Hipac - The lost tape : Pioneer's forgotten 1970s cassette rival
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2017
- Hipac is the pre-recorded tape format that history forgot, so it's time to fix that.
Previous videos on related formats;
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The only other video I’ve found on TH-cam featuring a Hipac player - can be viewed here: • PIONEER HIPAC ハイパックGP-505
FAQs etc.
Firstly - a few Japanese speakers have confirmed my pronunciation of Hipac is correct...so that’s good news.
Q) What's that clock/youtube counter on the shelf
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More info about the machine and the purpose of the case....
It seems unlikely it would be a salesman's sample (as has been suggested by quite a few) as there would be little need for a 12V power connector or even a model number for something the public couldn't buy. Additionally - there's that chap on youtube (linked above) with a different model - you'd only need one design of this case for demo purposes.
Now as far as the aerial...you'll see some leaf spring connectors on the left of the inside of the machine at one point when it's open - it seems very likely that these are there to connect to contacts on a special radio cartridge that could be inserted in the machine to provide it with radio reception capabilities. Personal stereos of the 80s re-used this idea, with a number of machines coming with radio cassette that you put in the machine when you wanted to listen to the radio. - Here's an example of a similar idea for the 8-track swling.com/blog/2017/06/myste...
Q) Could the screw that's holding the player in place just have been used for transportation - like when you buy a washing machine, record player etc.
A) I think that's unlikely, I've never found a transportation screw in any device that required disassembly of the unit to remove - they are usually on the bottom and can be removed and reinserted easily. Again I think this was screwed in - so that the deck and holder could be sold as one complete unit in order to sell off the unsold Hipac player stocks (probably very cheaply).
Q) Where did you get the belts?
A) Here ebay.to/2k8jEx9
Q) What's the music playing that starts at 06:54
A) Étude Op. 10, No. 3 (Chopin)
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As a jacket lover you need to tell me where you get some of your jackets ;)
Not many white men can pull off that jacket and shirt combo. Straight pimpin'.
lol didn't take long for it to go on wiki with this vid as only external link, nicely done haha
@Timcat100 Because of antibiotics my mother was prescribed whilst pregnant with me. Yellowed teeth of the carried children were a side effect that only became apparent after a few years. I’m lucky that they didn’t prescribe thalidomide...it was going around at that time.
@Beingatliberty - JoeBrowns.co.uk
Best answer you can give to a comment troll. :)
Peak geek has been reached. A 1970s tape format that failed in Japan and sunk almost without trace.
I loved it.
And has no mentions in the Wikipedia.
Some hipster band will release their EP on it within a year.
You're damn right!
mazdaplz, it's strange you say that with such authority. Sounds like you speak from experience.
Now on your bike and piss off.
Sank almost without trace, not sunk. or has sunk, or had sunk.
pronoucing it as 'high pack' seems to be correct.
at 2:10 in the bottom information in blue it says "ハイパック"(hai pakku).
I W's
Yes pack. That sounds like a bunch of german chocolate cakes! :D
Reminds me of the Japanese tutorial, "bad case of diarrhea". "My stomakku!!"
Hi Pikachu!
Kevin Höhnisch: i.ytimg.com/vi/c6u-IoHoO64/maxresdefault.jpg
I really appreciate you ramming both cartdriges in the opposite players and risking probably expensive and rare formats to satisfy my itch.
I love the 'Moans' puppets. Long may they continue.
and the Moans are talking sense about TV. If you factor in adverts the original content can drop below 33%. I got that statistic entirely off of the top of my head.
Trevor
When is Jeremy Clarkson, James May or The Stig going to make a cameo on
The Moans?
they reminded me why i stopped watching TV
@@turokforever007, same here ... commercials for shit I don't need / can't afford,
constant reruns & general bullshit!
@@turokforever007 lol same here
I love how any used electronics you get from Japan seems to be in better condition than when it was first manufactured. They always seem to treat everything so nice and save practically any little scrap of literature that came when it was bought. It's pretty awesome how much they seem to respect everything they buy.
Zzyzx Wolfe thats not always true. For example they treat cars very badly over there, that is way manufacturers need to build cars that can withstand the poor maintanance.
Zzyzx Wolfe thats not always true. For example they treat cars very badly over there, that is way manufacturers need to build cars that can withstand the poor maintanance.
We frequently import used iPhones from different countries. Japanese iPhones always look unused; really pristine..
alebidogas I dunno about that. Where I live used Japanese imports make up roughly 65% of cars on the road and I've seen used cars look brand new
They treat cars amazingly well over there. The only thing is that they get rid of them after a certain amount of time has passed by crushing or leaving them by the side of the road. There are very few 80's cars around I've heard.
