Excellent review Levi! Having rode the VR1 for an entire day myself, this video does a great job explaining how the VR1 is really a "game changer". You and your crew did a good job of explaining what you are "feeling" when comparing the Axys and new VR1 chassis. Having the other rider's perspective's was great for showing viewers how good the VR1 really is. The one thing that I noticed on the VR1 is that you feel instantly comfortable when riding it. The sled just "fits" and is very confidence inspiring. Thanks for doing this comparison!
It is great hearing you share the same opinion. When I first rode it I thought it was really good, but I kept asking myself "was it really that good or was it just hype?" After putting it up against the AXYS sleds, it confirmed that it really does work awesome!
All the new tech is great....and I'm all for it! But it's great to see the 'ol "96 600XCR holding somewhat of a candle to the new sleds! I had one and back in that day, it was a hard sled to beat! 25 years of sled evolution and it still won't get left behind on a trail ride......that says something ;) (and by the way Levi, I got one of your 2018 XCR800 demo sleds and still loving it!)
YOu will love it! The Pro S works great on the trail, but he VR1 is so stable and smooth, plus the new panels, seat, and 7s display take it to the next level!
LaVallee Levi, any input on the Matryx 129 vs the 137? Coming from a 120 and being older I’m looking hard at the 137 to smooth out the chewed up, whooped out trails of northern Michigan. Thanks for all you do!
Nice review levi. Its amazing how times change. I remember back in 1996 when that gorgeous 600 would have had a score of 9 to 10 for its time. Speaking of that vintage one, i have to admit, i still love my Edge's. But i really want the vr1. Oh and a xcr too. i too have a vintage sled i will keep in my fleet forever. That is my 1980 polaris TX-l. its a hoot to take out for a spin. I put thousands of trouble free miles on her since i bought it in 1992. But today, i also say---- boy how times have changed. 😂
Had the same sled with same windshield. Put a m10 in the rear really made a big difference. Can go pretty fast on those old sleds cause they can carry so much speed in the turns.
Great job as always - definitely having the other riders helps / different size riders a good reference point. And of course including the vintage 1996 sled is very cool, so you didn't miss anything, seriously captured so many key angles. Someone like me, 55 yrs old and sick limited budget, the 1996 is fine for my kind of riding. Awesome to see such thorough coverage by Polaris - I don't think Ski-Doo has anything like this in their marketing suite. Of course they can't have Levi though, ha ha. You have Polaris blue blood through and through.
Loved the review & comparison Levi but the sleds I'd like to see compared would be is the VR1 650 vs an IQR 600 that has been trail converted such as my 2013 any thoughts ??? I'm seriously thinking about snow checking the 650 and still keeping my 1991 Polaris indy 650 too
My guess it the shocks will be a dream on the VR1 compared to the race sled on the trail. Ditch banging the IQR would still be my pick, but if you want the best trail experience, the VR1 delivers.... And the 650 boogies!
How was the 650 compared to the 850 on those trails? Obviously we'd expect to see the difference on the lake, but from corner to corner on the trails, and 0-60 pulls, did you feel much of a difference between the two? Fuel consumption differences when you were riding hard?
The 650 pulls hard on the trail from corner to corner. The 850 pulls harder but the 650 feels closer to an 800 than a 600. I really wish I could do an 800 vs 650 comparison because I think it would be close. We didn't do an apple to apple fuel test, so I unable to say.
@@Levi_LaVallee Thank you for the response. I'm currently on a 2018 800 Pro-S Switchback. Considering a VR1 in 129 for next year, but stuck on the 650 vs. 850 question. May have to wait a year until I can get some seat time on each. Except for the vibration, I am really happy with the 800 in spirited trail riding situations, which is 90% of my ride time. Anyway, thanks for the reviews - Lots of fun. Ride safe.
Bought my 850 2020 XC 137 from Bruce at Southside! Love it!! Can’t wait to demo the Matryx next year. Curious to see how well the 650 keeps up with the 850 on the trail.
Thomas Duane Bruce is a good guy for sure and extremely knowledgable when it comes to sleds! 650 runs great! Not quite 850 pull but it seems like it could be 800 strong! Hopefully I get to do a back to back comparison 650 vs 800
Just saw the videos ..VERY nice .. my 20 850xc 129 is great looking at a 2022 VR1 in 129 track , I feel the 137 tend to push a bit in corners and I dont think they are as nimble ..how is the ride going to be and handling compared to my 20 129 ??
The 2019 XC was smooth if you were going slower but in general I felt the suspension was to soft. With the Velocity shocks on the Vr1 it has great plushness that ramps up for the harder hits. The Vr1 suspension is so good for trail riding. You will be very impressed with the VR1. I agree the 129 is more nimble on the trail and doesn't push as much for the most part. YOu can remedy the push a little with a track with angled side lugs for less side traction, more ski bite (more aggressive skis, bigger carbide, suck on limiter strap, etc), turn up the IFs springs... or get a 129. haha. The 137 is a little more forgiving but not as quick reacting in the turns as the 129.
The 129 is more fun feeling to me because you can slide the back end a little better and it feels more agile through the trail and ditches. The 137 is more forgiving feeling. Tracks a little straighter, stops a little better, but feels bigger to me. If i'm feeling racey I go 129, if i'm feeling like a comfortable ride I go 137.
That machine looks incredible brother Levi it's always cool to see you ride man there is a lot of great riders but you will always be my favorite bro no doubt sending big love and positive vibe from South cackalacky hope you and the family are doing 💯🇺🇸👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
Levi thanks for your reply I really appreciate it. I was confused about the lower ratings for big bumps with the XCR. I’d love to see the same review with a ditch bang ride. Also would love to hear from a heavier rider like myself 200 lbs or more. Sorry bro we aren’t all 120 lbs like you. Lol. Thanks again!
Because there is no standard for bump sizes, "big bumps" can mean different things to each person. The big bumps we were riding were roughly 1.5-2' deep which to me is big bumps for on the trail, on a snocross track they are yawners. haha. The reason I believe the XCR didn't score as high is that the suspension doesn't drive through the bumps like a softer suspension. What I mean by that- have ever seen an offroad truck race through 3-4' deep whoops in Baja? The truck stays flat on top of the whoops "skimming the tops" while the wheels are moving up and down 3' through each whoop. The suspension is stroking a lot. That is what the Matryx and Xc 137 do well, they drive through the bumps absorbing them. Now if the offroad truck had "XCR suspension" the truck would be rocking back and forth like a motocross bike due to the stiffer suspension which strokes less. If the bumps get so big or the "g-outs" get so hard that you begin bottoming the suspension out, then you feel a ridged kick or deflection. This is where "XCR suspension" starts to shine. Hard hits, jumps, High speed "g outs" things you encounter ditch banging and riding hard. Personally, I will sacrifice the smoothness on the trail, to have suspension stiff enough to jump and hit stuff hard like you can on the XCR. The positive is the shocks are beginning to bridge the gap between plush for bumps, and stiff for jumps more and more with shocks like the Velocity that gets more firm towards the end of the stroke, helping with bottoming resistance. Here is a link to the heavier spring kit polaris offers - snowmobiles.polaris.com/en-us/shop/accessories/new-accessories/2884975/ . a lot of times this and some clicker adjustments can help your ride if you are a heavier rider.
