Tank Realism in War Thunder
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- Welcome to my new series, where I will try to cover some games that are well renown for their tank realism, where I will test the actual realism of those games. And I thought, what a better way to start, then reviewing War Thunder. It is no secret that War Thunder is a very popular game in the online tank community. It is often praised for its "realism". But how realistic is it actually?
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war thunder is the most realistic pain simulator
This is the best one i've heard so far
Tru
Plus stress
Well all war are pain
@@RFi731 War is very frustrating too. Seems like War Thunder is pretty realistic, checks all of the boxes.
Best way to describe war thunder is realistic fiction, has a base of realism with fiction for gameplay
science fiction(XD
Man I don't see any fiction for the gameplay. I play both WOT and WT but heck.... WOT sacrifice the realistic tanks configuration for some gameplay sake which is nice but I don't see WT doing these kind of things yet. Wish they took a bit more aproach on fictional part for gameplay sake. No don't add the HP bar..
@@atichatsai01 the realistic part in War thunder is actually only about the physic and damage model and these two play the biggest part and selling point of the game. The rest of it is actually quite fiction like the match making and the TIGER'S TRANSMISSION DOESN'T BREAK AFTER FEW KILOMETERS, for example.
@@rrrriajiii I’m not sure if you’re trolling or actually trying to nitpick that tanks don’t have flaws modeled in. Not sure what I expected..
@@Iberny3 I'm saying the truth with some troll as example
6:30 i imagine playing tank with each crew slot having randoms filling your tank would be a chaos, a driver who suicides the tank so he can respawn as a gunner, the loader loads HE instead of APFSDS to troll the gunner, the radioman blasts caramelldansen to drown the comms, the commander slot is empty (Disconnected voluntarily), and the gunner is having a meltdown due to said wrong shell
That would be the funniest fucking shit ever
So basically the average usmc abrams in target practice
sounds fun
Best thing : tanks can drift uphill when loses traction
lol what u can’t tho
@@ariq4209 sometimes it actually happens
Yea it happens
@@ariq4209 you can, that's a bug, or more accurate an effect of butchered nerf to hill climbing characteristic on wehicles to block certain OP spots
@@mateuszk3812 oh u mean when the vehicle slides down? Well yes of course it happens
Id say War Thunder has the best mix of realism and arcade. Thats what makes it good. Too much arcade or too much realism ruins the fun for some people. War Thunder had the perfect mix
I like the transition to past tense in the end. I joined just early enough to see the glory days of t62s and leopard a1a1s being top tier.
@@_nanking5374 you call that early?
I remember Leo 1 being top dog
@@milanminic8545 Could've been worse, imagine joining when mbt-70s and t-64s were top dog.
@@_nanking5374 aparently none of you got in time to see the era of convetional shells (no Leos and chemical rounds), where IS-4M absolutely dominated, even side shots were extremely hard to pen (there was no penetration analises on the hangar or hit cam tho, so it was literally much more difficult than today, when even SIMULATOR mode gives you hit cam, making possible for your adjust you shot)
@@IllustriousUnknown416 i remember the time when in Sim the gun barrels broke when you hit a building or such with them THAT was the good ol time
war thunder "realism":
world war 2 tanks fighting cold war tanks, 122mm cannon bounces off of tiger 1's drivers port
They should have put driver port all over the tank. They would have won
World War tanks vs cold war tanks is realistic.. T34 fought M48 and there even exist Videos of T34 getting killed by a Kornet atgm 2012
lol this happens all the time and it hurts so i just laugh and cry about it while Boris loads the gun for twenty plus seconds ;((
@@KingSpittusFactus those are very specific examples, in WT the EBR, r3, t92 and basically all mid tier Swedish tanks are post war and still fight ww2 tanks all the time. That isn’t realistic
@@KingSpittusFactus you don't get the point. T-34 vs M48 is not fair lol
My main problem with Ground Forces is a map Selection. I would love to play Tanks on a map with 3km engagement distance, not CQB in the center of the cities
Fields of Poland
How about early 40s tanks vs late 50s tanks?
