I just purchased a Himalayan 450 and would find it hard to justify a Himalayan 650. The 450 rides beautifully and the 650 would have similar appeal. Therefore, I think they would cannibalise each other's market share. An 850 has entirely new appeal and I would find it tempting. A 850 would be all new for Royal Enfield and would have appeal outside India. However, RE is an Indian brand selling just under 1 million units a year, with most sales being the 350's. I think the 850 makes more sense, as it gives greater breadth within the range.
some of us 'loyal' DR650 hounds who appreciate it's relative usefulness and bang for the buck factors - know why a twin crossplane 'version' \ successor of it (since SUZUKI didn't grant us with it's injected successor already) - might become our unicorn.. but unf' as COS said, but in my words: it's less likely to be one that'll pose a threat to TÉNÉRÉ7 and so - it'll probably become an ADV-tourer and not a real ADV\dualsport MC .. and yes, the HMLYN 450 *is* currently the *only* closest replacement for a DR650 .. :/
40 hp for a ~450 lb bike is simply too heavy. I understand that it's an affordable option but if 650/850 can push that hp in that 70-80 range then it would make it really competitive with other mid sized adv like t700, tuareg, transalp. It won't cannibalize any sales because 450 can remain that affordable option.
@@panic_diver different vibe.. water-cooled just have a different character no matter what we'll try, plus the 690 platform is set in too much tighter & stressful tolerances for some of us to be a nearly eternal tractor, not to mention -simple..
@@generaldistrustWell, if you want a carburetor in 2024 then you can still buy a dr650 today. Its a reliable platform for sure. But it's just too outdated for what i like. My husky 701 has been reliable as a horse over 25k+ miles, knock on the wood. I would love a 690/701 competitor from one of these Japanese manufacturers. They are literally losing money every day they don't bring out a lightweight adv do-it-all platform to compete with 690/701. Give me a 330-350 lb bike with fuel injection, 6 speed transmission and I will think about parting ways with my beloved 701. However I am keeping an eye on that rumored ducati 698 enduro.
Guaranteed to be slow and heavy no matter if a 650 or 850. It’ll be an ADV/tourer good for gravel roads at best. I have an Interceptor 650 that I converted to a Scrambler, it’s a smooth, comfortable bike capable of doing Hwy speeds with ease. I managed to strip 30 pounds off this bike but it’s still slow and heavy and would suck riding anything more demanding than a gravel road. Still, I’m glad to see the RE Scrambler.
@@deltabluesdavidraye The short suspension travel is my limitation. Slow gravel roads are fine. Anything more demanding I use my Husqvarna 701. No regrets building the scrambler as I knew what to expect at the start.
I just rode the 650 continental at adv fest in south dakota and found the powertrain smooth and easy to ride and the model with the s&s slip on exhaust to be good sounding. the dealer network in the minnesota usa is extensive and these bikes are definitely worth a test ride and treated as a viable option for the mid wt market. royal enfield is quickly becoming a great manufacturer.
There’s an ass for every seat. I like all bikes. It will be interesting. What a great time to be alive with all the choices for us lucky few. Thanks for the video.
With how heavy theyve made the 450, cant imagine riding a 650 or 850 from them, especially with a kove 800x available. They need to totally retool, redesign and rethink to compete with kove, just like everyone else.
Having a bigger engine also brings more vibration. There's no way to get away from vibration with an 850cc twin, so it would be a lot smoother to stick with a 650cc engine. You can't necessarily use an 850cc engine on dirt trails, and Royal Enfield is known for having slightly smaller, lighter engines, that are very smooth.
@@Futuremodi no one is putting on a centre stand to ride across the desert or ride trails. Touring bike stuff. However yes, subtracting out the weight of those, the curb weight of the bike is significantly lighter. A while back i saw a video of an indian guy taking all the ‘free parts’ off his himalyan to save weight. i remember it was significant but not enough that i was like wow the himalyan is a ‘light’ bike. Def not a kove ‘wow’ factor.
A larger RE would be a fine touring bike for most people but Im sure Chris birch, pol tarres, brake magazine and other top riders would take it thru rock fields up steep hills, down technical singletrack and hit the occasional back flip on a jump
@@Weltbummler23 with 164 kg dry weight and at most 175kg curb weight, its pretty decent weight for its size. Kobe is good rally but without any protection the plastic on it will break if you ever drop it, adventure bikes needs to be able to take up abuse and need those crash guards and other things, like those relatively heavy mirrors, those mirrors are not getting flimsy during highway speeds.
