CORRECTION: Please note that the list of vehicles over 6,000lbs came from the eligible list of vehicles under US Section 179 deduction (I only highlighted vehicles 6,500lbs & higher to be generally in line with the Lightning). However, this list turns out to include the GVW, which means some of these in the list will weigh under the dry weight of the Lightning. Still, the point stands that many of the most popular ICE vehicles sold in N. America weigh the same or more than the most popular EVs (also note that ev trucks are the heaviest of light duty passenger evs). I strive to always deliver accurate information and wish to thank my amazing Trucked Up Folk for catching these boo-boos! Please share your experience with you ev regarding these 'facts' about the downsides of ev trucks. Thanks as always!
@@Terry-q7y That's correct. Gas & diesel trucks are terrible in floods. They stall, get water in the block and transmission and seize up. Thank goodness I own an ev truck and don't have a problem crossing rivers, ponds and flooded areas, which I've done often in the mountains. Oh, hold on....you're not a FUD troll talking out of your other steaming orifice about something you have no idea about because you've never even driven an ev or fact-checked any of the crap-feed you spew, are you? Nah, you couldn't be that dumb. Sorry for even implying it.
@@Terry-q7y Oh, now we've moved on to saltwater ingress from normal flooding. So, how exactly does the saltwater get into a sealed, triple encased watertight compartment specifically designed to be capable of being fully submerged like a submarine? Conversely, submerge an ICE engine and the water can enter via the intake and once in the engine, especially saltwater, is filled with said saltwater, it's finished. Not saying that would happen, but you seem to be making this out like its a common 'thing'. Sure looks like you're reaching for a dwindling bag of FUD straws...
Run over a hard object that puts a major dent on the bottom of the battery pack and your battery warranty is voided, to the tune of $30,000 USD OUT OF POCKET for ya to replace it. BEWARE, OUCH!!!
My 2022 Lightning , 62,500 miles in 2 years , total maintenance , 3 gallons of windshield washer fluid, and replaced tires just before winter at 59,500 miles (never rotated) Charge to 100% every nite on Ford Pro 80 amp charger (330 miles 8 months of the year) and 270 miles of range in winter. The Bluecruise is outstanding, driven probably 1/3 of miles in this mode. This is by far the best vehicle I have ever owner , and I have driven tons of vehicles.
300+ milage towing isn't too bad im impressed I thought it would be worse. My ram 2017 3500 gets 500 out of tank towing my jet boat 450 with my truck bed camper and boat. It better but not that much l, Can you charge your truck with a generator while on the road?
@@smokeshow1984 The Long ranger Range extender (20kW DC towed generator powered by a motorcycle engine in a tracking trailer) kind of died when Chevron sued the Toyota Rav4 EV out of existence over NiMH battery patents. Stock vehicles would need safety interlocks bypassed or worked around to charge while driving.
Great question. I did a video on the need for an aux. port for onboard charging while driving. Doesn't exist yet, but the OEMs need to get their butts in gear on this one: th-cam.com/video/GcgURdNOroc/w-d-xo.html I've also got a spring, 2025 overland video on the way using my Lightning vs. a diesel that is going to be an eye-opener. Stay tuned for that! The RAM 3500 is a beast work truck and is awesome for hauling/towing. The only downside is sure, you get great range, but not good efficiency for that range, & I have a good idea of how much it 'drinks' and how much it costs to fill those tanks from my business days (I presume you've got the two?).
Love this guy for telling the truth… And just subscribed. I have an EV truck and a Silverado 2500 HD.. -my EV truck rides better, and has more power. -My EV weighs about the same as my Chevy that tire wears the same -I wake up every day with over 300 miles of range, spent nothing to upgrade my electrical system. I’d pay $.11 per kilowatt hour to charge. I can go about three times as far for the same amount of money. -My LFP battery is estimated to last about 400,000 miles before it drops below 80%. By then the cost of a battery will be under $20 per kilowatt hour (about $1500), but I will probably buy a new truck or get a battery extender -My insurance is less with the EV plus it’s a safer vehicle and drives itself when I need it to. -I I have had it for about a year or about 20,000 miles and zero maintenance. My Chevy would have had three oil changes and a fuel filter… Very expensive! -the cost of replacing my Chevy is about $10,000 more than the EV, and in Colorado I can get up to $18,000 worth of incentives. Total is $28,000 less! -My solar panels can charge my EV for free! -it can get really cold in Colorado (down to -15°F, -26°C) and I’ve only noticed about a 10% decrease in battery capacity. -AND I am doing my part to save the planet… haters are gonna hate! BTW, TH-cam SUCKS FOR SELECTIVELY DELETING COMMENTS!!!
Thank you so much for such a great breakdown of your ev truck experience! This is the kind of info more individuals sitting on the fence need to read, especially when you own both an ICE truck and an ev. It's based on use case for the individual. Wonderful. So many excellent comments today! And thank you for supporting the channel. Welcome aboard! Please note that TH-cam doesn't randomly delete comments, they'll hold them for review if my channel's community guidelines are deemed broken and then I review them for release. Haven't got to them today, but rest assured I will.
I'm convinced that EV truck sales are going to just gradually but steadily increase year by year as people gradually become aware of all the benefits. At some point, maybe four or five years from now, the demand for ICE might crash pretty hard.
I’m an automotive technician. I wouldn’t recommend an EV to anyone as a primary vehicle, it’s a secondary vehicle and a luxury item. Any middle class person shouldn’t even consider it. Battery replacement on some models is $30,000-40,000
I need to start adding up how much time I'm actually saving by charging at home at night compared to refueling a gas car. Because with EVs most of us have the option of having a charger at home, but you can't have your own home gas pump.
Exactly! I always imagine some guy with a massive tidy tank strapped to the side of his house with a 100' hose running from a tanker truck up the driveway... You know, because evs are sooooo inconvenient... :-)
@@truckedupevs if every internal combustion car was replaced by an ev yes the roads would get destroyed much quicker and that is ''fact''. Dont forget to change your electric motors OIL every 48,000 km. by the way a transmission or motor for my 2014 honda crv lx fwd cost about 1,400 canadian. you couldnt beat those prices ever and my tires cost 115 canadian.
@@billybobbob3003 where is there any study or evidence of this? also my lightning manual doesn't list any fluid changes until 150,000 miles (transmission fluid)
-Cost or install and charger. $0 because of ford promise program. 60 amps at 48V -Cost lariat truck because of end of year discounts $55000 (less than Gas) 2024 purchased in November. -Had no issues with insurance but cost $200 more a year -Charge cost per kwh in New Hampshire .23/kwh. to Boston MA and back 100 miles is $9.35 in the winter. My last truck ranger cost me $15. and that brings me to 60% of battery. -Taxes cost $100 more a year because they want they gas tax. -As for batteries failing, there is a 8 year guaranty and i don't think i will have it for 8 years as i would just get a new truck before then -How long to wait for a charge. Well i never wait because i charge over night and never have an empty battery. Its not for everyone, but for me, 100% will never go back to gas
Great insight! I'm still driving an ALL ORIGINAL 2012 Mitsubishi IMIEV with the original battery pack, i live in Edmonton Alberta, so i know all to well about the crab bucket people
Ha! Crab bucket people. I like it. Nice with the IMIEV. Just goes to show how real world battery life is far outlasting original estimates. Thanks for the comment!
@@corradettimotorsports360 Yup. I panicked over the .88 pricing and really wanted available fast charging. Edit: my Leaf has 2 issues: 1. Defective passenger airbag sensor. Requires seat replacement to fix. 2. ON mode recently stopped bringing the HV system up. Still have not tracked that one down. HV system still comes up in charging and READY mode.
@@economicprisoner how are you liking the Leaf? I love the IMIEV, I got both the regular 110 charging and CHAdeMO systems, I have yet to do the CHAdeMO, but will in an upcoming video!
I have family in oil, and they could care less about EV's vs ICE, there is no threat to oil. Oil makes up almost everything we use, frankly gasoline and diesel are a pain, giant regulations, huge taxation. Oil will keep on rolling and quite smoothly as the EV transition unfolds. People still need to heat their homes, power plants still must burn fuel to make power, planes still fly. People still want clothes, plastics, paint, grease, soap, cleaning supplies, cant make any metals without fuel, so no...Big oil isn't fighting ev's People's reluctance to change is.
@@fwaynedavis I would have to somewhat disagree that the O&G industry doesn't feel threatened by evs. There's been a massive amount of misinformation traced back to the industry. However, I totally agree with your point. I make it often. My ev truck is partially made with oil byproducts. So are my tires. I drive on asphalt, and much of our day-to-day lives rely heavily on benefits provided by petroleum. The industry will keep right on doing what it does, but it hasn't exactly 'embraced' the electrification of transportation. A shining example of this is Northern Alberta where there is a concerted effort to limit ev adoption. So yeah, Big Oil IS resisting ev adoption as much as ppl's reluctance because a lot of that reluctance is borne from fear and doubt being in their minds, and a lot of that FUD has been pumped out by industry-funded sources and 'think tanks'.
Good video. In spite of FUD, more are warming up to evs as someone in their circle gets one and they get real life exposure. A friend took her sister's ev on a short road trip, she was "surprised" on how well it performed and now wants one. We got one because it is probable that costs over 10 years will be considerable less, performance and we like the idea of some energy independence. We have solar as well. I do admit to some that because the ev fleet is new, long term costs and longevity do not have solid stats to back them up. We do have plenty of anecdotal evidence that evs can take the mileage very well. Whats going to wear out first, the battery or the car? How long can these things be kept on the road? BTW, I'm not into mandates overall, but if we focused on air quality and its effect on health, maybe there is room for offering incentives or some sort of health tax in cities to move away from burning stuff. Key is to track air quality carefully and document health outcomes. Data is key.
@@leroyharder4491 yes! I’ve seen it first. Recently a hardcore old school fast and loud former race car driver couldn’t stop telling me how impressed he was when he took his first ride in a Tesla. That was the litmus test for me, if he can convert then the general public is easy pickings
Hahaha, love the sarcasm! I’m leasing a BMW i4, and it has been two amazing years without gas stations. I work an hour away, or about 60 miles from home, so for my daily commute, it has been a pleasant and rewarding experience, around $10 for 260 miles! Now I’m thinking about getting a truck, but a gas truck would cost me more than $300 in fuel weekly. Since I already have a 40-amp charger at home, it’s a no-brainer for me to go with an EV truck. I’m not sure how long it would take to charge the Lightning with a 40-amp charger, but my BMW takes about 8 hours, and the battery size is 70.2 kWh. If I get the F-150 extended range (131 kWh), I’m guessing it would take around 16 hours. It might be a good idea to install the 80-amp Ford charger instead.
Thanks for the support, David! I think you would be fine with the 40A. If you're plugging in every night and set the charge level to 80%, it doesn;t sound lik would come anywhere near draining below 20% in any given day. Sounds more like a 30~40% recharge per night, if that. That would put you at 80% the following morning without the upgrade. Could be wrong. You'd have to run your own #s, but I think you're golden already. Keep in touch on your future ev truck!
It’s hilarious that a few people get their feelings hurt, because of what type of vehicle someone chooses to drive. 🤪 I’ve been long distance road tripping my EV for 5 years and it’s not dramatically different than ICE, plus it continues to improve over time. Like you said, by the time you finish lunch or use the restroom, charging is complete. For day to day life, there’s nothing better than waking up every morning to a full “tank”. Thanks for the video, and for spreading the facts! Cheers!
I say this all the time. I was one of those people. Drove a Nissan Leaf in Canada once and was blown away by the torque an fun drive. Ordered a tesla soon after and after almost 4 years we have two in the family.
Thank you as always for your hard work in always supporting the facts and bringing them to light. I have owned my Lightning Lariat since July of 2022. 1. I have 27000 mile on it. 2. Rotated the tires 5 times and filled washer fluid. 3. Have not paid for fuel ( electricity) for 2/12 years because we have solar. 4. My truck came with the 80 amp charger, so I also purchased Ford’s intelligent backup power system. Works great when power goes off. I have been a Volkswagen tech for over 40 years. Still working full time and I see the ridiculous cost of owning an ice vehicle every day. People that drive ice vehicles will never realize how much safer and responsive EVs are in everyday driving. Just getting on and off highways and driving in traffic is so much easier and calmer. Thank you for being there.
@@michaelmackey754 I used the 110 charger on my Lightning for nearly two years until I moved into a new house. It was manageable with the amount that I drive. I installed the 80a ford charge station pro and wow. Game changer. I even lowered the max charging level since the truck can now recharge in just a few hours. So basically, being able to charge at a higher rate is convenient, being stuck with level one is still do-able
@ I have a level two charger also I just figure if I’m not driving my truck for three or four days. I might as well plug it in at 1:10 lol my lightning is a 2023 XLT and I love it. What year is yours and how do you like it?
So, I got my R1T in July and haven't experienced a full winter using it yet. I'm wondering about range when the heavy wet snow or what I call Slrupee(tm) from the sky. I think a fun video may be a 160km/100mi or so run in heavy wet snow to give an idea on range in the worst winter conditions. I think you get way more snow in BC than we do here in Detroit.
I really want L2 charging so that I can do overnight charging if I am driving for work every day. Considering making do with a NEMA 6-15 outlet though (so that I can reuse the NEMA 5-15 wiring). I would be limited to 2.9kW (240V, 12A): but that is still enough to fully charge my 2011 Leaf in about 8 hours, 9 if it is cold out and I want cabin pre-heating.
@@andyfeimsternfei8408 I don't at the moment. Hoping to go into the HVAC trade: which would likely have a new job site every day. In October I used about 308kWh, based on my charge log. That works out to 50km/day, assuming 20kWh/100km.
Not true….especially if you have 2 evs. This guy is driving 60 miles a month, that is not even 1000 miles a year. In the US on average we drive that much in 1 month.
Very good explanations for all the points Unfortunately, those who wrote those comments they are not interested in the truth they just spreading the same old nonsense roomers
Great video, I drive a 2023 Bolt and l love it. I love telling people the truth and seeing their head explode as they try to compute the truth as to the lies on the web.
