Yeah he does you gotta get ready to make the catch if that spot goes down, but literally all standing there arms up in the air like the guy is ready to go crowd surfing looks really dumb.
Good luck getting AEW to listen. if it isn't a spot fest of choreographed gymnastics and doing ten running knees in a row without selling...it ain't AEW.
@Ziyan’s Power well no offense dude and I'm sorry for saying things to you but atleast movies accept they're fake but wrestlers don't do it and the sword is too goofy and not in a good way
Foley criticizes everything nowadays so no surprise. Secondly it’s not the attitude era no more so the Chair and kendo stick is all we got when we get “extreme”
He was 100% right. It's the most obviously choreographed thing and it makes completely devoid of excitement. When you see everyone bunch together like that, you know someone will be jumping in.
@@HonkeyKongLive bro… it’s 2021 and we talkin about WRESTLING. It’s ALL obviously choreographed… when a guy drops down after shooting someone off the ropes you know what’s gonna happen… in fact, shooting someone off the ropes is way less believable than anything else in wrestling lmaooo…. It’s 2021 … like if you can’t wrap your head around the fact everyone has wrapped their head around what wrestling is then you’re either an idjit or Jim Cornette.
Agreed. It's not a bad spot at all, but when we see it nearly every week or see it more than once during a show, it loses the wow factor and becomes just another transitional spot that joins former finishers as just another part of the move set.
Foley criticized Sasha Banks for doing a dive to the outside where she came close to landing on her head. When Foley tells you a move is too dangerous...
Yeah foley doesn‘t care about his own body but about others he does so i actually understand him, he really did all his sick stuff just for our entertaining imo he deserves the most respect
I actually thought the springboard stunner looked good from cena, really athletic given his size, he even did hurricanranas etc, he‘s insane, and yea stone cold only said he didn‘t like it bc it didn‘t finish the match and i agree with him on that
While not exactly pissed off, Jim Cornette implored Mick Foley to never take another bump like the one against the Taker at Hell in a Cell. And Nash was certainly correct that the bump basically ruined other bumps forever.
I always hate to say these words. But "Jim Cornette is right." A move is nothing if you don't sell it. One of my big issues when I watched AEW in the beginning (I think it was a Young Bucks match) was the progression of impact move to impact move without any time taken to sell the moves. And you can make an argument that Foley started it with taking a move worse than any ever given to anyone in the continental United States of America**... and continuing the match. Then _accidentally_ taking a worse one that didn't look as strong to the naked eye, but was still obviously bad... and continuing the match. Then getting put away with two moves that definitely didn't match up to those two... then coming back out for the Main Event. It could've killed any and all injury storylines for all time, having someone that REALLY injured keep going... though they did manage to mainly get Mick over as the legitimate toughest man in all of wrestling instead. ** Okay, I just thought of some scaffold matches, especially in the extreme places in the country, which could get away with being called more extreme than the Cell table bump. They weren't exactly well known to the mainstream though.
@Bro Dawg Reading comprehension is a problem for you, apparently. It became a stunt show instead of a performance: It ruined bumps because they had to keep being bigger and more dangerous.
@@cypher515 Good comment. However, as someone who hated AEW for the reasons you outline, I have to give them credit for the last month or so of events. Good to Great matches, much less choreographed no-sell nonsense, and good stories. If you aren't watching, now is the time to give it a run.
I find it hilarious how people think they come up with moves, and somehow have it trademarked, prohibiting other people from using it. Assuming it's disrespectful is jumping to conclusions as well. Also, JR is speaking sense again, and Batista deserves props.
There are tons of examples where moves are "off limits" to protect the allure of them. Why else are we to belive this move, that everyone does, is particularly more powerful?
Agree with J.R. about the dive. It's used way too much and there's nothing impressive about it. It always looks dumb and staged. Even more staged than WWE matches usually look these days.
I mean, I accept the spot if it's earned. Such as in a tag or 6-man tag where one team sets it up. But in most cases, people just gather around and wait for the high flyer.
