How to catch a bad scientist

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  • @CELLPERSPECTIVE
    @CELLPERSPECTIVE 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +82

    It's crazy how my view has changed over the entirety of my education; in my undergrad, I automatically assumed that anyone who was "smart enough" to publish a paper was deemed to be a pillar of the industry, only to enter grad school and find out that scumbags exist in every field :)

    • @Im0nJupiter
      @Im0nJupiter วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The two people I know who got published in undergrad did jack shit to get on the paper. It was "thanks for cleaning the dishes and attending meetings, here's a pub".

  • @sdwysc
    @sdwysc 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

    Frauds can also be detected if the following points are all true to some extent:
    a) fails to keep MS/phd students in their lab,
    b) has lots of collaboration, getting idea from collaborators, making students do everything with 0% help, securing corresponding author position doing simply nothing.
    c) hiring too many post docs.
    d) reaching out to great professors and doing their side works with the help of high-paid post-doc. As a result, being able to get Co-PI position in next grant.
    e) Being Co-PI in many grants and have no PI of any grants.

    • @crimfan
      @crimfan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      This is a good list, though your point (e) can be wrong depending on the person's specialization. For example, someone who's a technical specialist, e.g., a statistician or specialist in certain data gathering methods, is quite frequently a co-PI but quite rarely a PI.

    • @sdwysc
      @sdwysc 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@crimfan I agree with you. The points I mentioned are all linked together. So, the points are all "AND"s

    • @pranaypallavtripathi2460
      @pranaypallavtripathi2460 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This should be the pinned comment.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Even without fraud that's definitely a shitty workplace

    • @crimfan
      @crimfan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@samsonsoturian6013 Sure is. I was a co-PI with someone who was a PI like that. Terrible. There was massive turnover that definitely affected the work. Bleh. What a shitshow.

  • @pheodec
    @pheodec 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Based on my observations: A lot of people don’t care about scientific fraud

    • @user-vb3ly7ib4r
      @user-vb3ly7ib4r 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A lot of people don't care about fraud

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      They won't even check. Essentially, if a news blurb comes out: "Dark chocolate now proven to make you wealthier", you can *GUARANTEE* that dark choco sales will increase. Guaranteed.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A lot of people WANT fraud to go unnoticed. It's like the Olympics, we want to entertain power fantasies about what is possible, also fraud is the only way to change demographic trends in academia

    • @crimfan
      @crimfan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      They're happy to have their pre-existing views supported, yep.

    • @sssspider
      @sssspider 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They have literally been trained and coerced, with the threat of social ostracism, to listen to The Experts and trust The Science, no matter what. Acknowledging that scientists may be not only wrong, but *willfully* corrupt and serving a non-scientific agenda - is basically sacrilege of The Science, the modern church that has little to do with the scientific method.

  • @Batmans_Pet_Goldfish
    @Batmans_Pet_Goldfish 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    "Right to jail."

  • @enemyofYTemployees
    @enemyofYTemployees 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    After hearing about Harvard’s disgraced ex-dean, I am not surprised scammers fill the top-rung of the healthcare industrial complex.

    • @lauraon
      @lauraon วันที่ผ่านมา

      👍Stanford too

  • @tugger
    @tugger 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    the violin doesn't work with speech

  • @Astroponicist
    @Astroponicist 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    @2:22 "the manpower or the infrastructure" If you can popularize lawsuits against scientific fraud it will become a self driving mechanism.

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That will NEVER happen. The wealthy cannot possibly allow it; it would destroy them at the very core.

    • @crimfan
      @crimfan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Be careful of what you wish for because lawsuits can and are used by bullies who want to cause problems. Most scientists don't have deep enough pockets to ward that off.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Or just criminalize it as fraud. Technically no new laws are needed, as anyone can reasonably expect financial gain from getting published

    • @_human_1946
      @_human_1946 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@crimfanYeah, it's easy to imagine corporations abusing it to suppress studies they don't like

    • @gregorycolonescu6059
      @gregorycolonescu6059 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@_human_1946 then include something similar to SLAPP but with more teeth.

  • @nnonotnow
    @nnonotnow 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    We are seeing how people that lack integrity and honesty can easily game the system. And that's just not in publishing scientific papers. It's epidemic throughout our society. Great video!

  • @diffpizza
    @diffpizza 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    I think it's time to treat scientific papers like we treat open source code: Something that EVERYONE can audit and analyze, without any paywalls or any other impediment. Also, I think that each university should host its own server for provisioning data about the publications and have them authenticated through a decentralized blockchain method.

    • @arabusov
      @arabusov 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      For my data analysis, I've preselected 1 TB real and simulated data. There's no way my university is going to keep this data longer than I stay working on this data, after that it will be removed, because the cost of storing such big data for decades without any further use is just ridiculously expensive.

    • @BenjaminGatti
      @BenjaminGatti 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@arabusovseriously? 1 terabyte is like what $40?

    • @wintermute5974
      @wintermute5974 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Universities do increasingly have long term storage for research data. You can always reach out to the researchers and ask if they'd share their data with you or if its being hosted somewhere. Of course lots of data can't actually be shared even when it is stored, for reasons related to privacy laws, ethics policies or commerical agreements.

