I can't believe Atkins and Shapiro are still running the Jays, it only proves one thing I have known ever since Rogers bought the team. Rogers does not care about the Jays other than TV viewers and ticket sales, if they are ok Rogers does not care if the team wins a world series or not, in fact they prefer not to be involved directly in the team at all.
Agreed. The only reason why extra money was made available to pursue Ohtani is because Rogers Sports & Media owns the exclusive broadcasting rights through their other subsidiaries, and Ohtani would've stuffed them full of cash from the the ad revenue and broadcast viewership of the Japanese media market. Rogers' scoresheet is the balance sheet.
The job that Ross Atkins and Mark Shapiro has done has left me with question marks. For me I'm a big defender of the Varsho deal. As you see the upside with the bat. But from where I'm sitting. How can you justify a 300M Stadium Renovation that ended last offseason and you're sitting here with a very clouded, shrouded in a mysterious future. You have 4 players in total under contract in 2026. (Gausman, Springer, Rodriguez and Berrios). How as a paying customer can you expect people to cheer for a team that you put 300M in cosmetics (I'm not saying it wasn't needed) and not for the talent on the field. The present is cloudy, the future is cloudy thanks to the farm system. Bring the sunshine in and honestly give the fans a reason to support this team.
Stadium renovations came out of a different budget. The Blue Jays and Rogers Centre are organized as separate entities - the Blue Jays as a partnership and Rogers Centre as a limited partnership, both organized under Rogers Sports & Media. The Rogers Center renovations were a capital improvement project on a real estate holding of Rogers Sports & Media, and has absolutely nothing to do with Blue Jays payroll. The team and stadium are two separate businesses.
Yeah the stadium reno's were necessary and are a different thing but I know what you mean when you say they are spending money on the stadium to field a crappy team. Their attendance isn't even that down though. We will see next season.
@@williamwilliams8997 yeah I don't really get the Varsho love affair. I get he has a high WAR from fielding but he's like a young Kevin Pillar. Great fielding players who can't hit aren't all that special. And I get that he's elite at fielding but I just don't care because the team can't hit. They keep trying to shove varsho into a top of the order spot which is embarrassing.
@@mcfarlac1 he’s done that literally once. We had offensive firepower out the wazoo in ‘20-‘21’-‘22 and then the offence regressed harder in ‘23 than most everyone predicted. A step back was expected but not to have Vlad, Kirk, Springer etc. all just forget how to hit at their norms together. The offseason headed into ‘24 had no FA’s that would’ve helped as JT was about as productive as the pack outside of Profar and Pederson. It was a bad crop of FA hitters. His downfall for ‘24 is the glaring weakness of his tenure and that’s not developing enough highly touted prospects to get more trades done.
@ My biggest gripes with Atkins in no particular order… 1) signing IKF made no sense, we are lucky that his batting numbers were so good and we could trade him for a decent prospect. 2) yes the 2023 free agent class didn’t have any really big bats besides Ohtani. They missed on Teo, and no one would have guessed that Joc Pederson and Profar were going to have career years. Turner wasn’t a bad pick given what was available. 3)) Atkins should have realized that the 2023 free agent market for power hitting was bad and should have secured a long term slugger in 2021 or 2022. Making a trade for a big bat in the 2023 season likely wasn’t an option because the farm system was so poor. 3) Blue Jays are a luxury tax team with a $220M payroll in 2024. We shouldn’t be missing a wildcard spot by 12 games and finishing under 0.500. Tampa Bay should not be beating the Jays in the standings with an $89M payroll. 4)) the BlueJays management team can’t draft, it’s a big problem. Baltimore and Tampa can hit every time on their early draft picks, and the Jays can’t which reflects badly on Atkins and his management team. The Jays have one top 100 prospect… that’s weak! 5)) not signing Vladdy and/or Bo to a long term contract is a huge fail for Atkins. I really believe Vladdy is worth a $360M 11YR contract but Atkins obviously doesn’t think Vladdy is even worth $20M per year given the last arbitration that Vladdy had. 6)) in the year end press conference Atkins blamed the disappointing 2024 season on injuries, lack of depth, bullpen and then hitting. He’s a joke, we had a lot of injuries in the minor league system but the Jays were pretty healthy compared to a lot of other teams which still made the playoffs like the Dodgers and Braves. We’ve never had so much infield depth, and the starting rotation was relatively healthy, can’t ask for much more. Bullpen was really bad, but still I think that should be second priority to hitting. When the run production is this low it puts a lot of pressure on pitchers to be perfect or they lose the game. Atkins is clueless, this team neads to make offense its number one priority this year. There are many teams that put together a solid bullpen on a tiny budget (Tampa, and Detroit most notably). Why can’t Atkins recognize that getting two legit cleanup hitters is a top priority in 2025
If I had the know how , I would try to create a website for the BJ fans to vote on two questions : Should Atkins be replaced ...should Shapiro be replaced .... and for the results to get posted/presented to Rogers management
Toronto is where offence comes to die....I don't think Teoscar will be 2024 Dodgers Teoscar if he comes back. He'll be chasing sliders 2 feet off the plate like he used to...