Suicide dives were once special moves that were only busted out when the wrestlers had nothing left to lose and r willing to put their own bodies on the line for it...that's y it's called a "SUICIDE" dive...and doing it every single week on weekly television is just diluting the whole idea and concept of the move
@@Rjensen2 Yup it was Johnny ace that invented that move, just like it was mickey whipreck who came up with the stunner (sort of lol) and Scott Steiner first hit the 450 splash (young Steiner was a freak).
That I quit match from the 1999 Royal Rumble is truly ghastly to watch. The level of violence was arguably more obscene than the HIAC match at KOTR 1998. It's literally miraculous that Foley still has his faculties.
I feel like John was probably more annoyed about the degradation of the Burning Hammer, since he is a fan of Kenta Kobashi, and Kobashi put so much work into protecting the Burning Hammer. Honestly, it's a move few people should use, and it should never be kicked out of if it is successfully executed.
to me if anyone could pull off kicking out of the Burning Hammer, I would personally say it's Kota Ibushi. but it should be clear IF you do said move, Ibushi should be OUT ON HIS FEET. To explain, Ibushi in NJPW kicked out of the three BomaYes (Kinshasas) but the way it was sold, it was clear it was purely reflex, Ibushi was dead on his feet and was put away with one more. If ANYTHING, IF you're kicking out of that kind of insane move, that's how. Like even if Kendrick just Cena Punched him for the three I'd buy it. Then again... this is WWE so I'm asking too much.
@@immersion726 finishers should be protected. If not, then More wrestlers should kick out of finishers like ibushi sold the 3 bumayes. They gotta sell it like they just came back from dying at least for 10 seconds.
@@thewarmestgarbage6007 100% yes. Like Ibushi made it clear he was straight up out on his feet. Like it should be a straight up kick out, they're on their feet then BANG. They're not even moving, eyes glassed over and even a fingerpoke could finish them
I'm completely and totally in JR's camp when it comes to how ridiculous #9 is - it's cringey as hell every time it happens. This is doubly true because the majority of the time the people waiting outside are only doing just that - waiting. They're not feigning injury or being distracted by something else which would necessitate them being outside for so long to begin with; they're all just standing around leaning on each other and literally waiting to catch someone.
I get pissed off every time someone uses my move too. In case you're wondering mine is the the lock up, used at the beginning of every match. Ignore those that came before me, and be very thankful that you have me.
I both agree and disagree with JR about the dive spot. They are good over all, but they are done basically every match which makes them not very interesting anymore.
Yes ik foley wasn‘t ever the best inring (even tho he wasn‘t bad either) but all the sick bumps and things he did was all just for our entertainment, imo he deserves the most respect.
I agree with JR. Only time Iv'e seen a suicide dive be useful is during a tag match to prevent an opponent from breaking up a pin, irony being it's very rarely used in those situations when it's most suitable for them.
How about Kofi Kingston's cage match with Dolph Ziggler? Door is open, Dolph is crawling out while Kofi is clear across the ring, suddenly he dives out to hit the ground first. I thought that was really creative (and REALLY dangerous, especially as he clipped his foot on the middle rope in so doing).
I love the acrobatics and high flyers they're my favorite stars, heck the X-Division is the main reason I like IMPACT so much which is basically a high flyers division for anyone whether their 250 pounds or heavier, if they can fly or move at that level and that's what I love about it. However I agree with JR, I don't think the high flying moves are the issue in itself, it's how they're performed, they just wait their for the guy to dive, I get protecting the guy whose throwing caution to the wind, but most of the time when a bunch of people are outside together, they all just stand their together, there's gotta be a better way to protect them while at the same time making it look like they were caught by surprise. It only happens when one or two guys are outside, when it's just one guy outside, it looks fine in my opinion.
I think the whole thing between Orton and Kofi is probably 1 of the most well known , it even played out in the ring and then brought up years later in their recent feud I see Asuka coming back and dominating the RAW roster again sooner rather than later , with the stale boring Ripley/Flair feud ruining that division
He pretty much paved the way for cruiserweights in WWF, not that Vince would typically give any of them a huge push, but Waltman definitely helped move the bar.