    • @arabusov
      @arabusov 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BenjaminGatti it must be done by means of universities, they need to dedicate people and hardware for just this task. It's expensive

    • @TheThreatenedSwan
      @TheThreatenedSwan วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Important genome data like from the UK biobank is kept under lock and key so people don't get any unapproved ideas about things like race

  • @Draconisrex1
    @Draconisrex1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +85

    My wife is a scientist. I think more than four as primary author is suspicious.

    • @kheming01
      @kheming01 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      what do you mean primary author? if you only mean author I don't think so... because sometimesnyou need collaboration on fields for a research, example biologists and physicians, then, if it is the work of students, you need to include the supervisors and PI. if you need a technology only available in another lab, you'll have to include whoever conducted the experiment in the other lab... I understand that a max of 8-10 authors if sufficient for most of research

    • @kheming01
      @kheming01 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      this type of mindset is what excluded me from 2 papers in which I had significantly contributed on. They thought there were too many authors listed so they excluded the undergrad students

    • @DaLiJeIOvoImeZauzeto
      @DaLiJeIOvoImeZauzeto 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@kheming01 He means "equally contributing authors", those considered to have done the critical parts of the backbone of the paper.

    • @crimfan
      @crimfan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      It depends a lot on the area. In some areas like particle physics, you'll see A LOT of authors. In other areas, like math or philosophy, multiple authors is rare. That said, I do agree with your wife that author lists have gotten pretty out of hand in some areas... social psychology, I'm talking about you.

    • @DrJTPhysio
      @DrJTPhysio 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Draconisrex1 Yeah, 4 is def a large amount as a PI, especially if it's experimental research and if it's human subjects.

  • @cfromnowhere
    @cfromnowhere 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Governmental conflicts of interest definitely deserve more attention. When most people talk about conflicts of interest, they often only talk about corporate conflicts of interest. Governmental grants are often seen as a public expense and represent the interest of taxpayers, in other words, you and me. But in reality, the ruling class often holds the ultimate decision of who gets the fund, which can go against the public interest in a lot of ways.
    While it is not strictly academic, are you interested in fraud in healthcare reviews from governmental institutions (e.g. the notorious Cass Review and others)? Speaking of corporate conflicts of interest, I think another neglected area is weight loss research, which almost always makes their results more appealing than they actually are.

  • @00Jman2000
    @00Jman2000 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    great summary. would be interesting to see how journals react to recent developments and fraud cases.

  • @titaniumteddybear
    @titaniumteddybear 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    The survey you did could have benefited from lower response options. 70% of respondents choosing a single option is absurdly high. It is possible that many of your viewers consider more than 5 papers a year to be too many, but there wasn't an option for that so they choose the nearest one: 10+. However, this does not contradict your conclusions in any way. I just felt it important to comment on it, given that the video is about scientific accuracy. Keep fighting the good fight.

  • @jeffersondaviszombie2734
    @jeffersondaviszombie2734 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    The ones with this amount of papers published per year could be working in large physics collaborations, like those at CERN: ATLAS, CMS and even the progressively smaller ones such as LHCb, Alice and so forth. For example, last year, the ATLAS collaboration published 111 papers, each one having an author list of about 3000 people. Up to now, in 2024, there have been 69 ATLAS papers published. Of course, these large physics experiments are a bit funny that way because they couldn't even happen if they wouldn't be run this way. But I don't doubt that there are a lot of fraudsters claiming to publish hundreds of papers per year in small teams or on their own. That's a completely different story.

    • @crimfan
      @crimfan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes indeed that is quite true.

    • @Anton-tf9iw
      @Anton-tf9iw 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And why should that bad habit be acceptable?

    • @jeffersondaviszombie2734
      @jeffersondaviszombie2734 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Anton-tf9iw did you miss the part where I said that this is the only way to run this type of physics experiment? In high-energy physics experiments aren't tabletop stuff. They are giant apparatuses that are some of the most complex devices ever created. You think people would contribute to building them without any recognition? Out of those 3000 ATLAS authors, a few dozens are actual physics theoreticians, a few hundred do physics data analysis, which could be any other type of data analysis in most cases, and then, the vast majority, are doing engineering research, development, manufacturing, logistics etc. And all of this is done by people working in research institutes, where publications are essential for career advancement. So nobody would contribute if their contributions were not recognized. And without all those contributions, nothing would be accomplished. So you criticizing the way things are done only show you don't understand how things are done.

    • @01Aigul
      @01Aigul 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Anton-tf9iw Whether you think it's acceptable or not, it doesn't mean the papers are fake. Those are two different issues.

    • @satunnainenkatselija4478
      @satunnainenkatselija4478 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@jeffersondaviszombie2734 Engineers, developers, machinists, and warehouse operators do not need career advancements in physics. They may have other ways to advance their careers or they could also be happy to continue to work in their positions as professionals. I think it is ludicrous to include them as authors in physics publications even if they all work in an institution.

  • @vulpo
    @vulpo 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Isn't "Peer Review" supposed to catch most of these things? Isn't that the whole idea of peer-reviewed studies?