@@farracuda not really, but you know travellers have mor luggage than sense sometimes. And adv riders tend to carry a little more weight themselves. 2 80kg riders + luggage starts to creep in the kilos.
I want a bigger Himalayan but still with a decent clearance height. I also love the design language used on the Himalayan 450, it's quite a unique and slender shape compared to most other adventure bikes on the market.
A Classic, Scrambler and Himmy is in the works with the 650 engine as spy shots of the three bikes have been going around. Royal Enfield is one busy bee.
FYI @chroniclesofsolid At 1:18, the caption should be "Dual Front Discs" (not Dics). (My mom was an English teacher. 'Nuff said.) Love your content. Cheers! 🍻
I don't think they would release a new Himalayan 2 years after their other "new Himalayan 450". It would make sense for RE to aim this as a touring or soft enduro model based on the 650 twin. They already have a more offroad version with the 450. They've already said in the past that they don't see a big Himalayan twin, so this will probably be a travel bike with some other name.
I'm waiting for the 450 to be released in Canada. I've already put down a deposit. The idea of a larger capacity Himalayan is interesting, but I want more off-road capability, so I'm still excited about getting my 450.
the latest himalayen has a new water cooled engine, nothing like the generation before this, so are we looking at a new engine for the 650 / 850, or do you think they will use one of the engines from their current 650s
im still upset they ruined the aesthetic of the himilayan. they literally just needed to upgrade the engine and maybe a bit of ergos cause they had a beautiful bike with the original himilayan.
Isn't it odd that every single person asks for a "round headlight" or even better "dual round headlights." And they keep giving people squares, triangles, and wedges, as though they (robotic engineers that have no Human emotion) have never watched a single TH-cam video since TH-cam was invented.
@@chroniclesofsolid Yeah, that's correct. I've mates who are hard core HD owners and own pan americas, etc. This does not faze them but irks me to the core. How do you reckon consumers should react? Thanks.
Consumers should act the way they always have and vote with their wallets according to their own beliefs. All I will say is that I firmly believe in a meritocracy.
I've had 3 bikes with adjustable suspension. I played with the settings and settled on the defaults, so might have well been non-adjustable in the first place!
as I commented on another comment: some of us 'loyal' DR650 hounds who appreciate it's relative usefulness and bang for the buck factors - know why a twin crossplane 'version' \ successor of it (since SUZUKI didn't grant us with it's injected successor already) - might become our unicorn or the 'closest' twin *upgrade* to it .. but unf' as COS said, just in my words: it's less likely to be one that'll be *that thing* or pose a threat to TÉNÉRÉ7 and it'll probably become an ADV-tourer and not a real twin ADV\dualsport MC .. and yes, the HMLYN 450 *is* currently the *only* closest replacement for a DR650 .. :/
Quite simply, Japanese manufacturers need to build parallel twin Enduro bikes again, as Honda did in the early 1970's with the SL350cc twin in 1971. The big single cylinder engines are obsolete now, and they need to give consumers a more exciting modern paralell twin engine with the same extremely poor chassis, and antique styling around it. If they try to compete directly with the T7 Yamaha, then it's just a T7. They need a DR650 budget bike with a parallel twin, or a KLR650 twin with the Versys 650 motor. The fact that they aren't being made is unacceptable.
@@starseeddeluxe the CL-X 700 ADV is quite that thing with a 180° crankshaft engine just like Kaw'i 650.. if it was a 270° -that would've been my ride already for at least a year now
@@starseeddeluxe - Somebody needs to explain to KTM and Ducati that single-cylinder engines are obsolete. That new Ducati 698 Supemoto is a beast. I can’t wait to see the enduro/dual sport iteration of that platform come out. And I’d sure like to see the Japanese get in on the act. I’ve been riding Japanese big singles since I was a wee lad, from my Yammie XT500 back in the day to the good ol’ DR650 bush pig I ride now. Long live BRAAAP!😃
I have a gt 650 and recently test rode the Himalayan 450, much to my dismay - gearing was horrible compared to my 650 - I would have bought it if it had the character or gearing of the 650 - so much of a better bike the the UK market
The points that are in favour of 850 - twin discs upfront indicating more stopping power for a more powerful engine. 450 already does similar performance to 650, it’s unrefined sure but in terms of performance not that far off from 650, so doesn’t make much sense to have a 450 and a 650 himalayan.
