First Comment! I have both DX and FX and Z mount in Nikon. I never use a crop or DX lens on my full frame cameras. But I have used my full frame FX lenses on my crop or DX body. In any case it is best to use full frame lenses on full frame bodies and DX lenses on DX bodies. I agree, just do the cropping in post not let the camera crop the capture (in the center). If you started out with a crop sensor body and then added a full frame body, you may be stuck in this "limbo" but I would suggest moving completely into full frame with all your gear. Better resolution and less noise at high ISO's. Thanks David, for all your informative videos and great sense of humor!
I am on team Bergman . . . full frame lenses for full frame bodies and crop in post. On an APS-C bodies it's an "All Skate" . . . shoot whatever lens you have that meets your need. Cheers!
Another reason for not using crop mode on a full frame with a full frame lens is there is more room for tracking fast moving subjects. I cut off far fewer wing tips or running legs using full sensor. And I can find the target easier too.
I use crop mode on my Canon R5 under certain conditions to help with auto focus. While shooting small or distant birds, if the bird is too small in the frame for autofocus to lock on the bird, I find that using crop mode helps the autofocus by making the bird larger in the frame for the camera to identify and lock focus.
For Canon DSLR's they always tell you not to install a crop sensor (EF-S) lens onto a full frame camera as the mount pushes farther into the body and can damage the mirror when you click the shutter button. But when I picked up the R8 and an adapter, I tried it as the adapter pushes the lens out away from the sensor, and, there was no mirror to hit. The 10-18 even in crop mode should give me an equivalent 16mm which is what I was looking for. But with the lowered resolution, and quite a bit of distortion, I opted to just get a full frame RF 15-30mm. While not the best lens they have, it's better than what I was getting with the EF-S 10-18mm.
Using Sony Cameras, it is easy to switch between formats, the mount is the same and there are hundreds of Lenses for Sony E-mount, very much to play with !
Great break down and explanation David Bergman, thank you! And I agree is better to do the cropping in Post Production. Thank you ADORAMA for all these insightful videos on your channel!
I have a M43 Oly body but use some Canon EF lenses (with speedbooster adapter). I do that because longer focal length fixed f-ratio EF lenses tend to be cheaper than comparable M43 lenses (on the used market, anyway). I also have a couple vintage manual film lenses that I throw on just for fun now and again.
David Having Pentax APS-C cameras I have no problem using crop or full frame lenses as Pentax has not changed the lens mount since the mid 1970's so all there K mount lenses will fit all my cameras and manuel focus vintage Pentax lens are plentiful on the used market. Pentax cameras also have focus confirmation built into the cameras that works on manuel focus lenses. They also have Catch- In - Focus where you can hold down the shutter button and turn the focus ring and the camera will not take the picture until the lens is I focus
Using vintage full frame lenses on a micro 4/3rds camera is great. Where is the best resolution of any lens? Right in the middle: which is where the M43 sensor sits. However, you are shooting with manual focus. Spend your money on a quality adaptor and quality vintage lenses.
Great explanation. For my setup, there is no point shooting in crop mode as I'm shooting raw and the whole sensor is recorded everytime. It only affects the framing you see in the viewfinder and any resultant jpegs.
To put it simple, you get the best quality when you manage to put as many “pixels” as possible on your subject. This is the tech formula you have to base everything. For example, a 32.5MP APSC R7 Canon with a 70-200mm on it, CAN obliterate a full frame 24MP R3 with the same lens attached in image quality, if your subject is far away enough. In that situation, having a FF sensor is a disadvantage, add the more MP and the difference will be night and day in favor of the APSC R7
There are other things to consider and more pixels doesn't always mean better image quality. Pixel density, for example, effects noise and dynamic range.
I have an a6700 and a bunch of full frame lenses because in some cases there is no apsc version. I also plan on getting a full frame body when Sony releases an a7V
There are other benefits of using DX crop modes which you have not covered in your video 1). It does better metering of the scene in crop mode than cropping it on computer 2) Faster autofocus of the subject due to concentration of AF points in the middle of the frame. 3. More depth of field in crop mode . I have a Sigma 17-50 DX lens which i use in DX crop mode all the time on my FX camera body . No one is yet to tell the difference if i am using a DX lens or a FX lens.
Hi, I have the R50 and I only shoot portraits. I'm torn between waiting for the RF 56mm f/1.4 + EL10 flash, or buying the RP with the RF 50mm lens. Any advice?
RP is full frame, so it will have a wider field of view. If photographing a headshot, I prefer something a bit longer, like 85mm, so I'd still use the R50 for that. For families or groups, 50mm might be better, so RP might be a good way to go. It really just depends on if you want to jump to full-frame or not.
