the are best at/for respectively!
@@lofileif All jamstik is is a Hex pickup with an output ?....Look at the 1988 High end Strat Casio PG380 built in Synth with MIDI controller. Been playing them since they came out. Wish I knew more about programming MIDI to be able to use it deeper....
@@suspectdown5133Did I say that? Jamstik has its own proprietary algorithms and as I understood it the audio to midi conversion takes place in the guitar itself. But I could be totally wrong here? I have seen the PG380, and they look like a lot of fun, but how is it with third party stuff? Can you use its MIDI OUT? I can only assume that the onboard sounds are, if not dated, at least somewhat limited? 👍
@@lofileif the casio is a controller. And yes the onboard sounds are dated but can be used in many ways. They also take a card that you can make your own sounds on using their VZ 10M synth rack. I have the VZ 1 keyboard which takes the sound cards and makes custom sounds for the cards also. Have the VZ8 synth rack mount too. I can control all that and any other MIDI unit I want. I have old equipment. Controlling a Digitech GNX4 and two MIDI 8 channel Yamaha mixers etc...out to two 15" powered speakers.... Working on converting one to wireless.. They also have a stereo jack that when used with a stereo cord splits the synth and guitar.....yes much fun for 1988....
Of course! Check it out here: MIDI Guitar 2 and the TEControl BBC2 Breath controller - explaining that mouth thing th-cam.com/video/fnj5Q_kjpdM/w-d-xo.html
There is no difference price wise! It is not going to cost more when MG3 comes out, but if you purchase now you have some time to get use to the whole MIDI Guitar way of thinking. I won't be telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do however, it is up to you when you want to get stated, or even if (of course). 👍😀
I've been thinking about the new Boss MIDI system so watched this video- you keep talking about the benefits of MIDI guitar 2 & 3 without ever explaining what it is- am I missing something?!
Hi there! You have probably not missed anything per se. This was meant as a comment on the rather bleak outlook for MIDI Guitar painted by many of the thread posters. I have used a lot of Rolands stuff myself and I believe the general consensus around the Roland/Boss products' MIDI OUT is that it is not up to par. Also for the newer products that I haven't tested myself (SY-1000, GM-800 and others) In my personal experience I felt a much more direct connection with any sort of third party VST/AU instrument output when I moved over to MG2 back in 2017. So I am not talking about the Boss onboard modeled sounds here. They are pretty decent. I am talking about hooking this up to a DAW, and trying to play/perform with other developers software, using the BOSS/Roland units as mediators, or part of a MIDI Guitar controller setup. Used that way, their MIDI OUT is not up to par. And as I have worked with JamOrigin trying out their next generation of the software solution for MIDI Guitar, I have gotten to experience what it will mean to use your guitar as an MPE controller which gives us totally new possibilities of control and sound modulation in real time. And it it was just that perspective I wanted to share, showing the app in actual use instead of just talking g about it. Connection, Dynamics and over and above anything else MPE, is what I would point to, if you like to compare the technologies. If none of those things seem relevant, and you are more interested in using the BOSS onboard sounds, those machines are still great piece of gear. Robust and reliable, in my experience. 👍
Don't know I am afraid. Haven't tried it, but it is discussed in the original thread. The general consensus seem to be that it is good, but with all the shortcomings of it being a "closed" system. I have a link to the thread in the description! ✍️
@jordonbroderick4268 We have actually had one stab at it, so it is by no means ruled out, but I believe JamOrigin is going to focus on the basic part of the tracker first.
The tracking and the responsiveness of the GM-800 are actually pretty great ‚ if you like, check out my video series on this: th-cam.com/video/gx_mA5C-Lak/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mQkPQBEq3BwkLGrH
I've had a bunch since the mid 90s and my jamstik so far is the best one with MPE it has good tracking the only weak point is you cannot you altered tunings, your guitar has to be in standard tuning there.
@@lofileif yeah so as long as you're going synth only you're fine if you want to then double the output with the audio from the guitar then you would hit intonation issues.
@@lofileif well for weird instruments like guitars with no frets or more frets than normal the vst plugin approach to using software control is going to be better than trying to modify an expensive jamstik.
As a guy that loves synths…Oscillators, LFO’s and envelopes….midi guitar just looks more complicated than it needs to be. I completely understand midi cc info and using things for modulation but it’s not something I want to spend a great deal of time setting up as it seems in your videos. The Triple Play, for now is a much more straightforward solution for me. Just plug and play for the most part.
The nice thing about MG3 is that all of these things are available, but you really don't need to connect any of them, just to play. There is nothing straightforward about FishmanTriple Play in my view. As I remember it I had to switch presets just to play with or without pitch bend for instance. And there is no way to use the FTP output for an MPE instrument? For my taste, it has an archaic interface structure, even for straightforward use. But we are all different, so it is a good thing that there are different solutions. 👍
@@lofileif I completely understand where you’re coming from. I’m definitely not saying Triple Play is perfect…and no there’s no support for MPE. I’m very much looking and hoping that one day a great solution will happen. Don’t get me wrong, Midi Guitar 3 looks like a functional solution but everything about it also looks overly complex which is one of the reasons I’ve personally held off. Seems to track well and like you mentioned it’s got all the modulation and midi cc routing you’d probably want…it’s just hasn’t been presented in a way that makes it look quick or intuitive to use. I’m sure the deep routing and midi options are amazing but it also comes of as a bit complicated. At least in my opinion. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
@@lofileif One more quick thing. I own a modular synth (not trying to be pompous or snobby)and I completely understand the benefits of the midi CC routing, midi flexibility and modulation options but as a guitar player looking to use midi the most important aspect is the tracking and ease of use. Let’s keep in mind a good majority of guitar players can find it challenging to record into a DAW let alone use a midi controller. The more intuitively it’s presented to more likely it will be received as a good option. Before anyone yells at me I’m not saying all guitar players are this way. 😅
I hear what you are saying, and I guess I agree. But as times are changing I don’t see how anyone interested in the subject aren’t willing to learn if given the opportunity? I don’t like the idea of making a lot of videos with cool technical solutions and not explaining to people how to achieve those for themselves. 👍
I thought I would drop you comment to say that this was a pretty interesting video. I create Guitar Synth Pads and Soundscapes on my channel under the Digital Tributes playlist. I use the Boss GT 1000, SY-1000 and GM-800, Headrush and Fender Tone Master Pro. I'm tempted into dipping my toes into the Midi side of things. All my best wishes from the UK 😎😎😎😎🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
You seem to have a great setup for guitar synth pad soundscapes. Of course there are a lot of different things to be done with MIDI, but I also see how that setup could be enough too. 👍😀
I have had a play on a few audio to midi converters, no special hardware and I have found that you get much better tracking results if you concentrate on playing technically well, seems obvious but I mean picking every note, clearly , fretting with only fingertips etc. playing like a classically trained guitarist. Basically you can't make a silk purse from a pigs ear. !
I agree 💯! I’ve spent the last years developing a hybrid picking approach just to be able to be in control of what notes should be ringing and when. And there are a few parts of that techique where the fingertips both fret and dampen notes. I guess you’ve heard Allan Holdswoth’s response to people complaining about how spurious notes bothered them on the SynthAxe? ”Just don’t play them then”😀👍
@@lofileif I have to echo his sentiments although I don't claim to be as proficient ! I actually own one of the Yamaha midi "guitars" with buttons instead of frets, that make me think of the vox organ guitar I will probably never own! There is a certain way to play that thing too, some of which seems to apply to audio 2 midi as well. I have a TC helicon talkbox synth that does a great job of tracking or whatever it actually does. That is a way of getting a synth sound, but there is no midi output. I'm going to test it with the audio to midi software I have , to see if the "synth" sounds it creates track better than a guitar signal.
Interesting video! I might go and read the thread. I'm just writting the scripts for a comparison video between the Triple Play, MG2 and Jamstik. I've used all 3 live, but (spoilers) my go to is the Triple Play (and no, I don't work for Fishman). The TP is the best for live performance by far, but only because the MG2 is terrible at chords and it won't do the sostinuto (holding a chord while playing over the top). I did quiz the guys at Jam Origin about the sostenuto thing, but.......! There's a few other wee quirks and it doesn't play nicely with Mainstage either. It is the best at tracking however, so I use it to play synth solos and string lines in the studio. It's also the cheapest and most easily available. The Jamstik.....er........it's a great colour! I'm interested in the Midi guitar 3 though. I hope It solves the chords issue and they have taken the sostenuto thing seriously (It looks from your demo they might have). MPE is handy. I could do a lot with that. By the way. If anyone asks if it tracks fast enough (one of the questions I'm asked most) the point them to Roy Marchbank, then please never bother us with that question ever again! 😂
Hey there! Thanks for the feedback. You are not the first one to choose FTP over any the competition, and I guess it is for good reason. I am sure it is the best compromise available on the market today. I say compromise since all systems have their drawbacks, and none are perfect. It would be interesting to know why you didn't like the Jamstik. I have heard both good and bad stuff about it. About the sostenuto function, I have used the same setup with MG2 but in a DAW using 2 tracks with the same synths on them, controlling one with an expression pedal. It is possible inside MG3 because of the three chains now. I do think people in general are underestimating the importance of MPE however. The polyphonic bend is what makes a guitar a guitar, and to be able to convey or pass that trait along to any software instrument is a game changer in terms of control. But I guess that will be clear once they get to use it, and understand what it actually does better. And of course I am familiar with Roy's otherworldly picking game! 😀🎸
Interesting. MG2 doesn't play well within Cantabile VST host either. I have commented on that within their user forum, but I don't know if it's improved with the upcoming MG3. I can assistant in testing it out ... hint, hint.