Thanks for the explanation about the XCR in big bumps. I have a 2020 and absolutely love it. I’m hoping it will move to the Matryx chassis in 2022. Great overall review!
Levi, Great video on the differences, nice touch adding in other rider opinions. So what models will be in your fleet for next year? Thanks for your time and effort.
I have that same XCR 600 I still drive it every winter as well as a 97 XLT 2 up. I would love to get on one of those new Matrix sleds and try the new platform.
Levi does the VR1’s suspension work as good as an XCR for people that weigh over 200 pounds or aggressive riders or should we hope Polaris makes a Maytrx XCR in 2022.
If you are over 200lbs and are an aggressive rider that hits big bumps hard, I would look into getting heavier springs (for sure torsion springs) put on it, and turning the compression clickers in. I believe Ryan is 200+ and he was right on my tail ripping most of the time so I believe it worked well for him. We did have pretty smooth trails though with only smaller bumps for the most part. If it would have been a Sunday ride, it may have changed his opinion. For the conditions we were in, the XCR's felt stiff-instead of absorbing the bumps and driving through it, it would bounce off of them... As mentioned, I didn't get to ditch bang the VR1 which I could tell you a lot more about how it handles the hard hits... But I don't think it will work as well as the XCR ditch banging.
Excellent review Levi. I have never been a Polaris guy. I've owned a Ski Doo Renegade 900 ACE and currently own a 2017 Arctic Cat ZR7000LTD and I love the 4 stroke for their reliability and the use of regular fuel. This Matryx VR1 650 would be the only reason why I would go back to 2 stroke. The ride of the R-motion is so much better than the Slide Action on the Cat and I'm hearing the Pro CC rear skid is on par with R-motion. This Polaris has me very, very interested. I'll wait a year and see how things pan out....let the first year bugs get worked out and maybe, just maybe I'll have a Matryx VR1 650 sitting inside my sled trailer.
Thank you! The VR1 was the best all-around trail sled I have been on. The stability in the corners, how smooth it was through the bumps, and how natural it feels to move around on it without hitting your knees is what jump out at you right away!
Love this review Levi. I'm looking to upgrade my 2016 Switchback Pro S 800 to an XCR 129 850 for a bit more aggressive trail experience and to get back to a standard tunnel look. The Switchback is an awesome sled no doubt, I love riding it, the 800 makes awesome power and I never get stiff riding it. One of the cool features on the Switchback is how you can reach back and adjust the rear shock in 2 seconds..I like that a lot. Although I'm sure the VR1 is an awesome machine, I might need the looks to grow on me! I probably just need to see it in person and sit on it to really appreciate it. I still have that exact XCR 600 (never selling) I bought it new in 1995 when I was a senior in high school, it's piped and just puts a smile on your face every time you get on it, but you better have your chiropractor on speed dial after a day of riding it too! Like the one guy said, back when it came out it was one bad ass machine! I can't believe we ditch banged these things and lived to tell about it. I wish I still had my matching leathers too! :)
The XCR 129 was the sled I rode the most this season because it was the sled that I could ride the hardest and take it! It's not as smooth as the Pro S on the trail in the bumps, but I liked knowing I could throw it into much bigger stuff without it bottoming out. The XCR likes going fast and riding hard! That's what I love about that sled! Those were fun days back when XCRs, Ultras, and Storms ruled the land! You must be cool if you had the matching Leathers! That was fairytale talk when I was a kid as it would have taken me a summer of work to pay for the leathers! haha
@@Levi_LaVallee It wasn't easy to afford and that's basically what I did! I recently just picked up a 93 750 storm for a restoration project and a 96 Ultra. It's still feels like a fairytale when I hear these triples and ride them!
I was surprised you rated the XC better than both XCR’s in all categories. I would have thought one of the XCR’s would have scored higher in at least the big bump rating.
I commented before @LaVallee at 5'4" 129" inseam .. I added 4" risers angled back to put my body with short arms closer to the middle of the seat and added a mountain strap and a left hand throttle so I can side hill ditches and bank in the Powder .. only ride in Michigan so far.. Never rode a snowmobile in the Mountains off trail but I have done all kinds of extreme skiing in Colorado and Utah ..
VR1 for trail riding... XCR if you are going race speed on the trail and want to ditch bang as well. The VR1 was so smooth and flat corning, for sure the best trail sled.
Where were the big bumps? Interesting how the Indy XCR stood up in the corner just like mine. I noticed the XCR Switchback didn’t lift a ski in the corner.
We didn't find many big bump areas other than the one section where I get hucka-bucked on the ol 96er. I'd say the bumps were 1.5-2' deep. I would rate both XCR's the same for inside ski lift, but not as flat in the turns as the VR1 or the XC 137.
Add a couple turn of preload to front IFS springs, it almost stops ski lift once dialed in. Your Aarms should be slightly above level when sitting on sled. Not under level. That's where the ski lift comes from
Love the reviews. Next time you need someone that is a good example for someone that needs seat movement and chassis shape give me a call. Being 6’6” leg space is a must for me.
What is the difference in the chassis and or suspension that makes it handle better than the Indy? Can I still get a rack and saddle bags? Lets go camping
I'm not sure on chassis changes but the ifs is the same front end as we have on our race sleds and have had on the AXYS sleds. The skid is the Pro CC which has been out for the last couple seasons. My opinion on how they were able to achieve better handling on the trail was by lowering the center of gravity with shocks and with the changes to the seat and knee area. Regarding the rack and saddle bags- you should be able to get any attachments that are fitted for the 129, 137, or 146 full tunnel sleds from 2020
Depends on what you plan to do with it. If you plan on doing a fair amount of Off-trail riding, the 146 would be the sled to get. If you plan on blasting trails only, I would get a VR1.
@@Levi_LaVallee Okay I am going with the Assault. Can you explain to me the difference between a 15X146X1.5 Ice Storm and a 15X146X1.6 Cobra track? I will need to decide on what is the best track for me as I plan on doing 60-65% trail and the remaining off trail.
Robert Liggett The Storm track is my favorite trail track. The scoop design in the middle really hooks up for straight line traction but with the lower 1.25 lugs on the outside, allow the tail to slide and feel more playful. The cobra should be better off trail because it is a little taller. I ordered mine with the storm track based on my experience having the storm on my 137 this past season and riding a 1.6 on a 144. I think the storm gets almost as good straight line traction, but i really enjoy having the ability to tail slide on the trail and when we went off trail it gets around well.
I don't understand how the 1996 XCR did bad in cornering. Someone must have it set up wrong. The old low sleds are like riding on rails of setup right.
I am on the fence. Always been a doo guy but it seems the new VR1 is like a magnet it seems like your glued to it a lot easier to slide especially for us short guys. Snow check your New Polaris at your local dealer. Just go in and sit on it you feel the difference from the doo right away.
The Sub titles do help try to figure out which sled you are talking about .. One Sled Levi Called IT ? Not sure if it was in the back ground but I will rematch and not multi task while watching.. My Friend had an Ultra 700 Triple .. He actually thought he was going to beat my Apex in a Drag race.. He got humbled but I will give him credit for keeping up with my Attack on rough Trails I don't know how he kept from destroying the sled.. He did ride my Indy 500 hard enough to destroy the skid .. I bought my Indy from him .. Then I bought a 2014 Skidoo Renegade 800 it's a lot of fund to ride but I don't dare ride it too hard it will fold like an according.. Though the Yamaha Delta Box Cast aluminum is way stronger it is also very heavy and top heavy with the big 4 cylinder 4 stroke motorcycle engine in it with a 20% reduction gear before the clutch .. The Matryx sounds really great but the 650 CC engine won't be allowed in cross country races..