My 65 year old Dad has an F-150 Lightning extended range. Also tows a 20ft open trailer with a Kubota 2x a week. Says it’s the best tow setup he’s had including Suburban 454.. that got 4mpg downhill. Here is the best part. It can power his home in the middle of nowhere for a few days while the power is out. It also nearly saved a basement from being flooded in the major storms in summer, he just arrived too late with the pump.
My 23 XLT with 43k km is at 99.5 percent battery state of health on carscanner. Out here on the salty east coast looks like the frame might give out before the battery. I sure hope I've traded the vehicle by then, that would be rough to still have it. Ford has done a great job on the battery durability to my understanding.
I think that with the aluminum body and the fully boxed in frame, you might also beat the rust demons! Tell me more about Carscanner. I'm very intrigued.
im at 48,000km or so on my stock tires on my lightning. I had them at the door rating and that was shit for my tread wear. I talked with a local tire expert and ran my tires at 48 psi in the front and 46 in the rear and saw an improvement in my km/kwhr efficiency and life of the tires
My stock tires show 51 psi max on them. Another guy on TH-cam said they should be run at 42 psi not standard tire 35 psi which I did for 1st 8k miles but then changed to 42 because as in the video I thought I saw possible edge wear which according to the guy was from low pressure. Any other thoughts you can offer ?
@@brita654 the tire expert I spoke to showed me how my tires were wearing faster than they would be if they had been inflated more than the door stamp. The door stamp is the same stamp they put on an ice f150 so it's not accurate for the extra weight of the lightning
Be careful bud, Southpark warned us about being this sarcastic... LOL! But thanks for busting these. The weight issue has been something making thee rounds so its nice to see from an actual truck EV owner that this is also overblown FUD. Also you mentioning that since coming back its been weeks since needing a charge is interesting to know. A lot of the other EV folks always make it seem like you need to have this hooked up at night or you are screwed. So its cool to hear they don't drain quickly if you are only using them lightly. Not going to lie, these vehicles are looking more appealing. My only wish is the government would open up the market to the Chinese EVs and really spark competition. I hate how North Americn companies have locked them out because they cant compete...
You definitely don't need to charge daily, unless you put a lot of km on. I do the average commute of 30km or so and during the summer i only plug my car in one day a week. In the winter i plug it in daily only because i sue the cabin pre heat feature so when i get in in the morning its all warm and ready to roll.
Haha! My parents encouraged me to develop a skill... I don't think this is what they had in mind. Nicely said on open markets. I agree. It didn't work in the 70s with Japanese product; and it won't work now.
Stop. He’s already dead. 2016 eGolf owner. Original battery, Midwest winters, driven daily. Bought 2 sets of tires (one set is for winter) and had to change brake pads and discs (from lack of use) one time. Oh, also keep needing to top up the washer fluid…😂
Yeah, I see these anti electric comments all the time. It's just people unable to deal with change. I like the ford electric. Mostly for the larger battery pack and range. But I also like the Bolt as a run about and of course its price. Still seriously considering an electric vehicle as I just don't drive that much these days. My longest trip would be the monthly trip to halifax airport for work, which is an hour twenty one way trip. Easily within any ev range. And just getting away from oil changes and gas price fluctuations would be great. Thanks for your videos. Its been good to see pro's and con's.
I may have missed something.I googled the Suburban but the Lightning ER weighs more according to it. About 500 lbs which to me doesnt sound like alarm bells. Now the Chevy RST is a bit different LOL. But the alarms should be goin off on Suburban 16 mpg combined WOAH !!! I currently have 18k miles on my original tires and I dont see anything wrong with them and neither did dealership 2 weeks ago where I had my ONLY service/repair/maintenance charge of 30 bucks to rotate tires. And with one pedal I have seen vids claiming I wont need the dreaded brake job til 100k or more(hoping). Never mind belts/chains/fluids and filter changes. Personally I believe in 5 yrs EVs will have better ranges and lighter batteries. Incrementally. Thats when they will go mainstream and there will be no FUD chuckers any more. As one guy pointed out they are tied to "environment" and sadly many people dont care about future generations(kids) just the bottom dollar today. I think the mandates are the right thing at the right time to get this ball rolling cuz people/big oil/big car industry dont like change, including me. But its at a point where the dollars are making big sense-pun intended. Yes we need more mainstream affordable models. Meanwhile I grew up on a somewhat busy secondary road in Boston area and after a year or two, our porch and INSIDE the vestibule entry and any furniture on the porch would get black soot dust on it. Not like snow but fine particulate black grey dust and it would need to be washed off , not dusted. Lungs? Doesnt happen at my house on Cape Cod. So it is surely from cars. And I wouldnt for a second miss the sound of monster V8s and souped up imports with ridiculous exhausts on them. Sometimes you have to pause when talking to someone lol.In the summer on The Cape you hear it all nite in town and off in the distance and you wonder at some of them how fast are they driving, like its a racetrack out there lol. Often I drive past neighborhoods on the highway and wonder how they deal with it and what kind of discount it would take for me to live there.Hell of a rant huh? Lovin the 2023 Lightning XLT ER!!
I just heard from a guy on the channel today who is at similar mileage with his Tesla, and his batteries are still at 92%. That's a testament to viability of evs overall. Thanks for the comment and Happy New Year!
Isn't the definition of a "failed" battery that it still has 80% capacity? I know the discharge isn't entirely linear, but if your stock range is ~400km, you'd still have 320km of range and the battery would be "failed". 320km is still more than enough to handle most folks' daily driving, even if you didn't have a warranty that covered a battery replacement at that point. I doubt I'm going to bother with a new battery when my PHEV's finally "dead" - I plan for it to be the last ICE I buy and I'd be better off putting that cost into a BEV when it finally gasps its last.
As always, you cut right through all the pedantic stuff and address the underlying truth. It's rather refreshing. Thanks Tara! Yeah, I'm of the same mind. However, if I can get a new pack prior to my warranty expiring, I'm milking it! The cool thing is the work being done already to re-purpose those 'failed' batteries. We are now reaching inventory levels where they are having an impact in the energy storage sector. In other words, like you said, they don't even need to be recycled; they just go from the automobile to a battery storage bank and do another ten~twenty years of service. So cool!
As far as tire wear goes, I came across something interesting a while ago. Engineers at Nokian found in EV testing that EVs may actually have LOWER tire wear than comparable ICE. This puzzled them, too, because they, too, were assuming that higher mass means faster wear. Yet the evidence was all there. The conclusion the engineers came to was that electric propulsion leads to FAR better traction in most conditions. That on both acceleration and deceleration traction is significantly, and it’s the breaking of that traction that accelerates wear.
Leave it to you to dig up cool stuff like this, Brett! The bottom line is it's not a big deal either way. It's just more FUD spewing to undermine a superior method of locomotion that threatens the billionaire O&G cartel. They're going the way of the dodo bird eventually.
As a Tesla owner currently living in Quebec, I loved this video (especially the sarcasm). Also enjoyed your cross Canada trek videos. Keep up the excellent anti-FUD work.
My 2023 Lightning XLT has 11,000 vehicles purchased 7 months ago. I pull my travel trailer at least twice a month and compared to my gas Denali this truck is a monster. Also, my brand new Lightning insurance is $10 more per year than my Denali.
Great video and enjoy the sarcasm. Tesla Model 3 owner in Wisconsin - I do not miss filling up an ICE vehicle at the gas station - especially in the winter. ABC always be charging, keeps it ready to go. Not going back to ICE.
Thanks Simon for hitting back at the doubters. However I doubt that they will pay any attention. MY Leaf has had virtually no maintenance over the last 7 years, mostly seasonal tire changes and washer fluid. We had to replace the Nokian all Weathers tires due to a sidewall puncture. They were replaced with Michelin equivalents. However the Nokian’s were noticeably more efficient. I am looking forward to my cross Canada trip this summer. When are you going to be in Newfoundland? I’m not sure that I will be in the area when you are but if so it would be nice to drive a few miles together. I plan to leave late May or early June and return late September, Newfoundland would be somewhere around mid July? That was a mad dash back across the country. I really enjoyed your narrative as you drove across the country. I do not have a VIN yet for my Lightning, should be in the next couple of weeks. When I get it maybe we can meet in Ossoyoos from a coffee? Sounds like my youth in Alberta driving from Edmonton to Red Deer for a coffee. Bob
Sounds like a great trip Bob! I'll have to leave the NFLD door open. I haven't secured a sponsor yet, and without one, I simply can't do it again. Also, I have a surprise up my sleeve and that also has to be negotiated and finalized. I won't have a departure date set until sometime in the spring, I'm guessing, but I will definitely notify you once the wheels are in motion - literally.
Screwed up on the reply, will try again. I hope that you can do the Newfoundland part of your tour. I will have to talk to you about setting up a TH-cam page. I want to have one for the family and anyone else interested in this trip. Not trying to make money as I think that is not really possible for me. Talk soon.
Excellent video - I now have almost 61,000 on my 2023 F-150 Lightning Lariat ER and my battery SoH is 98.5% after over 24 months, I put on one set of tires at about 45,000 mainly because I hit a piece of debris that took a scoop out of the sidewall of one of the front tires (and I wanted more aggressive tread anyway). No issues with anything other than a modem issue they corrected under warranty. Most I have spent on service in 2 years is a $170 four wheel alignment. Thanks for fighting the FUD 💩.
TH-cam is full of self-appointed experts who have never owned or even driven an EV but know everything wrong with them from other self-appointed experts on TH-cam.
Well, to be fair, I'm a self-appointed dumb-ass, er, 'expert' - but challenges the FUD - as every ev owner can do - because we own the darn things. Great point. Most of the FUD comes from those who either have an agenda, fear any kind of positive change, have never driven an ev or understands them, or a combination thereof.
At 54k in my lighting, the only issue I've had is my driver door handle freezes up on cold days.. of course we have seen lightnings brick after an update but its rare and also while updates roll out to segments of owners at a time.
Yeah, I've heard others have had the doors freeze, but let's put that down to EVERY automobile in Canada in the winter :-). My old Ranger required a blow-dryer on the door seals every morning in February LOL! Speaking of 'bricking', with so many chiops in modern autos, both ICEv and EVs have this problem - something most media fails to report on. Thanks for the comment Derek!
Love the video, love the sarcasm! I wish the FUD army would be forced to watch this video! I’m 14 months and 25,000 miles in with a Lightning Lariat ER. 3 tire rotations, a couple gallons of washer fluid, a cabin air filter, and one set of wipers in that time! Fuel cost has been 1/4 the price of my previous f250.
They're already out in full force calling the video 'inaccurate' as they cherry pick it for any 'reinterpretation' while completely avoiding the elephant in the room. Thanks for the support and congrats on your Lightning. I'll never go back to gas.
Love your vidéo!! Love the sarcasm so much too!😂 Our soon to be 11yo Tesla (next April) is at 224000km and degradation on the GOM is at 10% while the BMS calculates it at 6%. We recently got a Rivian R1S as well as we travel quite a lot, go hunting and fishing, pull the pontoon, etc, and the family is getting bigger. Winter range is better than I was expecting it to be. Love what Ford did with the Lightning too! All that power onboard! Congrats on yours! And keep up the great videos like this one! 👏
@truckedupevs we love ours, but the format is smaller than the Lightning. If you use the box on yours quite a bit, you might find the Riv to not be spacious enough. The power is quite amazing and the controls/features are Tesla like.
@@jamtap The R1T is the PERFECT adventure truck. I still drool over it. However, as a general work truck, nothing touches the Lightning. Nothing. I appreciate the comment, and your support!
@@jamtap Send me an email in the description above and I'll add you to my list of contacts by province. I will certainly reach out if I'm back your way.
I feel like you had waaaay too much fun recording this one. 😂 I definitely agree with you around charging. I’ve had a Mach-E since Oct ‘22 and I still charge using L1 (regular 110V plug). I only ever fast charge on road trips and usually I need a bio break about as often as the car needs a charge stop. Thankfully, I don’t need to stand there and freeze my nuts off pumping electrons so I just plug in, swear at whichever app is needed for 5 minutes, then head in and use the facilities, get a coffee, etc…Last I checked, my battery degradation was sitting at about 1%. What’s even better is because my car doesn’t emit poisonous chemicals out her rear end, on cold days, I can start the heater and pre-warm the cabin while she’s in the garage…without fear of…well…dying…
As an EV owner, I appreciate the effort put into these answers. As a person, I find your delivery hilarious! Thanks for the entertainment AND facts. I've had my Tesla Model 3 Long Range for 3.5yrs/129,000km. I've had no major issues. I had a seat sensor go (warranty), Some interior noises (Tesla-in-spec), brake pads delaminated during maintenance at 75k when I had Tesla clean and lube the brakes and had to replace the pads, some odd little computer glitches that a reboot or a software update over the air fixed. Tires have lasted longer than any vehicle I've ever owned and I drive spiritedly sometimes.
This is another real world account from a real world ev owner - and every time I hear generally the same story. High reliability, low maintenance, great tire and brake life; and huge cost savings. This is why fighting the FUD every step of the way - and even going so far as a little FUDster shaming every now an then - might start to break through all the crap and let others know that EVs simply rock. Thanks for supporting me and for checking out the channel!
Thanks! Well, it was SUPPOSED to be my TH-cam page, which lasted for the first several minutes and then decided to run my Roku TV Sceensaver. I'm a dumb fart who has an old Sony Bravia that likes to do its own thing rather than what I ask it to do. Figuring out how to turn the screensaver 'feature' off... :-)
ev's got linked to climate change. that's one of the main reasons for the hate. i tell everyone i could care less about the ice caps melting. i just love the torque, power and cost of running. i also don't like government trying to mandate ev's. we all know how people react when someone is trying to force something on them.
Yeah, but we've done mandates on ddt, pcbs, creosote, home coal burning, open fireplaces in residential housing, CFCs, and the list goes on. Ppl hated seat belt mandates and bike helmets. Now, ppl think its nuts not to use either. And requiring something be phased out is a lot different than a mandate. But your point is fully appreciated and I think you're right. I think that all one has to do to slow down ANY adoption is plant seeds of FUD. If ppl are scared of something, they won't change.
