What can (should) you make with GameMaker?
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Can you make an MMO / FPS / 3D Game / "Big" Project in GameMaker? What can you make? What should you make?
Spoilers: The answer is always "yes*".
Will add subtitles in 10+ days when I'm back home from being murdered by the sun.
Thanks!
Yoyogames confirmed GML changes are coming in Q4 2019, so sometime between october and december, probably near the end of december.
Murdered by the sun sounds good, it's apparently going to snow tomorrow where I live
I'm still waiting for the end of these 10 days ;)
the sun is a dealdy lazer
Great video!
On the topic of creating a "tool" with GM, my Retro Pal Swapper Palette Builder tool was built in GMS1.4. It was... a struggle, and I don't ever want to add any more features to it :D. It works, but my next tool I'll be building in WPF for sure. But it was a great learning experience.
And on the topic of scale: GM can handle the volume, it's up to you to keep your project organized and navigate-able. For example, the amazing Swords of Ditto, which was made in GMS1.4 has the following interesting stats:
1,900+ Scripts
14,000+ Sprites
600+ Objects
1,500+ Sounds
300,000+ Lines of Code
GM can handle it. But can you?
Can I?
*Cries*
Can I?
I feel like "GM can handle it, but can you?" is a really good marketing slogan that will probably never be used
All my heroes in one comment section! :P
what exactly is "WPF" :) ?
@@NinjarioPicmin "Windows Presentation Foundation" A platform for building desktop applications with C#. You could think of it like Unity, but for making applications instead of games.
Me: Could I make SNES Jurassic Park in GameMaker?
Ian Malcolm: You coders were so preoccupied with whether you could, you didn't stop to think if you should.
Hahaha best comment.
Very good comment
Game maker allows you to work on the core design of a game rather than worry about the technicalities of how to get it on screen.
I got to say, I really love the Gamemaker Community. Seeing familiar faces coming in and commenting on this topic is really special in my opinion.
Can I go on the moon? Yes*
Given the fact that the code that got apollo to the moon was written by hand, technically, yes you could!
I started with Game Maker back in 2014 and got fairly good at it. I like old 8 & 16-Bit style games, so that's what I do. However, then I moved to some retro systems like the Amiga and the Amstrad CPC and I was completely lost, becasue I realised just how much Game Maker does for you. I had to start writing my own animation routines, pixel masking, X-Flipping, tile drawing, and scrolling routines - most of which at the bit level.
Game Maker really holds your hand quite a lot, but it takes so much of the hassle out of development. That balance between creativity and technical drudge is very much in favour of the former, and I just love it! I've made shooters, action platform games, beat 'em ups, and a few other ideas, and Game Maker (although it still gives a few headaches) it's the best learning too I think I've ever used.
I wish it had been available in schools when I was a boy.
Thank you for these explanations. Really made my choice easier.
Simplicity is the key. Whenever I see posts from people who have made their own engines, or post overly complex code on forums to problems that can be solved simply, or see people looking for masses of complex coding solutions instead of pulling back and scaling back or simplifying... their concepts, general design and ideas are lacking. There's no gimmicks. No hooks. I've realized the community likes being massively technically proficient, and a lot don't have a creative side. This is probably why so many of them can tell you multiple overly complex solutions to simple problems, but don't make good or enjoyable games when you actually play them. Some of the best and best selling and most beloved games made on game maker are simple games. Downwell, Undertale. Etc ..Left brain Vs right brain.
Make a trading card game in game maker tutorial :)
I am pretty sure if you looked at the code of undertale for example you would see a lot of "unelegant solutions" but it doesn't matter because it does what it is supposed to and nobody sees is while playing anyways. I agree with you, creativity is after all what makes a good game. The tech itself is rather irrelevant.
Game Maker Studio 2 is a very powerful game engine but I think people just need to be realistic with their expectations, especially if they're a novice or are working alone to create games. My advice is to complete a good amount of tutorials that are built into the program, follow some TH-cam series to go a bit more in-depth, read the official documentation AND THEN decide what sort of game you want to build for your first project. Once you've finished a few tutorials you'll know a bit more about what you personally are capable of building and how difficult even simple games are to create. With the knowledge from doing tutorials, you can hopefully create a manageable project that isn't too large in scope that you can feel proud of once you've accomplished building it :). I wish everyone luck! Just keep it simple when starting out. I don't recommend an RPG/MMORPG as your first project, perhaps a simple platformer or retro-inspired arcade game but it's really up to you.
subscribed just because you pronounce asterisk properly. well done.