The team messed up bad last off-season when they went after Ohtani. After they didn't get him, there was no pivot because there was nothing left. If they're looking to sign Soto this off-season , they should've traded for him last year and then simply extend him. Now they have to bid for him. Poor management
"Simply extend him." Teams have been trying his whole career to extend him, his agent is Bora's and he was always intent on testing free agency. The Jays would have lost some of the few prospects we do have and still not had Soto in 2025 as he would have left.
@@janetd5121 True. A Soto trade would've been an "all-in" move for only 2024. I doubt the Jays would've done well enough in 2024, even if they had Soto. It's good that the Jays didn't completely gut their already poor farm system for one year of Soto during a down year for them.
@@herotomillions4095 there wasn’t anything to pivot to at the start of FA either last year… ask the cubs how the Bellinger contract worked out. The only two guys I can think of who clearly outdid JT were Pederson and Profar and Profar was a $1M contract off the trash heap. Ohtani or not I don’t think it would’ve been any better there just weren’t the parts. It’s more concerning that they didn’t have a farm to trade from than that they didn’t pivot from Ohtani.
This is no longer a ross Atkins issue. It's now ROGERS. This owner clearly doesn't like baseball. We were warned by the Cleveland fans that the duo of Atkins and Siphiro did NOTHING for the team while they were there, and they bought the same philosophy to Canada.
@@Juds11 yeah Rogers just approves the payroll and hires and fires the president. They don't field the team. I guess you could question why they haven't demanded Atkins be fired. Shapiro got the payroll increased and ballpark renovated. His big flaw in my mind is how he hasn't fired Atkins yet and why he's so attached at the hip with him.
Atkins and Shapiro are not incompetent, they are just liars. Once you understand this then it all makes sense. Their first priority is profit, winning is a far second. Stadium renos were much needed but it about revenue generation and fan experience. Then to pump up ticket sales and viewership revenue, they use clever marketing lies to give illusion of trying to win : "we were in on this free agent", "we like this player, having conversations", "run prevention we are all in", "gosh this AAAA player has nice upside", "we forecast tons of improvement internally" no shit just like every team, they knew they had 0% chance of Shohei so they can took advantage of that marketing opportunity to give illusion of trying to compete. So here we are, they made profit just like the plan was. Time is up though, poor minor league system/bullpen sux/offense sux/ 2 best players almost free agents. Fork in the road time, wrong side of 30 Santander/Bregman/#3 SP only makes us a .500 team which is ok but if they try to spin that as making a run for it i hope the fan base has smartened up and refuses to buy that snake oil.
