Dr. Ioannidis on Why We Don't Have Reliable Data Surrounding COVID-19
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- As the coronavirus pandemic tightens its grip across the world, is the reaction a fiasco in the making? Stanford University professor Dr John Ioannidis lifts the lid on our worrying lack of reliable data.
And, see his thoughts in writing here:
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Head here for the full-length interview with Dr John: • Video
"We have gone into a complete panic state", says professor Dr. Ioannidis, describing the perfect storm that led Italy into crisis. The esteemed professor believes an exaggeration of the virus' mortality rate could lead the world to a fatal scenario: a lockdown lasting up to 18 months. "Then it is not just millions of lives at stake SARS-CoV-2, but billions, if we have to protract that for so long".
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Libby Handros - Ref. 7816
I've been discussing this topic with people since January. I feel like I'm bashing my head against a brick wall trying to explain it. It seems most people, even people I'd normally consider relatively smart, don't understand the basic stats. I find this very disturbing, since that's possibly reflective of the knowledge the politicians have of it.
I faced the exact same issue. The media confuses different sorts of mortality rates. The numbers particularly from John Hopkins have a sampling bias and of course anecdotal cases galore.
This isnt the first time though that as soon as I throw up my hands amd assume that the public will never learn, they prove me wrong and react with tremendous awareness. Five buck says that this is the mainstream view soon enough.
In the exact same boat
Rex Butt That is messed up if people are deleting them.
One thing that does worry me about his speech... he leans on the age factor. But we are seeing much younger people getting bad cases of this here in the USA.
I DO agree with a great deal of what he says. I particularly like the part where he talks about if we had a counter showing every death how it would sensationalize the deaths.
I do find it interesting that the politician who said that our grandparents might be willing to risk it to keep the economy and country going was brutalized. But this guy is saying the same thing.
Great video. I will be sharing.
Argh. Another ad.
I feel you so hard. As science became the playfield for extravert rockstar scientists and the REAL researchers got detached more and more of the policy makers, our democratic model became a really thin reality. Keep it up brother! It's hard to fight the stupid crowd, but it's worth it in the end. Greetings from Belgium.
Ikr but you can't do anything if they don't get it..
I have been telling anyone who would listen to me for weeks that the numbers from the Diamond Princess are the only "hard" data that we have. This guy is brilliant and is a voice of sober, intelligent reasoned science amongst the panic mongers in the media and the government. As of today in the US we have about 17 million people that have lost work almost overnight. Most of those jobs will not be coming back. In addition, there are millions of illegal people in the US with no savings, living paycheck to paycheck, who will not be getting any unemployment or stimulus. This is a ticking time bomb. Anyone suggesting a lockdown of 18 months should be ignored and lose their job.
You should also check out Dr. Offit. A viralogist who developed the rotavirus vaccine. He's another voice of reason.
Michael Deathless
i am a big proponent of the diamond princess data as well. everyone you want to know is in that data set.
keep promoting it and stay healthy
@@shakiramer Anyone know the average age of the Diamond Princess cases? My instinct is saying probably not 30-40.
@@UseYourDamnHead
i think the average age was 69 years old.
but here is some other data
Among 3,711 Diamond Princess passengers and crew, 712 (19.2%) had positive test results for SARS-CoV-2 (Figure 1). Of these, 331 (46.5%) were asymptomatic at the time of testing. Among 381 symptomatic patients, 37 (9.7%) required intensive care, and nine (1.3%) died (8). Infections also occurred among three Japanese responders, including one nurse, one quarantine officer, and one administrative officer (9). As of March 13, among 428 U.S. passengers and crew, 107 (25.0%) had positive test results for COVID-19; 11 U.S. passengers remain hospitalized in Japan (median age = 75 years), including seven in serious condition (median age = 76 years).
www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm
Satellite based 5G on board of the Diamond Princess, just sayin' ...
Fear is an incredibly powerful tool and the media know how to use it.
Those with biased agendas do not want true data to emerge. They prefer the panic and hysteria because it serves their biases.
Its great to hear a doctor that understands the situation at hand.
"It's a new pandemic" continues to talk about how we don't really know if it even is a pandemic. And now that we know any death that happens with coronavirus present is being recorded as caused by coronavirus, the death figures are totally unknown and could be very low
Doom Father TM exactly.. I’ve seen a couple of plays on the word pandemic lately , they are 1.Panicdemic..and my favourite 2.Plandemic 😆
100,000 deaths in Europe.
