That has got to be one of my favorite stupid things Hollywood execs do. "We want this movie to be made quickly, but instead we're gonna take several years of saying no to scripts only to then scramble to get things done when we realize we took too long."
Basically "we put money in, things come out". No matter how much THEY delay or how much THEY interfere, its all the "ground team" problem. Considering how much money they input it is more than fair that they get a say on the matter and interfere but not 24/7 and not this erroneous. In essence they played the overly-jealous husband/wife who fcked their marriage because of their jealous attacks and still blamed the other part.
@@battlion507 to be fair they did stick their necks out it was a very risky movie. killing off the characters, getting rid of everything that made Aliens so successfull and puting an artistic rookie in charge. That would never happen now with a 100 million movie. so at least some props for that.
What? Hearing the people expert in making movies? Nah fam, the people who do know how to make movies are the suits, you know the one who studied all their lives to understand numbers and managing bussiness and.. not to make movies
this movie show how good of a director he realy is cos it shows that he can work from next to no script no money a tight dead line and studio interference.
James Cameron: "Alien 3 was a smack in the face to the fans..." Also James Cameron: Green lights Terminator Dark Date, which kills off John Connor in the first 5 damn mins of the movie...
@DoodooMcSparkz A long time ago he admitted he doesn't like any of the Terminator sequels but praised them anyway because the producers were usually his friends or were paying him a fee. He praised both Gensys and Salvation before they came out just to shitalk them after they left theaters
I always hated how they killed off all the other characters from Aliens. Kinda cheapens the impact from Aliens when all of the characters die immediately afterwards.
While the Alien films have always had a foreboding sense of dread and pessimism, killing off Newt and Hicks was just too mean spirited for the films. Though it's still not the worst that came from the series, that (dis)honor belongs to Randy Pitchford and his sack of lies and shit "Aliens: Colonial Marines".
@@grayamirYT there are actually pretty good books based on that, but yeah it was a copyright issue on the names. Both Hicks and Newt had to have their names changed in these.
@@grayamirYT Yeah I bought them when they first came out as individual issues and I swear they're called Newt and Hicks in those. They must have been changed for later re-issues?
Aliens colonial marines was the biggest slap in the face to me as a aliens fan and the fact I waited 10 years for a alien stand alone game then the fact they didn’t deliver what they promised us at the revieal it has to be the biggest slap in. The face to fans ever made in this franchises history
@@Xehanort10 yeah like Alien 3 and Ghost Rider 2, which would defiantly be great What Happened? Material right there, possibly worth a look due to it's disappointment, here's hoping that Ghost Rider 2 What Happened video will happen. 🤞😉
You totaly forgot thath part when they ignored H.R.Giger triing to get on project, used his new xenomorph design he send them and kinda forgot to credit him
I'd love to know what the Fox executives' reasons were for scrapping all of those scripts. It reminds me of the Super Mario Bros. movie script that seemed way better than what we got. Also, I can't help but grin at seeing the xenomorph being played by a small dog in a suit. That dog should've gotten top billing, dammit.
The fact that you can make What Happened's on every sequel after Aliens brings a tear to my eye... I also find it weird that each movie afterwards does the Resident Evil movie thing and just kill off characters in-between films or during the beginning. That's what you get for caring I guess.
after dark fate came out Cameron tried to save himself and say he actually didn't see anything but bits and pieces when he approved it and didn't know the final product was that bad.
@@CrimsonGear80 I don't believe him, In fact I think he's just making excuses after the fact. Although the director did say he was barely involved on set or in the editing room so maybe there's some truth there.
@@robjabbaz It's a shame cause Neil Blomkamp (director of several amazing movies including District 9) was going to be the director for Alien 5 which got scrapped. There goes any chance of redemption of the franchise there (and also because I think Neil would be the perfect director for it).
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@@boxtank5288 Covenant is such a travesty. I hate how much I want to like that movie. Beautiful set pieces and the absolute pinnacle of modern cinematography, all just to get shit on by the plot and characters :') Prometheus is a bit better, but more or less has the same problems.
If you take everything about David off in Alien convenant, and just focus on that crew and the shit that happens to them in the surface and them in the ship it would be a awesome stand alone Alien movie But no, Ridley Scott wanted so much to focus on androids and artificial life in the Alien franchise that he forgot Balde runner existed and he could easily make another one
As amazingly stupid as it sounds, people who have actually read it generally regard it really highly. Aliens was nothing like Alien, it wouldnt have been that big of a deal to make Alien 3 another huge departure.
I personally like the concept, but I'm a weirdo😹 It could be the basis for a space mystery and some wicked wacky wizardry to invent to make this celestial holiday ornament full of swordless Jedi more compelling than as stupid as it may look on paper.
I mean. I see potential to the idea if re prhase it like some kind of plant/tree that consume a little planet or asteroid and the hollow roots take the shape of it and float around a orbit.
I honestly wish they had gone with the first script idea of Ripley, Newt and Hicks taking on Weyland Yutani to destroy them. There could've been so much potential there to go all out with the xenos given Weyland's interest in the aliens and also to give Hicks the leading role as was the original director's intent. Poor Hicks and Newt got done dirty big time. The Alien 3 we got in the end was okay I guess.
@@xDinomanx It's not really her dying but the rest of the story being super depressing, and resurrection makes this even worse by stating that her sacrifice was for nothing.
@@rootfelixfake6716 Oh yeah, they pretty much botched it. Although i did enjoy Resurrection as a kid, it's definately one of the worst Alien movies as a whole (does have some cool action sequences though).
Honestly, I'm not against them killing any of the characters off, but the fact that they did off screen with zero build up or weight behind really annoys me. They were such important characters in the last film and all they got was like 5 seconds of establishing that they're dead and 2 seconds of mourning.
Alien 3 isn't just embarrassing and ridiculous, it's an absolute disaster. The autopsy scene with Newt makes me so angry and sad every time. Even David Fincher hates and despises this shitty movie.
“Fox believed that the Cold War would be over by the time the movie was out” Fox: *_hampers movie’s progress so it releases after the Cold War ends_* “See? We were right al along!”