I was at the WC game in 2022 that they blew. The main reason they blew it was poor defensive alignment. They had Tapia playing well off the LF line vs a 30+ HR hitter in Suarez. If Tapia is playing at normal depth and not shading him to go oppo, that bloop double becomes a can of corn and does not give Seattle early inning momentum that led to the debacle that it was. You cannot play algorithm baseball in the postseason. The eye test is still a thing, gut-instinct (though not quantitative) is still a thing. You can make the argument about Gausman being pulled, but defensive alignment is what really hurt them in that moment (and is still hurting them today). Ross Atkins, he's more than passed his due date with this organization. I did not want him making any important decision past July 1, 2023. He should have been let go then. You have capable people around him that could have taken interim status until this offseason. Now, you have him trying to land another big-ticket free agent, and waiting on your franchise player to be signed long-term. Yes, they need a big off-season this year. But, to go from last to a playoff team in 2025 with the Yankees, Orioles being who they currently are, and knowing the Red Sox will find a way to be better, not looking good. Their draft record as of right now, will go down as one of the worst in team history. They haven't developed many noteworthy players. Take away Bichette and Vladdy; Biggio I find they didn't give him enough reps at one position (wasn't expecting him to be like his dad, but serviceable), Nate Pearson could stay healthy or throw enough strikes, Barger I would like to see a little bit more of. There's some pop in his bat, just needs a more ABs to see if it comes through. Davis Schnider, I'm sorry but he's a bench guy. And this team has too many bench players trying to play every day. Pitchers have figured him out and he's struggling to make adjustments to their adjustments. Love Ernie Clement, but I don't see him as an every day player. He's a bench guy. Manoah after a brilliant start has come back down to earth. We'll see how he looks coming off of surgery. Tiedemann has great stuff and potential, but can't stay healthy. (I will give a nod to Spencer Horwitz being one of the best 24th round picks. He looks like he can hit for average and good on-base guy). But, to end this long rant, I will end with the Blue Jays picking Chad Dallas over Eric Cerantola in the 2021 draft. Yes, Dallas had a great college year racking up over 200 Ks, but at 5'11, is his stuff going to play at the big league level? Why Cerantola? Well, I will admit, there's some bias here for him. I found Eric in 2015 while scouting for PBR Ontario. 6'5, athletic build, presence on the mound (even for a 15 yr old at the time) and good run on his fastball and depth on his curve. I ran into Shapiro at one of the Blue Jays Winterfest's and said not to sleep on this kid. Well the Royals thought so highly of him to place him on their 40-man roster because someone definitely would have picked him up in the Rule-5 draft this year. Has he struggled in the minors? Yes, he's walked a lot; but he's beginning to figure things out in AAA and will see some action with Kansas City at some point in 2025.
You can't blame Atkins? Who do we blame for giving Spencer Horowitzs roster spot at the start of the season to Vogelbach? A player that can't play a defensive position and can't hit lefty pitching. Atkins has hired rookie managers to take the team to the world series? And the fans are suppose to believe he wants to win? Sure he traded for a lot of young talent at the deadline but none of them were top 100 MLB prospects. The Jay's as an organization are a mess. From their scouting, player evaluations to the analytics.
Advanced metrics made Vogelbach look amazing. I checked him out on Baseball Savant during the season and saw what they were probably seeing. Analytics often don't translate into reality, though. The Blue Jays need to stop relying completely on analytics, because it's simply not working.
You hit it on the head with your comments boys...I'm on the side of Shapiro and Atkins should have been fired 3 years ago...good teams like Atlanta for example sign their young stars long term before they reach the point of heading into their free agency season...Vlad (and Bo) have zero incentive to sign now...they will both play out the season to see what their worth is at on the free agency market...Bo hasn't seemed invested for a couple of years and I think that he saw right through management from the very beginning...it's so disappointing to watch the MLB Network and hearing that rival executives are saying the Jays are in panic mode and will most likely have to over pay to bring in second tier free agents...under Shapiro they have never set the market...instead his tendency is to allow all the big fish to sign elsewhere and then pick at the bones of the leftovers late in the off season...I sat back last year and told anyone who would listen that there was no way Ohtani was coming to Toronto...Ohtani's management team used the Jays as leverage to get that monster contract from the Dodgers...the same this off season with Soto...he just isn't coming here folks...all this time Atkins is spending on Soto would be better used to sign other big players such as Santander for example...the Jays will waste their time and efforts on Soto for what?...Shapiro/Atkins have let this team sink both at the MLB and minor league levels...I'm afraid this will be another lost season followed by a new regime and total teardown and rebuild...buckle up and settle in folks, and pray this team will be ready to compete by 2028.
Guys I know evrybody has to blame somebody management has brought in some quality players over the last few years. The players have to perform to win. Last year a few key players were injured most of the time like Bichette. The bullpen was sub par, management can only do so much. Toronto media is over doing the issues. All the players have to step up and bench managers have to step up. Give it up on Soto he is not coming here. What needs to be done is a huge trade send out some quality guys and get other quality guys and maybe that might make the difference, shake up the team, pay a little more for some quality players.
