Laurel Canyon Episode 6A RE-EDITED VERSION - "Our House" (Second Half)
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- The is the RE-EDITED VERSION of the second half of the sixth episode of our Laurel Canyon miniseries, by Wolf River Music Television. There were glaring mistakes and omissions that had been made that were really bugging us and needed to be updated. So here it is again, and hopefully improved. Plus, some extra footage at the end regarding Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt, etc.
A Journey Thru History and Song 1965-1974 explores the inner workings of the music scene that seemed to explode out of this area north of Hollywood in the mid-1960's and featured legendary musicians and groups such as: The Byrds, The Mamas and The Papas, Buffalo Springfield, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, CSNY, The Doors, Frank Zappa, Carole King, The Eagles, Gram Parsons, Love, Jackson Browne, The Monkees, etc. plus music industry giants such as David Geffen, Elliot Mintz, Jim Ladd, Ron Stone and Paul Rothchild. See the famous Canyon Country Store, Love Street, the Tom Mix Cabin, the Houdini Estate, and all of the other places made famous by the likes of Jim Morrison, Cass Elliot, John Lennon and others. We'll even touch on some of the darker elements that were lurking within the shadows such as the Manson Family and the inevitable evils of cocaine and heroin and they crept into the scene, causing havoc and destruction. No matter how many times this subject of music coming out of Laurel Canyon has been repeated in other documentaries, there's always something new to learn and discover. The stories are endless and some of it can be surprising and even downright shocking. Please be sure to watch all fifteen episodes. Each one has a different theme and a different set of characters and events.
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For every single tale in the history of Laurel Canyon, hundreds will probably never be told. Such an interesting place and time in our life. I thought of moving to LA in the mid 1960's, but I wasn't quite sure why, at the time. Now I know what I missed out on.
Yes, very much agreed. There were so many details and stories that we had to leave out just for the sake of time. I was up there in that canyon for about 12-14 total days of filming, and it could have ended up three times as much if we had the time for all of it. Thanks for watching!
We can never capture that period again, ever. We're living in the end times now.
Treasured stories to hear by boomers like myself busy living their own lives unfolding & dramatically impacted by the epic soundtracks influenced by these musical genius artists
So many creative and talented people - but Joni was the cream of the crop.
Linda Rondstadt was the queen
Don't knock yourself mate you have done a wonderful job. If you made some mistakes you owned up to them and have now corrected them. That is a sign that you care about what you do and are professional. This has been brilliant from the beginning. 👍👍🇬🇧
Thanks. I tried my best to get everything right, but yeah, there's always something that gets mangled. It's just like information overload, this place and all these people and stories. LOL.
@@memoryfield thankyou for being conscientious. I appreciate that you have integrity and want to be as accurate as you can. Blessings
Hi Laurel Canyon is such a beautiful and cool place to live. I wish I grew up in the 1960’s love the fashion, freedom of expression, and great musicians of all walks of life. Thankyou 👍🏻
I totally agree!
I grew up during that period of time and it is so romanticized these days. It wasn’t at all like it seems maybe for a very few very wealthy people it was the best part of their life but for majority of people living during that time it was a very economically hard for most people. There really wasn’t a middle class. You were either wealthy and you knew who these people were because they weren’t going to Vietnam or the lower class they ended up being drafted and serving. Only the rich got deferments. College was very expensive So if you were a rich kid you had a better opportunity for deferment. And as far as protesters of the war they were mainly rich kids that were never gonna go in the first place. It wasn’t a great period in US history by any means. I guess you had to grow up then to understand this. I believe that foreigners in this country had a better opportunity than Americans during the 60s.
The late 60s in Laurel Canyon was a magical time and place with so much talent and creativity. Then, the snake entered the garden with the Manson family and paradise was lost. Frank Zappa saw it happening and fled with his family before it all fell down. Thanks for the series. Very well done.
Thanks, Thomas. We appreciate your comments and glad that you're here.
EVERY episode is MIND BLOWING!!! GREAT work!!
Thank you so much for your comments and thanks for watching!
I adore Joni Mitchell’s first album. Song to a Seagull and Ladies of the Canyon are my favorites. I know Crosby is problematic but I appreciate that he’s able to acknowledge that she would have made it without him. That’s a surprising humility from someone with such a big ego.
Don’t mind watchin’ any of your videos again…..re-edit away…. Enjoy your work thoroughly…… bless ya real good😊
I appreciate that!
VERY INTERESTING. THANK YOU.