Treating David Fincher like this on his first movie makes me remember that one time a Studio suit told Steven Spielberg that he would ammount to nothing in Hollywood
@@Amitlu Yes. That sequence in particular. But also themes. In the assembly cut, they actually do a pretty good job of conveying themes of the value of a human life and the fucked up way that it is largely disregarded for prisoners. Then, in the third act, it is completely thrown out the window and never referenced again and the focus just becomes Ripley's tragedy. It's messy and conversely asks you not to think to much about the film's conclusion after spending more than half the film asking you to think about injustice. It's thematic whiplash.
Killing off Hicks and Newt was a bad decision, but Alien 3 is not a bad movie on its own. It's a very dark and atmospherical movie, and honestly very unique for a sequel to an action blockbuster. Morse, Dillon and Clemens were awesome new characters. The movie looks and sounds fantastic, Elliot Goldenthal's score is absolutely perfect. The alien becoming different depending on what animal the host was, is a really cool addition. Ripley's death scene is really well done, and even though Aliens was already pretty much a perfect ending, this is still a great send off for the Ripley character. Far better than what they did with her in Resurrection. I'm really glad this movie exists.
I'm one of those that has come around to this film. I absolutely hated it the first time I saw it, but when I saw the assembly cut I started to change my mind on it. While not the film Fincher wanted to make, his talent is very clear in it, and you even see early signs of his style that he would develop and refine over the years. I like the bleak and oppressive tone, the visuals are often gorgeous, the acting is top notch, the music while a bit over the top at times is fantastic, and I like that all three of the first Alien films didn't try to replicate each other, they all approached the concept in a unique way. While the most flawed of the first three Alien films, I think it's on par with the first two. However, had Fincher been able to make the film he wanted, I think it could have easily been the best.
Same here. It's absolutely a flawed film, but it has moments of brilliance. Genie-from-a-bottle? One of my wishes would be to see the movie that Alien3 could have been.
Yeah, in a lot of ways Alien3 is a testament to just how talented Fincher already was. The film *should* have been an absolutely unwatchable dumpster fire, but Fincher's skill with the camera and working with actors was still enough to elevate it to "watchable."
@@battlion507 it was something all right. It has its moments, and Ron Perlman is always a delight, but it comes across more as a spoof of the first three films, rather than a continuation. It's still entertaining, but like the first AVP film, I put it in it's own seperate camp.
Mike Manhattan He's directed Se7en, Fight Club, Panic Room, Girl with the dragon tattoo, Gone Girl. He's an amazing director with his own style and atmosphere so it's a surprise he got another chance after Aliens 3
Rogue Planet Forgot about that one! What's funny is I didn't know he directed it till I 5 minutes into the first episode and cuz how the color filter looked and the music. I'm like " did David Fincher direct this?" Lol
@@RubexQewb So dark and saturated if those are the right words but I love it. I can't wait for season 3, it's really neat seeing him do another realistic drama.
I tell people that Alien 3 is one of my favorite movies and I get weird looks, but then I explain to them about the Assembly Cut and how Fincher got screwed over by the studio and killed what could have been a good movie.
I'm very glad that Fincher was able to bounce back. I felt so bad for him while being told about this whole mess. I knew that the theatrical cut was a mess but I had no idea the extent of it.
It's worth noting that Fincher was already quite experienced when he made Alien3. He was actually a big deal at the time, even without directing a single feature film. The studio he co-founded, Propaganda Films, was *THE* production company for slick ads and other promo videos. He'd won tons of awards and helped define the "look" of 80s pop filmmaking. And an absolutely absurd amount of future talent got their start there over the years doing videos and ads - including Michael Bay, Gore Verbinski, Spike Jonze, and Zach Snyder.
I would just like to see something about the scrapped version of Justice League that was supposed to be directed by George Miller of Mad Max fame. I am disappointed we didn't get to see Immortan Martian or Valkyrie Wonder Woman.
I’m just gonna say this then bounce: I like Alien 3. It’s nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens, sure, but as a closer to Ripley’s story it was fine. The Assembly Cut is the version to go for though.
I felt bishop was going to be revealed as a villain in the third, I always thought he implanted an alien into Hicks then put him to sleep and opened the doors for the aliens earlier. There was a line he says "they wanted a live specimen, they were quite clear about that" that always stuck with me
The comics that focused on the the three that survived at the end of Aliens is a whole lot better than what fox did with Alien 3. The relationship with hicks and the little girl. I still refrain from watching this film and I don't think Ill ever watch it.
Michael B has admitted to saying everything in that quote block you credited him for at 11:40. Then, as he said “I told my agent I don’t care how much they pay me that thing (the alien) is not coming out of me!” Then he looked at the interviewer camera and said “I was young and stupid.”
Paul McGann’s character was also brilliant. Alien 3 was not a typical Alien film and that’s what made it great, it was gritty, moody and dark and Bishop’s scene really hits that home.
I remember eating this stuff up in the sci-fi movie rags in the '90s as a Teepling, about how it was supposed to be a Cold War thing but they got cold feet (hah) after the Berlin Wall fell. Reading about that goofy stuff in the Alien series was part of my formative parts of being a scifi nerd. Also 3 still has one of my favorite moments in the series when it did that scary version of the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning.
I once read someone who explained that Alien 3 should have had a change in genre, the way Alien to Aliens did. They proposed that Alien 3 should have been a heist movie...which could have still worked with the real Alien 3's prison setting.
Dude. Epic video my guy. I shared this with my movie buff film friend. And you're right, Micheal Biehn is a legend. Shame, I would like to see that Monk stuff, lol.
Great episode, to anyone who enjoyed this I highly recommend Oliver Harper's retrospective on Alien 3 (and pretty much any of his retrospectives), while lacking in Matt's flair for comedy, Oliver gives great insight and context to a lot of the "what happened?"'s in films of the past and I find them highly enjoyable.
Oooh, I've always wanted to learn about this movie's history. Never seen it, only seen the first two. Btw, is there any chance you'll ever cover Insomniac's Fuse? Thanks!
I think I'm one of like 3 people who actually likes Alien 3. I really like the unique setting, the grimmer tone of the film, the leaner and meaner alien, and the bittersweet ending. It definitely does have quite a few blemishes but it's still a pretty solid film if you judge it as its own standalone piece. In fact it probably would have been received better as a standalone movie.