_Honey, I shrunk the 8 track tape!_
And gave it 2 more tracks!
there used to be a law (not sure which countries, probably several) that meant all in-car radios would require a separate license, making them more expensive and prohibitive to install. Manufacturers got around this by making the in-car radios and casette players 'removable'. Hence the pull-out handle and the runners. The reasoning being (and apparently legally sufficient) was that any radio/casette license that the owner of the car had would apply to it already as their own personal machine. The fact that you could dock it into a car was just a handy extra. this way, there was no need to pay an extra license. so there you go, music companies and governments screwing people over for extra royalties has been a thing for decades.
Yeah, i was just about to mention that there was no DIN-slots yet. :D
I was going to guess that the setup was for demonstration purposes. But if that was indeed the law in Japan, that would explain things. I guess you could say that it was a early attempt at a boom box.
I've never heard of anybody paying to have a stereo in their car? The damn thing comes with it?
this was a loonnngg time ago, and I guess the reaction from the automakers was swift and decisive. It was pretty much history before it started.
Never heard of paying a fee for having a car audio device that played media. Ever.
The new holy grail of hipster walkmans!
I love that organic looking soldering work on the board.
This slice has some nice marbling, lmao
That PCB is truly a work of art!
That's enough solder to sink a ship.
No cold solder connections unlike today.
I was thinking the same. Definitely not done using CAD and I doubt if the designer even used Letraset. Most likely drawing film and Indian Ink hence the artistry.
There were no (affordable) CAD programs or systems to run them on back then. We used black crepe tape on dimensionally stable draughting film, cut with a scalpel, at usually at 4:1 scale and then photo-reduced that to make the PCB. That's why the arty aspect - you did what you liked, so long as it was electrically OK. ;-)
Miles Hayler ..Yes 🖖I agree with everyone on this, really beautiful 🍸🎯
Ain’t nothing like waking up early on Sunday morning and watching TM videos. Watching his videos, cooking breakfast, peace and quiet. Love it.
It looks like it was a salesman's portable demonstration unit.
Am I the only one to find watching all those moving parts during the end credits very soothing?
notsorandumusername yes, Especially the rare cassette player that flip'd entire body of cassette over, rather than head mechanism--had *Kubrick /2001* tribute in slow motion, total tech +geek sci fi journey 🚀🛰🚀🛰🖖🖖
Where is the Techmoan museum located? I'd love to visit it one day.
this is why I love channels like this, unearthing/bringing to light long forgotten things of the past
LOLed at "here's... this thing."
Yeah, "high pack" seems appropriate to me, too. Up there with "Hi Fi".
Just wanted to say how much I enjoy these videos - especially the ones with the puppets at the end. Thanks for making my day!
Out of the ballpark yet again!!!! Please submit your work to CBS Sunday Morning show, please!!!! Everyone needs to see this level work. Love it!!!
Hi there, when i first saw the case for this it reminded me of non fixed cubby boxes, which were storage boxes between the two front seats in some larger cars: - the more you look at the item the more you could see it in a car, as you showed it has a car battery power lead for running it off the cars battery, as well as internal batteries so you could take it out once you had reached your picnic destination ? and the speakers would mean that people sitting in the rear of the car could also enjoy the music, even the way the lid access opened was like some fixed cubby boxes, and allow the driver access to the player, the fixing screw would possibly be required to keep the unit in place and connected if the car was travelling over slightly rough road surfaces ? just a thought ! see what you think.
Many thanks, regards Simon.
"The Moans" and "Nobbleberry" are my favorite shows.
Love the puppets!
he does a really good job on the puppets it reminds me of the muppets which is awesome i think he should do this as a series on youtube
@@billyhatcher643 They really do. Reminds me of either Guy Smiley or Don Music (the Muppet who always smashed his head on his piano when something didn't go right.)
Thanks for show and specifically the puppets. Made me laugh and I needed it right now.
16:56 - Hmm, there is still about 4 minutes of video... the ending song is less than two minutes... this only means...
18:30 - YESS! YESS! YEEEESS! A MILLION TIMES YEEEEESS!!!!!!