My brother brought up depreciation. He knows I'm replacing a 22 year old truck with a Lightning, so I just shrugged. Any depreciation is likely to be a huge problem for my estate.
Such a predictable progression. As EVs become more and more numerous, the fudknockers will just get more and more strident, until no one listens any more.
when i look at fords extended warranty i don't think bumper to bumper covers the 8 year 120k warranty on battery I think that's separate. regardless very low chance of failure any way. multiple ice engines would be replaced before a battery fails
There are 3 separate pkgs on aftermarket warranties. I'll have to look again, but it does go beyond the manufacturers' warranty. But you might be right; it might not be to the 200k km. I'll have to look again.
why not? I know a few people who have Lightnings and tow travel trailers. Most people go camping within 200km of their home anyway so no issue especially with a Flash.
@@3184Patrick Let's see. I want to pull my camper from Al to Daytona Beach. That's 5 stops or so at 88 miles per charge. Let's say 45 min per stop. So instead of 5 hours. Its a day long trip down and back. I have to unhook camper because most charging stations aren't set up for 40 foot rigs. Let's say I have 5 days off. That's 40% of my vacation. It might be fine pulling your camper to your local lake and back. But for me its a idiotic proposition.
@@vernedwards3492 is your camper/trailer 10,000lbs? cause the 88 miles of range is at max load. I know people that tow 4000lbs in a lightning and if you go 90kmh instead of 120 your range doesn't drop anywhere near as much. read some actual Lightning owners forums. they are getting 150miles of range towing "normal" sized 4000lbs trailers with the small battery. with a flash or bigger battery its much more. also most campgrounds you can plug in over night for free and leave fully charged vs in a gas having to go find a gastation.
One the best responces I’ve seen to the misinformation being spread by some uninformed individuals with little or no EV experience. If you don’t own and drive an EV, you have an opinion, not experience. If you want to know about EV use and owner ship, ask an EV owner. Great videos.
Is this the Canadian version of Robert Llewellyn's Almost Breaking News on the "Everything Electric" TH-cam channel rant? ;-) That is a big positive thumbs up. Absolutely brilliant, thank you.
Okay, that's a HUGE compliment to be placed in the same sentence as Robert! I aspire to be as fun, dedicated, and eloquent as him. I've got a ways to go. Thank you!
Another great video from a great channel. EV truck sales are going to keep growing, as people gradually become aware of all the advantages. (Your channel seems to be growing too!) There are currently six different models of EV pickup for sale in North America. And more on the way!
I was at a Tesla Supercharger and a woman came up to me and said - Wow that looks great, so what do you do for 6 hours while the car is charging? 😂 This was during my trip from Redondo beach California to Vancouver Canada. 🇨🇦
We have an EV as a second car (lease). We don't take it on long trips, but we can if we want to. It came with a level 2 charger, but we were already adding a second panel and upgrading due to a kitchen remodel. To hook up the charger, it cost us around $1200 US. We charge it at night and get some free DC fast charging. We pulled the O.E. tires off and put on Cross-climates so that we could drive in the winter. We have zero complaints, other than quirks with the brand. I'd rather drive an EV over a gas or diesel any day. We've had to buy 1 tire, my biggest complaint is the lack of a spare.
Thanks for the info on your experience! Yeah, not having a spare is a total joke. My truck came with a full-sized matching spare to the factory tires, so that was nice. What brand did you go with?
ugh... ev haters/naysayers... i run into them all the time and they swear i am lying when i tell them all the great things about them. at the rate of adoption, they'll eventually have a close friend or family member who will give them a first hand look/experience. they remind me of those flip phone owners who made fun of me when i got a smart phone. of course they all own a smart phone now. lol
@@truckedupevs I had the same thing but in my case I got the first larger size iPhone and they all called it a iPad. Now everyone has the larger phones. People don't like change until it becomes cool. Then every open will jump on board. In my case i don't really care about what other people say. Do your own damn research before you buy anything and you at least will know what your getting into. in the case of EVS, they have there place and in time will get better and bettter. But I love my Ford Lightning and will not be going back to gas.
@@economicprisoner I've abused the snot out of my Galaxy S23, including launching it off the roof of my moving truck, and it has managed to not crack the glass - yet. I blew up my share of Blackberries, but dropping some in the toilet is kind of a 'death knell' given....
You're lucky... A member of my family in Ontario (Forest) bought a Ford Lighning 2022.....so far (3) recall.......had to replace the Ford big charger......and also had to replace the battery at 30 000km Not to mention the cost is $120 000 with the extra range......only charge at home....never try a charging station
I'm not lucky. I'm the norm, according to stats. Sounds like your family member was unlucky. That's a serious exception, not the rule. Like every automobile ever made, there's always a lemon in the bunch, some more than others. Sorry to hear about that. I went through a similar experience years back with a VW Passat (I called it my Pashit). Two transmissions, two head gaskets, and the list goes on and on. Was a total dud. But a lot of folk who owned them loved them. I got the lemon that time. Thanks for sharing your experience.
My suggestion to everybody is, RENT one! No matter which vehicle you're interested in, rent one for at least a week, to make sure it actually works for you, before you make the $50,000 mistake. I rented a 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV, and even though its only front wheel drive, I'm spoiled. However, since I live on a steep hill in Northern Utah, I get snow. I'm in the process of leasing a 2024 Chevrolet Equinox EUV, just because it's the smallest thing with All Wheel Drive. The Bolt is only available as a front wheel drive. The Bolt had the range I wanted, with its 67 kWh battery, due to its efficiency. The Equinox will have similar range, even though it has two motors, and its bigger, it has an 86 kWh battery, which should give similar range. Anyone who hasn't actually rented and driven an EV for at least a week or more, can't be speaking from experience. (Just wait till I get my 54 300 watt polycrystalline solar panels up!) Can you drive for less than 5 cents per mile? WE CAN!!
I guess I’ll come clean too. We can’t get by with level 1 charging for our 2 F-150 Lightnings. Instead we charge with level 2 chargers that are usually set to 10a charging (about 2.4kw) and charge slowly overnight when demand is almost nonexistent. And though I haven’t yet had to replace a battery in either, you never know what the future may hold. Lucky for the gas and diesel truck drivers, replacement engines transmissions and even fuel are free. (I’ll have to fact check that last part). Haven’t needed tires just yet on mine.
Too much ignorance about electric vehicles. I have owned a 2023 lightning and it's awsome. Tires are great, insurance price almost the same as a gas car and have been away from the gas station for a year now.
Let's get really crazy in winter snow. See what trucks can circle in the snow at different speeds. The winner will be the one that gets you dizzy the fastest or g force your body out.
Good morning! New to your channel and thank you for all the great info thus far. I’m close to pulling the trigger on a Flash trim with the 9.6kW Onboard Pro Power but dealers have mostly the standard trim without the 2kW onboard power. How important is this option for overall use and resale? Thx for any guidance
Hi Dan, I'm just a dumb-ass with a truck, so not sure on the best resale vs. trims but most ppl that I know like having the extended range and extra versatility of the Po Power onboard. I've owned both and thing the standard range suits the needs fo a large % of truck folk. I used mine for work. Of course, it depends on your use case. I love having the extra onboard power, and never having to worry about hooking up a whole bunch of crap to my truck. Thanks for checking out the channel!
@ thanks for responding! I’ll wait to get the onboard Power and since I’m in Florida, it would be nice to peer the homes during loss of power from Hurricanes
As a guy that started with a base XLT standard range with the 9.6kw… it was great! But after a few months I traded it for a high spec XLT (now called flash) with the 9.6kw and extended range. Just buy the one you actually want first. Resale value is a farce. It doesn’t actually matter, it will be disappointing on virtually any vehicle anyway.
@@reoff78 thanks and this is true for allvehicles. Buy the one you want! Dealers are loaded with standard range XLTs and mostly all that’s left in my state are non 9.6kW models…apparently everyone is wanting the range and onboard power. Looks like I’m going to miss out on the free ford charger and install and the 0 for 72 which end tomorrow.
What I like about the videos is he actually has a ev and tests it and gives real life data. Not just a keyboard warrior spewing negative talking points. Very funny video I just found something for my bucket list …… peeing on a ev charger I think it will be number 10 though. Happy New Year
We in northern Ab currently -28c out use dirt on the roads for traction I have gone through 3 bottles of washer fluid just this month And $100 in electricity It is a MME though
That's pretty freakin' cold, and a pretty low cost, it seems, but of course I can't reference your range over that term. Are you happy with the cost? How much would you have used in that area for the same distance in gas? Is the MME a nice ride in winter?
@ we pay 4.99 per kw I drive 120 kms per day. Traded in my crv and was spending approximately 480 a month in fuel. The MME leaves a lot to be desired for the ride quality (it feels like an unloaded 3500) The actual amounts have used in electricity is 121 that’s my cost of electricity x2 to account for delivery fees etc. all that said I do actually like the car i wish it had a winter mode where it shut off the rear wheels there has been times that I pushed the accelerator a bit to much and the car did mustang things and tried to kill me
Would be interesting to see how much time you spent charging on your cross country trip. Hard to say with the filming and searching, but maybe the data, just the charge time and the average rate? And the differences in this data with a regular non FC. And a bonus of time spent trying to make a charger work, to do a comparison with ice refueling. Then over time we can see the improvement of charge time. Look at ice pumps, they are identical, they are not the absolute most efficient, but they reached their most required optimal state - the same mechanical device...just works, quickly.
Solid video, a bit too long or not quite accurate? push back. Misspoke? 3:19 "Need to charge ... dropped close to nil." Probably mean "fast" charge. Tire wear, emphasize and give better context for "performance" truck. Making edge wear normal? Misleading? warranty push back, in the case of Hyundai the above average warranty was voided once damage was done to the battery protection; they didn't even check if the battery itself was damaged! I am unaware of Ford details, but there will be limitations to that warranty that will be let downs vs common mechanical expectations. Inaccurate? Having an EV tech onsite does not speak to the limitations (if any) the dealership will have when it comes to battery replacement. Can they approve / action a module swap onsite currently?
Didn't misspeak. Charging has dropped close to nil at home, not fast charging. Tire wear perfectly explained. Every warranty has stipulations, along with every single ICE warranty. Looks like you're doing some typical FUDster cherry picking to try to avoid the elephant in the room and the overwhelming facts of the video.
@@truckedupevs Thx on reply, actually I'm a BEV super fan; my elders cherry pick FUD against EV's I do my best to correct them. (I'm a happy PHEV owner) I'm such a BEV fan I went to the trouble of calculating what it would take for ICE Corolla to lose vs BEV on worst U.S. grid (2021 Oahu). For driving 10k miles / 16.1k km requires unfair Ford Lightning comparison overnight charge (7756 lbs) vs Corolla 32 mpg (7653 lbs) fueled on the mainland! (Oahu fuel has unknown upstream extra emissions not included in EPA typical emissions calc) Awkward sure, but I use this to emphasize to folks how many thumbs need to be on the scales to get EV's to "lose" to inefficient ICE. 2022 US worst grid became Puerto Rico as Hawaii aggressively shifts Green away from expensive Libyan oil. (Russia embargo) Could make for a decent EV truck, similar themed, video premise? (I can reach out if interested in data, 2021 Lightning loss becomes 2023 win?) May want to take a second look at my post, its genuine BEV enthusiast feedback to tweak the claims to avoid overstepping and clarify (performance) EV reality. Much less driving cannot logically result in "close to nil" charging, L1 charging good enough sure, referencing "nil" or even close to it is inappropriate and knocks the video credibility IMO. And if you're practically not driving, sorry then its Not a worthwhile Baseline example... except perhaps re: downsizing car ownership.
@@RoyBoy2019 No, it doesn't. I am charging close to nil. Sorry that's difficult for you to process, but the POINT was that we don't need to install a Level 2 currently anyway, and the cost is nothing for the 'charging infrastructure' at our house.The POINT, which everyone else seems to be getting, is that it's pure FUD with this garbage about massive costs to charge at home. I'll post what I post based on my real-world use - and my real world charging use is currently close to nil. When that changes, I'll charge more. Geez, buddy - let it go.
@@truckedupevs I understand those points and mostly live them. Hence my "Solid video" opener and why YT recommended the channel. Suppose you know your brand and audience better than I. Appreciate the engagement.
i dont think the extended warranty extends the battery beyond 160k km btw, at least thats what i was told by the dealer. your 200k is for everything else like suspension etc
I think the one that I have does. I didn't buy Ford's here in Canada. But it's worth a 2nd look. I doubt it will ever be something I need to worry about, but you've got me curious.
Gas hats are funny that they think an EV is more expensive, and break down more. I had a bolt for 4 years and put 160k km on it and only got new tires for it at 115k km and when I sold it the battery life was at 99%, also my breaks were still at 85% for the original set and it only went down that much because when I wife drove it she was not comfortable with the one peddle driving, and had not other maintenance done on it. Now I have the Silverado EV for 5 months now and I am at 35k km, and my wife puts on 1k km a week for work. The cost for a charger 19kw and the installation will be about $1500 and that is because I am buying a fast level 2 if it was an average on it would only cost $800. And for right now I use public level 3 chargers and the cost is half what I was paying for a gas truck I had. For insurance I am only paying $10 more for the 2024 Silverado EV RST FE than the 2016 Jeep Cherokee Sport. Which is funny because the cost of the Silverado was 4 times the cost than the jeep and not current cost it is when originally bought. Here is an example of the time I spend charging. While traveling to Florida I stop at a Buc-ees and plug in walk into the store, use the rest room grab something to eat walk out to the truck unplug and leave, I would spend more time getting gas because if there is a line up you would have to wait then sit at the pump to pump the gas before you could go in.
Thanks for sharing your ev Journey (love the Silverado ev, by the way)! It’s nice to know someone else has experienced the long-term reliability and low maintenance costs EVs can offer.
