Allied bombers took a shit kicking before fighter escorts were added, or when they didn't rendezvous with their escort at the right spot. Each bomber carries 8-10 men - mostly 19-30 year olds... and there are 4-5 ACTUAL live rounds (bullets) between each visible "tracer" line you see.
@@eXtremeFX2010 Problem was... occupied France. Allied fighters had limited range to escort all the way from England. After D-day, allies could fly from bases closer to Germany and escort bombers the whole way. Drop tanks made it possible.
@@chpman2013 weil sie für die Freiheit unseres Landes gekämpft haben. Bis heute wird unserem Volk so viel Leid und Unrecht angetan. Es wird geplündert, ermordet und zerstört. Und die Schuldigen der damaligen Kriege treiben bis heute ungestraft die Völker der Erde ins Verderben. Es wird Zeit diesem zionistischen Pack ein für alle mal den Gar auszumachen. ⚫⚪🔴🛡️⚔️💪🏻
It's truly sobering to think these machines are filled with the young men of their respective countries, the "cream of the crop", the young people that were supposed to be learning and growing, finding jobs, settling down. Instead, they battled to the death in the flak shattered skies over Europe. Even the ones that lived would see a part of themselves die forever, their youth and innocence wiped away in the flash of the gun barrels. Terrible.
@dansengines2594 Most combatants of the 2nd WW were called up to fight, I don't think the thought of freedom had much to do with any of it. My father fought from 1939-1945, as did his friends, with no noble thoughts about freedom, which was probably typical. In retrospect and looking at today's world he said (about 20 years ag) that the 2nd WW with it's deaths and expenditure had not been worth fighting. I agree.
those luftwaffe pilots were immensely brave, they were flying through their own flak and getting close to those bombers who had a mighty sting. The rear gunners of those bomber must have been dead because they had 50 cals.
I believe the pilot in this instance was Heinz Knoke. In his book “I flew for the Fuhrer” he describes such attacks. Head on attacks focusing on the cockpit were much safer than attacks from the rear and very effective.
“Against 20 Russians trying to shoot you down, or even 20 Spitfires, it can be exciting, even fun. But to curve in towards 40 Fortresses and all your past sins flash before your eyes. And when you yourself have reached this state of mind, it becomes that much more difficult to have to drive every pilot of the Geschwader, right down to the youngest and lowliest NCO, to do the same.” - Hans Phillip 206 Kills
You know the bomber is done for after a dozen or so shell flashes and the Luftwaffe pilot disengages. Those weren't novice pilots taking pot shots at 1,000 yards. It took big ones to do frontal assaults or take out the tail Gunner and move in...
I've heard/seen thanks to videos, of MK 131, 20 mm or 30 mm snub nose cannon blow off wings of fortresses, amazing the stats. Of most bombers being shot down by Luftwaffe Fighters Me-109-110, Focke-wolf 190 were the true Butcher Birds
Yeah, the 30mm (regardless of which MK type) packed a vicious punch. My understanding is that 10 good direct hits would be enough to bring down a B-17...and 1 to 2 good direct hits would be enough to bring down a fighter.
@@chpman2013bei den 4 Motorigen Bomber, reichten schon 5- 6 Treffer aus der 30 mm. Maschinenkanone MK 108,da jedes Geschoss mehr Sprengkraft als eine Handgranate hatte. Gefüllt mit HTA. (Hexogen,TNT und Aluminium) Bei Jägern 1-2 Treffer.
My Grandfather had scars from burns on his legs and took a piece of flak through his left lung that exited his back. He was a Ball Turret gunner on a B-24 in 443BG in England 42-45 Tommy Francis Moody.
*Do a frame-by-frame slowdown at around **1:33** of the B-24 head-on attack and you can see what appears to be either the Bombardier or Navigator come up thru and out of the can-opened front section of the Liberator's fuselage....R.I.P.*
Saw it. Everybody else in the front was either dead or a bloody mess! I cannot imagine how terrifying a head-on attack would be w/those cannon shells ripping into the plane! RIP guys.
Leider war es nicht so. Die Feinde hatten eine menge mehr Flugzeuge wie Deutschland. Auch die besten Kampflieger Schaffen es nicht, gegen zu viele Gegener!
Thanks. My Dad flew 58 missions with 15th AAF out of Italy, a B-24 nose gunner. We shared films like these and he said the truly worst were the frontal attacks (for ex. 1:12) that just annihilated the bomber's cockpit, pilot and copilot---aircraft finito. Here you can see what he means.
A Luftwaffe pilot experimented on dropping bombs on the formation from above, and scored multiple kills. Why didn't they continue that tactic? Shooting down three out of forty isn't a very effective defense.
I checked if it was tame or wilde sau, but both are 'specifically' night tactics. With that B-24 - I can never tell if it's 'tipping & running' for Zürich & cream buns, with the USAF. ... Or Oslo.
I dont' think that's Flak, I think those puffs are 2cm Mine shells self-destructing after missing their targets. You often see these in films but usually they're unnoticed or mistaken for Flak bursts.
@@JFDA5458 so, fast single-engined fighters like to wait 'til a big slow dicke auto sits like a duck for them? I don't think that's the case, unless it's wilde sau, which it isn't, because it's daytime. Maybe it's PTSD-induced laissez-faire. Or 'whateverrr'.
