as someone who puts so much effort into making videos with perfect thumbnails, and an overall consistent format, i was wondering wether adding lessons to your sideboard in other colors causing the deck to become become that extra color annoys you as much as if does myself.
@@LegenVD 😂 i had a nagging suspicion you might say something like that. i really hope they add an option to maybe manually change the colors of a deck.
You can cycle curse of silence by attaching it to yourself naming a card you have in hand, playing the card paying the extra cost, and sacing curse to draw a card. 3 mana cycle mode is a very reasonable rate that can be useful in alot of situations.
15:42 I dont think you would need to answer your own curse of surveillance to avoid decking out. I think for "any number of players", you could submit zero players to prevent any card draw if necessary. Anyways pretty neat deck as always!
@@LegenVD Yeah I just meant when there's a "submit 0" button right there every time that you're clicking past. (Would have been very funny if you actually did end up decking because of this in one of the games.)
I'm starting to believe you can make a masterpiece deck with any card you want, LVD. This one looks specially interesting because is quite different of the "metagame decks" in the format. Amazing videos always, thanks for it!
It's why it always makes me sad that everyone sleeps on Blot out the Sky. Also, you can submit 0 for Surveillance so that you don't have to draw anymore.
Blot out the Sky is godawful. Every time you read it, you realise another downside to it. The tokens come in tapped and it doesn't even destroy creatures at 8 mana.
@@r12365 It's not bad in current standard because people are using a lot of treasure tokens. Tapped doesn't matter much as long as you're stabilized and you're attacking next turn with an army of 2/1 flyers.
You could get in 4 Sedgemore Witches and 2 Poppet Stitcher, which makes you nearly allways have chompers while deciding every turn if you want to transform board to leathal or draw or get more chompers or a combination of everything while still having all control elements available. I left 2 Hole, 2 Silence, 3 Surveillance and 3 Leeches and its looking very good so far. Great Deck so far!
Curse of surveilance seems to have a draw-mill deck potential - when you have two spare curses, enchant yourself, add some curses of silence naming cards you don't play and deck the opponent in one turn. Sumbit 0 players for drawing until then, to prevent the opponent from benefitting in the meantime.
It’s kinda messed up, but I sometimes joke to myself that the “MTG Original Decks” channel is where LVD goes to get ripping drunk and just rages at the meta all night lol
I had a hunch that Curse of Silence was going to be an amazing card for control decks, because the meta is so well-defined that we usually can predict our opponents' plays. It certainly gets even better in best of three. About that, aside from adding 7 other cards, would you change anything in you learnboard for BO3? Perhaps tone it down a bit to get more versatility when sideboarding?
When playing Bo3, you gotta drop down to only 3 or 4 learn cards, and use the sideboard for tuning the deck. Environmental Sciences is often good to help get lands early, but maybe only 1 or 2 other cards that you know you'll want at some point. Like Academic Probation, or Confront the Past. Then put the better "situation specific" cards in your sideboard for boarding in between matches. The great thing about the lesson cards is they let you tune the learn-board to help you situationally in Bo1, while there are usually just better options to switch into the deck for Bo3. For instance Containment Breach is really just a worse Broken Wings. So, forget the lesson card and just plan on side-boarding in Broken Wings Against Enchantment/Artifact dependent decks. In other cases, like Simic or Temur, maybe you need to be able to Exile something that you just cant do normally in those colors. So you leave the Introduction to Annihilation in the board, even though Black and White have MANY, MANY better options to exile things, so you would not use that lesson card in Bo3 with Black or White, but maybe you would if you do.
So after watching the first 2 matches, makes me wonder if there aren't some cards that could benefit from discarding or draw. Like wizard class for unlimited hand size and pumping your creatures per draw. Or something that can bring cards back from graveyard, namely lands? Not sure what unlimited mana solves, just seems like there could be value getting what you discard on to the battle field or back.
what kind of sideboard would be good for this deck in best of three? i know it's not the strongest but i really like the archetype and want to try to compete with it. it's the most fun i've had playing standard since doom foretold rotated
Portable Hole is so dead. Even vs aggro it’s not great (Skyclave Apparition). You’re playing Black and white, sub it for Unexpectedly Absent or Bloodchief’s Thirst
Would there ever be a reason to play Starnheim Unleased over Emerias Call? Seems 7mana for two 4/4s but a foretold Starnheim would be 7 *mana for three 4/4s?
It feels like this deck can be a bit high on the mana curve for the cards that really do the work, so it's pretty nice to have the mana option on Emeria.
Curious, let’s say you use curse of leeches on yourself, do you lose one life then gain one life? If so then I bet you could make some gnarly B/W life gain or ajani deck. Edit: also would curse of surveillance be good in a Niv-Mizzet deck? I see that being pretty strong.