@@MrPolarisguy11 The 850 pulls harder and longer, but the 650 is surprising how well it runs! We didn't get to do an official fuel consumption test but it seemed to burn less the both the 600 and 850 we had along.
@@Levi_LaVallee great. Tanks for the feedback! Too bad this virus has taken over and prevented us to see this new chassis. I will be waiting another year before ordering but good to get real feedback on these new sleds. Great video
Awesome review. I have a ‘17 XCR 600 120”, ‘15 ZR 600 129”and ‘13 MXZ 600 120” in my stable. In my opinion the MXZ is the best handling in the trails but has the lowest power and comfort levels. The XCR has the best motor and shock package. The ZR is the smoothest all around probably because of the 129”. Your description of the ease of getting around on the Matryx is why I always felt the MXZ dominates in the trails. I’m also smaller framed and feel the same about how the Axys splits you in half trying to actually ride it vs being a passenger. I’ll probably have to order a 650 Matryx to see if it’s everything you say it is. Thank you for always being a class act when we met at few years ago at Haydays. My kids were impressed.
That's a good question. The power is a little less on the 650 so it may be easier to be smooth in the tight trails which would take less effort to ride fast in the tight stuff compared to the 850. The hard part was the VR1 was a 650 and the Axys were 850, the Vr 1 is better in the tight trails for sure with the new seat and side panels. But 650 or 850 is a toss-up.
@@Levi_LaVallee I have ridden 800s in the past and am considering snow checking 850 matryx. After review of the 650 you did, I was sold on that motor. How much different is 650 vs 850? Or maybe better question is how different is 600 vs 650?
LaVallee, love your videos man! I'm very new to snowmobile riding. Could you make a video show us some tips on how to ride "Trail" riding? Most of the videos I found are for the backcountry.
One thing about test riding a sled or a motorcycle .. Often Dealers don't set them up even close to where they should .. be suspension is usually way too stiff handle bars in wrong position ect.. These sleds have a lot of suspension adjustments.. And the various riders were much lighter and heavier one suspension setting does not fit all riders..
If you ditch bang and want the ability to jump, I would have the shocks stiffened. The XC is very plush for trail riding but a bit soft for ditch banger and catching air.
@@Levi_LaVallee my sled was a new old stock I bought 2 months ago. I put 500 miles on it and pulled the plugs to do a compression check so I know where I’m at with my motor. I got 108&110. I brought it into the dealer with concerns about this low compression and the poor starting when it’s cold out. The dealership got back to me saying my compression was low due to glazed cylinders...🤷🏻♂️ Under warranty I will get a new top end they say.
Why I think the SWB scored lower was the XCR's, in general, are valved stiffer and then add Pro XC rear suspension which is a more progressive rate, it felt like it was deflecting off the bumps instead of driving through them. My guess would be the SWB Pro S would score better as the suspension is much softer than the SWB XCR.
@@Levi_LaVallee What if you're bigger and need that stiff suspension? I bought a 19 xc 129 and after a lot of shock work with Bruce from this video I ended up trading it back in for a 2020 swb xcr because in aggressive big bump riding the Indy just couldn't cut it imo. Medium bumps and groomed trial sure it was great but by mid-afternoon the trails are always whooped out around here. I'm sad knowing the SWB is prolly being phased out after this year because after owning that new chassis I think Polaris actually went backward. The new chassis does look great and handle groomed to mid-sized bumps extremely well and has better storage options but that's where it ends. Still a good video and appreciate you using different sized riders. Nice Job
If your over 200 pounds or just ride aggressively on bumpy trails you need an XCR. These videos never talk about that they just try to sell you the sled they are talking about. Some will even say the XCR isn’t stiff enough. It would be nice if when you snow check a sled you could have shock spring and calibration choices to fit your weight and riding style.
@@Levi_LaVallee now looking to sell 020 600 xc 129 retro colors , guy that wants it has 80 centurion, then buy another vr1 650 or 850 cannot go wrong with either engine
it's all good till they deliver soft shock valving and you are bottoming out. my 18 xcr is the first that has not needed a revalve since my 03 pro x 600. polaris has it's famous line. virtually bottomless. maybe in spring trim but come the fall, the shocks get de-tuned and it starts all over again.
It sounds like you must ride pretty hard or in rough conditions. If that is the case, the XCR is the sled for you. I didn't touch the clickers on my XCR (assuming they were in the middle of the clickers) and was able to jump it pretty decent in the ditches. The XCR was quite a bit stiffer than the Xc 137 with maxed out clickers. The VR1 suspension is closer to the XC 137 but has Velocity shocks which are bit better on bottoming. But again if you are looking for stiffer, the XCR is the sled.
@@MrKitty11doesbaseball An option would be to get the shocks re-valved as they have Velocity shocks just like the 2020 XCR. Polaris also has heavier springs you can get if you weigh more and the stock springs are sagging to low.
@@Levi_LaVallee i weigh 200lbs, and live in NY. i ride hard for sure, usually 180 mile days, cranking out as fast as we can. i did revalve every sled between 03 and 18. it was the only way. the spring test rides had great valving, but the production units were soft. why let someone ride a non-bottoming sled, they like it and order it, and they get a bottoming sled . clickers do nothing on those with that valving. i feel that a sled like that is dangerous . i know some posers cry about too stiff, but they should be honest with themselves and buy the right sled. someone who buys a "pro r" over a standard rush would expect that the pro r would be a bump monster. my pro r would bottom on anything. my friend's pro s , although called a groomed trail sled, was the same way, bottom out on the smallest of hits. i waited for a leftover just to be sure the xcr was not just another sled needing shock work, and it is the real deal. thanks for replying!
That is the truth! My wife says "stop growing, you are getting so big" to our kids. I think that's what my Mom said when I was a kid and sure enough, I stopped growing in body and mind at the 12 years old. haha
How do I get one of those RB helmets ? So I guess my 18 Pro 8hundo is going to get spanked by the Matryx chassis...??? Great... I just can't imagine the size of the balls the individual.... will have to have to spank me in the corners !!! It can't be that good ( JIMHO ) recipe for disaster.
@@Levi_LaVallee thanks ,some people label me as headstrong, i prefer loyal, first ride 64 polaris comet, best ride 019 850 xc 129, best looking polaris sleds 79 txl & 79 centurion or maybe my 85 600 se
@@oldslow3694 I would like to get a Centurion. I have a 80 TXL which is just a little guy and it feels like a rocket! Perhaps the leaf springs add to the feeling of speed. haha. If you liked the 19 XC129, you will love the VR1.