Billy - I watched this whole series last week (I think) including outtakes/analyses videos. I realize now that you filmed it in about 3 months and then posted each chapter in the fall of 2021 and partially 2022. That was a really quick turnaround!!! All that information, film, photos + music is top quality!!! Even a year later you're fact checking and adding material which is above and beyond. I applaud you for your hard work, authenticity, sense of humor and everything. I haven't fact checked this but I'm sure book authors have made more errors than you have and took years to write whatever it was. I don't have citations. Anyway, your series on Laurel Canyon is a top quality permanent stamp in history (in addition to your other music videos). A great big THANK YOU to you and others who helped you (shout out to Juliet)!!! Peace - Rick
Thanks Rick - glad you enjoyed it.
Very kind of you, Rick. We appreciate you and your comments here. Please come back and visit us again!
Kudos on an interesting, and extraordinarily detailed, documentary on my favorite female artist Joni Mitchell. God bless her and her music!
Glad you enjoyed it! We all love Joni over here as well. She seems like she's just gonna keep right on going, all the way to the very end and hopefully that will be many years from now. She's a treasure.
The interconnection of people and events in and around Laurel Canyon during this time makes my head explode! I do not know how you kept yours together creating and documenting this!
Well, it was a lot of work. And we got a few things wrong the first time around, hence the need for the re-edited version of this video and just a handful of others. Hard work but also very fun and enjoyable.
This is so interesting. I totally enjoyed it. You're very good at this. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Billy plz put out more of these series! You are so enjoyable and informative!!
Thank you! The new one actually just started yesterday. Check it out!
@@memoryfield will do!! We have rewatched laurel canyons several times and recommended it to friends!!
LOVE the Jackson Browne ref! and the other additions.
Thanks, man. I wish I had more info to share on him, but he was really just kind of all over the place. Never stayed at one address for very long.
Just watched the whole series. They were great, really enjoyed them all. Don't be too hard on yourself!!
Well, I try not to. But if I'm going to put this out there as a collection of facts I think that I need to do my best to try and get at least 90% of it right, lol. Thanks for watching!
Thanks!
Thank you so incredibly much!
Great video tour - thank you. So right about Joni's Blue Album, a must have - Joni pours out her heart & soul (leaves her transparent). Canadian fan at 16. Saw her first in concert summer of '67, Toronto. Forever a fan of her beautiful melancholy lyrics and haunting melodies. BTW - Joni was born in 1943, Nov. 7
Thank you for your comments and thanks for watching. Glad you found us here. We love Joni and especially her Blue album as well as Court and Spark. Both are fantastic.
October 31, 1981 I was at the Uptown Theater in Chicago at 2 Frank Zappa shows. Zappa always played 4 shows at the Uptown over 2 days for Halloween. I always went to all 4 shows, only 2 repeated same material. This was Steve Vai's first Zappa tour, & when Frank's house burned. New song was "Goblin Girl".
Hob-noblin, Wit de goblin, De Goblin Girl, From da mystery world...
אני. אוהבת כל כך את הסיפורים שלך ואת ההסטוריה המוזיקלית ואת אהבתך (כמוני וכמו הרבה) ליוצרים האלו ולשירים. תודה!!! תענוג גדול!
Youre a perfectionist, Billy. This series is just so excellent. Wish I knew how to get more traffic to your channel. Have sent some along to friends…guess I’ll find a place to post a recommendation on Reddit.
I could watch your programs forever! What a terrific host & narrator , your the BEST Billy! More...MORE!!
Ha ha. Not sure about ALL of that but thank you so much anyway for your kind words. Glad to hear from you again, Danny.
Big fan of this series. You may want to call it "Laurel Canyon...the definitive story". I personally think its way better than all the other stuff floating around which seems to focus just on certain musicians. You give the viewer the "whole enchilada"...with sauce !
Well thanks. But the truth is, it wouldn't matter how long I spent on this topic there will ALWAYS be someone or something that will get left out. There's just way too much to cover here. I'd have to quit my real job and just keep going out there over and over again. LOL.
I had to laugh when I Saw your surname toobad because my maiden surname was twogood I'm seriously not lying 😊
Hello i just want to say thank you thank you so very very much to all the people that made these wonderful magical times a reality in that era and in this area of california thanks for being exactly who and what you guys still are in my heart and mind and will allways be very special songwriters. musicians .and singers and producers etc. Of the very best magical music that the world will ever have THANKS WITH LOVE AND GREATFULLNESS ALSO THANKS TO MY NEW TH-cam PAL WHOM IS THE OWNER OF THIS CHANNEL .PEACE.
Thanks again, Charles. We appreciate all of your comments and glad to hear that you really seem to be enjoying all of these videos about Laurel Canyon. So happy that you found us here! We love this area too and especially all of the timeless and classic music that was written and created here in that magical time period. There might not be another place quite like Laurel Canyon and there might never be another time in history where so many talented people all got together and gave us so much music and art that surely will never be forgotten. We had a lot of fun putting all of this together, so it never really seemed like work at all.
