Mathematicians should be able to solve this as well, and here’s why: The concept applied in this puzzle is known as ‘triangulation’, a technique that involves moving your King in a triangular pattern, while restricting your opponent’s King to move sideways. Eventually, it becomes the same position as the starting one, although the opponent has to move instead of you. Typically, a zugzwang forces them to play an unwanted move, securing the allied win.
@@erikschlangenauge7514 Jo, Schlangenauge, das bezieht sich auf einen vorausgegangenen Kommentar von mir, in dem ich den déjà-vu Effekt versucht habe zu beschreiben 🙄 und mir erst hinterher eingefallen ist, dass er so heißt. Mir geht es wie vielen hier, dass mir die meisten Partien bekannt vorkommen, ... woher nur? 😃
The Short Term Takeaway is that *in puzzles* the Tempo Move is Often the Solution. The Long Term Takeaway is to See This when it Actually Happens in a Real Game.
I found Ka8 because it keeps the _distant_ opposition where there are 3 squares between the kings. It could also be thought of as a tempo move. I didn't see all the possible lines that follow from it, though.
Wow. I got this one. Of course I first brought the king to the wrong square before realising that it needed a tempo move to displace the Bishop. But, I am well chuffed.
I figured it out without watching solution in video. Like often , waiting move is solution. Ka8 . 'White wants to be his king on Kb8 and black king on Kd8 so pawn could check c7 + and king has to move Kd7 and block bishop check or Ke8, which allows white to promote c- pawn. Even if bishop takes the queen white will promote the other pawn I played vs Stockfish like this : 1. Ka8 Kd8 2.Kb8 Be6 3. c7+ Kd7 4.c8=Q+ Kxd6 .5.Qd8+ Now it was Queen + K vs Bishop +K which was easy to convert. I probably was too clumsy to mate black, but preferred to play on dark squares only to avoid any nasty surprises from opponent`s light square bishop
Got this one quickly. Immediately saw not to move the pawns as they provided a wall against the black King. Also saw the need for a tempo move right away as well. I'm doing better, but most I still miss.
I solved it, including the tempo move. I knew I wanted my king on c7 while black wanted Kd8, which I couldn't stop. So I went for a tempo move to get zuzvong to force the Bishop away. Took me several minutes though.
I saw the answer pretty quickly because the only other considerable move is Kb8 but you have the wrong tempo so Ka8 is correct (any other king or pawn move lets the enemy king stop your pawns)
That does make the plan messier but Kb7 protects the pawn. If black trades away his bishop, White escorts his other pawn for promotion. If Black saves his bishop by moving down the diagonal white Kc7 sets up for Pd7+ for a forced bishop trade. If Kd8 then white Pc7+ also forces a bishop trade with the follow up Pc8=Q.
Nice! Happy to solve it seeing the beautiful Ka8!! ( Did anyone put any drug on my coffee this morning?) But somehow I think that I saw this pretty study before...
I didn't "solve" the puzzle because I calculated 1.Ka8 Bd7 2.Kb7 Kd8 3.Kb6 Bc6: 4.Kc6: Kc8 and a draw by opposition! (2.c7 Bc8 3.Kb8 Kd7 is a draw by fortress.) Who has seen the "complete solution" including the win in this line before watching the video? @Chess strategy: Why didn't you mention this human try for a draw with 1...Bd7!? at all?
No, not so counter intuitive ... clear that natural move and first to calculate seems to be b8, but it quickly appears that there's a half move problem, and that you need "triangulation" ... then going to a8 comes naturally ...
No one is gonna believe me, but I was able to figure this out IMMEDIATELY, applying an ancient method that works for (almost) ALL such chess puzzle videos : *Always look for the LEAST OBVIOUS and MOST ILLOGICAL-looking move.* In this case I figured: Surely if you straight-away attempt to promote pawns straight away, Black can simply stop them... *...OR...* ...if you try to get King closer to action, this will FAIL. *THEREFORE,* the solution has to involve a starting with... *...moving the king **_AWAY_** from the action !! :D* .... (...i.e. *Ka8* in this case here....) Ta-daaaa !! :D (and from THAT move onwards, it's elementary.) .
You may say i shall be engaging you here with some sterile debate, but what you call the "most illogical" move might be, actually, the "most logical" one within a thinking framework quite different from the one you deem to be "natural". Let me explain myself a little bit: here the TEMPO will be one of the keys, along with the presence of a strategic C7 square. Of course, if you consider "pushing pawns" to be the "most" natural moves, then KA8 will sound definitely unnatural... but is it indeed ? Have a nice day or (k}night.