@@RichRich1955 Half a million dead in Europe now.
Share this video people. This is as close to true science as we have right now.
Another professor who is very experienced in Biostatistics and Epidemiology, but who can speak more freely ... th-cam.com/video/lGC5sGdz4kg/w-d-xo.html (Professor Knut Wittkowski)
Stanford University is far more establishment controlled so professor Dr John Ioannidis must be very careful not to reveal too much, it could risk his employment.
See the website, swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ which has vast numbers of links to information. Fake reporting of covid19 as the cause of death has also been confirmed in the USA. See the video presentation of Dr. Bukacek, a longtime Montana physician with over 30 years' experience practicing medicine. Signing death certificates is a routine part of her job... th-cam.com/video/_5wn1qs_bBk/w-d-xo.html In this video, Dr. Bukacek blows the whistle on the way the CDC is instructing physicians to exaggerate COVID 19 deaths on death certificates.
Sharing this in social media will most likely make people to abuse and blame you. "So you think old people should die!" they are shouting. Already I see entrepreneurs who are trying to talk about their point of view, and immediately people started abusing and threatening them in social media. People are scared to say their opinion.
@@lostintranslation3367 Disagreement does not equal abuse. I hope that people would object to letting people die just so that the stock market doesn't lose points.
This guy saw through all the fear porn back in March.
Finally someone that makes sense. Thank you Doctor.
This guy does not make any sense now. 😆
This guy should replace Fauci!!
@Bernie Demuth because Fauci is a little Napoleon man.
@Bernie Demuth Trump needs to get rid of him.
Fauci currently sits on a super-national board set up by Bill Gates to push forced vaccines on the global population. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/8/anthony-fauci-sets-stage-mandatory-vaccine/
@Bernie Demuth Trump is controlled by Israel, you should know that. Fauci is the lead member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force. Dr Anthony Fauci, the deep state swamp man who is pushing the USA population to home imprison themselves. Fauci has his name on a 'New England Journal of Medicine' article that contains the words _"This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) ..."_ www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
Then there's the video of Fauci announcing the coming of a *surprise pandemic* back in 2017, th-cam.com/video/3RWK1rur3vU/w-d-xo.html . He obviously knows it's a PLANdemic. Bill Gates the billionaire vaccine man would have planned it with him. To see Bill's background, view the video, *Who was Bill Gates Before Microsoft?* by reallygraceful th-cam.com/video/2wuMkShZ42o/w-d-xo.html
@@theknowall2232 USS Liberty , JFK , 911 , Virus all F/Fs committed by the same scum.
So much truth and common sense. Bless you, sir, for having the integrity to speak it.
Why is nobody of the responsible politicians listen to this serene voice and clear statements??
We Greeks are so proud of you Dr. Ioannidis!!!
calm, clear and full of facts. Such a nice change. Excellent
After seeing his first interview here i looked him up. His talks are eye-opening. It is so sad that science has fallen so low.
Medicine has fallen low. The rest of the sciences are thriving.
Science, in and of itself, isn't to blame. The fault lies with government and its medical myrmidon accomplices.
@David N
Not certain what you intended to convey within your comment, but I will nevertheless defend your inalienable right to confuse.
@@jeffersonianideal The information makes it clear that 88% of alleged covid19 deaths in Italy are deaths caused by other chronic serious diseases.
swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ (View also the links to medical experts).
The following links point to more medical experts who expose the fraud (of the establishment):
off-guardian.org/2020/03/19/iss-report-99-of-covid19-deaths-already-ill
off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/
off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/10-more-experts-criticising-the-coronavirus-panic/
Fake reporting of covid19 as the cause of death has also been confirmed in the USA. See the video presentation of Dr. Bukacek, a longtime Montana physician with over 30 years' experience practicing medicine. Signing death certificates is a routine part of her job... th-cam.com/video/_5wn1qs_bBk/w-d-xo.html In this video, Dr. Bukacek blows the whistle on the way the CDC is instructing physicians to exaggerate COVID 19 deaths on death certificates.
What I want to know is why we are not randomly testing 1000 individuals in the 50 largest metro areas? 50,000 tests should give us a very much more reliable estimate of the actual infection rate, why is this not already done?