I've used it to make small little hacky programs before. They weren't very good, but they worked for what I needed. Lack of easy text input really makes it difficult for a lot of program ideas though.
So in short Game Maker is good if you want to make a game with an already known genre that doesn't involve 3D and game-as-service features.
I dunno about "already known genre" unless you think every kind of 2d game possible has already been made. By being good for mechanics I don't mean typical game design or genre tropes like implementing "lives", I mean *logic* like collisions, movement, interactivity, rules, etc.
There are other tools that fit that description better which are hyper-specialized around particular genres/tropes like RPG Maker. That are very good at their specialized type of game (as again, they remove a lot of the work).
GameMaker (versions 7 and newer) can make 3D games.
@@SaraSpaldingwhat about an action rpg?
Amazing to have at least a small chance to upgrade to 2.0! I've been using 1.4 for years now and I've been wanting to upgrade. Didn't know that PokeyPoke already had a Steam page setup. Great job Shaun!
I made a physics simulator in GMS for one of my classes in Physics and to my surprise it went perfectly fine and the GMS language with it's functions and variables was perfect for it and it was fairly easy implementing all the basics although I had alot of headaches over getting collisions to not break. (Demonstrating Momentum, Friction and Velocity)
I also made a Chess AI in GMS and that went less smoothy as in the fact i barely was able to make chess the game and the AI was garbage and took way to long to find a decision and there was a memory leak somewhere in my code (I never found it) that would occasionally cause an object to created forever causing massive FPS drops, the AI was completely hard coded with a decision tree meaning i needed to program a specific move for every possible decision, the GML language ran into limitation and it was not a jolly time for that project and I switched to C#. Unsurprisingly GMS was not made for anything outside of games although it can work well for other things.
Great video. Convinced me to start making a Star Citizen Dwarf Fortress Portal 2 MMO FPS fighting shmup game. See you again in 2080*.
Finally an explanation about "should I make my game using game maker" video
Shaun would love your in-depth take on GameMaker vs Godot someday.
Great video! The best explained gms should/can make i have seen so far.
I'm always wondering about pushing the limitations of programs. looking forward to see how GM continues with GM2 versions and further programing
I don't think there is a better tool for prototyping for 2d games than game maker.
Prototyping? Why not just make an entire game?
@Chipmunk Right, in that context it makes sense. But OP phrased it in a way that makes it sound like you _only_ use GM to prototype, then make the actual game in another engine..
@Chipmunk To me it sounded like that.
I think I am currently making a “big game”. I have gotten relatively far, but I am pretty new to game development, so I dunno how far I can get before things start to fall apart. Its an open world sailing, game with a randomly generated world, and I had features in mind such as going, on land, colonization, competing empires, turn based land and naval combat, events, and other things that may be to ambitious. Right now though, if gamemaker can’t do it, I probably can’t either with my current skill level so I dunno. I can always cut out the more ambitious features, but I am just kinda working on it as a hobby on my spare time.
British Simulator
Funny thing, right after this video a team of just two people made an MMO in Game Maker 2 in a 48-hour game jam and the networking in it worked perfect. Should you make a 3D mmo? Perhaps not, but a 2D MMO? Very viable. Keep in mind, even Call of Duty today is called "MMO". MMO does not mean 1000 players on a server. Even when I played WoW back in the day, on the official server the playercount was under 20. Still an MMO. And this game jam game did the same thing as WoW did with the server I played on. Completely doable! You may have to use your computer as a server though or rent a machine for hosting your game's server, should you pursue this. But it worked better than the free solutions which exist in Unity.... So Game Maker did a 2D MMO better than Unity in this case. :D Yes you can!
About 3D: Think Build Engine. It's a DooM-style engine from that era that actually struggles with 3D stuff like putting rooms above each other.
I love using GameMaker Studio. I become more familiar with the software and I can make my games relatively easy. But the problem is some of my friends don't know about it. And when they see me using it. They think that it is just inferior just because it can't make 3D games (They're Unity users btw).