Ok, but what if 1 Ka8 Kd8 2 Kb8 Be6. The bishop retreats but to a square where it can be defended: 3 c7+ Kd7 4 c8=Q+ Kxd6. Now it's K + Q vs K + B, and I'm not sure of the outcome, but certainly Black has more chances for a draw.
An interesting point was the difference between A8 and B8 is that in the first one we keep the move one step so that the opponent has to move away a king or bishop.
1.Ra8 Bishop moves elsewhere than b7 and a6 2.Rb8 Black king must come close in d8. 3. c7+ wins because the promotion is assured : if Ke8 c8(+Q)+ BxQ 4.KxB ; if Kd7 c8(+Q)+
I was able to win but not on the first try. Can a strong player really see that many moves ahead? OR what is the rating of a player that can win on first try?
Endgames are largely straight-line calculation, so most decent players should be able to solve this if they go through the variations one by one as the presenter did. There are fewer pieces so fewer numbers of variations. In this puzzle the Bishop has many squares it can go to, but only two diagonals. It doesn't matter whether it chooses e6, f5, g4, or h3. They amount to the same thing.
I totally solved it, but I don't have a rating. I did beat a grandmaster once while he was playing 7 other games simultaneously so I'm above average I think. It wasn't about seeing lots of moves ahead for me. I looked it over and decided I needed to move to b8 while black's king was on d8, which forced the Bishop to move.
i'm 2200 elo and I found the first king move almost instantly, then I looked at the Kd8 and Bh3 line and saw that's a win and then I checked video to see what solution was
There are so few pieces and concrete lines, yes a strong player can see that many moves ahead. A VERY strong player may have even seen this before and knows it lol
I think, I have been knowing all of this studies for quite a long time before ... I was also wondering why. I leant that our brain when getting too old suggests us that we have been knowing some things before that in reality only started to exist a short time ago, joke 😂
yeah, move the king and not the pawns, everything else is losing, pretty easy to spot. Move the pawns when your king is in a comfy position, just saved you the entire video, you're welcome
The fact that this is a puzzle makes me look at the correct move immediately. In a real position I'd probably fail to see this with the time control.
Mathematicians should be able to solve this as well, and here’s why:
The concept applied in this puzzle is known as ‘triangulation’, a technique that involves moving your King in a triangular pattern, while restricting your opponent’s King to move sideways. Eventually, it becomes the same position as the starting one, although the opponent has to move instead of you. Typically, a zugzwang forces them to play an unwanted move, securing the allied win.
Quand même, c'est remarquable!
@@UteAllef-wo5ujes ist ebenso bemerkenswert, dass du hier auf französisch antworten musst!
@@erikschlangenauge7514 Jo, Schlangenauge, das bezieht sich auf einen vorausgegangenen Kommentar von mir, in dem ich den déjà-vu Effekt versucht habe zu beschreiben 🙄 und mir erst hinterher eingefallen ist, dass er so heißt. Mir geht es wie vielen hier, dass mir die meisten Partien bekannt vorkommen, ... woher nur? 😃
isn't this just remote opposition, no triangulation needed
@@tuoljg Right!!...It's opposition not triangulation!!
Excellent puzzle, you bring out the best. Thank you very much and God bless you
1.Ka8! Zetdwang A 1...Kd8 2.Kb8 Ba6 3.d7 or 2...Bg4 3.c7+ ( 1...Ba6 2.Kb8 Kd8 3.d7 is the same ) or ( 1...Bg4 2.Kb8 Bh3 3.Kc7 )
The Short Term Takeaway is that *in puzzles* the Tempo Move is Often the Solution. The Long Term Takeaway is to See This when it Actually Happens in a Real Game.
I found Ka8 because it keeps the _distant_ opposition where there are 3 squares between the kings. It could also be thought of as a tempo move. I didn't see all the possible lines that follow from it, though.
5:59 bishop takes d7. Then if you promote he just eat the figure you get. Draw
There's a check on black.
Moving pawns would naturally be wrong. Pawns are strongest side by side (pawn duo).
Wow. I got this one.
Of course I first brought the king to the wrong square before realising that it needed a tempo move to displace the Bishop.
But, I am well chuffed.
Well done
Nice video!
I figured it out without watching solution in video. Like often , waiting move is solution. Ka8 .