Because then we couldn’t have justified several trillion dollars in free money to connected bank and corporate monopolies.
Thank you so much for your Competent explanation. 🌈
Thank you Dr. Ioannides. I just hope politicians LISTEN and take into consideration your words. I hope journalists stop playing doctors and not panic people all over the world. Please try to inform the public as often as possible.
POLITICIANS WILL NOT LISTEN. DEMONCRATS FOLLOW ORDERS, THIS IS POPULATION CONTROL AND REDUCTION, TO BRING THE NEW WORLD ORDER. WHEN PEOPLE WAKE UP WILL BE TOO LATE, PEOPLE WILL HAVE LOST EVERYTHING INCLUDING THEIR FREEDOM AND MILLIONS OF LIVES
Share share share share...why don't we have these doctors leading the health organizations rather than those frauds?
1:30 elderly 3:50 Italy 4:12 deaths with vs deaths by 5:00 Italy rushed and got saturated 7:00 panic 8:00 eighteen months
Sure enough - He's correct - SAME in USA (& how many other countries??) The PCRTests do NOT WORK see ~ Dr Reiner Fuellmich.
• "99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says."media
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
Thank you for posting this. A knowledgeable voice of sanity. Wish the BBC would broadcast this instead of the usual, so that people were better informed, including most governments.
Thats the most frustrating part, that these voices arent herd in the UK!! Instead we havr the likes of Prof Prat (Neil 'the numbers guy' Ferguson) who works everything out by computer modules!!! He shudv been fired yrs ago & sent off 2a desert island & do us all a favor!!! Should be Prof Knut advising Boris!!!!!
Some rational thinking! Thank you! God Bless!
Hundred salutes to you.👏👏👏👏👏
Holy cow, this is so insightful. This guy really did analyze data that I would never have thought about in a thousand years. I hope this gains traction now, and not after the fact.
He said 'Worse case 18 month lockdown'. Won't be much of an economy left after that. He's right that we should avoid that outcome.
What AIPAC wants ?
Thank You!! i heard about the good Dr. Ioannidis from Dr. Pamela Popper.
Same here 👍
@Danny mathis.. so did I. And am glad I checked.
She's a nut case. He's borderline.
The issue facing the US is not whether large numbers of people will get COVID-19. Either by accident or design, we're committed to accepting that a very substantial portion of the US population will become infected. The issue is, WHEN do all those people become infected. The timing of the infection is what distinguishes this pandemic from a normal flu season. The healthcare system can handle a bad flu season--it proved it this winter. It's clearly not designed to have large numbers of people requiring emergency intervention for a prolonged period ALL AT ONCE. What we need are policies and practices that allow a return to some form of normal life without precipitating a huge spike in infections. Downplaying the morbidity and mortality of this disease will not get us there.
This man speaks a lot of sense
@@alegriart
Another professor who is very experienced in Biostatistics and Epidemiology is this one ... th-cam.com/video/lGC5sGdz4kg/w-d-xo.html (Professor Knut Wittkowski) he can speak more freely.
Stanford University is far more establishment controlled so professor Dr John Ioannidis must be very careful not to reveal too much, it could risk his employment. See the website, swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ which has vast numbers of links to information. Fake reporting of covid19 as the cause of death has also been confirmed in the USA. See the video presentation of Dr. Bukacek, a longtime Montana physician with over 30 years' experience practicing medicine. Signing death certificates is a routine part of her job... th-cam.com/video/_5wn1qs_bBk/w-d-xo.html In this video, Dr. Bukacek blows the whistle on the way the CDC is instructing physicians to exaggerate COVID 19 deaths on death certificates.
@@alegriart
Another professor who is very experienced in Biostatistics and Epidemiology is this one ... th-cam.com/video/lGC5sGdz4kg/w-d-xo.html (Professor Knut Wittkowski) he can speak more freely.
Stanford University is far more establishment controlled so professor Dr John Ioannidis must be very careful not to reveal too much, it could risk his employment. See the website, swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ which has vast numbers of links to information. Fake reporting of covid19 as the cause of death has also been confirmed in the USA. See the video presentation of Dr. Bukacek, a longtime Montana physician with over 30 years' experience practicing medicine. Signing death certificates is a routine part of her job... th-cam.com/video/_5wn1qs_bBk/w-d-xo.html In this video, Dr. Bukacek blows the whistle on the way the CDC is instructing physicians to exaggerate COVID 19 deaths on death certificates.