I find an EV truck even more compelling than an EV car. The noise reduction, performance improvement, and addition of covered storage space via the frunk are all more compelling in a truck than in a car. I have an F150 Lightning and love it. Yes, towing long distance is not a good use case, but for pretty much everything else it's great as long as you can set up home charging. I don't think we should be trying to ban or eliminate gas, but an EV can be a great choice for a lot of people. I haven't used gas in many years; even my yard equipment is all electric now. I added rooftop solar to my home to cover the added electricity use.
At one time Tesla has such limited availability that they crazily retained their prices. Not so much now as there’s so many of them. It’s all about supply and demand.
I left EV ownership as the Kia Soul EV lost 20% of capacity to degradation in just 60K km in 3 years. At that rate that 2016 couldn’t get me to work and back in the winter and charging options were expensive in downtown Toronto. Now range isn’t the issue it once was I still fear degradation but I see countless stories of Teslas with 3-10% degradation but after 200K km. How is Ford? I’d really like to get a Mach -E in 2026 when my lease on my work ICE comes due. Maybe even the Rivian R2. Degradation is my only EV fear.
If you look in the description, you'll find one link to one of many research papers that is showing modern evs far outlasting the OEMs own targets for battery degradation. You accurately noted what other cse studies found with the Teslas. Batteries are lasting 30~40% longer than anticipated. What is also interesting is that most evs will drive 3~4x further than a leaf of Kia soul from 2016, so even with a new battery battery today eventually only holding 70% of its original SoC, it could still drive for years at over twice the range of a 2016 Kia Soul or Leaf! What is considered 'failed' might still work for many drivers for another decade or so. As mentioned in the video, Ford backs up its eDrive and battery pack for 8 years or 160,000km standard. The packs are also modular, so one doesn;t have to replace the whole thing if one module faults or degrades too fast. And battery prices are plummeting. So. based on all those factors, if and when your MachE ever needed a module replaced, it would either be covered under warranty, or the price of battery replacement might be so inexpensive that you might opt to replace the whole pack instead of the faulty module. I like having that kind of choice with Ford and GM's packs.
"When something's strange in the comment section... Who you gonna call? FUD-Busters!" Great video, These trolls and their strawman arguments are easy to torch because they make such outlandish statements that you'd have be insane to believe lie 1 much less 23, 24 or 25...
LMAO! I started humming along :-) Actually, a LOT of people won't buy one because it only takes a bit of fear uncertainty & doubt to stop someone in their tracks. Unfortunately, the FUD Chuckers have had a slowing effect on ev sales for sure. It doesn't help to have a Cybertruck exploding in front of a Trump hotel either. Although in the same day, dozens - possibly hundreds - of ICE vehicles caught fire. which will never make the news.
My Model S eats tires! 15k miles front 25k rear .. Michelin PS4’s expensive.. but I’m ok with that… 9 years old never been near a garage for service.. just wiper blades, tires and cabin filters! Just had battery tested and after 9yrs and 2 months… 92%…!!!
You know, I don't think we should even be on the defensive about this. My question to the anti-EV folks: what threatens you so much about EV's? Seriously... it's just a new technology for making a car move. If you really think it sucks so much, why go on a pro-EV channel and go full on ignorant FUD rant? Just let us enjoy our cars, because frankly I love my EV. What exactly about EV's has you anti-EV folks so shaken and so afraid? Let's talk about that for a change. You guys explain YOURselves.
I agree 100%. If I wasn't such a dorkhead, I might actually find a way to embrace your approach. But if you read through my blocked and held comments by YT, you might forgive me for developing a 'slight curmudgeony' approach to the anti-ev FUDster crowd. Thank you for adding reason and a level head to this conversation. Every ev owner appreciates it.
As a technician I want people to have the most reliable product possible. I cannot recommend EV’s for that reason. A simple electrical problem can leave you stranded, unable to charge and you will be waiting longer for less common parts. An Ice vehicle is extremely fault tolerant and can get you home 9/10 times. We have had EV models waiting over 6 months for batteries. I work with 20 other technicians, not a single one chooses an EV model for a personal vehicle.
I try not to be too much of a dorkface - although it does come naturally or me - but sometimes, the FUDsters just need a good kick in the soft spots. Thanks for watching and congrats on your EV SUV!
My 2016 Model X 90D, with 153,462 miles and a weight of 5,381 lbs, is on its fifth set of tires over the course of my ownership. I am still using the original battery, but it only holds about 81% of its original capacity. Nevertheless, I don't stop for fast charging; I charge at home daily to 90%, except for the rare occasions when I forget to plug it in. I just rotated my tires over the weekend, and my original brakes are still within standards due to how little I need to press the brakes while driving. I commute to the office five times a week, covering 148 miles each day. I choose to drive that far because I love my house, and it would cost me an additional $500,000 to find a comparable one within half the distance to work. When I decided to switch to an electric vehicle (EV), I traded in my 2009 GMC Sierra pickup with 183,000 miles, which cost me about $1,100 per month in gasoline and $50 per month in oil and brake pad changes. The truck had two transmission replacements and a rear differential replacement over its lifetime. During my ownership of the Tesla, I've had to replace both the front and rear drive motors. However, both were replaced around 110,000 miles under warranty, not due to failure, but because the internal drive bearings were starting to make noise. They were replaced for free out of convenience. Switching to an EV has saved me money. The savings in gas and maintenance alone were more than the car payment for the Tesla, which was more expensive than the pickup truck. Initially, I paid for the electricity to charge the Tesla, but since then, I have invested in solar panels on the garage. This investment has further reduced costs by offsetting not only the cost of charging the Tesla but also most of the electricity consumed by the house. The cost of the solar investment is less than what we used to pay for the monthly electric bill, and it is nearly paid off already. If I were to experience a battery failure in the near future, I couldn't complain. Vehicles wear out over time as expected. After speaking with an electrified garage near us, they quoted a refurbished battery replacement for under $10,000 with a five-year warranty, which is comparable to the cost I incurred for replacing the two transmissions and rear differential on the pickup.
@@truckedupevs Just FYI, I found your videos due to doing research on the Ford Lightning, been thinking about picking up one as a replacement for the Model X. The discounts just make it pretty ideal right now with the price of my Tesla still fairly high with the miles it has still. They offered me $17,500 for it as a trade in for a Lariat 2023 they had on the lot locally, but I tried to ink more out of them to match some of the deals others have been getting and someone bought it while I was negotiating for it further.. One aspect i was kinda annoyed with during the test drive was the constant nagging for me to put my hands on the wheel with the adaptive cruise w/lane centering on. I had them on the wheel like i do driving all my vehicles, it just was unhappy with that position and kept disengaging on me.
If you own/buy a ev truck and your happy with its performance and range thats great... but lets face it you don't really need a truck a small suv with a small trailer for occasional use would do you just fine. Don't have space for a trailer? Uhaul. A truck is for working i own a deleted 3500 cummins 6.7 manual, there is no current ev out there that gives me the same performance, reliability, range as it, and i use it. Hell i get 650-700km a tank heavy/and towing (900km+ empty) and i still have enough range anxiety to carry a spare jerry can in case i get stuck on a mountain pass and have to turn around or detour. I am not against ev it just isn't good enough for me, although i am keeping a eye on Edisons hybrid packages.
Yeah i have a a old gas truck and since i made a 5x8 utility trailer i never use my truck anymore. I tow the trailer behind my FWD Hyundai Ioniq EV and it does great.
Edison is doing some really cool things. I met him at the Fully Charged event in Vancouver when Sandy Munro was interviewing him. Hey, like I said in the video, you're the 20% where an ev truck doesn't make sense for those seriously tough applications. However, I do use my truck as a truck ,as do many contractors in my area - and they are far more hard-core work trucks than mine, many exploiting the onboard power for electrical/plumbing/mechanical work onsite. I'll be featuring some of them in upcoming videos so I hope you'll stick around to check them out. You raise a great point about the rigth tool for the use case. Thanks again for commenting.
I get crap wrong, and I'm a one-person gig - but I do my best. The wonderful thing is that my Trucked Up community are an incredibly smart bunch, and obvious thinkers. Between them catching my boo-boos and telling their stories, this channel is becoming a safe spot for ppl seeking info on ev trucks. I couldn't be happier.
Assuming TH-cam still exists in 30, 40 or 50 years from now, it will be great for people to look back at these historic videos and wonder why some people were so against EVs.
The 200 amp service is totally unnecessary - What? - I have 100 amp service if I wanted to put in a level 2 charger the most I have to do (for simplicity) is put in a three way switch OFF-DRIER-TYPE 2 Plug. I have an electric car - where a number 1 charger that came with my car and it is more than sufficient 99.9% of the time unless I am on an extended road trip. So where can you get a Level 2 charger for $500 bucks? I am thinking of doing a road trip across Canada this Summer and I think it could come in useful when I am camping.
Same. Thought I would need 200amp service for our Tesla charger, electrician said it wasn’t necessary. 100amp has been plenty because it charges during the night. 4 months and 12,000kms and we are not going back to ice.
Most of that tire wear is caused by a weight problem. Yep, you read that right. The LEAD in the right foot of the driver clearly has a relationships to tire wear. So it is a "weight" problem! ROFL People like to stomp on that go pedal cause it is so much fun, but who knew that would wear out your tires? LOL Don't discourage the EV truck prices falling. I am waiting for a screaming DEAL! SHHHHHHH! Bring on the EV depreciation blood bath! ROFL "Wait, wait, wait... You say I will just plug in at home and NEVER have to go to a charger?" But but but... What if I am too lazy to plug in? Now what? Yep, same people who walk around with a dead cell phone all the time... Some people shouldn't own EVs! LOL
Hahaha it seems you had fun putting this one together! EVs are similar to cell phones, if you can't plug them in at night because you're away from home well, you need to anticipate and carry a charger. EVs will be updated OTA and revolutionize our life soon. Parts market, repair shops and others need to adapt, fight will soon be over.
I had a lot of fun. :-) If one can't plug in & is away from home, usually ppl simply park and drive in the morning anyway, winter or summer. It's not like the battery is dying or 'leaking'; it just gets less efficient. The cell phone is a good analogy in that it loses efficiency when cold, but now take that capacity and times if by several thousand. Unless an ev owner is close to 'empty' when they park most evs will last multiple days, even in the cold not being plugged in, which simply means hitting a fast charger before arriving or before leaving. Then again, almost every place one goes in N. America has a 110 outlet and can be used to trickle charge overnight.
CORRECTION: Please note that the list of vehicles over 6,000lbs came from the eligible list of vehicles under US Section 179 deduction (I only highlighted vehicles 6,500lbs & higher to be generally in line with the Lightning). However, this list turns out to include the GVW, which means some of these in the list will weigh under the dry weight of the Lightning. Still, the point stands that many of the most popular ICE vehicles sold in N. America weigh the same or more than the most popular EVs (also note that ev trucks are the heaviest of light duty passenger evs).
I strive to always deliver accurate information and wish to thank my amazing Trucked Up Folk for catching these boo-boos!
Please share your experience with you ev regarding these 'facts' about the downsides of ev trucks. Thanks as always!
Just don't drive it through a flood
@@Terry-q7y That's correct. Gas & diesel trucks are terrible in floods. They stall, get water in the block and transmission and seize up. Thank goodness I own an ev truck and don't have a problem crossing rivers, ponds and flooded areas, which I've done often in the mountains.
Oh, hold on....you're not a FUD troll talking out of your other steaming orifice about something you have no idea about because you've never even driven an ev or fact-checked any of the crap-feed you spew, are you? Nah, you couldn't be that dumb. Sorry for even implying it.
@@truckedupevs If salt water gets in the battery make sure you can run fast
@@Terry-q7y Oh, now we've moved on to saltwater ingress from normal flooding. So, how exactly does the saltwater get into a sealed, triple encased watertight compartment specifically designed to be capable of being fully submerged like a submarine? Conversely, submerge an ICE engine and the water can enter via the intake and once in the engine, especially saltwater, is filled with said saltwater, it's finished. Not saying that would happen, but you seem to be making this out like its a common 'thing'.
Sure looks like you're reaching for a dwindling bag of FUD straws...
Run over a hard object that puts a major dent on the bottom of the battery pack and your battery warranty is voided, to the tune of $30,000 USD OUT OF POCKET for ya to replace it. BEWARE, OUCH!!!
My 2022 Lightning , 62,500 miles in 2 years , total maintenance , 3 gallons of windshield washer fluid, and replaced tires just before winter at 59,500 miles (never rotated)
Charge to 100% every nite on Ford Pro 80 amp charger (330 miles 8 months of the year) and 270 miles of range in winter.
The Bluecruise is outstanding, driven probably 1/3 of miles in this mode.
This is by far the best vehicle I have ever owner , and I have driven tons of vehicles.
300+ milage towing isn't too bad im impressed I thought it would be worse.
My ram 2017 3500 gets 500 out of tank towing my jet boat 450 with my truck bed camper and boat. It better but not that much l, Can you charge your truck with a generator while on the road?
@@smokeshow1984 The Long ranger Range extender (20kW DC towed generator powered by a motorcycle engine in a tracking trailer) kind of died when Chevron sued the Toyota Rav4 EV out of existence over NiMH battery patents.
Stock vehicles would need safety interlocks bypassed or worked around to charge while driving.
Nice stuff, Bob! Thanks for reinforcing the facts!
Great question.
I did a video on the need for an aux. port for onboard charging while driving. Doesn't exist yet, but the OEMs need to get their butts in gear on this one: th-cam.com/video/GcgURdNOroc/w-d-xo.html
I've also got a spring, 2025 overland video on the way using my Lightning vs. a diesel that is going to be an eye-opener. Stay tuned for that!
The RAM 3500 is a beast work truck and is awesome for hauling/towing. The only downside is sure, you get great range, but not good efficiency for that range, & I have a good idea of how much it 'drinks' and how much it costs to fill those tanks from my business days (I presume you've got the two?).
@@BobVittengl And now recalled. Terrific.
The amount of sarcasm in this video is amazing. I'm glad that more people are starting to fight against the big oil fud machine.
ONe of my nicknames is the 'Royal Curmudgeon'. My mama always said to hone a skill...
Love this guy for telling the truth… And just subscribed. I have an EV truck and a Silverado 2500 HD..