It took me a minute to find the comment sections, but Matt, I just want to show you my verbal support (because the BRL to USD exchange is nuts right now so I can't Patreon you) and say that you're one of the only youtubers I still support and watch videos. Your quick looks are not really my thing but seeing you playing things you enjoy or have fun making the video of is really nice, but you really shine on your on the spot comments like in the Xbox reveal video as well as in these kind of videos like "what happened" and other similar ones. Keep it up! I hope you're doing well!
Watching both versions, I get why people prefer the Assembly Cut, but it has problems of its own, mostly pacing that makes it drag. I wish there was a cut somewhere in between those two versions, but really, Alien 3 in any state is just an OK movie and a bad sequel. I get why some people like it, but ultimately so many ideas and characters are half-baked or clumsily slammed in there, you would need to reshoot most of the movie to get a worthy sequel to Alien/Aliens. Well, at least we have Alien: Isolation.
Imagine going to the cinema and say "This is the worst Alien movie ever made". We could never imagine. Yeah, after all and in perspective, it was okay.
Another amazing video that i just watched, and me and my friend already backed In Search of Tomorrow last week, and we pledge for the Admiral Kirk reward!
I remember hearing that H.R. Giger actually went to the producers of Alien 3 and repeatedly asked to help work on it, even going so far as to make a new alien design for free sending it to them, only for the producers to repeatedly turn him down.
I liked it, it's nihilistic setting made it my favourite of the franchise; it could not live in isolation (no pun intended) but as a trilogy ender I thought it worked with lots of fun unanswered questions.
I've literally only seen a directors cut version of this film which was in a collectors set and the version I saw is absolutely excellent. IDK the original that everyone always hates on but the one I saw is the best of the quadrilogy easily. The only thing I didn't like was Newt and Hicks being written out for no real reason.
Same, I don't know which version I saw, it's been years, but I remember actually liking it a lot outside of Newt and Hicks being unceremoniously killed off.
I respectfully disagree. While there were some cool shots here and there, it felt mostly like a boringly suffocating movie with a cast of characters that you couldn't give two shits about (Ripley aside of course). What made Alien and Aliens work so well was partly because of how sympathetic and memorable the whole cast was which made the viewer care when the titular Alien impaled them through the chest. Alien 3 replaced said cast which a bunch of unlikable, obnoxious and crazy prisoners that were barely distinguishable from each other to the point I was actually looking forward to see the Aliens getting rid of them than seeing them overcoming the Xenomorphs.
I assume you're talking about the 2003 Assembly Cut. It might as well be a Director's Cut except David Fincher had no involvement with it. This version is considered 'as close as possible to his original vision' and as far as I'm concerned, it's the only version of the film.
@@TheMaestro116 Eh, most of the marines weren't interesting in Aliens. Alien 3 had much more memorable characters in the form of Dillon, Aaron, Clemens, etc.
There is a difference in taking a sponsorship for the money and taking a sponsorship because you support the sponsor. And I 100% whole-heartedly believe you support In Search of Tomorrow. It is going to be a love letter to one of the best genres of film and during the best time period for that genre. If it's as good as In Search of Darkness it will be a must watch for any and all sci-fi fans out there.
On a real note Alien 3 is a good gem of a sci-fi movie to come across if you were looking for sci-fi movies from a bit ago apart from the established big ones, I dig it
Making movies is already a chaotic process, but the huge amount of executive meddling clearly didnt' help this particular film. Great video by the way.
I've always been mixed on this movie. I will say though, the wooden satellite sounds like a unique and cool idea, too bad it got shafted in favour of Fiora. I do like that, in essence, they kept the religious monks, that's one aspect I like about Alien 3.
If only we could get each of those abandoned scripts made today (with a few alterations so that Sigourney Weaver can move on with her life), we might actually get back to having interesting Alien films.
It never ceases to amaze me how a studio can see a great script that might need some tweaking and instead of saying "This is good let's just tighten it up" they throw it out wholesale and then end up going with a blatantly terrible script.
I feel like alien 3 is my favourite of the franchise with its apocalyptical soundtrack and matching dread tone, its my favourite and it sticks out from the others in a good way. Hell I prefer it more than the first alien
BTW Michael Biehn is one of the nicest people you will ever meet. Met him and his wife Jennifer at the opening night for her directorial debut movie "The Victim". Right before the movie started he sat down right next to me in the theater. One of the best nights of my life, getting to talk with him as I am a huge fan of his work
He either misspoke or misunderstood a summary or something. In the story the company comes into political conflict with this federation or union of space communists. Also iirc they were latin-american, not soviet.
This movie is a personal rabbit hole of mine. I have dug up so much info on this nightmare of a production that I've kind of become obsessed with it. To me the production is far more fascinating than the movie itself.
The alien was not cg. It was a rod puppet that they super imposed on the film which is why it looks off; they couldn't get the lighting to match and they really didn't much post production to make it look any better. The only cgi in the entire movie were the cracks on the alien's head right before it exploded, some shadows here and there, and some things blowing around on the planet's surface.
I saw Alien Cubed in the theater in the summer of 1992. It was one of the first movies I got to see by myself, and I was really excited about it. I was still pretty young and hadn't really developed a critical eye, especially for a franchise like Alien, which I loved with a passion. I remember leaving the theater thinking "What the hell did I just watch? Was that movie... awful?" It was a very sobering experience for lil me.
I am part of the minority that liked Alien 3 and saw it as an end to Ellen Ripley's story, gave me vibes that they would've done more with Alien but with different people allowing anyone to have a role as iconic Ripley or Hex and what not, but apparently Fox has to ruin everything... 🤷♂️
Also one thing, the director's cut of Alien 3 as pointed out by Matt McMuscles, is not only an improvement but is the best version of Alien 3 to watch, made even me impressed. 😁
I personally hate it the most though. 3 feels like a big middle finger to 2 while the other later films don't really tie into 1 and/or 2 at all. I mean, 4 is bad but in a dumb way and at least Ron Perlman is fun. Prometheus has some great music, visuals, and half the cast is great, it's just bogged down by everything else. AvP 1 is okay, but the final act kicks ass when it's just the girl and Predator silently fighting xenomorphs. Even Covenant at least has Fassbender giving it his all. 3 just feels soul-crushing to watch for me. I recommend watching Nostalgia Critic's review of 3, he pretty much summed up everything I detest about 3. It's "better" than AvP 2, I'll give it that.