'White wants to be his king on Kb8 and black king on Kd8 so pawn could check c7 + and king has to move Kd7 and block bishop check or Ke8, which allows white to promote c- pawn. Even if bishop takes the queen white will promote the other pawn
I played vs Stockfish like this : 1. Ka8 Kd8 2.Kb8 Be6 3. c7+ Kd7 4.c8=Q+ Kxd6 .5.Qd8+
Now it was Queen + K vs Bishop +K which was easy to convert. I probably was too clumsy to mate black, but preferred to play on dark squares only to avoid any nasty surprises from opponent`s light square bishop
Got this one quickly. Immediately saw not to move the pawns as they provided a wall against the black King. Also saw the need for a tempo move right away as well. I'm doing better, but most I still miss.
I solved it, including the tempo move. I knew I wanted my king on c7 while black wanted Kd8, which I couldn't stop. So I went for a tempo move to get zuzvong to force the Bishop away. Took me several minutes though.
I didn't developed the complete analysis, too lazy😊, but understood the main key, c7 square control.
I saw the answer pretty quickly because the only other considerable move is Kb8 but you have the wrong tempo so Ka8 is correct (any other king or pawn move lets the enemy king stop your pawns)
1. Ka8 Bd7 seems to be the best black's chance.
2.Kb7! if Bxc6, 3. Kxc6 Kd8 4.d7 Ke7 5.Kc7 and promotes. If Kd8, 3. c7+ Ke8, 4. c8=Q+ Bxc8, 5. Kxc8 and d pawn is unstoppable.
As good a try as any, but after
1. Ka8 Bd7
2. c7 Bg4
3. Kb8
we arrive at the same position as 7:34.
That does make the plan messier but Kb7 protects the pawn. If black trades away his bishop, White escorts his other pawn for promotion. If Black saves his bishop by moving down the diagonal white Kc7 sets up for Pd7+ for a forced bishop trade. If Kd8 then white Pc7+ also forces a bishop trade with the follow up Pc8=Q.
Never forget your King, when you are in the End-Game!
Bit tricky failed to do even after 4-5 tries. Then saw your solution. Thanks for a tough puzzle 🙏🌷
Nice! Happy to solve it seeing the beautiful Ka8!!
( Did anyone put any drug on my coffee this morning?)
But somehow I think that I saw this pretty study before...
Spotted main line pretty fast, rest of lines can see om fly as first love is always the same..
Had an idea that solution lies in ‘ Opposition’ or zugzuwang but couldn’t solve
Very easy. I saw the right move 1.Ka8 in seconds. And then I did not more calculate. I saw only the Zugzwang position.
Surely you have to calculate, in order to realise that it’s zugzwang?
I didn't "solve" the puzzle because I calculated 1.Ka8 Bd7 2.Kb7 Kd8 3.Kb6 Bc6: 4.Kc6: Kc8 and a draw by opposition! (2.c7 Bc8 3.Kb8 Kd7 is a draw by fortress.)
Who has seen the "complete solution" including the win in this line before watching the video?
@Chess strategy: Why didn't you mention this human try for a draw with 1...Bd7!? at all?
1.Ka8 Bd7 2.Kb7 Kd8 3.c7+ Ke8 4.c8=Q Bxc8 5.Kxc8 seems to win for White
Didn't see all the variations, but I found the first move quite easily
I found the first move simply thanks to the experience of the game and by doing puzzles...😊
The Greater Opposition
Counter intuitive. Clever.
No, not so counter intuitive ... clear that natural move and first to calculate seems to be b8, but it quickly appears that there's a half move problem, and that you need "triangulation" ... then going to a8 comes naturally ...
Saw the first move, but not the follow-up 😢
There is one other variation: 1. Ka8 Bd7 -- but 2. Kb7 does the trick.
Thanks, I didn't know I was a so strong player😃
No one is gonna believe me, but I was able to figure this out IMMEDIATELY, applying an ancient method that works for (almost) ALL such chess puzzle videos :
*Always look for the LEAST OBVIOUS and MOST ILLOGICAL-looking move.*
In this case I figured: Surely if you straight-away attempt to promote pawns straight away, Black can simply stop them... *...OR...* ...if you try to get King closer to action, this will FAIL.
*THEREFORE,* the solution has to involve a starting with... *...moving the king **_AWAY_** from the action !! :D* .... (...i.e. *Ka8* in this case here....)
Ta-daaaa !! :D
(and from THAT move onwards, it's elementary.)