-my EV truck rides better, and has more power.
-My EV weighs about the same as my Chevy that tire wears the same
-I wake up every day with over 300 miles of range, spent nothing to upgrade my electrical system. I’d pay $.11 per kilowatt hour to charge. I can go about three times as far for the same amount of money.
-My LFP battery is estimated to last about 400,000 miles before it drops below 80%. By then the cost of a battery will be under $20 per kilowatt hour (about $1500), but I will probably buy a new truck or get a battery extender
-My insurance is less with the EV plus it’s a safer vehicle and drives itself when I need it to.
-I I have had it for about a year or about 20,000 miles and zero maintenance. My Chevy would have had three oil changes and a fuel filter… Very expensive!
-the cost of replacing my Chevy is about $10,000 more than the EV, and in Colorado I can get up to $18,000 worth of incentives. Total is $28,000 less!
-My solar panels can charge my EV for free!
-it can get really cold in Colorado (down to -15°F, -26°C) and I’ve only noticed about a 10% decrease in battery capacity.
-AND I am doing my part to save the planet… haters are gonna hate!
BTW, TH-cam SUCKS FOR SELECTIVELY DELETING COMMENTS!!!
Thank you so much for such a great breakdown of your ev truck experience! This is the kind of info more individuals sitting on the fence need to read, especially when you own both an ICE truck and an ev. It's based on use case for the individual. Wonderful. So many excellent comments today!
And thank you for supporting the channel. Welcome aboard!
Please note that TH-cam doesn't randomly delete comments, they'll hold them for review if my channel's community guidelines are deemed broken and then I review them for release. Haven't got to them today, but rest assured I will.
I'm convinced that EV truck sales are going to just gradually but steadily increase year by year as people gradually become aware of all the benefits.
At some point, maybe four or five years from now, the demand for ICE might crash pretty hard.
Bravo sir! Well said and great delivery! People need to be educated about EVs because the big OIL is spewing out nonsense
Thank you!
I’m an automotive technician. I wouldn’t recommend an EV to anyone as a primary vehicle, it’s a secondary vehicle and a luxury item. Any middle class person shouldn’t even consider it.
Battery replacement on some models is $30,000-40,000
I need to start adding up how much time I'm actually saving by charging at home at night compared to refueling a gas car. Because with EVs most of us have the option of having a charger at home, but you can't have your own home gas pump.
Exactly! I always imagine some guy with a massive tidy tank strapped to the side of his house with a 100' hose running from a tanker truck up the driveway...
You know, because evs are sooooo inconvenient...
:-)
You can install a natural gas pump at home.
Just gotta get the natural gas conversion which is about $5-10k.
@@truckedupevs if every internal combustion car was replaced by an ev yes the roads would get destroyed much quicker and that is ''fact''. Dont forget to change your electric motors OIL every 48,000 km. by the way a transmission or motor for my 2014 honda crv lx fwd cost about 1,400 canadian. you couldnt beat those prices ever and my tires cost 115 canadian.
This is a good point. The only reason we have to stop at gas stations and waste time there is for snacks/drinks.
@@billybobbob3003 where is there any study or evidence of this? also my lightning manual doesn't list any fluid changes until 150,000 miles (transmission fluid)
-Cost or install and charger. $0 because of ford promise program. 60 amps at 48V
-Cost lariat truck because of end of year discounts $55000 (less than Gas) 2024 purchased in November.
-Had no issues with insurance but cost $200 more a year
-Charge cost per kwh in New Hampshire .23/kwh. to Boston MA and back 100 miles is $9.35 in the winter. My last truck ranger cost me $15. and that brings me to 60% of battery.
-Taxes cost $100 more a year because they want they gas tax.
-As for batteries failing, there is a 8 year guaranty and i don't think i will have it for 8 years as i would just get a new truck before then
-How long to wait for a charge. Well i never wait because i charge over night and never have an empty battery.
Its not for everyone, but for me, 100% will never go back to gas
Nicely done!
Great insight! I'm still driving an ALL ORIGINAL 2012 Mitsubishi IMIEV with the original battery pack, i live in Edmonton Alberta, so i know all to well about the crab bucket people
Ha! Crab bucket people. I like it.
Nice with the IMIEV. Just goes to show how real world battery life is far outlasting original estimates.
Thanks for the comment!
I was so close to buying that thing (could be the same one if you bought it this spring).
Went for the 2011 Leaf with 50% more battery instead.
@@economicprisoner I think so, was it at Don Wheaton? I got a video on the car on my channel, so far been loving it, zero issues!
@@corradettimotorsports360 Yup.
I panicked over the .88 pricing and really wanted available fast charging.
Edit: my Leaf has 2 issues:
1. Defective passenger airbag sensor. Requires seat replacement to fix.
2. ON mode recently stopped bringing the HV system up. Still have not tracked that one down. HV system still comes up in charging and READY mode.
@@economicprisoner how are you liking the Leaf? I love the IMIEV, I got both the regular 110 charging and CHAdeMO systems, I have yet to do the CHAdeMO, but will in an upcoming video!
Too much oil money out there in the interweb land. They are fighting progress with everything they have.😮
Well said.
I have family in oil, and they could care less about EV's vs ICE, there is no threat to oil. Oil makes up almost everything we use, frankly gasoline and diesel are a pain, giant regulations, huge taxation. Oil will keep on rolling and quite smoothly as the EV transition unfolds. People still need to heat their homes, power plants still must burn fuel to make power, planes still fly. People still want clothes, plastics, paint, grease, soap, cleaning supplies, cant make any metals without fuel, so no...Big oil isn't fighting ev's People's reluctance to change is.
@fwaynedavis yes but for some reason the right wing types atleast in the U.S. are dead set against ev cars, windmills, solar etc
@@fwaynedavis I would have to somewhat disagree that the O&G industry doesn't feel threatened by evs. There's been a massive amount of misinformation traced back to the industry. However, I totally agree with your point. I make it often. My ev truck is partially made with oil byproducts. So are my tires. I drive on asphalt, and much of our day-to-day lives rely heavily on benefits provided by petroleum. The industry will keep right on doing what it does, but it hasn't exactly 'embraced' the electrification of transportation. A shining example of this is Northern Alberta where there is a concerted effort to limit ev adoption. So yeah, Big Oil IS resisting ev adoption as much as ppl's reluctance because a lot of that reluctance is borne from fear and doubt being in their minds, and a lot of that FUD has been pumped out by industry-funded sources and 'think tanks'.
@@truckedupevs Ahh Alberta, The Texas of Canada! How would you compare ride of the Ford vs ICE F-150?
Good video. In spite of FUD, more are warming up to evs as someone in their circle gets one and they get real life exposure. A friend took her sister's ev on a short road trip, she was "surprised" on how well it performed and now wants one. We got one because it is probable that costs over 10 years will be considerable less, performance and we like the idea of some energy independence. We have solar as well. I do admit to some that because the ev fleet is new, long term costs and longevity do not have solid stats to back them up. We do have plenty of anecdotal evidence that evs can take the mileage very well. Whats going to wear out first, the battery or the car? How long can these things be kept on the road?
BTW, I'm not into mandates overall, but if we focused on air quality and its effect on health, maybe there is room for offering incentives or some sort of health tax in cities to move away from burning stuff. Key is to track air quality carefully and document health outcomes. Data is key.
@@leroyharder4491 yes! I’ve seen it first. Recently a hardcore old school fast and loud former race car driver couldn’t stop telling me how impressed he was when he took his first ride in a Tesla.
That was the litmus test for me, if he can convert then the general public is easy pickings
Hahaha, love the sarcasm! I’m leasing a BMW i4, and it has been two amazing years without gas stations. I work an hour away, or about 60 miles from home, so for my daily commute, it has been a pleasant and rewarding experience, around $10 for 260 miles! Now I’m thinking about getting a truck, but a gas truck would cost me more than $300 in fuel weekly. Since I already have a 40-amp charger at home, it’s a no-brainer for me to go with an EV truck. I’m not sure how long it would take to charge the Lightning with a 40-amp charger, but my BMW takes about 8 hours, and the battery size is 70.2 kWh. If I get the F-150 extended range (131 kWh), I’m guessing it would take around 16 hours. It might be a good idea to install the 80-amp Ford charger instead.
Thanks for the support, David!
I think you would be fine with the 40A. If you're plugging in every night and set the charge level to 80%, it doesn;t sound lik would come anywhere near draining below 20% in any given day. Sounds more like a 30~40% recharge per night, if that. That would put you at 80% the following morning without the upgrade. Could be wrong. You'd have to run your own #s, but I think you're golden already.
Keep in touch on your future ev truck!
Personally, I’d wait for the reduced price Cybertruck, I hear they’ve already outsold the lightning in one year!
@@tonyshipton8896the thing is that I can’t stand the cybertruck design, personal preference!
Not sure if they will make the uk.. ever….!
It’s hilarious that a few people get their feelings hurt, because of what type of vehicle someone chooses to drive. 🤪
I’ve been long distance road tripping my EV for 5 years and it’s not dramatically different than ICE, plus it continues to improve over time. Like you said, by the time you finish lunch or use the restroom, charging is complete. For day to day life, there’s nothing better than waking up every morning to a full “tank”.
Thanks for the video, and for spreading the facts!
Cheers!
Wow. You made my morning. Thanks for the support!
The biggest complainers don’t own or have ever driven an ev.
Bingo!
I say this all the time. I was one of those people. Drove a Nissan Leaf in Canada once and was blown away by the torque an fun drive. Ordered a tesla soon after and after almost 4 years we have two in the family.
Thank you as always for your hard work in always supporting the facts and bringing them to light.
I have owned my Lightning Lariat since July of 2022.
1. I have 27000 mile on it.
2. Rotated the tires 5 times and filled washer fluid.
3. Have not paid for fuel ( electricity) for 2/12 years because we have solar.
4. My truck came with the 80 amp charger, so I also purchased Ford’s intelligent backup power system. Works great when power goes off.
I have been a Volkswagen tech for over 40 years. Still working full time and I see the ridiculous cost of owning an ice vehicle every day.
People that drive ice vehicles will never realize how much safer and responsive EVs are in everyday driving. Just getting on and off highways and driving in traffic is so much easier and calmer.
Thank you for being there.
Thank you so much, Robert! You are living my dream life. Congratulations. Driving for free! I wish more people would red your post. Excellent comment.
You've got Canadian George Carlin energy. I miss George Carlin. Sub'd lol.
Now THAT is a compliment! Thank you, sir. I miss him too.
I charge my lighting with a 110 outlet 1.2 kw …great video!
@@michaelmackey754 I used the 110 charger on my Lightning for nearly two years until I moved into a new house. It was manageable with the amount that I drive. I installed the 80a ford charge station pro and wow. Game changer. I even lowered the max charging level since the truck can now recharge in just a few hours. So basically, being able to charge at a higher rate is convenient, being stuck with level one is still do-able
@ I have a level two charger also I just figure if I’m not driving my truck for three or four days. I might as well plug it in at 1:10 lol my lightning is a 2023 XLT and I love it. What year is yours and how do you like it?
Just clicked over 100,000 kms on my Lightning! Just did the tires at 95K, Lightnings win all day!
Nice!
I will say this, that this guy has done his homework 😊
Thanks for the support.
So, I got my R1T in July and haven't experienced a full winter using it yet. I'm wondering about range when the heavy wet snow or what I call Slrupee(tm) from the sky. I think a fun video may be a 160km/100mi or so run in heavy wet snow to give an idea on range in the worst winter conditions. I think you get way more snow in BC than we do here in Detroit.
Stay tuned! More on the way. Mike!
Congrats on your Rivian. Great truck!
99% of anyone's driving can be met with 120V level 1 charging.
Yup.
I really want L2 charging so that I can do overnight charging if I am driving for work every day.
Considering making do with a NEMA 6-15 outlet though (so that I can reuse the NEMA 5-15 wiring). I would be limited to 2.9kW (240V, 12A): but that is still enough to fully charge my 2011 Leaf in about 8 hours, 9 if it is cold out and I want cabin pre-heating.
@jamesphillips2285 how far do you drive daily?
@@andyfeimsternfei8408 I don't at the moment. Hoping to go into the HVAC trade: which would likely have a new job site every day.
In October I used about 308kWh, based on my charge log. That works out to 50km/day, assuming 20kWh/100km.
Not true….especially if you have 2 evs. This guy is driving 60 miles a month, that is not even 1000 miles a year. In the US on average we drive that much in 1 month.
Very good explanations for all the points
Unfortunately, those who wrote those comments they are not interested in the truth they just spreading the same old nonsense roomers
Great video, I get upset with the fudgees, when I post a video as well. You said it perfectly. Stay safe.
Thank you Darryl. Between the two of us, we'll de-FUDify the Tube! :-)
Great and truthful video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video, I drive a 2023 Bolt and l love it. I love telling people the truth and seeing their head explode as they try to compute the truth as to the lies on the web.
My wife does the same with hers. Thanks Dave!
Great job. I drive a 2022 kia Niro ev I have put over 120,000 miles on it and have spent next to nothing on maintenance.
Nicely done!
My 65 year old Dad has an F-150 Lightning extended range. Also tows a 20ft open trailer with a Kubota 2x a week. Says it’s the best tow setup he’s had including Suburban 454.. that got 4mpg downhill.
Here is the best part. It can power his home in the middle of nowhere for a few days while the power is out. It also nearly saved a basement from being flooded in the major storms in summer, he just arrived too late with the pump.
Your dad's experience is what it's all about.
My 23 XLT with 43k km is at 99.5 percent battery state of health on carscanner. Out here on the salty east coast looks like the frame might give out before the battery. I sure hope I've traded the vehicle by then, that would be rough to still have it. Ford has done a great job on the battery durability to my understanding.
I think that with the aluminum body and the fully boxed in frame, you might also beat the rust demons!