This is why I wish it had gone more of the first script route where Hicks takes the lead character role with Ripley and Newt as supporting characters. The three of them going after Weyland Yutani itself and then finally destroying the real Bishop (with obviously some big bad Xenos on the way because we all know how much Weyland loves the Xenos and never learns from their past mistakes).
@@doctordoom85 Nostalgia Critic's Alien 3 review was garbage, he gets several things wrong about the movie (like usual) and complains about the movie being unfinished, but doesn't even bother watching the Assembly Cut. I'd honestly even recommend watching Chris Stuckmann's Alien 3 video over Nostalgia Critic's.
That has got to be one of my favorite stupid things Hollywood execs do.
"We want this movie to be made quickly, but instead we're gonna take several years of saying no to scripts only to then scramble to get things done when we realize we took too long."
It's like they took 20 detours to end up on the wrong destination when it was just a couple miles...
Just dumb.
Basically "we put money in, things come out". No matter how much THEY delay or how much THEY interfere, its all the "ground team" problem.
Considering how much money they input it is more than fair that they get a say on the matter and interfere but not 24/7 and not this erroneous. In essence they played the overly-jealous husband/wife who fcked their marriage because of their jealous attacks and still blamed the other part.
>committing to all sorts of deadlines and schedules before the script is even approved
Hollywood is such a clusterfuck. I'm glad it's burning.
Sounds like where i work. We had a 3 year plan and rushed everything into the last 6 months
@@battlion507 to be fair they did stick their necks out it was a very risky movie. killing off the characters, getting rid of everything that made Aliens so successfull and puting an artistic rookie in charge. That would never happen now with a 100 million movie. so at least some props for that.
If only we had listened to Fincher, instead of walling him up in the abandoned coke oven.
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What? Hearing the people expert in making movies? Nah fam, the people who do know how to make movies are the suits, you know the one who studied all their lives to understand numbers and managing bussiness and.. not to make movies
Ripley needs braces
BOSH. FLIMSHAW.
this movie show how good of a director he realy is cos it shows that he can work from next to no script no money a tight dead line and studio interference.
James Cameron: "Alien 3 was a smack in the face to the fans..."
Also James Cameron: Green lights Terminator Dark Date, which kills off John Connor in the first 5 damn mins of the movie...
Age sure takes a toll on the mind...
@DoodooMcSparkz A long time ago he admitted he doesn't like any of the Terminator sequels but praised them anyway because the producers were usually his friends or were paying him a fee. He praised both Gensys and Salvation before they came out just to shitalk them after they left theaters
Yeah, James Cameron is a twat.
I'm that one guy that likes every Terminator movie
@@CoffeePotGames How do you live with yourself
I always hated how they killed off all the other characters from Aliens. Kinda cheapens the impact from Aliens when all of the characters die immediately afterwards.
While the Alien films have always had a foreboding sense of dread and pessimism, killing off Newt and Hicks was just too mean spirited for the films. Though it's still not the worst that came from the series, that (dis)honor belongs to Randy Pitchford and his sack of lies and shit "Aliens: Colonial Marines".
Aliens nightmare asylum and earth war
@@grayamirYT there are actually pretty good books based on that, but yeah it was a copyright issue on the names. Both Hicks and Newt had to have their names changed in these.
@@grayamirYT Yeah I bought them when they first came out as individual issues and I swear they're called Newt and Hicks in those. They must have been changed for later re-issues?
Aliens colonial marines was the biggest slap in the face to me as a aliens fan and the fact I waited 10 years for a alien stand alone game then the fact they didn’t deliver what they promised us at the revieal it has to be the biggest slap in. The face to fans ever made in this franchises history
"We set out to make a release date"
Unfortunately, that's still a thing.
That's how almost all movies are made At this point.
@@Xehanort10 yeah like Alien 3 and Ghost Rider 2, which would defiantly be great What Happened? Material right there, possibly worth a look due to it's disappointment, here's hoping that Ghost Rider 2 What Happened video will happen. 🤞😉
@@MemeMachine-po9zo most AAA video games too, it seems
Electronic arts.......
You totaly forgot thath part when they ignored H.R.Giger triing to get on project, used his new xenomorph design he send them and kinda forgot to credit him
That's a raw deal.
That's a big oof, right there
@@pepijn23 He also said the Aliens in Resurrection look like "walking turds".
And then he faxed them a letter threatening to like, curse them, and signed it with a bloody pentagram.
No they didn't, *they* were the ones who contacted *him*, but they thought his designs were too weird, so they designed it themselfs.
I'd love to know what the Fox executives' reasons were for scrapping all of those scripts. It reminds me of the Super Mario Bros. movie script that seemed way better than what we got. Also, I can't help but grin at seeing the xenomorph being played by a small dog in a suit. That dog should've gotten top billing, dammit.
Budget. It was already way over budget
In SMB case, the hire on directors changed everything that was originally written and agreed with the actors.
Alien: the goodest boy in space
That is literally the Worst/Best thing I ever saw so they dressed a actual dog up as a alien.
There's clips out there of the dog running around in costume, it's hilarious!
It's kind of like when that guy dressed his corgi up as a giant spider and let it loose in the park.
Okay, I need to see this Spider Corgi. Do you have a link to it?
Ditto! I would love some spider corgi in my life, danke.
@@EuroMIX2 I can't find the original video of it, and also it was a daschund. i.ytimg.com/vi/YoB8t0B4jx4/hqdefault.jpg
The fact that you can make What Happened's on every sequel after Aliens brings a tear to my eye... I also find it weird that each movie afterwards does the Resident Evil movie thing and just kill off characters in-between films or during the beginning. That's what you get for caring I guess.
Good point!!!🙏👍😷
Well imagine being Matt who's a predator fan, ya know... the series that only has 1 good movie out of like 6
@@marcos.a8814 2 good movies*, Predator 2 is underrated
@@mountaindewdruggie debatable
@@RatzCarnatz yeah, i'd say Predators is about tied with 3rd place
James Cameron's thoughts on Alien 3: "A huge slap in the face to the fans"
I wonder if he feels the same way about Terminator Dark Fate?
after dark fate came out Cameron tried to save himself and say he actually didn't see anything but bits and pieces when he approved it and didn't know the final product was that bad.
