Camping with GEAR that’s too EXPENSIVE?
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- Camping with GEAR that WE don't really need?
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Great video as ever Howdon you entered the raffle for the equipment?
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My first night in the hills was with the scouts when I was 11yrs old. That was in 1964 so you can just imagine what sort of kit we had then. I dread to think what it weighed. These days I'm constantly looking for lighter kit because at 69 my "power to weight ratio" is not what it was! However the weight/cost/comfort balance is a complex one. Really enjoyed listening to you two rabbiting on.
Да выбирайте самое дешёвое, и проверенное.
И не надо про года...
Мне сейчас... 🙂
А, минувших три года назад, к нам с Братом, (мы тогда поминали 9-ть дней нашего Матриарха),
своими ногами! пришёл с Дикого берега, один старичёк.
Оцените любовь этого Человека к приключениям: мы, с братом приблизительно прикинули стоимость его одежды, рюкзака и фляги. Что лежало в рюкзачке, равно, как и стоимость палок, как Вы понимаете, мы определить не смогли.
Однако. Этот Человек прошёл за день, по Дикому Берегу. Сам.
Один. И мы с Братом, до сих пор не знаем, как его зовут!
My new policy for gear is I’ve had to of absolutely needed it 3 times before I consider purchasing. It’s all to easy for us to come up with what if situations for every new thing that takes our fancy. Too many things can lead to decision fatigue and sometimes stop us enjoying actually being outdoors doing what we love.
I can quit buying expensive backpacking gear any time I want. I've done it dozens of times!
I was wild solo camping 35 years ago with very cheap gear and I only have good fond memories of it. You really don't need it all to enjoy the outdoors, great content , thanks.
Watching Scouts turn up to DofE expedition with most of their gear vango and the rest all budget gear makes you realise it's not all about price. Great video Guys
Yep as a DoE and scout instructor, I see the same, and makes me laugh the kit some kids turn up with way over the top and top end then the scouts turn up with low end stuff but know how to use it, like Iv always told them, a budget tent put up correctly will stay put longer then a any tent put up badly, I see people now days throwing money at stuff thinking it will stay up because it cost more
The man on the left is a clever and wise bloke - some sound advice from experience and practice... the bloke on the right's not too shabby either. Some great questions asked and answered. I thought it was going to be a 'quick' 15 min video, but turned out to be an hour long interview. Loved it 👍
Hi Paul
Keep it up, you kept me sane during lock down, carry on with what you're good at ,and that's this.
Cheers
Hi Paul, I just wanted to say hello. Over the past couple of days, I've watched what must be hours of your videos. Your content is cracking. you're such a natural and engaging guy. Please keep doing what you're doing, I've never wild camped as you do, but I've spent many years camping with friends and family. Your videos have me convinced this is something I want to have a go at. So for that I wanted to thank you. Best wishes to you and the family.
I need more gear I can’t ever stop thinking about it. Especially stoves 😂
Really glad to see you've rediscovered your mojo Paul.
My first wild camp was with friends just after we'd finished our GCSEs. We thought we'd head for the Peak District, but this was long before the era of smartphones and GPS, and apparently we couldn't even get ourselves organised enough to take a paper map. So we got the train to Matlock, then somehow managed to walk from the station there in completely the opposite direction to the actual Peak District. Obviously there was still some kind of countryside to the south of Matlock, but it's not really the Peaks. We camped a night in some random patch of woodland, and sometime the next day found ourselves on the outskirts of Derby, a bit confused about what had gone wrong.
Love that story, made me chuckle at the end when you wondered what had happened lol
Really enjoyed that Paul and Andy. A great discussion from two respected hikers who really know their stuff.
it's interesting to listen to what other people used to use years ago. I started walking properly over 25years ago and I tried to get below 35lbs, my rucksack was a Karrimor jaguar s 60-80 and weighed over 5lbs alone, I am trying to start back up again and I have got one of my sons interested. Good sound video, if people don't like a video then don't watch it when someone goes out of their way to share their experience and enjoyment. Carry on
I had a Jaguar back in the 90s and I was trying recently to find out the weight of it online (I no longer have the bag). Did yours have the have the SA7000 back system? That was so comfy for the weights I was schlepping back then! But I had a memory that the bag was around 7lb empty, am I way off? The reason I've obsessing over this is that this summer it struck me that my current base weight is probably about the same as my old empty Karrimor, which is a huge relief now I'm 60 and have to nurse some back injuries! Going out for a long weekend of backpacking now feels like carrying a day-pack used to back in the day.