Tell me more about Carscanner. I'm very intrigued.
im at 48,000km or so on my stock tires on my lightning. I had them at the door rating and that was shit for my tread wear. I talked with a local tire expert and ran my tires at 48 psi in the front and 46 in the rear and saw an improvement in my km/kwhr efficiency and life of the tires
My stock tires show 51 psi max on them. Another guy on TH-cam said they should be run at 42 psi not standard tire 35 psi which I did for 1st 8k miles but then changed to 42 because as in the video I thought I saw possible edge wear which according to the guy was from low pressure. Any other thoughts you can offer ?
@@brita654 the tire expert I spoke to showed me how my tires were wearing faster than they would be if they had been inflated more than the door stamp. The door stamp is the same stamp they put on an ice f150 so it's not accurate for the extra weight of the lightning
Be careful bud, Southpark warned us about being this sarcastic... LOL! But thanks for busting these. The weight issue has been something making thee rounds so its nice to see from an actual truck EV owner that this is also overblown FUD. Also you mentioning that since coming back its been weeks since needing a charge is interesting to know. A lot of the other EV folks always make it seem like you need to have this hooked up at night or you are screwed. So its cool to hear they don't drain quickly if you are only using them lightly. Not going to lie, these vehicles are looking more appealing. My only wish is the government would open up the market to the Chinese EVs and really spark competition. I hate how North Americn companies have locked them out because they cant compete...
You definitely don't need to charge daily, unless you put a lot of km on. I do the average commute of 30km or so and during the summer i only plug my car in one day a week. In the winter i plug it in daily only because i sue the cabin pre heat feature so when i get in in the morning its all warm and ready to roll.
Haha! My parents encouraged me to develop a skill...
I don't think this is what they had in mind.
Nicely said on open markets. I agree. It didn't work in the 70s with Japanese product; and it won't work now.
Exactly.
Stop. He’s already dead.
2016 eGolf owner. Original battery, Midwest winters, driven daily. Bought 2 sets of tires (one set is for winter) and had to change brake pads and discs (from lack of use) one time. Oh, also keep needing to top up the washer fluid…😂
Golden! That was like one of those 'Priceless' MC commercials...
:-)
Yeah, I see these anti electric comments all the time. It's just people unable to deal with change.
I like the ford electric. Mostly for the larger battery pack and range. But I also like the Bolt as a run about and of course its price. Still seriously considering an electric vehicle as I just don't drive that much these days. My longest trip would be the monthly trip to halifax airport for work, which is an hour twenty one way trip. Easily within any ev range. And just getting away from oil changes and gas price fluctuations would be great. Thanks for your videos. Its been good to see pro's and con's.
Thanks Jack! I'm glad you enjoy the videos.
I may have missed something.I googled the Suburban but the Lightning ER weighs more according to it. About 500 lbs which to me doesnt sound like alarm bells. Now the Chevy RST is a bit different LOL. But the alarms should be goin off on Suburban 16 mpg combined WOAH !!! I currently have 18k miles on my original tires and I dont see anything wrong with them and neither did dealership 2 weeks ago where I had my ONLY service/repair/maintenance charge of 30 bucks to rotate tires. And with one pedal I have seen vids claiming I wont need the dreaded brake job til 100k or more(hoping). Never mind belts/chains/fluids and filter changes. Personally I believe in 5 yrs EVs will have better ranges and lighter batteries. Incrementally. Thats when they will go mainstream and there will be no FUD chuckers any more. As one guy pointed out they are tied to "environment" and sadly many people dont care about future generations(kids) just the bottom dollar today. I think the mandates are the right thing at the right time to get this ball rolling cuz people/big oil/big car industry dont like change, including me. But its at a point where the dollars are making big sense-pun intended. Yes we need more mainstream affordable models. Meanwhile I grew up on a somewhat busy secondary road in Boston area and after a year or two, our porch and INSIDE the vestibule entry and any furniture on the porch would get black soot dust on it. Not like snow but fine particulate black grey dust and it would need to be washed off , not dusted. Lungs? Doesnt happen at my house on Cape Cod. So it is surely from cars. And I wouldnt for a second miss the sound of monster V8s and souped up imports with ridiculous exhausts on them. Sometimes you have to pause when talking to someone lol.In the summer on The Cape you hear it all nite in town and off in the distance and you wonder at some of them how fast are they driving, like its a racetrack out there lol. Often I drive past neighborhoods on the highway and wonder how they deal with it and what kind of discount it would take for me to live there.Hell of a rant huh? Lovin the 2023 Lightning XLT ER!!
My Tesla is at almost 200,000km and hasn’t failed yet. Who would have thought?😂
I just heard from a guy on the channel today who is at similar mileage with his Tesla, and his batteries are still at 92%. That's a testament to viability of evs overall.
Thanks for the comment and Happy New Year!
Thx for sharing this good information. It needs to be said. Nice work 👍
Appreciate you taking the time to watch and share your thoughts!
Isn't the definition of a "failed" battery that it still has 80% capacity? I know the discharge isn't entirely linear, but if your stock range is ~400km, you'd still have 320km of range and the battery would be "failed". 320km is still more than enough to handle most folks' daily driving, even if you didn't have a warranty that covered a battery replacement at that point. I doubt I'm going to bother with a new battery when my PHEV's finally "dead" - I plan for it to be the last ICE I buy and I'd be better off putting that cost into a BEV when it finally gasps its last.
As always, you cut right through all the pedantic stuff and address the underlying truth. It's rather refreshing. Thanks Tara!
Yeah, I'm of the same mind. However, if I can get a new pack prior to my warranty expiring, I'm milking it!
The cool thing is the work being done already to re-purpose those 'failed' batteries. We are now reaching inventory levels where they are having an impact in the energy storage sector. In other words, like you said, they don't even need to be recycled; they just go from the automobile to a battery storage bank and do another ten~twenty years of service. So cool!
As far as tire wear goes, I came across something interesting a while ago. Engineers at Nokian found in EV testing that EVs may actually have LOWER tire wear than comparable ICE. This puzzled them, too, because they, too, were assuming that higher mass means faster wear. Yet the evidence was all there.
The conclusion the engineers came to was that electric propulsion leads to FAR better traction in most conditions. That on both acceleration and deceleration traction is significantly, and it’s the breaking of that traction that accelerates wear.
Leave it to you to dig up cool stuff like this, Brett!
The bottom line is it's not a big deal either way. It's just more FUD spewing to undermine a superior method of locomotion that threatens the billionaire O&G cartel. They're going the way of the dodo bird eventually.
@@truckedupevs Mind you, there IS a caveat: if you dip into that delicious EV torque too often, all bets are off 🤣
@@Thunderbuck I know nothing about the rubber patch running from my house to the school zone....
@@truckedupevs 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a Tesla owner currently living in Quebec, I loved this video (especially the sarcasm). Also enjoyed your cross Canada trek videos. Keep up the excellent anti-FUD work.
Thank you so much for supporting the channel, and congrats on your Tesla!
Answer: ask your friend who already has an EV. They are very common these days...
Nice!
My 2023 Lightning XLT has 11,000 vehicles purchased 7 months ago. I pull my travel trailer at least twice a month and compared to my gas Denali this truck is a monster. Also, my brand new Lightning insurance is $10 more per year than my Denali.
Nice!
Great video and enjoy the sarcasm. Tesla Model 3 owner in Wisconsin - I do not miss filling up an ICE vehicle at the gas station - especially in the winter. ABC always be charging, keeps it ready to go. Not going back to ICE.
Thanks Simon for hitting back at the doubters. However I doubt that they will pay any attention. MY Leaf has had virtually no maintenance over the last 7 years, mostly seasonal tire changes and washer fluid. We had to replace the Nokian all Weathers tires due to a sidewall puncture. They were replaced with Michelin equivalents. However the Nokian’s were noticeably more efficient.
I am looking forward to my cross Canada trip this summer. When are you going to be in Newfoundland? I’m not sure that I will be in the area when you are but if so it would be nice to drive a few miles together. I plan to leave late May or early June and return late September, Newfoundland would be somewhere around mid July? That was a mad dash back across the country. I really enjoyed your narrative as you drove across the country.
I do not have a VIN yet for my Lightning, should be in the next couple of weeks. When I get it maybe we can meet in Ossoyoos from a coffee? Sounds like my youth in Alberta driving from Edmonton to Red Deer for a coffee.
Bob
Sounds like a great trip Bob! I'll have to leave the NFLD door open. I haven't secured a sponsor yet, and without one, I simply can't do it again. Also, I have a surprise up my sleeve and that also has to be negotiated and finalized. I won't have a departure date set until sometime in the spring, I'm guessing, but I will definitely notify you once the wheels are in motion - literally.
@@truckedupevs
Screwed up on the reply, will try again.
I hope that you can do the Newfoundland part of your tour. I will have to talk to you about setting up a TH-cam page. I want to have one for the family and anyone else interested in this trip. Not trying to make money as I think that is not really possible for me. Talk soon.
Excellent video - I now have almost 61,000 on my 2023 F-150 Lightning Lariat ER and my battery SoH is 98.5% after over 24 months, I put on one set of tires at about 45,000 mainly because I hit a piece of debris that took a scoop out of the sidewall of one of the front tires (and I wanted more aggressive tread anyway). No issues with anything other than a modem issue they corrected under warranty. Most I have spent on service in 2 years is a $170 four wheel alignment. Thanks for fighting the FUD 💩.
Perfect example of real-world numbers. Ifothers could just hear from ppl like you, so many more would make the switch. It's a no-brainer for many.
TH-cam is full of self-appointed experts who have never owned or even driven an EV but know everything wrong with them from other self-appointed experts on TH-cam.
Well, to be fair, I'm a self-appointed dumb-ass, er, 'expert' - but challenges the FUD - as every ev owner can do - because we own the darn things. Great point. Most of the FUD comes from those who either have an agenda, fear any kind of positive change, have never driven an ev or understands them, or a combination thereof.
@@truckedupevs You've proven yourself an expert here. Happy New Year!
60 seconds in and you have a new subscriber! lol Roll that beautiful bean footage!!
Thank you kindly! Welcome aboard!
Thanks!
Thank you Chris! This matters so much for the channel!
At 54k in my lighting, the only issue I've had is my driver door handle freezes up on cold days.. of course we have seen lightnings brick after an update but its rare and also while updates roll out to segments of owners at a time.
Yeah, I've heard others have had the doors freeze, but let's put that down to EVERY automobile in Canada in the winter :-). My old Ranger required a blow-dryer on the door seals every morning in February LOL!
Speaking of 'bricking', with so many chiops in modern autos, both ICEv and EVs have this problem - something most media fails to report on.
Thanks for the comment Derek!
Love the video, love the sarcasm! I wish the FUD army would be forced to watch this video!
I’m 14 months and 25,000 miles in with a Lightning Lariat ER. 3 tire rotations, a couple gallons of washer fluid, a cabin air filter, and one set of wipers in that time! Fuel cost has been 1/4 the price of my previous f250.
They're already out in full force calling the video 'inaccurate' as they cherry pick it for any 'reinterpretation' while completely avoiding the elephant in the room.
Thanks for the support and congrats on your Lightning. I'll never go back to gas.
Love your vidéo!! Love the sarcasm so much too!😂 Our soon to be 11yo Tesla (next April) is at 224000km and degradation on the GOM is at 10% while the BMS calculates it at 6%. We recently got a Rivian R1S as well as we travel quite a lot, go hunting and fishing, pull the pontoon, etc, and the family is getting bigger. Winter range is better than I was expecting it to be. Love what Ford did with the Lightning too! All that power onboard! Congrats on yours! And keep up the great videos like this one! 👏
Thank you so much for the support, and thrilled that you're enjoying the videos! I wanted one of those Rivians...
@truckedupevs we love ours, but the format is smaller than the Lightning. If you use the box on yours quite a bit, you might find the Riv to not be spacious enough. The power is quite amazing and the controls/features are Tesla like.
@@jamtap The R1T is the PERFECT adventure truck. I still drool over it.
However, as a general work truck, nothing touches the Lightning.
Nothing.
I appreciate the comment, and your support!
@@truckedupevs if you ever come back near Ottawa someday, give me a shout! Would really like to chat and learn more about your journey! Cheers
@@jamtap Send me an email in the description above and I'll add you to my list of contacts by province. I will certainly reach out if I'm back your way.
I feel like you had waaaay too much fun recording this one. 😂
I definitely agree with you around charging. I’ve had a Mach-E since Oct ‘22 and I still charge using L1 (regular 110V plug). I only ever fast charge on road trips and usually I need a bio break about as often as the car needs a charge stop. Thankfully, I don’t need to stand there and freeze my nuts off pumping electrons so I just plug in, swear at whichever app is needed for 5 minutes, then head in and use the facilities, get a coffee, etc…Last I checked, my battery degradation was sitting at about 1%.
What’s even better is because my car doesn’t emit poisonous chemicals out her rear end, on cold days, I can start the heater and pre-warm the cabin while she’s in the garage…without fear of…well…dying…
I was drunk for most of it...
Okay, no, I'm bs'ing again...
'bio break'! LMAO!
I'd need a catheter if I went the full charge range...
I love the Mach E. Bold move by Ford.
As an EV owner, I appreciate the effort put into these answers.
As a person, I find your delivery hilarious! Thanks for the entertainment AND facts.
I've had my Tesla Model 3 Long Range for 3.5yrs/129,000km. I've had no major issues. I had a seat sensor go (warranty), Some interior noises (Tesla-in-spec), brake pads delaminated during maintenance at 75k when I had Tesla clean and lube the brakes and had to replace the pads, some odd little computer glitches that a reboot or a software update over the air fixed.
Tires have lasted longer than any vehicle I've ever owned and I drive spiritedly sometimes.
This is another real world account from a real world ev owner - and every time I hear generally the same story. High reliability, low maintenance, great tire and brake life; and huge cost savings. This is why fighting the FUD every step of the way - and even going so far as a little FUDster shaming every now an then - might start to break through all the crap and let others know that EVs simply rock.
Thanks for supporting me and for checking out the channel!
Great points! Thanks for the video. What's that screen saver running in the background?
Thanks! Well, it was SUPPOSED to be my TH-cam page, which lasted for the first several minutes and then decided to run my Roku TV Sceensaver. I'm a dumb fart who has an old Sony Bravia that likes to do its own thing rather than what I ask it to do.