Thank you. Dark fate was garbage.
@@onometre there's a big disconnect between critics and audiences. And that critical score hasn't kept Cameron from walking back his involvement.
Uncle Franklin you are confusing Dark Fate with Genysis. Cameron was a producer on Dark Fate so he definitely saw that entire movie...
@@CrimsonGear80 I don't believe him, In fact I think he's just making excuses after the fact. Although the director did say he was barely involved on set or in the editing room so maybe there's some truth there.
Fortunately for David Fincher, he's since proven that he was waaaaaaaaay too good for what Fox did to him while he was making Alien 3.
What has David Fincher done?
@@thatonenerd9252 Fight Club, Panic Room, Gone Girl, Benjamin Button, Zodiac. All of his movies are outstanding.
@@matrixandraia You forgot Se7en
So glad this didn’t ruin David Fincher’s career before it started. Too bad it killed the Alien franchise which still hasn’t recovered.
ehh, it had a chance to recuperate but failed worse.
resurrection killed the franchise.
@@robjabbaz It's a shame cause Neil Blomkamp (director of several amazing movies including District 9) was going to be the director for Alien 5 which got scrapped. There goes any chance of redemption of the franchise there (and also because I think Neil would be the perfect director for it).
@@boxtank5288 Covenant is such a travesty. I hate how much I want to like that movie. Beautiful set pieces and the absolute pinnacle of modern cinematography, all just to get shit on by the plot and characters :')
Prometheus is a bit better, but more or less has the same problems.
If you take everything about David off in Alien convenant, and just focus on that crew and the shit that happens to them in the surface and them in the ship it would be a awesome stand alone Alien movie
But no, Ridley Scott wanted so much to focus on androids and artificial life in the Alien franchise that he forgot Balde runner existed and he could easily make another one
How was the phrase 'wooden satellite' used more than once without the speaker being laughed out of the room?
As amazingly stupid as it sounds, people who have actually read it generally regard it really highly. Aliens was nothing like Alien, it wouldnt have been that big of a deal to make Alien 3 another huge departure.
I personally like the concept, but I'm a weirdo😹 It could be the basis for a space mystery and some wicked wacky wizardry to invent to make this celestial holiday ornament full of swordless Jedi more compelling than as stupid as it may look on paper.
@@TheLinkandmarioshow I was thinking the same thing. Or maybe petrified wood?
I mean. I see potential to the idea if re prhase it like some kind of plant/tree that consume a little planet or asteroid and the hollow roots take the shape of it and float around a orbit.
It was more of a steampunk thing, it was really well thought out. Very expensive to film though.
I couldn't control myself seeing them putting a xenomorph suit on a dog
Last of us part 2 xenomorph edition
If you do another movie flop (besides Dragon Ball Evolution and Avatar the Last Airbender), can you cover the 2015 Fantastic Four film?
Oh god, was it really from 2015? Time passes too fast
Specially after Josh Trank recently gave his thoughts on the whole ordeal to Polygon.
Oh my god, somehow I ended up looking down that rabbit hole... what a total mess. I can’t believe Michael B Jordan did that movie.
I hope he does Waterworld
Shit i could see an entire Wha Happun episode on Josh Trank’s dumpster fire of a career
Its all just sad really. And I like alien3 assembly cut for what its worth. There are so many nuggets of brilliance in the film.
It made me wanna jack off and cry at the same time
@@damienhelmold6978 I can't recall any sexually arousing scenes.
I feel the worst for the actors, a lot of them are clearly giving it their all.
@@ressljs I also love alien 3 it's just so unique and has that sense of dread that aliens often lacked.
@@ressljs I know what you mean. 3 really is a hidden gem.
I honestly wish they had gone with the first script idea of Ripley, Newt and Hicks taking on Weyland Yutani to destroy them. There could've been so much potential there to go all out with the xenos given Weyland's interest in the aliens and also to give Hicks the leading role as was the original director's intent. Poor Hicks and Newt got done dirty big time. The Alien 3 we got in the end was okay I guess.
Yeah, having a happy ending starring three characters people actually like, you'd think it would make for a nice movie, shocker
@@rootfelixfake6716 You could still have Ripley die at the end. e.g. Dies to CEO of Weyland or to a Xeno.
@@xDinomanx It's not really her dying but the rest of the story being super depressing, and resurrection makes this even worse by stating that her sacrifice was for nothing.
@@rootfelixfake6716 Oh yeah, they pretty much botched it. Although i did enjoy Resurrection as a kid, it's definately one of the worst Alien movies as a whole (does have some cool action sequences though).
Honestly, I'm not against them killing any of the characters off, but the fact that they did off screen with zero build up or weight behind really annoys me. They were such important characters in the last film and all they got was like 5 seconds of establishing that they're dead and 2 seconds of mourning.
The brutality that they shot the scene of the autopsy of Newt still haunts me today. And breaks my mind in not knowing "why did they do that!?"
Alien 3 isn't just embarrassing and ridiculous, it's an absolute disaster.
The autopsy scene with Newt makes me so angry and sad every time.
Even David Fincher hates and despises this shitty movie.
“Fox believed that the Cold War would be over by the time the movie was out”
Fox: *_hampers movie’s progress so it releases after the Cold War ends_* “See? We were right al along!”
Treating David Fincher like this on his first movie makes me remember that one time a Studio suit told Steven Spielberg that he would ammount to nothing in Hollywood
Well history proved him wrong in the end didn’t it
This happens in more movies than most people realize. Unnecessary interference from big suits in the filming process can be absolutely disastrous.
am I the only one who so wants to see him cover the Spawn movie from 1997?
Me too!
John Luigizamo’s cheerleader dance as the Violator was the stuff of nightmares
I'm sure a lot of people do
The Assembly Cut is so close to being a decent film, it's tragic. Has legs up until the third act before it turns into a completely incoherent mess.
They could only fix so much in the end.
I think he largely means the tunnel chase scenes where its hard to keep track of who dies and who lives.
@@Amitlu Yes. That sequence in particular.
