The fact that she compares "unconditional permission to eat" to unconditional permission to smoke or drink just demonstrates the problem. Food isn't an indulgence or a vice. It's a necessity for life.
Not all foods are a necessity for life, there are ‘foods’ that are literally worse than cigarettes when consumed regularly and in large portions. Sure, I believe in indulging in cravings, but it depends on the person. If that person is an obese food addict, they might misunderstand what intuitive eating is, and since food addicts are constantly craving all sorts of unhealthy foods, indulging in their cravings is just going to make them bigger. If you have addictions, the only way is to restrict yourself. For eg., if you are an obese sugar junkie and you know you can’t stop at one cookie, then avoid cookies completely. I’ve lost nearly 100 pounds and have kept off the weight for 15 years, ex-binge eater, so I know what I’m talking about. People who have never been obese will never understand the struggle with issues like food addiction and binge-eating, it’s real and it’s hella ugly, and it is DIFFICULT to overcome, it’s no different than a chain-smoker’s struggle to quit smoking. There is no easy solution.
exactly, and for the vast majority of people it isn't neurologically addictive like cigarettes or alcohol. the 'addiction' only comes from deprivation (obviously some people do have underlying psychological problems)
I think people like Jillian are the way they are because they are hangry all the time. I would be if I ate “the floor” amount of calories and didn’t ever eat anything “fun”
I was thinking the same thing!! Like Snicker's was right on "You're not you when you're hungry" so what happens if you're literally ALWAYS hungry because you keep limiting what you eat??
Yes, I remember following "healthy" eating and going on diets and I was hangry all the time. I think it also has to do with blood sugar levels because mine would go haywire on the diet. I haven't had my "hangry" moments for last year or so because I stopped with that mentality.
It sounds like she is absolutely terrified of gaining any weight ever, and feels the need to control the narrative around diet, exercise and weight to ease that fear.
People’s grievances or annoyances are often things they are lacking or disliking in themselves, which is why we are more prone to be triggered by them in others, it’s more on our radar and touchy for us. Whereas other behaviors we hold we are less likely to hold cognitive dissonance if we don’t personally recognize them as “bad” or “good”. Of course, It could also be things we are personally aware of, insecure about or or interested in that influences our awareness of an interest & engagement. Jillian is the worst, I hate that she influenced my anorexic mom who in turn influenced me. Gross.
I think that is a great observation. When I see her say some of those horrifically harsh things on the biggest loser, it makes you wonder what has gone on in her life that has normalized that? Whatever it is, it does not seem healthy or pleasant..
Literally my husband has the perfect weight and BMI according to all commonly accepted medical standards but has high cholesterol, eats way too much salt and sugar, and is at risk for heart disease. I, on the other hand, am a size 14/16 and consistently fat shamed by doctors until they find out that I eat an amazing diet and have perfect blood work and work out daily. Health is not measured by a number on a scale.
Well, to be fair, when you are thin you can still absolutely have health problems, but are less likely to have those ones. However, when you’re very overweight, you’re undoubtedly causing stress harm to your body, even if it doesn’t yet show on some basic panels. Your joints alone are put through far more than the average individual and that wouldn’t be tested, and that inflammation can lead to other issues.
@@ml2620 having a high level of HDL cholesterol is bad and is definitively linked to heart attack and stroke. LDL cholesterol doesn’t matter as much and actually works to lube up our veins and help pass HDL cholesterol around and not build up and keeps blood circulating. I had very high cholesterol from 19-20 and reversed it with a drastic diet change (against my doctors wishes at first whom wanted to put me on pills for it, she later asked me to keep a food diary to study my success in lowering my cholesterol with diet). Now I just watch what I eat and am aware of how much HDL cholesterol I’m eating in a day.
I can't believe she said women don't need more than 1600 calories. What a dangerous blanket statement. So ignorant of so many other factors aside from age. 🤮
I’m almost 300 pounds and 5’5 which is big but I need 2700 to sustain myself. I’d go crazy with 1600 calories. Jillian is silly only putting herself as a 130 pound woman thinking that’s the same situation for every woman. She obviously doesn’t have a big appetite for her size.
I used to listen to her podcast (I know I'm sorry) and she would always advice people diets of 1800kcals or less if people asked for advice! It's crazy I'm young and can easily lose weight by eating like 2000 a day which is so much more sustainable in the long run.
Jillian is the embodiment of early 2000s diet culture. She reminds me of all the stuff I used to read in those teen magazines like “How to lose 3kg in a week!” Or “how xyz stays so slim year-round! Her secret diet tips revealed!” 🤦🏽♀️ Did anyone else start their fitness journey with the 30 day shred lol. I remember doing it in my living room when I was a teenager. Her Instagram is a shit show though. Also “women shouldn’t eat more than 1600kcal”? What if you’re more active? What if you’re pregnant? What if you have a naturally higher metabolism? What a weird blanket statement from Jillian.
I had such an issue with the 1600 calorie thing. I burn 2400 calories a day between my basal metabolic rate and walking to and from work. People like her are why other people feel entitled to comment on how much I eat.
She didn’t even say all women. She said as you get older women’s metabolism slows down which is true. I think cherry picking what people say is bad as well.
@@allieb7705 “most people shouldn’t really… most women, especially women like higher in age” is the exact quote. I didn’t cherry pick anything. Her and the views she touts are directly responsible for so many young people developing EDs. Sure, older women’s metabolism slows down. But where does the arbitrary 1600kcal number come from? There is no magic number that any demographic should be eating. Also her setting 1200kcal as the minimum is scary. Very few adults can get all their required macro/ micronutrients from that amount of food regardless of their activity level. She’s a hack and 90% of the things she says are easily disproven.
@@starlight8554 she said obese people CAN go as low as 1200 calories. You don’t have to follow everything you hear from people on TV. You’re in charge of your own body and seeing how much your body needs/ wants. You can’t just blame other people and be the victim your whole life.
I’m a size 16. I run half marathons and am very healthy according to my labs and doctor. If I were to eat 1600 calories I would have no energy for my long runs.
Wow!! I could eat MORE than a whole avocado in a day, I adore them! Jog on, Jill! 😁 Plus ol' Jill always seems like a very angry person ... Constantly 'Hangry'?? Anyone else think so? Also ... I'm sure there are people out there who are size 16 and happy and I admire and respect any and ALL people who are happy with themselves and their bodies because as a body-hater I'm trying very hard to get myself into that place! ♥️
She’s just so combative about it geez. I also think when she mentions weight loss (and intuitive eating isn’t about weight loss), it shows that she cannot picture an outlook around eating that isn’t centered on weight loss.
It is her job to help people lose weight and get in shape. She is approaching this with that lens. People come to her to lose weight. That's the entire point.
@@brandiphillips5775 then she shouldn't even be thinking about approaching intuitive eating at all if she is going to keep that mentality, especially since she clearly doesn't know diddly squat about.
That was embarassing to speak publicly on topic she has zero understanding of. Unfortunately, a lot of people still follow her advice, since she was presented as "weight loss expert" worldwide. I am still trying to get rid of 1200kcal mentality and it's not easy.
@@AbbeysKitchen Yes, definitely! I am understanding so much more of my relationship with food. last supper syndrome, how I always saw fullness as eating as much as I can. I learned a lot!
Honestly, most people I have seen criticizing intuitive eating have not done their homework at all. It's especially frustrating if they have a large audience and they reinforce some of the diet culture talking points in defense of why intuitive eating will not work. It just spreads further misinformation.
Yep, it’s like how people only read a news headline and form an opinion without reading the article. All talk and virtue-signaling, no research or constructive discussion.
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It pains me to think I practically worshipped Jillian at one point in my life. It was with her guidance that I developed disordered eating and a terrible relationship with exercise. It all started in my teens and now in my 30’s I’m still unlearning toxic diet culture garbage I was spoon fed.
Same!!! I used to exercise to her tapes in my dorm room and embraced her "1200 calorie a day" philosophy. I'm so disappointed that the media has allowed her a platform, it's damaged so many people 😔
Yes, I didn't really like her per-say, but I watched things like the biggest loser and they just fueled all the wrong ideas. Now - all these years later - almost 40 - and I'm trying to undo the damage people like her did.
I don’t understand how people can agree with the idea that all bodies are worthy and deserve dignity but then publicly criticize someone like Lizzo just for their body!
TW: death, anorexia. I just watched a documentary called "addicted to food sharon's story", about a woman who had the highest BMI in the UK at around 575lb. After undergoing a gastric bypass, she developed anorexia, lost nearly 300lb in a few months and died, but the British press asserted that she died because of binge eating. I would love to see Abbey's commentary on this documentary.
What was the reason given by the medical examiner? It could have very well been binge eating for all we know. It could have been that she had heart disease from being morbidly obese and her heart couldn't handle the strain. It could have been so many things.