I like their new 450. But still not a real big fan if their bikes. Just not my thing. Quality is good. And their bikes seem rock "SOLID"... Its always a good thing when any new adventure bikes or dual sports are offered. Would love to see a 450-500 built for the western market....meaning the USA. Cause i know a 50 to 60hp 450-500cc engine is easily doable. Thats my golden goose. Aka unicorn. But for the price, still waiting for the CFMoto to get here. Thanks for the info. I do belive you are right. Looks 19 inch, also the tire is a street tire as well.
I kinda disagree with you on this one. A 650 Himalayan is a bike that makes no sense for them to make. They would be only poaching sales from their own line up most likely people that would have bought an interceptor or one of the other 650 models might go for a Himalayan 650 instead. The added cost of making more models off the same platform doesnt equate to increased sales and profits and would not be a smart business move. An 850 or even 750 on the other hand might offer enough significant difference to draw in new customers and offer a bigger performance difference from the 450 sherpa engine and other 650s to not rob sales from their own line up. The reality is its unlikely to ever be a true offroad bike. Realistically the majority of riders that buy larger capacity adventure style bikes never see much more than a gravel road and some grass in a camp ground. Almost any motorcycle can handle that much anyway so it doesnt need to be. It just needs to look good sound and offer good value for money and people will be drawn to it.
i guess it should be 750 or 850 CC only, current 450 himalayan ADV is getting 40bhp , 650 will.get only 46bhp as per their previous model. so suspecting it could be a 750/850
If its a 650 then its damn shame. I need to upgrade from my RE 650 to bigger one in an year or two. If they dont come out with a 750+ engine then im going to switch to Triumph. Didn't Autocar had an article saying RE was developing a bigger engine, what happened to that?
i'm just guessing but if they are pulling a typical corporate r/d budget. then the 450 took most of it. it was a complete rework and given how quickly the leaks of the 650 version came out (also going off their pattern of stuffing the 650 twin into everything eventually. ) i don't believe they would have researched another brand new engine . you hit the nail on the head by speaking about the profits. an 850 would be heavenly but that would be a gamble on top of a gamble. if the 450 sherpa thumper had flunked out then going through with the 850 would have been a double loss. however simply ensuring that the 450's frame was at least scalable to their already proven 650 is a much better plan. that said I also will use the immediate stats of the bear 650 that has hit the market. 48 bhp and they admitted that it had more but they had to detune the bike for the European market. the 450 has 40 and now for a bit more you can get 80 more horses and a bit more torque. it will be the 650 and it will be an adventurer beast. i can't wait.
That's definitely a 650 engine no doubt because they have something called royal Enfield family tree chart where they have mentioned this bike already but i don't know what the name might be
I don't think a 40-50 hp 650cc bike will work in the US market given that the new 450 Himalayan at 40 hp. In the USA, 65 hp should be the goal to be competitive.
I get more of a Guerrilla feel over the bike than a Himalayan. Any one else that got that feeling?? And when it comes to the cc i think that it will be a 650 because it's loks like the 650 RE already have and i think that if/when they are releasing a 850cc or a new 650 it will be watercold now that they have started whit watercold engines, BUT they will still have aircold engines because of the history and that they are goog at those engines. Who knows in a couple of years you can choose between air or watercold engine when you order a new RE first model then what engine.
I don’t think it makes any sense with 650 when they have a 450. Saying they have a 450 is not really true either because I can’t even get that out to the United States yet.
Pretty sure its a tourer.... That is definitely a 19 inch wheel.. Plus it doesnt have to be a 850... Many people think a 650 Himalayan is too close the to 450 in terms of power output... But its not.. The 450 has weaker low end torque... The 650 has way higher low end torque so they would totally fit into two separate categories for people to choose from... A heavy torqy 650 tourer to carry a lot of shit and tour paved roads.... Or a lighter more nimble, and revy offroad capable 450 ...