He’s not a piñata! Delicious candy isn’t gonna explode out of him if you hit him with a chair enough times. Isn’t he the one who took the 18 foot drop off a cage? If so then he’s REALLY an authority of what is taking it too far
Ive heard different versions of why cena told reks to not use the burning hammer anymore. Reks' version is that cena felt threatened by any finished similar to his. Cena's version is that Reks botched it badly during a house show. I also believe it has something to do with the fact that burning hammer is an incredibly protected move in japan, and they didnt want some low/mid card wrestler with an uncertain future with the company using it. Should be noted that Reks' version had a slight DDT variation to it, which made it look more like an F5 than the AA. Not too long after this went down, Brock Lesnar made his wwe return at the raw after wrestlemania to start a program with cena. It wouldnt surprise me if at this time Cena already knew brock would be back soon, even if the rest of the locker room didnt
Honestly, JR, Batista, and Mick I all agree with. That spot has gone from being impressive to just feeling cliche, especially when it's set up in a very unnatural way; Asuka deserves so much more than what she's given and her being jobbed out is hugely disrespectful to what she is capable of doing; and 20 shots is going from brutal to just excessive, especially on a midcard feud.
To be fair, Drew's 20 chair shot were NOWHERE NEAR as hard to watch as The Rock's... Everyone watching Foley take those chair shots was cringing back in the day. Drew was delivering much softer shots and he was delivering them to the back. "It's okay to dive off of a 20ft tall cage and almost kill yourself to sell a match, but don't you dare take some chair shots to the back to make this fight seem more realistic". 😂
I think Mick's point wasn't so much "don't do that many chair shots" it was more "If you're going to do that much you need a DAMN good reason for it story wise. Don't just blast a guy 20 times and then go nowhere with it." But yeah, the Rock's shots were definitely much harder to watch. The swings were more brutal, they were headshots, and Foley was handcuffed so he couldn't even put his arms up. It's downright painful to watch.
I wonder if the Undertaker didn't want Nash doing sunset flips because then people would have expected Taker, similar in size to Nash, to do more in the ring than just adjust his gloves, do a flying clothesline, hit Old School, and end things with the Tombstone.
Yeah, what exactly is the problem with Nash doing a sunset flip? Is it that it's dangerous? Takes away from the mystique of the "big man"? I don't get it.
If this, that move is already taken bollocks keeps going, there will literally be no moves left and doing anything other than a punch will be stealing someone's move
Ikr...I always found the concept of owning a move to be just the stupidest...who cares if someone has the same move...in fact having the same moves can lead to interesting story telling...just look at Eddie Guerrero and RVD's fewd centered around who does the better frog splash
Most of these are just valid criticisms. If you have a move that's a "Finisher" and it's being used as a normal spot, it makes you look silly. The suicide dive is a silly spot (but looks really fun.) And Asuka as one of the most technically skilled wrestlers out there, is absolutely not being well used by the WWE.
The RKO is pretty distinct. Fast and explosive to the point that, " RKO from out of nowhere! Became a meme. No one was ever going to describe the Diamobd Cutter as sudden.
Both these guys are technically legends, and I wouldn't really call it being "pissed off," but there's Bret Hart's annoyance of how The Rock would "slap on" his version of the Sharp Shooter.
Nash would bounce around a lot when they wrestled the Steiner Brothers, it looked wild seeing that giant get tossed like a small guy 😂 props to him for doing it (like they give u a choice)
Cena’s finisher was originally the F-U (but is now the AA), a pun on Lesnar’s F-5 so Cena’s move was meant to look somewhat similar to the F-5 so that’s why he hasn’t said anything to Brock
I remember people got really pissed at Cutler over that tweet, but like... he didn't say whether he thought JR was right or wrong. He didn't criticize JR or anything. He just referenced what JR said in a joking manner. I don't know why people got so upset at Cutler.