Ok! I am just guessing, but I assume there will be a lot of issues like that to address once the beta testing starts. MG3 has a totally different structure now though, with patch switching possible by a up and a down CC value command too. And I am pretty sure that many of the things people use Gigperformer, MainStage, Camelot or Cantabile for will be able to do inside of MG3 itself. It has evolved to quite a performance rack actually.
Fiolavslutningen helt makalös- speciellt som jag tog hem en demo av Midi Guitar 2 och fick, hur jag än ändrade buffern i Logic, en helt oacceptabel fördröjning. Har Triple Play och den har en inte helt tillfredställande latency, men inte i närheten av M G 2. Obegripligt hur du får den att fungera så väl...
Tackar! Jag vet inte om det skulle vara omöjligt att spela samma sak med MIDI Guitar 2, men jag använder MG3 genomgående i den här vldeon. Jag har varit delaktig i utvärderingen av MIDI Guitar 3 under dess utveckling de senaste åren och det mesta som har med MPE att göra (violin patchen är till hälften Arturia Augmented Strings) är givetvis MG3. Så en del är väl bättre tracking i MG3, och en annan är väl det faktum att jag spelat så mycket med den här mjukvaran att jag vant mig vid den latency som fanns i MG2, och tänker inte ens på det längre.
To begin with, MG3 is (at the moment) a MPE software with the option of working as a (legacy) MIDI 1.0. This is a setting you can do for each instrument if you like , so you can have MPE and MIDI 1.0 insertments running side by side. And for any MIDI 1.0 instrument there is a choice as to which MIDI channel it is going to send, so you can have a preset with different synths sending to different MIDI channels. So if MG3 is ported to iOS (as it is today), these functions will most certainly be there. But, I give you NO promises, as I don't know for sure. I can only speak of what I know. 🤐👍
First and foremost, it is a standard electric guitar. It is only together with the JamOrigin MIDI Guitar software it makes sense to talk about it as a ”controller”. I am using a Carvin HH2x in this video, and I’ve used Parker Flys and a Steinberger Spirit in other ones.
@lofileif are the videos straight MG3 or are you separating the strings with GP-10? Your tracking speed is amazing as are the setups you posted. Thanks for sharing.
If you are talking about a sustainer pickup, the answer is (in theory) yes, but for the practical reasons i mentioned in the video it isn’t a viable solution. Making a MIDI note endless is the same as removing the expected incoming ”note off” message, but that has its own drawbacks.
Thanks a lot for this well rounded up reply to the gearspace thread that I have been following with a lot of interest. I especially second your view about adopting ones playing technique to the MIDI guitar in order to get pleasing results. As far as tracking is concerned, I really recommend the BOSS GM-800 which is greatly improved in this department. You can watch my video about it here: th-cam.com/video/gx_mA5C-Lak/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DfNSmIPJQTmVaZ1_ Anyway - thanks for your great and thorough work!
Hey there! I have of course seen your work, and I am always impressed with the clean output you get! When you are recommending the GM-800, commending the tracking, does it also translate over to third-party plugins via MIDI OUT, in your opinion? That is where I historically have had the most issues with the BOSS/Roland gear myself.
@@lofileif I personally switched from the GI 20 to the GM-800 and there is a huge improvement not only as far as the tracking is concerned but also in the responsiveness - the feeling that you get when hear the played MIDI note which feels directly connected to your fingers. If you adjust the parameters low velocity cut, dynamics & play feel you can really tune every scene to the intended feel you need for a particular sound - also for guitar to MIDI. I will do a demonstration of this with the use of Gig Performer in the 5th video of my current series. But I am also holding my breath for MIDIguitar3 which I am hoping to use with my ukulele.
Sounds awesome! I am probably going to have to take a closer look at the GM-800 now. Yeah, lets hope that MG3 can cover a lot of different kind of stringed instruments in the end! 😀👍
Not really. If everyone stops thinking of it as a guitar and playing it as a guitar, you won't be so disappointed. Look at it as access to other instruments and play it like those instruments are meant to be played.
I try every 5 years. Tedious. Ipad app works just fine. Tedious, midi adapter to camera adapter…. Please. NO gk anymore, no roland. Just a little bug you install and ot straightly gives out 3,5mm or 6,36 mm midi. And via bluetooth. No adapters involvve. Include a wireless breath control. That was awesome man.
Hey, is a big ask from a pitch to MIDI software to know what people mean to play an correct it. I believe that is not going to happen for this version of the software. 😀👍
@@lofileif Didn't mean "guitars specifically I 'm sorry I was mislead by the title ) like my Roland synth or my Fretlight with a GK 3 Roland pickup I was referring to the implementation of midi in effects pedals it seems it can take away from the enjoyment of music if you have to spend too much time programming I was wondering how much less expensive ( example) Strymon reverb or delay pedals would be without the "midi" feature as I am guessing only but most guitarist may not use that feature
In no way an uninteresting question. I haven't even used the MIDI capabilities on my Eventide pedals ever, and I am pretty interested in MIDI. 😄 I can only guess how It would feel for the regular "analog" pedal user to start messing with MIDI to switch presets or settings in a live setting. Now I haven't purchased much hardware in a while, so I don't have a great feel for any trends there, but when it comes to software it is pretty obvious that including buzzwords like MPE or AI drives interest (and I also presume price). So I am sure the hardware devs also try to cash in on "exciting new features"? Sad state of the music business perhaps?
I wish I had aquired those skills when my head could be set to learning mode as well! 🥲That feels like a giant undertaking, but it would surely be most rewarding too! 😀👍
My 13-pin nylon guitar is certainly better than MIDI Guitar 2, but not quite as fast, whereas MIDI Guitar 2 is either full of bum notes or won't sustain properly whatsoever. Both options are garbage and no one has yet to prove otherwise.
It is a bit strange to compare a 13-pin equipped guitar to a software like that. I have a few 13-pins GK guitars that I use with different setups, also with MG2. If you are interested in comparing setups you could include whatever you are using for your actual pitch-to-midi translation too.👍
@@lofileif Boss GP-10, but I don't think there is any difference between any of the modern boss converters. I don't know why you would find it odd to compare the two solutions, let alone on the basis of naming the 13-pin converter when BOSS is the only player.
@dylansmale I use my 13pin equipped guitars together with my GP-10 without using the Roland MIDI conversion. I use the GP-10 as a 6 channel audio interface via USB and open one instance of MIDI Guitar 2 per string, and that way I get polyphonic bends and end up with something like a patial MPE. So no, Boss is not the only way to go if you use a 13pin.
@dylansmale It is a bit of a workout to setup, but it gives you something else: MIDI Guitar 2, Hexaphonic pickups and BOSS GP-10, is this the best setup ever? th-cam.com/video/pYsS1uzQNak/w-d-xo.html
Without mixing politics into this, what parts of the stuff shown in the video did you find didn't work in practice? Everything is recorded in real-time and nothing is edited in post. I am pretty happy with how most instrument work nowadays, myself! 👍
@@lofileif nothing in the video that didn’t work, I think some of the stuff you play is incredible! However, you've invested a lot more time/effort and probably money too into MIDI guitar. For me personally, playing synth sounds from a guitar didn't seem to offer any benefit, at least with traditional synthesis. I think physical modelling works a lot better controlled by a stringed instrument, but I haven't tried that yet. It's something I'll come back to at some point.
Ok, I see. And as I said in the beginning, had I not fallen over this software a couple of years ago myself, I would probably be of the same opinion. And it isn't JUST the software in itself, as you correctly point out. I have spent a LOT of time working on improvements on my technique for this particular purpose. Not that much money though, after finding MG2. I suddenly got off that buying-the-latest-gear-train toward inevitable destitution, so I could spend my hard earned cash on software instruments instead. But sure, they aren't cheap either, so you are probably right. I agree on the physical modeling stuff, of course; and would just like to add that guitar as a MIDI controller has not worked until MPE. When we can get all the incremental movement from the strings to convey into the MIDI output, suddenly synths are starting to sound like the Obeheims, if you compare these to dead one oscillator competitors. It is even a fact that some instruments work better with the pitch unrest that is MPE guitar, than they do with any keyboard controller. Like the Valves in the video. It does not come through in this snippet of course, but it really is a significant difference in how even Kontakt instruments 🤯 behave. I can't wait for everyone to get to test this!
