SCREAMING Serpentine Belt! (Lookin for Engine Knock) Ford F-150 5.4 Triton
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Ray has the ability to read the part number on the belt while 😊engine is spinning. That’s why he faces the number towards him.
Ray is the Chuck Norris of Mechanics.
The Ted Williams of ASEdom (Ted claimed to be able to see the laces of the baseball hurtling toward him)
"Some say he blinks horizontally and he sweats Brake Clean.. All we know is they call him THE RAY"
Bionic Ray dodododododoododod
The number must face the front of the vehicle. Otherwise the serpentine belt was installed backwards. That would be baaaaaad - Rainman Ray
I swear every time a fuel pump goes out the car always has a full tank
At least the tank doesn’t have to be dropped.
Or if iti s a problem with a noise when hot the car comes in on fumes.
Drowned it ? (chuckle !)
@@Michael-yi4mc Full to the brim and one of those where the straps have to be cut and replaced, with the snap off bolts, when you do remove the tank, and you cannot drain it when it is up in place in the vehicle.
Just changed mine on my car and while I only had to remove the rear seat to get to it the access panel is too small and made it a pita. How hard would it have been to give that panel an inch of clearance all the way around? They do that crap on purpose I swear
Good morning Ray from San Diego. That one day when a couple of hateful people vented on you. Then you decided to be more real with less editing. Right on brother. Don't change Ray. I love your positive daily mood and honest work ethic.. The Lord bless you and your family. You are a wonderful example of the Lord's handiwork. Like Christ you don't respond with hate, you respond with honest love.
AMEN
Apparently, not only is everything a hammer... everything is a shelf! 🤣
I was thinking the same thing.
Yeah that big giant cardboard box is no exception!
Oh, everything is definitely a shelf. If I can set something on it w/o it falling off, its already covered in junk.
Perhaps the knocking sound is from the “ trunk monkey”. He wants out. Lol.
Reminds me of where guys start an engine that has sat a long time and when it fires up they're all yelling and cheering.
I'm thinking ' is anybody listening to hear if it knocks ?"
LOL😂
I had pullies and tensioner on my Expedition replaced at 75,000 miles. Made 100% quieter operation. Owners are use to noises and forget what the truck sounded like new. For a couple hundred dollars, best repairs that can be made to a vehicle.
I had the tensioner pulley disintegrate on a Thunderbird in the middle of nowhere 20+ years ago. If I even think I hear a noise I start replacing those pulleys.
many adjusters will knock and rattle time to time both of my cars did this. so you fixed it you are amazing.
Ray -- While you were driving a thought entered my mind, do you ever drive by the old repair shop and get a good laugh?
Ray,read the comments about the cobra’s shifter. A couple of people have told you how to get it out of park and reverse. You have to lift up on the handle. There is lock-out for reverse and park.
I had a "engine knock" that was being caused by a worn tensioner. It was moving laterally just enough under load for the back side of the arm to knock up against the engine block and cause what sounded distinctly like a rod knock. This probably would have been prevented by the belt tension, but the pulley bearings were also worn so the entire belt could shift back and forth enough to allow the tensioner to oscillate and hit the block.
The “Knocking” noise he heard could have just been the worn out pulleys and the metal flakes were actually just break in shavings.
Came on to say the same thing. Has the customer got a well tuned ear and hears the follower pulleys loading and unloading, creating a knock that he wants to associate with a rebuilt engine? Being wary about a rebuilt engine is no slight on him. He’s rightly questioning the quality before it’s too late.
I hope Ray remembers to put the fan shroud back on… 😅
The Prodigy style ferd test drive track was dope!!.....Ray high on E-85😂😂😂😂
Hey Ray, Rukario here, a pulley could cause the very same knocking noise, you see, if those pulleys are unbalanced or just plain old, it can knock up against the engine block or other pulleys, making a knocking sound.
I wonder if it was a bad tensioner. Maybe the spring was weak
@@TheProtagonist_777 That's just what i was thinking. I've seen it a few times.
Ray, that is a B&M Quicksilver shifter in the Cobra. You have to put it in drive and then pull up on the shifter to then go into neutral and then
park.
He acknowledged this in a comment of the previous vid. Must be a different issue
Why make a simple process so complicated?
