It's fun seeing people rediscover these things, I remember the debate around this when the fv came out and I alsp remember ruining entire teams with the ap shot after they added french tanks
Great Vid!❤ As a British main I feel your pain, the only redeeming factor about the 20 pounders APDS is its ability to go through a Tiger II's UFP, which is nice during Simulator battles
i was surprised when playing uk about how nice it actually was compared to the nightmare ppl were talking about i actually had a nice time in this tech tree
Yes, the high-penning, high-velocity shells that Britain gets are what makes it a favorite for me, even if I don't always one-shot people (knowing at the very least where the gunner or ammo is helps-and like Jon says, especially for early APDS, main AP and use sabot as a secondary). I haven't gotten above 9.0 yet but it isn't too bad even up to that point. I think it's also the play-style as well (and I like the Chieftains a lot). France is also really nice, arguably even better in some respects.
One of my favorite tanks, even when using the wrong shell... Sort of realized when playing the fox how viable a lower pen shell could still be in that BR.
been saying this for YEARS about solid AP that so many players get wrong in game. the mass of an AP shell is KEY! high velocity and light mass means great pen. but very bad spalling, but with a good AP it has mass and just enough velocity you get much better spalling. also the plate you shoot at matters a ton with AP.
Already back in the day when these monster and the Centurion Mk.3 where at 6.3 over 8 years ago, i personaly prefered the AP shell over APDS. The AP created so much more shrapnel that, you noticed imediately what was the best shell, i would still carry APDS but i used it like APCR, only for very specific targets that i couldn´t penetrate with the AP which, with these 84mm gun you actualy strugle to find stuff that you can´t penetrate even today at 7.3
First gen APDS is so unreliable in game. Minimal post pen dmg, it shatters not only on spaced armor (which would make sense) but also on addon tracks (which is bs).
Gotta be my fav british tech tree tank i played except olifant mk2 and the 8.3 spaa's. 7.3 Had so many downtiers when i played IT and Tiger 2's struggled to pen me
this tank used to be my favorite in 6.7 british line up along with falcon AA, centurion mk 3 and caernavorn , its stomping the other 6.7 line up and still got nerfed this day 🤣
I love this tank. Only high vehicle BR i have from any nation before i stopped playing. Decent when i played it probably a lot different now that there are newer vehicles.
Not a bad tank for sure, when recently begun research Brit tree played on this one, good in overall, but for me felt too sluggish on mobility (not slow, exactly sluggish, idk how to explain this), so I preferred Caernarvon and Centurion over 4202
Britain NEEDS a Spaa for that BR Bracket they need something better than the Skink. Like look at what Russia has at 7.0 its a Tank Destroyer/Spaa and Germany get the Kugelblitz or what I use instead the Aka=Flakpanzer 341 Aka.=Flakpanzer V Coelian aka.=Coelian AKA whatever you want to call it these days🤔 America the M163 also Italy gets a choice of the Leopard 40/70, RS T20 FA-HS or the ZSU-57-2 and France get those newer ones that are ahh alright but the 5.0 makes up for it AMX-13 DCA 40 and Sweden HaHa more Tank Destroyers/SPaa ZSU-57-2 and a Veak 40 and Israel another ZSU-57-2 tank destroyer spaa or Hovet and then British get a STINK with a Whooping 38mm of pen on its belt. Also forgot Japan ... Well Japan gets screwed and thats not anything new" poor Japan ground tech tree"😭 BPA_Jon You Rock 🤘🤘 💯 you da 💣 a nuke almost every game 👍
It's fun seeing people rediscover these things, I remember the debate around this when the fv came out and I alsp remember ruining entire teams with the ap shot after they added french tanks
watching the bad hitbox on that rock get you twice was painful
rocks, gutters, idk what else, how does this stuff still not get fixed after 10 years??
Hull down beast, I love this thing. Turret armor is basically impenetrable in a downtier
The PZH 2000 in Sweden @10:40 and maginot @16:35 was the same guy. Poor soul, having to play against John in 2 matches in a row xD
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I just got the Christian 2 yesterday, and finnaly didn't forget to use your code.
Love the decal!
Great Vid!❤ As a British main I feel your pain, the only redeeming factor about the 20 pounders APDS is its ability to go through a Tiger II's UFP, which is nice during Simulator battles
i was surprised when playing uk about how nice it actually was compared to the nightmare ppl were talking about
i actually had a nice time in this tech tree
@TWCTAWEC Britain isn't bad till top tier imo
Yes, the high-penning, high-velocity shells that Britain gets are what makes it a favorite for me, even if I don't always one-shot people (knowing at the very least where the gunner or ammo is helps-and like Jon says, especially for early APDS, main AP and use sabot as a secondary). I haven't gotten above 9.0 yet but it isn't too bad even up to that point. I think it's also the play-style as well (and I like the Chieftains a lot). France is also really nice, arguably even better in some respects.