I am am using any sort of ordinary standard electric guitar together with the JamOrigin MIDI Guitar 2 (or 3) software. At this point I am not using any other dedicated MIDI Guitar controller. I am most happy with this solution. th-cam.com/video/WbtR2VBVp2E/w-d-xo.html
Many of us are waiting for MIDI Guitar 3 in form of VST3. Cant't wait!
Good things come to those who wait (I have been told) 😀👍
if you sit by the river long enough, you will see the MG#3 float by
Loving this, my friend! I fell in love with midi guitar controllers after seeing Alan Holdsworth wield the SynthAxe and Pat Metheny on the Roland back in the 80's. Things have come a long way since those early days. Thanks for such a great overview of where things are now. Hope you are doing well!
I am doing great! Just coming out of two weeks of mild Covid, trying to get back to my kickbox routines! 😀 Of course Allan and Pat, but I have come to apprechiate John McLaughlin’s contribution too as of late. 👍
I think part of the problem is that many people buy technology thinking they're buying creativity and not realising that this is only the start of the journey. You are obviously a creative person that works WITH the technology, not against it. Guitarists are notoriously critical of just about any technology unless it's an electric guitar and a valve amp..
I couldn’t agree more! I think you are a 💯 percent correct. 😀🤝👍
You're totally right... but I guess it also is kind of understandable? Drummers have embraced MIDI for the longest time because it maps so well to the instrument - hitting drums at different velocities is a pretty discrete problem whereas we barely entered the age of convenience with polyphonic guitar to MIDI. And still there is mismatch as far as usage is concerned, yeah, we got great virtual instrument like Shreddage, but mapping your emulated MIDI signal to sampler-style instruments still is fairly finicky. Even EWIs are much better off, then you got software not playing nicely (looking at you, FL Studio, where's my MPE support?).
That being said, they'll budge regardless. It's easy now, it allows for so much creativity, and, if you're not hardstuck on having dedicated instruments do the thing, is pretty darn accessible. There is still much room left for great digital innovation, but with how we're incredibly close to flexible vocal synthesis, got string instruments mostly figured out (I still have to explore the depths of G2M to be very frank, lots of setups I am planning out at the moment), and how everything else should be covered by great sample libs... we're living in a fantastic time for music making. The people were relics when their views were somehow semi popular or repeated by "educators" like Rick Beato; now that thirty years have passed, people are going to change their minds right quick or, let's face it, were barely ever worth listening to in the first place. My biggest issue at the moment is not having enough time and patience for all my toys, and I'm nowhere near as product obsessed as I would like to be.
Maybe. I'm a Guitarist and Multi-Instrumentalist for the last 48 years, and I still am unhappy with the state of tech integration with my chosen instruments. Just try and tell me that I haven't "paid my dues", or that I shouldn't have been rewarded for my infinite patience by massive improvements, oh let's see... 30 years ago!? 🤨
BTW - before I get lambasted for "not enough involvement", I've been chasing the tech side of this also with such dedication that I became an Electronics Industry employee and Electronics Tech just so I could solve these idiotic problems. I didn't get a chance to resolve them, only because the a**holes running the industry decided to eliminate ALL local jobs to effing "Asian Outsourcing" back in the '90's.
I live in the Seattle area, where Rane, Mackie Designs, Boeing, and Symetrix (my alma mater) existed at one time (before I get any guff about being too remote "from an industry hub").
@@billsybainbridge3362 Well I guess it's a journey. I too am on that quest for seamless technological integration but to me it seems that there have been massive improvements in technology over the last 30 years.
Spot on my friend. Right out of the gate you said it. Phrasing! When i first tried midi guitar 2, the freedom was there with tracking, and being able to express the music, and not inhibit phrasing etc. Midi guitar 3's innovation furthers all the possibilities that limited us with the hardware controllers . I have had at least 4 of those over the years. Thanks for a great video.
Thank you, Jim! 🙏🙏🙏
big WOW! Very fine explanation, great instrument emulations and at the end: fantastic job! Thank you very much!
Thank YOU 👈🙏🙏
Thank you for making this! I just found your channel. As a nylon fingerstyle player, I’m not necessarily looking to mimic other sounds, but to use MIDI information to direct individual strings to specific speakers in a multi channel mix. Also as a practice tool - I’d like to see everything align or not (right hand only). Hoping to have all kinds of adventures along the way.
Hy Tyler! I don't know if mimicking other sounds really ever was on the top of my list either, but it is an easy way to help display how far along we are with tracking and MIDI conversion (from audio). But on the other hand, I am no more interested in the actual guitar sound that I am any other, so this is also the best vehicle for me to explore sound manipulation. Not sure I understand "use MIDI information to direct individual strings to specific speakers" though? Are you thinking of having velocity, pitch, or any other MIDI parameter value "choose" speakers? Is it purely a matter of controlling the audio mix with MIDI information from your strings? Having individual strings sending out any messages calls for something like a heaxphonic pickup. Do you have one already, like the Godin perhaps?
@@LeeGee Yeah, but did it send 6 channels of AUDIO as well? If it doesn’t, what is the difference from Fishman Triple Play for instance?
I loved what you did with your guitar and breath controller in the intro
Thank man!🙏🙏🙏
I think your musicality is amazing; emulating such difficult instruments with a guitar is truly impressive and proves that the musician has to modify and adapt the way he plays.
My experience with synth guitar is quite different: after many years living in Paris, playing in a band, I moved to Normandy’s countryside and I decided to go for an autonomous way of composing and playing live.
VG-99 is still my main toolbox, with Graphtech Ghost equipped homemade guitars and Kontakt as my bands and orchestras.
I purchased Guitar Midi, but nobody would help me to make it work with Kontakt!! So I hope the next version will be usable for me!!
Compactness and simplifying my gear is my goal now.
Thank you for your videos!
Hi Christian! The VG-99 is still the only Roland unit I would consider using. I is the Roland flagship in my book. Had it not been for the issues I had with the MIDI OUT from that, I would probably not have moved on to the JamOrigin software. I think I have the breakingpoint represented here on my channel with two videos. One where I used the VG99 together with a kontakt sax, and where the next video was my first stab with the MG2. The difference in results were striking, but I have of course spent a lot of time since trying to learn the ins and outs of MG2 and every particular instrument I want to play as units. There are individual differences to take into consideration for each and every one. Kontakt instrument have been particularly hard since that container have evolved to almost exclusively cater towards keyboard players. But it is obviously playable, and I am sorry to hear you got no help with it. I believe that MG3 will be much easier to get started on, for everyone. But it is also immensely deeper. So if you had a license to your MG2 you’ll get a new chance with MG3 for free. And if you need help with that, just let me know! 😀👍
@@lofileifthank you for your informations.
I am really looking forward to MG3, I hope it will make my work easier.
You are welcome in Normandy whenever you’re around.
My setup is Fishman Triple Play with a dedicated LEHLE pedal that extends the dynamic range via Soundigy MIDI LAB , the possibilities are endless, muting open strings, creating as many zones as you like, basically anything you can dream up, however you do have to be handy with programing the MIDI LAB.
That sounds Interesting! How do you mean "pedal..extends the dynamic range"? Is MIDI LAB remapping the dynamic information from the FTP when passing it on to the synth sounds? And what pedal is it? The Dual Expression?
MIDI LAB has a "MIDI velocity Amplifiers module" I use 3 of them and depending on the pedal position I route the midi signal to the appropriate amplifier. So if the pedal is at heel down the signal goes to AMP1 that attenuates the midi signal by -13% (for very soft playing), Pedal from heel to mid point passes the signal as it is, Pedal from mid point to almost toe down will send the signal to AMP2 that amplifies the midi signal by +12%, toe all the way down sends the midi signal to AMP3 that amplifies the signal by +45% (this is like when you want to be really loud, it's very helpful because when I pluck the strings very hard a lot of tracking issues might get introduced so with this I can hit hard without introducing these issues) so you "ride the pedal" as you play, pedal to the metal for loud notes, and heal down for those super soft piano notes... or soft saxophone @@lofileif
Yes it's the The Dual Expression pedal, I have two of them, the reason I chose this pedal is because it's very accurate since it's using a Magnetic sensor technology.@@lofileif
@@electrofuzz7396 Nice. I'd be interested on checking some video examples of that in action. Do you by any chance have some examples that can be shared? Or would you be willing to record some? Thanks in advance pal
Wow… this sounds interesting, are there video clips of you playing this setup please??
I used Jam Origin to orchestrate my last acoustic piece. It worked great. Learning another instrument would complicate that process. Using my guitar made it so much easier to get the sounds I heard in my head.
I believe this is one of the premier arguments for using a MIDI Guitar in composing, orchestration or improvisation: that we already know and feel that kind of instrument. The first thing we can start focusing on is stuff like phrasing or actually conveying emotion, rather than stuff like ”how to best finger this note”, or bowing strategies or whatever. The premier argument for the JamOrigin software would be that it is the tool that work the best to achieve it all. 👍
There’s an effect from EHX, called Freeze which holds the note indefinitely, I think having a momentary pedal function that works similar to this could be very useful to get more sustain
Yes, sure! My pedal "Hold" use is surely inspired by effect like that. When I was young we use to make a sonic backdrop by just manipulating the Boss delay pedals if I remember correctly! But are you thinking of using it for the clean audio in (for a MG2/3 setup) or is it to freeze the processed MIDI synth sounds? I tried to manipulate the audio in once with a Gamechanger Audio Plus pedal. Kind of interesting, if you are into that sort of stuff: 😀 th-cam.com/video/8EgWVgprIec/w-d-xo.html
I've set up the Freeze effect block on my Quad Cortex to replicate a sustain pedal when sending audio through Send 1 which triggers MIDI Guitar 2 to my hardware synths
Yeah? Does it work?