    • @fluffymcdeath
      @fluffymcdeath 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Peer review is a scam more or less. It is an invention to publishers to raise the perceived status of their journals but it all depends on the "peers" who are unpaid, busy with their own work and are motivated not to piss off peers that might block their own papers.
      To see how bad peer review can get look for the greivence studies affair. Admittedly not science but illustrative of the problems with peer review.
      Before peer review there was adversarial review where competing scientific minds would tear at each other's theories, but that functioned in a very different system where scientists were fighting for glory rather than grants for their institutions.

    • @chrisumbel3132
      @chrisumbel3132 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      So, I'm not a scientist or a scientist. Heck, I spent the first 44 years of my life without a bachelor's degree. It was while I was wrapping up my undergrad that a psychology professor covered a thing or two about spotting not only bad study design, but also fraudulent study design. What alarmed me was the sheer quantities of examples she could cite.
      Naive me just assumed that peer review worked, but if that professor and the TH-cams-these-days are correct, it's absolutely broken. It must be done cheaply, if at all.
      I do think you're raising the right point. Peer review is supposed to be a knowledgeable, human safeguard. We have to be missing incentives to do it and do it well, no?

    • @kevc5532
      @kevc5532 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@chrisumbel3132 Peer review does somewhat work, but it has some significant issues. It is completely unpaid, which limits the time that people can justify spending on it for a start. For the issues in this video, peer review is often blinded, so they couldn't look up to see if the author is publishing a suspicious amount, or consistently finding surprising results. Any individual can also only expect to find so much- if the data is faked but the interpretation of that faked data is consistent then the peer reviewer may not be in a good position to raise much of an issue

    • @wintermute5974
      @wintermute5974 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Peer review is just getting somebody else to look over some work, tell the editor if it's worth publishing and maybe make some suggestions to the authors. Detecting fraud is outside what it's meant to do and very few peer reviewers would be on the lookout for it. Even if they were on the lookout for it detecting likely data manipulation is generally going to be much more time consuming than can resonably be expected for what is basically volunteered time that actively takes away from their actual jobs. On top of all that you have to remember that a lot of fraud isn't going to be detectable based on the paper itself, if they're making up data you may need to actually look into their research process to discover this.

  • @atmamaonline
    @atmamaonline 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    The music is a tad loud at the start of the video, just fyi

  • @misterhat6395
    @misterhat6395 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    In the process of submitting a manuscript and yes, you simply have to declare that you have no conflict of interest. Basically you pinky promise.

  • @sandyacombs
    @sandyacombs 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    Pete, you should do a statistical analysis on all types of scientific fraud to establish a general understanding on the extent and magnitude of this problem.

    • @DrJTPhysio
      @DrJTPhysio 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      That is a massive undertaking for one person

    • @Aro9313
      @Aro9313 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@DrJTPhysio shoot I'll help if he shows me what to do lol

    • @crimfan
      @crimfan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      That would be something that would require a pretty massive research grant to do and would be field-specific as he said, but I think the basic signals are there: Unbelievable sustained publication rate is, in my view, the sine qua non. Unfortunately, universities and granting agencies really do like their rock stars, not us more ordinary working faculty who are the ones who make the university run and publish at a more reasonable rate. Some years we have a lot of articles (my best year had 7 articles) and other years are more down years (uh... 0, or 1).

    • @ColdHawk
      @ColdHawk 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@DrJTPhysio - start with a pilot study. Sample of N papers selected at random from all published original studies within X field (or from c search term), with primary authors university faculty, between Jan. Xxxx and dec. Xxxx
      Or
      N number of primary research papers selected from total pubs new pharmaceutical agents in 1989 versus 2024 that demonstrate conflict of interest as defined by yada yada

    • @DrJTPhysio
      @DrJTPhysio 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@ColdHawk there's a bit more to it, but I get where you're going. I'm working on a study that implements a similar research design. Doing this alone would be pure pain.

  • @manyaafonso
    @manyaafonso 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Not a red but orange flag is someone getting too many successful grant applications from fields other than their own, for example, AI to address some topic in the humanities.

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The wealthy always win. Always. 💪😎✌️ No exceptions. Facts don't matter. Science is for geeks. MONEY rules all.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's just fraud/embezzlement

  • @ColdHawk
    @ColdHawk 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Graphic distortions e.g. truncated axis on a graph but uninterrupted plot. Not fraudulent as much as deceptive

  • @banana9494
    @banana9494 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The way I catch them is by watching Pete judo's channel

  • @incorrectbeans
    @incorrectbeans 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Those are some great points to look out for and quite nice how easy it is to check for red flags.

  • @davidmitchell3881
    @davidmitchell3881 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Data availability. One paper i wanted to look at the data myself. It was apparently a PDF. However the data was protected by a password. I was able to copy the results by hand but this was a nasty trick

    • @DavidJBurbridge
      @DavidJBurbridge 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's funny when they say "Upon reasonable request," as if there is such a thing as a request to see data (personally identifying information notwithstanding) that isn't reasonable.