I've got an 07 with the 5.4, 300k miles. I may have heard the noise you're describing. Fully hot engine, RPM just off idle. Like 1000-1200. (Low load, not high rpm though, but 55mph low load is sub 1500rpm on these engines) First noticed while creeping forward in a drive through, sound bouncing of wall. Will do it in neutral too, slight rev and hold. Noise reduces after a fresh oil change, but only hear it at rpm mentioned above. Haven't taken the time to hunt down the cause yet. Hope this helps.
Yes Ray I have . I was installing an engine .I said let's drop the pan first . One connecting rod was not torqued, the nuts were lose . 69 Ford Cobra installing a 390 . Good find on my part. 😊😊😊😊😊😊
I had a 2000 F-150 and seven Ford Panthers of the years. I was thinking "can't you just remove the belt from the AC compressor?" and as you're putting the belt back on I see that yes, you can. You don't have to take the tensioner off. Although with the tools you have on hand it's probably a lot faster to just pull the tensioner.
3:42 speculation time
Momentary knocking during de-acelebration.
5.4 Phasers have a known issue where they will make a "knocking" noise for a few seconds at idle when the engine is warm. Aka the hot idle knock. The pin in the phaser has a clearance issue do to wear.
Ford designed the tensioner like that to encourage replacing the tensioner when replacing the belt.
I've changed the air filter on my 2001 F150 several times over the past 20+ years. Sometimes that latch is cantankerous, and you swear you need three hands. Other times, it slips right on.
Did you lift the shifter to move it ... Lift it to pull back and Lift it to put it back into park from drive.
Yup, it’s not working, it gets worse too, I’ll made a video later about what happened
@@RainmanRaysRepairsis that a Saturday video? For tomorrow?
@@coreyfairbanks7374 no not yet, soon
@@RainmanRaysRepairs Thank you for the reply........ THAT WAS AWSOME., watched your wife's video on the Mustang on my lunch break today....love you guys.....
REEEE3EEE - Wasting customers fuel driving around town !!! JOKING Ray just having fun with a REEEE3EEE LMAO
Someone needs to find the guy that designed that air filter housing setup and pee in his swimming pool. An unnecessarily complicated design.
Lift the shifter up, pull back. B&M ratchet shifter with a reverse lockout. I run the same on my BBC Camaro. Manifold is a mismatch for the street.
This would have been a perfect opportunity to use that new tensioner tool, Ray. Good work as always!
Sounds like an unexpected day at the beach !
Push that yellow charger out. Fans, and Kitty litter to the rescue.😂😂
I've seldom come across an engine knock that is intermittent, the knocking is usually coming from something that is flopping around in my experience and since they swapped engines it's entirely possible they didn't fastened something correctly which is now causing the knocking.
Another great product from ford
I have found the air filter goes into place easier if you put the filter onto the moveable piece first and get everything lined up incl the clamp. The the whole thing lines up with the stationary half easily. Just the way I did it.
Fords are notorious for tensioners causing that knocking noise. You probably fixed it with the pulley change.
maybe the tensioner bearings were grind rattling when cold. i think you fixed it .
The replacement of the pullies and tensioner fixed the knocking noise because bad bearings.
Hey Ray, you know you've cut enough corners
When you've gone full circle
Lol
Ray's brain firing on five cylinders fumed out of his mind still has more fine motor control and intuition than I do on my best days working on my own cars, lol. Including fan gravity twice.
I reference to every thing is fighting me today. “Sometimes you’re the statue, sometimes you’re the bird. Lol I have those days too. lol Great job at staying cheerful! 👍
You really didn’t find any metal in the oil filter. And the squealing is gone. That’s a win all day long. That guy has a good 5.4 Triton. He’ll understand and be thankful the more he drives it.
I used to have a 4.6 expedition, timing chains stretched too far at 180k miles and had no tension on the tensioners when warmed up, when I finally pulled the cover to change it all I found broken sliders, maxed out tensioners and the chain was rubbing material of the inner cover reinforcing “ribs.”
I’ll bet that’s where the metal is coming from, the chains will slack under low/steady load.
You did what ya could on this. I really enjoy your channel too. One of the best!!
Morning Ray. It's just one of those things that defy explanation.
Another great show Ray. Your test drive was a little scary. Wait a minute, I have a knock knock at my door and somebody’s ringing the bell.