It absolutely does as it's constantly sending audio to MIDI Guitar 2 when enabled. I have uploaded a video explaining my complex, but easy to use setup using 1 guitar, Quad Cortex, MIDI Guitar 2 running on an iPad Mini 2 and my hardware synths :) th-cam.com/video/-E15lazFM_w/w-d-xo.html
Waiting with very baited breath for Midi Guitar 3, I've used 2 for a few years and absolutely love it
Yeah! I hope you guys get to play with MG3 soon enough. It is really a giant leap forward to be able to use MPE. 😊👍
Midi Guitar 2 has been absolutely amazing already for me for years! I am super excited for the upcoming release- can’t wait 👏
I am glad to hear! 👍
The best midi guitar that wasn't an expensive SynthAxe was the Yamaha G10 which used the same principle. I still have two Yamaha G10's which is the poor man's SynthAxe, and a great tool since the late 80's, but MG2 has relegated them to their cases (although they still look cool). Hopefully MG3 is around the corner. Thanks for another great video LoFiLeif.
Oh, I vaguely remember having seen one for sale here in Sweden. But I didn't know enough about it at the time. There is one unit that Allan Holdswoth used, for sale on Reverb. I'd love to have one, but that is way too much of a gamble. As I said, I also do hope you guys too get to use MG3 soon, because there is a whole world of new stuff opening up for us there. 😀 🤞
Great job! Can’t wait to test my Gittler guitar through MIDI guitar 3!!!
Thanks man! Oh, you have a Gittler? Now I am jealous! 😀👍
Being member of the midi-guitar forum on yahoo groups for years (RIP), I am glad to have found your appraisal of where we are in 2023.
Really looking forward to JamOrigin new offering!
Thank you! Yes, I really hope that MIDI Guitar 3 helps MIDI guitar to the place it deserves to be, as far as MIDI Controllers in general go. It is such a great tool!
Very interesting video! Do you have a video with your total setup explained in detail.
Thanks! Sure do! Start here: ALL you need to know about MIDI Guitar 2 in 2022
th-cam.com/video/WbtR2VBVp2E/w-d-xo.html
And for some further details on setting up: All about MIDI Guitar 2 settings, tracking, and latency
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Great and informative video. 😊 It's been a while since your last video. I started to worry and contemplated shooting you a message and ask if you were OK. Learned from one of your replies here that you have been knocked down by covid. Glad to see you back on your feet. 😊
Thank you Hans Jørgen! It has been a while mostly because I have focused on the MG3 software stuff itself, and wanted to wait with videos until I could include MG3 there too, as a natural part. And it would probably be an insult to anyone that really struggeled with Covid to say I was knocked down by it. ”Slowed down”, perhaps feels more correct! But thank you, nevertheless! 😀🙏🙏🙏
That's good. 😊 It's annoying anyway. We're right now struck by some respiratory bug that I probably got up North, visiting family. It's not covid or the flu, as we're vaccinated against both. Still it's coughing and fever and a bit impractical. 😉 So MG3 seems to be right around the corner now? That's great. Remember how I was joking about by the time I have the chance to spend time in my studio again MG3 would probably be launched. Seems like it was pretty spot on. Our little Murphy (of eight months and 16 kilos now) is improving vastly, but he still haven't attained the level of impulse control I'd consider safe for having him with me among cables and expensive musical and studio equipment. But we'll get there. 😊
@hjvarfjell MG3 has been right around the corner for some time now, and then we find something to fix 🙃 I am glad to hear of little Murphy finding his place in your lives. I am sure he’ll be a great companion in your studio eventually! 👍
Good one. Insightful. Thanks L.
Thank you, Bernard 🙏🙏🙏
First, thank you so much for your in depth discussions of this topic! My challenge with MIDI Guitar 2 was the amount of work that had to be done to the midi after recording a performance. Even playing super clean, I constantly had very tiny ghost notes overlapping the main note. Either at the start or end of another note. Raising the gate would not help, as it would choke all notes, or lowering went back to the bad behavior. It was just a mess to clean up. I always figured I should make some Logic scripts to automate the process, but I didn’t. Does version 3 improve these issues?
Yes! From all the people we have been starting to hear back from as the testing has started, I’d say that it is the improved tracking that makes the biggest waves. I shouldn’t be to long before you get to try it too, though.
Hi for Robert Fripp and Adrian Belew they were working directly with Roland compagny to ajust many things for theirs Guit Synth. I saw an interview with Belew where he is speaking about that. (sorry for my bad english , i'm french)
Hey! I see no problem with your English.👍 Yes, both Fripp and Belew has done a lot for MIDI Guitar and I guess working really close with the developers help a lot. But the Roland gear has unfortunately become somewhat outdated, in my view. I really would like to see them tackle MPE and perhaps update their MIDI overall, because they really had some nice products at some point! 😀👍
@@lofileif Me too. I would like a new GI-20 interface. With midi and midi usb. With a choice of guitar, Roland or Godin or others. Roland have alot of good new machines too. Roland Boutique...SH-4D but no entry for GK. Why? Why always GR with weird sounds or PCM sounds. May be it's time to go with something else than Roland. Midi to Guitar 3 sounds good for me. Time will tell. Bye and Thanks
I still don’t have a studio to be able to sit around and nerd with this stuff all day. I occasionally see new midi guitars hit the market and get a little excited that there are people still trying to make them, but they all come up short. Usually they market them as learning tools for beginners, so they are built like toys and when shown to experienced guitar players they appear to be worthless junk, especially to those who are not familiar with midi guitars and expect them to more resemble a guitar. So I discovered Jam Origin and I have been very enthusiastic to use it with the instrument of my choosing. I’d been in search of a certain aesthetic, or something minimalist with the potential to redesign into a piece that doesn’t simply look like a traditional stratocaster. The software solution has allowed me to use my own custom fiddles, often featuring fine woodworking and occasionally with deer antlers to catch the eye. Imagine the shock when someone realizes I’m playing synthesizers with an instrument made of deer antlers. The other thing worth mentioning is that I often build them with only two or three strings. I feel that this leaves less potential for unintentional notes. I also use viola strings, which don’t sustain as well as steel guitar strings but they also don’t produce harmonics quite as willingly, again reducing unwanted triggering of notes.
I hope to be able to experiment far more in the future and even use it in a live setting. I’m not sure what the new version will offer to me that I don’t already get from Midi Guitar 2, but any improvements are certainly welcome.
That sound really creative. Love to see it in action. Well, if you are using polyphonic bends at all - bare minimum being: two notes moving/bending in separate directions from one another - you will benefit greatly from the MPE functionality. Otherwise it is faster, more accurate and if you already own MG2 it is free, so there is really no reason for you not to use it. Unless, of course, you feel it is a step in the wrong direction for any reason. MIDI Violin is also being developed as we speak, and it might be an even better alternative for you. But it is not coming with the MG3 release, I believe. 👍
I used to have that yellow box seen above in the video (Boss WP-20G) and put an Adrenalinn effects unit after it, which has effect parameters set by its envelope follower or input volume, that allowed me to create dynamic comb filters to create interesting synth like sounds, similar to how physical modelling synths use dynamic comb filters. I had a very expressive horn sound using the two boxes. Horns have a chaotic attack sound due to the bore i guess, which was easier to create with the Adrenalinn by random picking dynamics.
I had the AdrenaLinn III myself, if I remember correctly! 👍
It had the parameters I mentioned hidden, so you had to press a combination of keys to unlock its great potential for synthy sounds!!!@@lofileif
Thanks for making these videos (just subbed) LOVE your playing and it’s so great that you’re keeping this thing alive! I’ve had a bunch of pitch to midi system’s starting with the Roland GR33, than the AXON AX100 Mkii , GR55, Tripleplay and MG2 ( iOS) Also have an Artiphone and You Rock controllers. They’re all different and have strengths…and many many weaknesses. For me the deal breaker for tripleplay is sustain. Specifically it lets go of a note before I’ve finished playing it. I can still hear the string ringing but the synth has stopped updating ( it’s still sounding, but out of tune because I was adding vibrato while sustaining) MG2 is better in this regard but I’m unable to add vibrato to anything other than single notes?Hopefully MPE will help with this? Do you know if MG3 will be released for iOS cause that’s where all my MPE synths live.