Maybe that's because we're used to watching videos of modern planes flying at jet speeds and manoeuvring at great pace, which is not how it was back then. Remember they had to chop the wingtips of the Spitfire to get it to roll faster to match the FW190. These days zap zap zap you've done a bunch of 360 degree rolls! Directors must not have WWII aircraft flying like modern jets. It's the worst mistake they can make in air combat sequences.
El ángulo para atacar a los B-17 parece que siempre es el mismo... por cola y desde abajo. El ametralladora de cola y el de la torreta giratoria inferior... no disparaban al caza?
Two adversaries willing to sacrifice their lives to do what they considered to be the right thing. One: defeat evil. The other: protect my country and my people. Sad and tragic really.
I know the best defence is to stick together but fuck me how do you hold course when your wings are literally getting shred to pieces and fuck being the German fighter pilot can't even begin to imagine how much lead comes from a formation of bombers
Nerve. And auto-pilot. And they may be so focused on what they're doing to really realize it. I've heard of infantrymen not noticing TANKS driving to their sides, pretty close, but because they were focused on the infantry to their direct front, they didn't hear or see a thing.
The German warrior is sitting behind a heavy engine block looking through 4 inch glass , and the American warrior is sitting behind behind a 1/4 inch plexiglass...
Does not matter who's side you choose watching these video's....fact remains that millions of young men and women....took to the skies, fighting a convlict started and fueled by arrogance and a pursuit of power by people who would not end up fighting for it. During any convlict, none will ever emerge completely innocent...and to deny that...makes you just as guilty.
pieterreynders5607. Don't try and spread guilt here. The German people followed a shrieking , anti Semitic Austrian misanthrope into Hell and paid the price for it. And after the war America rebuilt Germany and for over forty years kept the Russians out of West Germany.
That's the worst part, one side is directed by a feudal antiquated ruling class and the other by what General Patton called "that paper-hanging son-of-a-bitch". Doesn't seem right somehow.
Life expectancy for US crews on daylight raids in to Germany was 5-6 missions. US pilots remarked on the bravery of the German interceptors who came head-on into their formations.
@@bobsyoruncle4583 Those are an interesting statistic and observation by the USAAF pilots. It was clearly exceedingly intense in the skies over Germany. Aerial warfare was obviously not for the craven.
I'm a little perplexed. The B17 was the most heavily (machine gun) defended bomber of WWII. I've viewed many videos of B17's being attacked, many with the German right on their six but have never witnessed any return fire from the B17's, even when there flying in formation? The loan wounded B17 stranglers are most likely out of ammo or have injured crew which is understandable. Maybe tracers weren't being used? Just don't know.
Tracers are only Seen when you are behind the bullett. thats why we only See the German projectiles in the Video. If we would see the first person view of a b17 gunner, we would wonder why the german pilots aren't Shooting back because we would not see the german bullets coming. P.s.: I'm sorry for the Bad writing. I'm from Germany
It's obvious that the B-17 was disabled and was probably even crew less, most had bailed out, but it makes good P.R. to show the world the Luftwaffee's wins. All the B-17's guns are dangling as if crewless and empty, hence the "easy kill".
Is there Luftwaffe gun camera footage from earlier in the war? It all seems to be late war stuff, heavy daylight bombers and repetitious. Some early stuff would make a pleasant change, particularly over Russia where the fighting was below 5,000 ft. Footage of attacks on early twins would also be interesting.
I've wondered that too- it seems like it has to be somewhat slower than reality, but I don't know the rate. Someone who knows about German gun cameras might.
I was surprised to see none of the bombers appeared to take evasive action when under fire. Did they have to maintain formation no matter what? Very, very scary stuff. Great footage.
robinaboy. Yes they had to maintain formation as much as possible for their mutual defense and concentrated bombing effectiveness. I knew a man who served in WW2 as a navigator in a B 17. He said "Stragglers die''.
Their strength was in the tight flying formation called the box where they could cover each other with numerous guns. Luftwaffe pilots tried to disperse the box and pick them off one by one.
The USAAF "mostly" attacked strategic targets such as synthetic oil plants, power stations, fighter factories, railway centers, and heavy industry in the Ruhr. Near the end of the war, they adopted the "terror bombing" tactics of the RAF and began bombing undefended cities like Dresden.
Hitler, always the idiot, delayed the deployment of the 262 as a fighter, instead he called it the "blitz bomber" and fantasized about them attacking London. In any event, Germany was rapidly running out of both fuel and experienced pilots.
20 year olds do stuff like that.. As a 19 year old UK police officer, I was alone and unarmed when I got out of my car in the night and and told 300 rioters to go home. They did.. I am 76 now and take more care
Germany knew what would happen if they lost to the devil-controlled communist and capitalist world and at the end it was even worse than they expected.
Combined USAAF and RAF loss figures were 33,700 planes and 160,000 airmen. Deaths caused by bombing were 305,000 plus 780,000 injured. Mammoth numbers. "Germany sowed the wind and reaped the storm" - Air Vice Marshall Harris.