Figuring out how to turn the screensaver 'feature' off...
:-)
Hilarious. Some people don't get it or are pushing their own agenda.
My lightning is cheaper to insure than my wife's 2018 Hyundai Santa Fe
Sounds about right. Those pesky facts...
ev's got linked to climate change. that's one of the main reasons for the hate. i tell everyone i could care less about the ice caps melting. i just love the torque, power and cost of running. i also don't like government trying to mandate ev's. we all know how people react when someone is trying to force something on them.
Yeah, but we've done mandates on ddt, pcbs, creosote, home coal burning, open fireplaces in residential housing, CFCs, and the list goes on. Ppl hated seat belt mandates and bike helmets. Now, ppl think its nuts not to use either. And requiring something be phased out is a lot different than a mandate.
But your point is fully appreciated and I think you're right. I think that all one has to do to slow down ANY adoption is plant seeds of FUD. If ppl are scared of something, they won't change.
Great video! Subscribed! I always support BC-related EV content 👏
Thank you for the support and the kind words!
My brother brought up depreciation. He knows I'm replacing a 22 year old truck with a Lightning, so I just shrugged. Any depreciation is likely to be a huge problem for my estate.
Such a predictable progression. As EVs become more and more numerous, the fudknockers will just get more and more strident, until no one listens any more.
when i look at fords extended warranty i don't think bumper to bumper covers the 8 year 120k warranty on battery I think that's separate. regardless very low chance of failure any way. multiple ice engines would be replaced before a battery fails
There are 3 separate pkgs on aftermarket warranties. I'll have to look again, but it does go beyond the manufacturers' warranty. But you might be right; it might not be to the 200k km. I'll have to look again.
@@vvarLEADER not a 2004 diesel vw :p
I have no problem with electric vehicles. As long as you don't buy an electric F150 to tow a travel trailer you are probably good.
why not? I know a few people who have Lightnings and tow travel trailers. Most people go camping within 200km of their home anyway so no issue especially with a Flash.
@@3184Patrick Let's see. I want to pull my camper from Al to Daytona Beach. That's 5 stops or so at 88 miles per charge. Let's say 45 min per stop. So instead of 5 hours. Its a day long trip down and back. I have to unhook camper because most charging stations aren't set up for 40 foot rigs. Let's say I have 5 days off. That's 40% of my vacation. It might be fine pulling your camper to your local lake and back. But for me its a idiotic proposition.
@@vernedwards3492 is your camper/trailer 10,000lbs? cause the 88 miles of range is at max load. I know people that tow 4000lbs in a lightning and if you go 90kmh instead of 120 your range doesn't drop anywhere near as much. read some actual Lightning owners forums. they are getting 150miles of range towing "normal" sized 4000lbs trailers with the small battery. with a flash or bigger battery its much more. also most campgrounds you can plug in over night for free and leave fully charged vs in a gas having to go find a gastation.
Thank you and happy new year.
Happy new year Kevin!
One the best responces I’ve seen to the misinformation being spread by some uninformed individuals with little or no EV experience.
If you don’t own and drive an EV, you have an opinion, not experience.
If you want to know about EV use and owner ship, ask an EV owner.
Great videos.
Wow! That made my cranium swell up (I better not let it go to my head too much).
Thanks for the support!
Is this the Canadian version of Robert Llewellyn's Almost Breaking News on the "Everything Electric" TH-cam channel rant? ;-)
That is a big positive thumbs up. Absolutely brilliant, thank you.
Okay, that's a HUGE compliment to be placed in the same sentence as Robert! I aspire to be as fun, dedicated, and eloquent as him. I've got a ways to go.
Thank you!
As a Lightning owner I’m convinced I’ll never buy another ICE vehicle. Totally happy with electric. 😊
You and me both!
Another great video from a great channel.
EV truck sales are going to keep growing, as people gradually become aware of all the advantages. (Your channel seems to be growing too!)
There are currently six different models of EV pickup for sale in North America. And more on the way!
Thanks David! Yeah, as choices increase and the word gets out, I think we'll see nothing but increased adoption.
I was at a Tesla Supercharger and a woman came up to me and said - Wow that looks great, so what do you do for 6 hours while the car is charging? 😂 This was during my trip from Redondo beach California to Vancouver Canada. 🇨🇦
I know! It's nuts what people have been fooled into believing. Thanks for the comment, and checking out our '51st State'!
We have an EV as a second car (lease). We don't take it on long trips, but we can if we want to. It came with a level 2 charger, but we were already adding a second panel and upgrading due to a kitchen remodel. To hook up the charger, it cost us around $1200 US. We charge it at night and get some free DC fast charging. We pulled the O.E. tires off and put on Cross-climates so that we could drive in the winter. We have zero complaints, other than quirks with the brand. I'd rather drive an EV over a gas or diesel any day. We've had to buy 1 tire, my biggest complaint is the lack of a spare.
Thanks for the info on your experience!
Yeah, not having a spare is a total joke. My truck came with a full-sized matching spare to the factory tires, so that was nice. What brand did you go with?
@@truckedupevs We leased an ID.4.
Great! Best case for EVs ever stated!
Glad you liked it!
ugh... ev haters/naysayers... i run into them all the time and they swear i am lying when i tell them all the great things about them. at the rate of adoption, they'll eventually have a close friend or family member who will give them a first hand look/experience. they remind me of those flip phone owners who made fun of me when i got a smart phone. of course they all own a smart phone now. lol
We're the I-phone owners being laughed at by the Blackberry crowd...
"Patience, Grasshopper, patience..."
:-)
@@truckedupevs I had the same thing but in my case I got the first larger size iPhone and they all called it a iPad. Now everyone has the larger phones. People don't like change until it becomes cool. Then every open will jump on board. In my case i don't really care about what other people say. Do your own damn research before you buy anything and you at least will know what your getting into. in the case of EVS, they have there place and in time will get better and bettter. But I love my Ford Lightning and will not be going back to gas.
I still don't like the smart phones.
Way too much glass to reliably survive a drop.
@@RcGuy4Life Well said.
@@economicprisoner I've abused the snot out of my Galaxy S23, including launching it off the roof of my moving truck, and it has managed to not crack the glass - yet. I blew up my share of Blackberries, but dropping some in the toilet is kind of a 'death knell' given....
You're lucky...
A member of my family in Ontario (Forest) bought a Ford Lighning 2022.....so far (3) recall.......had to replace the Ford big charger......and also had to replace the battery at 30 000km
Not to mention the cost is $120 000 with the extra range......only charge at home....never try a charging station
I'm not lucky. I'm the norm, according to stats. Sounds like your family member was unlucky. That's a serious exception, not the rule. Like every automobile ever made, there's always a lemon in the bunch, some more than others.
Sorry to hear about that. I went through a similar experience years back with a VW Passat (I called it my Pashit). Two transmissions, two head gaskets, and the list goes on and on. Was a total dud. But a lot of folk who owned them loved them. I got the lemon that time.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
My suggestion to everybody is, RENT one! No matter which vehicle you're interested in, rent one for at least a week, to make sure it actually works for you, before you make the $50,000 mistake. I rented a 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV, and even though its only front wheel drive, I'm spoiled. However, since I live on a steep hill in Northern Utah, I get snow. I'm in the process of leasing a 2024 Chevrolet Equinox EUV, just because it's the smallest thing with All Wheel Drive. The Bolt is only available as a front wheel drive. The Bolt had the range I wanted, with its 67 kWh battery, due to its efficiency. The Equinox will have similar range, even though it has two motors, and its bigger, it has an 86 kWh battery, which should give similar range.
Anyone who hasn't actually rented and driven an EV for at least a week or more, can't be speaking from experience. (Just wait till I get my 54 300 watt polycrystalline solar panels up!) Can you drive for less than 5 cents per mile? WE CAN!!
Great advice!
I guess I’ll come clean too. We can’t get by with level 1 charging for our 2 F-150 Lightnings. Instead we charge with level 2 chargers that are usually set to 10a charging (about 2.4kw) and charge slowly overnight when demand is almost nonexistent. And though I haven’t yet had to replace a battery in either, you never know what the future may hold. Lucky for the gas and diesel truck drivers, replacement engines transmissions and even fuel are free. (I’ll have to fact check that last part). Haven’t needed tires just yet on mine.
Haha! You may want to check your sources :-).
Thanks for the awesome comment.
😂😂this video just earned my subscription 😂😂
Thank you so much! Glad to have you along for the ride!
Too much ignorance about electric vehicles. I have owned a 2023 lightning and it's awsome. Tires are great, insurance price almost the same as a gas car and have been away from the gas station for a year now.
Let's get really crazy in winter snow. See what trucks can circle in the snow at different speeds. The winner will be the one that gets you dizzy the fastest or g force your body out.
Good morning! New to your channel and thank you for all the great info thus far. I’m close to pulling the trigger on a Flash trim with the 9.6kW Onboard Pro Power but dealers have mostly the standard trim without the 2kW onboard power. How important is this option for overall use and resale? Thx for any guidance
Hi Dan, I'm just a dumb-ass with a truck, so not sure on the best resale vs. trims but most ppl that I know like having the extended range and extra versatility of the Po Power onboard. I've owned both and thing the standard range suits the needs fo a large % of truck folk. I used mine for work. Of course, it depends on your use case. I love having the extra onboard power, and never having to worry about hooking up a whole bunch of crap to my truck.
Thanks for checking out the channel!
@ thanks for responding! I’ll wait to get the onboard Power and since I’m in Florida, it would be nice to peer the homes during loss of power from Hurricanes
As a guy that started with a base XLT standard range with the 9.6kw… it was great! But after a few months I traded it for a high spec XLT (now called flash) with the 9.6kw and extended range. Just buy the one you actually want first. Resale value is a farce. It doesn’t actually matter, it will be disappointing on virtually any vehicle anyway.
@@reoff78 thanks and this is true for allvehicles. Buy the one you want! Dealers are loaded with standard range XLTs and mostly all that’s left in my state are non 9.6kW models…apparently everyone is wanting the range and onboard power. Looks like I’m going to miss out on the free ford charger and install and the 0 for 72 which end tomorrow.
What I like about the videos is he actually has a ev and tests it and gives real life data. Not just a keyboard warrior spewing negative talking points. Very funny video I just found something for my bucket list …… peeing on a ev charger I think it will be number 10 though. Happy New Year
If you drink beer and then pee on it, maybe wrap it in tin foil and attach a ground wire?
DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME, KIDDIES!
hehe.
We in northern Ab currently -28c out use dirt on the roads for traction I have gone through 3 bottles of washer fluid just this month
And $100 in electricity
It is a MME though
That's pretty freakin' cold, and a pretty low cost, it seems, but of course I can't reference your range over that term. Are you happy with the cost? How much would you have used in that area for the same distance in gas?
Is the MME a nice ride in winter?
@ we pay 4.99 per kw I drive 120 kms per day. Traded in my crv and was spending approximately 480 a month in fuel.
The MME leaves a lot to be desired for the ride quality (it feels like an unloaded 3500)
The actual amounts have used in electricity is 121 that’s my cost of electricity x2 to account for delivery fees etc. all that said I do actually like the car i wish it had a winter mode where it shut off the rear wheels there has been times that I pushed the accelerator a bit to much and the car did mustang things and tried to kill me
@@personincomments $4.99 per kw?? I think that might be a typo.
@@truckedupevs $0.499 per kw
This was 25:03 minutes ill never get back. But guess what. I'm perfectly happy to not get it back. It was great my man. Keep em straight. ❤ 💯 👍
I will gladly continue to burn away the hours of my revered Trucked Up Folk, my friend! If you keep watching, I'll keep posting :-)
Would be interesting to see how much time you spent charging on your cross country trip. Hard to say with the filming and searching, but maybe the data, just the charge time and the average rate? And the differences in this data with a regular non FC. And a bonus of time spent trying to make a charger work, to do a comparison with ice refueling. Then over time we can see the improvement of charge time. Look at ice pumps, they are identical, they are not the absolute most efficient, but they reached their most required optimal state - the same mechanical device...just works, quickly.
I don't have that kind of time or resources available. However, Out of Spec has a team and does videos like that.
@@truckedupevs i guess there are too many apps to pull that data from, if they even have history
Solid video, a bit too long or not quite accurate? push back.
Misspoke? 3:19 "Need to charge ... dropped close to nil." Probably mean "fast" charge.
Tire wear, emphasize and give better context for "performance" truck. Making edge wear normal?
Misleading? warranty push back, in the case of Hyundai the above average warranty was voided once damage was done to the battery protection; they didn't even check if the battery itself was damaged! I am unaware of Ford details, but there will be limitations to that warranty that will be let downs vs common mechanical expectations.
Inaccurate? Having an EV tech onsite does not speak to the limitations (if any) the dealership will have when it comes to battery replacement. Can they approve / action a module swap onsite currently?
Didn't misspeak. Charging has dropped close to nil at home, not fast charging. Tire wear perfectly explained. Every warranty has stipulations, along with every single ICE warranty. Looks like you're doing some typical FUDster cherry picking to try to avoid the elephant in the room and the overwhelming facts of the video.
@@truckedupevs Thx on reply, actually I'm a BEV super fan; my elders cherry pick FUD against EV's I do my best to correct them. (I'm a happy PHEV owner) I'm such a BEV fan I went to the trouble of calculating what it would take for ICE Corolla to lose vs BEV on worst U.S. grid (2021 Oahu). For driving 10k miles / 16.1k km requires unfair Ford Lightning comparison overnight charge (7756 lbs) vs Corolla 32 mpg (7653 lbs) fueled on the mainland! (Oahu fuel has unknown upstream extra emissions not included in EPA typical emissions calc)
Awkward sure, but I use this to emphasize to folks how many thumbs need to be on the scales to get EV's to "lose" to inefficient ICE. 2022 US worst grid became Puerto Rico as Hawaii aggressively shifts Green away from expensive Libyan oil. (Russia embargo) Could make for a decent EV truck, similar themed, video premise? (I can reach out if interested in data, 2021 Lightning loss becomes 2023 win?)