Hm, interesting idea. By my reading of the rules I think it would count as a gain life event and a life loss event, yeah. With that said, I would've thought there are simpler ways to trigger life gain every turn; for instance Fountain of Renewal only costs 1 and gives you that life every upkeep. On the other hand I dunno what would do that in standard right now.
I missed it myself at first, but I'm pretty sure Curse of Surveillance's card draw is optional. "Any number of players" can be zero. So it shouldn't lead to self-decking unless you're looking for a creative way to forfeit.
It's funny how bad curse of silence is with these matchups. Every opponent plays "something unexpected" or just jank in other words. And still curse of silence was "unexpectedly" over performing...
A one mana curse would still be good even if it had no other text. Powering up Surveillance is what it’s all about. So if it does anything impactful on top of that it’s a great card.
so curse of salience sucks massive balls, in most of the matches it did nothing, curse of surveillance is great for mill control if you cast it on your self to trick your opponent into drawing cards. curse of leeches are great when you pair it with curse of shaken faith because your opponent can do there best to keep it as day and cast spells and take damage from both of them OR they can let it become night and you get a 4/4 with lifelink. otherwise not that great vs any deck
You can decline to draw with Curse of Surveillance, so that changes my play in a few situations.
it being a may is so busted!
Sounds like the perfect deck to have Triskaidekaphile
Play wizard class in the deck!
as someone who puts so much effort into making videos with perfect thumbnails, and an overall consistent format, i was wondering wether adding lessons to your sideboard in other colors causing the deck to become become that extra color annoys you as much as if does myself.
I dislike it intensely.
@@LegenVD 😂 i had a nagging suspicion you might say something like that. i really hope they add an option to maybe manually change the colors of a deck.
I feel like an easy fix would be making the deck colors based in the lands in the deck
@@skuzzybuzz293 but then the first "add mana of any color" land would make the deck all five colors
@@skuzzybuzz293 plus, if you wanted to splash a color and put a 1-of basic in the deck to fetch with evolving wilds, it ruins the colors.
You can cycle curse of silence by attaching it to yourself naming a card you have in hand, playing the card paying the extra cost, and sacing curse to draw a card. 3 mana cycle mode is a very reasonable rate that can be useful in alot of situations.
Especially good when you have no clue what your opponent is playing.
Useful suggestion!
would be cool to name memory deluge, it should make you look at two more cards as well :)
uh, if that's your play i think you're in a real bad spot.
@@johnlowe1255 3 mana cycle isnt ridiculous really
15:42 I dont think you would need to answer your own curse of surveillance to avoid decking out. I think for "any number of players", you could submit zero players to prevent any card draw if necessary. Anyways pretty neat deck as always!
Good point, used to the Blue Honden I suppose.
The whole video, man. Keeps clicking on himself and worrying about drawing too many cards lol.
@@theadjectiveform You can't click on the opponent tbf.
Really cool deck!!
@@LegenVD Yeah I just meant when there's a "submit 0" button right there every time that you're clicking past.
(Would have been very funny if you actually did end up decking because of this in one of the games.)
I'm starting to believe you can make a masterpiece deck with any card you want, LVD. This one looks specially interesting because is quite different of the "metagame decks" in the format. Amazing videos always, thanks for it!
Glad you liked it!
It's why it always makes me sad that everyone sleeps on Blot out the Sky. Also, you can submit 0 for Surveillance so that you don't have to draw anymore.
Don’t want to kill my own Curses with it.
Blot out the Sky is godawful. Every time you read it, you realise another downside to it. The tokens come in tapped and it doesn't even destroy creatures at 8 mana.
@@r12365 It's not bad in current standard because people are using a lot of treasure tokens. Tapped doesn't matter much as long as you're stabilized and you're attacking next turn with an army of 2/1 flyers.
@@r12365 godawful? it's one of the most useful finishers in a control deck, wtf are you talking about.
@@johnlowe1255 it's only ever good if you're nowhere near dead or in very specific matchups. against your bad matchups the card is useless.
Nice build! Gave me such shrine-y vibes
"If we get multiple curses out, it can *quickly get out of hand*". I see what you did there!
You say you saw "Saw it coming" coming? With vision like that, we need eye tribal now more than ever.
lovely deck, loving all your recent videos keep up the good work
As a newish player to magic I have learned a ton from you, Convertgoblue, and sonio. Thanks for all the vids!
Glad to help!
Thank you for making the cool decks.
Glad you like them!
You could get in 4 Sedgemore Witches and 2 Poppet Stitcher, which makes you nearly allways have chompers while deciding every turn if you want to transform board to leathal or draw or get more chompers or a combination of everything while still having all control elements available. I left 2 Hole, 2 Silence, 3 Surveillance and 3 Leeches and its looking very good so far.