But also themes. In the assembly cut, they actually do a pretty good job of conveying themes of the value of a human life and the fucked up way that it is largely disregarded for prisoners. Then, in the third act, it is completely thrown out the window and never referenced again and the focus just becomes Ripley's tragedy.
It's messy and conversely asks you not to think to much about the film's conclusion after spending more than half the film asking you to think about injustice. It's thematic whiplash.
If the assembly cut is Close to decent, imagine how good it could have been without the interference . Tragic.
Killing off Hicks and Newt was a bad decision, but Alien 3 is not a bad movie on its own. It's a very dark and atmospherical movie, and honestly very unique for a sequel to an action blockbuster. Morse, Dillon and Clemens were awesome new characters. The movie looks and sounds fantastic, Elliot Goldenthal's score is absolutely perfect. The alien becoming different depending on what animal the host was, is a really cool addition. Ripley's death scene is really well done, and even though Aliens was already pretty much a perfect ending, this is still a great send off for the Ripley character. Far better than what they did with her in Resurrection. I'm really glad this movie exists.
Everything you just said is a lie
@@ForrestFox626 Yeah, but it's opposite day, so it's all true.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09yyyeeeeah no
@@ForrestFox626 Say what you want about the quality of the movie, but the score is absolutely fantastic
@@superdrinkingpepsi True
I'm one of those that has come around to this film. I absolutely hated it the first time I saw it, but when I saw the assembly cut I started to change my mind on it. While not the film Fincher wanted to make, his talent is very clear in it, and you even see early signs of his style that he would develop and refine over the years.
I like the bleak and oppressive tone, the visuals are often gorgeous, the acting is top notch, the music while a bit over the top at times is fantastic, and I like that all three of the first Alien films didn't try to replicate each other, they all approached the concept in a unique way. While the most flawed of the first three Alien films, I think it's on par with the first two. However, had Fincher been able to make the film he wanted, I think it could have easily been the best.
Same here. It's absolutely a flawed film, but it has moments of brilliance. Genie-from-a-bottle? One of my wishes would be to see the movie that Alien3 could have been.
Yeah, in a lot of ways Alien3 is a testament to just how talented Fincher already was. The film *should* have been an absolutely unwatchable dumpster fire, but Fincher's skill with the camera and working with actors was still enough to elevate it to "watchable."
So how was alien Ressurection?
@@battlion507 it was something all right. It has its moments, and Ron Perlman is always a delight, but it comes across more as a spoof of the first three films, rather than a continuation. It's still entertaining, but like the first AVP film, I put it in it's own seperate camp.
"If you're like me- and I know I am."
Aww Matt. Why do you do these things that hurt us so?
I always wonder if he’d return to this genre nowadays. With his experience and and vision, it could be mind-blowing.
David Fincher is so badass that even Jim Cameron is a fan!
Mike Manhattan He's directed Se7en, Fight Club, Panic Room, Girl with the dragon tattoo, Gone Girl. He's an amazing director with his own style and atmosphere so it's a surprise he got another chance after Aliens 3
@@RubexQewb Don't forget the wonderful Mindhunter too. But yeah you got most of em lol.
Rogue Planet Forgot about that one! What's funny is I didn't know he directed it till I 5 minutes into the first episode and cuz how the color filter looked and the music. I'm like " did David Fincher direct this?" Lol
@@RubexQewb So dark and saturated if those are the right words but I love it. I can't wait for season 3, it's really neat seeing him do another realistic drama.
Fox: Ya can’t spell Alien without “Lie”
Song in that trailer is Skeletons in the Attic by Dance With The Dead for those wondering!
oh man seeing that dog crammed into the alien costume gives me bad feels
good to see it realized what was going on and refused to act
Pussy cat
Now this might be torture but how about a What happened? Episode on Highlander 2?
How can he do a video on a movie that doesn't exist.
@@ROBOTPETER101 ?
@@bigkmoviesandgames
The joke is that Highlander 2 is so bad that every Highlander fan pretends it never happened.
@@bigkmoviesandgames the later highlander films are so bad that the fandom collectively ignore them.
THERE IS NO HIGHLANDER 2!!!
I tell people that Alien 3 is one of my favorite movies and I get weird looks, but then I explain to them about the Assembly Cut and how Fincher got screwed over by the studio and killed what could have been a good movie.
Alien 3 Assembly Cut is one of my favorite films too.
I'm very glad that Fincher was able to bounce back. I felt so bad for him while being told about this whole mess. I knew that the theatrical cut was a mess but I had no idea the extent of it.
I would give you weird looks if you said Alien *Resurrection* was your favorite movie.
Yep, Assembly Cut is a great movie.
This whole shitty movie is totally weird.
Alien 3 is a disaster.
Hi Matt, it seems every time I look at my youtube page there's another upload from you. Thank you for keeping us entertained during quarantine
It's worth noting that Fincher was already quite experienced when he made Alien3. He was actually a big deal at the time, even without directing a single feature film. The studio he co-founded, Propaganda Films, was *THE* production company for slick ads and other promo videos. He'd won tons of awards and helped define the "look" of 80s pop filmmaking. And an absolutely absurd amount of future talent got their start there over the years doing videos and ads - including Michael Bay, Gore Verbinski, Spike Jonze, and Zach Snyder.
you know for a second there… I thought this was the aliens 3 Sega Genesis game.
It's sad that this kind of thing is still happening with movies being made today. Studios never learn.
Funny that one of the best directors of our time (or ever) started his career with a flop. Kinda inspiring, really
I don’t understand why shows made so good as this doesn’t have millions of subs but crap shows do. Man I love this show thanks for everything champ
*THIS HAS BEEN AN EPISODE I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR*
Justice League-What Happened?
I'm curious to see how Matt can tackle that debacle into a 20 minute video.
I don't even want to.
@@MattMcMuscles LMAO. I don’t blame you, especially since it's an ongoing issue.
I would just like to see something about the scrapped version of Justice League that was supposed to be directed by George Miller of Mad Max fame.
I am disappointed we didn't get to see Immortan Martian or Valkyrie Wonder Woman.
Joss Whedon, that's wha Happun
I’m just gonna say this then bounce: I like Alien 3. It’s nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens, sure, but as a closer to Ripley’s story it was fine. The Assembly Cut is the version to go for though.