  • @MFMegaZeroX7
    @MFMegaZeroX7 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The number really depends a lot on authorship level, field, and subfield. For example, Erik Demaine, who is in my field, and overlapping with some subfields of mine, publishes around 20 papers a year, and is well respected. Since it is CS theory (AKA, math stuff), there is no data to be faked, and I haven't ready any flawed proofs of his. But certainly, the more papers that is published by someone, the more I'm suspicious. For social sciences and physical sciences, I would be very suspicious of even matching Erik's publication rate.

  • @diegomardones6651
    @diegomardones6651 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The solution is to make it irrelevant to have large numbers of papers. Use a logarithmic metric, with a maximum at --say-- log(12 papers/year) and decreasing for larger number pf papers per year down to zero if you publish --say-- 24 papers or more per year. Actually I think the numbers should be closer to half of those above.

  • @epeduardo
    @epeduardo 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you Pete.

  • @theondono
    @theondono 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The question depends not only on field but on what “publication” is.
    There’s a “tradition” of putting as authors people who have contributed to the paper, so if you built some machine that say 30 grad students are using, and they each publish 2 papers, it wouldn’t be rare to have 60 publications without you having to do pretty much anything.
    I hate how academics trade and game publications, but I wouldn’t jump to conclusions based solely on the number of publications.

  • @charlesmanning3454
    @charlesmanning3454 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think the number one way to catch bad science ought be replication.
    Requiring independent replication of results will be a much more reliable way of finding bad science and bad scientist than counting publications, auditing for conflicts of interest or investigating images. Theories built on bad data will not stand up under replication regardless or whether the data were fraudulently made up, the result of unintentional methodical problems or bad luck.

  • @ralphlorenz4260
    @ralphlorenz4260 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I publish dozen or more papers a year, though only a few are first/sole author. In planetary science we often work in broad flat teams of individual 'independent' scientists associated with space missions (without the more feudal lab head/minion hierarchy associated with a lab). The mission data are contractually obliged to be publicly available.

  • @aerloman
    @aerloman 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    About people with an impossible number of publications: what is pretty common is for an influential academic (typically a prof) to be systematically named as a co-author by his faithful graduate students (and other junior academics); the influential academic boosts his h-index, while the lowly graduate students and junior academics increase their odds of being published, being awarded grants, progressing in their career, etc. wink wink nod nod, it's practically a right of passage at this point.

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yup. Rich gotta rich. It has *nothing* to do with logic, data, science, legitimate analyses, etc.

    • @wintermute5974
      @wintermute5974 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Indeed. This is a problem with incentive structure of academia.

  • @NamatronNi
    @NamatronNi 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The first thing that should be done is to pay reviewers for their time and have a grading system for reviewers. Reviewers are incentivied to spend as little time as possible on reviewing a paper. Reviewing time should be mandated on an institutional level and paid for by the cost to publish fee by the for-profit publishing industry. Yes, this may lead to higher cost of publishing and slower publishing, but also fewer fraud cases and less retraction rate of papers.

  • @danielschein6845
    @danielschein6845 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Regarding the scientists publishing a ridiculously high number of papers. Is that really a sign of fraud or does it just mean that the scientist is running a huge lab and all the junior researchers are putting his name on their work?

    • @l.w.paradis2108
      @l.w.paradis2108 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That would be a possible sign of overreaching. What could be his contribution? Some of these "authors" never read the paper.

    • @AndrewJacksonSE
      @AndrewJacksonSE 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Even with a big group, 200 papers is way out of reasonable. There is no way that person has seriously contributed to those papers. I’d be surprised if they had even read them all.

    • @danielschein6845
      @danielschein6845 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@AndrewJacksonSE True - But signing your name on to a paper you haven’t even read is a very different issue from research fraud.

    • @AndrewJacksonSE
      @AndrewJacksonSE 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@danielschein6845 indeed, but seems to be conflated in a lot of comments on this type of video. Also, it inflates the risk of errors or fraud by the main author or contributor not getting spotted.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Except that is also fraud since it isn't their work

  • @npc239
    @npc239 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video like always, thanks!
    I wonder, though, if you could also look into the darker fallacies of science? The ones that are done more on an unconscious level. The obvious examples are (and I think you already touched upon those in past videos):
    - Statistical correction for multiple testing. In biology, p>0.05 is widely accepted as "significant", after Bonferroni (etc.) correction for multiple testing. All that means that, on average, 1 in 20 studies will yield a "significant" result. Well, in certain fields, hundreds of papers are published every year - so we end up with all the false positives, while the negative results are much less likely to see the eye of the reader.
    - Statistics in general (I won't go into cohorts here, that's a topic all by itself). Statistics is based on a random distribution, whatever that distribution might be. Especially biologists, who are not experts in statistics, working with statisticians, who are not experts in biology, can easily produce way to optimistic p-values, without being aware. In my experience, reviewers only rarely catch that, because they are either biologists or statisticians.
    - Reproducibility. This is particularly apparent in GWAS studies, only a tiny fraction can ever be reproduced by anyone else, and even if, never exactly. Yet, the claims of GWAS ("you have a 14% higher chance of getting this or that disease if...") are often widely reported by the media, hence the incentive to do these studies. Even if the statistics used is sound, this comes down to case vs. control selection, sampling bias, etc., which invalidates the underlying assumptions. I think there is a need to also publish negative results wrt reproducibility, as well as positive ones. Because the proof is ultimately in the pudding.
    All in all, yes, there are the obvious bad apples in the scientific community, the ones who willfully falsify results. I think these are in the minority though, and that most false results are published out of (tolerated) ignorance.

