While I don't enjoy 13 for the pretty the reasons you mentioned, but mostly the long crawl till party forming freedom. But I think the art direction was the best the series has ever done. And the soundtrack slaps. I can't fully judge 13-2 as I hate rpg with forced monster allies. I honestly really like Lightning Returns, though. The dresses looked awesome.
@@raulrojas9253 No, I love SMT. I'm talking games where your party consists of humans mostly, but you have to use monsters for one reason, or another. I'm talking about games like Tales of Symphonia 2. What you're implying is akin to not liking Pokémon. Where the monsters/demons are the core focus of the gameplay.
Also side note, if you look at the old FF13 Announcement trailers, you see what clearly looks like a hud slapped onto a cutscene to show lightning fighting a ton of soldiers... Ironically, that looks like a primitive version for what the Lightning Returns battle system ended up being....
I never understood the hate FF13 got. The biggest complaint I hear/read from people is the linearity. Then please tell me how non-linear games like FF7/8/9/10 are. Spoilers: They aren't. But that's the nature of story-heavy games in general and FUCKING JRPGs IN PARTICULAR. They want to tell you a very specific story and thus lead you through the scenery from objective to objective. That's how those games are. In FF9, you go to the theater play, capture the princess, go through the forest, through the ice cave, Dahli, Lindblum, Gizarmaluke's Grotto, Burmecia,..... In FF10 you follow the path to and through the temples and trials. In an incredibly linear fashion until you get to the Calm Lands. You get the point. All of those beloved FF games open up after you get to the "big green grass open area" (FF10) or after you get a boat or an airship. It's the same in FF13. Opens up after you get to Grand Pulse. The big green grassy area. The "airship" in that game is a bunch of teleportes which, granted, are not nearly as cool. Regarding the battle system, people complained about Auto Battle making it too easy. You can literally just not use Auto Battle. What the fuck is that argument supposed to be?! Additionally, in later battles or against the optional bosses of this game, you will most likely die, if you use Auto Battle all the time. Also, thank god the remasters of the old FF games have Auto Battle in it, right? It's a saviour and awesome time save in those games. But in FF13? Fucking disgusting. I don't know why, but I feel like the people complaining about this game played a maximum of 5 minutes of it. Raising complaints about it while praising other games with the exact same problems. That being said, absolutely understand the hate Snow gets. Hope is a whiny little bitch until he develops a later in the game and Snow is on the opposite end of that spectrum: A wannabe tough guy macho man dude bro guy manly muscle man, who has that hot girlfriend bro and he's totes gonna marry her. His character develops so late, that it doesn't make him likable for me personally (unlike Hope).
This has been talked about many many times before, if you're really asking for that question in a non sarcastic way. But to sum it up, the other previous games had a lot of ways to make you feel free even in a linear story. FF7 had a world map where you could find a cave, fight new stronger too high level monsters way early, and side quests early on during the game as early as Midgar. You had hidden characters that you could miss on, and freedom of builds. This makes Gameplay free, eventhough story is linear. The same apply to FF8 or even 9. 10 has no world map, but you are free to do blitzball, backtrack (you can't in FF13) and take the boat, FFX also unravels it's gameplay systems way earlier, and let you play with them a lot more. Ultimately you just have to understand the complaint of the people and not be defensive about it. Between you and me playing FF XIII on release, the chance his 90% of our playthrough is similar. You had the same characters has me, visited the same places in the same order, and probably used the same "builds", because there is none. You don't even unlock the freedom of paradigm before the endgame or close to it. FFXIII was viewed as bad, even if it has many good to incredible things, because it was (probably with FFXII) one of the first mainline titles to have obvious incredible flaws like that. Some people don't like Tidus design or voice, some people don't like that Garnet is not part of the team very often, or the FFVIII junction systems, but those are opinions. FFXIII has big flaws and it's NOT based on opinions. You can love it, I personally love the systems, but hate it for blocking me for the whole game to play with them.
It's not about the linearity, it's all about the "it gets good once you get to Gran Pulse" Which is CHAPTER 11. All the FF you mentioned still provided some degree of freedom even in the earlier parts. FF7 after Kalm, FF8 after Dollet, ff9 After the Evil Forest, FFX after Luca. To get to Gran pulse? 20-30 HOURS...