Billy
omg ... Blue is by far a work of art. I applaud David Crosby for mentioning Joni as the best poet as well as songwriter and singer..... which her voice must e ho angels
David Crosby with CSNY era produced beautiful music a great time in history. Crosby prior to his dearh actually did some of his best work. His son he helped conceive had found him . if you can search here is where I heard them play almost jaxzy and lovely. Thank you for your research I was blessed in being anle to see in voncert many you mentioned. My favorite concert was Poco at a NY university- 50 cents to enter everyone stood on seats dancing. No to seeing Joni live .... thank you amazing research. I have more yet yo view
.Our history then was dedicated to being a voice for peace.
Now if only concerts would stop requesting 1000 dollar average tickets id know there were a dew left who remember.
I can’t get enough of this series! I love your storytelling.
Thank you for saying that, Carter. Glad you're here and please come back and visit us anytime!
I am so enjoying these histories of these artists. Thank you. It's very fascinating.
Our pleasure!
Every so often time .space serendipity. and folk magic collide into an endless sea of potential and possibility..Laurel canyon in the late 60s seems to have been the epicentre of creativness and music culture..you series captures it brilliantly ..like a time machine projecting back into the past superb footage and highly articulate commentary..really first class production..you can almost feel cass ellliots presence ..and if you listen very hard...Joni Mitchell strumming away..love and peace from Ireland
… and Graham Nash composing “Our House” at the piano while Joni cuts the flowers in the garden for the vase she bought that day…
I hear you! Awesome place. So much history. I just wish it were a little less crowded with... traffic. So. Many. Cars. LOL. Thanks for watching and also thank you for the nice comments. Please come back and visit us again here!
As a Hollywood liver you might know of Steve Allen. He did what Johnnie Carson did. A variety show on the TV. He had a very young
Frank Zappa on who "played a bicycle with a violin bow". Frank decided to make his niche with the lunatic fringe who were weird but harmless. Back when I thought anything was possible I wrote to his daughter, Diva via her YT where she sold her knitting. I said, "You are pretty." To which she answered, "Thank you." She then refrained from answering anything else I said.
I'm watching all the Episodes again Billy and love going back in time with you all over again. Your take on the musical events and history of this area is captivating. Thank you again.
Welcome back! And thank you again for being here. So glad that you're still finding enjoyment out of this series. That's why it was made. :)
Linda Ronstadt claims to have lived beside Gary Hinman at the time of his murder, she was not home
I’m binging this series & really enjoying it. I’ve learned so much, thanks! My only constructive criticism is with the printed words. I’m having to rewind & pause to read because I want to hear what your saying but also want to read the written stuff. Maybe put the trivia in places without narratives…I’ll most likely never visit Laurel Canyon. So I’m VERY appreciative of your tours! Thanks much!
Interesting note; Cosby, Stills and Nash LP cover in front of the old house was taken with the artists in reverse order from left to right. After they realized the mistake, the couldn't go back to retake it because that house (at 815 Palm Avenue) had been torn down just a couple weeks after the shot was taken.
Actually, it was torn down literally a few hours after that photo was taken. They went back the next day and the entire house was flattened.
So right about needing to have Blue by Joni Mitchell. No matter your music tastes.
Great videos !😎
Glad you like them! Thank you.
I am going to go back and rewatch the edited versions,great effort and very informative far better than any other doc on this fascinating area of L.A.
So glad to hear that. Thank you for watching and for watching again. Much appreciated!
What a beautiful episode!! They just get better and better, you included some amazing history and are doing a stellar job. The Zappa stuff, so funny because the part about scantily clad ladies in Zappa's backyard made me wonder if these young ladies were the GTO's LOL. And the Joni Mitchell with Gram Nash story, makes me also wonder if he just wanted to be around her but was too nervous to tell her that maybe he had feelings for her???? Who knows, I'm such a hopeful romantic cheeseball 😅😅😅. Thank you for another beautiful episode. I'm going to keep going, this is so great!!
Oh, he definitely had feelings for her and no doubt he made them known for sure. Joni seemed like an incredibly intense person, focused on her work, and she was known to be difficult and moody. Graham Nash, according to her, sometimes treated her like he was a "fan" and not really an equal and she said it often made her uncomfortable. But no one would really know all the details of their relationship better than the two of them, so I will just leave it at that. Thanks for watching!