  • @crimfan
    @crimfan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Very good discussion.
    I think point 5 can be a problem in some areas of research, where privacy requirements pull against data sharing. For example, getting permission to release data from actual patients or minors can be quite onerous.
    That said, bad faith researchers can and do make use of these requirements as a shield. One of the worst examples I've encountered in my professional existence---won't name names but I'm talking B grade horrid, not A grade like the ones that have been getting outed to substantial publicity, such as that real peach Francesca Gino---loved to hide behind the IRB. In my time working with that team, I didn't see any data made up, but I did see quite a lot of really shady data practices.

    • @user-vb3ly7ib4r
      @user-vb3ly7ib4r 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You should name them or at least the practices

    • @crimfan
      @crimfan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@user-vb3ly7ib4r I'm not naming names on TH-cam, but I filed complaints to the relevant authorities, including the grant agency.
      As to the practices, basically the PI would state that data would not be released due to FERPA (educational data privacy law) but then was perfectly happy to do things that pretty clearly violated FERPA, such as give out datasets to people on the team who had no business having things like participant names. Simply put, she didn't want to have anyone else seeing the data. I wasn't convinced she understood the difference between research and data analysis done for course improvement, quite honestly. She's one of those people who's charismatic and clever, not actually smart.

    • @user-vb3ly7ib4r
      @user-vb3ly7ib4r 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@crimfan send the deets to Judo my man

  • @AthosRac
    @AthosRac 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Great topic, thanks

  • @mathiasgrenacs3680
    @mathiasgrenacs3680 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The french Didier Raoult fills all the boxes.

  • @sphakamisozondi
    @sphakamisozondi วันที่ผ่านมา

    200 papers a year?!!! That's beyond suspicious

  • @abrown6539
    @abrown6539 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent video.

  • @briant7265
    @briant7265 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I effectively spent a year on my MS thesis. Under other circumstances, I could maybe have broken it into 3 or 4 papers, max.

  • @euchale
    @euchale 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Regarding the "10 Papers a year" thing. The reason why I am stating this, is because I assume to be an author you need to at least have "read" and "understood" it. Both of these need time. if you are publishing a paper a day, when are you actually doing the data generation part?

  • @passerby4507
    @passerby4507 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ultimately, it's up to scientists to conduct replication studies to check each other. The system isn't incentivizing replication remotely enough.

  • @crazyrobots845
    @crazyrobots845 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There is a problem in scientific culture. Many treat science merely as a career or a game, where getting ahead is much more important than the often directly competing concern to do good work that will stand the test of time. Publishing is just a box to check. At the fringes of this are the frauds but in the middle is occupied by people who forget the actual purpose of doing science.

  • @oscarys
    @oscarys 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Beware of generalizations ..... "data available upon request" or "data available at http...." in many cases is a move in the good direction you state (and which I support) and the only means of telling your potential readers that you're willing to share your data.

    • @TheThreatenedSwan
      @TheThreatenedSwan วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's a good generalization because the data is not available

  • @tatianaalinatrifan
    @tatianaalinatrifan 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Single authorship on all or most papers someone publishes is another red flag.
    Another eye should be kept on journal editors, as they can help their buddies publish their research before someone else via simply rejecting a paper that tested that hypothesis first. Also, journal editors who gatekeep new directions in the field as a favour to their buddies is a form of scientific misconduct.
    As someone else pointed out, a search of how many harassment complaints are against a researcher is an indication that they have also gotten engaged in scientific misconduct.

  • @sp_1212_abc
    @sp_1212_abc 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this is a great video, everyone needs to watch this!! thank you for consistently sharing valuable information through your videos.

  • @gmonkman
    @gmonkman 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Do you "first author"? I find it very surprising you didn't specify this. Last authors, for example, are typically lab/science area heads who will appear on every paper authored by their team.

  • @sethtrey
    @sethtrey 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Do you consider results that are very socially popular as falling in the "conflicts of interest" category? Maybe affecting the works of the likes of Roland Fryer and others who research such touchy topics?

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If a pseudo-scientist hits on results which the general public WANT to see as being valid and true, you can bet that the P-hacking will commence, baby! 💪😎✌️ There's HUUUGE money in telling billions of people what they already hoped was "true". 😂

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If the results support existing political rhetoric then it's fraud. I find this when reading history all the time, no further study necessary: Fraud.

  • @omarbahrour
    @omarbahrour 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "right to jail" hahahahaha, great video

  • @RemotHuman
    @RemotHuman 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you should cover what the scientific community is proposing doing about this (fake data, but also p-hacking, replicability, publication bias etc), i think its a known problem to many scientists
    also the history of how and reasons why we got such ridiculous seeming systems like not having to publish the data along side your paper

  • @WilhelmPendragon
    @WilhelmPendragon 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How do you get the scientific community and journals change their baseline practices? Is there a committee/professional organization that defines these?