Ευχαριστώ για τις πληροφορίες. Γιάννης.
The voice of reason.
I don't like one angle in this presentation. No alleged or semi real pandemic should give anybody the right to mandate quarantines or demanding public's obedience. I live in California and I do not like the "social distancing" and the total destruction of people's lives. The same hypocritical individuals who demand more power to allegedly control a "pandemic" murdered millions in various wars.
Dr Fauci said never shake hands again..... I've gone 99% of my life shaking hands, I won't for 6 months, I will after this.
Applause to this man! Listen to him goddamnit!
July 2021 - No one listened to this man early on. The world is broken. It is not going to get better. This whole event disgusts me. I am now an outcast in society. My dog and I will be spectators from now on. I will not roll up a sleeve. I am not a follower. Never have been and now it's hell living amongst those that refuse to think for themselves. Just remember this was a distraction for something even bigger. Look up at night and see if you notice anything, also during the day. Best of luck to you all regardless of what the future holds.
This man gets it
What a breath of fresh air! To speak clearly and dispassionately about the facts and their interpretation is what we need, yet almost never get. Use common sense, have a sense of perspective (esp. historical in this case), understand that the media cannot be trusted, and do not panic. Is this too much to ask?
I’ve noticed a trend with videos such as this, and others by Ioannidis. The view numbers are surprisingly low given the quality and credentials of the speaker. Especially given the large number of subs on this channel. I’m just now seeing this video for the first time after almost two years being posted. I gotta think YT is working hard to keep Ioannidis unknown to the masses.
I've just discovered this video 2+years on. If only Dr. Ioannidis was running the show, how different it would have been.
Of course this only gets 44,000 views. Thanks for sharing this!
Thanks for sharing this thorough assessment! Really insightful
this is real information that speaks from my common sense
I wounder why the cruise ship denominator was only 20% of the ship when some are stating that we need 90% infection for herd immunity. If the denominator is essentially the whole ship (possibly igm testing?), then the mortality rate will be a lot lower
The Japanese tested everyone using RT-PCR testing, they found 712 infected passengers and crew.
14 have now died out of 712 passengers infected, the fatality rate has increased to 2%. There's still some passengers in ICU, more might die.
@@Diamonddavej problem is the official statistics started mixing in deaths from other cruise ships after the 8th death when everyone was off the ship for quite awhile. Seems to have been a motivation to increase the apparent mortality rate once people became aware of the Diamond Princess data contradicting the WHO
@@abctrust6288 For COVID-19, the overall fatality rate in England was found to be 1.3%:
AGE IFR
• Overall 1.3%
• 0-4 0.00054%
• 5-14 0.0014%
• 15-24 0.0046%
• 25-44 0.031%
• 45-64 0.47%
• 65-74 3.1%
• 75+ 18%
From the MRC Biostatistics Unit at Cambridge University.
This was the result of an antibody survey (6.8% of the UK caught the virus) and official deaths in hospitals.
The UK used ELISA, a more accurate laboratory based test that has Zero false positives.
And in New York City, 19,000 to 23,000 of the City’s 8.4 million inhabitants died of COVID-19 i.e. 0.21% to 0.27% of the city (that’s tested confirmed deaths in hospitals, and + probable deaths).
However, an antibody survey found that 21.8% of the city caught the virus:
www.6sqft.com/new-york-covid-antibody-test-preliminary-results/
Therefore, the fatality rate in New York City was around 0.97% to 1.25%.
The issue with the Diamond Princess (2% fatality rate), is the people who went on the cruise were healthy, they were lower risk than the general population.
www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/report-on-nowcasting-and-forecasting-6th-july-2020/
Gaslighting and crazymaking are one in the same - they are both terms to describe a person that wants you to feel like you’re losing your mind. They do that by causing you to distrust your own decisions and make you think that you are wrong about almost everything.
They know how to turn you from a happy, assured individual with your own thoughts and ideas into a dependent, unsure and fragile person that can’t take any steps without checking in with them first.
Emotional abuse is insidious in nature, but crazymaking is the ultimate perception destroyer. If you can’t trust your own perceptions, you don’t even know what reality is. After some time with the crazymaker, you’ll come to trust the very person causing you to distrust yourself.