@@memoryfield I agree, we can see he had true feelings for her, it's obvious but we don't know what happened behind closed doors and that's how it should be😊😊, left between them. I've learned that famous people, especially musicians, sometimes just want someone to talk to about normal stuff. No questions to answer or expectations. Their lives are full of fake people so trust is difficult. Thank you again!! This series is different in the best way possible than all the other stuff on TH-cam. You have created a great thing here!!
You are abolutely right about "Blue"
Thanks for saying so. Fantastic album and much loved over here!
Great Great Job!!!! Many thanks for the post!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I worked in Los Angeles and surrounding areas for 2 months years ago all the while I imagined the ghosts of rock stars past haunting these same streets.
Yes, it has a certain feel to it and the weight of some pretty neat history that really wasn't that terribly long ago. Thanks for watching!
Watched your whole series last week, you are the man on this subject . Aloha from Kauai
Thanks so much, David. Not so sure that I'm THE man on the subject but it was a lot of fun to go out and walk around in Laurel Canyon for several days last year. Jealous of you being in Hawaii, LOL.
I love, love, love, 'Free Man in Paris', and 'Raised On Robbery'.
Jone also wrote, 'Woodstock', and I love both versions.
One thing becomes obvious...to be a "Rock Star", it is not enough to be just talented...one must also be considered attractive, beautiful, etc. So many talented people simply cannot make the cut, so to say, because they do not look so good...I also find it interesting, that no mention was made of Joni Mitchell having had a child, "out of wedlock"--at age nineteen...she gave it up for adoption, in order to pursue her career!...However, many years later, she did reunite with her now adult child. I guess that being narcissistic is also a plus, in this type of musical business.
That story is in the previous episode.
At about 18 min 16 sec in.
That was mentioned!
Why mention what is so personal and no one's business?
She wrote a song about it. It's called Little Green. She wanted us to know about it.
Lol, I literally watched that episode last night. Great, compelling series, by the way. Cheers
Cool, thanks!
Holy cow. These videos and stories are really
good, in fact very well done.
Paul Haussler
Huntington Beach, CA
Thanks, Paul. Glad you found us here.
Great vids. Despite being a big fan of CSN/Y since early 70s, lots of info I wasnt aware of! Btw theres a humorous vid of a Nash interview where he tells how he met Cass and Crosby and then later Stills. He met Cass in a recording studio and she took him to meet Crosby. Then at a party at Peter Torks house, Nash asked Crosby about this guy playing the piano and Crosby said it was Stephen Stills and he introduced him. Weeks or months later at a dinner at Joni's house, is when Crosby, Stills and Nash joined their voices together over a song and they knew they had something special and CSN was born. This according to Nash himself.
And it's funny too that each one of the people involved in this story seems to remember the details of the places and the order of events slightly differently. Hard to know who is exactly right, but no matter, the outcome still happened and we're all so happy that they all met and made music together. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for sharing 👍
Thank you too!
Man, I was just thinking about your channel the other day and was wondering if some more interesting histories were coming....and low and behold!!!
Great content as always, couldn't care less if there's the odd glitch here and there, still a damn more factual and watchable than alot of other things so please keep doing them.
Thank you
Thanks again, Joanne. Always nice to hear from you. :)
No worries...and agree that you could do a whole series on the Beatles...phenomenal band.
As far as Zappa all those albums he made were mainly junk
I love the wildlife in the video! Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
Did a stellar job felt like I live in laurel canyon during the hippy years but was only the best drop running down my dads leg born 1970
It's a crazy awesome and cool place to hang out. Couldn't afford to live there, but we can always visit. LOL.
Zappa did once put sand bags on the pedals of a grand piano and recorded conversations on lumpy gravy album...
Yeah, we're starting to think that maybe this is where Crosby got the idea from. He just either didn't do it very well or else it wasn't really suited to Joni's singing voice the same way just talking worked on Zappa's recording. I mean, it only makes sense that Zappa lived just about 100 yards away from Joni and the Lumpy Gravy recordings came out in August of '67 (some of it, anyway) and then re-released again in May of '68. So yeah, same time period, more or less.
I grew up in the sixties l
I loved it I still believe in their ways of life I try to do good by people that in my opinion and to share the love I have become a care giver and I try to share God's love music is one of God's gifts
Looking forward to your next episode but why wouldn’t I, they have all been amazing. You lay the groundwork and I’ve had a great time exploring other avenues of Laurel Canyon and what amazing things happened there. Glad you mentioned Canned Heat at the end of this episode hope you will delve into their time in the Canyon and talk about them being neighbors of Joni’s. I understand she has a caveat that involves her front door and that it can’t be touched due to ashes that are embedded in that door after the Canned Heat house burned down in 1968-69? Keep up the great work. Cheers!!