  • @vickiesims1600
    @vickiesims1600 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Keep up the good work.

  • @halneufmille
    @halneufmille 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    7:40 I think this is unfair. Sometimes the dataset is just very large to host online. Sometimes the data is confidential. As for the codes, the ideal is indeed to release them. From experience though, well-documented working code that reproduce all the results with graphs is sometimes almost as much work as writing the manuscript itself. But most of the time when I wrote to an authors for their codes, they were kind enough to share them with me.

  • @mjdally82
    @mjdally82 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What is the point of academic journals if they don’t already do all of this??!! All this time, effort and resources that could be used to do ACTUAL RESEARCH but has to be wasted on this - not to mention all the funding that they take from honest academics!! For just the autism article ALONE The Lancet and everyone involved should go “straight to jail!” 😡

  • @theresegalenkatttant
    @theresegalenkatttant 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    can you please make a video on how to spot ai generated text in papers? My professors are saying "it's so obvious by the way ut is formated" but i can't really see it. Can you please share your thoughts on how to spot it?

  • @chorean
    @chorean 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No idea how you can not publish the data set but somehow your findings are 'peer reviewed'

  • @tanya292
    @tanya292 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Maybe they can sign an honesty pledge at the top of the submission process. I have heard it makes people be more honest 😂

  • @Nah_Bohdi
    @Nah_Bohdi วันที่ผ่านมา

    I....publish at the rate of 200 per year, but I take days off, sometimes weeks.

  • @l.w.paradis2108
    @l.w.paradis2108 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would think one significant paper per year as lead author, or several related ones as lead author, is the maximum.

  • @MimouFirst
    @MimouFirst 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good video idea!

  • @UnKnown-xs7jt
    @UnKnown-xs7jt 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    How are people Who watch your TH-cam video justified or educated enough to determine how many publications per year are too many?
    If one person publishes 10 papers in one year and then Publishers only one paper for the next two years how can and essentially uneducated populous, decide that this person has committed fraud?
    Initially your channel was wonderful and brought about many feelings of the system.
    Since that time it appears that you have become extremely enamored by yourself and are putting out information that is Clickbait and dubious at best..

  • @jaykay9122
    @jaykay9122 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I don't agree with you on the Data Availability Statement (below a suggestion). Data in biochemistry etc is typically very simple, there it can be standard practice. However, often the raw data impossible to handle, if you're not an expert in the field - typically there are maybe 100-1000 true experts in each specific subfield.
    Therefore, first, randomly upload data for the community won't really benefit anyone. The chance ppl will wrongly treat the data out of missing expertise is just really high. Second, making everything available we will just feed AI to know better, how to make raw data, which then will be used by asshole scientists to create fake raw data and deposit it.
    Therefore, another suggestion:
    First, here over in Germany, the German Research Foundation requires universities to store ALL data. If you don't do that, you won't get funding.
    Second, nowadays every journal provides paper statistics. Just add one for "Requests / Data shared / Not shared". Thats even better because honest scientist (who the majority) love it if somebody shows interest AND uses their data and has to cite them!
    In this way data is available, support is provided by the authors, the community communicate, and we will easily spot assholes.

  • @simianbarcode3011
    @simianbarcode3011 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I recommend a future video dive into Avi Loeb, because he publishes waaay too much to not be suspicious

  • @rushyn-star3945
    @rushyn-star3945 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I woud not say that "data available upon request" qualifies automatically as a lie. My university demands by contract that our data and code is uploaded onto a university server (its their property not mine). If I would not respond to other scientists asking for the data, they could ask the university which hands it out to ensure reproducibility of the results. I hope more universities start implementing such standards. Of course this does not help if the data itself is subject to misconduct.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Given most peer to peer emails get sent to spam folders, this is the same as not providing the data

    • @rushyn-star3945
      @rushyn-star3945 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@samsonsoturian6013 I get constantly e-mails from other scientists. I never experienced this issue. Notice also that you can contact the university or department directly if I do not respond. I mean what is the claim here, that emails dont work?

  • @samsonsoturian6013
    @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Historian here: We don't have an incentive to publish surprising results. For instance, one submission I sent was rejected unread because I refused to say that a particular battle was part of a wider conflict between "white men" against "indigenous peoples" because it was simply not so (the battle was between US cavalrymen and unidentified Indians in Mexican service).

    • @fromabove422
      @fromabove422 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What's the difference?

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@fromabove422 vhut? These Indians weren't involved in any other conflicts we're aware of and they didn't like me saying that.

    • @fromabove422
      @fromabove422 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@samsonsoturian6013I guess context matters

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@fromabove422the context is these were unidentified Indians in Mexican service stealing cattle from Federals

  • @etesianSealine
    @etesianSealine 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    These are all reasonable ideas to catch basic frauds. We should remember though that this is an adversarial system and fraudsters will get better at beating basic automated checks, so we'll really need to go deeper over time and maybe even change the way science is done if we really want to root out fraud.

  • @kwastek
    @kwastek 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    You must do a video on Fauci, if you haven't already.