Huge open maps arent that good either, maginot and mozdok arent that fun imo, especially at top tier.
They don't care about players like you and me.
The more WT became successful, the more WoT kiddies came over and demanded certain stuff with their money. Now WT is just WoT with extra steps.
@@aletron4750 I agree with the top tire not fun to play.
You can’t use your side she can’t because everything is just close quarters basically
Finally, we can see Red playing WT
He already is. He is playing very good. Once seen him in Rhine. We both finished as the best in our team but my team was retarted (US and Germany players (most of them)) and we lost. But yeah he is a very good player.
Yes, it is a very realistic game, especially when driver optics can stop literally any round, or when i get hull broken by a round skimming the top of a vehicle
Edit:apparently hullbreak got removed, i havent played in more than 3 months and i mostly played on and off before that
they removed hullbreak though
Dude
Hull break is not in the game anymore so stop complaining
With the new overpressure, I would prefer hull break back.
@@DZ477 yeah, i prefer hullbreak now a random HE shell can just land everywhere and kill u
The game still has bugs tho, not everything is an intended feature.
Also crew agreeably, is a factor for this realism.
“Gunner aim the gun counter-clockwise in an elevated position, driver drift around the next left corner, load good luck loading the next shell with a broken arm.”
Also, you already cover this topic later in the video. Well enjoy my comment.
Anyone who's played squad knows that. "Gunner, target bearing 193." And then the gunner continues to shoot at riflemen 2000m meters away while the hostile takes their time killing you.
Nice video and I can’t wait to see more of this series. Remember Gunner HEAT, PC ( ghpc )? Well the game progressed a ton! Yes, there are only four tanks, two APCs and two ATGM launchers at the moment, but that’s because they mainly focused on making those realistic and implementing mechanics such as crew voices from actual US tankers. Please do a video on it!
Rising storm: Red orchestra Heroes of Stalingrad. The Panzer IV Ausf. F2, Panzer III Ausf. L, T-70 and T-34 are available in the game with a full interior and seperate crew members which can be controlled by seperate players. The Gumrak map is tank only, Barashka has combined arms and further maps can be modded in.
Yes the game is very realistic. A tiger 1 can stop a Morden atgm.
Hey I mean Strumpanzer II was (and probably still is) notorious for wrecking M1 Abrams in game.
@@getserious4958 idk what you expect from a 15cm shell
Tiger facing a modern atgm isnt realistik either. (Has flashbacks to when the ATGM Centurion was introduced
@@TRPilot06YT Historical*
@@randomshitpost8477 I mean historical accuracy is off the park with wt tbf
There's always Arma 3 ;)
The damage models are nothing near Warthunder, but some of the mods have very nicely modelled tanks (with interiors... soemtimes) and a lot of the crew functionalities you mentioned missing.
Essentially everything you mentioned as done badly in WT is in Arma 3, while everything you mentioned as good in WT, isn't in Arma 3 XD
Maybe arma 4 will have a damage model like or similar to wt
Check out Gunner,Heat,PC for a new realistic tank game,its currently an indie project
@@samr932 they better have it... providing it's a MILITARY SIM
Never heard of Steel Beasts Pro PE?
@@getsideways7257 Steel Beasts it awesome although its certainly more of a hard sim experience.
Gunner Heat PC(GHPC)
Next alldought its still early development would still by a good idea to make a video about its its a well balance between war thunder and Steel beast the are trying to make the game realistic as Steel beast(example ammo cook off depends on where what and how hot/fast the sharpnel hit the ammo) but still has the easy to use controlls from WT
and Multiplayer is planned and Coop in a tank is planned to
It will be harder than Warthunder
Co-op man it'll be nice to see TH-camr in co-op to see how they'll operate and what there reaction would be
About changing out loaded ammo in a 120mm L44/55 and the clones of.
That would be a very very rare thing to do.
You have to take the breach opening lever from it's storrage point.
Hand crank the breach open.
Restore the lever.
Grab the tool to pull out a cartridge.
Pull the cartridge out with said tool.