I think one of things that drives me nuts about Jillian Michaels is that she is straight up NOT QUALIFIED to give nutrition advice. It’s out of your scope ma’am, give me a break!!! And she can’t even be bothered to do a shred of actual research. I can’t imagine the number of eating disorders she has inspired 😞 I wish she would stay in her lane, if nothing else
I don't know why people think being fat is an open door to discuss about someone's body or saying they have this or that disease. Jillian would never say the same things on models who are underweight for catwalks.
Honestly, I think Julian Michaels COULD find something to criticize on a model - and (imo) that’s the root of issue. But that’s also why I appreciate IE so much - it soooo freeing
Those underweight models are at serious risk too, of losing their periods/hormonal problems, osteoporosis, and several serious vitamin deficiencies. But you’re right Jillian seems to only have a problem with overweight people.
When abbey said that jillian sees unconditional permission to eat as eating all the foods because she's restricting I FELT that. When I first heard about intuitive eating I thought it could never work for me 'cause I knew I'd just end up eating until I got sick every single day. Now I know I only wanted to do that because I'd been dieting my entire life...
It’s also hilarious to me that the critics of intuitive eating don’t realize that… this is how people who naturally maintain a healthy weight with zero “effort” often eat…
Abbey: I think Jillian was the first person that I can remember saying the 1200 calorie thing … so yes she may not have started it but she definitely promoted and popularized it a lot on her tv show The Biggest Loser … which was so incredibly toxic. No wonder my mom (who is anti diet culture) hated that show a lot. Go mom!
If you look up people from her show The Biggest Loser most of those people have gained the weight back by now very few kept it off but most of the people gained it back by now it is very unrealistic I talk to trainers
So THATS where I got that "rule" from! I was wondering why I always believed if I ate over 1200 I wasnt trying hard enough, which eventually led to me believing I'm just not good enough and then just giving up. I always had that voice in my head of "why even try" if I ended up eating 1600.
When I started using exercise, not as a tool for weight loss and help in restricting, but rather as a way to improve my stength, health and also to have fun, my ED symptoms started dissapearing. Thank you Abbey for teaching all of us that we need food and that we deserve to eat
Julian thinks that most women shouldn't eat more than 1600 calories?? I'm a 28 year old female 120 pounds and I'd feel faint if I only ate 1600. I need 2000+ just to function
Same!! I’m 38! 5”9 123 lbs. I need at least 2000 calories a day to maintain. Julian doesn’t know how fast everyone’s metabolism is. When I was weight training I needed 2400 a day just to maintain. If I ate 1600 I would look like a skeleton!
I don't condone blanket statements about how much women need to eat, but can we please stop acting like 1600 calories is equal to starvation? Like- maybe if you are tall and have a big build, but generally, it's not. I'm active and I maintain a healthy weight eating around 2000 calories. If I wasn't active, like most people aren't, 1600 doesn't seem so far fetched to me. A lot of women can eat that and mantain a healthy weight.
@@IzumiCurtiss I am with you on the not starving on ~ 1600. Regarding the age related decrease I am inclined to agree with her, especially when you enter menopause area. But even then as soon as you start to be more active EVERY day AND have built a good amount of muscle mass (!) you can quite easily eat up to 2000-2.200 calories and maintain weight without struggling at all.
I'm really bothered by when she said "what if I said to give yourself unconditional permission to drink or smoke or spend money on what you don't have..." because those three things - alcohol, cigarettes, spending money - are not basic needs, but food IS a basic need! I see (from a diet-culture perspective ofc) what she's TRYING to say, but her argument truly does not make sense
I see so many using the analogy of money like "you can't intuitively budget" completely missing that spending money and eating food are not the same thing at all. If I spent no money on a certain day, it probably doesn't affect anything, but if I ate nothing it would be bad.
Jillian is the embodiment of the early 2000's. As a teen like many others back then, this is the kind of all or nothing mindset that can truly ruin your life with food and exercise. Team Abbey all the way!
“Western society is never going to see improvements to population health when the barriers to entry are just so high.” 👏👏 Louder for the people in the back
She just seems angry all the time and it is honestly exhausting watching her talk. I feel like I’m holding my breath watching her speak - I feel like she would really benefit from gentle nutrition.
I see it as annoyance in how she sees all of us as pond scum, and herself as on a pedestal. If you're not 5'2" and 120 lbs, you're not worthy for Jillian, and you WILL BE judged.
I haven’t even struggled with an ED, but it nearly made me cry when she said you cant be healthy as a size 16 and only need up to 1600 calories as a woman… especially as someone who is a size 14 and healthy.
She has some very serious body image issues of her own and she’s projecting them onto others. You know better than she does if your healthy ❤️
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I guess it shows how far from reality she is. It's definitely a thing. Specially for her being in the fitness industry for so long she probably just doesn't see normality anymore. 🤦🏻♀️
Right! I'm a size 14/16 but I'm also 5'10", 1600 calories would make me underweight. Shit like this made me "surprised" when I got blood tests done and blood pressure monitored and it turned out I was really healthy at 210. I always thought "I can't be healthy I'm overweight!" Turns out health is subjective and Size 14/16 looks and feels great on me.
Jillian is one of those 90s and 00s toxic gym"bro / gymgirl trainers". "You can hate yourself and punish yourself for eating because it means you can do more."
The more we rally against fatphobia, the angrier she'll get I'm afraid. She's been capitalizing off it for years. Her livelihood (and lifestyle) is being threatened because it's based off of hate and hate is falling out of style.
At 4:45 when she said the thing about "women should't be eating more than 1600 calories a day", I almost felt that pain physically. Even when I was underweight and very disordered eating, I didn't eat any less that 1800 calories and nowadays, I need a whole 50% more than those 1600, just to maintain my muscle mass and especially to get through martial arts practice. I used to have severe brain-fog after the first third and only went for 1 1/2 hours a week. Now I am back to practicing 3 hours a week and I feel strong and alert!
As a psychologist all I hear is what we call "authoritarian voices" when Gilian is talking. These voices represent very rigid, self critical and sometimes mean ego states (parts of our personality) that we develop in childhood and adolescence - mostly from our parents and society. Ultimately these rigid ego states actually want to protect us from harm and blame, so they have a "good" purpose but in Gillians case, she seems to be completely identified with these voices, which usually is a sign that 1. They are way out of control and dominate the whole internal system and 2. They probably protect a wounded inner child, so I guess she must have had some really sad experiences in her childhood related to her body or her acceptance in general. I'm sorry for her... unfortunately she passes down her authoritarian voices now to everyone else who listens to her. 😔
as someone who was once like her mentally, this was an interesting thing I'm glad you elaborated on. healing took a lot of vulnerability and kindness that just wasn't in my scope of awareness before. so interesting to think back in times like that
When I see Jillian yelling at people to essentially kill themselves to get one more rep, I see her just yelling at her inner child who apparently used food as "coping mechanism" -- it's all that internalized shame being sublimated into rage at the person who represents to her the vulnerable part of her she can't accept.
Intuitive eating is basically eating the good old fashioned way before the diet culture came to the picture. I don’t understand how people can ever be against it😶
I am now a size 16. I was a size 0-2 for 10 years and dying from cancer and endometriosis. Everything made me sick. When I had my ovaries removed and started to be able to eat normal food (not over 1440 calories a day and nothing is processed). I am so much more healiter now, bc I can actually absorb food. But bc I a strong hormone deficiency and thyroid issues (which are hard to fight bc Womens health sucks). She does not get that no every body that isn’t hers is not u healthy. And her tools don’t help everyone nor do we all want to be in a space. I was so micro nutrient deficient when I first lost weight.
Listening to Jillian makes me feel sick to my stomach. This is the crap I listed to for years and I didn't think it would effect me this much to hear it again but I'm not okay listening to her rant. Thank you for addressing this so well.
I have a (former) family friend who considers Jillian a god and pushes some horrible, terrible stuff on her daughter as a result. It’s been painful to see and now that the daughter is in her teens, she’s doing everything she can to get away from her toxic mother. Poor kid.
I love how she accuses people who follow intuitive eating of anger with such an angry tone. Frankly, the way that someone like her uses the term "healthy" makes me uninterested in health at all. A part of health is learning to live in the body we have and honor it by not neglecting our nutrition needs.
@@515aleon That's what I was thinking. I'm having a hard time listening to her - because she isn't just talking or explaining or discussing - she's being very hostile. It seems she's clearly upset with herself... so she has so much passion/anger about the topic.
I'm gonna sit this out actually, hearing her take on haes and talk about how much energy a woman actually "needs" was enough Jil for me for a lifetime. You tell her Abbey
I cannot tell you how much I needed this video today. The women on my mother’s side of my family really negatively impacted mental health, especially when it comes to weight. You gave me a lot of hope that I can be healthy despite my binge eating disorder. Thank you so much
@@AbbeysKitchen me too. Your videos mean a lot to a lot of people. & I really wish I knew someone like you growing up. You help people love & be kind to themselves
Staying with my family (who caused my ED issues ) so really grateful for these videos!! Feeling that stress and nervousness around food but your tips and encouragement help me feel centered
I just want to thank you. Your videos have helped me so much. It’s been a long journey for me breaking away from the madness of diet culture. As a personal trainer I have felt saturated and even brainwashed at times by the toxic advice from other professionals in my field. BUT I am learning to block out the noise and trust my intuition more. It has made me more compassionate towards myself and others. l am finally learning how to enjoy food without judgement. It’s truly been an AWAKENING for me. ❤️
Oh. I have seen her video on this….I was FUMING 😡 when I saw it. I personally am not an intuitive eater but she just seems so patronizing. Lost all respect for her after this.