Der Marschall war genauso blöd wie der Großteil der Menschen die diese Lügen glauben. Allein England und Amerika zwingen durch ihre Lügen die Völker der Erde bis heute in die unzähligen Kriege. Sie allein! Und dort ganz speziell die Zionisten, Freimaurer, Illuminaten und Jesuiten.
I wonder if any Luftwaffe fighters employed armor piercing 20mm shells instead of the "mine" shells, which didn't penetrate enough to ignite payloads or cause instant engine failure.
@@turcarumimperator1395 Sort of the same thing with .50 cal ammo for the U.S., about 1 in every 3 to 5 rounds were tracers with the rest being Armor Piercing Incendiary rounds
The B-17 was a crap aircraft. A bomber converted from a civilian airliner. Slow and carried a small payload also very little in the way of armour. The crews were it's only saving grace. A Lancaster bomber using only 2 of its engines could easily outpace a B-17 flying at full speed. The Mosquito carried almost the same payload was faster and could reach almost as far. The essential role played by the 17 was to be the bait that would draw the German fighters into combat where they could be destroyed.Bombing targets was of secondary importance.
Let's look at the facts Goober. Lancaster top speed: 282 mph; bomb load 14,000 pounds Boeing B-17 top speed: 287 mph; bomb load 17,600 pounds Mosquito top speed: 415 mph; bomb load 4,000 pounds. You literally got EVERY fact wrong. Brazen ignorance on your part.
@@rattymouse O.K. listen up Sally. The B-17 had a rated cruising speed of 282 mph. Fully bombed up and armed that fell to 180 mph ,its internal bomb load was 45000 pounds. It had an effective range of 1600 miles(return). These are real world figures. It was a shit aircraft. Half of all B-17's that saw service in Europe were either destroyed or were so severely damaged they were written off. One in 200 Mosquitoes suffered the same fate. Now depending on altitude the 17 and Lancaster were poles apart . Below 15000 ft the Lancaster was much faster up to 20000ft they were similar and above 20000 ft the 17 was slightly faster. Still nothing compared to the Mosquito. The payload of the Mozzie was 4000 lbs.Incedently the Max. Bombload of the Lancaster was the 22000 lb. Grand Slam bomb. So when you start slinging statistics about.GET THEM RIGHT.
@@rattymouse That's the best you've got?. The RAF trialled the 17 in 1941. It was that bad that the 7 that were purchased for evaluation were deployed to Coastal command where they might have some small chance of contributing to the war effort
I just uploaded a Hungarian Messerscmitt Bf 109 ace tribute, who engaged US heavy bombers in 1944 frequently with some stunning wartime color photos: th-cam.com/video/s5pV42ULAmA/w-d-xo.html
Why don't you ever get to see the flash/ tracers of the .50 cal guns from the B17s/B24s??? Especially from the tail gunners .50 cals ??? Legit question....I see this in every videos like this....im sure the US gunners used tracer rounds as well as the Germans...ANYBODY ON THIS PLEASE???????
The tracer element is at the rear of the projectile, which makes it less visible from the perspective of the target as opposed to the shooter. Consider also that the defensive guns and their operators would frequently have already been incapacitated by the attacking fighters, it was relatively rare for a bomber to be taken out by a single pass.
@hw97karbine I am an experienced shooter for 30 years and have fired tracer rounds from rifles as well as pistols....the tracers I've fired ...the nose was painted with the chemical to make it visible....ive never seen any projectile with the chemical on the rear of the projectile ....but I've never ever seen any muzzle flashes from any of the .50 cal guns on the B17s or B24s ...granted the films from WW2 gun cameras are very grainy ....i sure appreciate your answer to my question....it just has bothered me for awhile
@@neilgoldstrom6312 have a look at this analysis, we can see the B-17 gunners are firing because of the smoke from the guns but no flashes or tracer rounds are visible in the film: imgur.com/a/tDwlo Here is a cross section of a 50 cal tracer bullet, as you can see the tracer compound is in the base of the bullet: i.imgur.com/NuB26hG.jpg
@@neilgoldstrom6312 das einzige was du vielleicht geschossen hast ist eine dicker Haufen in die Hose. Jeder der beim Militär war oder auch nur eine Waffe in der Hand hatte weiß das das Magnesium für die Leuchtspur am Projektilboden ist. Wie soll sich das denn vorne entzünden? Eine LED mit Batterie vielleicht? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏻♂️
1:16 I wonder if they released their bombs early because they were getting hit but you can see this is the very moment they released their whole payload of bombs...
Я уверен в том , что лютваффе очень серьезные пилоты , бф-109 отличная машина .но глядя на эти сьемки создаётся впечатление , что огневая мощь была недостаточной для уверенного поражения в сравнении с видео ,когда американские п51 просто разрывают противника
Вы про какую из основных модификаций Bf-109 речь ведете? E,F,G,K? Там вариантов вооружения довольно много было. Две крыльевые 20мм, одна мотор пушка 15, 20, 30мм плюс иногда две подвесные пушки 20 или 30мм. Два синхронных пулемета 7.92 или 13мм. Про FW-190 та же песня, были модификации с 2,4,6 пушками 20, 30мм.
@@riflemanrifleman4 самая массовая модификации ме109г , фв 190 А5, да я знаю что вариантов с вооружением было много ,согласен с вами ! Я не стал столь подробно писать. Было много и МЕ сто десятых!