@@Levi_LaVallee try & find 1980 centurion, it was just a little faster then the 79, back in the day my dealer was motor genius, every sled he sold he went thru carbs ,clutches. if the center to center was short or long between the clutches he would find belt that worked for each sled. the old sleds bring back great memories but these new sleds are the best yet, now thinking i should snow check VR 1 850 137 as test sled
new best sled, my 650 vr1 129, only 50 miles on it riding around farm but man what a difference, wed. trails open by me so get to try it my guess will not be disappointed. so maybe next year sell my outdated 019 850 xc129. ,not , staying in fleet
99% of us probably won’t notice any of the small differences these guys are noticing. Paid Polaris people selling Polaris products. They want you to buy a new 19 thousand dollar machine when your awesome 2016 Axys is still top of the line. Won’t give up my 2016 Rush 800 for many more years. Yeah, if you were moving up from a 2009 machine, maybe time to upgrade, but not necessarily from the Axys. Corporate guys.
The interesting thing is Nick and Ryan are carpenters, Bruce is a Polaris Dealer, Joe is an event cordinator who does events like X Games and Rally X. Far from paid Polaris people. As mentioned in the beginning of the video, I try to have a diverse group of riders to get different opinions because I understand that people may question my opinion because of my long history with Polaris. Also I would disagree that 99% wouldn't notice the difference. Nick hasn't had a sled since highschool, Ryan has 1998 xc 600 that i'm not sure he has ridden in years yet both of them noticed the differences when going back to back because they are very noticeable. The Axys is a great sled but as mentioned in this video, there are noticeable differences between Axys and Matryx and the goal was to simply inform people of the differences.
Anyone who does not live and Breath Polaris will be totally lost in your comparison . I can't keep track of what an XCR Domiatricx Axsis .. ABCD Indy Ultra VRI AXYS is .. total Garble to me.. You have to mentioned the full name of each model or I am totally lost .. My first sled was a '92 Indy 500 with fuel Injection.. I thought that was fun .. Until late one night on a Lake with wind drift Moguls I was hanging on for Dear Life and two guys I was riding with on Edges were going faster and had a can of Beer in one hand.. that blew my mind so I asked to ride one .. Like wow and 800 Edge had some suspension travel a vast Improvement over the '92 Indy .. I almost bought an edge at the end of season they were on sale mild winter many surplus sleds at the dealer.. Of course I assume Skidoo Rev's were out by then . About two hears later I snow checked an '06 Yamaha Attack OK they are all Apex but Attack had 136" track .. this was the first year for fuel injection and first year for a sort of rider forward design. Skidoo revolutionized Snowmobiles with the Rider Forward chassis.. especially a big advantage for snow cross.. Then Arctic Cat figured out modern suspension geometry A big Improvement over the revolutionary Polaris Indy Suspension
There is this thing called Google, it will take you to the Polaris website and help you with all the acronym's. I'm a Ski-Doo rider but interested in all the brands technology, I get it though there is a lot of different versions out to choose from.
I had that same machine. 1995 xcr 600 special.. with rounded tank and lower seat height.. instill regret selling it. It went to 10 000 miles.. then sold er. Nover opened motor once
It was so much fun! we would go for 15-30 minutes at a time on it before you would start to get beat up feeling.... I think we are getting soft from riding the new sleds because we use to ride days on the old iron without issue, not 15-30 minutes. haha
Jesper Hägglund the old race sleds are still great for jumping for sure! Pretty stripped down compared to these sleds because they were purpose built for racing and you do need comfort racing as long as you can go fast on it!
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Love to see that old XCR in action.
forgot to say thank you, you are a great ambassador for polaris & the sport of snowmobiling
Excellent review Levi! Having rode the VR1 for an entire day myself, this video does a great job explaining how the VR1 is really a "game changer". You and your crew did a good job of explaining what you are "feeling" when comparing the Axys and new VR1 chassis. Having the other rider's perspective's was great for showing viewers how good the VR1 really is. The one thing that I noticed on the VR1 is that you feel instantly comfortable when riding it. The sled just "fits" and is very confidence inspiring. Thanks for doing this comparison!
It is great hearing you share the same opinion. When I first rode it I thought it was really good, but I kept asking myself "was it really that good or was it just hype?" After putting it up against the AXYS sleds, it confirmed that it really does work awesome!
You have to do an engine soundcheck to give that old XCR triple some scores ;)
Love that sound too
I love that you threw an oldie in there
They are so much fun!
Levi has to be one of the coolest dudes he’s super humble but also insane with everything dudes a huge inspiration
Thank you!
Really loved this review man! This was a great comparison to see how they stacked up!
thank you.
God that xcr 600 is so rad. Love that color theme.
haha I am so pumped I found it!
All the new tech is great....and I'm all for it! But it's great to see the 'ol "96 600XCR holding somewhat of a candle to the new sleds! I had one and back in that day, it was a hard sled to beat! 25 years of sled evolution and it still won't get left behind on a trail ride......that says something ;) (and by the way Levi, I got one of your 2018 XCR800 demo sleds and still loving it!)
Thanks for the review Levi! I'm thinking of trading in my 800 Switchback Pro-S for a VR1 137. Do you think I'd regret it?
YOu will love it! The Pro S works great on the trail, but he VR1 is so stable and smooth, plus the new panels, seat, and 7s display take it to the next level!
Great real world review and comparisons. Thanks!
Thank you. Hopefully, it will help the people who are looking into a new sled.
LaVallee Levi, any input on the Matryx 129 vs the 137? Coming from a 120 and being older I’m looking hard at the 137 to smooth out the chewed up, whooped out trails of northern Michigan. Thanks for all you do!
Nice review levi. Its amazing how times change. I remember back in 1996 when that gorgeous 600 would have had a score of 9 to 10 for its time. Speaking of that vintage one, i have to admit, i still love my Edge's. But i really want the vr1. Oh and a xcr too. i too have a vintage sled i will keep in my fleet forever. That is my 1980 polaris TX-l. its a hoot to take out for a spin. I put thousands of trouble free miles on her since i bought it in 1992. But today, i also say---- boy how times have changed. 😂
haha it is fun to step back for some smiles and to make you appreciate how good we have it now!
@@Levi_LaVallee yes sir it is indeed. 😊
Love that 96 xcr. Wish they would do a retro version of it.
Power sliding through turns is something I haven't done since I was a kid.. until I got the 600 XCR 😜
LaVallee I wish they would bring back an old triple 2-stroke with tri pipes
They need to do an Indy 650 with that new engine and retro 1990's paint scheme!!
Had the same sled with same windshield. Put a m10 in the rear really made a big difference. Can go pretty fast on those old sleds cause they can carry so much speed in the turns.
Just ordered mine yesterday, VR1 850 137, can't wait!!!!! First Polaris, hope I made a great choice!!!!
Ed Wright you will love it! I can’t wait for next season!
Great job as always - definitely having the other riders helps / different size riders a good reference point. And of course including the vintage 1996 sled is very cool, so you didn't miss anything, seriously captured so many key angles. Someone like me, 55 yrs old and sick limited budget, the 1996 is fine for my kind of riding. Awesome to see such thorough coverage by Polaris - I don't think Ski-Doo has anything like this in their marketing suite. Of course they can't have Levi though, ha ha. You have Polaris blue blood through and through.
Thank you! The ol 96er is a hoot to ride!
@@Levi_LaVallee I know it isn't Polaris, we just loaded this classic V-FAM vid. Fun to dream with kids. th-cam.com/video/DG5kicsnkJ8/w-d-xo.html
Loved the review & comparison Levi but the sleds I'd like to see compared would be is the VR1 650 vs an IQR 600 that has been trail converted such as my 2013 any thoughts ??? I'm seriously thinking about snow checking the 650 and still keeping my 1991 Polaris indy 650 too
My guess it the shocks will be a dream on the VR1 compared to the race sled on the trail. Ditch banging the IQR would still be my pick, but if you want the best trail experience, the VR1 delivers.... And the 650 boogies!