And that's a pointless argument. Because I'm not that interested in 3D games (if I were. I'll use Unity in the first place). I love working on 2D games and I enjoy the process and that's what matters most to me 😊😊
I really want to give GMS2 a shot as it seems like it's a big improvement in workflow.
[Bookmark] 14:27 Multiplayer, networking.
I make 3d games in GM and have for years. you dont have a scene preview, but if you really know what youre doing with 3d models, you can always make level meshes and preview them in your third party modeling software.
im 17 and aspires to be a game programmer.....i endure making games on my low quality windows xp pc.... i appreciate you making tutorials.i watched a lot of your tutorials... thanka
Is xp still alive?
I was in same situation 3 years ago man! Keep at it and create something you're proud of!
Very interesting thoughts, thank you. Will sure help me with my next decisions, 10 years experience in GM vs lerning Unity for my next game :)
What is GameMaker? An engine that allows you to create programs in the same way that VisualStudio does, has its own language and a library of functions for it. Its library of functions is specific to 2D, thanks to the community we have already begun to see alternatives for 2d / 3d editors. Certainly, even if you could create triple A worlds in 3d, the magnitude of such a project where hundreds of people normally participate would be unfeasible for indie developers. So owning a small 3d engine to make a game of the time of Nintendo 64 see something appetizing and a project that we can finish. Excelent video!👌👌👌👌
13:00 An example for this would probably be "Imscared".
Basically you should start using GameMaker with a lowscope/scale and work your way up in scope to discover what limitations you may find.
I think Gamemaker is a great tool. However, I do wish YoYo would implement a way to do UI easier. I think Gamemaker is probably the best 2d engine, but it seems like making UI in other engines is much easier than it is in Gamemaker.
I agree completely. Like a GUI-layer that actually is visible in the room editor like all the other layers.
What's your take on people that try to discredit and look down on others for using Game Maker? I am in love with using the engine, but I hate it when people try to say that "if you don't build your engine from scratch, then you aren't a game developer".
Many don't have the knowledge, time, or will to do such a thing. It takes ages. Why do that when the necessary tools to create your dream games already exist(and in superior formats)?
I don't give that position any time because the great games built with the tool speak for themselves. Results can't really be argued with and don't need to be argued for.
My usual response to this is something along the lines of "Yes, but if you're asking this question . . ." with the rest left up to interpretation. (tee hee, 15:13)
Also, a while ago I stumbled across a forum thread thread asking if "tools like Game Maker" should be banned from Ludum Dare. God, I hope not. Imagine a game jam being about building the same render loop over and over again instead of game design.
Aye, the reason that comes up is because of how good these tools are in that field. Raises the question of what the competition is really about so I can see why it was discussed. Definitely don't think they should (or will), ofc
I’m trying to make a simple resident evil type game and I thought it’d be easier to make it in a 3D main engine, but I’ve been teaching myself GM2 for the past year and trying any of the other engines aren’t working for me cause I’ve gotten so used to GM2 and it’s systems
I decided to use gamemaker to run a 'physical' pinball machine. mostly because i am familiar with it and that gml is very similar to arduino. its probably not the best solution but it is working and has allowed me to do things that typical 'pinball' software would make extremely difficult. so yes there are downsides but like you mentioned, the fact im used to gamemaker does ballance out.
You can do and make anything people! Just look at how our hero, Sky King, showed us exactly that before his heroic parting with us. You did it, Sky King! You did the barrel roll! RIP Sky King.
Wow nice hope I win and good luck everyone
also Undertale is enough proof to know that if u work ur ass off ur game can be made by game maker to become an amazing one that people love and enjoy
Basically push yourself there are no walls
Can I make an MMO RPG with Gamemaker...
Advise.. Lower your scope... Blizzard etc have 1000s of employees..
Im Arbic man and i love your channel so much keep going
I've been thinking about making a small simulation/management game (with automated combat). 2D graphics (isometric), with most of the time being spent in-between menus looking at statistics. Would this be plausible in GM?
JW, can GameMaker make a top down adventure game like Zleda minish cap?