Varsho is over rated defensively. He is a small, athletic man. He has to make spectacular efforts to make plays that a taller player makes without fuss.
Glad to hear on another channel the Nationals want Guerrero while apparently Jays and VG are 100mil apart. I see Guerrero gone and no Soto for Jays. Just make sure BB is out the door as well. New definition of insanity is 6 years of VG/BB with nada to show yet paying them a lot more to stay.. Waaah
You can’t believe Atkins at all I think he’s gonna think that the Toronto Blue Jays hopefully he doesn’t but I wouldn’t trust him as far as I can throw them that’s my opinion
Rogers should open the vault and get the best free agents out there. It's one year paying the luxury tax as several contracts come off the books for 2026. Show the fans that the owner cares about a winning team.
ya the dodgers got another cy young winner this equals another world series FLASH jays no playoffs next year but will sell a lot of beers at their 10 bars which is the only thing they want ps i have watch a lot of jays games and i cant believe how many dont watch the game da da as the world turns da da ps chapman is still in san frans ps i am sorry ross is a dud wake up dont support him or sapario ps it will be a long summer
You/we make this wayyy too binary with Ross Atkins. Should he have been fired? Yeah probably. Is he the worst GM and completely inept like his haters say? No, he’s not. The wildcard losses specifically are more on the players than him, the players blew an 8-1 lead by running into each other and imploding on the mound. Then the next year they were a defence first team but they won 90 games so getting shutout in the wildcard is inexcusable on the players. His biggest fault is not being able to push “all in” more due to not developing a deep enough farm, the farm is the fireable offence more so than his trades/signings.
Seems like he saw Bichette, manoah, vladdy and biggio and thought that would be enough, obviously it has not panned out. We’re at the point where we’ve seen the same story over and over again and it’s hard to believe anything will change. We don’t like talking about the second game against the mariners but you’re 100% right, the players can’t let that happen
@ I guess its the over and over again that I disagree with in that statement. This very same Ross Atkins built 2020-21-22 teams that were offensive juggernauts. Had the ‘23 offence regress more than any of us thought it would and then blew ‘24 but there were no FA’s that would’ve helped the ‘24 team Turner was almost as good as anyone on the market in that class it just sucked. Again not having a farm to trade from for a bat was the downfall though that’s the real black eye on his tenure. A guy who can assemble a ‘21 team with the 2nd and 3rd place MVP finalists (Vlad and Semien) and a cy young winner (Ray) obviously has the ability to find and land those players. I think ‘24 is the outlier in his tenure so I’m “okay” with the second chance but this has to be it if he doesn’t correct it.
The way I see the Varsho trade is that Moreno has years of control left and was largely injured last season. They traded for a fielding first outfielder which are a dime a dozen. They needed a clean up hitter.
Definitely a fair point, this trade will come down to how Moreno plays out after a couple years in the league, the jays traded for varsho after his 30 home run season so you have to assume that was factored in as well, but the obvious needs right now are power hitters and bullpen arms.
Lots of fans were saying he had a great trade deadline last season but did he? Wagner seems pretty good but other than that who are you excited about? Jake Bloss was supposed to be the key piece and he sucked in the minors
Hard to see how "great" it was until those prospects develop more. Perhaps people were just thankful that the Jays got some interesting prospects from trading guys who would've walked at the end of the season and given them nothing. It was a "better than nothing" trade deadline. :)
@@leam89way too early to tell on these prospects, but you have to give him props for getting a return for every player on an expiring contract, whether they work out or not. We have to remember the lack of talent in the farm system and on the current roster is a result from Ross and his blueprint, so no matter how “good” the trade deadline is perceived, with all the expectations, it’s very tough to be happy about how things went.
I can't believe Atkins and Shapiro are still running the Jays, it only proves one thing I have known ever since Rogers bought the team. Rogers does not care about the Jays other than TV viewers and ticket sales, if they are ok Rogers does not care if the team wins a world series or not, in fact they prefer not to be involved directly in the team at all.
Agreed. The only reason why extra money was made available to pursue Ohtani is because Rogers Sports & Media owns the exclusive broadcasting rights through their other subsidiaries, and Ohtani would've stuffed them full of cash from the the ad revenue and broadcast viewership of the Japanese media market.
Rogers' scoresheet is the balance sheet.
