As for round filing...i think the term comes from the tendancy for people to pull their file back and in turn pulling up on it, making it so eventually they square off the tooth and the file rides high.
The only reason I remove the gullet is for file clearance when using a guide. By removing this area your file doesn’t gradually get pushed up the tooth (if you don’t maintain downward pressure constantly) and it also speeds up the filing process not contacting that area having to remove it at the same time and sharpening the tooth. Speaking to a mate who was a professional cutter for decades, he likes the gullet in place to maintain his file height too when freehand filing.
I never clean my gullet on square ground. I run a bit thicker side on my stone. Never had anyone tell me my saw cuts like shit infront or behind my back. Lol
Cleaning up chain gullets?? - Arborist Forum 27 Oct 2007 - When you hear of cleaning the gullet, it generally refers to square chisel chain. Here is a pic of a gullet in desperate need of cleaning. I rest my case people
Yep, been saying the same thing to guys online since he came out with the nonsense. Since he did I see so many guys spending all their efforts on “getting the gullet “ that they aren’t even sharpening the cutter! Ugh! In his defense, only thing I can think of is he’s trying to get them to keep guys from letting the file get to high and squaring off the the cutter angle but if so he sure got a bunch of guys headed in the wrong direction with their filing. He definitely should have either known better or tried describing it differently! 👍🏼
Here is the Stihl guide on how to sharpen a chain with video also. Again, no mention to the gullet. I am calling get the gullet BULLSHIT again. www.stihlusa.com/guides-projects/a/how-to-sharpen-chainsaw/
Here is Oregon guide to sharpen your chain by file or chainsaw grinder. There is a section on filing the gullets and it refers to square ground chains only. No where does it say file the gullets on round ground chain. I am calling get the gullet Bullshit on round ground chain. www.oregonproducts.com/en/product-support/chainsaw/sharpening-chainsaw-chain-/c/sharpening-chainsaw-chain-s
We are sure that this ‘Get the Gullet’ mantra of his refers to chip clearance and not preparation for proper sharpening of the cutting edges of the tooth, as I think some here have already written? Here a quote from Carlton's instructions, when it was still independent of Oregon, may be helpful. This manual has been mentioned many times on your channel. _Gulleting As a cutter gets shorter, it's important to make an occasional freehand stroke with the file to clear material out of the gullet that could get in the way of a good sharpening job_ Personally, I don't see any good reason to leave the material between the depth gauge and the tooth. Also, if I remember correctly, in the case of square filing he claimed that he did not see the advantage of cleaning the gullet. Again, a quote from Oregon that explains the necessity, according to them, of cleaning the gullet every so often for a square-filed cutter. And it is unlikely to be about the chips. _If you do not clean the gullets regularly, the outer edge will eventually prevent the working corners of your cutters from getting an adequate bite into the wood_
Also note that in these Stihl drawings they drew chips between the depth gauges and the teeth. There are fewer of them than in the spaces between the cutting links, but they exist nonetheless.
@elpolaco7654 You will get chips everywhere there is a space. Please explain technical how the gullet helps chip evacuation on round ground chain. My information states square needs get the gullet
@@ChainsawUsers Rather, the point here is that chips that are produced by the preceding teeth can also find their way into the gullets of the following cutter links. In general, for chip evacuation, all free spaces probably count. But this starts to matter more when the length of the cut becomes large and a lot of chips are produced, which can interfere with the cutters from working properly. This interference probably also depends on the length of the chips being obtained. Longer ones may have a greater impact.