Hi, and thanks for those kind words. 🙏🙏🙏 I really appreciate your feedback on your FTP experience. The sustain part of the conversion is an important factor for me as well, and I don't feel a good setup should shorten the already limited time guitars actually ring out. So I agree with you there. Depending on what I setting I used I could actually get MG2 to "latch on" for almost 30 seconds. They only way to judge that is of course to add breath control for expression to accentuate or emphasize the note pitch connection. It is obviously not changing the time the note rings from the guitar, but I feeds the synth the aftertouch it needs not to disconnect prematurely. This was a special case, where I was trying to maximize it, and I believe I used a Parker guitar for this, but standardly I would say that ten seconds was not an impossible ask. MPE will help you with vibrating all pitches simultaneously independantly of each other, and hopefully for as long as the guitar actually rings, but there are a LOT of factors to the tracking, so I would not expect thirty seconds unassisted. No sustain pedal or sustaining pickup or something else. MG3 is absolutely intended for iOS as well. It will come first, I think, for desktop only (at least for the beta version), but it is announced to come for iPad as well (although still as a separate purchase, I think). 👍
@@lofileif Hey (Leif?) thanks for the reply! You really are like the mad scientist of midi guitar and it’s really inspiring but just as important is what your playing and your approach to the instrument itself. Are you playing with others and are there any uploads of other projects? Watching more of your videos I’ve realized that multichannel audio is an important part of your chain. Now I’m wondering how much this played a role in some other videos that I had seen where I couldn’t believe the tracking you were getting. I discovered this along time ago myself using the axon into mainstage and setting separate channels into omnasphere it was huge! Will MG2 do this out of the box, and if so, how are separate audio signals coming out of a magnetic pick up? What about getting audio out of Tripleplay, or didn’t RMC sell a break out box to seperate audio years ago?
It is Thorleif actually, but since it isn't a real name really, I go with whatever works for you! 😊 I don't consider multichannel an important part of my setup actually (strangely?) since I normally just use my guitar Audio out straight into the audio interface nowadays. For the last few videos I have put up I am playing ONLY MIDI Guitar 3. It has three channels (chains) nowadays, so it works a little like a small DAW or mixer. There is the multichannel aspect, but since it is selfcontained, it doesn't feel like anything I setup really. I have patches with different synth/audio combinations. No hex pickup is used most of the time, even though we are preparing this software to also be compatible with a 6ch input to be able to assign instruments to strings and stuff like that. But that is something for later, I believe. I did a few videos with Hex pickups via GP10 a while ago, if you are interested in that aspect: th-cam.com/video/pYsS1uzQNak/w-d-xo.html
A breakout box straight into the audio interface is probably the best way togo about things I think, to avoid crappy conversion issues.
@@lofileif just to clarify, are you implying that polyphonic bending will be possible with MG3 (double stops,whammy chords etc.) with the mag p/u ?-what jam origin are doing is already verging on voodoo magic… if so, it’s very exciting! But how??
Implying? I am being as explicit as I can without getting into trouble with TH-cam: MIDI Guitar 3 already does all those things with the standard mag PU. 😀th-cam.com/video/kC1LFhFCZXE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-qqUieCH4D7lRi9l
Thank you for responding. I have not tried this software yet. Do you find that it works well for polyphony and block chords?
I have always used the controllers that were installed on the guitar, starting with the shadow GTM6 back in the 80s. And they are always glitchy.
Hey! I believe most, if not all, of us have relatively the same experience: controllers that are somewhat unresponsive, undynamic, glitchy and lacking that controller to instrument connection just enough to make you go ”Hey, I’ll pass on this one and wait for what comes down the line”. The MG2 softtware worked reasonably well with a limited polyphony if you avoided the minor second interval. Not well, according to a number of users! MG3 however, works so much better. It is not a hundred percent yet, but it allows for polyphony and block chords without any limitations on what can be tracked/played. This software is brand new and not out yet, so you haven’t had the opportunity to try it yet. But you should when it is being released. I believe you’ll find it to be a serious contender!
Yo man, loving the sounds you can get out of the breath controller. What is that bit of kit called??
Thanks Bobby! It is a TEComtrol BBC2 MIDI Guitar 2 and the TEControl BBC2 Breath controller - explaining that mouth thing
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Do you make your own backing tracks? Great video btw!
Thanks Rama! 🙏 Sure, but most of the time I am just improvising over a "HELD"note or chord sequence like with the Diva/SWAM example here. The only thing that is not a single on-the-spot recording in here is the Valves + Flugelhorn clip. There I recorded the improvised background first, and then just played along to the video ifor another recording. No DAW or MIDI note editing. I very rarely go in and fix or change things in post editing.
Hey, LoFILeif! I had a question for you -- for U-HE Diva, and the MPE effects on Midi Guitar 3, does it track polyphonic bending well? For example, blues bends? I play funk, and having the ability to do synthfunk style leads on the guitar would be a dream for me. I am thinking of making the purchase for the license now, but I am curious how improved it will be in 3 (I find 2 decent, but it still has concerning qualities, like triggering ghost notes, at least for me).
I want to add, I saw this forum post yesterday and thought the posters would be interested in how powerful audio to midi translation has become. DDSP is incredible, but the sound selection is weak. I wish I could pull my VSTs into DDSP.
Hi there, mr Potato? 🤔 U-he Diva is a great synth, but is not the best case for a snappy MPE synth (since there are so many steps to implement CC74). It is however one of the best sounding and playing synths I have for ARPS and Pads, and it works super with MG3. I have yet to be disappointed with how MG3 performs when it comes to trying out synths. I have a lot of full MPE synths like Equator, Cypher and the new Expressive Noisy 2. I also have some wanna be MPE synths like Baby Audios ATOMS and of course all the Arturia stuff, and generally it is the synths capabilities that will let you down. Bad implementations that perhaps is well suited for a particular controller (The Seaboard OR Osmose OR something else) And when it comes o funk and stuff like flamenco, that is heavily dependent on the time keeping aspect for the guitar as well, it certainly creates a problem. It is only a very select number of synths that I have tries that have sounds that would work ok. MG3 is WAY better than MG2 at handling also the snappy stuff. Polyphonic bends is not an issue at all because of the MPE implementation giving every note its own MIDI channel with its own bend and modulation info attached.
But the best way to know for your self is to try the demo once it becomes available for your platform. 👍
@@lofileif Hey, thanks so much for the thoughtful response! I really appreciate it. I use Diva a lot, and I couldn't agree more. It has an incredible sound. I'll try out some of the other instruments you mentioned that are full MPE.
I'm hoping to see a demo release soon for MG3 once it gets out of beta. I like that Jam Origin has kept support for a decade now, and I only see the tech getting better. Strong updates like that make buying the license feel safe, which I appreciate.
I am also kind of noticing that this desire (midi guitar) is still so niche. But it creates a community of very passionate musicians/developers who want to see this solved -- even if it is in a "sorry state." Eventually, this will be taken for granted once the tech improves.
Have a good one! Cheers from Texas.
What is your opinion on ROR Guitars Expressiv MIDI Pro 2? There isn't a lot of recent content online. I'm wondering how it compares in real life situations to pickup based systems.
I would love to try them, but I haven’t yet. They seem to hold a lot of promise, but as you point out, there is very little in the way of reviews and new videos to go by. So it is really hard to create any informed opinion unfortunately. So that leaves me wondering how it compares as well. 🧐
Does it correct the tracking problem by using midi guitar together with for example, so that it corrects the tracking problem because of the Superior technology and midi guitar? So better question can I get a GMA 800 and benefit from it by being able to use Jupiter8 with midi Guitar? Does it correct the problems you are talking about by sending midi information to the Roland units?
First off, this video was from last year and a LOT has happened since. MIDI Guitar 2 is now MIDI Guitar 3 (out on beta testing) . The new software support MPE which opens up a lot of new doors. And just in the last weeks, it has got HEX tracker support, meaning all of us that had a guitar with a hexaphonic pickup on it to begin with can make use of that for an even better pitch-to-midi tracking solution. This is an add-on, however, so you need to have the MG3 software first.
Now, the MIDI Guitar software has never corrected anything. It is all about being the best representation of what you put in, rather than fixing anything. But when you have your MIDI, you are of course free to do whatever you like with it. But no fixing in the conversion process.
Can you use the GM800 with the MIDI Guitar software? Yes, as I mentioned above,.You can, if you use MG3 and purchase the Hextracker add-on. 👍
I have MG2, love it, and have been patiently awaiting MG3. I've been so patiently waiting that I quit even thinking about it until I saw this TH-cam. I have one question since you are a beta tester, assuming you are even allowed to answer - has MG3 figured out how to allow different strings to be on different channels (without needing a hex PUP like a Fishman TP solution)?
Hi man! Merry Christmas and sorry to remind you about MG3🎅😬 MG3 is still based on audio wave analysis, being a pitch to midi software. And, you should not expect the first incarnation of this new software to have either per-string assignment or support hex pickup input. I am not ruling out the possibility of this for a future version, the hex PU support that is, but we are not there yet, I am afraid.
@lofileif Thanks for all your videos! In your opinion whats the best setup for optimal performance when it comes to fingerstyle?