The job that Ross Atkins and Mark Shapiro has done has left me with question marks. For me I'm a big defender of the Varsho deal. As you see the upside with the bat. But from where I'm sitting. How can you justify a 300M Stadium Renovation that ended last offseason and you're sitting here with a very clouded, shrouded in a mysterious future. You have 4 players in total under contract in 2026. (Gausman, Springer, Rodriguez and Berrios). How as a paying customer can you expect people to cheer for a team that you put 300M in cosmetics (I'm not saying it wasn't needed) and not for the talent on the field. The present is cloudy, the future is cloudy thanks to the farm system. Bring the sunshine in and honestly give the fans a reason to support this team.
Stadium renovations came out of a different budget. The Blue Jays and Rogers Centre are organized as separate entities - the Blue Jays as a partnership and Rogers Centre as a limited partnership, both organized under Rogers Sports & Media. The Rogers Center renovations were a capital improvement project on a real estate holding of Rogers Sports & Media, and has absolutely nothing to do with Blue Jays payroll. The team and stadium are two separate businesses.
Yeah the stadium reno's were necessary and are a different thing but I know what you mean when you say they are spending money on the stadium to field a crappy team. Their attendance isn't even that down though. We will see next season.
Varsho was an excellent addition. Elite defense. I'm still waiting for the 20/20 season. He's got a 30/30 season in him I think.
@@leam89 That's what I meant. Thanks for understanding.
@@williamwilliams8997 yeah I don't really get the Varsho love affair. I get he has a high WAR from fielding but he's like a young Kevin Pillar. Great fielding players who can't hit aren't all that special. And I get that he's elite at fielding but I just don't care because the team can't hit. They keep trying to shove varsho into a top of the order spot which is embarrassing.
9:02 I completely agree that running it back each year and not fixing the offence has been maddening.
@@mcfarlac1 he’s done that literally once. We had offensive firepower out the wazoo in ‘20-‘21’-‘22 and then the offence regressed harder in ‘23 than most everyone predicted. A step back was expected but not to have Vlad, Kirk, Springer etc. all just forget how to hit at their norms together.
The offseason headed into ‘24 had no FA’s that would’ve helped as JT was about as productive as the pack outside of Profar and Pederson. It was a bad crop of FA hitters. His downfall for ‘24 is the glaring weakness of his tenure and that’s not developing enough highly touted prospects to get more trades done.
@ My biggest gripes with Atkins in no particular order…
1) signing IKF made no sense, we are lucky that his batting numbers were so good and we could trade him for a decent prospect.
2) yes the 2023 free agent class didn’t have any really big bats besides Ohtani. They missed on Teo, and no one would have guessed that Joc Pederson and Profar were going to have career years. Turner wasn’t a bad pick given what was available.
3)) Atkins should have realized that the 2023 free agent market for power hitting was bad and should have secured a long term slugger in 2021 or 2022. Making a trade for a big bat in the 2023 season likely wasn’t an option because the farm system was so poor.
3) Blue Jays are a luxury tax team with a $220M payroll in 2024. We shouldn’t be missing a wildcard spot by 12 games and finishing under 0.500. Tampa Bay should not be beating the Jays in the standings with an $89M payroll.
4)) the BlueJays management team can’t draft, it’s a big problem. Baltimore and Tampa can hit every time on their early draft picks, and the Jays can’t which reflects badly on Atkins and his management team. The Jays have one top 100 prospect… that’s weak!
5)) not signing Vladdy and/or Bo to a long term contract is a huge fail for Atkins. I really believe Vladdy is worth a $360M 11YR contract but Atkins obviously doesn’t think Vladdy is even worth $20M per year given the last arbitration that Vladdy had.
6)) in the year end press conference Atkins blamed the disappointing 2024 season on injuries, lack of depth, bullpen and then hitting. He’s a joke, we had a lot of injuries in the minor league system but the Jays were pretty healthy compared to a lot of other teams which still made the playoffs like the Dodgers and Braves. We’ve never had so much infield depth, and the starting rotation was relatively healthy, can’t ask for much more. Bullpen was really bad, but still I think that should be second priority to hitting. When the run production is this low it puts a lot of pressure on pitchers to be perfect or they lose the game. Atkins is clueless, this team neads to make offense its number one priority this year. There are many teams that put together a solid bullpen on a tiny budget (Tampa, and Detroit most notably). Why can’t Atkins recognize that getting two legit cleanup hitters is a top priority in 2025
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If I had the know how , I would try to create a website for the BJ fans to vote on two questions : Should Atkins be replaced ...should Shapiro be replaced .... and for the results to get posted/presented to Rogers management
😂😂 a petition!
