Jukendo - Japanese Bayonet Fighting at Kashihara Jingu and Budokan 銃剣道

Jukendo is Japanese Bayonet Fighting which developed out of French bayonet fighting techniques and old Japanese spear fighting from the mid-late 19th Century.
I filmed some jukendo at Kashihara Jingu on National Foundation Day and at Budokan at their Kagami Biraki event:
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[@MetoFulcurm]

Those repeated thrusts with a shout behind each seemed like a fighting game spam attack.

[@bonniebarrigar1618]

That was exciting to watch. Those guys are so quick, strong, and graceful it's was amazing!

[@toraonekomiya1334]

Thanks your good comments. I am pleased as one of the athletes playing this competition.

[@Parcolai]

I remember seeing this in a NHK program. There are a lot of SDF members practicing this. Guess it helps with their training as well. I wonder if this is gonna evolve into something with mag fed rifles though. It would be interesting to see how it changes the sport by having a protruding piece. Maybe I'm dreaming too much.

[@michaelwest4793]

I don't think bayonet fighting haens much with semi, and fully automatic rifles. If bayonet training is eben stillt aught. It doesn't seem to be a factor as it was when rifles were single shot. If anything, they could bring back sojutsu, or sokendo?

[@projectv.e.k.essays7699]

The US Marine corps does teach bayonet/rifle-butt combat, you can strike with the butt of the rifle or stab with the bayonet (th-cam.com/video/Y5Xv3x45Tlk/w-d-xo.html) though it doesn't seem to have the protruding piece, i imagine because they assume that if you get into a situation where you use the bayonet you're probably out of ammo and the magazine is probably not in the rifle, could be wrong, but it's interesting too.

[@mmaurer1598]

Very informative video, you really know a lot about Japan! Great work.

[@admiralrover5675]

Is there any difference in French and Japanese bayonet fencing

[@ppkrex]

French taught lunges.

[@xodiak1222]

The French surrender more quickly

[@leonardonovara9348]

French bayonet fencing is done with an one day old baguette.

[@peterkhew7414]

The Japanese use longer bayonets.

[@tarquiniussuperbus21]

The frenche use a the whole body as a target area and also different training weapons and techniques.

[@forestchicken6689]

They tried that in ww2 mowed them down with m1 rifles and 30 cal machine guns. Cool video.

[@paxsinica5202]

those who did break through would've rekt the americans in close combat though

[@carlcunningham7750]

forest chicken Beg pardon, but from what I can tell, this sport is more heavily based on when rifles were basically single shot in the heat of combat e.g. flintlock, thus the focus on having close combat skills after you fired.

[@Jonpicklewater]

@@carlcunningham7750 flint locks are 1700s martini Henry’s and maxim machine guns are 1800s

[@carlcunningham7750]

@@Jonpicklewater yeah, I get that- I'm saying this martial art (and, bayonet fighting at large) was most critical when loading and firing your gun was slow, such as when Flintlock was the most common sort of weapon. As firearms tech advanced, and firing became more rapid the importance of these skills became downplayed.

[@IslamistSocialist371]

with heavy cassaulties.

[@typorad]

This seems very goofy from a HEMA perspective. Watching the hands get stabbed repeatedly but it does not "count". The fight does not stop after someone is stabbed (though I know not every stab is immediately lethal) there's just a strange continuation of stabbing the hell out of each other. Limited focus on defense, not utilizing the entire length of the rifle.

[@RoninDave]

well take it up with the French and Japanese who have been doing this for over 100 years.

[@typorad]

@@RoninDave And likely dying for over 100 years. Many European powers certainly did take it up with the French. I believe it was the Prussians who learned to lunge one handed with the bayonet for maximum reach; the French certainly were not winning many wars in the late 19th century.

[@RoninDave]

@@typorad Well I'm sure they are amiss not to have had an expert such as yourself to teach them the errors of their ways 😂

[@matthewpham9525]

​@@typorad
Lord, why is the HEMA community so full of armchair warriors? You don't see this garbage in fencing, silat, muay thai, or anything else, but there's always some smug neckbeard in the comments of every weapons based TH-cam video talking about how the presented subject sucks compared to HEMA.
Fencing traditions in the 19th century were predominantly French, including smallsword, saber, and bayonet, developing the one handed bayonet thrust you mention. The French tradition was so prominent that it made it's way to Japan, out-competing the Prussian (still quite French) traditions, before being dropped for what we see here.
Edit: lmao how you think bayonet fencing had anything to do with French military performance.

[@thomastucker7317]

You will see similar things in HEMA just to different degrees, tippy cuts and thrusts often won't be awarded, flat cuts won't be awarded, throws are often disallowed even though they are completely viable and historically valid. There is a line drawn, it is just drawn in a different place. In kendo (and I imagine jukendo and naginata), the line is drawn at the perfect attack, in that it is delivered with speed and force and spirit at the correct targets (another line that is drawn in HEMA, feet, back of head, spine, groin are all off limits - not to say that they should be, only that there is a line drawn) and with the correct section of the weapon. Different rules breed different fencing, another thing parallel to HEMA, with so many different tournament rulesets you will see different styles of fencing emerge.
I say this as someone who has practiced HEMA londsword and military sabre for near 4 years now and am tired of the brigading of sport fencing and jsa by HEMA people, they are different sports with different rules and different goals. If you took a high level jukendoka and put them in a HEMA ruleset, give them a few weeks to adjust to the rules and they would probably do very well