By the way, the correct pronunciation is "hai-pac", as confirmed by how the name is spelled in Japanese: ハイパック, read as "Haipakku" (and even searching the original Japanese ハイパック name on Google images gives almost no result for this format, but it mostly brings up pictures of plastic Tupperware-like boxes by an eponymous Japanese packaging company, and of an eponymous delivery van by Isuzu)
This is unrealated and a really stupid question but does that character or characters that look like a smile denote anything similar to a smile emoji or anything like that? Probably not but ive always wondered that lol
If you mean this character: "ッ" - this character has two usages in the Japanese writing system. If written big, "ツ", it is the "tsu" syllable, but if it is written small, "ッ", it is used to double the consonant of the next syllable. Let's take this device's name: ハイパック . The syllables' spelling is the following: ハ = ha; イ = i; パ = pa; ク = "ku". The ッ character indicates that the "k" in "ku" has to be doubled, "kku". Also, this name is written in the katakana syllabary, used for writing foreign, non-japanese words. There is also the hiragana syllabary, used for writing proper Japanese words. In this case, the "tsu" syllable is written "つ", both big and small and with the same purpose as above. ^_^
DrNazoo1983 wow so i feel rather basic or thinking it would mean something like a smile haha. That just goes to show linguistics can manifest in a million different ways and have different meanings for everyone. I often wonder when the originators of modern languages began to transition from a pictoral symbol based system to a more modern usage of random shaped symbols that are more specific and refined, and what could be a holdover from that previous era. For some reason us westerners tend to think english is the most advanced system of language but something tells me thats not even remotely true, even though im not fluent in amy other language. Thanks for your input!
Indeed, ideograms based languages like Japanese and Chinese are very advanced, because instead of words they literally use drawings to describe words, and simple yet exhaustive drawings at that, and us humans are more comfortable looking at figures instead of written words, for drawings instantaneously describe something to us, instead of a potentially time consuming readout. I wonder if this is why Chinese and Japanese people can get so creative, because they are constantly surrounded by drawings. I guess it all started with those pictographs written in caves in prehistoric times, ans now some languages have Latin characters, Cyrillic characters, characters with lots of accents (Vietnamese or Slavic languages) and of course ideograms. This variety is fascinating!
Anyway, thank you for the answer! Also, never be afraid of asking "stupid" questions, or questions in general for that matter. Being curious about the world surrounding us is a very important thing, because having a rich and varied knowledge helps you living better. And BTW, as they say here in Italy, "asking is legit, answering is courtesy" :D Have a good day!!
Ooooh, at the credits and lots of time left. You know what that means! Puppet time!
I've seen that power plug before - like on Sony portable TV sets, tape recorders, etc from the same era. Searching for "Sony portable tv 4-pin power connector" turns up a few samples.
Russell Hltn Yes, very Sony! I've had several Sony cassette recorders with that plug.
@Jasper Janssen, I'm not sure what the rational was. Perhaps it was just to simplify things for the consumer. "Power goes here". No need to think if this is "wall power" or from an inverter, or 12V battery or from a battery eliminator. The cord used took care of that.
I've seen it too. We had a portable Sony reel to reel tape recorder that had one of those, it was 110 and 12v.
I knew I’d seen it before!
We had too flip up portable tv I can remember if it was a sony or Panasonic used at the beach
So, where did you hide the body?
You dont even wanna know
Flippin' 'eck!
I'm just trying to find out who's trousers I'm wearing...
Don´t care `bout that body. I`m so excited about that BetaMax Announcement.
Definently not in the water storage tank... OH WAIT
Mat - your knowledge and presentation always blow me away. Yet again, I've learnt something today.
Thank you.
Another video from Techmoan about an obscure and almost completely forgotten audio format? Count me in!
Thanks for making this, Techmoan.
As soon as I see one of your videos in my subscription list I have to watch it right away because I know it's going to be great. Thanks for another great video!
Really well produced. Your penchant for historical depth really makes your channel a delight.
always great to catch a techmoan vid before work. Till this day Pioneer top quality products
Pioneer had made their fair share of rubbish...
Hiya - just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos and your descriptions of obsolete and practically unheard of technology - it's good that someone remembers about it and is taking the time to document and share.
You clearly put a lot of time and effort into these things and it's appreciated.
I found you channel randomly and am so glad I did. I just love geeging over obsolete formats and different gadgets. Keep it up please!
Love your reviews of these old systems! It makes you appreciate the audio gear and gadgets we have now.
I completely enjoy these videos! Thank you! Hello from St. Louis Missouri!
A well made video, as always. The logical narrative was based upon historical research data, and I really don't understand how anyone can be so rude as to give this video a thumbs down.
I suppose as the youth of today are fond of saying: “Haters gonna hate”.
I would suggest that this sort of person has been around for very many generations, but they have now been given a voice. For instance, the expression "tune in, turn on, and drop out" comes from the sixties, when a previous generation thought that they could fix things by shooting themselves in the foot.