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You may say i shall be engaging you here with some sterile debate, but what you call the "most illogical" move might be, actually, the "most logical" one within a thinking framework quite different from the one you deem to be "natural". Let me explain myself a little bit: here the TEMPO will be one of the keys, along with the presence of a strategic C7 square. Of course, if you consider "pushing pawns" to be the "most" natural moves, then KA8 will sound definitely unnatural... but is it indeed ? Have a nice day or (k}night.
@@QoppaSavannaIt does claim a distant opposition to Black’s Ke8, after all. A common theme in K+P endgames.
Ok, but what if 1 Ka8 Kd8 2 Kb8 Be6. The bishop retreats but to a square where it can be defended: 3 c7+ Kd7 4 c8=Q+ Kxd6. Now it's K + Q vs K + B, and I'm not sure of the outcome, but certainly Black has more chances for a draw.
this is a puzzle and if you do not think twice before moving any pawn, you lose.
Perhaps, Kai is the first move.
Solved by the principle of Zugswang and triangulation.
Distant opposition! I remembered.🥳
An interesting point was the difference between A8 and B8 is that in the first one we keep the move one step so that the opponent has to move away a king or bishop.
I tried even Ka8 but left as futile 😊
1.Ra8 Bishop moves elsewhere than b7 and a6 2.Rb8 Black king must come close in d8. 3. c7+ wins because the promotion is assured : if Ke8 c8(+Q)+ BxQ 4.KxB ; if Kd7 c8(+Q)+
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Rooks are off the board in this puzzle u mug!!!
I tried everything except the very first tempo move.
I was able to win but not on the first try. Can a strong player really see that many moves ahead? OR what is the rating of a player that can win on first try?
Endgames are largely straight-line calculation, so most decent players should be able to solve this if they go through the variations one by one as the presenter did. There are fewer pieces so fewer numbers of variations. In this puzzle the Bishop has many squares it can go to, but only two diagonals. It doesn't matter whether it chooses e6, f5, g4, or h3. They amount to the same thing.
I totally solved it, but I don't have a rating. I did beat a grandmaster once while he was playing 7 other games simultaneously so I'm above average I think. It wasn't about seeing lots of moves ahead for me. I looked it over and decided I needed to move to b8 while black's king was on d8, which forced the Bishop to move.
i'm 2200 elo and I found the first king move almost instantly, then I looked at the Kd8 and Bh3 line and saw that's a win and then I checked video to see what solution was
There are so few pieces and concrete lines, yes a strong player can see that many moves ahead. A VERY strong player may have even seen this before and knows it lol
this one is even childs play for strong player, they do much more complicated stuff in their heads, bro
Whose turn is it to play ?
You analyse kb8 and once you see why it does not work you play ka8 and the rest follows. Sinple case of zugzwang
Who else missed 3.d7?
Useful
a very simple solution, yet you showed a beginner's moves😂.
C6 to C7
The problem isnt the problem...the problem is you didnt tell us whos move it it...
Ka7 to b6 road to victory
I was wondering about 1 Ka8 , Bd7 ...
The bishop is somehow standing against its troops to be honest.
... what?! O_o
Black has *NO "troops" left...* ... It's only WHITE "troops" against the Black bishop...
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Draw
What about Ka8 Bd7?
K to B7 still wins
I replied to this same question above in detail. Kb7 protects the pawn and threatens Kc7, which is fatal for black.
Good problem, thks
I win this game with black let me show you how.
d6 > d7
K-a8 wins
FCK that's beautiful
I'm 1400 and i could see this. Not that difficult.
It's not that easy!
No, white doesn't win this....
1. Ka8 Bd7
then: 2. Kb7 Bc6 3. Kc6 Kd8.... draw
or: 2. c7 Bc8 3. Kb8 Kd7..... draw
Easy peasy
Bien vu !
you didn't explore bd7
KxB?
Sorry but it wont need a strong player.
👍🇧🇷👍
I think, I have been knowing all of this studies for quite a long time before ... I was also wondering why. I leant that our brain when getting too old suggests us that we have been knowing some things before that in reality only started to exist a short time ago, joke 😂
Easy
ka8
Kb8
yeah, move the king and not the pawns, everything else is losing, pretty easy to spot. Move the pawns when your king is in a comfy position, just saved you the entire video, you're welcome
Really dude? Why?
1. Kb6!
Gjatë takimit u vlerësua o
This was one of the easiest puzzles, which I got straight away.
Anyone who considers moving the pawns right away should be doing simpler puzzles. You don't need to show these variations.
What about Ka8 Bd7?
Easy