How was the 650 compared to the 850 on those trails? Obviously we'd expect to see the difference on the lake, but from corner to corner on the trails, and 0-60 pulls, did you feel much of a difference between the two? Fuel consumption differences when you were riding hard?
The 650 pulls hard on the trail from corner to corner. The 850 pulls harder but the 650 feels closer to an 800 than a 600. I really wish I could do an 800 vs 650 comparison because I think it would be close. We didn't do an apple to apple fuel test, so I unable to say.
@@Levi_LaVallee Thank you for the response. I'm currently on a 2018 800 Pro-S Switchback. Considering a VR1 in 129 for next year, but stuck on the 650 vs. 850 question. May have to wait a year until I can get some seat time on each. Except for the vibration, I am really happy with the 800 in spirited trail riding situations, which is 90% of my ride time. Anyway, thanks for the reviews - Lots of fun. Ride safe.
Love the review. Just a quick question when u race dose your back take a lot the shock
Exotic_ Neebs thank you! Racing snocross you definitely notice your back after a hard day of riding.
@@Levi_LaVallee thank you for the reply
Bought my 850 2020 XC 137 from Bruce at Southside! Love it!! Can’t wait to demo the Matryx next year. Curious to see how well the 650 keeps up with the 850 on the trail.
Thomas Duane Bruce is a good guy for sure and extremely knowledgable when it comes to sleds! 650 runs great! Not quite 850 pull but it seems like it could be 800 strong! Hopefully I get to do a back to back comparison 650 vs 800
@@Levi_LaVallee Bruce is awesome, he found me a VR1 snowcheck back out, so I am pumped
@@APF1201 Awesome news for you! Can't wait to hear what you think of it... It was the best trail sled I have been on!
@@Levi_LaVallee thanks man, will post up when I get it!!
Just saw the videos ..VERY nice .. my 20 850xc 129 is great looking at a 2022 VR1 in 129 track , I feel the 137 tend to push a bit in corners and I dont think they are as nimble ..how is the ride going to be and handling compared to my 20 129 ??
The 2019 XC was smooth if you were going slower but in general I felt the suspension was to soft. With the Velocity shocks on the Vr1 it has great plushness that ramps up for the harder hits. The Vr1 suspension is so good for trail riding. You will be very impressed with the VR1.
I agree the 129 is more nimble on the trail and doesn't push as much for the most part. YOu can remedy the push a little with a track with angled side lugs for less side traction, more ski bite (more aggressive skis, bigger carbide, suck on limiter strap, etc), turn up the IFs springs... or get a 129. haha. The 137 is a little more forgiving but not as quick reacting in the turns as the 129.
What do you prefer vr1 650 137 or 129?
The 129 is more fun feeling to me because you can slide the back end a little better and it feels more agile through the trail and ditches. The 137 is more forgiving feeling. Tracks a little straighter, stops a little better, but feels bigger to me. If i'm feeling racey I go 129, if i'm feeling like a comfortable ride I go 137.
That machine looks incredible brother Levi it's always cool to see you ride man there is a lot of great riders but you will always be my favorite bro no doubt sending big love and positive vibe from South cackalacky hope you and the family are doing 💯🇺🇸👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
Thanks Roy! 🙌🏼
@@Levi_LaVallee big big welcome Levi👊👊
So exciting to hear all this
hopefully it was helpful
Levi thanks for your reply I really appreciate it. I was confused about the lower ratings for big bumps with the XCR. I’d love to see the same review with a ditch bang ride. Also would love to hear from a heavier rider like myself 200 lbs or more. Sorry bro we aren’t all 120 lbs like you. Lol. Thanks again!
Because there is no standard for bump sizes, "big bumps" can mean different things to each person. The big bumps we were riding were roughly 1.5-2' deep which to me is big bumps for on the trail, on a snocross track they are yawners. haha. The reason I believe the XCR didn't score as high is that the suspension doesn't drive through the bumps like a softer suspension. What I mean by that- have ever seen an offroad truck race through 3-4' deep whoops in Baja? The truck stays flat on top of the whoops "skimming the tops" while the wheels are moving up and down 3' through each whoop. The suspension is stroking a lot. That is what the Matryx and Xc 137 do well, they drive through the bumps absorbing them. Now if the offroad truck had "XCR suspension" the truck would be rocking back and forth like a motocross bike due to the stiffer suspension which strokes less. If the bumps get so big or the "g-outs" get so hard that you begin bottoming the suspension out, then you feel a ridged kick or deflection. This is where "XCR suspension" starts to shine. Hard hits, jumps, High speed "g outs" things you encounter ditch banging and riding hard.
Personally, I will sacrifice the smoothness on the trail, to have suspension stiff enough to jump and hit stuff hard like you can on the XCR. The positive is the shocks are beginning to bridge the gap between plush for bumps, and stiff for jumps more and more with shocks like the Velocity that gets more firm towards the end of the stroke, helping with bottoming resistance.
Here is a link to the heavier spring kit polaris offers - snowmobiles.polaris.com/en-us/shop/accessories/new-accessories/2884975/ . a lot of times this and some clicker adjustments can help your ride if you are a heavier rider.
Thanks for the explanation about the XCR in big bumps. I have a 2020 and absolutely love it. I’m hoping it will move to the Matryx chassis in 2022. Great overall review!
Levi,
Great video on the differences, nice touch adding in other rider opinions.
So what models will be in your fleet for next year?
Thanks for your time and effort.
Thank you! I will have the majority Matryx sleds. Been brainstorming so ideas for Matryx Builds ;)
I have that same XCR 600 I still drive it every winter as well as a 97 XLT 2 up. I would love to get on one of those new Matrix sleds and try the new platform.
Well, the Matryx is no 1996 XCR 600 but it sure is easier to ride all day! haha
Levi does the VR1’s suspension work as good as an XCR for people that weigh over 200 pounds or aggressive riders or should we hope Polaris makes a Maytrx XCR in 2022.
If you are over 200lbs and are an aggressive rider that hits big bumps hard, I would look into getting heavier springs (for sure torsion springs) put on it, and turning the compression clickers in. I believe Ryan is 200+ and he was right on my tail ripping most of the time so I believe it worked well for him. We did have pretty smooth trails though with only smaller bumps for the most part. If it would have been a Sunday ride, it may have changed his opinion. For the conditions we were in, the XCR's felt stiff-instead of absorbing the bumps and driving through it, it would bounce off of them... As mentioned, I didn't get to ditch bang the VR1 which I could tell you a lot more about how it handles the hard hits... But I don't think it will work as well as the XCR ditch banging.
Excellent review Levi. I have never been a Polaris guy. I've owned a Ski Doo Renegade 900 ACE and currently own a 2017 Arctic Cat ZR7000LTD and I love the 4 stroke for their reliability and the use of regular fuel. This Matryx VR1 650 would be the only reason why I would go back to 2 stroke. The ride of the R-motion is so much better than the Slide Action on the Cat and I'm hearing the Pro CC rear skid is on par with R-motion. This Polaris has me very, very interested. I'll wait a year and see how things pan out....let the first year bugs get worked out and maybe, just maybe I'll have a Matryx VR1 650 sitting inside my sled trailer.