I think its funny that the code breaker is basically the shatter machine. The RKO is a diamond cutter and the twist of fate is an RKO with a twist. I also love how they give the sleeper a fancy name like the coquina clutch. Shawn Michaels does sweet chin music and they are down. Everyone else does a super kick and it doesn't do shit. Jake the snake hits the DDT and its game over but everyone else does it and it doesn't do shit.
I agree with Vader and JR. I appreciate high flying and all that. But modern wrestling really does sometimes feel like it has 0 story, and is just big spots strung together to see which wrestler gets the most "this is awesome" chants. 🙄
Hopefully The Man Vs The empress of Tomorrow have a feud after she gave the title away. Imagine those matches, could easily be a wrestlemania main event
Cena is made petty for coming at reks for his finisher did he forget that his AA is literally a copy of lesnar f-5? Back in the early 2000s just changed it a bit.
Some balls on Jericho, to have made one of his finishers a Boston crab, and another the lionsault. One a move so common it was considered up there with the sleeper hold, another move he took (with or without permission doesn't matter here) and then to try to patent a move that he didn't even make. Edit: spelling
The original Lion Tamer was different from the Boston Crab. He stood upright and drove his knee into the opponent's back. Then he changed it because the Boston Crab is more versatile. But otherwise, yeah. Your point is a good one.
big fan of cena for about 15 yrs now but YEAH SA was absolutely right about that move being just SET UP in his arsenal. that and it did look a little messy more often than not too. but you gotta respect the earnest work Cena was putting in to get better even THAT deep into his career.
Funny thing about Angle and the ankle lock, Shamrock wasn't retired at all when Angle started doing that, he was TNA's inaugural champion mere months AFTER Angle stole that move. In fact, I'm almost certain I saw Angle slap that move on Shamrock in WWE when he first started doing it.
I 100 percent agree with Vader!!!! That’s literally the biggest issue with “wrestlers” today. They do a couple of flips and dives but don’t have a care in the world for their character, gimmick, and an investing story line. Me personally, I just can’t be invested in wrestlers like that.
@@z216ghost Cornette grew up in the era where turnbuckle catapult's and spinning toe holds were finishers. The most obvious staged finishers you could ever do.
Likewise. I had to actually pause the video because I wasn't clicking to the point, found the wiki article, and realised what I was hearing. Seriously quite impressed by the respect given.
I'm sorry, but the Riddle one is such a plotline thing it's fucking *hilarious* that y'all are trying to play that as Randy being angry. Y'all getting worked by fucking tweets is something else.
Pretty sure that's a good way to get the wrestlers you work with make you look like shit on purpose, and badmouth you to booking and ban you out of the locker room and who knows how much other hazing depending on the organization. Wrestling, as a business is like...at least 50% high school politics. It's not one where it pays to have enemies.
@@rustyshackleford2950 you have a really good point . I just don’t think it’s fair that some wrestlers are so damn sensitive and don’t let others wrestle the way they wish.
Cena: Don't do that move, it looks too much like mine!! "Oh, you mean that move Tommy Dreamer and Perry Saturn did?" Cena: I'm telling the boss on you.
Hat goes flying off to Batista, I get pissed every time Asuka is misused too. They really had something.
Yeah because it was bull, wish they let Asuka go ham like her "skull reaper" Kana days of old sometimes lol
Batista is awesome. I remember how pissed he was when WWE split up the Hurt Business. That was stupid on Vince's part and he knows it.
@@zeospark9715 cry more furry
@@Podgorski37 Lol alright random dumbass on the internet
@@zeospark9715 imagine liking your own comments 🤡
JR has a point. All he’s really saying is, make it make sense.
Yeah he does you gotta get ready to make the catch if that spot goes down, but literally all standing there arms up in the air like the guy is ready to go crowd surfing looks really dumb.
A much better idea would be to look like their going for the dive only to bodyslide from under the bottom rope to tackle them
Jr is right
Good luck getting AEW to listen. if it isn't a spot fest of choreographed gymnastics and doing ten running knees in a row without selling...it ain't AEW.
@@juicepouch1 QQ++
Mick Foley: Chairs are dangerous.
Drew: Good point! I'll use this sword instead!