  • @FatFrankie42
    @FatFrankie42 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    *_comment for the algorithm gods_*
    ~ Thanks! Winston Salem, NC

    • @robertharper3754
      @robertharper3754 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Oh wow, glad to see someone else in this town have critical thinking skills! It becomes more rare each year here!

    • @FatFrankie42
      @FatFrankie42 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@robertharper3754 It's a sad fact of reality here in W-S, with many unfortunate down-&-upstream effects. Thanks for the neighborly show of solidarity; your reply gave me a much-needed boost of optimism in these otherwise dark & unpleasant times!! Perhaps W-S isn't an entirely blasted toxic wasteland, after all!🤷‍♂️ 😁💞✌️

  • @konan4heather
    @konan4heather 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We're all way too careful. Don't be afraid to hurt feelings of 0.1% if the upside is removing the filth of bad research. We just need to require more evidence from suspicious actors. >10 papers a year? You must supply all of the raw data, with very specific requirements for details. I think the requirement should be "An external non-field related person should be able to deduce the details of the experiment: how the participants were contacted, what they were given at what time. If this was a mechanical/chemical experiment, there has to be equipment specs, settings details." So that replication is no longer a guesswork, and there aren't "obvious" things that field-related scientist like to omit. For instance I know every detail Maxdiff study. I may just say RLH was X and expect the reader to understand. Such expectations should no longer be allowed. Specify the formula, and how you obtained it. Was it individual scores, aggregate scores, etc

  • @Boahemaa
    @Boahemaa 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Data should be made available to readers definitely because how else will we verify results? 200 papers a year by 22 academics is crazy. Must be AI generated.

  • @jaymoore332
    @jaymoore332 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Butterfly net. Works every time.

  • @eprofengr6670
    @eprofengr6670 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good topics to do a deep dive and do more exposure to how there are very questionable so called experts.

  • @MohamedAli-ko8gc
    @MohamedAli-ko8gc 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can you elaborate more on the level of data manipulation effecting university ratings ?

  • @fluffymcdeath
    @fluffymcdeath 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm aware of Wakefield's conflict of interest and the problems with his work but I am perpetually amused by all the bleating labeling him AntiVax when he was actually trying to hawk a competing vaccine all along.

  • @jeskaaable
    @jeskaaable 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a p-value of 1 guys, using Francesca Gino's data, how excellent !
    I would also add that if the study is from Harvard, then it's doctored.

  • @Loreweavver
    @Loreweavver 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do they refer to themselves as a scientist? Bonus points if additional modifiers such as 'behavioral' 'political' 'social' etc.

  • @Nikkifrenchbulldog
    @Nikkifrenchbulldog 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If movies have taught me anything, it’s that you should automatically distrust male scientists with long hair.

  • @antongromek4180
    @antongromek4180 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    DP!

  • @xiaomingbai
    @xiaomingbai 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Feynmann could consistently publish surprising results...

  • @markolson4660
    @markolson4660 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think the rise of AI tools is going to make faking a paper much, much easier. Your list is a very good start, but, ultimately -- in about five years! -- I think most work, especially by limited groups, will need to be independently validated to be trustworthy. (And that will require serious funding.) That sounds like a huge waste, but I wonder if it will cost more than the hidden costs that we're already suffering from junk science leading researchers astray. (And let's not talk about the huge societal costs of faulty public programs based on bogus research!)

  • @l.w.paradis2108
    @l.w.paradis2108 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I just finished reading another Carl Elliott book, his latest: The Occasional Human Sacrifice. Fraud isn't the half of it.
    Look into studies with many deaths.

    • @GetOffUrPhone
      @GetOffUrPhone 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Brooo don't leave us hanging on that ominous note. People be hiring hitmen off the dark web to off academic researchers or what

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You mean where people may or may not have died due an experiment? Probably doesn't happen much, even frauds feel bad when people get hurt

  • @lukabostick4245
    @lukabostick4245 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    On it

  • @theviolator818
    @theviolator818 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Whoever works for the CDC..

  • @mancroft
    @mancroft 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What is your opinion of EVs? Fraud or over-hyped?

  • @necrodrucifver
    @necrodrucifver 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Like Dr Nefaurios or Like Climate Change Scientiest?

  • @felinfoel1156
    @felinfoel1156 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The problem is that with the recent climate, if you dispute anything - whether it be conflict of interest, rate of publication, or any of the five ways you described, you'd be labelled anti-science, conspiracy-theorist, right-wing (as if science were exclusive to one political affiliation), etc. And if you speak with a scientist about it, the first thing they do is ask for your credentials as if it's the degree that enables someone to use critical thought and discern bad science.

  • @pthhhhht
    @pthhhhht 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    (1:42)
    ..."they" aren't writing shit😂 ....there are plenty of sites out there that have freelance writers, editors, artists, proofreaders and the whole publication market for hire...potentials put their experience and rates up for grabs and do the writing or whatever is needed without question....follow the scientist's names to these sites and I promise you'll end up with a Bingo! or three....
    ...as per the end question, the answer varies from a real net to a sting operation and subpoena....