Thank you! The VR1 was the best all-around trail sled I have been on. The stability in the corners, how smooth it was through the bumps, and how natural it feels to move around on it without hitting your knees is what jump out at you right away!
Love this review Levi. I'm looking to upgrade my 2016 Switchback Pro S 800 to an XCR 129 850 for a bit more aggressive trail experience and to get back to a standard tunnel look. The Switchback is an awesome sled no doubt, I love riding it, the 800 makes awesome power and I never get stiff riding it. One of the cool features on the Switchback is how you can reach back and adjust the rear shock in 2 seconds..I like that a lot. Although I'm sure the VR1 is an awesome machine, I might need the looks to grow on me! I probably just need to see it in person and sit on it to really appreciate it. I still have that exact XCR 600 (never selling) I bought it new in 1995 when I was a senior in high school, it's piped and just puts a smile on your face every time you get on it, but you better have your chiropractor on speed dial after a day of riding it too! Like the one guy said, back when it came out it was one bad ass machine! I can't believe we ditch banged these things and lived to tell about it. I wish I still had my matching leathers too! :)
The XCR 129 was the sled I rode the most this season because it was the sled that I could ride the hardest and take it! It's not as smooth as the Pro S on the trail in the bumps, but I liked knowing I could throw it into much bigger stuff without it bottoming out. The XCR likes going fast and riding hard! That's what I love about that sled!
Those were fun days back when XCRs, Ultras, and Storms ruled the land! You must be cool if you had the matching Leathers! That was fairytale talk when I was a kid as it would have taken me a summer of work to pay for the leathers! haha
@@Levi_LaVallee It wasn't easy to afford and that's basically what I did! I recently just picked up a 93 750 storm for a restoration project and a 96 Ultra. It's still feels like a fairytale when I hear these triples and ride them!
Thanks again Levi you rock!
I literally just got an Indy 850 xc 137. I am so torn on this to sno check a matryx or wait it out. Seems so different!
XC 137 was a great machine! The Matryx makes it easier to move around on and less knee bonks.
I was surprised you rated the XC better than both XCR’s in all categories. I would have thought one of the XCR’s would have scored higher in at least the big bump rating.
I commented before @LaVallee at 5'4" 129" inseam .. I added 4" risers angled back to put my body with short arms closer to the middle of the seat and added a mountain strap and a left hand throttle so I can side hill ditches and bank in the Powder .. only ride in Michigan so far.. Never rode a snowmobile in the Mountains off trail but I have done all kinds of extreme skiing in Colorado and Utah ..
2021 xcr 850 Indy or 2021 Indy vr1 maytrx 129 850 for trail riding?
VR1 for trail riding... XCR if you are going race speed on the trail and want to ditch bang as well. The VR1 was so smooth and flat corning, for sure the best trail sled.
Where were the big bumps? Interesting how the Indy XCR stood up in the corner just like mine. I noticed the XCR Switchback didn’t lift a ski in the corner.
That style sled doesn’t , I still think there the best
We didn't find many big bump areas other than the one section where I get hucka-bucked on the ol 96er. I'd say the bumps were 1.5-2' deep. I would rate both XCR's the same for inside ski lift, but not as flat in the turns as the VR1 or the XC 137.
Add a couple turn of preload to front IFS springs, it almost stops ski lift once dialed in. Your Aarms should be slightly above level when sitting on sled. Not under level. That's where the ski lift comes from
Kwmike-D Thanks, we’ve still got snow so I’ll try that out this weekend. Right now my IQR is way more predictable and corners flatter than my XCR.
Hey Alaska Guy when you gonna make some new vids with that XCR?
Which one do you like most the 650 patriot or 850 patriot matryx?
Hello. 850 is my favorite. It pulls so hard!
Love the reviews. Next time you need someone that is a good example for someone that needs seat movement and chassis shape give me a call. Being 6’6” leg space is a must for me.
Holy Moly! you need the snowmobile built for 4 seat! haha th-cam.com/video/UW5USdo6vEY/w-d-xo.html
So where was Joe Duncan ?
Just picked up a low mile 2020 Indy XC 137 850. Happy it came in second place. 😂
Matryx will be in the future though.
I rode the Xc 137 a lot this season and it is a great sled! You are in great shape with that sled!
What is the difference in the chassis and or suspension that makes it handle better than the Indy? Can I still get a rack and saddle bags? Lets go camping
I'm not sure on chassis changes but the ifs is the same front end as we have on our race sleds and have had on the AXYS sleds. The skid is the Pro CC which has been out for the last couple seasons. My opinion on how they were able to achieve better handling on the trail was by lowering the center of gravity with shocks and with the changes to the seat and knee area. Regarding the rack and saddle bags- you should be able to get any attachments that are fitted for the 129, 137, or 146 full tunnel sleds from 2020
LaVallee thanks any hot tent questions let me know, go check out some you tube vids and join the fun
What would you choose the 2021 VR1 850 or the 850 2021 Assault with the 146 inch track. I am looking at Snowchecking one.
Depends on what you plan to do with it. If you plan on doing a fair amount of Off-trail riding, the 146 would be the sled to get. If you plan on blasting trails only, I would get a VR1.
@@Levi_LaVallee Okay I am going with the Assault. Can you explain to me the difference between a 15X146X1.5 Ice Storm and a 15X146X1.6 Cobra track? I will need to decide on what is the best track for me as I plan on doing 60-65% trail and the remaining off trail.
Robert Liggett The Storm track is my favorite trail track. The scoop design in the middle really hooks up for straight line traction but with the lower 1.25 lugs on the outside, allow the tail to slide and feel more playful. The cobra should be better off trail because it is a little taller. I ordered mine with the storm track based on my experience having the storm on my 137 this past season and riding a 1.6 on a 144. I think the storm gets almost as good straight line traction, but i really enjoy having the ability to tail slide on the trail and when we went off trail it gets around well.
What are you thoughts on the 650?
I don't understand how the 1996 XCR did bad in cornering. Someone must have it set up wrong. The old low sleds are like riding on rails of setup right.
It was glued to the ground! I gave it a 7. as long as the corner was smooth, it was a blast power sliding it around the turns!
I am on the fence. Always been a doo guy but it seems the new VR1 is like a magnet it seems like your glued to it a lot easier to slide especially for us short guys. Snow check your New Polaris at your local dealer. Just go in and sit on it you feel the difference from the doo right away.
Eric Tracey yes you can sit on one at a dealer and feel the difference in the seat and side panels compared to the other sleds.
The Sub titles do help try to figure out which sled you are talking about .. One Sled Levi Called IT ? Not sure if it was in the back ground but I will rematch and not multi task while watching..
My Friend had an Ultra 700 Triple .. He actually thought he was going to beat my Apex in a Drag race.. He got humbled but I will give him credit for keeping up with my Attack on rough Trails I don't know how he kept from destroying the sled.. He did ride my Indy 500 hard enough to destroy the skid .. I bought my Indy from him ..
Then I bought a 2014 Skidoo Renegade 800 it's a lot of fund to ride but I don't dare ride it too hard it will fold like an according.. Though the Yamaha Delta Box Cast aluminum is way stronger it is also very heavy and top heavy with the big 4 cylinder 4 stroke motorcycle engine in it with a 20% reduction gear before the clutch ..