@@riflemanrifleman4 15 миллиметровая пушка стояла на ранних фридрихах. На восточном фронте подвесные пушки как правило снимались а на западе подвесные обратно устанавливались ! Для борьбы с бомбардировщиками нужно было больше пушек.
There has surely to be one good reason if they didn't mount on their planes a cannon able to knock those bombers one by one off the sky with a single blow and had instead to waste precious time trying to write them off by multiple long-winded strafing...
It's worth noting that some bursts that can be mistaken for flak are often explosions of Werfer-Granate 21 rockets launched by the aircraft themselves or heavy caliber cannon shells that would self-destruct if they did not strike a target after traveling a certain distance.
They wouldn't've had to defend the Reich if they did not hide iraqui weapons of mass destruction or destroying the Tonkin Boats or write the Nayirah testimony.
In everyone one of these films....men died......war is a terrible way to settle disputes.....RIP to all those who did not make it home.......God bless
Allied bombers took a shit kicking before fighter escorts were added, or when they didn't rendezvous with their escort at the right spot. Each bomber carries 8-10 men - mostly 19-30 year olds... and there are 4-5 ACTUAL live rounds (bullets) between each visible "tracer" line you see.
@@eXtremeFX2010 Problem was... occupied France. Allied fighters had limited range to escort all the way from England. After D-day, allies could fly from bases closer to Germany and escort bombers the whole way. Drop tanks made it possible.
From the Luftwaffe's perspective, it must've been quite a sight to see those massive formations of B-17's and B-24's coming their way.
They did their best to impede strategic bombing... Luftwaffe knew it was over in 1943...but they kept on coming
@@greasyflight6609 hell, they knew it was over when they started seeing P-51 Mustangs deep in their territory, but yeah, they still kept coming.
That's because they were stupid.
@@chpman2013 weil sie für die Freiheit unseres Landes gekämpft haben. Bis heute wird unserem Volk so viel Leid und Unrecht angetan. Es wird geplündert, ermordet und zerstört. Und die Schuldigen der damaligen Kriege treiben bis heute ungestraft die Völker der Erde ins Verderben. Es wird Zeit diesem zionistischen Pack ein für alle mal den Gar auszumachen. ⚫⚪🔴🛡️⚔️💪🏻
@chpman2013 : It was that, or the Russian front. Dreadful either way!
Wow, phenomenal find- you continue to impress hw97karbine.
The Germans were outnumbered and outgunned. Yet their pilots did what they could.
It's truly sobering to think these machines are filled with the young men of their respective countries, the "cream of the crop", the young people that were supposed to be learning and growing, finding jobs, settling down. Instead, they battled to the death in the flak shattered skies over Europe. Even the ones that lived would see a part of themselves die forever, their youth and innocence wiped away in the flash of the gun barrels. Terrible.
Your comment is worth publication.
What a load of crap. The Nazis chose that path. The Allies had no choice.
@dansengines2594 Most combatants of the 2nd WW were called up to fight, I don't think the thought of freedom had much to do with any of it. My father fought from 1939-1945, as did his friends, with no noble thoughts about freedom, which was probably typical. In retrospect and looking at today's world he said (about 20 years ag) that the 2nd WW with it's deaths and expenditure had not been worth fighting. I agree.
Yes: he great sacrifices they had to endure... and the amount of innocent people they killed
1914-18, 1939-45 Never again brothers never again.
those luftwaffe pilots were immensely brave, they were flying through their own flak and getting close to those bombers who had a mighty sting. The rear gunners of those bomber must have been dead because they had 50 cals.
Im pretty sure some fighters had 20mm cannons equipped.
@@-southern_dh_mtb-5840 All did.
Only the Wilde Sau units flew in their own Flak- the little puffs you see in these films are 20mm HE shells that missed self-destructing.
Interesting
Thank you very much
1:34 ripped right through the cockpit...
Most effective way of knocking out a bomber. But short engagement time makes it extremely tricky.
I believe the pilot in this instance was Heinz Knoke. In his book “I flew for the Fuhrer” he describes such attacks. Head on attacks focusing on the cockpit were much safer than attacks from the rear and very effective.
Other head-on attacks at 2:51 and 3:52.
Head-on pass....just barely enough time to shit your pants
Turned into stew.
“Against 20 Russians trying to shoot you down, or even 20 Spitfires, it can be exciting, even fun. But to curve in towards 40 Fortresses and all your past sins flash before your eyes. And when you yourself have reached this state of mind, it becomes that much more difficult to have to drive every pilot of the Geschwader, right down to the youngest and lowliest NCO, to do the same.”
- Hans Phillip 206 Kills
You know the bomber is done for after a dozen or so shell flashes and the Luftwaffe pilot disengages. Those weren't novice pilots taking pot shots at 1,000 yards. It took big ones to do frontal assaults or take out the tail Gunner and move in...
I've heard/seen thanks to videos, of MK 131, 20 mm or 30 mm snub nose cannon blow off wings of fortresses, amazing the stats. Of most bombers being shot down by Luftwaffe Fighters Me-109-110, Focke-wolf 190 were the true Butcher Birds
Yeah, the 30mm (regardless of which MK type) packed a vicious punch. My understanding is that 10 good direct hits would be enough to bring down a B-17...and 1 to 2 good direct hits would be enough to bring down a fighter.