And u know what the crazy part is? the sword kinda works
@@Notsbaby no it's goofy and childish ffs
🤣🤣🤣
@Ziyan’s Power lol funny wrestling is fake and nobody likes you
@Ziyan’s Power well no offense dude and I'm sorry for saying things to you but atleast movies accept they're fake but wrestlers don't do it and the sword is too goofy and not in a good way
If Mick Foley gives you advice on hitting ppl with chair shots you listen
Foley criticizes everything nowadays so no surprise. Secondly it’s not the attitude era no more so the Chair and kendo stick is all we got when we get “extreme”
Why so u can look like him? Lmao nah I'm good
No thanks he's a masochist who had a dream job
He's just an emasculated Twitter SJW like Batista. And this is coming from someone who's a fan of Foley and Batista.
@@Takerfan-nr5bk speak that truth good on ya..
Still under the belief that JR was not wrong about the “go to dive” spot.
It would be different if it didn't happen in almost every match and if you couldn't call the spot from a mile away
He was 100% right. It's the most obviously choreographed thing and it makes completely devoid of excitement. When you see everyone bunch together like that, you know someone will be jumping in.
- Jim Cornette
@@Hitomora punches and headlocks happen every single match and you see them coming from a mile away as well…. It’s wrestling bro…
@@HonkeyKongLive bro… it’s 2021 and we talkin about WRESTLING. It’s ALL obviously choreographed… when a guy drops down after shooting someone off the ropes you know what’s gonna happen… in fact, shooting someone off the ropes is way less believable than anything else in wrestling lmaooo…. It’s 2021 … like if you can’t wrap your head around the fact everyone has wrapped their head around what wrestling is then you’re either an idjit or Jim Cornette.
The amount of wrestlers mad at other wrestlers "stealing" their move, when said move was being done by others before said mad wrestler. 🤣
It's common courtesy to ask for permission.
Gotta agree with JR on this one. The suicide dive to the outside is way, WAY overused.
It's like the super kick, so many moves used to be big impact moves are now just as big as a slap.
Agreed. It's not a bad spot at all, but when we see it nearly every week or see it more than once during a show, it loses the wow factor and becomes just another transitional spot that joins former finishers as just another part of the move set.
i agree kinda. i love a good suicide dive but there is a difference between big e bulldozing through 1 person and the scenario jr describes 😅
@@jbj7599 so pretty much every young bucks match 🤣🤣🤣🤣 constant jumpstarts and countless kicks
@@jbj7599 young bucks ruined the superkick.
Regal spitting straight fire. Seriously, how did Jericho know about the Codebreaker? He _saw it_ in a match! He says so in his second book!
I remember Gregory Helms doing a version of it in WWE before Jericho used it
JR is right, that suicide dive is stupid and breaks illusion of the match.
Foley criticized Sasha Banks for doing a dive to the outside where she came close to landing on her head.
When Foley tells you a move is too dangerous...
Yeah foley doesn‘t care about his own body but about others he does so i actually understand him, he really did all his sick stuff just for our entertaining imo he deserves the most respect
Look how much it shortened he's career. I think he's just looking out for other's
That wasn't a criticism of Foley. It's to say how dangerous Sasha was being.
I actually thought the springboard stunner looked good from cena, really athletic given his size, he even did hurricanranas etc, he‘s insane, and yea stone cold only said he didn‘t like it bc it didn‘t finish the match and i agree with him on that
While not exactly pissed off, Jim Cornette implored Mick Foley to never take another bump like the one against the Taker at Hell in a Cell. And Nash was certainly correct that the bump basically ruined other bumps forever.
@Bro Dawg but because of mick Foley, the bumps have got bigger and more dangerous just to get that kind of reaction again...
I always hate to say these words. But "Jim Cornette is right." A move is nothing if you don't sell it. One of my big issues when I watched AEW in the beginning (I think it was a Young Bucks match) was the progression of impact move to impact move without any time taken to sell the moves. And you can make an argument that Foley started it with taking a move worse than any ever given to anyone in the continental United States of America**... and continuing the match. Then _accidentally_ taking a worse one that didn't look as strong to the naked eye, but was still obviously bad... and continuing the match. Then getting put away with two moves that definitely didn't match up to those two... then coming back out for the Main Event. It could've killed any and all injury storylines for all time, having someone that REALLY injured keep going... though they did manage to mainly get Mick over as the legitimate toughest man in all of wrestling instead.