The Matryx sounds really great but the 650 CC engine won't be allowed in cross country races..
How was the 650 motor? And going back to the 96, please tell me you have that piped?? Lol
MrPolarisguy11 650 is so strong! Feels more like a 800 !
@@Levi_LaVallee I was kinda wondering about that. How does it compare to the 850 in the twisty trails for feel of power and fuel consumption?
@@MrPolarisguy11 The 850 pulls harder and longer, but the 650 is surprising how well it runs! We didn't get to do an official fuel consumption test but it seemed to burn less the both the 600 and 850 we had along.
@@Levi_LaVallee great. Tanks for the feedback! Too bad this virus has taken over and prevented us to see this new chassis. I will be waiting another year before ordering but good to get real feedback on these new sleds. Great video
Is it bad I was rooting for the wedge?
it hard not to root for it!
Awesome review. I have a ‘17 XCR 600 120”, ‘15 ZR 600 129”and ‘13 MXZ 600 120” in my stable. In my opinion the MXZ is the best handling in the trails but has the lowest power and comfort levels. The XCR has the best motor and shock package. The ZR is the smoothest all around probably because of the 129”. Your description of the ease of getting around on the Matryx is why I always felt the MXZ dominates in the trails. I’m also smaller framed and feel the same about how the Axys splits you in half trying to actually ride it vs being a passenger. I’ll probably have to order a 650 Matryx to see if it’s everything you say it is. Thank you for always being a class act when we met at few years ago at Haydays. My kids were impressed.
Do you prefer the 650 over the 850 in tight trails?
That's a good question. The power is a little less on the 650 so it may be easier to be smooth in the tight trails which would take less effort to ride fast in the tight stuff compared to the 850. The hard part was the VR1 was a 650 and the Axys were 850, the Vr 1 is better in the tight trails for sure with the new seat and side panels. But 650 or 850 is a toss-up.
@@Levi_LaVallee I have ridden 800s in the past and am considering snow checking 850 matryx. After review of the 650 you did, I was sold on that motor. How much different is 650 vs 850? Or maybe better question is how different is 600 vs 650?
LaVallee, love your videos man! I'm very new to snowmobile riding. Could you make a video show us some tips on how to ride "Trail" riding? Most of the videos I found are for the backcountry.
What sled do you ride?
@@ghost1012 Trail sled
Wtf. That doesnt answer the question lmfao
@@ghost1012 lol u mad?
Well when someone is trying to offer some help and you act like an idiot. Good luck
I'm curious how it does off trail in the snow?
The vr1 has a up to 1.5” track so they don’t do the best off trail if it is deep
Great video Levi, thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Are the 850s 2 stroke or only the 650?
all of them are 2 stroke.
One thing about test riding a sled or a motorcycle .. Often Dealers don't set them up even close to where they should .. be suspension is usually way too stiff handle bars in wrong position ect.. These sleds have a lot of suspension adjustments.. And the various riders were much lighter and heavier one suspension setting does not fit all riders..
Mike Skidmore Agree so true.
I have a 19 xc 129 800. What mods do you suggest it needs?
What kind of riding do you do?
@@Levi_LaVallee trail riding, ditch banging. Have you ever heard of these 800 having the cylinders glazed after break in?
@@NITROUSnBIASPLYS what do you mean glazed.... or are we talking donuts? Haha
If you ditch bang and want the ability to jump, I would have the shocks stiffened. The XC is very plush for trail riding but a bit soft for ditch banger and catching air.
@@Levi_LaVallee my sled was a new old stock I bought 2 months ago. I put 500 miles on it and pulled the plugs to do a compression check so I know where I’m at with my motor. I got 108&110. I brought it into the dealer with concerns about this low compression and the poor starting when it’s cold out. The dealership got back to me saying my compression was low due to glazed cylinders...🤷🏻♂️
Under warranty I will get a new top end they say.
Best Matryx video out there!
Snowmobiling USA thank you !
Did they run out of the letter "I" at Polaris?
ajlukelepuke ??
what is the difference between vr1 matryx and just a matryx
The VR1 is the Premium package with Velocity shocks and the new 7S display.
Also Matryx is the platform like AXYS. VR1 is the model.
Awesome I want one Matrix Assault 850 146" !!!!
🙋🏼♂️
Now they need to have a 4 stroke touring machine. They need a 4 stroke to take the number one in sales from SkiDoo.
i'm putting a down payment on the same color and engine combo but the launch. Coming from a pro-s looking forward to next winter after this review
Coming from the Pro S you will enjoy the new seat, console, and the 650 on the trail! Congrats on the new sled! You will enjoy it!
looking forward to jumping it and making it a custom one off like my pro-s was
I'm surprised the XCR 129 and XC scored higher than the switchback
Why I think the SWB scored lower was the XCR's, in general, are valved stiffer and then add Pro XC rear suspension which is a more progressive rate, it felt like it was deflecting off the bumps instead of driving through them. My guess would be the SWB Pro S would score better as the suspension is much softer than the SWB XCR.
@@Levi_LaVallee What if you're bigger and need that stiff suspension? I bought a 19 xc 129 and after a lot of shock work with Bruce from this video I ended up trading it back in for a 2020 swb xcr because in aggressive big bump riding the Indy just couldn't cut it imo. Medium bumps and groomed trial sure it was great but by mid-afternoon the trails are always whooped out around here. I'm sad knowing the SWB is prolly being phased out after this year because after owning that new chassis I think Polaris actually went backward. The new chassis does look great and handle groomed to mid-sized bumps extremely well and has better storage options but that's where it ends. Still a good video and appreciate you using different sized riders. Nice Job
If your over 200 pounds or just ride aggressively on bumpy trails you need an XCR. These videos never talk about that they just try to sell you the sled they are talking about. Some will even say the XCR isn’t stiff enough. It would be nice if when you snow check a sled you could have shock spring and calibration choices to fit your weight and riding style.
Thanks again for sharing.... TheRealStench
thank you for watching
That vr1 looks fun
It is!
this VR 1 650 129 i bought is the best sled i own,it makes my 020 850 XC 129 feel outdated, i do love it only 1 issue but that will be fixed over time
I thought the Axys was awesome, and it is! But the Matryx takes it to a new level!
@@Levi_LaVallee now looking to sell 020 600 xc 129 retro colors , guy that wants it has 80 centurion, then buy another vr1 650 or 850 cannot go wrong with either engine
Yeah Bruce. I live in Adams. I bought my 01 pro x 600 from him.
Bruce is pretty sharp when it comes to sled!
it's all good till they deliver soft shock valving and you are bottoming out. my 18 xcr is the first that has not needed a revalve since my 03 pro x 600. polaris has it's famous line. virtually bottomless. maybe in spring trim but come the fall, the shocks get de-tuned and it starts all over again.
sleepybrew That’s correct the VR1’s shocks will be to soft for anybody over 200 lbs or aggressive riders. Hopefully 2022 brings a Maytrx XCR.