Yes, right next door to Joni Mitchell. The whole place burned to the ground in 1969 and yet her house wasn't damaged at all. This story is the reason behind the fact that she believes her house is protected by some kind of a higher power. Crazy stuff!
I've been loving these videos. I'm researching LA quite extensively for a project and have just gotten to Laurel Canyon that isn't what I expected. I thought it might be like Grand Canyon or maybe a few shacks with some Eagles or M*ns*n Family. I find its like a town here in England, sprawling and dense. Anyhow I spent my life not hearing Joni Mitchell's Blue so a few year ago I finally got it. I still haven't had time to sit and appreciate it. But now I'm really expecting great things. Thanks!
So glad to hear all of that and I'm glad that you were finally able to get a copy of Blue. You won't be disappointed. And yes, that place is densely packed in there. Small yards, houses close to one another, nowhere to park, traffic, etc. etc. You really have to get way up in there and up on top of Lookout Mtn. to get the feeling of peace and tranquility. Then you just have to hope that a fire doesn't break out because then you're trapped. LOL.
Excellent video !~
Thank you very much!
I worked at the motion picture lab on lookout mt. When joni and the doors were there.
Really loving this! Just finished episode 5. Thank you for documenting this incredible music scene which I deeply love. You should consider doing another series. San Francisco, maybe?
Thanks for your comments, Gary. We've actually just started a new one and it will encompass San Francisco and so much more!
Billy----please---give us whatever you have about Arthur Lee and Love!!!!!
We have a new series coming out in about 2 days. Love is probably about to get their own 20-minute episode all to themselves.
@@memoryfield Can you fly your drone over Arthur Lee's house with the pool half inside and half outside...that was also used in The Trip?
🙌
@@anneraso5621 Haha, no not this time. I don't have any more trips planned for Los Angeles at the moment. Let me ask you this though, because so many people are asking me if that house is even there anymore... Is it the one that has kind of a semi-circular look to it (from overhead) and it's kind of sitting there almost by itself @1885 Blue Heights Drive? Some people have claimed that the house that was in the film has been torn down and the lot was bought up by someone who built a bigger house on two lots.
@@memoryfield Yes, that is the house I am speaking of on Blue Heights Drive. Two years ago, I saw a view from overhead and I am pretty sure that what happened is that the original house was attached to a bigger new house. It is impossible to see from the road and that is why I wanted the drone to be flown over it like you did with the Neil Young house.
Great
EPISODE
Thank you, kind sir.
INTERESTING the house burned down on HALLOWEEN.
thank you for mentioning Poco and showing Richie Furays house as i requested !
Well, it wasn't much but you're welcome. There's about a dozen acts that could have been included but time just ran out for the on-location parts.
I have never understood why Joni Mitchel's Song to a Seagull is so underrated. For decades, I considered it to be, far and away, the best pop album ever conceived, and then came along Tori Amos's Little Earthquakes - another first album many years in the making.
IMHO, these two albums to share the Best Pop Album award, with the Doors first album nipping at their heels. The music on these two albums is boiling over with an originality and a serene beauty on a level with a Chopin Nocturne or anything by Miles Davis.
No arguments from us! It seems that all too often the greatest art gets mostly overlooked, or at least not appreciated in the same time period when it was released. Have a listen to Forever Changes by Love. When that album came out in 1967, it tanked. Now it's in the Smithsonian and regarded as one of the greatest albums ever made.
@@memoryfield Yes of course! I'm very familiar with that album. To say that it was "before it's time" is inaccurate. Pop music never caught on to what he was doing. Jethro Tull's Aqua Lung comes to mind. It stands alone.
37:00 Lol, the term is ‘couch surfer” but we get what you’re saying. ;-)
This series is SO great! Thanks for your wonderful work!
You're very welcome and thank you so much for watching. We appreciate your comments!
David was also involved with a groupie at this time. He left the groupie to be with Joni but soon missed the groupie .
The groupie got in a car accident and David was very upset. Just saying
as far as putting mikes near the piano strings to pick up voices, Zappa did it with Lumpy Gravy.
Very likely that's where Crosby got the idea from. Zappa probably did a better job with it, lol. Didn't seem to work out all that well with Joni's singing voice.
Would love to hear some stories of Peter Tork and his famous House!
I think you are likely your own worst critic, Mr. Bill. You were a little harsh on yourself, your videos are well-made and concise.
I appreciate those comments. But I've also seen enough similar videos, chock full of inconsistent material and sketchy facts, that I wanted to launch a tighter ship out to sea. I keep finding other little messups in a couple of other videos I made and it's just starting to bug me. 🙄
But thanks again for your nice comments!