Follow up comment on BBR as unreliable source. My comment on BBRs _How to Cut a leaning tree down Pro faller tips_ th-cam.com/video/DGWgiZc3FAg/w-d-xo.html The diagram explanation doesn't make sense. The state of the tree before it fell, for quite a long time, was held only with the hinge. *If there was any capacity for the order of cuts to let it drop toward the lean before releasing the tree - it would have happened when all but the hinge was removed!* My conclusion, this is entertainment creating drama where there really isn't any. Reiterating: Any tendencies of the various "Plates" to influence the fall were cut away, so the tree would have sat down into the lean if it could. But it couldn't and didn't because the hinge wood had enough tension and compression to hold the trunk. The video puts up the text *“Manipulating Physics”* basically stating that the explanation is impossible! The video is a joke on the gullible, if you were deceived learn from the experience. Don’t uncritically accept supposed authorities explanations and claims without checking against reality - the source of authority. The capacity of good wood to withstand compression and tension forces is seen in the small amount of hinge that held the tree. Seems to me the dramatic explanation created an imaginary belief about the reality of felling trees and gave many viewers a false impression about what was happening in this case. Dangerous entertainment Have a good one all sincerely d
He is probably one of the best hand filler I have seen buy get the gullet really is for square ground maintenance. So I am calling BS on this one. That is my opinion
Tinker, how true it is,glad you've taken some hype away that's flooding on TH-cam. So much garbage on there which can get very confusing for the unaware out there! Glad u shined some light on this never ending subject!
@@ChainsawUsershopefully not. It's the public square so to speak. You definitely aren't the only person that's had a different thought than BBR. But so far as I can tell in different ways you are both very knowledgeable about chain. At the same time though you guys live on different continents. Cutting different wood in different conditions. And your experience is yours and his is his. But def take aways from you guys. BBR finally got round filing thru my head. And I make a mean hand file now. You've opened up some new avenues for exploration as well which I'm enjoying working thru. Haven't gotten to mechanized sharpening yet. But these are the vids I'll come back to for that. Want to make sure my hand file gets really good and more importantly consistent before I explore that path.
As for round filing...i think the term comes from the tendancy for people to pull their file back and in turn pulling up on it, making it so eventually they square off the tooth and the file rides high.
It takes a while to master freehand filing
The only reason I remove the gullet is for file clearance when using a guide. By removing this area your file doesn’t gradually get pushed up the tooth (if you don’t maintain downward pressure constantly) and it also speeds up the filing process not contacting that area having to remove it at the same time and sharpening the tooth. Speaking to a mate who was a professional cutter for decades, he likes the gullet in place to maintain his file height too when freehand filing.
Sound right only file the gullet to get the correct access and tooth height
@@ChainsawUsers spot on 👍
I never clean my gullet on square ground. I run a bit thicker side on my stone. Never had anyone tell me my saw cuts like shit infront or behind my back. Lol
Buckin is coming for you my friend lol
I don't mind we will have a few drinks and laughs
@@ChainsawUsers There are many ways to skin a cat, just ask an Asian.
@timberray9572 hahhaha yes but let's be open about it and throw around some thoughts
Slo-Mo Guys might do a good comparative video at 10,000 FPS
That would be good to see
Cleaning up chain gullets?? - Arborist Forum
27 Oct 2007 - When you hear of cleaning the gullet, it generally refers to square chisel chain. Here is a pic of a gullet in desperate need of cleaning.
I rest my case people
Yep, been saying the same thing to guys online since he came out with the nonsense. Since he did I see so many guys spending all their efforts on “getting the gullet “ that they aren’t even sharpening the cutter! Ugh! In his defense, only thing I can think of is he’s trying to get them to keep guys from letting the file get to high and squaring off the the cutter angle but if so he sure got a bunch of guys headed in the wrong direction with their filing. He definitely should have either known better or tried describing it differently! 👍🏼
Way to not make sense of a simple concept.
Yes agree more technical explanation would help
Here is the Stihl guide on how to sharpen a chain with video also.
Again, no mention to the gullet.
I am calling get the gullet BULLSHIT again.
www.stihlusa.com/guides-projects/a/how-to-sharpen-chainsaw/
Carlton guide to file sharpening no Mention of get the gullet here also
www.carltonproducts.com/faqs/where-do-i-sharpen/
Here is Oregon guide to sharpen your chain by file or chainsaw grinder. There is a section on filing the gullets and it refers to square ground chains only.
No where does it say file the gullets on round ground chain.
I am calling get the gullet Bullshit on round ground chain.
www.oregonproducts.com/en/product-support/chainsaw/sharpening-chainsaw-chain-/c/sharpening-chainsaw-chain-s
www.madsens1.com/gullet-maintenance-on-square-chisel-saw
We are sure that this ‘Get the Gullet’ mantra of his refers to chip clearance and not preparation for proper sharpening of the cutting edges of the tooth, as I think some here have already written?