Hey there! Well, there really is no difference in setups necessarily. I mean, I use hybrid picking, which is somewhere in between, I could easely do away with the pick, and don’t change a thing with my setup. So the same thing as for everyone: a relatively bright solidbody guitar with good sustain straight into the audio interface is stlli my best advise! The thing you want to avoid is everthing that can corrupt the signal to noise ratio in sny way. Perhaps see my video on tracking and latency for that! 🤝👍
Couldn't agree more on all your points. I enjoy using Midi Guitar 2 in my live setup to add virtual instruments to a song. People are quite puzzled on how that is done.
I have also been patiently waiting for MG3. I hope you are right on it coming to us very soon.
I am glad to hear we agree! Then it is not only me! How do you set up when using it live? Computer or iPad? Lots or little interaction with the computer during sets? Footcontroller?
I am able to run everything including lyrics/chords with a Surface Pro 7 and currently use a MOTU M4 interface. I use Cantabile as a VST host for guitar sims and can easily switch over to a synth VST with a footswitch. It all runs into the mixer and out to a Bose Compact L1. It has a very flat response so everything from MIDI bass to Flutes and Piano come through nicely.
@lorne678 Wow! Sounds really slick! 😀👍
VeryExcited about MG3 from Jam Origin
Yes, hopefully it isn’t too long until you guys can get it. 😀👍
I realise I am late to this video, but I still see some discussion so I wanted to add a couple of things.
(1) The image at the very start of the video is hilarious! Thank you for that chuckle.
(2) It was informative to see that many of the things I've thought to try myself have already been tried by others, such as using a sustaniac pickup (I've experimented with the Freqout pedal and software based sustainers as well but the results were not good, unsurprisingly perhaps). My question though is whether anyone has experimented with Line 6 Variax modeling guitars in combination with Midi Guitar 2 (or in other ways). It's an interesting instrument in that, aside from the ability to use alternate guitar tunings on the fly, select from a variety of (in-guitar) modeled instruments, you can do things such completely turning off individual strings. This might not sound like it would have much utility, but it seems to me that there might actually be many occasions when tracking guitar for midi that there could be usefulness in limiting the tracking just to certain strings. Thoughts?
Hi!
Yeah, first image is what you get hen you ask AI to whip up something with MIDI Guitar. ☺️ On your query about Variax modeling guitars, I know that the JamOrigin used them in an early stage of the machine learning process together with a lot of other guitars. But it has since been omitted from the target test group. I uses hexPU, does it not? That is not (yet) integrated fully into the MG2/3 tracker setup, so it is something of a non-question at this time. But that might very well change. The question is how you intend to use it. MG3 (now out as beta for MacOS) just as MG2 before it need a decent signal, with low noise to signal ratio, and high brighness. You can't really mess around d with those parameters once you''ve set up. So it is not like you would be a bee to use all the different modeled guitars you have as input for MG2/3 and not have the MIDI tracking affected. I have not heard any reports of Variaxes being the superior input for MG2/3 either, with is something I a sure would have come up at this point. But I don't have one, and I cane wrong.
Thanks for replying. Everything you've stated makes sense. I don't have a Variax guitar either, but would be interested in experimenting with one outside of midi use cases at least. Alas, it would be difficult for me to justify the cost of one when there's other gear and software my money would probably be more wisely spent on.
I don't know how I've overlooked this channel for so long. You seem to be a very well rounded musician (my compliments to your playing and composing) and your channel is sn informative and entertaining resource on these topics. Subbed. Cheers.
@@c.g.vonhagenstein7576 🙏🙏🙏
Absolutely EXCELLENT!!, I would speculate that the MIDI Guitar 2023 criticism may be based upon short term idealist quantifications where, solutions via alternate settings, plugins, and Synth / VST3's are not fully reviewed / tested. It does in fact appear to occur quite frequently to quickly determine that issues or errors have no solutions, or alternate approach methods or, to simply revise the act! Thank You LoFiLeif for presenting a comprehensive review with actual factual MIDI Guitar Sonic methods. Yes, it was more of MG3 but, MIDI Guitar 3 represents a solid evolutionary state based upon all past, and present releases!!
Thanks a bunch for this most positive review! 🙏 🙏 🙏 We are obviously thinking alike on many subjects, and I hope there will be room for both great software AND hardware solutions in the near future, as they can offer quite different ways of MIDI inputting due to their different strengths. Time will tell! ⏰
The big problem with guiatrists coming into the synth world is that you have to think like a synth player playing guitar not a guitar player playing a guitar that sounds like a synth!
The other problem is that with the amount of pedals you have to press for sustains, pitch, modulations etc you very quickly run out of feet! 😂
@@nickjitsu I am not sure I agree with that anymore (after having worked with MG3). MPE, and the polyphonic bends in particular, enable guitar gestures to be played on almost any synth or virtual instrument. There is, of course, a limitation for those instruments that are supposed to be "copies" of real instruments in that they might be strictly monophonic or written to behave as vintage gear. But it is much more a case of us coming in and imposing our guitarist ways on instruments now, than with MIDI 1.0. And with regards to the amount of controllers: it is up to you how many parameters you want to actively be in command of. Pitch is in your hands, and sustain and modulation you can leave up to MG3 to handle if you are not a control freak like me that wants hands-on control at all times.
Haven't watched yet, but a cursory look at the contents/timestamps suggests that things aren't all that sad. The inclusion of MPE here sounds promising.
Impressive! You seem very stylistically versatile, and your impressions of other instruments would totally fool me if I wasn't looking.
Thanks a million for those kind words 🙏🙏🙏😀
Nice video. Audio level in this video is too low the peeks are -26 dBFS should be in the order of -16 to -12 dBFS.
Ok, thanks! I’ll double check next time. 👍
I gave up on this thing and I'm trying to go for MPE MIDI controllers, like the Linnstrument. (I haven't bought one yet for financial reasons, but it's on the list)
Well , I don’t know what ”this thing” you gave up on, but the Linnstrument is an awesome MPE controller. But so will MIDI Guitar3 be (in combination with your favorite guitar, that is). But to each his own, and as I mention in the video it is not a case of guitar vs keyboard (or any other controller), but rather a case of what the are best at/for respectively!
Jamstik is the best I’ve tried. Excellent tracking, plus it’s a real guitar.
Awesome, I have been wanting to hear from satisfied users. Did you use any other system before this, or was this the first one?
@@lofileif All jamstik is is a Hex pickup with an output ?....Look at the 1988 High end Strat Casio PG380 built in Synth with MIDI controller. Been playing them since they came out.
Wish I knew more about programming MIDI to be able to use it deeper....
@@suspectdown5133Did I say that? Jamstik has its own proprietary algorithms and as I understood it the audio to midi conversion takes place in the guitar itself. But I could be totally wrong here?
I have seen the PG380, and they look like a lot of fun, but how is it with third party stuff? Can you use its MIDI OUT? I can only assume that the onboard sounds are, if not dated, at least somewhat limited? 👍
@@lofileif the casio is a controller. And yes the onboard sounds are dated but can be used in many ways. They also take a card that you can make your own sounds on using their VZ 10M synth rack. I have the VZ 1 keyboard which takes the sound cards and makes custom sounds for the cards also. Have the VZ8 synth rack mount too.
I can control all that and any other MIDI unit I want. I have old equipment. Controlling a Digitech GNX4 and two MIDI 8 channel Yamaha mixers etc...out to two 15" powered speakers....
Working on converting one to wireless..
They also have a stereo jack that when used with a stereo cord splits the synth and guitar.....yes much fun for 1988....
Hi - can you please tell me what breath controller that is please? It sounds absolutely fantastic (when you use it!)
Of course! Check it out here: MIDI Guitar 2 and the TEControl BBC2 Breath controller - explaining that mouth thing
th-cam.com/video/fnj5Q_kjpdM/w-d-xo.html
@@lofileif Thanks so much!
Should we buy midi guitar 2 to get mg3 as a free update, or just wait for mg3?
There is no difference price wise! It is not going to cost more when MG3 comes out, but if you purchase now you have some time to get use to the whole MIDI Guitar way of thinking. I won't be telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do however, it is up to you when you want to get stated, or even if (of course). 👍😀
I've been thinking about the new Boss MIDI system so watched this video- you keep talking about the benefits of MIDI guitar 2 & 3 without ever explaining what it is- am I missing something?!
Hi there! You have probably not missed anything per se. This was meant as a comment on the rather bleak outlook for MIDI Guitar painted by many of the thread posters. I have used a lot of Rolands stuff myself and I believe the general consensus around the Roland/Boss products' MIDI OUT is that it is not up to par. Also for the newer products that I haven't tested myself (SY-1000, GM-800 and others) In my personal experience I felt a much more direct connection with any sort of third party VST/AU instrument output when I moved over to MG2 back in 2017. So I am not talking about the Boss onboard modeled sounds here. They are pretty decent. I am talking about hooking this up to a DAW, and trying to play/perform with other developers software, using the BOSS/Roland units as mediators, or part of a MIDI Guitar controller setup. Used that way, their MIDI OUT is not up to par. And as I have worked with JamOrigin trying out their next generation of the software solution for MIDI Guitar, I have gotten to experience what it will mean to use your guitar as an MPE controller which gives us totally new possibilities of control and sound modulation in real time. And it it was just that perspective I wanted to share, showing the app in actual use instead of just talking g about it. Connection, Dynamics and over and above anything else MPE, is what I would point to, if you like to compare the technologies. If none of those things seem relevant, and you are more interested in using the BOSS onboard sounds, those machines are still great piece of gear. Robust and reliable, in my experience. 👍
@@lofileif thanks for your comprehensive answer!