You're technically right, but the difference is that the other games mask it better. When done right, a linear story still lets you feel like you "discovered" your way through the game, whereas most of FFXIII can be rightfully described as a "corridor simulator". Don't get me wrong, I greatly enjoyed FFXIII (and Lightning Returns), but I think the criticisms are also well deserved.
You're seriously comparing the linearity of XIII to ANY other FF games, which means you're a dishonest cretin, or impressively stupid. Jury's still out on which.
XIII could've been much better if had XIII-2's freedom. And Lightning Returns only true redeeming quality is the battle system. Great compilation all the same man. Now time to wait for your inevitable Visions of Mana tier list.
My favorite Garb is Loyal Servant with: -Buster Sword -II Nome Della Rosa -Passionate Corsage （Adornment） I like the color ratio, a 7Black;2red;1Gold (oh and lightning pink hair) Sometimes I put a pumpkin head on it to make the cut scene funny, especially when she hit Snow in the cutscene.
I love 13 its a great game its not a perfect game but what is? The characters were great designed, the weopens were cool, the graphics was beautiful the music is one of the best soundtracks in games and i liked the battle system and the leveling up system.
I stand by 13 Having an incredible story, amazing characters and a great battle system. People just didn't want to have to think about why the decisions made were the ones made. In saying that, a 13 trilogy Paradigm system but not include Serah and Noel from 13-2 and you could even argue Lightning's capabilities in the effects of the abilities (not including DLC) Still good re-upload though :D Thought I had seen it before but probably imagined it.
@locloudanerpg Ahhh you know. That would probably be it. Still gotta ask why the name when you only show off 1 game. I assume it's an algorithm thing in which case I don't even question it. Gotta play the system somehow.
@@thepsychicgaymer9888 I've just been compiling some of my individual series into compilations like this. The video actually covers 1,2 and 3 of the XIII trilogy. Not sure if you watched past the first one though.
@@locloudanerpg Ah, I won't lie to you, I watch up to the last one for god tier and click off. My apologies dude I instinctively thought it was the end I am so sorry.
Lightning Returns is VERY different. Single character where you swap mid-battle between 3 different garments (each with their own ATB), and you can actively move/evade through the arena to position yourself for different enemy attacks. It's a surprisingly fun/energetic battle system imho.
Vanille as synergist is one of the worst tiers? I'm sorry, what?! Her -ra buffs ALONE should keep her out synergist role out of that tier... hope and lightning trying to be sentinels should be the only things in the worst tier... why tank when you.... actually don't tank? Also, vanille's commando role is heightened by the fact that she should be using ruin, the magic based commando spell. that's already a red flag right there too.... If you want what I actually think, it's this wall of text: Lightning: Com- Top tier Rav- Top tier Med- Low/Mid tier Syn- Mid/Top tier Sab- Mid tier Sen- S**t tier (low if you aren't getting slapped with huge hitboxes) Sazh: Com- Top tier (God Tier if his AoE Blitz can hit point blank, like the "toises") Rav- Top/God tier (depends on how fast you can get stagger fill) Med- Low/Mid tier Syn- Top tier (arguably God tier) Sab- Mid/Top tier Sen- Low/Mid tier (depends on your HP so far) Snow: Com- Mid tier (Top only if you make him a DPS which he isn't too great at compared to others) Rav- Mid tier Med- Low tier Syn- Low tier Sab- Mid tier Sen- God tier (easily the tankiest in the game) Hope: Com- Mid/Top tier (Top if he's spamming ruin spells) Rav- God tier Med- God tier Syn- Top tier Sab- Top tier Sen- S**t tier (easily the worst role in the game) Vanille: Com- Top tier (God tier if you switch to this after casting her strongest Sab spell for easy max damage hits) Rav- God tier Med- God tier Syn- Top tier (Mid if you don't have her -ra buffs) Sab- God tier (especially with one of her weapons) Sen- Low tier Fang: Com- God tier (not even a question with a well timed Highwind) Rav- Mid tier Med- Mid tier Syn- Top tier (Mid like Vanille if you lack the -ra buffs) Sab- Top tier (potential for God tier in some situations) Sen- God tier (second only to Snow in tankiness) But to give a role breakdown: Com- slows stagger gauge loss (before stagger, not after), meant for dealing high damage with a passive increase to damage dealt, Ruin spells are for magic damage Rav- easiest access to raising stagger gauge (even after stagger), stagger spikes even faster when you hit enemy weaknesses, gives passive increase to raising stagger. Med- healing and recovery.... nuff said. gives passive bonus to healing spells Syn- buffing across the board (even elemental infuses too so attack/ruin does element damage), has -ra spells that are stronger at the cost fo wearing off quicker, gives passive bonus to the amount of time buffs last Sab- debuffs enemies, serious damage dealt increase when using imperil or daze with deprotect/deshell, also slows stagger gauges (but not as well as commando). gives a bonus to debuffing chance and duration Sen- Tanking and potential counter attacking, dodge from lightning and especially hope absolutely isn't worth, gives passive damage reduction to the party all passive effects only work when someone is in that role, but they do stack. endgame tends to have a lot of "triple" paradigms to really abuse that, not just in FF13 but also FF13-2.