Mmm. The new one is even cooler actually. A great bike. And the interceptor has one of the coolest motors of the last decade. If they increase the piston travel we can have an interesting bike.
i hope to hell this comes soon ive been wanting something like the KLR 650 but with abit more highway legs for a while at a good price and i think this is perfect for what im after
It's funny how everyone just forgets a bike that's not the "latest thing". Suzuki makes a 650 V twin all road tourer that makes more power than an 850 RE will do and is available detuned for that licence category. It's cheap and will run with little maintenance for 600,000 km. If you want to recapture someone else's youth and ride a replica of a 1960's British 650, then an RE makes some kind of sense. (I say someone else's youth because the people who rode newish 650 British twins in their youth are all 80+ years old now) If you want a capable all road tourer then RE really doesn't make sense. You want something like a V-Strom 650 that you know will just start when you push the button, every time, for decades. Not some weird bonding experience that involves taking your bike apart on the side of the road and whacking parts with a rock to unseize them.
@@deltabluesdavidraye I've ridden in a group of 10 RE and we had two full time mechanics, two spare bikes and even so sometimes people had to ride in the bus because there were not enough working bikes. In 2000 km of riding I had one stuck valve that disabled the bike I was riding, and the guy I went with had the piston break in two. All the bikes were quite low mileage by our standards. We both ride V-Strom 650s at home, and in a combined 120,000 km, much of it on rough dirt roads, neither of us have had any problems. There's a guy on the Stormtroopers forum with 425,000 miles (just under 700,000 km) on his who has never opened the engine of his Strom.
@@gasdive well they're known for not being as reliable as the newer RE's. Although RE is still not as good as any Japanese manufacturer in terms of reliability imo
I just purchased a Himalayan 450 and would find it hard to justify a Himalayan 650. The 450 rides beautifully and the 650 would have similar appeal. Therefore, I think they would cannibalise each other's market share. An 850 has entirely new appeal and I would find it tempting. A 850 would be all new for Royal Enfield and would have appeal outside India. However, RE is an Indian brand selling just under 1 million units a year, with most sales being the 350's. I think the 850 makes more sense, as it gives greater breadth within the range.
some of us 'loyal' DR650 hounds who appreciate it's relative usefulness and bang for the buck factors - know why a twin crossplane 'version' \ successor of it (since SUZUKI didn't grant us with it's injected successor already) - might become our unicorn.. but unf' as COS said, but in my words: it's less likely to be one that'll pose a threat to TÉNÉRÉ7 and so - it'll probably become an ADV-tourer and not a real ADV\dualsport MC .. and yes, the HMLYN 450 *is* currently the *only* closest replacement for a DR650 .. :/
40 hp for a ~450 lb bike is simply too heavy. I understand that it's an affordable option but if 650/850 can push that hp in that 70-80 range then it would make it really competitive with other mid sized adv like t700, tuareg, transalp. It won't cannibalize any sales because 450 can remain that affordable option.
@@generaldistrustclosest dr650 replacement is still the 690/701 platform from ktm/husky
@@panic_diver different vibe.. water-cooled just have a different character no matter what we'll try, plus the 690 platform is set in too much tighter & stressful tolerances for some of us to be a nearly eternal tractor, not to mention -simple..
@@generaldistrustWell, if you want a carburetor in 2024 then you can still buy a dr650 today. Its a reliable platform for sure. But it's just too outdated for what i like. My husky 701 has been reliable as a horse over 25k+ miles, knock on the wood.
I would love a 690/701 competitor from one of these Japanese manufacturers. They are literally losing money every day they don't bring out a lightweight adv do-it-all platform to compete with 690/701. Give me a 330-350 lb bike with fuel injection, 6 speed transmission and I will think about parting ways with my beloved 701. However I am keeping an eye on that rumored ducati 698 enduro.
The adjustable suspension might only be there for prototype development, to decide on spring rates, dealing etc
Guaranteed to be slow and heavy no matter if a 650 or 850. It’ll be an ADV/tourer good for gravel roads at best. I have an Interceptor 650 that I converted to a Scrambler, it’s a smooth, comfortable bike capable of doing Hwy speeds with ease. I managed to strip 30 pounds off this bike but it’s still slow and heavy and would suck riding anything more demanding than a gravel road. Still, I’m glad to see the RE Scrambler.
My Scrambled interceptor does great as a mild adv bike.Better than a lot of midsized adv bikes billed as being competent on trails.
@@deltabluesdavidraye The short suspension travel is my limitation. Slow gravel roads are fine. Anything more demanding I use my Husqvarna 701. No regrets building the scrambler as I knew what to expect at the start.