Restore the tool
Carefully stow the ammo back in the ammo rack.
THEN you can finaly take the desired ammo type and load it.
A stupid thing to do.
One that might get closer to the mark is "Iron Warriors: T-72 Tank Command"
Give that one a shot.
Steel Beasts Pro PE, give that one a shot.
Also you might enjoy Gunner, HEAT, PC! ,or Steel Armor: Blaze of War
The reason I like warthunder so much is that it gets the mix of realism and arcady-ness almost perfect
"Let's have five planes hover over a tiny battlefield with perfect visibility"
6:30
As far as i know the only tank that can be controlled with one crew member in war thunder are the strv 103 tanks and they can be operated by one crew member in reallife
If you want more realism, you need to play Steel Beasts 🧐
I mean its kinda hard to get( at least for me) but if it is hard i recommend downloading gunner heat pc, it littrally warthunder except the gameplay is realistic this time
@@noggamcstogga1756 it is not literally war thunder.. It's a complete different game
@@noggamcstogga1756 "realistic" shots also get stopped by gun barells without damaging them
But that is really boring.
@@noggamcstogga1756 GHPC has the same problems as WT for the entire time the game is out... and its not even free (unless you play outdated free public demos)
Nice video, liked it a lot mate!
Glad you are making these, should be fun to watch. :)
As far as new types of videos, i say more RedEffect the better. Love the content regardless of topic!
Great video! If you haven’t planned this game for a future video of this series, maybe you should check out Squad’s armor gameplay. It has Tanks, IFVs, and APCs that are all implemented pretty well into the game, which is infantry based. There are also anti tank kits with regular, and tandem HEAT rounds for the infantry against any enemy vehicles, as well as the ability to build ATGM emplacements too. It would be very cool to see you check it out/judge it’s realism.
The only thing poorly implemented is the attitude of your crewmen.
5:20 most modern tanks dont have that option OUTSIDE of very few situations that require you to manually unload the gun for safety
in most nations doctrine it is normal to fire the current round rather than unloading and loading another, especially with tanks armed with the RH120mm due to the casings high chance of fracture when unloading.
in many WW2 tanks its also outright not doable without special tools, because in many rifled guns loading actually starts the shell to seal on the rifling, thus making them near impossible to pull out again.
There is this game still in development called Gunner Heat PC, its what we are all asking for . You should definitely check it out.
Yes true
Ofc it’s realistic, I mean, what’s wrong with Italian anti air pizza boxes running circles around shermans?
I would like to see Steel Armor: Blaze of War and Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942. They are pretty old but there are not a lot of tank simulators, sadly
I cant wait for the 5 second WOT vid where he just says no then rolls credits
I got into WoT first and certainly had fun with it, but then got into War Thunder after they put the BTR-152 in the game and never looked back. WT Ground Arcade is SUPER HARCCORE REALISM SIMULATOR compared to WoT.
@@Vilamus based response. I'm the same, played WOT for a year or so then tried war thunder and never looked back. the only World of ____ game I play anymore is world of warships just because war thunder naval isnt as fun for me.
@@egg3666 I would agree with the Warships if they hadn't crapped on CV's.
Would love to see more of this series
Very worthwhile video. It helps to remind people that these are games, not realistic combat simulations.
I've seen people with lots of gaming experience insist they were right when real military armored unit veterans who actually served in that type of vehicle point out a mistake. I mean, how ridiculous is that?
First off - great video, thanks for bringing all these to light. I have been a long time fan of WT but have only been playing for a short time. I too love the realism in the game (especially when compared to the atrocity that is WOT), but I too would love to see a "hardcore" mode or at least the ability to create servers with settings for realistic damage, realistic crew effects, full on blood and gore effects etc.
Here are some of my observations from your video.
1) Module damage realistic effects.
I am all in favour of this. WT was the first game that I have ever seen that avoids the archaic and unrealistic "hit points" system, now they just need to extend it to make each and every module important. Hey, if it is important enough to model then it should be important enough to damage, right ?