Great Deck so far!
Awesome video as usual, I think Esper is my favourite colour combo!
Finaly someone who build a curse deck to take a look at of how good curses actually are.
the card art for curse of surveillance is horrifying
"eye like it" :D
That was a nice one (both video and ending sentence). GGs
Curse of surveilance seems to have a draw-mill deck potential - when you have two spare curses, enchant yourself, add some curses of silence naming cards you don't play and deck the opponent in one turn. Sumbit 0 players for drawing until then, to prevent the opponent from benefitting in the meantime.
Nice one. I did a Grixxis version and it is pretty brutal. Probably my new favorite control deck.
This deck is super interesting! Very fun video, thanks!
I don't think you can start a game with your opponent and say "Hello!" in good faith with a deck like this in hand xddddd
Thank you so much for this, i've been looking for a deck that I know will make my opponent give a defeated sigh at friday night magic.
Nice video as always, Luca. Keep it up
Ah, an excellent LVD video while I was trying to decide if I was going to build a Lynde, Cheerful Tormentor EDH deck.
Thanks for convincing me!
I probably don't want to see a magic situation that causes LVD to use a curse word.
Man, I wonder what kind of boardstate that would have to be.
It’s kinda messed up, but I sometimes joke to myself that the “MTG Original Decks” channel is where LVD goes to get ripping drunk and just rages at the meta all night lol
@@corpsefoot758 lmao ok then
lol honestly 1st time I've seen the curses being played, well done
24:41
I think this turn would've been prime time for the Emeria's Call + Vanquish the Horde combo you were mentioning
The Angel tokens still die to it, so probably not worth it in the end.
"Just name all the best cards in standard."
*fails to name Minion of the Mighty*
I had a hunch that Curse of Silence was going to be an amazing card for control decks, because the meta is so well-defined that we usually can predict our opponents' plays.
It certainly gets even better in best of three. About that, aside from adding 7 other cards, would you change anything in you learnboard for BO3? Perhaps tone it down a bit to get more versatility when sideboarding?
When playing Bo3, you gotta drop down to only 3 or 4 learn cards, and use the sideboard for tuning the deck. Environmental Sciences is often good to help get lands early, but maybe only 1 or 2 other cards that you know you'll want at some point. Like Academic Probation, or Confront the Past. Then put the better "situation specific" cards in your sideboard for boarding in between matches. The great thing about the lesson cards is they let you tune the learn-board to help you situationally in Bo1, while there are usually just better options to switch into the deck for Bo3. For instance Containment Breach is really just a worse Broken Wings. So, forget the lesson card and just plan on side-boarding in Broken Wings Against Enchantment/Artifact dependent decks. In other cases, like Simic or Temur, maybe you need to be able to Exile something that you just cant do normally in those colors. So you leave the Introduction to Annihilation in the board, even though Black and White have MANY, MANY better options to exile things, so you would not use that lesson card in Bo3 with Black or White, but maybe you would if you do.
So after watching the first 2 matches, makes me wonder if there aren't some cards that could benefit from discarding or draw. Like wizard class for unlimited hand size and pumping your creatures per draw. Or something that can bring cards back from graveyard, namely lands? Not sure what unlimited mana solves, just seems like there could be value getting what you discard on to the battle field or back.
28:50 I'm sorry but how did you know that the opponent had check for traps in hand?? Is the sound out of sync with the video, added later or what?
Looks like something got moved slightly in editing by accident.
@@LegenVD Ok, I thought you had divine powers to foresee the future. Thanks for the video!
28:50 That was quite the early call on Check for Traps, what happened there?
I'd love to see a new iteration of this deck that uses Faithbound Judge as a win condition.
i love when lvd plays control
What about Triskadekaphile in this deck? It adds "win the game if you have 13 cards in hand".
Love your deck. What fo you think for Triskaidekaphile as another win condition for deck with so many crads in hand for curses?
When the curse asks which player you would like to draw a card, can't you submit 0?
Indeed
Should probably run devious coverup in this would be pretty sweet way to cycle your best cards.
I run a deck similar tk this with triskadeckiaphile and graveyard trespasser as an alternate win con
Feels like one or two creature land is good for this deck.
Hi there! Love your videos so much! Why not Starnheim Unleased instead of Emeria? Late game, creates way more value.
Can you create a video playing Curses for commander or historic brawl?
51:32 Obligatory: You saw it coming
I’d buy a shirt from you that said, “Reasonable Hand.”
I will hold you to that 😉
what kind of sideboard would be good for this deck in best of three? i know it's not the strongest but i really like the archetype and want to try to compete with it. it's the most fun i've had playing standard since doom foretold rotated
I have milling anxiety watching this lol
cool, hope u will make some cool spirits bo1 deck, I try to make some but with not good results
I know we all have ptsd from goldspan, but I feel there are early game cards to name. Shambling, deadly dispute, etc.