Yep, thats what I like the most on Techmoan videos - a detailed investigation and historical facts, not just simple demonstration of a product.
Techmoan deserves respect for his detailed investigation. There's another TH-cam guy, who goes by the name of 'Cool Hard Logic', who is equally detailed in his work on cosmology. In fact, I would recommend Cool Hard Logic as psychotherapy for anyone suffering from a bout of irrational belief syndrome :-)
Stephen Clementson thanks for the tip, i'll check it. I can recommend the "8-bit guy" and "Nostalgia nerd" for the same reason.
I love watching History of Technology stuff like this. Thank you for your efforts in preserving the knowledge of these alternative formats and other hardware.
Thank you so much for preserving the past and in such a professional matter! You're the best!
Crap day ahead...then a new Techmoan video saves the day :D
That's a real rarity! Had HiPac came out around the same time as Playtape did in the mid 60's it might have been a competitive format.
BTW the HiPac tape was also used in a guitar/vocal effect box called the Melos Echo Chamber reverb.com/item/3793329-melos-echo-chamber-vintage
I love the way the Pioneer Hipac deck is so carefully designed and assembled, excellent quality. Pioneer made some outstanding cassette and 8-track under-dash decks in the 1970's, especially their high power Supertuner decks.
What a great find! This stuff about the dead-ends of history is why I love this channel.
Another wonderful video. Thank you! So nice of you that you have tried the playtape on hipac and vice versa.
I love watching each new video but I become sad at the end because that means on less piece of fasinating technology from the past to rediscover
Mike E sometimes there's a cost to looking behind the curtain. I totally agree though
But, who knows how deep the rabbit hole goes? If he runs out of consumer devices, if that's possible, maybe he will find prototype devices.
Great way to start a Friday. Thanks Mat!!!
Great job I really like how you brought the story full circle between the three products.
Man, you do such good work! Can't believe the number of formats I've never even heard of. Loved the puppets, and so true!
that is a very BLUE jacket.
Too blue for TH-cam
Bluetube
AzuriteT3 I read your comment before I got to that part in the video and I fucking cracked up. Jesus man I gotta give it to you
It's purple, he thinks he's heath ledger, Australian and dead
it looks blue when compared to the other colors on his shirt. i suppose it might be a little bit purple. indigo maybe. th ecamera rarely tells the truth though. colors are weird that way.
I think this was OEM'd by Toshiba despite the Pioneer branding, look at the TSEC (Tokyo Shibaura Electric, or Toshiba) T-Tag on the nameplate.
I love watching you fix these machines. Best part of the videos.
I watching you for few months, i watched all your previous videos (some of them twice ;) ) and now it's my favorite YT channel. Really good work!
11:27
A Sgt. Pepper's Playtape! (with Faul McCartney pictured) And the tracks are all out of order!? Awesome sauce! I'd like to see more Beatles albums on obscure formats and the challenges and changes necessary to bring a whole album to market back in the day.
Big, Not Good Keep your eye out for a copy of 'Dance to Beatles Hits in the Glenn Miller Sound' by the Hiltonaires.... It's almost as bad as it sounds - or sounds almost as bad as it is... (That said, 'Michelle' makes a surprisingly good Glenn Miller tune.)
Come for the tech history and stay for the puppets.... Now with a proper title... The Moans! (apologies if I've missed an earlier mention!) Absolutely love them! Thanks!
Love your VIDZ!!!! As a child of ... well let's just say earlier decades ... This totally rocks my boat! Keep it up!!
Thanks your effort put into the making of these highly informative videos are commendable.
I was just now sitting down having some Marmite on toast and wondered if Techmoan had a new video out. And there you are
Kylefassbinderful it's a conspiracy, they know.
Oh shit they DO know.
Kylefassbinderful Marmite?.........you disgust me lol.
Lol i know i know but it's still tasty.
Marmite is delicious!
Hopefully this helps someone: the piece at 6:55 - 7:30 is Chopin's Op. 10 No. 3
I never would have heard of this format, but you presenting it to us. Thank you!
Your old-tech videos are always the best. :)
YEA!!! PUPPET FAMILY!!!!! :-)
FLIPPING HECK!
Excellent video, odd how pioneer didn't make the unit a little more easy to remove from the case to allow easy swapping between car use and say at home or picnic
Yesssss!! Another music format and player. This is gold. Impeccable research with actual newspaper clips as always.
I love the Techmuppets! Brilliant. Yet another utterly splendid video documenting an oddity from the days of olde. :)
Upon opening of the "box" I thought the player was a smaller replica!
i wonder if the antenna on the box was used as a transmitter to transmit the music to your car stereo through the radio like those FM transmitters you can get for your MP3 players.