15:15 How could anyone let her train them? She's really scary, I would never let her decide what was safe for me to do. She threatened to break someone's knees with a weight? What? What?? How many injuries do her clients get because of this type of "training."
The portion from about 7:30 about food/overeating losing its novelty when you give yourself permission! I love that! It's so true, I've been discovering that exact thing lately.
Yeah, Julien was talking out of her butt in my opinion. I dont agree with "health at EVERY size" but a size 16 person could be incredibly healthy and in shape and a size 2 person could be terribly unhealthy. Pants size alone doesnt tell you that much.
Size doesn't at all determine how healthy you are. Someone who is a size 2 could be considered more unhealthy due to diet and lifestyle choices, compared to someone that is a size 16 and tries to live a healthy lifestyle. Jillian spreads misinformation, so thank you Abbey for providing facts and educating the proper way.
When she was trying to come up with a size that was “incredibly large” at the beginning and said size 16 I was … shocked. Like.. I have a size 16 jeans hanging in my closet, I feel like I’m relatively average sized, I’m working on my diet and exercise plan, literally just living my life … and she wants it to seem like people my size are beached whales who are on the verge of death?? Make it make sense.
If anyone in the comments is interested in even more further reading on intuitive eating, I cannot recommend “When Women Stop Hating Their Bodies” by Jane R. Hirschmann. It’s a bit old, but that book changed my life!!
I am so glad that we're getting away from the bitchy boot camp mentality when it comes to exercise. If I had someone screaming at me while I am pushing myself physically, I would just stop and never do that hard thing again. I love group classes because we push each other while reminding people to respect and acknowledge when they just can't keep going. Encouragement motivates whereas judgement leads to failure.
WOW, I'M A SIZE 16 AND I FEEL ATTACKED BY JILLIAN. I'm working on my relationship with food and I don't need that negativity Jillian. This is why I adore you Abbey 💛
This primal shift has happened for me, and I am not a size 0, but I don't "gorge" myself on foods as Jillian Michaels suggests. Thanks Abby, for giving real advice.
"give yourself unconditional permission to eat" Jillian: okay so now someone fat is just gonna eat an entire bag of doritos and gain even more weight Me, someone fat: I'm craving doritos so I'm going to have some right now with hummus and Crudités and eat it until I feel content instead of trying to work against my body's incredibly delicate system of detecting what it needs or wants.
@@annioliviamonster3797 How is 'eat a home cooked dinner instead of Doritos if you're in an uncontrollable cycle of binging' an uneducated thing to say? Maybe that person will learn to love real food instead of hating themselves. Eating food you don't like to stay thin is not sustainable. Abbey is dangerous to advise constant snacking instead of recommending big filling dinners like our grandparents used to eat. You know, back in the 50s when most people were slim?
She is a problematic enforcer of restricting, so is it reasonable to expect her to do her homework? While I'm not someone that is a complete believer in intuitive eating(for myself), I don't knock to for those that benefit from it.
I have a level of peace with food right now that I didn't know was possible! Thanks to a variety of factors, one of which I do think is this channel! Thanks for your gentle nutrition advice, Abbey!
@@hedera280 oh let’s see! Allowing myself to have the foods I want when I wanted them really did take their power away, slowly over time I didn’t constantly crave them. Then I ended up taking a break from intense exercise, and all of a sudden what I thought was my lack of willpower/boredom leading to wanting to snack all day was actually just under fueling myself.. all of a sudden I wasn’t wanting to snack all day and smaller meals filled me up for longer. when I was less active I was able to realize I could follow my hunger cues and my size/weight didn’t noticeably fluctuate (I don’t weigh myself, that helps too!). And like Abbey talks about removing the moral labels (“good” vs “bad”) from food helped me give myself grace! It’s all just food. Thoughts may still come up but I’m able to more easily move on. Wish I could better or more succinctly summarize, best of luck to your friend ☺️
All-In for almost a year recovering from an ED. 100% recovered, with no food rules. Jilian's advice is just dangerous. Especially for people with ED's or disordered eating...
When I was at my worst with my eating disorder I was watching a lot of Gillian Michaels on tv, when I've had the healthiest relationship with food I've been watching Abbey, I think that says everything hahahaha
I feel like so many public fitness figures have this “tough love, no pain no gain” approach, while the research suggests otherwise for weight loss and general health🙃 It’s annoying.
I don't know, something about her just rubs me the wrong way. This whole "I'm better than you because I am a certain way, at a certain weight in this body that is 'approved' by society" mentality... She's so caught up in this dietculter thing that she can't see that different people have different conditions. And I think that comes from a place of fearing weight gain, like she thinks if she allows herself to eat more than a certain amount of calories, she somehow magically will balloon to the weight she once was. She just seems so angry and strung out. At around 6.44 when she describes it as "intense and hostile"...yeah I would say she describes herself..
I'm so thankful for you. I started my weightloss journey this month & you keep me on track. People such as Jillian would scare me away from even trying.
I still remember the first time I said "I shouldn't..." to a slice of cake. I didn't know why, I had just heard it so many times on TV etc. This learned behaviour is haunting, so watching this channel and hearing common sense over and over is really helpful to me.
The no pain no gain approach is so toxic. I thought I was sore from working out and kept going when I should have rested. Instead I was hurt for weeks and it took me a month to slowly ease into working out again. It doesn’t mean you’re lazy if you take off days or do less intense workouts when your body is tired. Yoga is healthy for your mind and body. It’s beyond just stretching. Each exercise has its benefits no matter the intensity. Muscles need time to repair, so it’s good to mix it up.
You’re completely right. Pain is your body is telling you something is wrong. I believe more In ‘no struggle no gain’ or ‘no discomfort as a result of lactic acid buildup, no gain’ lol
Have you watched Chellsie Memmel's return to competitive gymnastics? She was an Olympian as a teen and now that she's in her 30s, paying attention to her body is so important. She felt some twinges in her hamstring and rested it for 2 weeks, because she knew it was either 2 weeks of not doing a skill or never doing it again because of injury.
I went on a 1200 diet in college (lost about 22 lbs) and I was so severely anemic and iron deficient. I was so weak, tired and in so much pain. I ended up having to take 3 90mg pills of iron a day to get back to normal. I will never do that again because it’s insane.
“First of all…..I’m pretty sure the reason we need to get angry at diet culture is because of people like Jillian” - Yaaaasss Queen!!!! Thank you so much for this Abbey. You don’t know what important work you are doing. Health is personal and I’m sooooo tired of people insinuating thar when it comes to my weight, they are only worried about my health. No, they are projecting their own BS on me and others. Keep up the good work!!!!
I know 1200 calories is what toddlers eat, so it would make sense adults needs much more… but aren’t toddlers and kids so so so active? Like we are pretty sedentary as adults, although in larger bodies. Does that matter? Is 1200 or so calories still always too low?
I adore you! You remind me of my own eating disorder recovery dietician. And I am the most mentally/emotionally/holistically joyous, moderate, peaceful, balanced and empowered than I’ve ever been! Wishing everyone out there, their own loving and compassionate journey.
I ate 1500 a day for my body and ended up with a life threatening eating disorder because my body needed way more than that! Everyone is so different, this BOILS my blood!!
Only a few minutes into the videos and there so many things I just want to scream at Jillian for saying. Omg the dress size equals health thing … total bs. I’m a size 2 (and short) and not healthy due chronic illnesses- trying to gain more weight. I know plenty of people who are a size 16 and are much healthier than me. Also people who are significantly taller than me can be a size 16 and be at a weight that even health professionals who use only BMI as an indicator of health would deem then healthy. So Jillian, maybe you need to educate yourself more. 🤦♀️
I lost 20 pounds last year and people were complimenting me. What they didn't know I actually lost my appetite because of stress.On top of that, I am severely deficient in B12. People don't understand that weight loss is not always a good thing.
In my opinion, she's in perimenopause. All her fears as a kid have come back, and she's terrified of gaining weight. I would feel sad for her, but there's a whole lot of us former anorexics heading towards menopause who are also feeling a revival of our old feelings. Menopause is THE most dangerous time for an anorexic. The vast majority of deaths due to eating disorders occur at that time, not as young people.
What I find funny is that she is against everything that sounds “easy” to her! Intuitive eating: too easy how can you eat everything you want? Weight loss aids (surgery / meds): it’s a shortcut you are cheating!!! Body acceptance: how can you just like yourself? You must hate yourself!! There is no winning with her, it’s either her own method or it’s trash :/ And it has to revolve around weight loss!! There is nothing about feeling better or improving habits
Hey Abby would love if you did a video on your take of David Sinclair's scientific study on longevity of life/ the possibility of reverse aging with certain methods like fasting (while still consuming the appropriate amount of satiating meals in a shorter time period) might be triggering but he comes from a very positive place and has a great scientific study on it.