It sounds like you must ride pretty hard or in rough conditions. If that is the case, the XCR is the sled for you. I didn't touch the clickers on my XCR (assuming they were in the middle of the clickers) and was able to jump it pretty decent in the ditches. The XCR was quite a bit stiffer than the Xc 137 with maxed out clickers. The VR1 suspension is closer to the XC 137 but has Velocity shocks which are bit better on bottoming. But again if you are looking for stiffer, the XCR is the sled.
@@MrKitty11doesbaseball An option would be to get the shocks re-valved as they have Velocity shocks just like the 2020 XCR. Polaris also has heavier springs you can get if you weigh more and the stock springs are sagging to low.
@@Levi_LaVallee i weigh 200lbs, and live in NY. i ride hard for sure, usually 180 mile days, cranking out as fast as we can. i did revalve every sled between 03 and 18. it was the only way. the spring test rides had great valving, but the production units were soft. why let someone ride a non-bottoming sled, they like it and order it, and they get a bottoming sled . clickers do nothing on those with that valving. i feel that a sled like that is dangerous . i know some posers cry about too stiff, but they should be honest with themselves and buy the right sled. someone who buys a "pro r" over a standard rush would expect that the pro r would be a bump monster. my pro r would bottom on anything. my friend's pro s , although called a groomed trail sled, was the same way, bottom out on the smallest of hits. i waited for a leftover just to be sure the xcr was not just another sled needing shock work, and it is the real deal. thanks for replying!
Yoooo where is the pro R love!?
They are similar to the XC. Good trail sled for sure.
Ok 5’6” 155lbs whatever. By the way loved seeing you ride with your son. Enjoy your kids while you can they grow up fast!
That is the truth! My wife says "stop growing, you are getting so big" to our kids. I think that's what my Mom said when I was a kid and sure enough, I stopped growing in body and mind at the 12 years old. haha
How do I get one of those RB helmets ?
So I guess my 18 Pro 8hundo is going to get spanked by the Matryx chassis...??? Great... I just can't imagine the size of the balls the individual.... will have to have to spank me in the corners !!! It can't be that good ( JIMHO ) recipe for disaster.
All I had to do to get a RB helmet was jump 412' and rotate a double backflip on a snowmobile;)
i snowchecked VR 1 650 129 thanks to you, 137 might ride a little better but my 019 850 xc129 handled great for me
congratulations on your new sled! You are going to love it!
@@Levi_LaVallee thanks ,some people label me as headstrong, i prefer loyal, first ride 64 polaris comet, best ride 019 850 xc 129, best looking polaris sleds 79 txl & 79 centurion or maybe my 85 600 se
@@oldslow3694 I would like to get a Centurion. I have a 80 TXL which is just a little guy and it feels like a rocket! Perhaps the leaf springs add to the feeling of speed. haha.
If you liked the 19 XC129, you will love the VR1.
@@Levi_LaVallee try & find 1980 centurion, it was just a little faster then the 79, back in the day my dealer was motor genius, every sled he sold he went thru carbs ,clutches. if the center to center was short or long between the clutches he would find belt that worked for each sled. the old sleds bring back great memories but these new sleds are the best yet, now thinking i should snow check VR 1 850 137 as test sled
new best sled, my 650 vr1 129, only 50 miles on it riding around farm but man what a difference, wed. trails open by me so get to try it my guess will not be disappointed. so maybe next year sell my outdated 019 850 xc129. ,not , staying in fleet
99% of us probably won’t notice any of the small differences these guys are noticing. Paid Polaris people selling Polaris products. They want you to buy a new 19 thousand dollar machine when your awesome 2016 Axys is still top of the line. Won’t give up my 2016 Rush 800 for many more years. Yeah, if you were moving up from a 2009 machine, maybe time to upgrade, but not necessarily from the Axys. Corporate guys.
The interesting thing is Nick and Ryan are carpenters, Bruce is a Polaris Dealer, Joe is an event cordinator who does events like X Games and Rally X. Far from paid Polaris people. As mentioned in the beginning of the video, I try to have a diverse group of riders to get different opinions because I understand that people may question my opinion because of my long history with Polaris.
Also I would disagree that 99% wouldn't notice the difference. Nick hasn't had a sled since highschool, Ryan has 1998 xc 600 that i'm not sure he has ridden in years yet both of them noticed the differences when going back to back because they are very noticeable.
The Axys is a great sled but as mentioned in this video, there are noticeable differences between Axys and Matryx and the goal was to simply inform people of the differences.
Anyone who does not live and Breath Polaris will be totally lost in your comparison . I can't keep track of what an XCR Domiatricx Axsis .. ABCD Indy Ultra VRI AXYS is .. total Garble to me.. You have to mentioned the full name of each model or I am totally lost ..
My first sled was a '92 Indy 500 with fuel Injection.. I thought that was fun .. Until late one night on a Lake with wind drift Moguls I was hanging on for Dear Life and two guys I was riding with on Edges were going faster and had a can of Beer in one hand.. that blew my mind so I asked to ride one .. Like wow and 800 Edge had some suspension travel a vast Improvement over the '92 Indy .. I almost bought an edge at the end of season they were on sale mild winter many surplus sleds at the dealer..
Of course I assume Skidoo Rev's were out by then . About two hears later I snow checked an '06 Yamaha Attack OK they are all Apex but Attack had 136" track .. this was the first year for fuel injection and first year for a sort of rider forward design.
Skidoo revolutionized Snowmobiles with the Rider Forward chassis.. especially a big advantage for snow cross.. Then Arctic Cat figured out modern suspension geometry A big Improvement over the revolutionary Polaris Indy Suspension
There is this thing called Google, it will take you to the Polaris website and help you with all the acronym's. I'm a Ski-Doo rider but interested in all the brands technology, I get it though there is a lot of different versions out to choose from.
@@spyder3777 Yes but my point was I don't which model they were talking about after they rode it .. I don't know the XYZ from the PBS Razor ..
Awesome! But NO ONE Has shown how to take doors and hood off 😤🤷♂️
Think someone said it’s all quarter turn knobs no rubber strap like Ayxs.
@@MrKitty11doesbaseball I know that. I wanna see them come off
Review the ol school xcr!
Id have to much fun! haha
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The old xc is the best.
well its decided im going with a 93 RXL with triple pipes
That will be fun!
Clearly the XCR 600 won this shootout! Runner up the VR1 🤣
Haha on smooth trails you have a hard time keeping from smiling the whole time on the XCR!
1995 xcr was by far flatest in the corner... Flat corner
David Clausner 1995 was for sure flat! My Dad had a 95 he put pipes on and I cross country raced it. So flat in the turns!
I had that same machine. 1995 xcr 600 special.. with rounded tank and lower seat height.. instill regret selling it. It went to 10 000 miles.. then sold er. Nover opened motor once
Was my dad's machine too. Lol. I rode it more then him though
I think I’ll take the 90s xcr 600 over the others lol
It was so much fun! we would go for 15-30 minutes at a time on it before you would start to get beat up feeling.... I think we are getting soft from riding the new sleds because we use to ride days on the old iron without issue, not 15-30 minutes. haha
@lavalle bring your favorite matrix plus the 96 to Lakewood Wisconsin and I will put the matrix to shame.
A 17 minutes long Polaris commercial
I would prefer an old IQ -R at any given day over this 🙂
Jesper Hägglund the old race sleds are still great for jumping for sure! Pretty stripped down compared to these sleds because they were purpose built for racing and you do need comfort racing as long as you can go fast on it!
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