In the future the COVID-19 pandemic handling will be a hell of a case study for responding to pandemics
Fantastic, calm, reasoned and factually considered overview.
Thank you so much for uploading this video.
Thank you very much for this information! 👌
not Italy in general but Bergamo
Initially there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission. So acting on the assumption that it was possible was arguably an "overreaction."
that was an outright lie from the chinese government as the doctors were aware of human-to-human transmission
th-cam.com/video/lGC5sGdz4kg/w-d-xo.html
thanks for your realistic informations
This kind of information will not rebound on social media, unfortunately.
On msn it is saying that some Harvard people are saying social distancing may be needed until 2022. Bollocks, I will not be doing that. This is like a war against us.
Diamond Princess was a closed study and a great place to assess the relative threat of this new pandemic. "Deaths with SARS CoV-2 verus deaths by SARS Cov-2." This is where the CDC seems to be getting this wrong.
14 out of 712 passengers infected on the Diamond Princess have now died, over 70 passengers are still in hospital and some are still critically ill. That's a fatality rate of 2%.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_on_Diamond_Princess
very important thanks from Germany
13 died now on the Diamond Princess - Gives a CFR of 1.8% (13/712)
It's 14 now, a Japanese man recently died. There's still 77 in hospital, some are in ICU.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_on_Diamond_Princess
@UCq0809La2CZ0Rm_bbYOI9MA problem is the official statistics started mixing in deaths from other cruise ships after the 8th death when everyone was off the ship for quite awhile. Seems to have been a motivation to increase the apparent mortality rate once people became aware of the Diamond Princess data contradicting the WHO
I can’t believe you guys posted this video. Finally some truth from a left source.
In Italy, they all live together as well. So a grandmother who is 90, might live with her Children who are 70, with her grandson who is 40, all three age groups and genders are highly susceptible. Also Northern Italy is in a higher altitude, and hearing from some doctors many of the virus causes what is similar to altitude sickness. They need to consider just doing Hydroxychloriquie and zpak when people come dow with this, for those who need it.
My question is : Why are we doing this?
This guy is Greek... and for one more time a Greek man brings Light to the world... He seems like Gates of Light!
Thank god your government haven't put that idiot in charge. By the way Greece is doing great.
@@tamerlanet8781 Lol, you're a bad troll
Good guy! 👍💥❤️
Tragic that one of the most reasoned and measured scientific voices was suppressed and vilified in the press and academia. Long live Prof John Ioanidis!
But NY is not Italy !
Nothing like a good old crisis to bring us together
Never let a crisis go to waste .
Or apart...
It might start that way, but when the economy collapses, it will be Mad Max.
Why shelter in place? if you let the flu take it's course, children will infect each other and within 4 week will have herd immunity and that will cause the end of the flu.
Sheltering in place will keep the virus strong and going indefinitely.
We need to tell people to get out into the fresh air and mingle with everyone.
Smart man.
Suppose that the car culture accelerated infection rates early around the world. People share the small spaces of car interiors. Most were likely asymptomatically infected. Logically there are stronger and weaker mutations of the virus with them all being different like people are all different. There is some risk of being infected by a stronger mutation but how great is that risk? Here in the area I live quarantining means moving in with relatives or friends rather than the government actually isolating people in pricey hotel rooms or in specially erected quarantine quarters.
With today's short attention span, these interviews should be edited into a short trailer, with the most damning quotes from these doctors. Showing that many preeminent doctors are skeptical of this pandemic narrative, in one short trailer, will have greater viral(no pun intended) impact
Unless you're pretty wealthy in the US, you can't get tested and getting medical care will bankrupt you, so for the vast majority of us it's a matter of hoping we don't get sick, if we do we'll try to take care of ourselves with home remedies, and if it's not good enough, for most of us it's better to die at home because that won't bankrupt our families and make them homeless.
What are you talking about? The government just announced they will pay for all Covid-19 treatments including the insurance companies. This is why there is outrageous hysteria because persons get online making wild claims with no basis in fact....
@@klimon53 Yes, but what if you seek medical care and it turns out to be something other than coronavirus THEN you're bankrupt.
There are places testing for free. They are prioritizing higher risk people though.
Voice of reason
This is not a pandemic. This is a panicdemic. Shelter in place helps no-one and sacrifices lives of those who were in no danger to begin with. But now they are dead due to suicide, drug overdose, or delayed diagnosis of serious disease or illness.