As a corollary to this I have long argued that WT should include crew damage from falls, rolls and serious hits. Rolling a Tiger tank off a 100 foot cliff should not only see half of the external modules damaged or destroyed (eg MGs, sights etc), it should also kill or wound half of the crew, if not set off a catastrophic explosion from loose rounds.
2) Repair times
I would be in favour of a "hardcore" mode whereby repairs could only be carried out at a capture or spawn point and only if a designated repair unit was in play. Destroying a team's infrastructure, eg fuel trucks, repair vehicles, ammo trucks etc should be a major goal of the game.
3) Lag for aiming
Again, I have long argued that there should be a lag to aim the guns or to get in to gear. The ability to finesse the aiming sight is the biggest concession to "arcade" in the game, I would love to see it retained only as a server side option.
4) Thermal noise
If you watch any of the countless gun camera videos that came out of Afghanistan and Iraq one of the first things you will notice is just how "noisy" the field gets after a few rounds have been fired. Peppering an area with 30mm or even MG gun fire leaves LOTS of hot glowing smoke holes which obstruct the thermal view greatly. I for one would love to see thermals become a LOT less useful once the heat is on and the field is littered with shell craters and drifting smoke.
5) Station crew models
Again, I know that Gaijin wants to cater to the biggest market possible but a server side "MA 18+" mode would be fantastic. Crew models for exposed commanders and MG gunners, realistic blood and gore effects for crew wounded and killed would add massively to the immersion.
And while I am dreaming, this would finally allow them to add crew served guns (AI or player) and even infantry squads. Can you imagine how some of these city fights would change if you were worried about some lunatic jumping your tank from behind with an RPG, anti tank mine or Molotov ?
Rock on baby !
The tank crew could actually die if you fall from a great enough height or if something heavy falls on top of you. Btw war thunder still uses a hit point system but its more complex (they used the module hit point system where certain module has a set amount of hit points).
@@gotanon8958 Yeah I know that hit points are buried under the code somewhere, but even having separate HP for modules is better than the WOT/WOWS "chop chop chop" system of eating HP until the target dies, usually at 100% combat capacity. Compare that to RL human AND vehicle damage in whihc losing combat capacity occurs when someone so much as sneezes but actual death/terminal destruction is actually kind of hard. A .22 long rifle round will make a person stop and bleed, but actually killing them (at least quickly) could take a dozen rounds or more.
On point, RedEffect. Nice vid.
"remember to feed your credit card for the holy snail"-- someone
This game is like a drugs, it gonna make you depressed so much most of the time but you will get addicted to it
Been showing your videos to friends. One guy is a former tankist for a Soviet tank, who could provide some insights.
Love the video, can you do an analysis on 40k tanks and titans?
great video!
GHPC is looking at you RedEffect!
I totally agree with you with 4:30 part, even Tigers, Panther, Sherman, Centurion and all Patton variants including CM11 had commander sights like the T34s. But Gaijin mess it up real bad.
Many times tanks have some ridiculous track adhesion issues, just so players can't reach exploit points in maps, but that ruin every other situation where a tank shouln't struggle to move
Odlicno video :) samo napred
Yes -- more of this. If Steel Armor isn't on the list perhaps you should take a look. Thanks.
would love to see you cover Squad
There’s always GunnerHeat Pc even though it’s still a beta, Spookston reviewed it and I’ve played it as well and it’s really good
Steel Beasts is also really good, its fully released and can let you play literally ANY scenario you want. Price is high but won’t be as much as the amount you spend on WT.
@@aletron4750 Of course it's "also" really good. After all, it's a civilian version of an actual tank sim for the military...
fun fact: all T-72 based tanks received commander sight which magically is placed on the front where the machine gun is facing
Edit: gaijin has since made radiator damage cause engine overheat, eventually destroying it. Commander sights can be shot out, you can still see through it but it will rotate much slower and lose thermal or night vision. I think it also loses its rangefinder capabilities if the sight has its own independent laser rangefinder. It would be cool if they implemented this on gunner sights and maybe even driver viewports. When you switch to that sight, it would be covered in cracks and lose any electronics it has.