I’m curious about the differences in Game Maker Studio 2 and Original Game Maker 8.1. Is it possible for projects of the newer version to be continued on the older versions?
With the level editor subject. Some of the reasons I've wanted to make my own level editor was because I wanted to be able to test and edit simultaneously. Also because I wanted to make an editor to construct a metroidvania-esque map of rooms in the same place that I edit the room itself. I can already that but I have to do it all "by hand" (with numbers).
But I noticed (and assume I understand) your camera setup in Pokey Poke and decided I'd rather do that for the time being. Cause making tools is kinda fun but very, very, slow.
@rp Yes I've learned that in my travels of looking through the files and working out my own tools. However GML is my primary programming language because it the only one I've truly learned and practiced. But either way using a different language doesn't erase the time it takes to make my own tools to assist in my work.
It's (largely) a question of what would take more time. The tool and then making the levels using it, or just making your levels without the tool?
@@SaraSpalding Right. Short term, for the project I'm working on I'm gonna do it without the tool for now. But after releasing an early build of the game I'll work on the tool again as a more long term solution. With just the "map editing" portion at the very least.
I wanna make nasty, naughty games.
Whatever makes you happy, man. Lmao.
*Bruh moment*
Whatever tickles your pickle my dude
Thanks for this.
Can you present a game in a game jam made from before?
As a veteran developer who is looking for a tool to create 2D games, the third point is spot-on. Unity seemed too focused on 3D and I didn't like how they want you to setup 2D games (Shaun mentioned this), but while GMS 2.3 has introduced many useful OOP concepts so you can structure your game logic better, but creating a data driven game in GMS looks very very painful.
So a big scope 2D game something like a top down rpg with maybe 10GB size ( yes I know would be a lot to a 2d game) can cause what kind of issues and why ?
General optimisation would become a pain with a large project, texture pages would also become a pain in big projects
@@nathan08085 Even being only Windows targeted ? Or maybe Xbox One too.
I'm making a "3D"* game in GameMaker and it definitely is the better choice (for this particular use). It is a hallway maze game. Using a few animated sprites of wireframe hallways and switching the sprites based on the input you choose. Always loved those old wireframe hallway games so I figured I would make my own.
*3D as in 3D perspective not use of an actual 3D environment.
Another "3D" type of game I would recommend is classic isometric games. If I wanted a game to feel like the classic sega megadrive game "Sonic 3D blast" I would undoubtedly use game maker and not unity.
I would say a even a doom game would better be suited to unity though but Wolfenstein 3D maybe GameMaker?
If you want a prime example of the kind of 3d maze game I'm referring to look up the game 'Maze War'
I haven't seen any hollowknight or HD 2d type games made with Gamemaker. And their Marketplace seems small compared to Unity or even Construst.
He looks so similar to David firth, I almost
thought it was him for a second!
wonder if bit minding can be done with gamemaker. If so, I'll be hiring soon.
when there's an ad literally two seconds before the outro
Cool! And, I'm allready won the first giveaway, hope I can win this too =D
Currently trying to make an isometric shooter.
hey do you know how to open a game maker game to view the files i don't know how to do something and i am trying to find it in a game and then put it in mine.???
Game Maker is amazing for indie games, not really AAA titles. However, many small games are great. I just have a question about the sprites. Are You creating them in built-in editor or some external tool?
Ay I really need to upgrade to GMS2 so I can release my indie game, thanks man🙏
Your hair style indicates expertise in coding.
Should I make an 2D isometric city-builder in GameMaker?
Yes
I started using Game Maker Studio 2 last year because I want to make a Touhou fan game with it and now, I am adding things to my game that Touhou doesn’t have like actual aircrafts, and an “Overdrive”, which is the player’s special attack. The problem is, it’s just the trial version and I cannot release it once I’m done. And yes GMS2 is easy to use.
Can you make a sandbox game in Game Maker Studio? I want something like Terraria.
i am facing an issue on how to scale my gml stuff into more threads. its the only limiting factor for a rts with each ai in its own thread really without dll's and messing with the yyc.
yay!New Vid
Okay, but "should" i try to make a card game or ccg in it?
A 2d one? Sure.
@@SaraSpalding i haven't seen any tutorials or explanations on where to start from anyone. How do you think id go about doing it?