He says the problem is we don't have good data, then proceeds to assuming global response is excessive, based on his preconceived notions about what good data might be. In an article of his, he's assuming this might be comparable to flu. 0,05% death rate when one in five elderly dies? Give me a break. How to bring back societies to normal after the lockdown is surely the million dollar question right now. But he's mentioning Italy where death rates multiplied because the healthcare system was overwhelmed, yet still talks of exaggeration. He's insinuating US healthcare can take it better and it took like 10 days for him to be proven tragically wrong - just read of US hospitals saying that at the current rate they will be out of ventilators in 6 days - make no mistake, if you need a ventilator and do not get it, you die. There's much to learn in the following months in order to be able to say how and when to start going back to normalcy, not just data coming through mass testing. We don't even know how the virus works and what it does to different people, antibodies etc yet. Also, any medical developments will play a huge role. Your country proceeding in a lockdown after so much "what about the economy? it might be better to just let old people die" and weeks of ignoring the fact that infections gained an exponential rate that got it the highest death count globally is not the best time to insinuate social distancing may be more destructive than the pandemic. There will be more time for that in the future, hopefully done in intellectual honesty and not in disguising the economic interests of the few as public interest.
cripple horse Do you realize how idiotic and gullible you sound... Walt Disney was a genius and pegged you decades ago th-cam.com/video/p_GaYdae4j0/w-d-xo.html. You must he one of the Ghostbusters, too: th-cam.com/video/9S4cldkdCjE/w-d-xo.html.
@@WeknowhoUR A bit rich coming from someone who sounds more like a bot than a human being
cripple horse Thanks for making our point!
Cripple horse, you are right. This guy is fundamentally underestimating the crisis. 1% death rate is very very high for one season. I know here in Ireland, they are flattening the curve, but from my medical friends, they tell me its pretty lethal. You have very small chance if you get put on a ventilator. It's just a Hail Mary at that stage.
@@theftauto79 Judging from my country and many others, it seems that people on ventilators roughly have a 50% survival rate, which is of course still terrible, but at least half of them survive when they would all die without it. Instead of being overly pessimistic, let's push for healthcare systems that will not run out of ventilators and force doctors to choose who lives and who dies.
But yeap, to begin with, his line of thinking leads to a frankly ridiculous conclusion: That when in doubt about the true death rates of a rapidly spreading disease, we should err in the side of not harming the economy and against trying to save as many people as possible. Apparently, we should wait for good data and have already caused thousands of people to be dying every day, as was the course that US took up to this point. Then, even conceding that some people go through this asymptomatic or without being diagnosed - so death rates must be somewhat lower - he's throwing a ton of assumptions to the public based on a best-case scenario that already seems unlikely by whatever incomplete data we do have. Like all scientists he criticizes throughout his career, he's showing clear bias towards the results he would like to be true in this case.
I'm glad of whatever countries base their coronavirus response on science. But what seems to be alarming to me is having certain political decisions taken while being masked under seemingly technocratic thinking. So let's say Ioannidis' gut was right about deaths being closer to his best case scenario (of this virus being like a flu?). Who decides when "the treatment is worse than the cure"? Will we see Ioannidis demanding scientific data regarding how many people would die due to economic difficulties - as he's seemingly concerned about - in order to pitch them against coronavirus death rates and be able to make "evidence-based decisions" about the necessity to lift a lockdown? For some strange reason - as strange it is for an epidemiologist to be presenting the argument for the economy instead of public health - I'm sure that would never happen. Who decides what death rate is acceptable then? And what's this "economy" we are talking about? Does anybody honestly believe that a "workers first" approach would lead to the same decisions as a "corporations first" approach on deciding when the economic effects are worse than letting people get sick? Would we let such decisions to technocrats? What economic policies are taken for granted here? Maybe taxing the rich and providing universal income instead lowers the death rates that make a lockdown seem like the sensible thing? So I'm sorry to say I see a clear Trumpian agenda beneath what Ioannidis seems to be saying. And it's not the plea for more scientific data that is concerning, but what preconceived political decisions they are supposed to support once we have it.
End the fed cartel!
Facebook removed this video from my timeline. I guess they don't like science.
Correction the death rate in the Diamond Princess is 1.685% (12)
, that is 0.32336%
to their total population of 3711. They were old people but they had access to respirators as needed.