Oh my god, I remember when I was in 7th grade I found her on the Internet and started following her fitness and nutrition advices... A few months after I started to develop an ED because of her distorted perception of health, weight loss and training.
Oh thank you Abbey. Voices like hers trigger my anxiety around food, generally leading to huge restriction then huge binging when I’m stressed. Your work has really helped me to see food as my friend not my addiction. I’m relearning my hunger and fullness queues. And it’s amazing how, now I’ve given my body permission to have what she wants if I truly want it (after checking in), my severe cravings and binge portions have disappeared.
I really appreciate your approach to this. In a sense, you and Jillian have similar career paths, but yours is truly filled with love and, most importantly: facts.
When Jillian said that women really shouldn't be eating more than 1,600 calories a day, I almost fell out of my chair. 😂 This woman is on another planet. One that I never want to be on. Also, so happy you tried the coconut brownie chunk bar, Abbey! It's my all time favorite!
Girl! Abby, you are so helpful and such an advocate for true health and peace around food! I had bad stomach aches and loss of appetite over the sumer for a few months, and started to lose weight, but then it also helped me to slow down my eating and I started to shift out of my binge eating habits. A few other things really helped catalyze some changes for me, including working night shift and having less stress at work, and more time to prep food for the week at home. I feel like I distanced myself from media and people who trigger shame about my body, and that helped too. I really appreciate all that you're doing putting out this content! It's like there has been a real voice for this kind of course correcting side to the arguments of body positivity vs constant shame driven dieting and pressured exercise. I needed this slow version of healing and changing and I really think a lot of people do! Our bodies do a lot of things slowly naturally, and it's ok to take things at a slow pace and really be present for every feeling that comes up. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! 💗💗💗
Hi Abbey, new subscriber here - I just want to say a big thank you for everything you do. Your content has been truly transformative for me and I'm grateful I came across you. I've been following the initiative eating approach for the last two weeks and it has completely changed my life. Thanks again x
I used to look up to Jillian in my early 20’s, now I just feel sorry for her. She’s obviously so afraid of ever being fat again that her brain punishes her for eating anything fun, it can’t be a great way to live.
I've been working so hard on eating more intuitively and breaking the restrict/binge cycle. Here I am, enjoying some of a bag of my favorite chips. I bought the bag on Sunday. It's Thursday. I find I can now eat a nice snack serving of chips (sometimes with sour cream to make it more filling, sometimes not) without eating the whole bag or feeling guilty and pledging to nEvEr BuY tHeM aGaIn. It's so much less dramatic. It's great. That's what intuitive eating means to me.
It seems like Jillian is viewing intuitive eating through a lens of fear (whether personal or from a business standpoint). When I began recovering from an ED I was convinced that my body did not need over X calories, and more than that would lead to exponential weight gain. It did not happen. My weight is higher than it once was, but has remained stable for years without my micromanaging my intake. Also, allowing myself to eat what I like made it EASIER to NOT binge, which I thought was absurd when I began. Knowing there are cookies in the freezer and I can eat as many as I want whenever (and not adjust my calories to “fit it in”) has led to me eating a smaller portion than I would have in ED days because I know that “treats” are always there and I can always have them. Food looses its intense appeal and just becomes something that runs in the background as part of a more complex and nuanced life. Paradoxically, you need to relinquish control in order to gain control over disordered eating habits.
Talking about the fitness part of this: I've recently had a lot of fatigue, and my PCM and I landed on anxiety treatment, and part of how we are treating it is to have me try to move daily, so my goal is just to move and for it to be therapeutic. No, I'm not doing an efficient workout. I'm doing 10 minutes on an elliptical at a 2 and casual pace or doing bodyweight exercises with low impact or doing some gentle movements. I was doing full-on workouts this summer and fall and loving them, but now I'm overwhelmed by that, so small is where I'm at right now, and I'm loving it!
I am classified as "morbidly obese" (god, i hate that statement) and while I not actively pursuing weightloss, I AM changing my eating habits....at a doctor's appointment this week, I was told I should be eating 2200 calories a day. By my doctor. So....yeah, I'm gonna listen to my certified health practitioner over a fatphobic, diet culture enriched woman who has built her life around being obsessed with the number on the scale. My heart goes out to all young people who see videos like Jillian's and end up with disordered eating behaviors. She is so problematic, how the hell she still has a platform is a mystery to me.
If diet culture wasn't so toxic, "intuitive eating" wouldn't be a way of eating, it would just be called EATING
This is the best comment I’ve ever seen about diets!
Yup!
So accurate, and sad, but accurate
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It’s people like Michaels that added to that toxicity in the first place…
The fact that she compares "unconditional permission to eat" to unconditional permission to smoke or drink just demonstrates the problem. Food isn't an indulgence or a vice. It's a necessity for life.
Absolutely!
Exactly!!! You are so right!
It depends, i believe it can be. There are food addicts out there
Not all foods are a necessity for life, there are ‘foods’ that are literally worse than cigarettes when consumed regularly and in large portions. Sure, I believe in indulging in cravings, but it depends on the person. If that person is an obese food addict, they might misunderstand what intuitive eating is, and since food addicts are constantly craving all sorts of unhealthy foods, indulging in their cravings is just going to make them bigger. If you have addictions, the only way is to restrict yourself. For eg., if you are an obese sugar junkie and you know you can’t stop at one cookie, then avoid cookies completely. I’ve lost nearly 100 pounds and have kept off the weight for 15 years, ex-binge eater, so I know what I’m talking about. People who have never been obese will never understand the struggle with issues like food addiction and binge-eating, it’s real and it’s hella ugly, and it is DIFFICULT to overcome, it’s no different than a chain-smoker’s struggle to quit smoking. There is no easy solution.
exactly, and for the vast majority of people it isn't neurologically addictive like cigarettes or alcohol. the 'addiction' only comes from deprivation
(obviously some people do have underlying psychological problems)
I think people like Jillian are the way they are because they are hangry all the time. I would be if I ate “the floor” amount of calories and didn’t ever eat anything “fun”
I was thinking the same thing!! Like Snicker's was right on "You're not you when you're hungry" so what happens if you're literally ALWAYS hungry because you keep limiting what you eat??
Yes, I remember following "healthy" eating and going on diets and I was hangry all the time. I think it also has to do with blood sugar levels because mine would go haywire on the diet. I haven't had my "hangry" moments for last year or so because I stopped with that mentality.
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Her & Kelly Ripa! There's gotta be a reason she's so wound up lol
@@ljd6643 seriously hahaaa
It sounds like she is absolutely terrified of gaining any weight ever, and feels the need to control the narrative around diet, exercise and weight to ease that fear.
It’s like learning a bully is actually a scared little child
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Jillian inadvertently reveals her own insecurities when she gives criticism
People’s grievances or annoyances are often things they are lacking or disliking in themselves, which is why we are more prone to be triggered by them in others, it’s more on our radar and touchy for us. Whereas other behaviors we hold we are less likely to hold cognitive dissonance if we don’t personally recognize them as “bad” or “good”. Of course, It could also be things we are personally aware of, insecure about or or interested in that influences our awareness of an interest & engagement. Jillian is the worst, I hate that she influenced my anorexic mom who in turn influenced me. Gross.
Yup 😫
I think that is a great observation. When I see her say some of those horrifically harsh things on the biggest loser, it makes you wonder what has gone on in her life that has normalized that? Whatever it is, it does not seem healthy or pleasant..
Doesn’t that make her human? Relatable? Like someone who’s tried until she made it, has the secret and wants to give it to you.
Definitely, I noticed that about her a long time ago.
Literally my husband has the perfect weight and BMI according to all commonly accepted medical standards but has high cholesterol, eats way too much salt and sugar, and is at risk for heart disease. I, on the other hand, am a size 14/16 and consistently fat shamed by doctors until they find out that I eat an amazing diet and have perfect blood work and work out daily. Health is not measured by a number on a scale.
Absolutely. Thank you for sharing
Cholesterol isnt bad though
@@ml2620 high LDL cholesterol is. it puts you at a very high risk of heart attack
Well, to be fair, when you are thin you can still absolutely have health problems, but are less likely to have those ones. However, when you’re very overweight, you’re undoubtedly causing stress harm to your body, even if it doesn’t yet show on some basic panels. Your joints alone are put through far more than the average individual and that wouldn’t be tested, and that inflammation can lead to other issues.
@@ml2620 having a high level of HDL cholesterol is bad and is definitively linked to heart attack and stroke. LDL cholesterol doesn’t matter as much and actually works to lube up our veins and help pass HDL cholesterol around and not build up and keeps blood circulating. I had very high cholesterol from 19-20 and reversed it with a drastic diet change (against my doctors wishes at first whom wanted to put me on pills for it, she later asked me to keep a food diary to study my success in lowering my cholesterol with diet). Now I just watch what I eat and am aware of how much HDL cholesterol I’m eating in a day.