I love that you have the wyvern in your lineup at this BR, given that it is historically a 1956 turbo prop.
01:57 Oui oui
I remember when this thing came out an AP was really bad across the board but even still it was always a performer.
That rock hitbox has fucked me so many times.
British tanks are slow enough to keep you out of trouble.
hello! i needed this kind of material about this tank! thank you!
the AVRE Monster ...... Damn I havent brought that thing out in forever
One of my favorite tanks, even when using the wrong shell... Sort of realized when playing the fox how viable a lower pen shell could still be in that BR.
been saying this for YEARS about solid AP that so many players get wrong in game. the mass of an AP shell is KEY! high velocity and light mass means great pen. but very bad spalling, but with a good AP it has mass and just enough velocity you get much better spalling. also the plate you shoot at matters a ton with AP.
What in the hell is that cannon... lol
Already back in the day when these monster and the Centurion Mk.3 where at 6.3 over 8 years ago, i personaly prefered the AP shell over APDS. The AP created so much more shrapnel that, you noticed imediately what was the best shell, i would still carry APDS but i used it like APCR, only for very specific targets that i couldn´t penetrate with the AP which, with these 84mm gun you actualy strugle to find stuff that you can´t penetrate even today at 7.3
I mean you really dont, you need some very specific shots to get through an IS3
Do we think solid shot is just better than the sabot for British tanks earlier than this? I’ve had 0 fun with the Cent. mk1
Edit: holy shit it slaps
First gen APDS is so unreliable in game.
Minimal post pen dmg, it shatters not only on spaced armor (which would make sense) but also on addon tracks (which is bs).
Gotta be my fav british tech tree tank i played except olifant mk2 and the 8.3 spaa's. 7.3 Had so many downtiers when i played IT and Tiger 2's struggled to pen me
You need to play the British 8.3 SPAAs. The ZA with the Falcon is actually pure cancer
How can I be using it wrong? I don't use it 😂
In other words, APDS is broken in game so you are stuck playing AP shell instead.
this tank used to be my favorite in 6.7 british line up along with falcon AA, centurion mk 3 and caernavorn , its stomping the other 6.7 line up and still got nerfed this day 🤣
I’d really love to see some tournament gameplay some time in the future, if you still play them sometimes.
Not even one shell shattered during this video, ain't no way José
Another amazing performance by BPA_Jon
Are those thingy on the side of the turret can absorb some shot?
I love this tank. Only high vehicle BR i have from any nation before i stopped playing. Decent when i played it probably a lot different now that there are newer vehicles.
As a British main i use them corecly
Next event vehicle FV4030/3 gonna be like this but with bigger cannon (120mm) and bigger engine?
I will never spade this thing, look how slow and painful it drives while spaded. Unimaginably slow on stock.
FV202 or Centurion action x?
i got a nuke first time playing this tank so it is always special to me
Could you possibly ask gaijin if they could add the EBRC Jaguar? Its a french vehicle
Try using the Challenger with AP only. 5s reload with great pen, top speed, acceleration and turret traverse speed.
Not a bad tank for sure, when recently begun research Brit tree played on this one, good in overall, but for me felt too sluggish on mobility (not slow, exactly sluggish, idk how to explain this), so I preferred Caernarvon and Centurion over 4202
What is your native language?
Probably Spanish since he is from Spain.
If only it wasnt so god damn slow 😢
i dont know why but thats my favorite tank, incredible gun und good armor if you know how to use it
Can you please play the T32E1
yeah... no... i used to like this tank.. but sadly it just isnt working for me anymore...
Please play centurion avre:)
Geat video🍵🍵🍵
Britain NEEDS a Spaa for that BR Bracket they need something better than the Skink. Like look at what Russia has at 7.0 its a Tank Destroyer/Spaa and Germany get the Kugelblitz or what I use instead the Aka=Flakpanzer 341 Aka.=Flakpanzer V Coelian aka.=Coelian AKA whatever you want to call it these days🤔
America the M163 also Italy gets a choice of the Leopard 40/70, RS T20 FA-HS or the ZSU-57-2 and France get those newer ones that are ahh alright but the 5.0 makes up for it
AMX-13 DCA 40 and Sweden HaHa more Tank Destroyers/SPaa ZSU-57-2 and a Veak 40 and Israel another ZSU-57-2 tank destroyer spaa or Hovet and then British get a STINK with a Whooping 38mm of pen on its belt. Also forgot Japan ... Well Japan gets screwed and thats not anything new" poor Japan ground tech tree"😭 BPA_Jon You Rock 🤘🤘 💯 you da 💣 a nuke almost every game 👍
Just a reminder that it’s apds can pen a tiger II’s front plate
Im very early today, none the less, amazing video
you are using British tanks. WRONG.