Currently primarily using full-frame L series lenses (EF) on my crop-sensor mirrorless Canon R50 with an adapter ... which is kinda funny, considering the prices of the L series lenses and the low cost of the R50 ... but I like living on the edge. They work awesome, although I'll be switching to a full-frame mirrorless soon.
I keep hearing APS-C and Cropped Sensor... What's the difference between APS-C and Cropped Sensor? Or are they just two terms for the same thing? Then there's Micro 4/3... Where does that fall into all of this?
APS-C and Cropped Sensor basically mean the same thing-APS-C is a specific size (around 22x15mm), and Cropped Sensor is just a general term for any sensor smaller than full-frame. Micro Four Thirds (MFT), on the other hand, is a different type of cropped sensor that’s even smaller (17x13mm). It’s super popular like with Panasonic users because it’s compact and great for video. Hope that helps!
Canon crop sensors have good or even better picture quality than Sony's. The ZV E10 is not better than a Canon R50 for all basic needs. But when a new person gets a Canon R50 and Canon's RFS 18-45mm F4.5-6.3, he/she easily gets frustrated when trying to capture photos or videos in low light or 28.8 focal length is tight in the case of Vlog. Canon at least follows their popular M50 kit lens (15-45mm F3.5-6.3) focal length. Usually, a new photographer has very very limited money and the kit lens is their only way to learn. If Canon makes them frustrated after buying R50 with a kit lens then they will switch to Sony and encourage their friends to choose Sony over Canon. Ever Z50's kit lens if better than RFS 18-45mm F4.5-6.3
Been shooting ff and cf for many years. L lens. FF body when you want wiser angle, CF when you want reach. It is stupid to make a big thing about CF as a system on its own. I do have 2 CF lenses for light wide ( like perhaps travel) but that is more like gimmicks. Real photos happen with the cameras. The rest on the phone.
First Comment! I have both DX and FX and Z mount in Nikon. I never use a crop or DX lens on my full frame cameras. But I have used my full frame FX lenses on my crop or DX body. In any case it is best to use full frame lenses on full frame bodies and DX lenses on DX bodies. I agree, just do the cropping in post not let the camera crop the capture (in the center). If you started out with a crop sensor body and then added a full frame body, you may be stuck in this "limbo" but I would suggest moving completely into full frame with all your gear. Better resolution and less noise at high ISO's. Thanks David, for all your informative videos and great sense of humor!
So happy that you drew a distinction between focal length and field of view. Well done and long overdue.
Thanks! It can be very confusing.
I am on team Bergman . . . full frame lenses for full frame bodies and crop in post. On an APS-C bodies it's an "All Skate" . . . shoot whatever lens you have that meets your need. Cheers!
Another reason for not using crop mode on a full frame with a full frame lens is there is more room for tracking fast moving subjects. I cut off far fewer wing tips or running legs using full sensor. And I can find the target easier too.
I use crop mode on my Canon R5 under certain conditions to help with auto focus. While shooting small or distant birds, if the bird is too small in the frame for autofocus to lock on the bird, I find that using crop mode helps the autofocus by making the bird larger in the frame for the camera to identify and lock focus.
For Canon DSLR's they always tell you not to install a crop sensor (EF-S) lens onto a full frame camera as the mount pushes farther into the body and can damage the mirror when you click the shutter button. But when I picked up the R8 and an adapter, I tried it as the adapter pushes the lens out away from the sensor, and, there was no mirror to hit. The 10-18 even in crop mode should give me an equivalent 16mm which is what I was looking for. But with the lowered resolution, and quite a bit of distortion, I opted to just get a full frame RF 15-30mm. While not the best lens they have, it's better than what I was getting with the EF-S 10-18mm.
Using Sony Cameras, it is easy to switch between formats, the mount is the same and there are hundreds of Lenses for Sony E-mount, very much to play with !
Great break down and explanation David Bergman, thank you! And I agree is better to do the cropping in Post Production. Thank you ADORAMA for all these insightful videos on your channel!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I have a M43 Oly body but use some Canon EF lenses (with speedbooster adapter).
I do that because longer focal length fixed f-ratio EF lenses tend to be cheaper than comparable M43 lenses (on the used market, anyway).
I also have a couple vintage manual film lenses that I throw on just for fun now and again.