May want to take a second look at my post, its genuine BEV enthusiast feedback to tweak the claims to avoid overstepping and clarify (performance) EV reality. Much less driving cannot logically result in "close to nil" charging, L1 charging good enough sure, referencing "nil" or even close to it is inappropriate and knocks the video credibility IMO. And if you're practically not driving, sorry then its Not a worthwhile Baseline example... except perhaps re: downsizing car ownership.
@@RoyBoy2019 No, it doesn't. I am charging close to nil. Sorry that's difficult for you to process, but the POINT was that we don't need to install a Level 2 currently anyway, and the cost is nothing for the 'charging infrastructure' at our house.The POINT, which everyone else seems to be getting, is that it's pure FUD with this garbage about massive costs to charge at home. I'll post what I post based on my real-world use - and my real world charging use is currently close to nil. When that changes, I'll charge more. Geez, buddy - let it go.
@@truckedupevs I understand those points and mostly live them. Hence my "Solid video" opener and why YT recommended the channel.
Suppose you know your brand and audience better than I. Appreciate the engagement.
i dont think the extended warranty extends the battery beyond 160k km btw, at least thats what i was told by the dealer. your 200k is for everything else like suspension etc
I think the one that I have does. I didn't buy Ford's here in Canada. But it's worth a 2nd look. I doubt it will ever be something I need to worry about, but you've got me curious.
Gas hats are funny that they think an EV is more expensive, and break down more. I had a bolt for 4 years and put 160k km on it and only got new tires for it at 115k km and when I sold it the battery life was at 99%, also my breaks were still at 85% for the original set and it only went down that much because when I wife drove it she was not comfortable with the one peddle driving, and had not other maintenance done on it. Now I have the Silverado EV for 5 months now and I am at 35k km, and my wife puts on 1k km a week for work. The cost for a charger 19kw and the installation will be about $1500 and that is because I am buying a fast level 2 if it was an average on it would only cost $800. And for right now I use public level 3 chargers and the cost is half what I was paying for a gas truck I had. For insurance I am only paying $10 more for the 2024 Silverado EV RST FE than the 2016 Jeep Cherokee Sport. Which is funny because the cost of the Silverado was 4 times the cost than the jeep and not current cost it is when originally bought.
Here is an example of the time I spend charging. While traveling to Florida I stop at a Buc-ees and plug in walk into the store, use the rest room grab something to eat walk out to the truck unplug and leave, I would spend more time getting gas because if there is a line up you would have to wait then sit at the pump to pump the gas before you could go in.
Thanks for sharing your ev Journey (love the Silverado ev, by the way)! It’s nice to know someone else has experienced the long-term reliability and low maintenance costs EVs can offer.
I find an EV truck even more compelling than an EV car. The noise reduction, performance improvement, and addition of covered storage space via the frunk are all more compelling in a truck than in a car. I have an F150 Lightning and love it. Yes, towing long distance is not a good use case, but for pretty much everything else it's great as long as you can set up home charging. I don't think we should be trying to ban or eliminate gas, but an EV can be a great choice for a lot of people. I haven't used gas in many years; even my yard equipment is all electric now. I added rooftop solar to my home to cover the added electricity use.
I totally agree. So many reasons to go electric, and for some, it just makes good sense.
At one time Tesla has such limited availability that they crazily retained their prices. Not so much now as there’s so many of them. It’s all about supply and demand.
I left EV ownership as the Kia Soul EV lost 20% of capacity to degradation in just 60K km in 3 years. At that rate that 2016 couldn’t get me to work and back in the winter and charging options were expensive in downtown Toronto. Now range isn’t the issue it once was I still fear degradation but I see countless stories of Teslas with 3-10% degradation but after 200K km. How is Ford? I’d really like to get a Mach -E in 2026 when my lease on my work ICE comes due. Maybe even the Rivian R2. Degradation is my only EV fear.
If you look in the description, you'll find one link to one of many research papers that is showing modern evs far outlasting the OEMs own targets for battery degradation. You accurately noted what other cse studies found with the Teslas. Batteries are lasting 30~40% longer than anticipated. What is also interesting is that most evs will drive 3~4x further than a leaf of Kia soul from 2016, so even with a new battery battery today eventually only holding 70% of its original SoC, it could still drive for years at over twice the range of a 2016 Kia Soul or Leaf! What is considered 'failed' might still work for many drivers for another decade or so.
As mentioned in the video, Ford backs up its eDrive and battery pack for 8 years or 160,000km standard. The packs are also modular, so one doesn;t have to replace the whole thing if one module faults or degrades too fast. And battery prices are plummeting. So. based on all those factors, if and when your MachE ever needed a module replaced, it would either be covered under warranty, or the price of battery replacement might be so inexpensive that you might opt to replace the whole pack instead of the faulty module. I like having that kind of choice with Ford and GM's packs.
Yur saving the planet
Dats good
"When something's strange in the comment section... Who you gonna call? FUD-Busters!"
Great video, These trolls and their strawman arguments are easy to torch because they make such outlandish statements that you'd have be insane to believe lie 1 much less 23, 24 or 25...
LMAO! I started humming along :-)
Actually, a LOT of people won't buy one because it only takes a bit of fear uncertainty & doubt to stop someone in their tracks. Unfortunately, the FUD Chuckers have had a slowing effect on ev sales for sure.
It doesn't help to have a Cybertruck exploding in front of a Trump hotel either. Although in the same day, dozens - possibly hundreds - of ICE vehicles caught fire. which will never make the news.
My Model S eats tires! 15k miles front 25k rear .. Michelin PS4’s expensive.. but I’m ok with that… 9 years old never been near a garage for service.. just wiper blades, tires and cabin filters! Just had battery tested and after 9yrs and 2 months… 92%…!!!
That's a killer track record for a car that age, but if I owned an S I'd probably go through a lot of tires too :-).
You know, I don't think we should even be on the defensive about this. My question to the anti-EV folks: what threatens you so much about EV's? Seriously... it's just a new technology for making a car move. If you really think it sucks so much, why go on a pro-EV channel and go full on ignorant FUD rant? Just let us enjoy our cars, because frankly I love my EV. What exactly about EV's has you anti-EV folks so shaken and so afraid? Let's talk about that for a change. You guys explain YOURselves.
I agree 100%.
If I wasn't such a dorkhead, I might actually find a way to embrace your approach. But if you read through my blocked and held comments by YT, you might forgive me for developing a 'slight curmudgeony' approach to the anti-ev FUDster crowd.
Thank you for adding reason and a level head to this conversation. Every ev owner appreciates it.
As a technician I want people to have the most reliable product possible. I cannot recommend EV’s for that reason. A simple electrical problem can leave you stranded, unable to charge and you will be waiting longer for less common parts. An Ice vehicle is extremely fault tolerant and can get you home 9/10 times. We have had EV models waiting over 6 months for batteries.
I work with 20 other technicians, not a single one chooses an EV model for a personal vehicle.
@@danielyoung7458well if your business is mainly ICE vehicles, of course you're gonna say that. You're not exactly unbiased are you.
Love the take down of the anti EV fud. I don’t have a truck but do have a EV SUV and love it and will not go back to an Ice vehicle.
I try not to be too much of a dorkface - although it does come naturally or me - but sometimes, the FUDsters just need a good kick in the soft spots.
Thanks for watching and congrats on your EV SUV!
Too funny. I loved every second of this video. Seriously people. If you don't like EVs then don't buy one. End of story.
Thanks for the support!
My 2016 Model X 90D, with 153,462 miles and a weight of 5,381 lbs, is on its fifth set of tires over the course of my ownership. I am still using the original battery, but it only holds about 81% of its original capacity. Nevertheless, I don't stop for fast charging; I charge at home daily to 90%, except for the rare occasions when I forget to plug it in. I just rotated my tires over the weekend, and my original brakes are still within standards due to how little I need to press the brakes while driving.
I commute to the office five times a week, covering 148 miles each day. I choose to drive that far because I love my house, and it would cost me an additional $500,000 to find a comparable one within half the distance to work. When I decided to switch to an electric vehicle (EV), I traded in my 2009 GMC Sierra pickup with 183,000 miles, which cost me about $1,100 per month in gasoline and $50 per month in oil and brake pad changes. The truck had two transmission replacements and a rear differential replacement over its lifetime.
During my ownership of the Tesla, I've had to replace both the front and rear drive motors. However, both were replaced around 110,000 miles under warranty, not due to failure, but because the internal drive bearings were starting to make noise. They were replaced for free out of convenience.
Switching to an EV has saved me money. The savings in gas and maintenance alone were more than the car payment for the Tesla, which was more expensive than the pickup truck. Initially, I paid for the electricity to charge the Tesla, but since then, I have invested in solar panels on the garage. This investment has further reduced costs by offsetting not only the cost of charging the Tesla but also most of the electricity consumed by the house. The cost of the solar investment is less than what we used to pay for the monthly electric bill, and it is nearly paid off already.
If I were to experience a battery failure in the near future, I couldn't complain. Vehicles wear out over time as expected. After speaking with an electrified garage near us, they quoted a refurbished battery replacement for under $10,000 with a five-year warranty, which is comparable to the cost I incurred for replacing the two transmissions and rear differential on the pickup.
Great honest ownership synopsis! Thanks for this.
@@truckedupevs Just FYI, I found your videos due to doing research on the Ford Lightning, been thinking about picking up one as a replacement for the Model X. The discounts just make it pretty ideal right now with the price of my Tesla still fairly high with the miles it has still. They offered me $17,500 for it as a trade in for a Lariat 2023 they had on the lot locally, but I tried to ink more out of them to match some of the deals others have been getting and someone bought it while I was negotiating for it further.. One aspect i was kinda annoyed with during the test drive was the constant nagging for me to put my hands on the wheel with the adaptive cruise w/lane centering on. I had them on the wheel like i do driving all my vehicles, it just was unhappy with that position and kept disengaging on me.
If you own/buy a ev truck and your happy with its performance and range thats great... but lets face it you don't really need a truck a small suv with a small trailer for occasional use would do you just fine. Don't have space for a trailer? Uhaul.
A truck is for working i own a deleted 3500 cummins 6.7 manual, there is no current ev out there that gives me the same performance, reliability, range as it, and i use it. Hell i get 650-700km a tank heavy/and towing (900km+ empty) and i still have enough range anxiety to carry a spare jerry can in case i get stuck on a mountain pass and have to turn around or detour.
I am not against ev it just isn't good enough for me, although i am keeping a eye on Edisons hybrid packages.
Yeah i have a a old gas truck and since i made a 5x8 utility trailer i never use my truck anymore. I tow the trailer behind my FWD Hyundai Ioniq EV and it does great.
Edison is doing some really cool things. I met him at the Fully Charged event in Vancouver when Sandy Munro was interviewing him.
Hey, like I said in the video, you're the 20% where an ev truck doesn't make sense for those seriously tough applications. However, I do use my truck as a truck ,as do many contractors in my area - and they are far more hard-core work trucks than mine, many exploiting the onboard power for electrical/plumbing/mechanical work onsite. I'll be featuring some of them in upcoming videos so I hope you'll stick around to check them out. You raise a great point about the rigth tool for the use case.
Thanks again for commenting.
Reality and facts instead of Faux news. 😮
I get crap wrong, and I'm a one-person gig - but I do my best. The wonderful thing is that my Trucked Up community are an incredibly smart bunch, and obvious thinkers. Between them catching my boo-boos and telling their stories, this channel is becoming a safe spot for ppl seeking info on ev trucks.
I couldn't be happier.
Assuming TH-cam still exists in 30, 40 or 50 years from now, it will be great for people to look back at these historic videos and wonder why some people were so against EVs.
OMG, I could be a part of the historical record! That's probably a discomforting thought for some...
$7345 worth of Gas and $1000 worth of oil changes.
The 200 amp service is totally unnecessary - What? - I have 100 amp service if I wanted to put in a level 2 charger the most I have to do (for simplicity) is put in a three way switch OFF-DRIER-TYPE 2 Plug.
I have an electric car - where a number 1 charger that came with my car and it is more than sufficient 99.9% of the time unless I am on an extended road trip.
So where can you get a Level 2 charger for $500 bucks? I am thinking of doing a road trip across Canada this Summer and I think it could come in useful when I am camping.
Same. Thought I would need 200amp service for our Tesla charger, electrician said it wasn’t necessary. 100amp has been plenty because it charges during the night. 4 months and 12,000kms and we are not going back to ice.
Most of that tire wear is caused by a weight problem. Yep, you read that right. The LEAD in the right foot of the driver clearly has a relationships to tire wear. So it is a "weight" problem! ROFL People like to stomp on that go pedal cause it is so much fun, but who knew that would wear out your tires? LOL Don't discourage the EV truck prices falling. I am waiting for a screaming DEAL! SHHHHHHH! Bring on the EV depreciation blood bath! ROFL
"Wait, wait, wait... You say I will just plug in at home and NEVER have to go to a charger?" But but but... What if I am too lazy to plug in? Now what? Yep, same people who walk around with a dead cell phone all the time... Some people shouldn't own EVs! LOL
LMAO! Nice commentary, and truth! The biggest wear on tires is from gunning it - and evs do that very, very well!
Not only that but gas vehicles have more recalls than EV because most EV recalls are fixed with an over the air download
Excellent point to add. If I wasn't such a dipsh!t I would have thought of that... :-)
Hahaha it seems you had fun putting this one together! EVs are similar to cell phones, if you can't plug them in at night because you're away from home well, you need to anticipate and carry a charger. EVs will be updated OTA and revolutionize our life soon. Parts market, repair shops and others need to adapt, fight will soon be over.
I had a lot of fun. :-)
If one can't plug in & is away from home, usually ppl simply park and drive in the morning anyway, winter or summer. It's not like the battery is dying or 'leaking'; it just gets less efficient. The cell phone is a good analogy in that it loses efficiency when cold, but now take that capacity and times if by several thousand. Unless an ev owner is close to 'empty' when they park most evs will last multiple days, even in the cold not being plugged in, which simply means hitting a fast charger before arriving or before leaving. Then again, almost every place one goes in N. America has a 110 outlet and can be used to trickle charge overnight.