Pity Fox decided to ruin that character in Resurrection.
Which deserves it's own Wha Happened
I loved Alien 3. I hated Resurrection, that shit was too hollywood.
@@3_1_3rd_gaming I still liked a couple of the action sequences but yeah the movie sucks.
No, it was not good. You speak blasphemy. Or is it heresy? MAYBE BOTH
The voice you did at 11:00 for the Michael Biehn interview is absolute gold 👑
I felt bishop was going to be revealed as a villain in the third, I always thought he implanted an alien into Hicks then put him to sleep and opened the doors for the aliens earlier. There was a line he says "they wanted a live specimen, they were quite clear about that" that always stuck with me
The comics that focused on the the three that survived at the end of Aliens is a whole lot better than what fox did with Alien 3. The relationship with hicks and the little girl. I still refrain from watching this film and I don't think Ill ever watch it.
Michael B has admitted to saying everything in that quote block you credited him for at 11:40. Then, as he said “I told my agent I don’t care how much they pay me that thing (the alien) is not coming out of me!” Then he looked at the interviewer camera and said “I was young and stupid.”
Paul McGann’s character was also brilliant. Alien 3 was not a typical Alien film and that’s what made it great, it was gritty, moody and dark and Bishop’s scene really hits that home.
I remember eating this stuff up in the sci-fi movie rags in the '90s as a Teepling, about how it was supposed to be a Cold War thing but they got cold feet (hah) after the Berlin Wall fell. Reading about that goofy stuff in the Alien series was part of my formative parts of being a scifi nerd. Also 3 still has one of my favorite moments in the series when it did that scary version of the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning.
I once read someone who explained that Alien 3 should have had a change in genre, the way Alien to Aliens did. They proposed that Alien 3 should have been a heist movie...which could have still worked with the real Alien 3's prison setting.
Dude. Epic video my guy. I shared this with my movie buff film friend. And you're right, Micheal Biehn is a legend. Shame, I would like to see that Monk stuff, lol.
Great episode, to anyone who enjoyed this I highly recommend Oliver Harper's retrospective on Alien 3 (and pretty much any of his retrospectives), while lacking in Matt's flair for comedy, Oliver gives great insight and context to a lot of the "what happened?"'s in films of the past and I find them highly enjoyable.
Fox: we want a sequel now!
Also Fox: *rejects scripts for 4 damn years*
@tsorf fuck Hollywood they ruined favorite movies and shows.
Even horrible live anime movie
Oooh, I've always wanted to learn about this movie's history. Never seen it, only seen the first two. Btw, is there any chance you'll ever cover Insomniac's Fuse? Thanks!
I'd recommend the assembly cut of alien 3 if you'd like to see it.
Fuse? I thought it was called Overstrike and.... ooooh...
And Insomniac with EA... oooh nooo...
There's a 3hr long making of documentary, which is excellent.
I think I'm one of like 3 people who actually likes Alien 3. I really like the unique setting, the grimmer tone of the film, the leaner and meaner alien, and the bittersweet ending. It definitely does have quite a few blemishes but it's still a pretty solid film if you judge it as its own standalone piece. In fact it probably would have been received better as a standalone movie.
The Assembly Cut was actually pretty good. Wasn't super great, but it was at least much more competent.
Matthew's Michael Biehn impression is golden.
I love how the dog's reaction is the same as the audience: "Really? REALLY?"
It took me a minute to find the comment sections, but Matt, I just want to show you my verbal support (because the BRL to USD exchange is nuts right now so I can't Patreon you) and say that you're one of the only youtubers I still support and watch videos. Your quick looks are not really my thing but seeing you playing things you enjoy or have fun making the video of is really nice, but you really shine on your on the spot comments like in the Xbox reveal video as well as in these kind of videos like "what happened" and other similar ones. Keep it up! I hope you're doing well!
Watching both versions, I get why people prefer the Assembly Cut, but it has problems of its own, mostly pacing that makes it drag. I wish there was a cut somewhere in between those two versions, but really, Alien 3 in any state is just an OK movie and a bad sequel. I get why some people like it, but ultimately so many ideas and characters are half-baked or clumsily slammed in there, you would need to reshoot most of the movie to get a worthy sequel to Alien/Aliens.
Well, at least we have Alien: Isolation.
Imagine going to the cinema and say "This is the worst Alien movie ever made". We could never imagine.
Yeah, after all and in perspective, it was okay.
Another amazing video that i just watched, and me and my friend already backed In Search of Tomorrow last week, and we pledge for the Admiral Kirk reward!
I remember hearing that H.R. Giger actually went to the producers of Alien 3 and repeatedly asked to help work on it, even going so far as to make a new alien design for free sending it to them, only for the producers to repeatedly turn him down.
The BD Assembly Cut of Alien 3 was actually pretty decent.
2:17
Proceeds to do the exact same thing to his own Terminator franchise with Dark Fate.
I liked it, it's nihilistic setting made it my favourite of the franchise; it could not live in isolation (no pun intended) but as a trilogy ender I thought it worked with lots of fun unanswered questions.
And I’d still rather watch this over Covenant
Covenant is a fucking underrated film.
I agree. Covenant is godawful garbage, all the more surprising when you consider Ridley Scott directed it.
I've literally only seen a directors cut version of this film which was in a collectors set and the version I saw is absolutely excellent. IDK the original that everyone always hates on but the one I saw is the best of the quadrilogy easily. The only thing I didn't like was Newt and Hicks being written out for no real reason.
Same, I don't know which version I saw, it's been years, but I remember actually liking it a lot outside of Newt and Hicks being unceremoniously killed off.
I respectfully disagree. While there were some cool shots here and there, it felt mostly like a boringly suffocating movie with a cast of characters that you couldn't give two shits about (Ripley aside of course). What made Alien and Aliens work so well was partly because of how sympathetic and memorable the whole cast was which made the viewer care when the titular Alien impaled them through the chest. Alien 3 replaced said cast which a bunch of unlikable, obnoxious and crazy prisoners that were barely distinguishable from each other to the point I was actually looking forward to see the Aliens getting rid of them than seeing them overcoming the Xenomorphs.