@@BlackdogADV Slow down and all that extra suspension isn't so neccesary
I just rode the 650 continental at adv fest in south dakota and found the powertrain smooth and easy to ride and the model with the s&s slip on exhaust to be good sounding. the dealer network in the minnesota usa is extensive and these bikes are definitely worth a test ride and treated as a viable option for the mid wt market. royal enfield is quickly becoming a great manufacturer.
Why would they bring out an air cooled 650 with near enough the same power as the liquid filled 450? Surely an 850
Or a Sherpa 650, not the actual 650 engine used on the super meteor.
@@cmaggiolo from the spy shots its the 650cc engine, most likely bored to 850cc.
There’s an ass for every seat. I like all bikes. It will be interesting. What a great time to be alive with all the choices for us lucky few. Thanks for the video.
With how heavy theyve made the 450, cant imagine riding a 650 or 850 from them, especially with a kove 800x available. They need to totally retool, redesign and rethink to compete with kove, just like everyone else.
Having a bigger engine also brings more vibration. There's no way to get away from vibration with an 850cc twin, so it would be a lot smoother to stick with a 650cc engine. You can't necessarily use an 850cc engine on dirt trails, and Royal Enfield is known for having slightly smaller, lighter engines, that are very smooth.
Or go plastic, remove every accessory they give us free of cost that other manufacturers charge us including centre stand, crash bars etc.
@@Futuremodi no one is putting on a centre stand to ride across the desert or ride trails. Touring bike stuff. However yes, subtracting out the weight of those, the curb weight of the bike is significantly lighter.
A while back i saw a video of an indian guy taking all the ‘free parts’ off his himalyan to save weight. i remember it was significant but not enough that i was like wow the himalyan is a ‘light’ bike. Def not a kove ‘wow’ factor.
A larger RE would be a fine touring bike for most people but Im sure Chris birch, pol tarres, brake magazine and other top riders would take it thru rock fields up steep hills, down technical singletrack and hit the occasional back flip on a jump
@@Weltbummler23 with 164 kg dry weight and at most 175kg curb weight, its pretty decent weight for its size.
Kobe is good rally but without any protection the plastic on it will break if you ever drop it, adventure bikes needs to be able to take up abuse and need those crash guards and other things, like those relatively heavy mirrors, those mirrors are not getting flimsy during highway speeds.
I'm suspecting it's a new 850cc engine Judging by the dual front disc and the recent custom 850 rally bike that they showcased. Fingers crossed.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the 850 is a liquid cooled engine based on a twin cylinder version of the 450.
Nah the engine was designed to be enlarged to 865 .
Just wondering why you would put dual disks on the 650, does it need it? It would be extra weight for something that hasn’t been required so far
Luggage
@@sk8lucas An Interceptor with a 60kg pillion doesn't need dual disk but 25kg of luggage does, would you tow a small trailer 😄
@@farracuda not really, but you know travellers have mor luggage than sense sometimes.
And adv riders tend to carry a little more weight themselves.
2 80kg riders + luggage starts to creep in the kilos.
There are a lot of purchases of the 650 upgraded to the 850 with the kit supplied in Hinckley, Britain. They are one beast. I'm doing the same.
I want a bigger Himalayan but still with a decent clearance height. I also love the design language used on the Himalayan 450, it's quite a unique and slender shape compared to most other adventure bikes on the market.
Royal Enfield is leaving no motorcycle category untapped!
If RE creates an 850ccm motor, they should be put it in a new Meteor Cruiser
If they do, I’ll be rushing out to grab one 😎
I had a 1982 Triumph Tiger Trail so I find news of a 650 Himalayan very interesting.
82 TR7T best of breed !
A Classic, Scrambler and Himmy is in the works with the 650 engine as spy shots of the three bikes have been going around. Royal Enfield is one busy bee.
FYI @chroniclesofsolid At 1:18, the caption should be "Dual Front Discs" (not Dics). (My mom was an English teacher. 'Nuff said.) Love your content. Cheers! 🍻
Dam, fat fingered the keyboard again 😅
So a 7ish increase in hp why buy this over the 450? Now 20ish hp increase would be a little more exciting.
Because a twin is smoother than a single. And the sound!
I don't think they would release a new Himalayan 2 years after their other "new Himalayan 450". It would make sense for RE to aim this as a touring or soft enduro model based on the 650 twin. They already have a more offroad version with the 450. They've already said in the past that they don't see a big Himalayan twin, so this will probably be a travel bike with some other name.