@@memoryfield My pleasure, sir. You're an original and superlative narrator/storyteller so just keep doing what you're doing and you obviously don't have to compare yourself to others in your particular genre.
I’m on the edge of my seat wondering if Weird Scenes inside Canyon is going to come up.
Not in my series.
@@memoryfield not saying it’s all true but it is kinda mind blowing some of the jobs their parents held. Zappa played with mercury as a kid because his dad brought it home from work. He also had radium shoved up his nose because of sinus issues as a young child. Just more crazy stories on top of other crazy stories.
Billy ,I’m not that interested in this american self importance, most of these pxxxk needed a good kicking,apart from Joni,a true artist ,that’s seems to be what happened to a lot of them,in the end
But your skilled vids got me interested and your an artist yourself in making these.
You can only represent what you believe to be true at the time ,appreciate your integrity in correcting ,
Thanks for reading this
Dennis
Hi Dennis. Very nice comments and much appreciated. Yes, a lot of bad behavior probably went on out there, just like anywhere else, but also a lot of great musical history as well. Joni's story is quite compelling, and so I tried to spend as much time on her as I could. Thanks for watching!
Billy, Thanks for your kind reply.
May I ask you to consider the following,
Who killed JFK,
I think your the man who could get to the bottom of this,
Anyway just an idea,pleased to see your interest in the fab 4,
Best regards D.
@@denniscarvell1828 Ha ha. No, I'm afraid that anyone who pokes around in that topic for too long or too closely has a good chance of accidentally disappearing. I'll stick with music and stuff.
@@memoryfield Might be right about that. Dorothy Kilgallen could've been one such person. Stick with musicians and singers.
New fan of your channel. Thank you for your excellent content. Remembering when I lived in Laurel Canyon. I can almost smell it. There is a lovely scent in the canyon, is it eucalyptus or jasmine? Anyway the memories and history of the music is wonderful.
Thanks for watching! Smelled like eucalyptus me when I was there last summer.
Thanks for this clarification. I thought that the Zappa property was the lot across the street. I just love going to the Canyon, and I do so every time I'm in L.A., which is every 60 says or so.
You bet! For some reason that whole intersection there with the old "Houdini" place throws a lot of people off. So many fires and rebuilds too.
Hey Billy. Fabulous series! A very interesting, almost "throwaway" comment you made around 7:43 that it was in fact The Beatles who first invented folk-rock with the release of Beatles For Sale in Dec 1964 and not The Byrds with their June 1965 album. Very interesting comparison. Maybe content for a future episode...? Go well.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your comments, Larry. This other video might be of interest to you, if that particular comment also piqued your interest... th-cam.com/video/ddxnQ2spqHc/w-d-xo.html
@memoryfield i checked out the whole property about a month ago, the tom mix place, was able to walk right on it and explored, walked up the wooden stairs and seen that theirs a major plumbing leak and waters streaming out the sliding door running towards laurel canyon that log cabin is in real bad shape, what a shame!!!!
To me Abba were the greatest song writers, joni number two, she owns folk music, elo is my favorite because of the strings.
Excellent history, I learned quite a bit. I appreciate all of your time and research. The question I have is if you look from 28:13-28:30, above your head you see something that appears to be a "translucent orb". Is that possibly a drop of moisture that appears, because from 28:31-28:37, it is not visible. Just curious, not making anything "mysterious" about it. Great vlog!!
Just looks like some camera lens glare to me, but you never know. Maybe it's the ghost of Frank Zappa watching over the back gate to the old property. LOL. Thanks for watching!
Joni's first 3 albums were by far her best material... her first possibly being the best of the 3. Her next 2 or 3 albums after that contained a few gems on each. After that, I think she started getting into the jazzy/ bluesy stuff, which didn't grab me in the least. My opinion, of course.
She was a great artist and it seems like she didn't like staying in the same musical space for too long. A lot of great artists are that way and are constantly changing and trying out new styles and genres.
Thanks. I agree with what you said. I know you mentioned how great the "Blue" album was. Seems that many people agree. However, the change in overall style beginning with that album didn't grab me as much as her first 3 albums did. On Blue, Court and Spark, and For the Roses, I really only liked a few songs from each, but I liked them a lot. From what I've said already, you may be able to guess almost precisely which songs those were. But I don't think those 3 albums were nearly as good overall as her first 3 albums. Beginning with her 7th album, she lost me completely. Again, my opinion. She certainly was an immensely talented artist.
@@memoryfieldThank you for putting this series together. Well done and very interesting.
This was awesome. I'd love to hear more about Laurel Canyon.
Seemed like such a great place back then.
What is it like now?