I assume you're talking about the 2003 Assembly Cut. It might as well be a Director's Cut except David Fincher had no involvement with it. This version is considered 'as close as possible to his original vision' and as far as I'm concerned, it's the only version of the film.
@@TheMaestro116 Eh, most of the marines weren't interesting in Aliens. Alien 3 had much more memorable characters in the form of Dillon, Aaron, Clemens, etc.
Huge love towards hearing "if you're like me (and I know I am)" for the first time in ages
Omg that clip of the live action avatar movie brought back unpleasant memories
Daaawwww, the little dog looks so cute in his alien outfit. I would just die!
"I think it was a big mistake."... well said.
There is a difference in taking a sponsorship for the money and taking a sponsorship because you support the sponsor. And I 100% whole-heartedly believe you support In Search of Tomorrow. It is going to be a love letter to one of the best genres of film and during the best time period for that genre. If it's as good as In Search of Darkness it will be a must watch for any and all sci-fi fans out there.
I personally really enjoyed Alien 3 when I first watched it. It helps that I love Fincher’s movies, and I wasn’t really a fan of Aliens.
On a real note Alien 3 is a good gem of a sci-fi movie to come across if you were looking for sci-fi movies from a bit ago apart from the established big ones, I dig it
Heck yeah, I’ve been waiting for this one
This movie is the single most fascinating failure. It's so full of good ideas, that absolutely all want nothing to do with each other.
Till this very day my dad and I remember being so disappointed in this movie. We saw it in the theater... ALIENS is still the best. Period.
Making movies is already a chaotic process, but the huge amount of executive meddling clearly didnt' help this particular film. Great video by the way.
I've always been mixed on this movie. I will say though, the wooden satellite sounds like a unique and cool idea, too bad it got shafted in favour of Fiora. I do like that, in essence, they kept the religious monks, that's one aspect I like about Alien 3.
If only we could get each of those abandoned scripts made today (with a few alterations so that Sigourney Weaver can move on with her life), we might actually get back to having interesting Alien films.
There’s a whole story about how hr giger’s xenomorph got rejected too.
It never ceases to amaze me how a studio can see a great script that might need some tweaking and instead of saying "This is good let's just tighten it up" they throw it out wholesale and then end up going with a blatantly terrible script.
do a video on the star wars sequel trilogy
That would be such a long video.
@@michaelwolfe9496 could be 3 videos
I feel like alien 3 is my favourite of the franchise with its apocalyptical soundtrack and matching dread tone, its my favourite and it sticks out from the others in a good way. Hell I prefer it more than the first alien
At least we'll always have Pitch Black
BTW Michael Biehn is one of the nicest people you will ever meet. Met him and his wife Jennifer at the opening night for her directorial debut movie "The Victim". Right before the movie started he sat down right next to me in the theater. One of the best nights of my life, getting to talk with him as I am a huge fan of his work
4:29 "...with the company displaying a lot of similarities with soviet russia in it's ideology." DOES NOT COMPUTE
He either misspoke or misunderstood a summary or something. In the story the company comes into political conflict with this federation or union of space communists. Also iirc they were latin-american, not soviet.
This movie is a personal rabbit hole of mine. I have dug up so much info on this nightmare of a production that I've kind of become obsessed with it. To me the production is far more fascinating than the movie itself.
you went the extra mile with the Charles Dance voice, 10/10.
Glad to see you doing another movie episode. Good stuff
Matt please make a Dragonball Evolution What Happun!
This the one project I have truly been waiting for
To me, the alien franchise (along with terminator and predator) ended at the sequel
The alien was not cg. It was a rod puppet that they super imposed on the film which is why it looks off; they couldn't get the lighting to match and they really didn't much post production to make it look any better. The only cgi in the entire movie were the cracks on the alien's head right before it exploded, some shadows here and there, and some things blowing around on the planet's surface.
Bruh, this is the First time I seen you post at night a What Happened
I saw Alien Cubed in the theater in the summer of 1992. It was one of the first movies I got to see by myself, and I was really excited about it. I was still pretty young and hadn't really developed a critical eye, especially for a franchise like Alien, which I loved with a passion.
I remember leaving the theater thinking "What the hell did I just watch? Was that movie... awful?" It was a very sobering experience for lil me.
15:50 Alien 3 subverting expectations before it was cool
I am part of the minority that liked Alien 3 and saw it as an end to Ellen Ripley's story, gave me vibes that they would've done more with Alien but with different people allowing anyone to have a role as iconic Ripley or Hex and what not, but apparently Fox has to ruin everything... 🤷♂️
Also one thing, the director's cut of Alien 3 as pointed out by Matt McMuscles, is not only an improvement but is the best version of Alien 3 to watch, made even me impressed. 😁
Matt! Do Wha Happened with Godfather 3!!! Just like this, the first one was great, the second was the absolute BEST and then the third was....MEH!
You're killing me with these, Mr. McMuscles, keep up the stellar work!
Alien 3 might have its issues, but it’s probably the best movie after Aliens, especially when you compare it to the other films later on.
I personally hate it the most though. 3 feels like a big middle finger to 2 while the other later films don't really tie into 1 and/or 2 at all. I mean, 4 is bad but in a dumb way and at least Ron Perlman is fun. Prometheus has some great music, visuals, and half the cast is great, it's just bogged down by everything else. AvP 1 is okay, but the final act kicks ass when it's just the girl and Predator silently fighting xenomorphs. Even Covenant at least has Fassbender giving it his all. 3 just feels soul-crushing to watch for me. I recommend watching Nostalgia Critic's review of 3, he pretty much summed up everything I detest about 3. It's "better" than AvP 2, I'll give it that.
That isn't saying much
This is why I wish it had gone more of the first script route where Hicks takes the lead character role with Ripley and Newt as supporting characters. The three of them going after Weyland Yutani itself and then finally destroying the real Bishop (with obviously some big bad Xenos on the way because we all know how much Weyland loves the Xenos and never learns from their past mistakes).
@@xDinomanx Hicks isn't lead character material.
@@doctordoom85 Nostalgia Critic's Alien 3 review was garbage, he gets several things wrong about the movie (like usual) and complains about the movie being unfinished, but doesn't even bother watching the Assembly Cut. I'd honestly even recommend watching Chris Stuckmann's Alien 3 video over Nostalgia Critic's.