I was a rock climber/camper for years and every time a new piece of kit came out I bought it. At the end of the day, I had cupboards full of gear I wasn't using. The point is, that when I did go out I had total faith in the gear I carried.
Thanks Paul for another great video. Really enjoyed hearing you compare notes about gear.
Like yourselves I love trying out new things after lots of research and reading reviews.
I still love bargain hunting for camping and bushcraft gear. Watched your video on the pocket stove and went off foraging on tinternet for Trangia style stove + 2 in one windshield pot stand. etc I'm well pleased with what I bought and it didn't cist an arm and a leg.
Ended up I bought kit to make up pocket stoves (Highlander/Trangia style) for myself and my 4 adult children for their birthdays this year. 😁
Last year, I bought a single skin "5 second popup tent" , which is great! And this year bought a £7 lightweight tarp to give the tent a bit of extra protection against heavy rain, and a bigger porch area for storage and cooking. (Previously bought a pair of lightweight twist-telescopic poles which are ideal for supporting the tarp at the front of the tent).
As of last year my survival gear includes a Millbank bag, Sawyer water filter and 1.5L stainless steel water bottle to collect water from the Millbank bag and sterilise on campfire by bringing to a rolling boil. (I once lost my water bottle on a 2 day trek to Beinn Eighe in Torridon, and had to melt and boil icecles. With the Sawyer filter I can drink from a swamp if necessary)..
Your videos are a great inspiration. Thanks Paul.
Gentlemen - Paul, what an absolute brilliant video. Loved the chit chat and gear reviews. Totally with you both about the Atom pack mo50 my thoughts exactly. I’ve modified my Aeon Li to suit my liking, ditched the pegs etc for my own preference. Loving your new layout of video buddy more of real you ❤️
How refreshing it is to listen to two normal blokes chatting about the outdoors on TH-cam. Cheers gents
Enjoying this format and getting more of an insight into you two! I have so much spare gear I just turn up at my mates house, tell him to grab his boots, we're going camping! as I've packed him a bag with a full set up in it made from all my extras 🤦♂️
i would recommend the banshee for a first time wildcamper 👍i have the same ethos as andy your pack weighs what it weighs just as long as your enjoying it. but just be sensible not too heavy lol . there is plenty of good budget equipment instead of needing to spend hundreds on equipment we dont need .
Well done lads, great format!
p.s (genuinely!) love my Evernew stove set
just goes to show it really is each to their own, which is exactly what you describe through the chat. Cheers gents
Paul this is one of your best , simple content of 2 outdoor enthusiasts chatting, brilliant.
Hello Paul, This is one of the best conversations I've ever seen on TH-cam, covering all aspects of tents and equipment in a nutshell. Thank you.
Nice to see you with a smile again my friend 👍
I'm Looking forward to the next one, keep up the great graft 🙏
Been following for a year or two. Really enjoying the videos and advice. You help us to spend our money wisely;)
Same goes for motorcycle adventure - so many take too much rubbish, then struggle to pick it up when they drop it in the bush. Carry less, and have an amazing time RIDING the bike, like hiking with a lighter pack.
You hit it right on the spot with the dilemma of buying budget to start to see if you like it. I am sure there are a lot of people that hated it because of the weight and bulk, rather than the activity itself. I really wish there was a service where you could hire lightweight camping gear. It would let you try wild camping, without the burden of choosing weight or cost
Nice chat over gear.
Everyone really needs to do their own research. It's best to get out there (with any gear) & see if you take to wild camping first, because a lot of people find it isn't for them.
Next is routes & navigation for me. That's my particular weak spot.
I am so jealous, listening to you guys chew the fat over years of wild camping and the the kit you've used in the past and present is so informative in a stress free format, and your up a hill doing it🙂I'm 53 and when I uncle started taking me walking at weekends up Wales, Scotland and the lakes at the age of 16 I loved it. The one thing that has always stuck in my mind was going past 1 or 2 little tents pitched around around Stickle Tarn in the morning as we set off up Pavey's ark. Looking back I should have started years ago. Eh ho, i've started in the last few years, not done loads but it's growing, best one night great gable in winter, this Saturday was a night over looking Dovedale. Keep up the good work.
Loved this vid and the last one you did together. You're both so calming and so spot on, like hearing my own thoughts echoed. It's therapeutic to watch and I'm guessing for you too. Hope you're doing OK, but always here if u need owt. ATB 🙎♀️&🐕
Really enjoyed listening to you both.