@@chpman2013bei den 4 Motorigen Bomber, reichten schon 5- 6 Treffer aus der 30 mm. Maschinenkanone MK 108,da jedes Geschoss mehr Sprengkraft als eine Handgranate hatte. Gefüllt mit HTA. (Hexogen,TNT und Aluminium) Bei Jägern 1-2 Treffer.
20mm and 30mm are devastating!
There are a lot of dangerous measurements out there.
My Grandfather had scars from burns on his legs and took a piece of flak through his left lung that exited his back. He was a Ball Turret gunner on a B-24 in 443BG in England 42-45 Tommy Francis Moody.
*Do a frame-by-frame slowdown at around **1:33** of the B-24 head-on attack and you can see what appears to be either the Bombardier or Navigator come up thru and out of the can-opened front section of the Liberator's fuselage....R.I.P.*
@FarTooRight cree-pee
Saw it. Everybody else in the front was either dead or a bloody mess! I cannot imagine how terrifying a head-on attack would be w/those cannon shells ripping into the plane! RIP guys.
Onore ai piloti tedeschi
1:33 DAMN
Poor guys got shredded.
That guy wasn't fooling around
Mehr FW 190 und Me 262 früher und in großen Stückzahlen. Unser Himmel wäre schnell wieder sauber gewesen.
Und mit Rache!
Leider war es nicht so. Die Feinde hatten eine menge mehr Flugzeuge wie Deutschland. Auch die besten Kampflieger Schaffen es nicht, gegen zu viele Gegener!
Solange Nazis in der Luft sind, kann man den Himmel nie sauber nennen.
@@PSPaaskynen das ist mir zu pauschal. Zunächst waren es Soldaten, Angehörige der damaligen Luftwaffe.
@@PSPaaskynenDoch!
looks like it was pretty hard to shoot down a bomber even after several direct hits to the engine
Contemporary German analysis showed that it took and average of around 15 to 20 hits from 20mm cannon shells to bring down a B-17 Flying Fortress.
@@hw97karbine 👍🏻
It amazes me the punishment the Viermots could take
To fly into that shitstorm of flak and 50's took real balls
US 8th Air Force in England had a grim casualty rate... three completed missions and your luck was out
@@greasyflight6609 Schweinfurt. Regensburg. 30 percent shot down. And other disastrous missions with losses like that and poor results.
It’s not Flak, it’s the self destructive canon shells.
Thanks. My Dad flew 58 missions with 15th AAF out of Italy, a B-24 nose gunner. We shared films like these and he said the truly worst were the frontal attacks (for ex. 1:12) that just annihilated the bomber's cockpit, pilot and copilot---aircraft finito. Here you can see what he means.
I appreciate you sharing that!
@dansengines2594 You bet
@dansengines2594 er war ein Verbrecher, ein Krimineller! 🤮
A Luftwaffe pilot experimented on dropping bombs on the formation from above, and scored multiple kills. Why didn't they continue that tactic? Shooting down three out of forty isn't a very effective defense.
outstanding footage...the courage of those pilots and crews probably will never been seen again......hopefully
*Imagine the amount of fear and horror and mutilation and death we actually are witnessing here*
99% of that fear horror and mutilation is allied aircrew killing women and children
It's war.
@@Rhino1277HotRails I think he knows that….
@Sv5YpWTwd9otTA4So83f yeah
I have never seen any air force Hollywood cinema describing these numerous bullets hitting a plane. RIP all airmen.
Surprising number of intercepts seem to be on the bomb-run with doors open, in the flak box.
At 1:15 the B-24 on the right is actually dropping its bombload
I checked if it was tame or wilde sau, but both are 'specifically' night tactics. With that B-24 - I can never tell if it's 'tipping & running' for Zürich & cream buns, with the USAF. ... Or Oslo.
I dont' think that's Flak, I think those puffs are 2cm Mine shells self-destructing after missing their targets. You often see these in films but usually they're unnoticed or mistaken for Flak bursts.
That's because they have to fly straight and level for a few moments on the bomb run. Maximum vulnerability.
@@JFDA5458 so, fast single-engined fighters like to wait 'til a big slow dicke auto sits like a duck for them? I don't think that's the case, unless it's wilde sau, which it isn't, because it's daytime. Maybe it's PTSD-induced laissez-faire. Or 'whateverrr'.
"We are fools to make war with our brothers in arms"
Are these films slowed down? Maybe for clarity's sake or something? Because they seem very slow.
Maybe that's because we're used to watching videos of modern planes flying at jet speeds and manoeuvring at great pace, which is not how it was back then. Remember they had to chop the wingtips of the Spitfire to get it to roll faster to match the FW190. These days zap zap zap you've done a bunch of 360 degree rolls! Directors must not have WWII aircraft flying like modern jets. It's the worst mistake they can make in air combat sequences.
El ángulo para atacar a los B-17 parece que siempre es el mismo... por cola y desde abajo. El ametralladora de cola y el de la torreta giratoria inferior... no disparaban al caza?