The technology needed to do that would be far too big and expensive, if it was even possible at the time.
You might be on to something, but not like you think. In the 70's they had FM converters so you could listen to FM on your AM car radio. You'd plug the cars antenna into the converter than the converter into the antenna port on the radio. I really don' think that's what was going on here, but it's possible the thing was set up to connect to an AM car radio just like the FM converters were.
Another fantastic look in to our electronic history. Bravo! 😀
I grew up in the 80s/90s and didn't even know this existed but 30 years on this was actually so intriguing to watch! In today's world of tech packed into small/slim chassis nothing actually beats the complexity and build of old electronics. They had to create within their limitations but doing so create some very interesting stuff!
Looks like that thing was made yesterday.
Hahahaha, "this episode of the Moans" reminds me of why I don`t watch tv anymore :p
Same here. All foolishness, reruns & commercials.
super intresting as allways you really have kicked my intrest in music in general back into my life so thanks for that mate keep up the good work
Always love hearing about "new" formats, good job finding something this odd!
Here's the wiki page
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HiPac
and if to look at the history of the page, it's clear that the page was creates the same day as the video come out.
See, I think the portable case version might have been a demo or salesman device.
Perhaps, but I f you listen at around 15:25, he mentions that there is another model of it, kind of unlikely if it was just for demonstrating.
I just love that LG flat screen in the background displaying scenes and images of the video itself, It just gives your videos much more of a professional studio look.
I love your videos! Great job explaining how the player works and the history of it.
Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan.
sinne siis
Dout3 Siellä nähdään tuon makkarat
Tuon saunan
Mutta siis millä torilla? Turun torilla? Vai saako torin ihan itse valita?
Tuon torin
If it's japanese, it's probably pronounced "Haipakku" ;-)
nope ハイ
So what's different in the pronunciations of hai and high?
Yes, "ハイパック"
Essentially, no difference, as this is just a sound of a foreign 'imported' word, "Hi" or "High". It's written in katakana, which is phonetic.
Thank you for yet another very informative video about technology history! Keep up the good work!
Every time I think I've seen every tape format ever made, TechMoan comes along with another blinder like this. Seriously, 55 downvotes? 55 people who have no idea just what a peerless repository of vintage-tech knowledge this channel is going to provide for years to come.
Love everything about your videos (including THE MOANS!). Thanks for the good information and entertainment.
Techmoan, you should review the United States Library of Congress audio book players for the blind and physically handicapped. The machines play standard special cassettes at half speed to get a total of 6 hours out of a 120 minute tape. They also had an internal battery. I just got one, and they are VERY interesting.
Thank you very much for always filling up the missing parts of my childhood.
Thank you Techmoan! You've really left a footprint this time (even though all of your content does that one way or the other). And the Muppets section was pure bliss. Thx :)
I really wish that continuous loop had caught on more, I love the idea and engineering being all of the continuous loop formats
As always, thanks for sharing! Nice find!
This is not only a great video about this forgotten format, but it has a perfect critique of modern TV tacked on at the end. TH-cam is great for material like this as there are no slots to fill-each 'programme' is as long as it needs to be.
I love love love your videos and watching all these old cassette tapes
Never saw this format before. Thank you for sharing.
Those puppets and your funny voices brighten my day every time
The amount of research you pull off for these videos continues to impress. Without a Wikipedia page even!
I love watching your video! I always learn something new and I love it.
ok, @Techmoan, I'm impressed with how you've been finding these obscure formats. I've known about many of these, as I am a technology historian, but am glad you're showing these to a much wider audience.
I always look forward to your videos.
I really enjoyed this . Excellent as usual, and I like the shirt and jacket.
As always...thanks for making another great video!
It's always nice to watch an older episode and see some puppetry! I liked this skit especially.
Now to see how that Wikipedia page turned out.
Excellent presentation. Well done. Very very interesting. Thanks.
I bet that is going straight into the permanent collection. What a beauty. Both the outside finishing work, and the mechanics on the inside. Everything is made to last. Nothing of that planned obsolescence bull going on here. Amazing!
Personal highpoints;
-the battery pack. Yeah that is just classy. Wow.
-The PCB layout. Don't see much handtaped pcb layouts anymore (well, defiunitely not the nicely rounded ones).
-The all metal internals. Yes. This speaks to me on an almost spiritual level. Wear resistance. Maintainability. Ruggedness. Love it!
Thanks for sharing, always a pleasure seeing your video's pop up in my subfeed!
Another brilliant and education vid Mat! Keep up the good work mate.