Toronto is where offence comes to die....I don't think Teoscar will be 2024 Dodgers Teoscar if he comes back. He'll be chasing sliders 2 feet off the plate like he used to...
The team messed up bad last off-season when they went after Ohtani. After they didn't get him, there was no pivot because there was nothing left. If they're looking to sign Soto this off-season , they should've traded for him last year and then simply extend him. Now they have to bid for him. Poor management
"Simply extend him." Teams have been trying his whole career to extend him, his agent is Bora's and he was always intent on testing free agency. The Jays would have lost some of the few prospects we do have and still not had Soto in 2025 as he would have left.
@@janetd5121 True. A Soto trade would've been an "all-in" move for only 2024. I doubt the Jays would've done well enough in 2024, even if they had Soto. It's good that the Jays didn't completely gut their already poor farm system for one year of Soto during a down year for them.
@@herotomillions4095 there wasn’t anything to pivot to at the start of FA either last year… ask the cubs how the Bellinger contract worked out. The only two guys I can think of who clearly outdid JT were Pederson and Profar and Profar was a $1M contract off the trash heap. Ohtani or not I don’t think it would’ve been any better there just weren’t the parts. It’s more concerning that they didn’t have a farm to trade from than that they didn’t pivot from Ohtani.
This is no longer a ross Atkins issue. It's now ROGERS. This owner clearly doesn't like baseball. We were warned by the Cleveland fans that the duo of Atkins and Siphiro did NOTHING for the team while they were there, and they bought the same philosophy to Canada.
@@Juds11 yeah Rogers just approves the payroll and hires and fires the president. They don't field the team. I guess you could question why they haven't demanded Atkins be fired. Shapiro got the payroll increased and ballpark renovated. His big flaw in my mind is how he hasn't fired Atkins yet and why he's so attached at the hip with him.
Atkins and Shapiro are not incompetent, they are just liars. Once you understand this then it all makes sense. Their first priority is profit, winning is a far second.
Stadium renos were much needed but it about revenue generation and fan experience. Then to pump up ticket sales and viewership revenue, they use clever marketing lies to give illusion of trying to win : "we were in on this free agent", "we like this player, having conversations", "run prevention we are all in", "gosh this AAAA player has nice upside", "we forecast tons of improvement internally" no shit just like every team, they knew they had 0% chance of Shohei so they can took advantage of that marketing opportunity to give illusion of trying to compete.
So here we are, they made profit just like the plan was. Time is up though, poor minor league system/bullpen sux/offense sux/ 2 best players almost free agents. Fork in the road time, wrong side of 30 Santander/Bregman/#3 SP only makes us a .500 team which is ok but if they try to spin that as making a run for it i hope the fan base has smartened up and refuses to buy that snake oil.
I was at the WC game in 2022 that they blew. The main reason they blew it was poor defensive alignment. They had Tapia playing well off the LF line vs a 30+ HR hitter in Suarez. If Tapia is playing at normal depth and not shading him to go oppo, that bloop double becomes a can of corn and does not give Seattle early inning momentum that led to the debacle that it was. You cannot play algorithm baseball in the postseason. The eye test is still a thing, gut-instinct (though not quantitative) is still a thing. You can make the argument about Gausman being pulled, but defensive alignment is what really hurt them in that moment (and is still hurting them today).
Ross Atkins, he's more than passed his due date with this organization. I did not want him making any important decision past July 1, 2023. He should have been let go then. You have capable people around him that could have taken interim status until this offseason. Now, you have him trying to land another big-ticket free agent, and waiting on your franchise player to be signed long-term. Yes, they need a big off-season this year. But, to go from last to a playoff team in 2025 with the Yankees, Orioles being who they currently are, and knowing the Red Sox will find a way to be better, not looking good.