I never actually played 13 but i heard that the level up system is super broken. Or it was boring ? One or the other. The only thing i know about the sequels is that people think that they are unnecessary.
The funny thing of ff8 and 13 is people will agree it’s bad and carry on with their lives but the fans will pop out every so often unprompted to tell everyone how great the games are. They aren’t, but it’s cool they get so much love from their fans.
In all fairness to 8 and 13, as a stand alone game they are both well above average. Ff8 has its reasons for not being a fan favorite but compared to the MANY other rpgs at the time it’s a good game. Ff13 was their jump into HD and it’s still a pretty good looking game for 15 years old considering 15 years before that you were playing on a Super Nintendo or Sega. It’s a shame the game takes so long to open up.
A game looking good is such a weak argument. A bad looking good game can be remastered later to look good. Bad good looking game will forever be bad and just look pretty.
this is a very delusional take, FF13 is on the greatest hits lists of PS3. The game isn't perfect but it does do a LOT of things right. The game was very well received by players on release, though there was a small but incessantly loud group who couldn't stop moaning "bUT iTs LinEaR!"
There’s a lot I can say for FF13. Strongest magic user is Vanille, her Commando has Adrenaline ability. When her health is high, increases damage by 20%. Sure hope has high magic but he doesn’t has Adrenaline in his Commando Lightning is the best all round unit with her roles. Downside is that her Saboteur doesn’t have Slow and Daze. Sentinel is somewhat good but still easily die if not careful. This game isn’t that hard. Just dead ass boring farming for Platinum Ignot, Dark Matter and Trapehozedn. Anyways, love the video hearing your thoughts on each character
I manage to finaly get to chapter 11 for the first time on FF 13 and I dropped the game, cementing the fact that I still hate FF 13 and always will. FF 13-2 Is the best game in the trilogy and I don't get the hate of Monster party members on games, for fuck sake, Dragon quest, Shin megami tensei and pokemon are basically that.
13:56 - "Jihl Nabaat is hot!"
That line delivery and quick second silent was pure gold, lol!
The battle system AND ost are incredible. Hamauzu went off.
While I don't enjoy 13 for the pretty the reasons you mentioned, but mostly the long crawl till party forming freedom. But I think the art direction was the best the series has ever done. And the soundtrack slaps.
I can't fully judge 13-2 as I hate rpg with forced monster allies.
I honestly really like Lightning Returns, though. The dresses looked awesome.
so you dont like Shin Megami Tensei?
@@raulrojas9253 No, I love SMT. I'm talking games where your party consists of humans mostly, but you have to use monsters for one reason, or another. I'm talking about games like Tales of Symphonia 2. What you're implying is akin to not liking Pokémon. Where the monsters/demons are the core focus of the gameplay.
Also side note, if you look at the old FF13 Announcement trailers, you see what clearly looks like a hud slapped onto a cutscene to show lightning fighting a ton of soldiers...
Ironically, that looks like a primitive version for what the Lightning Returns battle system ended up being....
I never understood the hate FF13 got.
The biggest complaint I hear/read from people is the linearity.