5:54 at least they fixed that one in Enlisted
This does put a smile on my face :D
I'm expected it's spookstoon's if tanks in WT is historically accurate parody
@DestroyerTom Those are satire videos
@DestroyerTom Yeah he’s good so what? All that means is he knows how to use a vehicle
@DestroyerTom If you even bothered to look in the description he says it’s not to say there op but to say they are good and the videos are for entertainment
I think they should add a cooperative mode where several players control different functions of the same tank (a player simulates the driver, another commander etc... Along with open communications between the 3/4/5 players of the same tank with the exception of tge radio operator who can communicate with allied tanks up to a certain distance), and every player has a unique repair ability (gunner/loader for the gun and turret, driver for the engine etc...) I don't know, the idea just flashed in my head.
Try hell let loose
you forgot the best and most realistic part, where a 152mm armour piercing high explosive shell travelling faster than sound will not penetrate the flat 40mm thick side of a panther because it hit the part where the plate under the tracks and the plate above the tracks are joined by a 10mm thick sheet of kruppstahl ))))))))
So, you want realism? Tell the russians to build Escape From War Thunder.
But the Gulag was already invented.
@@williamgandarillas2185 I meant the game inspired by Escape From Tarkov, one of the most realistic fps
Making a combat vehicle game by an fps company gonna be hard.
Escape from Port Novorossiysk
3:40 I unintendedly got my name into the video here through a SpazzKill sight that I requested. just a little fun fact.
Maybe you should try Red orchestra 2 tanks for this series. I love that game.
"The most unrealistic thing about handling is that one person controls the entire vehicle". I'm not sure about you, but I wouldn't like having Hans over here driving me off a cliff as I aim at another tank.
(( joke ))
One other thing i think should be mentioned is that tanks don't have as much grip as they should which is unrealistic.
wich is especially painfull when crossing trenches
Nice video
Do red orchestra 2 tank interiors fully Modeled and each player does the job in each position in the tank very cool
The reason why i play war thunder is because it’s for me the best combination of arcade and realistic. I basically only play the rb gamemode because as I said it’s for me the perfect balance between arcade and realism. Something like world of tanks is way to arcade like for me and all other games I’ve tried have either been the same or the complete opposite. Where it’s to realistic and I need to take months to learn a single vehicle. (I’m talking both air and ground here but mostly ground) I have Dcs and I play it somewhat but it’s honestly mostly to get awesome screenshots and mess around with friends. If I really want to go Air to air I play War Thunder because it’s easier to learn and realistic enough to where it feels good.
Everytime i heard the word realistic in the sponsored video i remembered about the time i die from an arty shell bounced from some random t34 hatch.
Want full realism with no bugs? Join the military. No respawn makes the gameplay bad tho.
Yes but my country's military has a handful of old M84s, the roster is full up so there's no open spaces to crew them and they don't deploy anywhere.
Also I'd be _well_ over the height limit and we have no real airforce and very limited air assets in general - which also don't deploy anywhere.
So I'd have to migrate to another country to join the armed forces - which was actually my plan but now I'm getting too old to do that too.
@Toney Slamboney I’m not gonna spend hours for a single mission thank you
Guess we all have a love-hate relationship with WT
Yes
You forgot the traction nerf which gave tracked vehicles the possibility to deja vu their way up mountain slopes
War Thunder tanks are realistic, but some are more realistic than others.
can you also do this concept with squad? i know squad is way different, but you get the balance between inf and armour instead of air and armour.
WoT players when they miss the target at 300m and abuse the game engine to send other tank flying through the air and glitch into the ground on Battle Starts: Realism
I shook my head and said no multiple times for 10 straight seconds when i saw the notification.
You should do a video on Steel armor Blaze of war
Based on the fact that you mostly get killed by CAS, kind of realistic.
Repairing a gun in 30 seconds they don’t actually repair it the commander just pulls a new one out of his ass
Could you possibly give your thoughts on this developing game called Gunner Heat, PC?