German Gentleman-Ace didn't shoot, because gears are down👍
Two adversaries willing to sacrifice their lives to do what they considered to be the right thing. One: defeat evil. The other: protect my country and my people. Sad and tragic really.
Unsere wollen das Böse besiegen und ihr Land schützen. ⚫⚪🔴🛡️⚔️💪🏻
I know the best defence is to stick together but fuck me how do you hold course when your wings are literally getting shred to pieces and fuck being the German fighter pilot can't even begin to imagine how much lead comes from a formation of bombers
Nerve. And auto-pilot. And they may be so focused on what they're doing to really realize it. I've heard of infantrymen not noticing TANKS driving to their sides, pretty close, but because they were focused on the infantry to their direct front, they didn't hear or see a thing.
Gut gemacht.
The German warrior is sitting behind a heavy engine block looking through 4 inch glass , and the American warrior is sitting behind behind a 1/4 inch plexiglass...
Before long range Mustang fighter escort ?
certainly yes...
Does not matter who's side you choose watching these video's....fact remains that millions of young men and women....took to the skies, fighting a convlict started and fueled by arrogance and a pursuit of power by people who would not end up fighting for it. During any convlict, none will ever emerge completely innocent...and to deny that...makes you just as guilty.
pieterreynders5607. Don't try and spread guilt here. The German people followed a shrieking , anti Semitic Austrian misanthrope into Hell and paid the price for it. And after the war America rebuilt Germany and for over forty years kept the Russians out of West Germany.
That's the worst part, one side is directed by a feudal antiquated ruling class and the other by what General Patton called "that paper-hanging son-of-a-bitch". Doesn't seem right somehow.
Reminds me of the scene in memphis belle when the ball turret gunner claims that a close passing 109 pilot had blue eyes.... Fascinating footage
"That guy had blues eyes!"
This film demonstrates why this was the most dangerous job in WWII. Hats off to these brave souls!
Being a german submariner was even more dangerous (about 50% chance to die for allied bomber crew and 70% for german sub crew)
I don't recognize the bomber at 3:43. I guess a Fortress, but it looks too small or short
It's a Fortress with its wheels down - trying to surrender, presumably.
Eine Tat bringt die nächste hervor - wer auch immer stark genug ist, um den Kreislauf zu durchbrechen, Schatz ...
A desperate fight against a never ending "Bomberstrom"
The attrition rate among USAAF bomber crews must have been very high. The flying crews of both sides were very brave.
Life expectancy for US crews on daylight raids in to Germany was 5-6 missions. US pilots remarked on the bravery of the German interceptors who came head-on into their formations.
@@bobsyoruncle4583 Those are an interesting statistic and observation by the USAAF pilots. It was clearly exceedingly intense in the skies over Germany. Aerial warfare was obviously not for the craven.
I'm a little perplexed. The B17 was the most heavily (machine gun) defended bomber of WWII. I've viewed many videos of B17's being attacked, many with the German right on their six but have never witnessed any return fire from the B17's, even when there flying in formation? The loan wounded B17 stranglers are most likely out of ammo or have injured crew which is understandable. Maybe tracers weren't being used? Just don't know.
Tracers are only Seen when you are behind the bullett. thats why we only See the German projectiles in the Video. If we would see the first person view of a b17 gunner, we would wonder why the german pilots aren't Shooting back because we would not see the german bullets coming.
P.s.: I'm sorry for the Bad writing. I'm from Germany
Contrary to Hollywood, you can't see tracer rounds coming toward you. Not in daylight, anyway. The phosphorus is in a well at the rear of the bullet.
You only can see tracers fron behind. Oncomining tracers aren't visible.
its because if they returned fire these recordings couldnt reach us
It's obvious that the B-17 was disabled and was probably even crew less, most had bailed out, but it makes good P.R. to show the world the Luftwaffee's wins. All the B-17's guns are dangling as if crewless and empty, hence the "easy kill".
4:13 There seem to be around 100 bombers visible in the frame!
Is there Luftwaffe gun camera footage from earlier in the war? It all seems to be late war stuff, heavy daylight bombers and repetitious. Some early stuff would make a pleasant change, particularly over Russia where the fighting was below 5,000 ft. Footage of attacks on early twins would also be interesting.
These clips might be of interest:
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How slowed down, if at all, would this footage be?
I've wondered that too- it seems like it has to be somewhat slower than reality, but I don't know the rate. Someone who knows about German gun cameras might.
Twice as fast it looks realistic
American footage was pretty much standardized at 24 frames per second during the 30's and 40's
0:39 P-38 "Oh okay, I'm coming to help bro.".
I was surprised to see none of the bombers appeared to take evasive action when under fire. Did they have to maintain formation no matter what? Very, very scary stuff. Great footage.
robinaboy. Yes they had to maintain formation as much as possible for their mutual defense and concentrated bombing effectiveness. I knew a man who served in WW2 as a navigator in a B 17. He said "Stragglers die''.
Their strength was in the tight flying formation called the box where they could cover each other with numerous guns. Luftwaffe pilots tried to disperse the box and pick them off one by one.
How I spent memorial day 2023.
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ドイツ軍戦闘機：B17を撃墜しました！！
日本軍ゼロ戦：B－17に撃墜されました…
die haben noch viel zu wenige vom himmel geholt. 1500 me 262 und die 8 luftflotte , hätte sich in luft aufgelöst.
