For those asking and those that might want to ask: Each Wick sees 5 rats entering. Since the Snail already exists, each Wick places 5 +1/+1 counters on the snail and that happens 6 times (5 because of the tokens and 1 because of the original Wick), meaning you put 30 +1/+1 counters, resulting in a 31/31 Snail. Math was wrong by 1, but the idea is correct and great ❤
"since the snail already exists", what if you don't, or someone bolts it in response? Will it just turn one of the triggers from +1/+1 to snail mode? Or would they all fizzle?
@@alexvian6199 so basically, since these are all technicallly on the stack, and its an if-Then/otherwise ability, what would happen is each wick ability would make a check. If there is no sail, then make a snail. If there is a snail, you buff the snail. So if you dont have a snail or your opponent bolts the snail like in your example youd just end up with a 30/30 snail
Not only that, if you have the mana. You can do it five times again with (Orthion, Hero of Lava Brink) it’s another 9 mana but you won’t have to discard afterwards as he is a creature
Yes the other wicks die leaving you with only one, but you only need one to trigger the effect and deal the 32 damage to your opponents. Since they all enter at the same time they will trigger and see each other enter after that the legend rule kills them.
UNLESS, you use something like Helm of the Host to make a token copy of Wick that no longer has Legendary, and copy that, n which case, all the Wick tokens from Rite also don't have Legendary and stay in play. Plus, as you already have multiple Wicks in play, the impact is even bigger...
Need a degree to play mtg. I started playing my theif deck(Can't have stuff in Detroit) 1: because finding new combos is fun 2: because finding all the combos is so much easier when my opponents bring them to me Either play sub-optimally or hope i can't steal your stuff
My thoughts exactly, such an investment that can just be counter spelled or have the last Wick removed before sacking the snail unless you had even more mana for interaction.
Im pretty sure something is mixed up here. The first Wick is already established. So therefore the 6 counters wouldn’t work. It would be 5 to the power of 5. Therefore putting 25 counters on Wicks Snail. I’m assuming this is the case
@@NorthwestMagic yeah my mind completely jumbled because of the legendary rule. I’ve been trying to say this is how it works to my friend and he’s also confused haha
Are you sure they all see each other enter wouldn’t they all enter at the exact same time meaning only the first wick sees them all enter bc it has to be on the battlefield for it to see another rat enter meaning each of there enters active individually but not there other ability of watching another rat enter
Why do they keep making these busted?Freaking rat commanders ash coat already hadTim's. Now this thing comes with a pair of Jordan's flying in haste.For all your freaking rats, this is insane.
Your math doesn’t make sense as each copy isn’t doubling the 1/1 counters on your snail, just adding a +1/+1 counter on it, so if I’m not mistaken you would send up with a 6/6 snail
I am not sure if the math does add up, I'm too tired to figure it out But the idea is, wick enters, then another wick enters and since they both have when they enter the battlefield and when another rat enters the battlefield, they trigger. Meaning every wick triggers from coming in, then every wick triggers for you summoning wick
Each Wick sees “another rat enter.” Five Wicks each see themselves enter as well as the other five so that’s 5x5=25 plus the original Wick sees the rest enter as well so you add that
Each Wick sees 5 rats entering. Since the Snail already exists, each Wick places 5 +1/+1 counters on the snail and that happens 6 times (5 because of the tokens and 1 because of the original Wick), meaning you put 30 +1/+1 counters, resulting in a 31/31 Snail. Math was wrong by 1, but the idea is correct and great ❤
Very neat, though I'm more excited for Vren the Relentless, Dimir 3/4 Rat for 4 cmc that makes a bunch of Pack Rat tokens and exiles opponents creatures, and being 1 less color makes mana bases easier and decklists more concise. Though any Rat Commander having blue means you can use Reflections of Littjara for your Thrummingstoned Relentless/Colony vomit
We did it boys, we finally broke rite of replication!
And now it’s in standard !! Hurray? 😭
This is the equivalent of five Skaven Warlocks walking in on each other and each declaring they are the leader while a snail eats their warp stone.
Five what now
@@residentracist3210 Skaven are rat people in Warhammer
@@noadaenderninja oh those guys from vintage cube
@@residentracist3210 lol
They have officially mtg cards, I was just making a bad warhammer analogy
For those asking and those that might want to ask:
Each Wick sees 5 rats entering. Since the Snail already exists, each Wick places 5 +1/+1 counters on the snail and that happens 6 times (5 because of the tokens and 1 because of the original Wick), meaning you put 30 +1/+1 counters, resulting in a 31/31 Snail. Math was wrong by 1, but the idea is correct and great ❤
"since the snail already exists", what if you don't, or someone bolts it in response? Will it just turn one of the triggers from +1/+1 to snail mode? Or would they all fizzle?
@@alexvian6199 so basically, since these are all technicallly on the stack, and its an if-Then/otherwise ability, what would happen is each wick ability would make a check.