Then please tell me how non-linear games like FF7/8/9/10 are. Spoilers: They aren't. But that's the nature of story-heavy games in general and FUCKING JRPGs IN PARTICULAR. They want to tell you a very specific story and thus lead you through the scenery from objective to objective. That's how those games are.
In FF9, you go to the theater play, capture the princess, go through the forest, through the ice cave, Dahli, Lindblum, Gizarmaluke's Grotto, Burmecia,.....
In FF10 you follow the path to and through the temples and trials. In an incredibly linear fashion until you get to the Calm Lands.
You get the point. All of those beloved FF games open up after you get to the "big green grass open area" (FF10) or after you get a boat or an airship. It's the same in FF13. Opens up after you get to Grand Pulse. The big green grassy area. The "airship" in that game is a bunch of teleportes which, granted, are not nearly as cool.
Regarding the battle system, people complained about Auto Battle making it too easy.
You can literally just not use Auto Battle. What the fuck is that argument supposed to be?! Additionally, in later battles or against the optional bosses of this game, you will most likely die, if you use Auto Battle all the time.
Also, thank god the remasters of the old FF games have Auto Battle in it, right? It's a saviour and awesome time save in those games. But in FF13? Fucking disgusting.
I don't know why, but I feel like the people complaining about this game played a maximum of 5 minutes of it. Raising complaints about it while praising other games with the exact same problems.
That being said, absolutely understand the hate Snow gets.
Hope is a whiny little bitch until he develops a later in the game and Snow is on the opposite end of that spectrum: A wannabe tough guy macho man dude bro guy manly muscle man, who has that hot girlfriend bro and he's totes gonna marry her. His character develops so late, that it doesn't make him likable for me personally (unlike Hope).
This has been talked about many many times before, if you're really asking for that question in a non sarcastic way. But to sum it up, the other previous games had a lot of ways to make you feel free even in a linear story. FF7 had a world map where you could find a cave, fight new stronger too high level monsters way early, and side quests early on during the game as early as Midgar. You had hidden characters that you could miss on, and freedom of builds. This makes Gameplay free, eventhough story is linear. The same apply to FF8 or even 9. 10 has no world map, but you are free to do blitzball, backtrack (you can't in FF13) and take the boat, FFX also unravels it's gameplay systems way earlier, and let you play with them a lot more.
Ultimately you just have to understand the complaint of the people and not be defensive about it. Between you and me playing FF XIII on release, the chance his 90% of our playthrough is similar. You had the same characters has me, visited the same places in the same order, and probably used the same "builds", because there is none. You don't even unlock the freedom of paradigm before the endgame or close to it. FFXIII was viewed as bad, even if it has many good to incredible things, because it was (probably with FFXII) one of the first mainline titles to have obvious incredible flaws like that. Some people don't like Tidus design or voice, some people don't like that Garnet is not part of the team very often, or the FFVIII junction systems, but those are opinions. FFXIII has big flaws and it's NOT based on opinions. You can love it, I personally love the systems, but hate it for blocking me for the whole game to play with them.
It's not about the linearity, it's all about the "it gets good once you get to Gran Pulse" Which is CHAPTER 11.
All the FF you mentioned still provided some degree of freedom even in the earlier parts. FF7 after Kalm, FF8 after Dollet, ff9 After the Evil Forest, FFX after Luca.
To get to Gran pulse? 20-30 HOURS...
You're technically right, but the difference is that the other games mask it better.
When done right, a linear story still lets you feel like you "discovered" your way through the game, whereas most of FFXIII can be rightfully described as a "corridor simulator".
Don't get me wrong, I greatly enjoyed FFXIII (and Lightning Returns), but I think the criticisms are also well deserved.
You're seriously comparing the linearity of XIII to ANY other FF games, which means you're a dishonest cretin, or impressively stupid. Jury's still out on which.
XIII could've been much better if had XIII-2's freedom. And Lightning Returns only true redeeming quality is the battle system. Great compilation all the same man. Now time to wait for your inevitable Visions of Mana tier list.
My favorite Garb is Loyal Servant with:
-Buster Sword
-II Nome Della Rosa
-Passionate Corsage （Adornment）
I like the color ratio, a 7Black;2red;1Gold (oh and lightning pink hair)
Sometimes I put a pumpkin head on it to make the cut scene funny, especially when she hit Snow in the cutscene.