But there weren't +
One group is attacking warriors. The other group is trying to attack civilians.
The USAAF "mostly" attacked strategic targets such as synthetic oil plants, power stations, fighter factories, railway centers, and heavy industry in the Ruhr. Near the end of the war, they adopted the "terror bombing" tactics of the RAF and began bombing undefended cities like Dresden.
With ME 262 1 year earlier , er would have got.them out of our sky!
Hitler, always the idiot, delayed the deployment of the 262 as a fighter, instead he called it the "blitz bomber" and fantasized about them attacking London. In any event, Germany was rapidly running out of both fuel and experienced pilots.
I would have not wanted to be the pilots of that Liberator at 1:33
1:16 did you see the bombs dropping top rught?
When you think how old them bomber pilots were .. twenty something ...jesus christ....they had the balls ....they were just built different back then.
20 year olds do stuff like that.. As a 19 year old UK police officer, I was alone and unarmed when I got out of my car in the night and and told 300 rioters to go home. They did.. I am 76 now and take more care
For honor
For country
Fight to the bitter end
Germany knew what would happen if they lost to the devil-controlled communist and capitalist world and at the end it was even worse than they expected.
Incredible footage
How rare to see bombers dropping bombs at the same time as gunners are firing on them that’s once in a lifetime ifs around 1:16
fantastic bro thanks
Combined USAAF and RAF loss figures were 33,700 planes and 160,000 airmen. Deaths caused by bombing were 305,000 plus 780,000 injured. Mammoth numbers. "Germany sowed the wind and reaped the storm" - Air Vice Marshall Harris.
Der Marschall war genauso blöd wie der Großteil der Menschen die diese Lügen glauben. Allein England und Amerika zwingen durch ihre Lügen die Völker der Erde bis heute in die unzähligen Kriege. Sie allein! Und dort ganz speziell die Zionisten, Freimaurer, Illuminaten und Jesuiten.
it remains a war crime, like the German bombings of civil targets.
I wonder if any Luftwaffe fighters employed armor piercing 20mm shells instead of the "mine" shells, which didn't penetrate enough to ignite payloads or cause instant engine failure.
As far as i know they had mixed ammo belts. Like 1 armor piercing for 4 HE, the same goes for tracer rounds by the way.
@@turcarumimperator1395 Sort of the same thing with .50 cal ammo for the U.S., about 1 in every 3 to 5 rounds were tracers with the rest being Armor Piercing Incendiary rounds
they had different load-outs but as we can see from the footage the primary shells were mine rounds.
One day over schwerinfurt in the Ruhr valley 112 B-17 bombers shot down - there are 12 men onboard - devastating
The B-17 was a crap aircraft. A bomber converted from a civilian airliner. Slow and carried a small payload also very little in the way of armour. The crews were it's only saving grace. A Lancaster bomber using only 2 of its engines could easily outpace a B-17 flying at full speed. The Mosquito carried almost the same payload was faster and could reach almost as far. The essential role played by the 17 was to be the bait that would draw the German fighters into combat where they could be destroyed.Bombing targets was of secondary importance.
Let's look at the facts Goober.
Lancaster top speed: 282 mph; bomb load 14,000 pounds
Boeing B-17 top speed: 287 mph; bomb load 17,600 pounds
Mosquito top speed: 415 mph; bomb load 4,000 pounds.
You literally got EVERY fact wrong.
Brazen ignorance on your part.
@@rattymouse O.K. listen up Sally. The B-17 had a rated cruising speed of 282 mph. Fully bombed up and armed that fell to 180 mph ,its internal bomb load was 45000 pounds. It had an effective range of 1600 miles(return). These are real world figures. It was a shit aircraft. Half of all B-17's that saw service in Europe were either destroyed or were so severely damaged they were written off. One in 200 Mosquitoes suffered the same fate. Now depending on altitude the 17 and Lancaster were poles apart . Below 15000 ft the Lancaster was much faster up to 20000ft they were similar and above 20000 ft the 17 was slightly faster. Still nothing compared to the Mosquito. The payload of the Mozzie was 4000 lbs.Incedently the Max. Bombload of the Lancaster was the 22000 lb. Grand Slam bomb. So when you start slinging statistics about.GET THEM RIGHT.
I should have typed 4500 pounds . Got a little carried away.
@@billjones3312 Wrong again Goober. More brazen ignorance.
@@rattymouse That's the best you've got?. The RAF trialled the 17 in 1941. It was that bad that the 7 that were purchased for evaluation were deployed to Coastal command where they might have some small chance of contributing to the war effort
I just uploaded a Hungarian Messerscmitt Bf 109 ace tribute, who engaged US heavy bombers in 1944 frequently with some stunning wartime color photos: th-cam.com/video/s5pV42ULAmA/w-d-xo.html
I read that the bomber deploying it's land gear was the same as surrendering. Don't know if it's true.
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Thank you for sharing
Man does that footage give me anxiety seeing our boyz getting chopped up like that🙏
Such was the nature of war, especially the war in the air.
Understandably!