I'm waiting for the 450 to be released in Canada. I've already put down a deposit. The idea of a larger capacity Himalayan is interesting, but I want more off-road capability, so I'm still excited about getting my 450.
Congrats on the 450. Looking forward to riding one myself. Definitely the better option for the dirt 👍
RE produces simple, indian quality motorcycles. Mothing to be excited about.
the latest himalayen has a new water cooled engine, nothing like the generation before this, so are we looking at a new engine for the 650 / 850, or do you think they will use one of the engines from their current 650s
im still upset they ruined the aesthetic of the himilayan. they literally just needed to upgrade the engine and maybe a bit of ergos cause they had a beautiful bike with the original himilayan.
From the prototype you showed on a previous video, It seems like they can go for a more "mad maxy" looking bike, like Gregor Halenda's custom BMW
Isn't it odd that every single person asks for a "round headlight" or even better "dual round headlights." And they keep giving people squares, triangles, and wedges, as though they (robotic engineers that have no Human emotion) have never watched a single TH-cam video since TH-cam was invented.
Good vid. They will jump in with proven product. later bigger.
Will you be reviewing the CFMoto MT450?
Yep, I was supposed to ride it last week but my kid brought the plague back from daycare 😭 once I’m better I’ll be reviewing it 👍
@@chroniclesofsolid Daycare is a petri dish with 20 little legs . You can quote me.
I'd been looking forward to the fabled "650 Classic", but it seems to have disappeared from the rumour mill in recent months.
Man, they would print money with that bike and a lighter 650 himalayan.
Cool!! But I'm already waitng for my brand new Ducati Desert X RALLY!! WOOW! what a finantial effort ! Ányway , it worth it!
Hi, you know we in WA & greater Oz enjoy and support your vlogs. What is your take on Robby Starbucks expose on the motor Co.?
I am not familiar with who that is but I had a quick google and are you talking about the DEI/HD article?
@@chroniclesofsolid Yeah, that's correct. I've mates who are hard core HD owners and own pan americas, etc. This does not faze them but irks me to the core. How do you reckon consumers should react? Thanks.
Consumers should act the way they always have and vote with their wallets according to their own beliefs. All I will say is that I firmly believe in a meritocracy.
I just want a 400 tirumph tiger
This would be so good!
I've had 3 bikes with adjustable suspension. I played with the settings and settled on the defaults, so might have well been non-adjustable in the first place!
as I commented on another comment:
some of us 'loyal' DR650 hounds who appreciate it's relative usefulness and bang for the buck factors - know why a twin crossplane 'version' \ successor of it (since SUZUKI didn't grant us with it's injected successor already) - might become our unicorn or the 'closest' twin *upgrade* to it .. but unf' as COS said, just in my words: it's less likely to be one that'll be *that thing* or pose a threat to TÉNÉRÉ7 and it'll probably become an ADV-tourer and not a real twin ADV\dualsport MC .. and yes, the HMLYN 450 *is* currently the *only* closest replacement for a DR650 .. :/
Quite simply, Japanese manufacturers need to build parallel twin Enduro bikes again, as Honda did in the early 1970's with the SL350cc twin in 1971. The big single cylinder engines are obsolete now, and they need to give consumers a more exciting modern paralell twin engine with the same extremely poor chassis, and antique styling around it. If they try to compete directly with the T7 Yamaha, then it's just a T7. They need a DR650 budget bike with a parallel twin, or a KLR650 twin with the Versys 650 motor. The fact that they aren't being made is unacceptable.
@@starseeddeluxe the CL-X 700 ADV is quite that thing with a 180° crankshaft engine just like Kaw'i 650.. if it was a 270° -that would've been my ride already for at least a year now
@@starseeddeluxe - Somebody needs to explain to KTM and Ducati that single-cylinder engines are obsolete. That new Ducati 698 Supemoto is a beast. I can’t wait to see the enduro/dual sport iteration of that platform come out. And I’d sure like to see the Japanese get in on the act. I’ve been riding Japanese big singles since I was a wee lad, from my Yammie XT500 back in the day to the good ol’ DR650 bush pig I ride now. Long live BRAAAP!😃
Honestly if it's the engine with the same power figures and without any decent weight savings, I'm not sure this would be a good value proposition.