Well done Paul. fantastic video again with Andy. it's nice to see a smile on your face. I think you should do one or two more like that.
Really interesting and insightful stuff. Much appreciated. Only thing missing was a camp fire (maybe a camp stove in the foreground) since you can’t be lighting fires when wild camping. Paul, you’re a legend.
Really enjoyed this lads....bit different for the good, full of knowledge! No nonsense honest Andy 💯
Just paused the video on recommending a good starter tent. I did a lot of homework looking for mine, and for the price couldn't find anything better than the Robens Starlight 2. Cost me £180. Flysheet has 5,000HH waterproofing and the floor is 10,000. Had it over a year now, very happy with it and can't think of any negatives. There's a "washing line" that goes across the inside, rather the lengthways as with most tents that have them, great for hanging a tablet for watching films!
You are inspiring me .Don't listen to rude people they are not happy with themselves and jealousy is the worst.
I am from South Carolina retired from BMW so used to hearing English with their accent. Even worked in Oxford for Mini for about 6 weeks. I need subtitles to understand your buddy 😂. Enjoying the channel.
👍 with the time lapse. Cheers for your hard work and sharing your enjoyment on the hill.
Paul i think you should do a competition and take a newbie who wants to start camping with cheap gear and you go with the best and then swap half way through and see what works best
Liked the easy-going style of this vid, and genuine thoughts/thought processes regarding gear👍
I get most bang for buck whilst learning something new. That is the key. A new hobby/interest, lots to learn, skills to acquire, things to try, seeing what others do. We are all prey to confirmation bias I guess too! As experience is gained, the thrills can level off and new thrills are sometimes not such easy pickings. Chasing new gear may result in micro-learning experiences, but beware diminishing returns… can be a costly way of re-living that elusive “fix” that came effortlessly and relatively cheaply whilst learning!
Keep up the interesting and varied content on your channel, Paul🙂. I particularly liked the opening and closing parts of the vid by the way, the splendour that gets us all (who doesn’t like a good view?) and the bare bones reality that doesn’t always get published (miserable wet morning and gear to get packed up etc!).
this was great! I have been a subscriber for over a year, and this video made it seem like I was out there camping with you. Thanks for sharing it.
Great discussion about gear. Budget gear gets better every year; just replace it qs it wears out. My major upgrade was being able to take the dog.
Great vid and nice to hear views of such experienced people. I wish I had the same positive opinion of Rab though but after being told I was lying about how the plastic fasteners on a down jacket had melted (they melted in the dryer), I’ll never pass up the opportunity to slag off their customer service. I’m still disgusted by it years later.
The 5 quid foil mat off amazon is definitely a god, doesn't matter what you put on top of it, your arse will be warm 👍
I've really enjoyed this video, just had it on in the background whilst doing other stuff, very interesting content 👍
Enjoyed this vid Paul, and the format I feel worked well. Hope you are feeling better and enjoying yourself again.
Regards boots I have a long narrow flat feet with a tendency to roll my ankles, I spent a few days driving to different stores like decathlon, go outdoors, snow + rock, Cotswold outdoors and finally Ellis Brigham in Manchester trying on boots. I finally fell in love with the LA Sportiva TX5 GTX boots, the best pair of shoes I have ever owned.
Was great to listen through all the wisdom the lads have picked up over the years.
I enjoyed the chat. I had it playing in the background while I churned my way through the morning admin for my business. Paul, we are all far more average than we like to think and so if you like this style of video, rest assured many others will too. Many may not but as mentioned before, your core audience will enjoy it and the rest can skim, flick and move on.
Hi Paul
Totally loved you and Andy going through your thoughts and kit.
Was a great vid
Atb Graham 👍
This was such an amazing conversation. Thanks lads
Now that's what I call an accent! Wonderful video, as always!
I really enjoyed that chat Paul. Top video.
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Excellent video. TBH I just listened- worked well as a podcast.
Really enjoyable and full of sensible facts.
A must watch for all, especially those who are new / about to start.
Love this video Paul, i sit and do the same with my mates, i think its great that we can see our evolution in gear and experiences, keep it up.
Another gem. Thanks Paul and Andy. I can identify with you both and your journey as well as the foibles you both have.
Like you, there are some brands that are always in your adventures Rab, Mountain Equipment, Montane to greater or lesser degree and the rest you flirt with for a while because it caught your eye on TH-cam or in a sale.