Why don't you ever get to see the flash/ tracers of the .50 cal guns from the B17s/B24s??? Especially from the tail gunners .50 cals ??? Legit question....I see this in every videos like this....im sure the US gunners used tracer rounds as well as the Germans...ANYBODY ON THIS PLEASE???????
The tracer element is at the rear of the projectile, which makes it less visible from the perspective of the target as opposed to the shooter. Consider also that the defensive guns and their operators would frequently have already been incapacitated by the attacking fighters, it was relatively rare for a bomber to be taken out by a single pass.
@hw97karbine I am an experienced shooter for 30 years and have fired tracer rounds from rifles as well as pistols....the tracers I've fired ...the nose was painted with the chemical to make it visible....ive never seen any projectile with the chemical on the rear of the projectile ....but I've never ever seen any muzzle flashes from any of the .50 cal guns on the B17s or B24s ...granted the films from WW2 gun cameras are very grainy ....i sure appreciate your answer to my question....it just has bothered me for awhile
@@neilgoldstrom6312 have a look at this analysis, we can see the B-17 gunners are firing because of the smoke from the guns but no flashes or tracer rounds are visible in the film: imgur.com/a/tDwlo
Here is a cross section of a 50 cal tracer bullet, as you can see the tracer compound is in the base of the bullet: i.imgur.com/NuB26hG.jpg
@@neilgoldstrom6312 das einzige was du vielleicht geschossen hast ist eine dicker Haufen in die Hose. Jeder der beim Militär war oder auch nur eine Waffe in der Hand hatte weiß das das Magnesium für die Leuchtspur am Projektilboden ist. Wie soll sich das denn vorne entzünden? Eine LED mit Batterie vielleicht? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏻♂️
Poor buggers. Also defending you cities from being burnt like cologne and dresden.......
In Egypt there are no gun camera films available to the public but only a very few gun camera stills
Meanwhile Germany in 1945:
Incredible, thank you.
1:16 I wonder if they released their bombs early because they were getting hit but you can see this is the very moment they released their whole payload of bombs...
Why gunners cannot hit fighters at 50 meters at right angles ???
Probably because they have an arm blown off
Because hitting a small fighter flying at 600 km/h isn't the easiest thing to do
so hard to take down those bombers even with 20mm
The true horror of war, is that life limited old men, send decent young men to kill other decent young men. The best of us.
Alot of dudes would be getting chopped up inside those B17s
и где же десятки крупнокалиберных пулеметов ??¿
Wreckage of 40000 US war planes was littered across Europe.What a waste.
the 8th AF lost as many personnel in WW2 as the entire USMC
Я уверен в том , что лютваффе очень серьезные пилоты , бф-109 отличная машина .но глядя на эти сьемки создаётся впечатление , что огневая мощь была недостаточной для уверенного поражения в сравнении с видео ,когда американские п51 просто разрывают противника
МЕ 109 имел три пушки 20 миллиметров, или 30 миллиметров! Фокке Вульф -190 имел на вооружение четыре пушки 20 миллиметров.
Вы про какую из основных модификаций Bf-109 речь ведете? E,F,G,K? Там вариантов вооружения довольно много было. Две крыльевые 20мм, одна мотор пушка 15, 20, 30мм плюс иногда две подвесные пушки 20 или 30мм. Два синхронных пулемета 7.92 или 13мм.
Про FW-190 та же песня, были модификации с 2,4,6 пушками 20, 30мм.
@@riflemanrifleman4 самая массовая модификации ме109г , фв 190 А5, да я знаю что вариантов с вооружением было много ,согласен с вами ! Я не стал столь подробно писать. Было много и МЕ сто десятых!
А ME-262 имел до четыре пушки MK-108 30 миллиметров.
@@riflemanrifleman4 15 миллиметровая пушка стояла на ранних фридрихах. На восточном фронте подвесные пушки как правило снимались а на западе подвесные обратно устанавливались ! Для борьбы с бомбардировщиками нужно было больше пушек.
@@lovrom7671 согласен!
estaban sordas las camaras
This could greatly benefit from AI clean up and stabilisation.
Axis combat footage better than allied combat footage, why's that?
1:16 BOMBS AWAY
There has surely to be one good reason if they didn't mount on their planes a cannon able to knock those bombers one by one off the sky with a single blow and had instead to waste precious time trying to write them off by multiple long-winded strafing...
2:50 Terrifing...
molto robusti questi B17 e B24
Clearly the Germans didn't mind putting up flak even though their own aircraft were overhead.
It's worth noting that some bursts that can be mistaken for flak are often explosions of Werfer-Granate 21 rockets launched by the aircraft themselves or heavy caliber cannon shells that would self-destruct if they did not strike a target after traveling a certain distance.
95% of the aircraft caught in the flak cloud were American bombers, so it wasn't that high risk
They wouldn't've had to defend the Reich if they hadn't offended so many others. No sympathy here. It's disheartening to see Allied planes go down.
They wouldn't've had to defend the Reich if they did not hide iraqui weapons of mass destruction or destroying the Tonkin Boats or write the Nayirah testimony.
Buen trabajo
you are fantastic
Diese Eisenvögel sind wild
Foi um inferno nos céus.
Kids with X box controllers do this now.
also war thunder: died after one hit
Baron rojo dice
1;34 ☠️☠️
Eyes down boys
Man Ptinnka Egzotika