I can't believe she said women don't need more than 1600 calories. What a dangerous blanket statement. So ignorant of so many other factors aside from age. 🤮
I know right! 😫
I’m almost 300 pounds and 5’5 which is big but I need 2700 to sustain myself. I’d go crazy with 1600 calories. Jillian is silly only putting herself as a 130 pound woman thinking that’s the same situation for every woman. She obviously doesn’t have a big appetite for her size.
she said OLD women can’t eat more than 1600 😭😭 something like “especially if you’re up there in age”
Right ! I eat 2600 at maintainence ! Imagine if I took Jillians advice...
I used to listen to her podcast (I know I'm sorry) and she would always advice people diets of 1800kcals or less if people asked for advice! It's crazy I'm young and can easily lose weight by eating like 2000 a day which is so much more sustainable in the long run.
Jillian is the embodiment of early 2000s diet culture. She reminds me of all the stuff I used to read in those teen magazines like “How to lose 3kg in a week!” Or “how xyz stays so slim year-round! Her secret diet tips revealed!” 🤦🏽♀️
Did anyone else start their fitness journey with the 30 day shred lol. I remember doing it in my living room when I was a teenager. Her Instagram is a shit show though.
Also “women shouldn’t eat more than 1600kcal”? What if you’re more active? What if you’re pregnant? What if you have a naturally higher metabolism? What a weird blanket statement from Jillian.
I had such an issue with the 1600 calorie thing. I burn 2400 calories a day between my basal metabolic rate and walking to and from work. People like her are why other people feel entitled to comment on how much I eat.
She didn’t even say all women. She said as you get older women’s metabolism slows down which is true. I think cherry picking what people say is bad as well.
@@allieb7705 “most people shouldn’t really… most women, especially women like higher in age” is the exact quote. I didn’t cherry pick anything.
Her and the views she touts are directly responsible for so many young people developing EDs.
Sure, older women’s metabolism slows down. But where does the arbitrary 1600kcal number come from? There is no magic number that any demographic should be eating. Also her setting 1200kcal as the minimum is scary. Very few adults can get all their required macro/ micronutrients from that amount of food regardless of their activity level. She’s a hack and 90% of the things she says are easily disproven.
I must be older than you because I remember people just like her spouting this crap in the 1980's.
@@starlight8554 she said obese people CAN go as low as 1200 calories. You don’t have to follow everything you hear from people on TV. You’re in charge of your own body and seeing how much your body needs/ wants. You can’t just blame other people and be the victim your whole life.
I’m a size 16. I run half marathons and am very healthy according to my labs and doctor. If I were to eat 1600 calories I would have no energy for my long runs.
PREACH! there’s a reason why your pant size is not on your medical records!
Gee rock on, don't let anyone judge you over the size of your clothes!
Absolutely! Thank you for sharing 👍
Same! I work out 3-4 times a week. I eat pretty healthy and my labs check out every time! I have PCOS and losing weight isnt as easy for me.
Marathons aside, that wouldn't be enough for an adult woman even if she was sedentary!
I stopped following Jillian when she said no one should eat a whole avocado in one day. You go shove it, Jill!
Oh wow!
What?! No one takes away my other half of the avocado. 🥺
If I'm not supposed to eat a whole Avocado then why is Guacamole so delicious??
Wow!!
I could eat MORE than a whole avocado in a day, I adore them! Jog on, Jill! 😁
Plus ol' Jill always seems like a very angry person ... Constantly 'Hangry'?? Anyone else think so?
Also ... I'm sure there are people out there who are size 16 and happy and I admire and respect any and ALL people who are happy with themselves and their bodies because as a body-hater I'm trying very hard to get myself into that place! ♥️
...and if I have felt like eating more than one?!? 🙄😜😁❤️🥑🥑 I feel like such a representation of rebellion. 😂😂😂😂😂
She’s just so combative about it geez. I also think when she mentions weight loss (and intuitive eating isn’t about weight loss), it shows that she cannot picture an outlook around eating that isn’t centered on weight loss.
For sure
It is her job to help people lose weight and get in shape. She is approaching this with that lens. People come to her to lose weight. That's the entire point.
Combative is a great definition. She's basically just saying "I dont think so, I dont agree" without actually bringing any evidence
@@brandiphillips5775 then she shouldn't even be thinking about approaching intuitive eating at all if she is going to keep that mentality, especially since she clearly doesn't know diddly squat about.
Yes! Exactly!
That was embarassing to speak publicly on topic she has zero understanding of. Unfortunately, a lot of people still follow her advice, since she was presented as "weight loss expert" worldwide. I am still trying to get rid of 1200kcal mentality and it's not easy.
For sure, I know that this can be very difficult. I hope my videos are helpful for you
@@AbbeysKitchen Yes, definitely! I am understanding so much more of my relationship with food. last supper syndrome, how I always saw fullness as eating as much as I can. I learned a lot!
Setting people impossible to maintain goals and then telling them they personally failed and should be disappointed in themselves is proper culty
Jillian calling something hostile is more irony than i can handle
Honestly, most people I have seen criticizing intuitive eating have not done their homework at all. It's especially frustrating if they have a large audience and they reinforce some of the diet culture talking points in defense of why intuitive eating will not work. It just spreads further misinformation.
Yep, it’s like how people only read a news headline and form an opinion without reading the article. All talk and virtue-signaling, no research or constructive discussion.
We should follow Abbey Sharp's Advices.
Actually, I have created one to highlights "Healthy Life Style" videos.
Come here, watch & Enjoy the videos. Thanks:)
For sure!
Watch unnatural vegan's take on it. It's solid.
@@IzumiCurtiss Actually, I have created one to highlights "Healthy Life Style" videos.
Come here, watch & Enjoy the videos. It will help us a lot. Thanks:)
It pains me to think I practically worshipped Jillian at one point in my life. It was with her guidance that I developed disordered eating and a terrible relationship with exercise. It all started in my teens and now in my 30’s I’m still unlearning toxic diet culture garbage I was spoon fed.
Same!!! I used to exercise to her tapes in my dorm room and embraced her "1200 calorie a day" philosophy. I'm so disappointed that the media has allowed her a platform, it's damaged so many people 😔
Yes, I didn't really like her per-say, but I watched things like the biggest loser and they just fueled all the wrong ideas. Now - all these years later - almost 40 - and I'm trying to undo the damage people like her did.
I understand your frustration!
I still got some of her books... I see this as a sign to go burn then 🔥
@@shelbybuchanan1433 she led me to believe if I didn't throw up after working out then I wasn't doing it right.
I don’t understand how people can agree with the idea that all bodies are worthy and deserve dignity but then publicly criticize someone like Lizzo just for their body!
Exactly! And then say just a few minutes before that people who are size 16 aren't healthy 🙄
She didn’t say their bodies, she said they as people were worthy. She absolutely does not view their bodies as worthy unfortunately…
She hates people who are obese. Her behavior on the biggest loser is proof.
TW: death, anorexia. I just watched a documentary called "addicted to food sharon's story", about a woman who had the highest BMI in the UK at around 575lb. After undergoing a gastric bypass, she developed anorexia, lost nearly 300lb in a few months and died, but the British press asserted that she died because of binge eating. I would love to see Abbey's commentary on this documentary.
I second this!
I'd love it too!
What was the reason given by the medical examiner? It could have very well been binge eating for all we know. It could have been that she had heart disease from being morbidly obese and her heart couldn't handle the strain. It could have been so many things.
@@brandiphillips5775 she starved, it's very clear. Your body cannot burn stores fast enough to keep your vital organs safe if you don't eat
She definitely intuitively ate.
I think one of things that drives me nuts about Jillian Michaels is that she is straight up NOT QUALIFIED to give nutrition advice. It’s out of your scope ma’am, give me a break!!! And she can’t even be bothered to do a shred of actual research. I can’t imagine the number of eating disorders she has inspired 😞 I wish she would stay in her lane, if nothing else
She inspired mine!
Absolutely!
I'm worried about her bone density
I don't know why people think being fat is an open door to discuss about someone's body or saying they have this or that disease. Jillian would never say the same things on models who are underweight for catwalks.
It's almost like fat people owe being "healthy" to the society when a lot of fat people can have conditions that have nothing to do with weight.
For sure!
Honestly, I think Julian Michaels COULD find something to criticize on a model - and (imo) that’s the root of issue. But that’s also why I appreciate IE so much - it soooo freeing
Thank you!
Those underweight models are at serious risk too, of losing their periods/hormonal problems, osteoporosis, and several serious vitamin deficiencies. But you’re right Jillian seems to only have a problem with overweight people.
When abbey said that jillian sees unconditional permission to eat as eating all the foods because she's restricting I FELT that. When I first heard about intuitive eating I thought it could never work for me 'cause I knew I'd just end up eating until I got sick every single day. Now I know I only wanted to do that because I'd been dieting my entire life...
It’s also hilarious to me that the critics of intuitive eating don’t realize that… this is how people who naturally maintain a healthy weight with zero “effort” often eat…
Yup!