I’m sure you already plan to do one on world of tanks but I’ll recommend it anyway, especially since I’ve been considering moving from war thunder back to my roots( WoT), I’d still play war thunder but just not nearly as much, I’m getting very very burnt out of playing war thunder with the helos and jets flying around while I’m just trying to have fun in a tank, it’s also very frustrating to get to a certain br after a few hundred hours of gameplay and get matched with a bunch of idiot turms or xm1 players that only spawn in once, or on the flip side when I play I get matched against people using them but are just much much better at the game then the turms players on my team
I’ll also add that it’s crazy hard for me to play the countries I like when the repair costs are crazy high, while on WoT I always made 15k+ a battle
Sorry guys, being a former Treadhead, this game is laughingly simplistic and arcadish, while tanks were dressed with arguably very good, detailed 3D appearance. I'd rather 'play' Steel Beast Pro for its realism and attention to details. Still, enjoy War Thunder for what it is, just don't say "Oh, its so real" to a real tanker :-)
One of the things that drive me crazy is tanks jumping down from 20 meters cliff with no damage to crew and modules (or maximum with a track becoming yellow).
lets not forget about armored warfare (game) which in my opinion deserves more attention
Me : "War Thunder is realistic"
Also me : "those fokin ghost shell scared me"
The only thing realistic is the repair costs of high tier vehicles.
You have to pay money to repair !!!...what tanks do you start with then ???
I would have loved to see a section about tank acceleration and speed in cross country and on the road.
Next game to review: GHPC ! But a nice review of WT
Hey red how long have you been playing war thunder for?
Hell Let Loose would be cool
As a kid i played a lot m1 tank platoon 2 and wonder now, how (un) realistic it is
GHPC would be fun for this series
You do caindaw have the automatics lead but you have to hold down the right mouse button while aiming on a selected target.
Wait, I thought War Thunder was an endless escalator grinding simulator. You mean that there's an actual, fun, game in there somewhere?
Can you do a series about prototypes like black bear , kpz70 etc..
How about Squad? There are tanks there, if you're lucky enough to ever drive one. Closest I've gotten is commanding a BMP crew, none of whom were very cooperative.
Is T-90A's turret rotation and gun elevation speed that bad? ±20 deg/sec for a top tier kinda *oof* a bit while the others are around ±30 deg/sec
The Simulator battles are fantastic.
However, because the "team names" are gone, it can be extremely frustrating for both you and your teammates. Especially when enemies pick tanks that are shared between nations...
It's a game where player looks at his tank from 3rd person and operates the whole tank alone. It doesn't show that tankmen are pretty much cramped in a box with several other people with miserable view options and each of them having a different job. Games like WT, WoT don't teach communication between crewmates.
Red Orchestra ftw! There player had to accept a role and talk to other crewmen, or it took him a time to change from driver to gunner, making the tank pretty useless.
I think one reason why the gameplay feels arcady is because of the the game modes that you usually play.
Like Capture the flag
It forces you the player and your opponent to go on the objective, and this causes both players to get in ranges a real life tank battle will unlikely happen.
Game suggestion: Squad, a realistic modern shooter
Is kv2 overpressure realistic when they shoot to the tip of the nose of your is3 and u explode?
PD could analice enlisted and heroes and generals?
nah overpressure isn't working right currently
7:14 anyone notice STRV 122 B frontal hull have L2A7+ armor upgrades... but L2A6 dont have it...it have no effects in WT of course but worse mentioning.
The strv 122b is better protected than leo2a6 in the game on its upper front hull, the change actually effects it a lot
Warthunder is very close to reality. Every month there are meetings between top tank commanders and they brief eachother on what needs to be adjusted in the game to make it more realistic. No other game does this
Nah
Gaijin solved the Most Problems (realistic) in enlisted when you Drive a tank
ahh yeas I remember Sir Hans living from a 130 HE round and coming out with a Bloody noes in a match
Can't wait for IL2.
If you want to drive tank not being alone, you can play RO2:HoS or Arma series I guess (haven't played it much lol)