What about the tracking of the new boss gm 800
Don't know I am afraid. Haven't tried it, but it is discussed in the original thread. The general consensus seem to be that it is good, but with all the shortcomings of it being a "closed" system. I have a link to the thread in the description! ✍️
@@lofileifOkay makes sense. Any update on whether jam origin is gonna utilize the gk pickup or that's no longer gonna happen?
@jordonbroderick4268 We have actually had one stab at it, so it is by no means ruled out, but I believe JamOrigin is going to focus on the basic part of the tracker first.
The tracking and the responsiveness of the GM-800 are actually pretty great ‚ if you like, check out my video series on this: th-cam.com/video/gx_mA5C-Lak/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mQkPQBEq3BwkLGrH
What model of breath controller are you using ?
Hi Man! You obviously found the video already, but for anyone else: it is the TEControl BBC2. th-cam.com/video/fnj5Q_kjpdM/w-d-xo.html
I've had a bunch since the mid 90s and my jamstik so far is the best one with MPE it has good tracking the only weak point is you cannot you altered tunings, your guitar has to be in standard tuning there.
Interesting! Is there no way to retune the MIDI output, even if you need the guitar itself to be in standard tuning?
@@lofileif well yes so say your synth is using an SCL file for microtones you can then remap the input.
So, where would you need the alternate tuning? For the acoustic audio out?
@@lofileif yeah so as long as you're going synth only you're fine if you want to then double the output with the audio from the guitar then you would hit intonation issues.
@@lofileif well for weird instruments like guitars with no frets or more frets than normal the vst plugin approach to using software control is going to be better than trying to modify an expensive jamstik.
As a guy that loves synths…Oscillators, LFO’s and envelopes….midi guitar just looks more complicated than it needs to be. I completely understand midi cc info and using things for modulation but it’s not something I want to spend a great deal of time setting up as it seems in your videos. The Triple Play, for now is a much more straightforward solution for me. Just plug and play for the most part.
The nice thing about MG3 is that all of these things are available, but you really don't need to connect any of them, just to play. There is nothing straightforward about FishmanTriple Play in my view. As I remember it I had to switch presets just to play with or without pitch bend for instance. And there is no way to use the FTP output for an MPE instrument? For my taste, it has an archaic interface structure, even for straightforward use. But we are all different, so it is a good thing that there are different solutions. 👍
@@lofileif I completely understand where you’re coming from. I’m definitely not saying Triple Play is perfect…and no there’s no support for MPE. I’m very much looking and hoping that one day a great solution will happen. Don’t get me wrong, Midi Guitar 3 looks like a functional solution but everything about it also looks overly complex which is one of the reasons I’ve personally held off. Seems to track well and like you mentioned it’s got all the modulation and midi cc routing you’d probably want…it’s just hasn’t been presented in a way that makes it look quick or intuitive to use. I’m sure the deep routing and midi options are amazing but it also comes of as a bit complicated. At least in my opinion. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
@@lofileif One more quick thing. I own a modular synth (not trying to be pompous or snobby)and I completely understand the benefits of the midi CC routing, midi flexibility and modulation options but as a guitar player looking to use midi the most important aspect is the tracking and ease of use. Let’s keep in mind a good majority of guitar players can find it challenging to record into a DAW let alone use a midi controller. The more intuitively it’s presented to more likely it will be received as a good option. Before anyone yells at me I’m not saying all guitar players are this way. 😅
I hear what you are saying, and I guess I agree. But as times are changing I don’t see how anyone interested in the subject aren’t willing to learn if given the opportunity? I don’t like the idea of making a lot of videos with cool technical solutions and not explaining to people how to achieve those for themselves. 👍
I thought I would drop you comment to say that this was a pretty interesting video. I create Guitar Synth Pads and Soundscapes on my channel under the Digital Tributes playlist. I use the Boss GT 1000, SY-1000 and GM-800, Headrush and Fender Tone Master Pro. I'm tempted into dipping my toes into the Midi side of things. All my best wishes from the UK 😎😎😎😎🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
You seem to have a great setup for guitar synth pad soundscapes. Of course there are a lot of different things to be done with MIDI, but I also see how that setup could be enough too. 👍😀
I have had a play on a few audio to midi converters, no special hardware and I have found that you get much better tracking results if you concentrate on playing technically well, seems obvious but I mean picking every note, clearly , fretting with only fingertips etc. playing like a classically trained guitarist. Basically you can't make a silk purse from a pigs ear. !
I agree 💯! I’ve spent the last years developing a hybrid picking approach just to be able to be in control of what notes should be ringing and when. And there are a few parts of that techique where the fingertips both fret and dampen notes. I guess you’ve heard Allan Holdswoth’s response to people complaining about how spurious notes bothered them on the SynthAxe? ”Just don’t play them then”😀👍
@@lofileif I have to echo his sentiments although I don't claim to be as proficient !
I actually own one of the Yamaha midi "guitars" with buttons instead of frets, that make me think of the vox organ guitar I will probably never own! There is a certain way to play that thing too, some of which seems to apply to audio 2 midi as well.
I have a TC helicon talkbox synth that does a great job of tracking or whatever it actually does. That is a way of getting a synth sound, but there is no midi output. I'm going to test it with the audio to midi software I have , to see if the "synth" sounds it creates track better than a guitar signal.
Interesting video! I might go and read the thread.
I'm just writting the scripts for a comparison video between the Triple Play, MG2 and Jamstik. I've used all 3 live, but (spoilers) my go to is the Triple Play (and no, I don't work for Fishman). The TP is the best for live performance by far, but only because the MG2 is terrible at chords and it won't do the sostinuto (holding a chord while playing over the top). I did quiz the guys at Jam Origin about the sostenuto thing, but.......! There's a few other wee quirks and it doesn't play nicely with Mainstage either.
It is the best at tracking however, so I use it to play synth solos and string lines in the studio. It's also the cheapest and most easily available.
The Jamstik.....er........it's a great colour!
I'm interested in the Midi guitar 3 though. I hope It solves the chords issue and they have taken the sostenuto thing seriously (It looks from your demo they might have). MPE is handy. I could do a lot with that.
By the way. If anyone asks if it tracks fast enough (one of the questions I'm asked most) the point them to Roy Marchbank, then please never bother us with that question ever again!
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Hey there! Thanks for the feedback. You are not the first one to choose FTP over any the competition, and I guess it is for good reason. I am sure it is the best compromise available on the market today. I say compromise since all systems have their drawbacks, and none are perfect. It would be interesting to know why you didn't like the Jamstik. I have heard both good and bad stuff about it.
About the sostenuto function, I have used the same setup with MG2 but in a DAW using 2 tracks with the same synths on them, controlling one with an expression pedal. It is possible inside MG3 because of the three chains now. I do think people in general are underestimating the importance of MPE however. The polyphonic bend is what makes a guitar a guitar, and to be able to convey or pass that trait along to any software instrument is a game changer in terms of control. But I guess that will be clear once they get to use it, and understand what it actually does better.
And of course I am familiar with Roy's otherworldly picking game! 😀🎸
Interesting. MG2 doesn't play well within Cantabile VST host either. I have commented on that within their user forum, but I don't know if it's improved with the upcoming MG3. I can assistant in testing it out ... hint, hint.
So how is it not playing well? Is it crashing?
@@lofileifThe MG2 presets are not being triggered properly in the host to the VST. Using Program Change is a workaround.
Ok! I am just guessing, but I assume there will be a lot of issues like that to address once the beta testing starts. MG3 has a totally different structure now though, with patch switching possible by a up and a down CC value command too. And I am pretty sure that many of the things people use Gigperformer, MainStage, Camelot or Cantabile for will be able to do inside of MG3 itself. It has evolved to quite a performance rack actually.
What is that Carvin?
It is an Allan Holdsworth signature HH2X. (A really great guitar.) 👍
Fiolavslutningen helt makalös- speciellt som jag tog hem en demo av Midi Guitar 2 och fick, hur jag än ändrade buffern i Logic, en helt oacceptabel fördröjning. Har Triple Play och den har en inte helt tillfredställande latency, men inte i närheten av M G 2. Obegripligt hur du får den att fungera så väl...
Tackar! Jag vet inte om det skulle vara omöjligt att spela samma sak med MIDI Guitar 2, men jag använder MG3 genomgående i den här vldeon. Jag har varit delaktig i utvärderingen av MIDI Guitar 3 under dess utveckling de senaste åren och det mesta som har med MPE att göra (violin patchen är till hälften Arturia Augmented Strings) är givetvis MG3. Så en del är väl bättre tracking i MG3, och en annan är väl det faktum att jag spelat så mycket med den här mjukvaran att jag vant mig vid den latency som fanns i MG2, och tänker inte ens på det längre.