I’ve had an exhaust leak at the manifold cause a knock but that’s not what I saw on your video bud. The search continues so May the Swartz be with you 😂
I have a 93 Dodge Dakota that I have replaced the belt tensioner on 2 times. Both times it sounded like a engine rattle on declaration sometimes. So that could have been the noise your customer heard. As for the metal he said he found in the oil? Could be natural on 1st oil change on a remanufactured engine. If it was the 1st one. And not a whole lot.
it was a fun video .easy to follow your work good camera work
Sounds like someone what’s a free engine.
Lift handle to get shifter out of park on cobra thats how on b&m quick silver works
Megashifter too, which is in that, ahem, "Cobra."
Ray, sounds like a day for fishing….
Yes. I have. I replaced the Timing Chain and tensioners. No more ghosts
Morning Ray and family
Ray my 94 4.3 Chevy developed a slight knocking at the low tork like the Ford . I used the broom handle to the ear , nothing from the engine . Sprayed some wd 40 on the back side of each pulley one at a time until the noise went away . Replaced the pulley no more issues .
My 97 Interceptor had the fan shroud in 2 pieces. It was nice being able to remove the top half only, without having to remove the fan.
Not correcting you, trying to assist for future 5.4 belts. You can replace without removing the tensioner. I've done many many of them. After you release the tension, pull it off of the compressor and pull up and will come out. Squeeze the new one through the same way it pulled out, and reinstall on the compressor. Easy money. Hope this helps Ray.👍👍
I feel your pain with the air filter band clamp. What a pain.
Great job
RAY smart move on fan tighten because the guy next to me at Ford dealer just finished a complete front end fix and didnt tighten the fan and it came off when he reved it and it destroyed the shroud fan and radiator and made him shard his pants. expensive teaching moment GO RAY GO
BMW reverse threaded their clutch fans so they tighten while the engine is running
@@lieutenantdan8170this is typical for most manufacturers, but think about it: when the engine spins up, it tightens. But then you lift off the throttle and the engine spins down and it wants to loosen again. Better to just tighten it yourself.
I am still pretty sure it was tensioner bounce. The hi rev low load is a clue that point to tensioner bounce which makes a knocking sound. Ford modular 4.6 and 5.4 with the belt routed that way allows for the tensioner to bounce as the bearing and tensioning spring wear out. As the bearing heats up from friction drag increases on the tensioner. The tensioner spring fatigues and with the drag the tensioner arm starts bouncing from slack to tight making a knocking sound. So replacing the belt idler and tension set probably fixed the problem.
I saw you using TWO hands on that filter band clamp, great work Ray
I agree with John, at my shop (I'm not a tech) I hear negatively all day long. But sometimes you gave to CURSE, to vent. BUT LOVE YOUR PROFESSIONALISM.
Also Lauren is entirely BEAUTIFUL. ❤❤
I love using the air hammer to remove the fan clutch nut. Very fast. Happy Friday from St. Louis!
Ray, I have a 2015 F150 and the issue that the customer described sounds exactly like what was going on with my truck. For me it felt like transmission, but I could see how someone would consider it the engine running rough for a little bit. It generally happened at around 50-55 mph and was more likely when I was feathering the gas to maintain speed going up a hill.
Anyway, the mechanic I go to said he thought it might be torque converter valves or something like that. I had him do a transmission fluid change with a new filter and he added some kind of flutter stop to the ATF. It has not done it since. He said it sounded like a valve was getting stuck half open and closed and it was basically flopping open and closed. Might be worth a consideration.
Your videos are awesome and soooooo relaxing 😂😂......thanks Ray....
Have a nice weekend.
I have replaced the belt on these 5.4's without removing the pulley. Exact same design as what you have in the video, you have to shove the belt above the tensioner wheel down into the compressor (not the whole belt enough to route around the compressor, extra will stick out the other side of the pulley, to route around the rest of the pulleys on the motor) and from there you route the rest, pretty easy honestly
one of ford best and most reliable engine from ford.
you have know idea how I struggled with this fan on my grandfather's astrovan. you made it look so easy. I got out of the industry to early it seams.
Knocking noise was probably the tensioner
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who struggles with that stupid air filter clamp. 😂
I have a Chevy Silverado 1500 4 x 4 when i first got it ,I changed everything on the belts ,got new belts still chirped ,saw a show they said get gates green belts never heard it again yah for the win!!!