Better to make expensive cards more difficult to cast, same reasoning as Elite Spellbinder
@@LegenVD I usually try to disrupt their turn or two plays. Easier with full knowledge with elite, more of a shot in the dark with curse.
Portable Hole is so dead. Even vs aggro it’s not great (Skyclave Apparition). You’re playing Black and white, sub it for Unexpectedly Absent or Bloodchief’s Thirst
Would there ever be a reason to play Starnheim Unleased over Emerias Call? Seems 7mana for two 4/4s but a foretold Starnheim would be 7 *mana for three 4/4s?
It feels like this deck can be a bit high on the mana curve for the cards that really do the work, so it's pretty nice to have the mana option on Emeria.
WHAT A FANTASY!!!!
Wouldnt Wizard Class fit like a glove in this one?? or am i missing something?
Discarding to hand size is usually not a concern as you'll be winning already.
There has to be someone out there that Curse of Surveillance's art triggers some sort of phobia to them. I love it but I would understand.
It reminds me of the _Batman Beyond_ intro. But creepier.
Spell binder would be so good with curse of silence
I feel like this is begging to be put in a mill deck. Cursed mill as if we didn't hate I already
You saw it coming!
why no wizards class?
When you cast cram session during the night, you should get only 3 life. ;D
Portable Hole seems like a dead card in most matchups
It’s a great tool vs aggro, deals with class enchantments and even answers the tokens from Wrenn and Seven. Just didn’t line up in some matches today.
@@LegenVD its been countering the new bonesaw massacre pretty well, too.
I have a edh curse deck and it's my favorite
Silencing a Saw It Coming be like: *nah, you really didn't*
can
u make a historic cures deck?
How is oppo playing ilysian caryatid in standard game 1?
It’s in the monogreen starter deck iirc
no mechanic to look at hand and actually use silence ?
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe add a duress or something.
match 2 at around 24:30 you had enough for the combo you said with playing emeria's call then horde if you play a plains first.
Calling it a combo may have been a bit of an exaggeration as the Angels still die.
I would use 3 drop chic to search teleportion circle and then use teleportion circle to Blink her to have an enchantment search engine. 😆
Thats pretty neat
Curious, let’s say you use curse of leeches on yourself, do you lose one life then gain one life? If so then I bet you could make some gnarly B/W life gain or ajani deck.
Edit: also would curse of surveillance be good in a Niv-Mizzet deck? I see that being pretty strong.
Hm, interesting idea. By my reading of the rules I think it would count as a gain life event and a life loss event, yeah. With that said, I would've thought there are simpler ways to trigger life gain every turn; for instance Fountain of Renewal only costs 1 and gives you that life every upkeep. On the other hand I dunno what would do that in standard right now.
@@jerodast you could play leeches on you then curse of silence on you and mill the enemy with curse of surveillance
sad that the curse commander never made it to arena
idk why, but, the curses were really appealing...
So what if you curse yourself and mill opponent by draw? I expect 10% winrate but that 10% would be worth it.
great video
Blue curse doen't force you to draw. You can submit zero
If there were ever a place for Mordenkainen it's here, his dogs would be a 1hko every turn lol.
“I curse you!… I should be in school!”
I missed it myself at first, but I'm pretty sure Curse of Surveillance's card draw is optional. "Any number of players" can be zero. So it shouldn't lead to self-decking unless you're looking for a creative way to forfeit.
This is fun
CURSES to you for not building this deck sooner.
Curses!
Foiled again!
Why does TH-cam want to translate this
@@NStripleseven It's cursed.
Wait can't you just submit 0?
nvm just read your comment.
It's funny how bad curse of silence is with these matchups. Every opponent plays "something unexpected" or just jank in other words.
And still curse of silence was "unexpectedly" over performing...
A one mana curse would still be good even if it had no other text. Powering up Surveillance is what it’s all about. So if it does anything impactful on top of that it’s a great card.
If he was playing in the ranked que it would have been less jank.
so curse of salience sucks massive balls, in most of the matches it did nothing, curse of surveillance is great for mill control if you cast it on your self to trick your opponent into drawing cards. curse of leeches are great when you pair it with curse of shaken faith because your opponent can do there best to keep it as day and cast spells and take damage from both of them OR they can let it become night and you get a 4/4 with lifelink. otherwise not that great vs any deck
Curse of Surveillance is what happens if you touch yourself too much as a teenager
*curses*
Portable hole is just a bad card , idc about early game stuff I would much rather snipe the bigger stuff
Yo
Curse of leeches is pretty good the rest meh... Silence looks to be more a bo3 card
Surveillance is the strongest
1st