They can eat intuitively because they don't crave as much calorie dense food
Abbey: I think Jillian was the first person that I can remember saying the 1200 calorie thing … so yes she may not have started it but she definitely promoted and popularized it a lot on her tv show The Biggest Loser … which was so incredibly toxic. No wonder my mom (who is anti diet culture) hated that show a lot. Go mom!
Go Mom!
If you look up people from her show The Biggest Loser most of those people have gained the weight back by now very few kept it off but most of the people gained it back by now it is very unrealistic I talk to trainers
For sure!
So THATS where I got that "rule" from! I was wondering why I always believed if I ate over 1200 I wasnt trying hard enough, which eventually led to me believing I'm just not good enough and then just giving up. I always had that voice in my head of "why even try" if I ended up eating 1600.
@@jennifersneath1310 pretty sure the exercises they had them doing were dangerous too and put them at high risk for injuries.
When I started using exercise, not as a tool for weight loss and help in restricting, but rather as a way to improve my stength, health and also to have fun, my ED symptoms started dissapearing. Thank you Abbey for teaching all of us that we need food and that we deserve to eat
Thank you for sharing. So glad my videos are helpful for you ❤️
Oh I knew it was going to be GOOD when I seen the name “JILLIAN MICHAELS” 😩🙄💀
I’m tired of that ghoul Jillian haunting my life since childhood lmao
I hope the video was helpful!
Julian thinks that most women shouldn't eat more than 1600 calories?? I'm a 28 year old female 120 pounds and I'd feel faint if I only ate 1600. I need 2000+ just to function
Yeah seriously, I can LOSE weight on 2200! Such a dangerous blanket statement that actively harms young women especially. Shameful!
Same!! I’m 38! 5”9 123 lbs. I need at least 2000 calories a day to maintain. Julian doesn’t know how fast everyone’s metabolism is. When I was weight training I needed 2400 a day just to maintain. If I ate 1600 I would look like a skeleton!
Me too!
I don't condone blanket statements about how much women need to eat, but can we please stop acting like 1600 calories is equal to starvation? Like- maybe if you are tall and have a big build, but generally, it's not. I'm active and I maintain a healthy weight eating around 2000 calories. If I wasn't active, like most people aren't, 1600 doesn't seem so far fetched to me. A lot of women can eat that and mantain a healthy weight.
@@IzumiCurtiss I am with you on the not starving on ~ 1600. Regarding the age related decrease I am inclined to agree with her, especially when you enter menopause area. But even then as soon as you start to be more active EVERY day AND have built a good amount of muscle mass (!) you can quite easily eat up to 2000-2.200 calories and maintain weight without struggling at all.
I'm really bothered by when she said "what if I said to give yourself unconditional permission to drink or smoke or spend money on what you don't have..." because those three things - alcohol, cigarettes, spending money - are not basic needs, but food IS a basic need! I see (from a diet-culture perspective ofc) what she's TRYING to say, but her argument truly does not make sense
Yeah, that was a weird point to make. It seems like she views food as "drug" - something that you have to be cautious about consuming.
Absolutely!
I see so many using the analogy of money like "you can't intuitively budget" completely missing that spending money and eating food are not the same thing at all. If I spent no money on a certain day, it probably doesn't affect anything, but if I ate nothing it would be bad.
Jillian is the embodiment of the early 2000's. As a teen like many others back then, this is the kind of all or nothing mindset that can truly ruin your life with food and exercise. Team Abbey all the way!
“Western society is never going to see improvements to population health when the barriers to entry are just so high.” 👏👏 Louder for the people in the back
Yup! 👍
She just seems angry all the time and it is honestly exhausting watching her talk. I feel like I’m holding my breath watching her speak - I feel like she would really benefit from gentle nutrition.
This! And that’s why it’s amusing she’s saying that the intuitive eating principles she’s reading are “angry” or “hostile”… has she heard herself?
I completely understand your frustration!
I see it as annoyance in how she sees all of us as pond scum, and herself as on a pedestal. If you're not 5'2" and 120 lbs, you're not worthy for Jillian, and you WILL BE judged.
I haven’t even struggled with an ED, but it nearly made me cry when she said you cant be healthy as a size 16 and only need up to 1600 calories as a woman… especially as someone who is a size 14 and healthy.
I’m also a size 14 and that actually really hurt my feelings because I’m not even fat just tall.
I understand. I'm so sorry if that was triggering for you
She has some very serious body image issues of her own and she’s projecting them onto others. You know better than she does if your healthy ❤️
I guess it shows how far from reality she is. It's definitely a thing. Specially for her being in the fitness industry for so long she probably just doesn't see normality anymore. 🤦🏻♀️
Right! I'm a size 14/16 but I'm also 5'10", 1600 calories would make me underweight. Shit like this made me "surprised" when I got blood tests done and blood pressure monitored and it turned out I was really healthy at 210. I always thought "I can't be healthy I'm overweight!" Turns out health is subjective and Size 14/16 looks and feels great on me.
Literally rubbing my hands together with glee while watching this. TELL HER ABBEY
I hope you found the video helpful!
Jillian is one of those 90s and 00s toxic gym"bro / gymgirl trainers". "You can hate yourself and punish yourself for eating because it means you can do more."
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The more we rally against fatphobia, the angrier she'll get I'm afraid. She's been capitalizing off it for years. Her livelihood (and lifestyle) is being threatened because it's based off of hate and hate is falling out of style.
Yup 😫
Well said!
Fat phobia 😂 who came up with this?
@@tiffanyjohnson135yeah these people are insane. No such thing as fatphobia
The editing on this one is so good!! I died when the rock showed up
Thanks!
I've heard that song so much on tiktok and yet this was the first time I saw the video!
Absolutely LOVE the attitude being served in this. It's well deserved!
Thank you!
At 4:45 when she said the thing about "women should't be eating more than 1600 calories a day", I almost felt that pain physically. Even when I was underweight and very disordered eating, I didn't eat any less that 1800 calories and nowadays, I need a whole 50% more than those 1600, just to maintain my muscle mass and especially to get through martial arts practice. I used to have severe brain-fog after the first third and only went for 1 1/2 hours a week. Now I am back to practicing 3 hours a week and I feel strong and alert!
I completely understand! Thank you for sharing
As a psychologist all I hear is what we call "authoritarian voices" when Gilian is talking. These voices represent very rigid, self critical and sometimes mean ego states (parts of our personality) that we develop in childhood and adolescence - mostly from our parents and society. Ultimately these rigid ego states actually want to protect us from harm and blame, so they have a "good" purpose but in Gillians case, she seems to be completely identified with these voices, which usually is a sign that 1. They are way out of control and dominate the whole internal system and 2. They probably protect a wounded inner child, so I guess she must have had some really sad experiences in her childhood related to her body or her acceptance in general. I'm sorry for her... unfortunately she passes down her authoritarian voices now to everyone else who listens to her. 😔
Interesting, thank you for the additional information!
as someone who was once like her mentally, this was an interesting thing I'm glad you elaborated on. healing took a lot of vulnerability and kindness that just wasn't in my scope of awareness before. so interesting to think back in times like that
When I see Jillian yelling at people to essentially kill themselves to get one more rep, I see her just yelling at her inner child who apparently used food as "coping mechanism" -- it's all that internalized shame being sublimated into rage at the person who represents to her the vulnerable part of her she can't accept.
Truth. I think this every time I hear someone who acts this way.
Possibly. Thank you for sharing your perspective
Intuitive eating is basically eating the good old fashioned way before the diet culture came to the picture. I don’t understand how people can ever be against it😶
Yup!
What is it? I always thought it was a strict diet judging off of the videos I’ve seen from influencers
Sounds like she still hasn’t read the research on the contestants she advised on the Biggest Loser.
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That's so sad
Laughing but also crying. The cognitive dissonance is insane.
I am now a size 16. I was a size 0-2 for 10 years and dying from cancer and endometriosis. Everything made me sick. When I had my ovaries removed and started to be able to eat normal food (not over 1440 calories a day and nothing is processed). I am so much more healiter now, bc I can actually absorb food. But bc I a strong hormone deficiency and thyroid issues (which are hard to fight bc Womens health sucks). She does not get that no every body that isn’t hers is not u healthy. And her tools don’t help everyone nor do we all want to be in a space. I was so micro nutrient deficient when I first lost weight.
Glad that you overcame cancer! People always assume weight loss is a sign of health without knowing the whole picture.
Absolutely. Thank you for sharing your experience with this
Listening to Jillian makes me feel sick to my stomach. This is the crap I listed to for years and I didn't think it would effect me this much to hear it again but I'm not okay listening to her rant. Thank you for addressing this so well.
She is such an aggressive, self-righteous, arrogant character. Super unpleasant!
I have a (former) family friend who considers Jillian a god and pushes some horrible, terrible stuff on her daughter as a result. It’s been painful to see and now that the daughter is in her teens, she’s doing everything she can to get away from her toxic mother. Poor kid.
I’m glad you found the video helpful!