Here a quote from Carlton's instructions, when it was still independent of Oregon, may be helpful. This manual has been mentioned many times on your channel.
_Gulleting
As a cutter gets shorter, it's important
to make an occasional freehand stroke
with the file to clear material out of the
gullet that could get in the way of a good
sharpening job_
Personally, I don't see any good reason to leave the material between the depth gauge and the tooth.
Also, if I remember correctly, in the case of square filing he claimed that he did not see the advantage of cleaning the gullet.
Again, a quote from Oregon that explains the necessity, according to them, of cleaning the gullet every so often for a square-filed cutter. And it is unlikely to be about the chips.
_If you do not clean the gullets regularly, the outer edge will eventually prevent the working corners of your cutters from getting an adequate bite into the wood_
Also note that in these Stihl drawings they drew chips between the depth gauges and the teeth. There are fewer of them than in the spaces between the cutting links, but they exist nonetheless.
That's is square ground chain not round ground lol
@elpolaco7654 You will get chips everywhere there is a space.
Please explain technical how the gullet helps chip evacuation on round ground chain. My information states square needs get the gullet
@@ChainsawUsers Rather, the point here is that chips that are produced by the preceding teeth can also find their way into the gullets of the following cutter links.
In general, for chip evacuation, all free spaces probably count.
But this starts to matter more when the length of the cut becomes large and a lot of chips are produced, which can interfere with the cutters from working properly.
This interference probably also depends on the length of the chips being obtained. Longer ones may have a greater impact.
@@ChainsawUsers What did you mean 'by that is square-ground chain'? Stihl's drawing?
Follow up comment on BBR as unreliable source.
My comment on BBRs _How to Cut a leaning tree down Pro faller tips_
th-cam.com/video/DGWgiZc3FAg/w-d-xo.html
The diagram explanation doesn't make sense.
The state of the tree before it fell, for quite a long time, was held only with the hinge. *If there was any capacity for the order of cuts to let it drop toward the lean before releasing the tree - it would have happened when all but the hinge was removed!* My conclusion, this is entertainment creating drama where there really isn't any.
Reiterating: Any tendencies of the various "Plates" to influence the fall were cut away, so the tree would have sat down into the lean if it could. But it couldn't and didn't because the hinge wood had enough tension and compression to hold the trunk.
The video puts up the text *“Manipulating Physics”* basically stating that the explanation is impossible! The video is a joke on the gullible, if you were deceived learn from the experience. Don’t uncritically accept supposed authorities explanations and claims without checking against reality - the source of authority.
The capacity of good wood to withstand compression and tension forces is seen in the small amount of hinge that held the tree. Seems to me the dramatic explanation created an imaginary belief about the reality of felling trees and gave many viewers a false impression about what was happening in this case.
Dangerous entertainment
Have a good one all
sincerely
d
Yes interesting
Hi@@ChainsawUsers
Yep, interesting.
Billy hater, hahaha
He is probably one of the best hand filler I have seen buy get the gullet really is for square ground maintenance. So I am calling BS on this one. That is my opinion
Tinker, how true it is,glad you've taken some hype away that's flooding on TH-cam. So much garbage on there which can get very confusing for the unaware out there! Glad u shined some light on this never ending subject!
@gunterbecker8528 I will get some bad criticism lol
@@ChainsawUsershopefully not. It's the public square so to speak. You definitely aren't the only person that's had a different thought than BBR. But so far as I can tell in different ways you are both very knowledgeable about chain. At the same time though you guys live on different continents. Cutting different wood in different conditions. And your experience is yours and his is his. But def take aways from you guys. BBR finally got round filing thru my head. And I make a mean hand file now. You've opened up some new avenues for exploration as well which I'm enjoying working thru. Haven't gotten to mechanized sharpening yet. But these are the vids I'll come back to for that. Want to make sure my hand file gets really good and more importantly consistent before I explore that path.
@Mightycaptain he certainly know how to file be he just never explained the get the gullet theory