  • @Novastar.SaberCombat
    @Novastar.SaberCombat 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    P-Hacking.

  • @TriLuzid
    @TriLuzid 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great Summery :)

  • @kylebowles9820
    @kylebowles9820 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro wtf they're trying to kill your video, it's buffering every few seconds on 480p for no reason

  • @ewkerman4185
    @ewkerman4185 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    3:00 Note that Wakefield's critics also were paid for by people that owned vac patents. UC Davis was give labs and tons of money. The biggest criticism was that he used a small sample size. That is what they do to! Thats what everyone starts with and then goes to larges size.

    • @canesugar911
      @canesugar911 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Sample size was not the biggest criticism.

  • @currawong2011
    @currawong2011 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Viewing your presentations creates in me a desire more and more fraud to be committed so that you have ever more content to present..but then there is already more fraud than you can cover.

  • @press2701
    @press2701 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Issue #1, publication rate. I suspect you're forgetting that junior scientists (grad students) publish a paper, it takes a year or more, but our supervisor(s) automatically get attached to the paper. Automatic. So, if a prof has 10 students, he/she easily has 10 per year papers, without doing any hands-on personal work themselves, with e.g., other colleagues. (Same with patents). Names are attached out of respect, and obedience. Not my place as grad student if dept head wants his/her name on my paper to say "why".
    So, the 'big shots' of academia get bigger because clout-buys-clout, just like money-begets-money. Those who actually do the creative work, well, we get a PhD degree. Not a bad trade, maybe.

    • @daveo2797
      @daveo2797 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      That may be standard practice but that is just another example of academic corruption and historical fraud. No one should be on a paper who did not significantly contribute to it. Providing the resources is not a reason to be an author. Should the funding agencies be cited as authors too? Funding and resources should be cited as a thank-you notice.

    • @AndrewJacksonSE
      @AndrewJacksonSE 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The point of the senior author role is that they set the initial plan for the research (by writing the grant), and should be checking the work that the others have done. The vast majority of PIs *are* involved in planning experiments, discussing results, advising the postdocs and students on analysis etc.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      But that is also a form of fraud since prof's name is attached to work they didn't do

    • @DavidJBurbridge
      @DavidJBurbridge 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      >names are attached out of respect and obedience
      Ah, so fraudulent misrepresentation of the authorship roles. Got it.

    • @AndrewJacksonSE
      @AndrewJacksonSE 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@samsonsoturian6013 not at all. That is a fundamental misunderstanding of the scientific research process. Almost all science is collaborative, and PhD and Postdoc positions are fundamentally education and training to become an independent researcher. The PI / senior author is there to lead the research - this is a key contribution, directing the work of the group and giving key intellectual input to the research activities. There are many research group leaders who do lab work/classical research activities, but If PIs had to be in the lab doing all the work, there would be no time to support students and postdocs, write grant applications, and engage in collaborations. Modern science would fall apart.
      These days many journals require a contribution statement, which explicitly says what each author contributed to.

  • @garyc1384
    @garyc1384 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Really annoying background music (too loud) places this vid firmly in the TLDR category. (Too Long, Didn't Watch, so TLDW)

  • @billscott1601
    @billscott1601 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I’m sure this applies to Global Warming.

    • @ujubin
      @ujubin 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      i heard that actually, global warming is more serious than previous papers say because they adjusted something related to the clouds? a physics woman talked about it on youtube

    • @fastestdraw
      @fastestdraw 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ujubin For clarity, there were two models of the atmosphere, predicting weather. One was based on historic trends, sediment deposition and ice samples, and one based on modern weather measurements for weather forcasts- the weather forecast people had to update their models to get accurate results because they weren't getting the same patterns over the last 20 years.
      The people using the modern measurments ran the historic data and got a 'this can't be right' high number for global temprature average, eventually it was figured out that the effects of some clouds was different - we've been getting more of them than historic trends indicated due to things like unintentional cloud seeding with aircraft, as well as miscalculating how reflective those clouds were, and the 'oh shit' global warming numbers were accepted as being accurate after a lot of people looked at the data.
      A lot of the climate scientists I've been following have been sounding more and more like survivalists. Not like 'humanity is doomed' bad, but 'we're gonna have a bunch of wars over water supply' bad. We still have the tools to stop climate change, its just gonna be a lot messier using them.

    • @kablamo9999
      @kablamo9999 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Except the data comes from many different sources. The evidence is overwhelming, and as much as you don't want it to be true, it doesn't seem to change the more they look into it.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There's certainly a lot of bad science, but all broad judgments is just political bullshit

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@kablamo9999that means nothing

  • @davidmurphy563
    @davidmurphy563 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    On your image manipulation section you bring up Elizabeth Bic's work in the context of fraud. I haven't watched your previous videos and you have the impression that she was someone who had committed image manipulation. Only later so you make clear that she's exposing fraudulent use of images by others.
    You need to be more careful and not assume everyone watching your videos has seen previous videos and make it clearer who is committing the fraud and who is exposing it.

  • @thegroove2000
    @thegroove2000 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Covid?

  • @nickjohnson410
    @nickjohnson410 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How do you know if a scientists is a liar?
    They are published.