@@frostyskeletons8950 Oh no, that poor girl! Sending good thoughts and positivity her way - she needs it.
I love how she accuses people who follow intuitive eating of anger with such an angry tone. Frankly, the way that someone like her uses the term "healthy" makes me uninterested in health at all. A part of health is learning to live in the body we have and honor it by not neglecting our nutrition needs.
Absolutely!
Jillian hides behind her 'Im so annoyed tone of voice with facial expressions' narcissism. Imagine living with her... Yikes.
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I don't know her. Could she be really like that in real life or is this just for the show?
That voice is hard to listen to. "It's soooo hostile".
@@515aleon That's what I was thinking. I'm having a hard time listening to her - because she isn't just talking or explaining or discussing - she's being very hostile. It seems she's clearly upset with herself... so she has so much passion/anger about the topic.
Is it bad that it was kinda just slightly attractive imo
I'm gonna sit this out actually, hearing her take on haes and talk about how much energy a woman actually "needs" was enough Jil for me for a lifetime. You tell her Abbey
I completely understand!
I cannot tell you how much I needed this video today. The women on my mother’s side of my family really negatively impacted mental health, especially when it comes to weight. You gave me a lot of hope that I can be healthy despite my binge eating disorder. Thank you so much
I’m so glad to is video can be helpful for you ❤️
@@AbbeysKitchen me too. Your videos mean a lot to a lot of people. & I really wish I knew someone like you growing up. You help people love & be kind to themselves
Staying with my family (who caused my ED issues ) so really grateful for these videos!! Feeling that stress and nervousness around food but your tips and encouragement help me feel centered
I'm so glad these videos have been helpful for you!
I just want to thank you. Your videos have helped me so much. It’s been a long journey for me breaking away from the madness of diet culture. As a personal trainer I have felt saturated and even brainwashed at times by the toxic advice from other professionals in my field. BUT I am learning to block out the noise and trust my intuition more. It has made me more compassionate towards myself and others. l am finally learning how to enjoy food without judgement. It’s truly been an AWAKENING for me. ❤️
I’m so glad my videos have been helpful for you ❤️ thank you for sharing!
Oh. I have seen her video on this….I was FUMING 😡 when I saw it. I personally am not an intuitive eater but she just seems so patronizing. Lost all respect for her after this.
I completely understand your frustration!
THANK YOU Abbey!!!! 👏👏👏 I’ve been waiting years for someone to challenge Jillian!! She is a most unpleasant human being who needs to be educated!
15:15 How could anyone let her train them? She's really scary, I would never let her decide what was safe for me to do. She threatened to break someone's knees with a weight? What? What?? How many injuries do her clients get because of this type of "training."
The portion from about 7:30 about food/overeating losing its novelty when you give yourself permission! I love that! It's so true, I've been discovering that exact thing lately.
Damn I’m a size 16 and that hurt lol I’m in the military in the best shape of my life. Too much booty in the trunk 🤣
Yeah, Julien was talking out of her butt in my opinion. I dont agree with "health at EVERY size" but a size 16 person could be incredibly healthy and in shape and a size 2 person could be terribly unhealthy. Pants size alone doesnt tell you that much.
@@Goat.Cheese absolutely! Thank you 👍
Size doesn't at all determine how healthy you are. Someone who is a size 2 could be considered more unhealthy due to diet and lifestyle choices, compared to someone that is a size 16 and tries to live a healthy lifestyle. Jillian spreads misinformation, so thank you Abbey for providing facts and educating the proper way.
Absolutely! So glad this video was helpful
TRUE.
Fr. My SO is as thin as he is BECAUSE he's unhealthy
but it can, if you are having too much weight on your body or too less it effects your health. period.
When she was trying to come up with a size that was “incredibly large” at the beginning and said size 16 I was … shocked. Like.. I have a size 16 jeans hanging in my closet, I feel like I’m relatively average sized, I’m working on my diet and exercise plan, literally just living my life … and she wants it to seem like people my size are beached whales who are on the verge of death?? Make it make sense.
I know right!
Any time someone claps back at Jillian's problematic "advice/solutions" using logic and human decency, I ascend to a higher state of being 😌
😂❤️
If anyone in the comments is interested in even more further reading on intuitive eating, I cannot recommend “When Women Stop Hating Their Bodies” by Jane R. Hirschmann. It’s a bit old, but that book changed my life!!
Thank you for the recommendation!
I am so glad that we're getting away from the bitchy boot camp mentality when it comes to exercise. If I had someone screaming at me while I am pushing myself physically, I would just stop and never do that hard thing again.
I love group classes because we push each other while reminding people to respect and acknowledge when they just can't keep going.
Encouragement motivates whereas judgement leads to failure.
WOW, I'M A SIZE 16 AND I FEEL ATTACKED BY JILLIAN. I'm working on my relationship with food and I don't need that negativity Jillian. This is why I adore you Abbey 💛
Absolutely! ❤️
This primal shift has happened for me, and I am not a size 0, but I don't "gorge" myself on foods as Jillian Michaels suggests. Thanks Abby, for giving real advice.
Glad the video was helpful!
"give yourself unconditional permission to eat"
Jillian: okay so now someone fat is just gonna eat an entire bag of doritos and gain even more weight
Me, someone fat: I'm craving doritos so I'm going to have some right now with hummus and Crudités and eat it until I feel content instead of trying to work against my body's incredibly delicate system of detecting what it needs or wants.
Sounds like an incredible snack! ❤️
Maybe like.. don't eat the Dorritos. Make dinner early
@@indy2316 maybe like, don’t comment and educate yourself, then comment later xx
@@annioliviamonster3797 How is 'eat a home cooked dinner instead of Doritos if you're in an uncontrollable cycle of binging' an uneducated thing to say? Maybe that person will learn to love real food instead of hating themselves. Eating food you don't like to stay thin is not sustainable.
Abbey is dangerous to advise constant snacking instead of recommending big filling dinners like our grandparents used to eat. You know, back in the 50s when most people were slim?
She is a problematic enforcer of restricting, so is it reasonable to expect her to do her homework? While I'm not someone that is a complete believer in intuitive eating(for myself), I don't knock to for those that benefit from it.
For sure
I have a level of peace with food right now that I didn't know was possible! Thanks to a variety of factors, one of which I do think is this channel! Thanks for your gentle nutrition advice, Abbey!
So glad my videos have been helpful for you!
what do you think the other factors are? asking for a friend...
@@hedera280 oh let’s see! Allowing myself to have the foods I want when I wanted them really did take their power away, slowly over time I didn’t constantly crave them. Then I ended up taking a break from intense exercise, and all of a sudden what I thought was my lack of willpower/boredom leading to wanting to snack all day was actually just under fueling myself.. all of a sudden I wasn’t wanting to snack all day and smaller meals filled me up for longer. when I was less active I was able to realize I could follow my hunger cues and my size/weight didn’t noticeably fluctuate (I don’t weigh myself, that helps too!). And like Abbey talks about removing the moral labels (“good” vs “bad”) from food helped me give myself grace! It’s all just food. Thoughts may still come up but I’m able to more easily move on. Wish I could better or more succinctly summarize, best of luck to your friend ☺️
All-In for almost a year recovering from an ED. 100% recovered, with no food rules. Jilian's advice is just dangerous. Especially for people with ED's or disordered eating...
Absolutely
Good on you for your recovery! Keep up the love for yourself you deserve that!
When I was at my worst with my eating disorder I was watching a lot of Gillian Michaels on tv, when I've had the healthiest relationship with food I've been watching Abbey, I think that says everything hahahaha
I like when Abbey questions what other say, and she is not afraid to disagree
I feel like so many public fitness figures have this “tough love, no pain no gain” approach, while the research suggests otherwise for weight loss and general health🙃 It’s annoying.
Absolutely 😫
Your videos are so incredibly helpful, Abbey. I can’t put into words how impactful you’ve been for me. Thank you for your content!
I’m so glad they are helpful for you, thank you for sharing! ❤️
I don't know, something about her just rubs me the wrong way. This whole "I'm better than you because I am a certain way, at a certain weight in this body that is 'approved' by society" mentality... She's so caught up in this dietculter thing that she can't see that different people have different conditions. And I think that comes from a place of fearing weight gain, like she thinks if she allows herself to eat more than a certain amount of calories, she somehow magically will balloon to the weight she once was.
She just seems so angry and strung out.
At around 6.44 when she describes it as "intense and hostile"...yeah I would say she describes herself..
I understand your frustration!
I'm so thankful for you. I started my weightloss journey this month & you keep me on track. People such as Jillian would scare me away from even trying.
I'm so glad my videos are helpful for you!
I love your food guilt phrase
“Unless you stole them-“ 😬
“-from a baby,” 😮💨
Yup! 👍
I still remember the first time I said "I shouldn't..." to a slice of cake. I didn't know why, I had just heard it so many times on TV etc. This learned behaviour is haunting, so watching this channel and hearing common sense over and over is really helpful to me.