I love 13 its a great game its not a perfect game but what is? The characters were great designed, the weopens were cool, the graphics was beautiful the music is one of the best soundtracks in games and i liked the battle system and the leveling up system.
I stand by 13 Having an incredible story, amazing characters and a great battle system. People just didn't want to have to think about why the decisions made were the ones made. In saying that, a 13 trilogy Paradigm system but not include Serah and Noel from 13-2 and you could even argue Lightning's capabilities in the effects of the abilities (not including DLC)
Still good re-upload though :D Thought I had seen it before but probably imagined it.
It's probably because I just did 13-2 a few months back.
@locloudanerpg Ahhh you know. That would probably be it. Still gotta ask why the name when you only show off 1 game. I assume it's an algorithm thing in which case I don't even question it. Gotta play the system somehow.
@@thepsychicgaymer9888 I've just been compiling some of my individual series into compilations like this. The video actually covers 1,2 and 3 of the XIII trilogy. Not sure if you watched past the first one though.
@@locloudanerpg Ah, I won't lie to you, I watch up to the last one for god tier and click off. My apologies dude I instinctively thought it was the end I am so sorry.
@@thepsychicgaymer9888 all good man. My ads are always before the god tier 😉😉
You got them backwards Synergist buffs, Saboteur debuffs. Other than that great video as always
@@preposteroussvideos Every mistake is purposely done to boost comments 😘
I loved XIII and would love to see the battle system return. Especially after the snooze fest of XVI’s battles.
Please do berseria next 🙏
Is the combat system the same throughout all three games? Is that why it’s being ranked as a trilogy
The third game is very different from the others but also has similarities.
Lightning Returns is VERY different.
Single character where you swap mid-battle between 3 different garments (each with their own ATB), and you can actively move/evade through the arena to position yourself for different enemy attacks.
It's a surprisingly fun/energetic battle system imho.
What are the best end game team comps? >
best jon for every member or best character for every job would be a better list...
Vanille as synergist is one of the worst tiers? I'm sorry, what?!
Her -ra buffs ALONE should keep her out synergist role out of that tier... hope and lightning trying to be sentinels should be the only things in the worst tier... why tank when you.... actually don't tank?
Also, vanille's commando role is heightened by the fact that she should be using ruin, the magic based commando spell. that's already a red flag right there too....
If you want what I actually think, it's this wall of text:
Lightning:
Com- Top tier
Rav- Top tier
Med- Low/Mid tier
Syn- Mid/Top tier
Sab- Mid tier
Sen- S**t tier (low if you aren't getting slapped with huge hitboxes)
Sazh:
Com- Top tier (God Tier if his AoE Blitz can hit point blank, like the "toises")
Rav- Top/God tier (depends on how fast you can get stagger fill)
Med- Low/Mid tier
Syn- Top tier (arguably God tier)
Sab- Mid/Top tier
Sen- Low/Mid tier (depends on your HP so far)
Snow:
Com- Mid tier (Top only if you make him a DPS which he isn't too great at compared to others)
Rav- Mid tier
Med- Low tier
Syn- Low tier
Sab- Mid tier
Sen- God tier (easily the tankiest in the game)
Hope:
Com- Mid/Top tier (Top if he's spamming ruin spells)
Rav- God tier
Med- God tier
Syn- Top tier
Sab- Top tier
Sen- S**t tier (easily the worst role in the game)
Vanille:
Com- Top tier (God tier if you switch to this after casting her strongest Sab spell for easy max damage hits)
Rav- God tier
Med- God tier
Syn- Top tier (Mid if you don't have her -ra buffs)
Sab- God tier (especially with one of her weapons)
Sen- Low tier
Fang:
Com- God tier (not even a question with a well timed Highwind)
Rav- Mid tier
Med- Mid tier
Syn- Top tier (Mid like Vanille if you lack the -ra buffs)
Sab- Top tier (potential for God tier in some situations)
Sen- God tier (second only to Snow in tankiness)
But to give a role breakdown:
Com- slows stagger gauge loss (before stagger, not after), meant for dealing high damage with a passive increase to damage dealt, Ruin spells are for magic damage
Rav- easiest access to raising stagger gauge (even after stagger), stagger spikes even faster when you hit enemy weaknesses, gives passive increase to raising stagger.