Well, it's a lot more crowded and kind of noisy with all the traffic but still a magical place with a lot of history to be found.
Are there still famous musicians living there. I thought it was great that Joni still owns the house.
I'm sure it hold so many special memories.
Definitely seemed like a magical time for music.
Thanks for your hard work...so interesting.
Awesome hat!! Go Griz!!
Yes, go Griz! Sounds like you must be from Missoula, or else spent a good amount of time there in that awesome little city. We loved it there for 6 years (2000-2006) and maybe retirement plans will be there in the future.
Interesting, because Reprise records WAS Frank Sinatra.He made that company, so maybe Stills did for a reason.
This series is great, I'm really enjoying it. I will put in some minor gripes about this one .... I have an early LP copy of Joni's first album and I STILL think it's cosmic, and I have a HiFi I've been working on for 25 years. You say that her finest work came later, and I love all of her albums through the 70's (Mingus is ace ) , but can you say tracks like 'Song to a Seagull' and 'Dawntreader' are not her best work ? !! Love Crosby's comment that in time she will be seen as the best - I am thinking more and more the same. OK, final gripe ;o) - do all Americans pronounce Graham Nash as 'Gramme Nash' ? ( Keep up the good work .. )
Well, I can only go by what Joni herself feels about her earliest recorded work and that is that she doesn't feel that it's her best. It doesn't mean any of it's bad, per se, but she actually feels her best was the work she was doing in the mid to the late 70's with Jaco and Mingus and she was never really one to look back and be overly sentimental about her early stuff. She was a restless artist who wanted to move ahead while most of her audience just wanted her to stay the way she was in '69, '70, '71... And as for the way that first record sounded, well again, those quotes from her about it weren't my words. Those were her words. And Crosby as well. AC hum, white noise, lack of clarity, sounds like it was under a tupperware bowl, etc. etc. That was all coming straight from them. I can't speak for the majority of Americans, and they're pronunciations of Mr. Nash's first name, because I really don't know all of them. But being from Texas, my best guess is that all of us dumb southern hicks would just call him "Gram" and no one would think twice about it. LOL. Thanks for watching!
I disagree with the previous comment. It would be great if you edited the parts of the series that needed corrections, for musical history aficionados and nerds like me. Your admissions that you made some mistakes and your honesty are deeply appreciated, not only by me but I am sure by everyone else who is enjoying this wonderful series and who will watch the episodes again and again. BTW, I am a New Yorker but have spent a lot of time out in Laurel Canyon. I was a friend of the architectural photographer Julius Shulman who owned one of the great houses there on Woodrow Wilson Drive.
Appreciate the insight and the comments. Thanks. Is the Shulman house the one that is just to the north of the (newer) Zappa house, just kind of tucked in there at the end of that little Cul-de-sac?
@memoryfield I couldn't tell you as I don't remember. He died some years ago and it's been ages since I visited. It was high up there and had a long winding drive up.. a sprawing masterpiece of mid-century modern architecture designed in 1952 by Shulman's friend the great master Raphael Soriano. Sadly the house was sold after Julius passed.
I’m on the edge of my seat wondering if Weird Scenes inside the Canyon is going to be mentioned?
The opening measures of Joni’s song Woodstock are the opening measures of Bad Company’s title song. Has anyone else ever noticed this?
Love Joni Mitchell's first house.
Yes, very charming!
Billy, I have to commend you for your dedication to this project. It is clearly a labor of love for you. Changing gears for a minute, I watched Robert Hendrickson & Laurence Merrick's Oscar nominated documentary Manson (1973) this morning (it's available free on TH-cam). Towards the end, Squeaky Fromme & Sandra Good claim that the Tate-LaBianca murders were carried out as copycat crimes to the murder of Gary Hinman. They were hoping the LAPD would think the same killer who murdered Hinman was still on the loose, killing those at the 2 other places, and then would drop the case against Bobby Beausoliel. While it is a truly idiotic plan (since it took a long time for the LAPD to link all three crimes, even initially having 2 different teams investigate the Tate murders and the LaBianca murders), it sounds like something a career criminal like Manson would hatch in his demented mind. It certainly makes more sense than the Helter Skelter theory or the revenge against Terry Melcher (since it seems clear Manson knew Melcher had moved to Malibu). Also, the fact two of the key conspirators mentioned this in a film fairly contemporaneously with the actual crimes would seem to bolster the claim.
Oh yes,. I'm for sure familiar with this theory and the possibility that it was a major part of their many schemes. And yes, it would seem like a really stupid plan but not far fetched that they would try it anyway. I'm of the mind to think there were at least three, maybe even four possible motives in this crime and all of these converged together in Manson's evil plan and decision to target the house on Cielo Drive.