Enjoyed that chat. Thanks guys.
unless I'm going on a day hike, I always carry a heavy pack full of gear and camera equipment. My empty rucksack weighs almost 5kg, and when it is full of heavy equipment it can weigh anything from 20kg to 45kg, which is certainly a load on the back when climbing almost vertically up mountainsides. I value quality over weight, and in almost all cases, heavier materials will outlive thin, fragile, ultra-lightweight materials. Winter ❄️🗻 always means heavy packs due to extra clothing, although I often take winter down bags and clothing to the high peaks during summer, due to the high possibility of changeable weather, or being hit by a sudden storm.
Thanks for sharing an honest look at the hype and the reality of gear.
Really enjoyed this video, I’ve recently started wild camping and I can relate to everything you spoke about. I like shiny new kit, plus I’m a RAB man when it comes to clothing. Enjoying the chatty vids of late, really good. Thanks Paul.
This was an excellent conversation chaps.
Guys that was really fantastic. Love equally both of your choices of kit. I'm originally from between your homes. As we say you live in Hope and die in Bamford. Andy has the right idea with the alcohol stove (no noise) the jet boil basically sounds like a jet. The terra pants are great value for money........ I'm just getting to grips with the scarp 1...... Ps you two are the best and informative guys on TH-cam. Keep it up
I'm 6'4 I have a lanshan 2 pro and it's still a bit small for me sleeping diagonally. I don't think tents are generally made for people my height.
I'm the same just ordered a Durston x midd looks to be longer
I agree with Andy on this one, I've swopped out the guys on a load of tents for personal preference. Cricket, Duomid, Plex Solo, Trailstar, Luxe Hexpeak, Southern Cross 1, Scarp 2.
Personally I prefer longer guylines, enjoyed the video, like the new content 👍👌
100% I'm total opposite to this, I've still got and use budget gear from when I started but I started with a hammock/tarp and a polish lavvu then I got a old vango force ten mk2 fw and I've just built up kits around each shelter over the years for different styles of trips and now other than wanting to upgrade my pack I'm pretty happy with my gear. Granted I do have a few flash bits of kit I didn't "need" but they were 100% worth every penny/gram
Great video, Paul. One of your best. Just two mates having a chat about important stuff. Like the tent though. May be tempted....
You mentioned the Six Moons Skyscape Scout Solo Tent
Could you further comments on it
how was it
I went to enter the raffle but noted it's UK only it seems. Never mind, good luck to the entrants! 😀👍
Nice clear camerawork. These vlogs never fail to cheer me up. Bit disappointed with no beef for dinner:)
Totally agree on the Soulo comments, I’m an original owner from when they were first available, I can understand someone going for a black label but cannot understand the logic of selling a red to buy a black😅 really enjoyed listening to you both.
I'll bet you enjoyed camping just as much then😊
Best interview on camping gear ever..
Really enjoyed both the content and the format of this one, cheers!
Fantastic info, made me realise I'm gonna hold off some purchases until I can chat with people with experience, while I'm out 👍
Really good point that extreme tents are worse in the majority of conditions
I've just ordered a MLD Duomid can't wait to get it your thumbnail strikes my interest 🤣✌️💚
Great video again
Is there a link to Andy's channel.... I want to see his stove setup.
Thanks again 🤘🏼♠️🥃🏚️🤠🚬
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If you're out for a walk, fancy a quick brew, Gas is the way. But if you're on a trek and a camp, no rush, alcohol is so nice, so quiet and weighs nothing, 300g for an xboil setup.
Hi mate.
A lot different video to what I favour. That said, it was enlightening and informative, giving rise to experience and knowledge. I managed it over a couple of evenings, and the refreshing part, not needing my glasses for the majority of the run. (🤔 Podcast)
Great work.
Stay safe 🙂
Great for you Paul, take no notice, enjoy life and look forward to your marriage to Jo.
I also have a weakness for stoves. I love my jetboil buuuuuut I am always trying another setup. I have yet to use a frying pan but really want to. As for footwear, I am a big fan of Asolo. I have the TPS 520 GV EVO. I wore out one pair (thousands of miles) and now have a second pair. NEVER a blister. Never. The boots are heavy but they provide excellent ankle support and I have NEVER had a blister.
I'm on my 2nd of those msr stoves Paul, 1st one fell apart and replaced under warranty. MLD is nice to have and use.
Need subtitles when you fellows are having a chat. Automatic CC works surprisingly well.