Got a KTM 640 vibe to it, love it but I know that thing is going to be heavy in RE fashion. Stiff competition with the Kove 800.
We want a 850 cc royal Enfield ia there any information regarding the launch of kx 838 ????
I think RE should have done a scrambler style 2/3 years ago based on the British makes 😊
I have a gt 650 and recently test rode the Himalayan 450, much to my dismay - gearing was horrible compared to my 650 - I would have bought it if it had the character or gearing of the 650 - so much of a better bike the the UK market
RE desperately need a more powerful Hunter…not another tallrounder
Acc to u what is the difference b/w hunter and gurreila.
The points that are in favour of 850 - twin discs upfront indicating more stopping power for a more powerful engine. 450 already does similar performance to 650, it’s unrefined sure but in terms of performance not that far off from 650, so doesn’t make much sense to have a 450 and a 650 himalayan.
TCS and Cruise control capable?
47 hp doesn't need TCS and a cramp buster for cruise .
It's impossible to put a dual disc brakes on front without raising up the power/torque output of th engine.
But it's a tourer, so you'd be carrying extra weight with you. Maybe that's why they gave better braking?
@@adityan3208 More power needs good brakes.
The market is for smaller machines, not bigger. They may test while they see how the market goes.
I like their new 450. But still not a real big fan if their bikes. Just not my thing. Quality is good. And their bikes seem rock "SOLID"... Its always a good thing when any new adventure bikes or dual sports are offered. Would love to see a 450-500 built for the western market....meaning the USA. Cause i know a 50 to 60hp 450-500cc engine is easily doable. Thats my golden goose. Aka unicorn. But for the price, still waiting for the CFMoto to get here. Thanks for the info. I do belive you are right. Looks 19 inch, also the tire is a street tire as well.
I think a lot of people would line up for the bike you described 😎
I kinda disagree with you on this one. A 650 Himalayan is a bike that makes no sense for them to make. They would be only poaching sales from their own line up most likely people that would have bought an interceptor or one of the other 650 models might go for a Himalayan 650 instead. The added cost of making more models off the same platform doesnt equate to increased sales and profits and would not be a smart business move. An 850 or even 750 on the other hand might offer enough significant difference to draw in new customers and offer a bigger performance difference from the 450 sherpa engine and other 650s to not rob sales from their own line up. The reality is its unlikely to ever be a true offroad bike. Realistically the majority of riders that buy larger capacity adventure style bikes never see much more than a gravel road and some grass in a camp ground. Almost any motorcycle can handle that much anyway so it doesnt need to be. It just needs to look good sound and offer good value for money and people will be drawn to it.
A 900 cc twin 450 Himalayan a bit of a 700 Tenere to be a price conscious but serious bike maybe a Paris Dakar contender
i guess it should be 750 or 850 CC only, current 450 himalayan ADV is getting 40bhp , 650 will.get only 46bhp as per their previous model. so suspecting it could be a 750/850
If its a 650 then its damn shame. I need to upgrade from my RE 650 to bigger one in an year or two. If they dont come out with a 750+ engine then im going to switch to Triumph.
Didn't Autocar had an article saying RE was developing a bigger engine, what happened to that?
If a 650 is the solution, what was the problem?
Cool. The cling-film (ceran?) wrapped fairing should make replacement/repair cheap. 😂
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i'm just guessing but if they are pulling a typical corporate r/d budget. then the 450 took most of it. it was a complete rework and given how quickly the leaks of the 650 version came out (also going off their pattern of stuffing the 650 twin into everything eventually. ) i don't believe they would have researched another brand new engine . you hit the nail on the head by speaking about the profits. an 850 would be heavenly but that would be a gamble on top of a gamble. if the 450 sherpa thumper had flunked out then going through with the 850 would have been a double loss. however simply ensuring that the 450's frame was at least scalable to their already proven 650 is a much better plan.
that said I also will use the immediate stats of the bear 650 that has hit the market. 48 bhp and they admitted that it had more but they had to detune the bike for the European market. the 450 has 40 and now for a bit more you can get 80 more horses and a bit more torque. it will be the 650 and it will be an adventurer beast. i can't wait.
Even at 850, the meteor 650 is 530 lbs. so this bike will probably be around that weight if not a little more.
That's definitely a 650 engine no doubt because they have something called royal Enfield family tree chart where they have mentioned this bike already but i don't know what the name might be
They build the R12 ninet before the R1250. Maybe no more sense to go retro above 450. They may make something else more futuro from a 452.