Med- healing and recovery.... nuff said. gives passive bonus to healing spells
Syn- buffing across the board (even elemental infuses too so attack/ruin does element damage), has -ra spells that are stronger at the cost fo wearing off quicker, gives passive bonus to the amount of time buffs last
Sab- debuffs enemies, serious damage dealt increase when using imperil or daze with deprotect/deshell, also slows stagger gauges (but not as well as commando). gives a bonus to debuffing chance and duration
Sen- Tanking and potential counter attacking, dodge from lightning and especially hope absolutely isn't worth, gives passive damage reduction to the party
all passive effects only work when someone is in that role, but they do stack. endgame tends to have a lot of "triple" paradigms to really abuse that, not just in FF13 but also FF13-2.
Man after fighting Gilgamesh for an hour and finally beating him (sooooo hard) I was shocked that he is not a good commando at all smh
Please cover the Ateloer Series!!! Start with the Dusk series!!!
I truly love final fantasy XIII I played all of the trilogy and I love the series so much
OG Sarah!!! THATS MY GURL
When it came out people hated it, I got a used JP copy for 500 Yen from the trash game pile when it was still hot garbage.
I absolutely adore XIII, we need a remaster for yesterday
How about we don't?
Bro could say that about any list for doing that amount of research being the first for the channel (joking)
I never actually played 13 but i heard that the level up system is super broken. Or it was boring ? One or the other. The only thing i know about the sequels is that people think that they are unnecessary.
It's slow, but playing with skill make up for it
Never knew Hope and Snow could be good, I just really hated them and never had them on the party
I tried a second play through on the 360 now long back and I don't understand how I completed 13
Tbf, finishing a bad or ok game isn’t that hard, but replaying them is a lot harder since you know all the game has to offer already.
The funny thing of ff8 and 13 is people will agree it’s bad and carry on with their lives but the fans will pop out every so often unprompted to tell everyone how great the games are. They aren’t, but it’s cool they get so much love from their fans.
Historical revisionism much?
Ff13 hate in 2024💔
In all fairness to 8 and 13, as a stand alone game they are both well above average. Ff8 has its reasons for not being a fan favorite but compared to the MANY other rpgs at the time it’s a good game. Ff13 was their jump into HD and it’s still a pretty good looking game for 15 years old considering 15 years before that you were playing on a Super Nintendo or Sega. It’s a shame the game takes so long to open up.
A game looking good is such a weak argument. A bad looking good game can be remastered later to look good. Bad good looking game will forever be bad and just look pretty.
this is a very delusional take, FF13 is on the greatest hits lists of PS3. The game isn't perfect but it does do a LOT of things right. The game was very well received by players on release, though there was a small but incessantly loud group who couldn't stop moaning "bUT iTs LinEaR!"
The only 2 characters I liked personality wise were fang and lightning. That said, I think I need to play through this trilogy again.
There’s a lot I can say for FF13.
Strongest magic user is Vanille, her Commando has Adrenaline ability. When her health is high, increases damage by 20%. Sure hope has high magic but he doesn’t has Adrenaline in his Commando
Lightning is the best all round unit with her roles. Downside is that her Saboteur doesn’t have Slow and Daze. Sentinel is somewhat good but still easily die if not careful.
This game isn’t that hard. Just dead ass boring farming for Platinum Ignot, Dark Matter and Trapehozedn.
Anyways, love the video hearing your thoughts on each character
I manage to finaly get to chapter 11 for the first time on FF 13 and I dropped the game, cementing the fact that I still hate FF 13 and always will.
FF 13-2 Is the best game in the trilogy and I don't get the hate of Monster party members on games, for fuck sake, Dragon quest, Shin megami tensei and pokemon are basically that.
I like your lists, butt fuck Final fantasy 13 trilogy.
@@younesakdah1803 🤣
I hate this game with a passion man
Which one? All three or just the first one?
@locloudanerpg Oh my bad ff13. I never played the sequels. The only things I like about it. Was the music and graphics.
@@Nirvashtype Same. I only played that game so long, because the music and graphics are nice. lightning and Fang are also super hot to be honest :)
@@Nirvashtype fair. If they get remastered, I’m gonna give them one last chance haha