David
Having Pentax APS-C cameras I have no problem using crop or full frame lenses as Pentax has not changed the lens mount since the mid 1970's so all there K mount lenses will fit all my cameras and manuel focus vintage Pentax lens are plentiful on the used market. Pentax cameras also have focus confirmation built into the cameras that works on manuel focus lenses. They also have Catch- In - Focus where you can hold down the shutter button and turn the focus ring and the camera will not take the picture until the lens is I focus
Using vintage full frame lenses on a micro 4/3rds camera is great. Where is the best resolution of any lens? Right in the middle: which is where the M43 sensor sits.
However, you are shooting with manual focus.
Spend your money on a quality adaptor and quality vintage lenses.
Great explanation. For my setup, there is no point shooting in crop mode as I'm shooting raw and the whole sensor is recorded everytime. It only affects the framing you see in the viewfinder and any resultant jpegs.
David does such a great job explaining topics.
Thanks! I try my best. :)
To put it simple, you get the best quality when you manage to put as many “pixels” as possible on your subject. This is the tech formula you have to base everything. For example, a 32.5MP APSC R7 Canon with a 70-200mm on it, CAN obliterate a full frame 24MP R3 with the same lens attached in image quality, if your subject is far away enough. In that situation, having a FF sensor is a disadvantage, add the more MP and the difference will be night and day in favor of the APSC R7
There are other things to consider and more pixels doesn't always mean better image quality. Pixel density, for example, effects noise and dynamic range.
True, it works like a 2x tele converter but without the optics that may deteriorate the image.
Not again that. The low megapixels is good in low light gas been debunked.
I have an a6700 and a bunch of full frame lenses because in some cases there is no apsc version. I also plan on getting a full frame body when Sony releases an a7V
Thanks David. Great clarification. I only shoot full frame for the same reason.
I use vintage film lenses on my APS-C camera body. I like the look those lenses provide.
There are other benefits of using DX crop modes which you have not covered in your video 1). It does better metering of the scene in crop mode than cropping it on computer 2) Faster autofocus of the subject due to concentration of AF points in the middle of the frame. 3. More depth of field in crop mode .
I have a Sigma 17-50 DX lens which i use in DX crop mode all the time on my FX camera body . No one is yet to tell the difference if i am using a DX lens or a FX lens.
I've done other videos about crop sensors vs full-frame. This was just trying to answer his specific question.
Hi, I have the R50 and I only shoot portraits. I'm torn between waiting for the RF 56mm f/1.4 + EL10 flash, or buying the RP with the RF 50mm lens. Any advice?
RP is full frame, so it will have a wider field of view. If photographing a headshot, I prefer something a bit longer, like 85mm, so I'd still use the R50 for that. For families or groups, 50mm might be better, so RP might be a good way to go. It really just depends on if you want to jump to full-frame or not.
Currently primarily using full-frame L series lenses (EF) on my crop-sensor mirrorless Canon R50 with an adapter ... which is kinda funny, considering the prices of the L series lenses and the low cost of the R50 ... but I like living on the edge. They work awesome, although I'll be switching to a full-frame mirrorless soon.
I use my FX lenses on my crop bodies a lot, never the other way around...
Yes
I keep hearing APS-C and Cropped Sensor... What's the difference between APS-C and Cropped Sensor? Or are they just two terms for the same thing? Then there's Micro 4/3... Where does that fall into all of this?
APS-C and Cropped Sensor basically mean the same thing-APS-C is a specific size (around 22x15mm), and Cropped Sensor is just a general term for any sensor smaller than full-frame. Micro Four Thirds (MFT), on the other hand, is a different type of cropped sensor that’s even smaller (17x13mm). It’s super popular like with Panasonic users because it’s compact and great for video. Hope that helps!
Full res, crop in post.
Canon crop sensors have good or even better picture quality than Sony's. The ZV E10 is not better than a Canon R50 for all basic needs. But when a new person gets a Canon R50 and Canon's RFS 18-45mm F4.5-6.3, he/she easily gets frustrated when trying to capture photos or videos in low light or 28.8 focal length is tight in the case of Vlog. Canon at least follows their popular M50 kit lens (15-45mm F3.5-6.3) focal length. Usually, a new photographer has very very limited money and the kit lens is their only way to learn. If Canon makes them frustrated after buying R50 with a kit lens then they will switch to Sony and encourage their friends to choose Sony over Canon. Ever Z50's kit lens if better than RFS 18-45mm F4.5-6.3
Nikon DX - 55-200mm
Been shooting ff and cf for many years. L lens. FF body when you want wiser angle, CF when you want reach. It is stupid to make a big thing about CF as a system on its own. I do have 2 CF lenses for light wide ( like perhaps travel) but that is more like gimmicks. Real photos happen with the cameras. The rest on the phone.
well if you have to ask ????