Fantastic really liked this vid I have great respect for Andy he talks a lot of sense.as for kit there's a lot of trial and error finding what works for them and that can be expensive so the main thing is research and more research and take what people on TH-cam say with a pinch of salt because there only giving there opinion on what works for them.as for cost most hobbies can be expensive but they don't think twice about paying 5k for a push bike or 600 quid for a set of golf clubs.so I'd say spend the main money on boots sleep system tent backpack.
Enjoyed the vid Paul. Would love to see this type of q&a with other youtubers too
I really enjoyed this video,, two of my favourite vloggers 👍
Hope you're feeling better Paul
A very interesting video and discussion, l loved it when you asked Andy what is the biggest waste of money that he has spent on something and I thought to myself come on Paul he's a Yorkshire man they don't waste money 😉🤣
Fantastic video thanks guys
agree
I use an Exped Dura R8 mat and a ThermaRest -18c Sleeping bag (extra long and wide) all year round. In summer I use the sleeping bag as an open quilt, pulled up mainly to just below waist height and in winter fully zipped up with hood on. Cost a bit but never let me down. Changing me tent to an Abisko lite 1 with footprint in about two weeks. Peak District for me 30 minutes away so will be test tent a lot on odd nights and then in morning back to work lol Oh Soto windmaster stove. A bit of food, love being a lone wild camper and looking up at the stars and thinking about the purpose of life. Then to doze off, watch some horror film usually involving being attacked when you are alone in the wilds. Just gets me to sleep and makes me laugh. lol
What about using the radiator reflective sheeting under a closed cell mat, these are thin, really cheap, designed to reflect heat
A good worthwhile video Paul
Balls to what else everyone else has said. Its all down to personal preference. If your comfortable, warm and enjoying pitching a tent in Odin' knows conditions and if it costs £15 or £1500, all that matters is your enjoying the experience.
Great video pal I've only just found your channel so only started watching when I get the chance. I'd love to be able to go wild camping like you do looks like your living the dream!
I was wondering what you recommended for some good warm waterproof hiking trousers?
Thanks in advance keep up the good videos and take care Paul and merry Christmas
Haha should of watched the video fully! Montane trousers 👍
much better pitch this time, looks like it could still go up a bit :)
Lads, are talking about easy dexter? I was talking to him a couple of days back. Are you saying he invented atom packs? I believe he holds the record for the coast to coast, 4 days 12 hours if I remember correctly. I was watching that not 24 hours ago.
My first tent was a Saunders fellpine.
Shame they aren't around any more. Quality tents. My 1 man is a Vango Helium but I also have a Vango F10 mk3 Jaffa.
I've had Coleman cobras as well (good but heavy) and tried naturehike ( condensation).
I'm now waiting for a Dan Durston Xmid 2 solid.
My main weakness is stoves though and, guess what, I don't have any MSRs. Got Soto, edelrid, Trangia, speedster, optimus etc but no Msr.
Backpacking and hillwalking is my hobby. Being comfy is worth the money.
I’m still working with army surplus
Of course if you're smart about when you buy stuff, you can have the very best gear for not much more than low-mid range alternatives. I just purchased a Montane Feather-Lite Down Jacket which as an MSRP of £200 for just £85 and a Rohan Mistral Jacket, £140 MSRP, for £70...because no one wants them in the Summer 😁
👍👍👍 .. a very interesting listen .. thanks.
'Gear' 🙄😏. I emphasise 😁.
'Stoves' .. one of my (many) failings. Although, the very first two stoves I ever got (not including the family Primus No 1 'Roarer' used from back in the early 60's) .. my Military Issue 'Esbit' Folder (1968) and Campingaz Bluet 206 Butane Stove (mid 70's .. the one with the windscreen) .. both are still in regular use with both being used just in this week.
I must agree, I also have developed a fondness for Alcohol Stoves .. the Trangia being a very good all-rounder although, a little 200ml Energy Drink Can homemade Burner, together with the Esbit Folder and an Aluminium Windscreen (when necessary) tends to top the list.
Each to their own. My 'itch' to go out and splash out on new (and often eye-wateringly expensive) gear has been rather tempered by the depth of my pockets .. which have shrunk somewhat since going on pension. A saving grace is that generally, my gear choices, some from many years back, have been (by chance or otherwise), wise ones .. and they have lasted.
Once again guys .. a good posting .. thanks. Take care ..
Great interview. Loved it.