Their draft record as of right now, will go down as one of the worst in team history. They haven't developed many noteworthy players. Take away Bichette and Vladdy; Biggio I find they didn't give him enough reps at one position (wasn't expecting him to be like his dad, but serviceable), Nate Pearson could stay healthy or throw enough strikes, Barger I would like to see a little bit more of. There's some pop in his bat, just needs a more ABs to see if it comes through. Davis Schnider, I'm sorry but he's a bench guy. And this team has too many bench players trying to play every day. Pitchers have figured him out and he's struggling to make adjustments to their adjustments. Love Ernie Clement, but I don't see him as an every day player. He's a bench guy. Manoah after a brilliant start has come back down to earth. We'll see how he looks coming off of surgery. Tiedemann has great stuff and potential, but can't stay healthy. (I will give a nod to Spencer Horwitz being one of the best 24th round picks. He looks like he can hit for average and good on-base guy). But, to end this long rant, I will end with the Blue Jays picking Chad Dallas over Eric Cerantola in the 2021 draft. Yes, Dallas had a great college year racking up over 200 Ks, but at 5'11, is his stuff going to play at the big league level? Why Cerantola? Well, I will admit, there's some bias here for him. I found Eric in 2015 while scouting for PBR Ontario. 6'5, athletic build, presence on the mound (even for a 15 yr old at the time) and good run on his fastball and depth on his curve. I ran into Shapiro at one of the Blue Jays Winterfest's and said not to sleep on this kid. Well the Royals thought so highly of him to place him on their 40-man roster because someone definitely would have picked him up in the Rule-5 draft this year. Has he struggled in the minors? Yes, he's walked a lot; but he's beginning to figure things out in AAA and will see some action with Kansas City at some point in 2025.
You can't blame Atkins? Who do we blame for giving Spencer Horowitzs roster spot at the start of the season to Vogelbach? A player that can't play a defensive position and can't hit lefty pitching. Atkins has hired rookie managers to take the team to the world series? And the fans are suppose to believe he wants to win? Sure he traded for a lot of young talent at the deadline but none of them were top 100 MLB prospects. The Jay's as an organization are a mess. From their scouting, player evaluations to the analytics.
Advanced metrics made Vogelbach look amazing. I checked him out on Baseball Savant during the season and saw what they were probably seeing. Analytics often don't translate into reality, though. The Blue Jays need to stop relying completely on analytics, because it's simply not working.
What big time free agent wants to play in high tax Canada for a last place team that next year is going to more than likely lose their best 2 players?
You hit it on the head with your comments boys...I'm on the side of Shapiro and Atkins should have been fired 3 years ago...good teams like Atlanta for example sign their young stars long term before they reach the point of heading into their free agency season...Vlad (and Bo) have zero incentive to sign now...they will both play out the season to see what their worth is at on the free agency market...Bo hasn't seemed invested for a couple of years and I think that he saw right through management from the very beginning...it's so disappointing to watch the MLB Network and hearing that rival executives are saying the Jays are in panic mode and will most likely have to over pay to bring in second tier free agents...under Shapiro they have never set the market...instead his tendency is to allow all the big fish to sign elsewhere and then pick at the bones of the leftovers late in the off season...I sat back last year and told anyone who would listen that there was no way Ohtani was coming to Toronto...Ohtani's management team used the Jays as leverage to get that monster contract from the Dodgers...the same this off season with Soto...he just isn't coming here folks...all this time Atkins is spending on Soto would be better used to sign other big players such as Santander for example...the Jays will waste their time and efforts on Soto for what?...Shapiro/Atkins have let this team sink both at the MLB and minor league levels...I'm afraid this will be another lost season followed by a new regime and total teardown and rebuild...buckle up and settle in folks, and pray this team will be ready to compete by 2028.
More like 2038. These guys will completely decimate this franchise before they leave.
Guys I know evrybody has to blame somebody management has brought in some quality players over the last few years. The players have to perform to win. Last year a few key players were injured most of the time like Bichette. The bullpen was sub par, management can only do so much. Toronto media is over doing the issues. All the players have to step up and bench managers have to step up. Give it up on Soto he is not coming here. What needs to be done is a huge trade send out some quality guys and get other quality guys and maybe that might make the difference, shake up the team, pay a little more for some quality players.
Loss Atkins is pure garbage. He completely ruined the team
Varsho is over rated defensively. He is a small, athletic man. He has to make spectacular efforts to make plays that a taller player makes without fuss.