I don't think a 40-50 hp 650cc bike will work in the US market given that the new 450 Himalayan at 40 hp. In the USA, 65 hp should be the goal to be competitive.
I get more of a Guerrilla feel over the bike than a Himalayan. Any one else that got that feeling??
And when it comes to the cc i think that it will be a 650 because it's loks like the 650 RE already have and i think that if/when they are releasing a 850cc or a new 650 it will be watercold now that they have started whit watercold engines, BUT they will still have aircold engines because of the history and that they are goog at those engines. Who knows in a couple of years you can choose between air or watercold engine when you order a new RE first model then what engine.
For me if you want a light weight off road adventure bike with decent power buy a AJP PR7 of build up a 690/701 to similar specs to the AJP.
650 himalayan ✌️ I saw this on the road yesterday
I don’t think it makes any sense with 650 when they have a 450. Saying they have a 450 is not really true either because I can’t even get that out to the United States yet.
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I’d love them to make a 125 Himalayan, but to keep it 110kg max
Water cooled 20 hp 125cc ?
@@eflanagan1921 even just an air cooled 12bhp with the Himalayan styling 👍
Pretty sure its a tourer.... That is definitely a 19 inch wheel.. Plus it doesnt have to be a 850... Many people think a 650 Himalayan is too close the to 450 in terms of power output... But its not.. The 450 has weaker low end torque... The 650 has way higher low end torque so they would totally fit into two separate categories for people to choose from... A heavy torqy 650 tourer to carry a lot of shit and tour paved roads.... Or a lighter more nimble, and revy offroad capable 450 ...
Look at the patterns, Himalayan never shared the same engine as their 350 line up, so twin cylinder Himalayan can't be 650 it's too heavy of an engine
It is a 720cc motor
it's a scrambler,they have not got one in there lineup not adventure bike
The first Himalayan was attractive and utilitarian, but subsequent models are awful.
Mmm. The new one is even cooler actually. A great bike. And the interceptor has one of the coolest motors of the last decade. If they increase the piston travel we can have an interesting bike.
Yeah liked the looks of older one way more
@@panic_diver The new one recently released looks like a dildx, sorry to say
i hope to hell this comes soon ive been wanting something like the KLR 650 but with abit more highway legs for a while at a good price and i think this is perfect for what im after
Not himi, scram
Royal Enfield 650 weight 650 lol .
It's funny how everyone just forgets a bike that's not the "latest thing".
Suzuki makes a 650 V twin all road tourer that makes more power than an 850 RE will do and is available detuned for that licence category. It's cheap and will run with little maintenance for 600,000 km.
If you want to recapture someone else's youth and ride a replica of a 1960's British 650, then an RE makes some kind of sense. (I say someone else's youth because the people who rode newish 650 British twins in their youth are all 80+ years old now) If you want a capable all road tourer then RE really doesn't make sense. You want something like a V-Strom 650 that you know will just start when you push the button, every time, for decades. Not some weird bonding experience that involves taking your bike apart on the side of the road and whacking parts with a rock to unseize them.
@@gasdive First off your Suzuki engine has not proven to run 600,000 km nor is RE unreliable in any way.
@@deltabluesdavidraye I've ridden in a group of 10 RE and we had two full time mechanics, two spare bikes and even so sometimes people had to ride in the bus because there were not enough working bikes. In 2000 km of riding I had one stuck valve that disabled the bike I was riding, and the guy I went with had the piston break in two. All the bikes were quite low mileage by our standards.
We both ride V-Strom 650s at home, and in a combined 120,000 km, much of it on rough dirt roads, neither of us have had any problems. There's a guy on the Stormtroopers forum with 425,000 miles (just under 700,000 km) on his who has never opened the engine of his Strom.
@@gasdive interesting. What RE bikes were those?
@@adityan3208 500 Bullet
@@gasdive well they're known for not being as reliable as the newer RE's.
Although RE is still not as good as any Japanese manufacturer in terms of reliability imo
RE+under powered=too heavy=no thanks🤣.
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Unless you race on a track, none of this matters.
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Looks like another heavy porky it need to be a lot
Lighter
"Royal Enfield have just been caught out testing a 650"
3seconds later...
"We've got a lot of questions, is this going to be a 650?"
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