If MIDI Guitar 3 adds the ability to change MIDI channels in the iOS app, my MIDI guitar world will be complete :)
To begin with, MG3 is (at the moment) a MPE software with the option of working as a (legacy) MIDI 1.0. This is a setting you can do for each instrument if you like , so you can have MPE and MIDI 1.0 insertments running side by side. And for any MIDI 1.0 instrument there is a choice as to which MIDI channel it is going to send, so you can have a preset with different synths sending to different MIDI channels. So if MG3 is ported to iOS (as it is today), these functions will most certainly be there. But, I give you NO promises, as I don't know for sure. I can only speak of what I know. 🤐👍
which guitar controller are you using?
First and foremost, it is a standard electric guitar. It is only together with the JamOrigin MIDI Guitar software it makes sense to talk about it as a ”controller”. I am using a Carvin HH2x in this video, and I’ve used Parker Flys and a Steinberger Spirit in other ones.
@lofileif are the videos straight MG3 or are you separating the strings with GP-10? Your tracking speed is amazing as are the setups you posted. Thanks for sharing.
@kennethbrewer Pure MG3! No Roland gear was hurt during the recording of these videos! 😀👍
Can't a sustainer make a note endless for midi?
If you are talking about a sustainer pickup, the answer is (in theory) yes, but for the practical reasons i mentioned in the video it isn’t a viable solution. Making a MIDI note endless is the same as removing the expected incoming ”note off” message, but that has its own drawbacks.
@@lofileif seems like there must be a solution...a way to loop the note but in a one continuous sound type way?
@neilsnow7973 MIDI Guitar 3 - A quest for infinite sustain
th-cam.com/video/SqQ4jvJZmEU/w-d-xo.html
Wish Jam Origin would make a pickup!
Ok, so what is it you assume JamOrigin would do different from other developers
Thanks a lot for this well rounded up reply to the gearspace thread that I have been following with a lot of interest. I especially second your view about adopting ones playing technique to the MIDI guitar in order to get pleasing results. As far as tracking is concerned, I really recommend the BOSS GM-800 which is greatly improved in this department. You can watch my video about it here: th-cam.com/video/gx_mA5C-Lak/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DfNSmIPJQTmVaZ1_
Anyway - thanks for your great and thorough work!
Hey there! I have of course seen your work, and I am always impressed with the clean output you get! When you are recommending the GM-800, commending the tracking, does it also translate over to third-party plugins via MIDI OUT, in your opinion? That is where I historically have had the most issues with the BOSS/Roland gear myself.
@@lofileif I personally switched from the GI 20 to the GM-800 and there is a huge improvement not only as far as the tracking is concerned but also in the responsiveness - the feeling that you get when hear the played MIDI note which feels directly connected to your fingers. If you adjust the parameters low velocity cut, dynamics & play feel you can really tune every scene to the intended feel you need for a particular sound - also for guitar to MIDI. I will do a demonstration of this with the use of Gig Performer in the 5th video of my current series.
But I am also holding my breath for MIDIguitar3 which I am hoping to use with my ukulele.
Sounds awesome! I am probably going to have to take a closer look at the GM-800 now. Yeah, lets hope that MG3 can cover a lot of different kind of stringed instruments in the end! 😀👍
@@lofileifIn fact I have been using MG2 with my ukulele for some years now and it works like a charm :-)!
Not really. If everyone stops thinking of it as a guitar and playing it as a guitar, you won't be so disappointed.
Look at it as access to other instruments and play it like those instruments are meant to be played.
Is this a response to something I have said in this video? I don’t get the ”not really” here? This all sounds like stuff I would generally agree with.
I try every 5 years. Tedious. Ipad app works just fine. Tedious, midi adapter to camera adapter…. Please. NO gk anymore, no roland. Just a little bug you install and ot straightly gives out 3,5mm or 6,36 mm midi. And via bluetooth. No adapters involvve. Include a wireless breath control. That was awesome man.
Tech is there. Train som frickin ai to identify garbage notes and what was meant to play and correct it.
Hey, is a big ask from a pitch to MIDI software to know what people mean to play an correct it. I believe that is not going to happen for this version of the software. 😀👍
This use is great but not every pedal needs to cost more for midi features that nobody uses
What do you mean here? I am not sure I follow. Pedal costs? MIDI Functions nobody use?
@@lofileif Didn't mean "guitars specifically I 'm sorry I was mislead by the title ) like my Roland synth or my Fretlight with a GK 3 Roland pickup I was referring to the implementation of midi in effects pedals it seems it can take away from the enjoyment of music if you have to spend too much time programming
I was wondering how much less expensive ( example) Strymon reverb or delay pedals would be without the "midi" feature as I am guessing only but most guitarist may not use that feature
In no way an uninteresting question. I haven't even used the MIDI capabilities on my Eventide pedals ever, and I am pretty interested in MIDI. 😄 I can only guess how It would feel for the regular "analog" pedal user to start messing with MIDI to switch presets or settings in a live setting. Now I haven't purchased much hardware in a while, so I don't have a great feel for any trends there, but when it comes to software it is pretty obvious that including buzzwords like MPE or AI drives interest (and I also presume price). So I am sure the hardware devs also try to cash in on "exciting new features"? Sad state of the music business perhaps?
Juce and pure data with python I think it's time for create your own mpe plugin super powerful
I wish I had aquired those skills when my head could be set to learning mode as well! 🥲That feels like a giant undertaking, but it would surely be most rewarding too! 😀👍
My 13-pin nylon guitar is certainly better than MIDI Guitar 2, but not quite as fast, whereas MIDI Guitar 2 is either full of bum notes or won't sustain properly whatsoever. Both options are garbage and no one has yet to prove otherwise.
It is a bit strange to compare a 13-pin equipped guitar to a software like that. I have a few 13-pins GK guitars that I use with different setups, also with MG2. If you are interested in comparing setups you could include whatever you are using for your actual pitch-to-midi translation too.👍
@@lofileif Boss GP-10, but I don't think there is any difference between any of the modern boss converters. I don't know why you would find it odd to compare the two solutions, let alone on the basis of naming the 13-pin converter when BOSS is the only player.
@dylansmale I use my 13pin equipped guitars together with my GP-10 without using the Roland MIDI conversion. I use the GP-10 as a 6 channel audio interface via USB and open one instance of MIDI Guitar 2 per string, and that way I get polyphonic bends and end up with something like a patial MPE. So no, Boss is not the only way to go if you use a 13pin.
Interesting! I will have to try that, although it sounds kind of cumbersome. @@lofileif
@dylansmale It is a bit of a workout to setup, but it gives you something else: MIDI Guitar 2, Hexaphonic pickups and BOSS GP-10, is this the best setup ever?
th-cam.com/video/pYsS1uzQNak/w-d-xo.html
To me, guitar synths/MIDI guitars are a bit like communism. Seems a good idea in theory, but never worked in practice. 😉
Without mixing politics into this, what parts of the stuff shown in the video did you find didn't work in practice? Everything is recorded in real-time and nothing is edited in post. I am pretty happy with how most instrument work nowadays, myself! 👍
@@lofileif nothing in the video that didn’t work, I think some of the stuff you play is incredible! However, you've invested a lot more time/effort and probably money too into MIDI guitar. For me personally, playing synth sounds from a guitar didn't seem to offer any benefit, at least with traditional synthesis. I think physical modelling works a lot better controlled by a stringed instrument, but I haven't tried that yet. It's something I'll come back to at some point.
Ok, I see. And as I said in the beginning, had I not fallen over this software a couple of years ago myself, I would probably be of the same opinion. And it isn't JUST the software in itself, as you correctly point out. I have spent a LOT of time working on improvements on my technique for this particular purpose. Not that much money though, after finding MG2. I suddenly got off that buying-the-latest-gear-train toward inevitable destitution, so I could spend my hard earned cash on software instruments instead. But sure, they aren't cheap either, so you are probably right. I agree on the physical modeling stuff, of course; and would just like to add that guitar as a MIDI controller has not worked until MPE. When we can get all the incremental movement from the strings to convey into the MIDI output, suddenly synths are starting to sound like the Obeheims, if you compare these to dead one oscillator competitors. It is even a fact that some instruments work better with the pitch unrest that is MPE guitar, than they do with any keyboard controller. Like the Valves in the video. It does not come through in this snippet of course, but it really is a significant difference in how even Kontakt instruments 🤯 behave. I can't wait for everyone to get to test this!
@@lofileifyep, interesting to see where the technology goes. I appreciate the work you've put into this, just subsribed too. 👍
It sure is! Thanks! Returned the favor, since I missed to when I visited your channel before! 👍 Really like your VCV stuff a lot!
What midi guitar controller are you using ?
I am am using any sort of ordinary standard electric guitar together with the JamOrigin MIDI Guitar 2 (or 3) software. At this point I am not using any other dedicated MIDI Guitar controller. I am most happy with this solution. th-cam.com/video/WbtR2VBVp2E/w-d-xo.html