And thank you for your comments and insight 😊
I agree@@memoryfield
The background music is on point. I'm recalling Cass singing the song....try 2 live me life like that seeing things from both points of view and not b judgmental 🙂
Thank you so much for watching and for your comments and insight, Shelly. All very much appreciated!
I think I've only heard one or two Joni Mitchell songs. I've heard other singer/songwriters say she was a big influence ( eg George Michael I think ). So, in order to remain human, I must buy "Blue". I'm old skool, so it will be on CD. That seems almost more "old skool" than buying it on vinyl ! Also, I'm crushing hard on late-60's Joni Mitchell. She was a looker.
Yes, she was fantastic in so many different ways. I think you will find the album Blue to be very much all that's been said about it. A true classic. Let us know what you think of it.
yeah, what happened to the Zappa programme, couldn't find it, or was it 'buried' under another title?. ok. not released yet.
Zappa didn't strike me as a 'complex character' at all, he just had an amazing clarity of vision , also being so articulate he came across as being so erudite .
Look for the link included at the very end of this video to find the Zappa video, which he shares with Tom Mix and Harry Houdini. It's Episode 6B in the playlist. You may be very right about him, and I probably would not want to have even met him in real life. I'd have been too afraid of him taking me apart for some random reason, but I also feel the same way about Joni Mitchell, Neil Young and Van Morrison. I'd much rather just admire their work and not have to worry about what kind of mood they might be in on the day I met them.
I've seen The Monkees episode where Liberace destroys a piano with a sledge hammer, I didn't know there was one with Zappa doing the same thing. I'm wondering if there has been a mix up.
Zappa destroyed a car in his episode!
Oooh, was that the GTOs (Girls Together Outrageously) swimming around in the Zappas' duck pond, I wonder?
Probably! They all lived in Zappa's basement for about two months until he had some kind of falling out with a couple of them for bringing drugs into the house.
Yeah; I was wondering what happened to it. LOL
The Tom Mix Cabin? Burned down probably by someone cooking meth.
Whqt is that woodem frame attached to the ceiling (above the Morrison picture)? Odd question i know. Great doco,cheers
It's soundproofing that's encased in a wooden frame. This is the room where I mix and master music and I need to keep sound from bouncing off of every wall and the ceiling as well. Thanks for watching!
Good morning, sorry but I can't understand, maybe you can help me? If the cabin burned down in 1981, why are there videos today in which you can see the cabin with the intact lake precisely at 8205 on Lookout Montain Avenue? Can anyone 'help me? Thanks
There were/are two homes on the property. The Tom Mix cabin burned down in 1981, which is the one that Frank Zappa also lived in for a brief time. The other house is known as the "Byrd House", and it's the one you're seeing in photos with a pond in front of it. It's still there.
I've seen pictures of the Log Cabin basement from after the fire - do you know if it's still there? I just drove past and noticed the gates where knocked down...so I took a quick peak around to take some pics. Saw the stone stairs and back where the pools are in front of the guest house... but I didn't see the basement anywhere. I assume they cemented it in at some point but couldn't find any info on it. Might have to go back and investigate more!
It's all still back in there but it's kept locked up behind chained doors.
Thanks for the reply! :) is there a way to private message you? @@memoryfield
How far is this from downtown LA?
I believe Tom Constatine experimented with piano string harmonics with the Grateful Dead. Crosby was connected to the Bay Area scene.
So maybe he heard about it that way?
@@memoryfield or, from the experiments by John Cage.
A quick question, did you mention something about The Farm recording studio in one of these intriguing Laurel Canyon episodes ?
Sorry, no we didn't. The only one that comes to mind with that name is the one that Genesis used to record in, but that's in the UK.
I’ve binge watched the Laurel Canyon series up to part #7, my question is… what’s with all the trash cans on the curb & in the streets?? Did you do all the filming on trash day or do the cans stay out on the curb permanently?? They are in every shot.
Haha. You are quite correct there. What it seemed like to me was that every single square inch of space in that area is at a premium and there just isn't enough room to put those things anywhere else. Some of the driveways aren't even long enough to fit a normal sized car in them without the back end still hanging out into the street.
@@memoryfield I lived in L.A. for 15 years but never made it up to the canyon. Thanks for the explanation. You got a great channel, I’m subscribing.
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She didn't appreciate being "shown off" by Crosby but certainly appreciated his contacts. Never got Joni Mitchell; open tuned guitar with capo installed so minimal guitar skill required and rambling, aimless vocals over the top. Interesting about Crosby's "production techniques" though, just sounds like someone playing at being a producer with no idea what they're doing.