The no pain no gain approach is so toxic. I thought I was sore from working out and kept going when I should have rested. Instead I was hurt for weeks and it took me a month to slowly ease into working out again. It doesn’t mean you’re lazy if you take off days or do less intense workouts when your body is tired. Yoga is healthy for your mind and body. It’s beyond just stretching. Each exercise has its benefits no matter the intensity. Muscles need time to repair, so it’s good to mix it up.
You’re completely right. Pain is your body is telling you something is wrong. I believe more In ‘no struggle no gain’ or ‘no discomfort as a result of lactic acid buildup, no gain’ lol
Absolutely! Thank you for sharing 👍
Have you watched Chellsie Memmel's return to competitive gymnastics? She was an Olympian as a teen and now that she's in her 30s, paying attention to her body is so important. She felt some twinges in her hamstring and rested it for 2 weeks, because she knew it was either 2 weeks of not doing a skill or never doing it again because of injury.
I went on a 1200 diet in college (lost about 22 lbs) and I was so severely anemic and iron deficient. I was so weak, tired and in so much pain. I ended up having to take 3 90mg pills of iron a day to get back to normal. I will never do that again because it’s insane.
“First of all…..I’m pretty sure the reason we need to get angry at diet culture is because of people like Jillian” - Yaaaasss Queen!!!! Thank you so much for this Abbey. You don’t know what important work you are doing. Health is personal and I’m sooooo tired of people insinuating thar when it comes to my weight, they are only worried about my health. No, they are projecting their own BS on me and others. Keep up the good work!!!!
I know 1200 calories is what toddlers eat, so it would make sense adults needs much more… but aren’t toddlers and kids so so so active? Like we are pretty sedentary as adults, although in larger bodies. Does that matter? Is 1200 or so calories still always too low?
I adore you! You remind me of my own eating disorder recovery dietician. And I am the most mentally/emotionally/holistically joyous, moderate, peaceful, balanced and empowered than I’ve ever been! Wishing everyone out there, their own loving and compassionate journey.
Thank you so much! I’m so glad my videos are helpful for you ❤️
I ate 1500 a day for my body and ended up with a life threatening eating disorder because my body needed way more than that! Everyone is so different, this BOILS my blood!!
Only a few minutes into the videos and there so many things I just want to scream at Jillian for saying. Omg the dress size equals health thing … total bs. I’m a size 2 (and short) and not healthy due chronic illnesses- trying to gain more weight. I know plenty of people who are a size 16 and are much healthier than me. Also people who are significantly taller than me can be a size 16 and be at a weight that even health professionals who use only BMI as an indicator of health would deem then healthy. So Jillian, maybe you need to educate yourself more. 🤦♀️
I lost 20 pounds last year and people were complimenting me. What they didn't know I actually lost my appetite because of stress.On top of that, I am severely deficient in B12. People don't understand that weight loss is not always a good thing.
@@prairiehorse6168 yep, exactly! Hope you’re doing well now 🤗
Absolutely. Thank you for sharing!
In my opinion, she's in perimenopause. All her fears as a kid have come back, and she's terrified of gaining weight.
I would feel sad for her, but there's a whole lot of us former anorexics heading towards menopause who are also feeling a revival of our old feelings.
Menopause is THE most dangerous time for an anorexic. The vast majority of deaths due to eating disorders occur at that time, not as young people.
What I find funny is that she is against everything that sounds “easy” to her!
Intuitive eating: too easy how can you eat everything you want?
Weight loss aids (surgery / meds): it’s a shortcut you are cheating!!!
Body acceptance: how can you just like yourself? You must hate yourself!!
There is no winning with her, it’s either her own method or it’s trash :/
And it has to revolve around weight loss!! There is nothing about feeling better or improving habits
Yup! For sure
Hey Abby would love if you did a video on your take of David Sinclair's scientific study on longevity of life/ the possibility of reverse aging with certain methods like fasting (while still consuming the appropriate amount of satiating meals in a shorter time period) might be triggering but he comes from a very positive place and has a great scientific study on it.
I'll have a look at that!
Jillian Michaels gives off major Disney villain vibes. I just know there is a Dalmatian puppy coat in the back of her closet somewhere.
😂😂
I have been WAITING for you to address this video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Oh my god, I remember when I was in 7th grade I found her on the Internet and started following her fitness and nutrition advices... A few months after I started to develop an ED because of her distorted perception of health, weight loss and training.
Oh thank you Abbey. Voices like hers trigger my anxiety around food, generally leading to huge restriction then huge binging when I’m stressed.
Your work has really helped me to see food as my friend not my addiction. I’m relearning my hunger and fullness queues. And it’s amazing how, now I’ve given my body permission to have what she wants if I truly want it (after checking in), my severe cravings and binge portions have disappeared.
I completely understand. I’m sorry if this was triggering for you!
Jillian is projecting the entire time. She says the points are hostile. all while being quite hostile herself! LOL
I really appreciate your approach to this. In a sense, you and Jillian have similar career paths, but yours is truly filled with love and, most importantly: facts.
When Jillian said that women really shouldn't be eating more than 1,600 calories a day, I almost fell out of my chair. 😂 This woman is on another planet. One that I never want to be on.
Also, so happy you tried the coconut brownie chunk bar, Abbey! It's my all time favorite!
I know right! It’s so good 👍
Girl! Abby, you are so helpful and such an advocate for true health and peace around food! I had bad stomach aches and loss of appetite over the sumer for a few months, and started to lose weight, but then it also helped me to slow down my eating and I started to shift out of my binge eating habits. A few other things really helped catalyze some changes for me, including working night shift and having less stress at work, and more time to prep food for the week at home. I feel like I distanced myself from media and people who trigger shame about my body, and that helped too. I really appreciate all that you're doing putting out this content! It's like there has been a real voice for this kind of course correcting side to the arguments of body positivity vs constant shame driven dieting and pressured exercise. I needed this slow version of healing and changing and I really think a lot of people do! Our bodies do a lot of things slowly naturally, and it's ok to take things at a slow pace and really be present for every feeling that comes up. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! 💗💗💗
Thank you for sharing your experience with this! So glad you're finding my videos helpful ❤️
Jillian and VShred are the gifts that keep on giving for fitness TH-camrs. After seeing her on Biggest Loser you can tell what she is all about.
Hi Abbey, new subscriber here - I just want to say a big thank you for everything you do. Your content has been truly transformative for me and I'm grateful I came across you. I've been following the initiative eating approach for the last two weeks and it has completely changed my life. Thanks again x
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!
You make me laugh and learn Abbey!
I used to look up to Jillian in my early 20’s, now I just feel sorry for her. She’s obviously so afraid of ever being fat again that her brain punishes her for eating anything fun, it can’t be a great way to live.
I've been working so hard on eating more intuitively and breaking the restrict/binge cycle. Here I am, enjoying some of a bag of my favorite chips. I bought the bag on Sunday. It's Thursday. I find I can now eat a nice snack serving of chips (sometimes with sour cream to make it more filling, sometimes not) without eating the whole bag or feeling guilty and pledging to nEvEr BuY tHeM aGaIn. It's so much less dramatic. It's great. That's what intuitive eating means to me.
That’s amazing! Thank you for sharing 😊
This intuitive eating style is so important for mental health concerning food, thank you for spreading the message Abbey
It seems like Jillian is viewing intuitive eating through a lens of fear (whether personal or from a business standpoint). When I began recovering from an ED I was convinced that my body did not need over X calories, and more than that would lead to exponential weight gain. It did not happen. My weight is higher than it once was, but has remained stable for years without my micromanaging my intake. Also, allowing myself to eat what I like made it EASIER to NOT binge, which I thought was absurd when I began. Knowing there are cookies in the freezer and I can eat as many as I want whenever (and not adjust my calories to “fit it in”) has led to me eating a smaller portion than I would have in ED days because I know that “treats” are always there and I can always have them. Food looses its intense appeal and just becomes something that runs in the background as part of a more complex and nuanced life. Paradoxically, you need to relinquish control in order to gain control over disordered eating habits.
Talking about the fitness part of this: I've recently had a lot of fatigue, and my PCM and I landed on anxiety treatment, and part of how we are treating it is to have me try to move daily, so my goal is just to move and for it to be therapeutic. No, I'm not doing an efficient workout. I'm doing 10 minutes on an elliptical at a 2 and casual pace or doing bodyweight exercises with low impact or doing some gentle movements.
I was doing full-on workouts this summer and fall and loving them, but now I'm overwhelmed by that, so small is where I'm at right now, and I'm loving it!
What is wrong with Jillian really. Why is she so delusional. . She likes looking down on others because of if they are slim or fat
I am classified as "morbidly obese" (god, i hate that statement) and while I not actively pursuing weightloss, I AM changing my eating habits....at a doctor's appointment this week, I was told I should be eating 2200 calories a day. By my doctor. So....yeah, I'm gonna listen to my certified health practitioner over a fatphobic, diet culture enriched woman who has built her life around being obsessed with the number on the scale.
My heart goes out to all young people who see videos like Jillian's and end up with disordered eating behaviors. She is so problematic, how the hell she still has a platform is a mystery to me.