Wow, bad day, hopefully will be better soon ❤
Try sticking a stethoscope in the dip stick tube. Listen for a knock. Great video!!
second time around to click the forgotten like button i click the like button when i watch videos for free and subscribe if i regularly watch and throw in a comment thanks for your work rainman
I owned a '99 F150 with a 4.6 Triton in it. It had close to 280,000 miles on it when I sold it and that engine never had any mechanical failures the entire time I owned it. Maybe I just got lucky. More like routine maintenance really does pay off.
I’m still in awe over the manual windows 😱. Gotta love the “Hey let’s keep it the classic look” 🤣
I demonstrate rolling down windows in my technology class and I use a manual window crank hand gesture and noise... "eeh-eeh-eeh-eeh"
It's both amazing how many students get it, and how many don't.
THE COBRA is most likely not stuck in park. Looked like a b&m ratchet style shifter. You pull up on the shifter to release it to reverse and natural then it drops down in drive. You have to have it back in drive to pull it up again to access park.
The belt can be slid under the tensioner without removing it. there is just enough room if you slide it up and under. Done it many a time on both my 4.6 and daughter's 5.4
When you drove past the semi, there was a weird forced perspective thing where the buildings in the background made it look like there were buildings and a garden on the semi trailer.
It looked like a train set
One time, at BAND CLAMP
Re Ray's comment near 17, that sort of thing - considering cost of labor - has a huge impact on repair cost.
Ray I think somebody said it once about the vvt cam gears maybe sticking which they would rattle a little not sure. Have a better day Ray
Garage 54 would be crazy enough to execute the idea.
Funny for the day....
When ever watching other auto channels and their phone rings .. i hear you when you were working at the previous shop and being silly when the phone rang there lol lol
Have the best day
My pet peeve against Ray and some other mechanics is using a chisel to loosen the fan it really screws up the flat, They do make a long handled wrench for that but I use a standard wrench and smack it with a hammer
Use a pipe wrench
Odds are fan is probably never going to be removed again
@@squiggyg.8415 That fan has to be removed every time the belt needs to be changed
It ok
So don't watch
Actually, twist the belt sideways and it will slide behind the tensioner. Done it multiple times in it’s sister engine the 4.6L.
Good day Ray and hi to Dave
Put a vacuum on the crank case (somewhere) and you can take out the drain plug without draining the oil. And maybe the knock is a engine/trans mount? Exhaust rattle?
Ray the way you just described the noise the customer is hearing really sounds like the noise is the evap purge solenoid and the conditions sound right too of high speed and lay off the throttle
It is nice you do those videos, your customers can look to see what you did :-)
Good video. Owner trying his best to get a warranty claim.
Good day Ray
Work on a 2005 honda accord today Everything was so weather rotted every Sensor I touched just wanted to fall apart The breather tube made out of rubber taking it off of the air filter housing literally disintegrated my day was great how's yours 😂😂😂
I hear the knocking noise! Sounds like someone beating on a drum. Around 24:00.
Ray - that's a 4.6 2-valve Triton not a 5.4 Triton 3-valve. I used to own a 04 f150 4.6 2 valve. It was ...not fast. Barely adequate.
It's crazy what noises the idler pulleys can make. My buddy's 03 BMW 7 series sounded terrible until we changed it.
The only knocking sound I've had at least in a 4.6 is the timing chain tensioners with blown out gaskets if theyre the plastic variety, when you crank the vehicle up. It knocks until tensioners fill up with oil. Normal 4.6 issue.
The air hammer fan set is real cheap at harbor freight. And doesn’t leave a gouge in it 😃
I had a 2009 F-150 with the 5.4 that had similar issue. After warmup, I ran the RPM to about 1500, then down to about 1000 and it would have a lifter tick sound. It was the OEM motor and either the phasers or the timing belt tensioner was leaking oil and starving the upper. Engine was replaced...it had 170K on it.
Just a quick idea to try, I used to own a CVPI with a 4.6 and it had identical setup for belt. What I used to do was sneak the "loop" for the A/C compressor thru the top side of the tensioner, then you didn't have to remove the tensioner for belt change.
Dang gravity always gets you!
Really good idea to send an oil sample for analysis.
Put loctite to ccw turning idlers to avoid them coming loose.
I wish I had a Pull N Go near me
Cutting corners again I see. 😂😂