@@jonathanperigo6853 I dunno man, start trying things and work it out as you go. Make a piece of it at a time. Make some cards, draw them to the screen, learn to move them around, learn to shuffle them in a list. Just start with the basics. There will never be a tutorial for everything.
@@SaraSpalding that's fair. Was just curious if you had any advice on the matter. Thank you!
So as I said on the previous stream, we ignore me for some reason, this is the code you had in the Part #2 of the Platformer tutorial. My player is stretched when i move it/him/idk.
// Animation
if (!place_meeting(x,y+1,objCollision))
{
sprite_index = sprPlayerJump;
image_speed = 0;
if (sign(vsp) > 0) image_index = 1; else image_index = 0;
}
else
{
image_speed = 1;
if (hsp == 0)
{
sprite_index = sprPlayer;
}
else
{
sprite_index = sprPlayerRun;
}
}
if (hsp != 0) image_xscale = sign(hsp);
How difficult is it to make a platformer without programming in Game Maker?
I'm not a programmer, and i just don't have the mind for it.
It will be nearly impossible. To make a game there's much game logic that needs to be dealt with. Drag & drop would be less of a coding sort of thing. But you'd still be doing all the logic required to make the player move, deal with collisions such as not going through walls and floors, collecting coins and updating the score, etc. It's definitely worth a try.
"Not in the lifetime of the Sun" hahahaha
How good is Gamemaker at making eLearning games?
Can you make an turned based rpg series. I like your style of coding and I was planning to try to make an rpg game in the future.
Unless it's a terrible idea and I should use Godot to make it cuz it looks like that's what everybody used for turned based.
Yeah turn based games are 100% possible from what I know there’s a good few rpg games made in gamemaker. I’m not super familiar with Godoy but I’ve seen what it can do and I’m sure it’d also work for an rpg game as well.
i made a android app with gamemaker , its a soundboard full of memes sound effects and musics with the name of "voice chat troll" on the play store , you can download collections and play sounds in your pc using the phone app and a pc client ( networking ) , but tbh there is many limits when u create an app with gm , extensions helped me to pass those limits tho ..
I think a decent way to explain GM and how it feels to use and what it can do is this .... "did you ever make games in Flash (action script 3) ... because it's like that but more optimised and with an actual focus on making games and built in tools to assist you".
'not within the lifetime of the sun' xD
Nice video :D
Hey a question ,
Can I use ure textures for my game ?
I don't find any god gms2 textures .
I'm 12 :-)
People that think “Gamemaker is a basic tool for making simple games.” Obviously never played Wizard of legend. lol
Waiting on a trading card game in game maker tutorial
dont wait for someone else to do things for you. DO IT YOURSELF!
GameMaker can handle a Trading Card game. You need to came up with the algorithm for it and translate it to GMS.
So what is a big game? i want to 2D game in the scope of super Metroid, would that be problematic?
Yes, that is very very big. I'm not sure about Game Maker, but the very first thing you would have to research would be how to connect rooms seamlessly in a giant maze.
shaun do you live from gamedev?
Answer - A good game
I had to rewind like a minute cause i was looking on doge figure smh
Can you hammer a screw? Yes.
Should you?
A crossover to jarvis cocker and saggy
Here is a reference that I imagine no one that watches Shaun Spalding videos will get ... 25:04 we see that Shaun agrees with Dame Dash's life philosophy about what it means to call someone your boss lool.
Sorry if this kindof a dumb question but I’m new to game design & am trying to make a restaurant simulator where you make food... literally can’t find any tutorials for how to do that on TH-cam. Do you recommend any or do you take requests for tutorials?
Question you probably get asked a lot, are you related to lindybeige?
cool video, really hope I win the gms 2 key
Can I make pog game in game maker like 80’s pogs not memes also marbles
Shaggy Rogers ?
Do you have any tips to remember lines of code
just practice, don't worry too much about having to look things up. You'll always have to do that a bit, it just gets easier over time.
Thank you
he kinda looks like dream..
Can i build a house with a hammer?
Really hope I win!
Who win 3 gift codes?
I’m gonna enter, hope I win
Shaun Spalding?
Hmmm...
More like...
*_Shaggy Spalding_*
stil working with 8.0 pro