@UCq0809La2CZ0Rm_bbYOI9MA problem is the official statistics started mixing in deaths from other cruise ships after the 8th death when everyone was off the ship for quite awhile. Seems to have been a motivation to increase the apparent mortality rate once people became aware of the Diamond Princess data contradicting the WHO
I do get the bottom line of what he is saying but the thing is that CoVid 19 absolutely overwhelmed the healthcare systems of so many different places apart from Italy, we have a high percentage of people who were not considered to be in the risk group needing hospitalisation, therefore social distancing and some sort of short term lockdown is totally necessary.
This guy needs to replace Fraudchi.🤔
The only shots I take are from a liquor store. 😆 OPA
Did your wittkower videos get taken down?
it was Wittkowski, it was taken down. You can still find some interview snippets of him on youtube. I haven't checked vimeo or bitchute. He basically says : protect the vulnerable, otherwise just let it run its course, which is what we always do for corona/flu. But previously, they were not used for political purposes...
Just let It rip
Check this on you tube:
How Honest is the COVID Fatality Count ? Dr. Scott Jensen is a Physician & Minnesota State Senator.
U have roots from Greece ha?aa
Satellite based 5G on board of the Diamond Princess, just sayin' ...
The Indian lockdown( absolute) is working.less than 1 death per million population.but nobody has a clue about 1.economic repercussions.the gdp growth rate was already dipping in india prior to the pandemic.the rupee was the worst performing asian currency in 2019
2. what about after the lockdown.when people come out.
Sword of Truth to cut out the corruption. Our President Trump needs to see this.
Why did no one listen to this man????
It’s radiation poisoning fools
%1 in a petri dish (Cruise ship) hmm
it's interesting and probably a more accurate number; i watched the whole interview and would have liked to know if medical professionals usually die this much or if sars-cov2 is hitting them harder because of overexposure.
it's been reported that people without a medical history are dying, which, is sad but that's due to lack of funding in research and something the public should consider.
love to see the publics reaction to daily air pollution deaths, heart disease, pnemonia, etc
@@stephentrueman4843 #Empty Hospitals ?
Just a note. Many of his colleagues have challenged the statistical results of his team’s studies because the subjects were gathered through Facebook and as a result were not truly random. Now, I am not saying he is wrong, I am just saying that there might be good reason he is one of the few who have these opinions.
There are many that agree with him. His study was fine. Since he tells the truth, as opposed to lying for US policy, his detractors have tried to make up nonsense to discredit him.
Yeah it’s amazing how critical and nit picking they are towards studies which contradict the official narrative, but absolutely no criticism or thought going against the absurd claims from the CDC and WHO
What this is all about ?
Why did he refer to it SARS CO 2???
Where have you been the last few months that you haven't heard about the correct naming protocol of SARS viruses?
Finally journeyman speaks full picture , I think that's the only universal truth that you speak other side
ok, I listened to you. Now, how can you explain the increasing number of infected and deaths in a well developed and equiped country as the US? Well, I have to say it has been growing a lot since you recorded this message, so by that time it was easy to explain all the reasons why Italy was the most affected country.
Comorbidities i would assume; same reason the uk is getting slapped
Please people, this is a time of panic. No need to resort to critical thinking.
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An edited cut of last weeks' video. This is out of date already.
When he brings up the cruise ship Diamond Princess, he calls the virus "SARS COV2 (?)". He also refers to it using that same term a few more times. Anyone know why? Is that another name for COVID-19? Is it related to SARS?
SARS COV2 is the name of the virus. COVID-19 is the name of the disease it causes (Coronavirus Disease 2019)
@@angelaclements6746 Thank you so much for the clarification!
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The more I listen to this guy.... The more I think I took the wrong pill in the Matrix.
Apparently there are scientists pointing out major methadological flaws in this guys study, I'd be interested to hear his rebuttals
He is wrong though, we have excellent data, maybe he doesn't like the results
We absolutely don't!!!... You'd need to autopsy every death to get sure fire data. What is clear is this virus is killing people when it all adds up. He makes some good points don't agree with everything but don't dismiss him.
Mike Mono what I mean is that the scale of deaths alone are excellent data if you want to determine if the virus is a very dangerous one. This is all you need, you don't need the absolute percentage unless you are a statistician. Our goal is to save lives not do maths