If there is no sail, then make a snail. If there is a snail, you buff the snail. So if you dont have a snail or your opponent bolts the snail like in your example youd just end up with a 30/30 snail
Man i was trying to figure put where the 1 extra came from for the past 5 mins
@@alexvian6199 another snail is created. Each checks at the momento of resolving. IF snail exists, put counter; IF snail doesn't exist, create snail
@@igobywitty same first time I watched it lol
Not only that, if you have the mana.
You can do it five times again with
(Orthion, Hero of Lava Brink) it’s another 9 mana but you won’t have to discard afterwards as he is a creature
The legend rule still applies. Yes they all enter but you always have to sacrifice them all and just have one left 😅
Yes the other wicks die leaving you with only one, but you only need one to trigger the effect and deal the 32 damage to your opponents. Since they all enter at the same time they will trigger and see each other enter after that the legend rule kills them.
UNLESS, you use something like Helm of the Host to make a token copy of Wick that no longer has Legendary, and copy that, n which case, all the Wick tokens from Rite also don't have Legendary and stay in play. Plus, as you already have multiple Wicks in play, the impact is even bigger...
I think this is also pretty funny with Auton Soldier
I like Rite of Replication in my Reaper King deck. It usually ends games.
Need a degree to play mtg. I started playing my theif deck(Can't have stuff in Detroit)
1: because finding new combos is fun
2: because finding all the combos is so much easier when my opponents bring them to me
Either play sub-optimally or hope i can't steal your stuff
For 12 fucking mana it beter win the fucking game. Jesus
The key is it wins the game against multiple opponents lol
@@SojuBroju winning against multiple opponents is literally the definition of winning the game, you can't win the game to just a single player 😂
My thoughts exactly, such an investment that can just be counter spelled or have the last Wick removed before sacking the snail unless you had even more mana for interaction.
Im pretty sure something is mixed up here. The first Wick is already established. So therefore the 6 counters wouldn’t work.
It would be 5 to the power of 5. Therefore putting 25 counters on Wicks Snail.
I’m assuming this is the case
The 5 all see each other so 25, and the original also sees all 5 enter so actually 30 triggers there.
@@NorthwestMagic yeah my mind completely jumbled because of the legendary rule. I’ve been trying to say this is how it works to my friend and he’s also confused haha
Is this legit? I want to make sure before I add it to my deck.
Are you sure they all see each other enter wouldn’t they all enter at the exact same time meaning only the first wick sees them all enter bc it has to be on the battlefield for it to see another rat enter meaning each of there enters active individually but not there other ability of watching another rat enter
They do all see each other enter!
Why do they keep making these busted?Freaking rat commanders ash coat already hadTim's. Now this thing comes with a pair of Jordan's flying in haste.For all your freaking rats, this is insane.
Oh. A grixis commander that delas direct damage. And it comboes with rite of replication? How original.
First time I'm hearing of it. I've been playing for the last two years!
@@SneakyPirate54 Be'lakor the dark master deals 160 damage to eacch opponent w/ RoR
Your math doesn’t make sense as each copy isn’t doubling the 1/1 counters on your snail, just adding a +1/+1 counter on it, so if I’m not mistaken you would send up with a 6/6 snail
I am not sure if the math does add up, I'm too tired to figure it out
But the idea is, wick enters, then another wick enters and since they both have when they enter the battlefield and when another rat enters the battlefield, they trigger.
Meaning every wick triggers from coming in, then every wick triggers for you summoning wick
Each Wick sees “another rat enter.” Five Wicks each see themselves enter as well as the other five so that’s 5x5=25 plus the original Wick sees the rest enter as well so you add that
Each Wick sees 5 rats entering. Since the Snail already exists, each Wick places 5 +1/+1 counters on the snail and that happens 6 times (5 because of the tokens and 1 because of the original Wick), meaning you put 30 +1/+1 counters, resulting in a 31/31 Snail. Math was wrong by 1, but the idea is correct and great ❤
Would you just copy it then the legend rule will kill it
They will die, but they will all get the “enter the battlefield” triggers first
Lmao
But isn't that a lot of mana?
Doesn't stop being a combo, tho'
@@123buitrero it doesn't stop me from being dead before I can pull it out of my 100 card deck either
Very neat, though I'm more excited for Vren the Relentless, Dimir 3/4 Rat for 4 cmc that makes a bunch of Pack Rat tokens and exiles opponents creatures, and being 1 less color makes mana bases easier and decklists more concise.
Though any Rat Commander having blue means you can use Reflections of Littjara for your Thrummingstoned Relentless/Colony vomit
@@M4DD3ST_R4TTEST YES thrumming stone!
and commander damage of 31/31 snail from wick to the dome will be how i get banned from my local edh circle
It wouldn't be commander damage because only combat damage counts towards that
@@alexvian6199 that is very true I forgot