Ross Atkins looks like the guy on the office
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Glad to hear on another channel the Nationals want Guerrero while apparently Jays and VG are 100mil apart. I see Guerrero gone and no Soto for Jays. Just make sure BB is out the door as well. New definition of insanity is 6 years of VG/BB with nada to show yet paying them a lot more to stay.. Waaah
I'm a jays fan and already know the front office drops the ball again.. they will have a shit season no one will get fired.. thats 2025 in a nutshell
You can’t believe Atkins at all I think he’s gonna think that the Toronto Blue Jays hopefully he doesn’t but I wouldn’t trust him as far as I can throw them that’s my opinion
You guys didn’t even mention that our minor league players are terrible. We can hardly make a trade because we have nothing of value to offer
Rogers should open the vault and get the best free agents out there. It's one year paying the luxury tax as several contracts come off the books for 2026. Show the fans that the owner cares about a winning team.
Keep in mind that our farm system is absolute garbage as well...
.240 hitting daulton varsho? .214 maaaaan
I was using when he was playing “good” lol
ya the dodgers got another cy young winner this equals another world series FLASH jays no playoffs next year but will sell a lot of beers at their 10 bars which is the only thing they want ps i have watch a lot of jays games and i cant believe how many dont watch the game da da as the world turns da da ps chapman is still in san frans ps i am sorry ross is a dud wake up dont support him or sapario ps it will be a long summer
You/we make this wayyy too binary with Ross Atkins.
Should he have been fired? Yeah probably. Is he the worst GM and completely inept like his haters say? No, he’s not.
The wildcard losses specifically are more on the players than him, the players blew an 8-1 lead by running into each other and imploding on the mound. Then the next year they were a defence first team but they won 90 games so getting shutout in the wildcard is inexcusable on the players.
His biggest fault is not being able to push “all in” more due to not developing a deep enough farm, the farm is the fireable offence more so than his trades/signings.
Seems like he saw Bichette, manoah, vladdy and biggio and thought that would be enough, obviously it has not panned out. We’re at the point where we’ve seen the same story over and over again and it’s hard to believe anything will change. We don’t like talking about the second game against the mariners but you’re 100% right, the players can’t let that happen
@ I guess its the over and over again that I disagree with in that statement. This very same Ross Atkins built 2020-21-22 teams that were offensive juggernauts. Had the ‘23 offence regress more than any of us thought it would and then blew ‘24 but there were no FA’s that would’ve helped the ‘24 team Turner was almost as good as anyone on the market in that class it just sucked. Again not having a farm to trade from for a bat was the downfall though that’s the real black eye on his tenure.
A guy who can assemble a ‘21 team with the 2nd and 3rd place MVP finalists (Vlad and Semien) and a cy young winner (Ray) obviously has the ability to find and land those players. I think ‘24 is the outlier in his tenure so I’m “okay” with the second chance but this has to be it if he doesn’t correct it.
The way I see the Varsho trade is that Moreno has years of control left and was largely injured last season. They traded for a fielding first outfielder which are a dime a dozen. They needed a clean up hitter.
Definitely a fair point, this trade will come down to how Moreno plays out after a couple years in the league, the jays traded for varsho after his 30 home run season so you have to assume that was factored in as well, but the obvious needs right now are power hitters and bullpen arms.
Lots of fans were saying he had a great trade deadline last season but did he? Wagner seems pretty good but other than that who are you excited about? Jake Bloss was supposed to be the key piece and he sucked in the minors
Hard to see how "great" it was until those prospects develop more. Perhaps people were just thankful that the Jays got some interesting prospects from trading guys who would've walked at the end of the season and given them nothing.
It was a "better than nothing" trade deadline. :)
@Dulcimerist yeah that's just not good enough for me. Atkins should have been laughed out of town but he's too attached to Shapiro
@@leam89way too early to tell on these prospects, but you have to give him props for getting a return for every player on an expiring contract, whether they work out or not. We have to remember the lack of talent in the farm system and on the current roster is a result from Ross and his blueprint, so no matter how “good” the trade deadline is perceived, with all the expectations, it’s very tough to be happy about how things went.
@@leam89the Atkins-Shapiro 1-2 punch is like a tim Mayza and zach pop 1-2 punch out of the bullpen…😬
I would hate if the Jays got Torres. They don't need another bonehead on the base path. They got that covered already in ten folds