** Okay, I just thought of some scaffold matches, especially in the extreme places in the country, which could get away with being called more extreme than the Cell table bump. They weren't exactly well known to the mainstream though.
@Bro Dawg Reading comprehension is a problem for you, apparently.
It became a stunt show instead of a performance:
It ruined bumps because they had to keep being bigger and more dangerous.
@@cypher515 Good comment. However, as someone who hated AEW for the reasons you outline, I have to give them credit for the last month or so of events. Good to Great matches, much less choreographed no-sell nonsense, and good stories. If you aren't watching, now is the time to give it a run.
That was Vince McMahon that told Foley not to do that kind of bump again
Jericho invented every move in the history of ever
He's the man of one thousand and four holds.
Jericho invented everything
Including the armbar
Dean Malenko was just about to publish his move set, Jericho attacked him and signed the book. Making him owner of all moves
ARMBAR!
I find it hilarious how people think they come up with moves, and somehow have it trademarked, prohibiting other people from using it. Assuming it's disrespectful is jumping to conclusions as well. Also, JR is speaking sense again, and Batista deserves props.
There are tons of examples where moves are "off limits" to protect the allure of them. Why else are we to belive this move, that everyone does, is particularly more powerful?
@@stevendycus9559 If they're off limits, they're off limits by the company, in which case performers know not to do them in risk of punishment.
Well you could be like Goldberg or Adrian Neville who made their moves so difficult to hit that no one wants to copy them 😂
Bunch of cry babies
I mean Taker has no ill will towards Kane. And he used all of Taker’s moves. Taker’s is pretty unique and memorable too so it’s more obvious I guess
That Randy/Riddle one was definitely story since he also ended up doing the Bro Derek.
Definitely a filler entry
Im pretty sure batista was also mad at the hurt business splitting up.
And Steph slapping wrestlers…
We all were
Kenny Omega: ***breathes***
Jim Cornette: 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Agree with J.R. about the dive. It's used way too much and there's nothing impressive about it. It always looks dumb and staged. Even more staged than WWE matches usually look these days.
Wrestling is dumb and staged
I mean, I accept the spot if it's earned. Such as in a tag or 6-man tag where one team sets it up. But in most cases, people just gather around and wait for the high flyer.
Suicide dives were once special moves that were only busted out when the wrestlers had nothing left to lose and r willing to put their own bodies on the line for it...that's y it's called a "SUICIDE" dive...and doing it every single week on weekly television is just diluting the whole idea and concept of the move
Orton says don't steal my move when literally DDP was doing the diamond cutter/rko years before him.
Johnny Ace was the one who innovated it, so the humor is twofold.
And guess who Randy Orton asked for permission and blessing to use the diamond cutter?
@@John-bj1zx like hell he did.
@@Rjensen2 Believe it or not, it's the facts.
@@Rjensen2 Yup it was Johnny ace that invented that move, just like it was mickey whipreck who came up with the stunner (sort of lol) and Scott Steiner first hit the 450 splash (young Steiner was a freak).
Correction WhatCulture, DeathValley Driver is not the Burning Hammer, Burning Hammer you land on ur shoulder/neck, not your stomach.
They said inverted ie reverse
You land on your head/neck on a Death Valled Driver as well.
I'm glad Kurt realized he didn't do the ankle lock
For once, I agree with Batista on this one.
I feel like for once, Batista agrees with everyone else.
Sorry, but Asuka is overrated and overbooked.
@@funtimefreddie9637 she’s 10x the wrestler Becky is.
@@simsingh8492 Nope.
@@simsingh8492 I totally agree
That I quit match from the 1999 Royal Rumble is truly ghastly to watch. The level of violence was arguably more obscene than the HIAC match at KOTR 1998. It's literally miraculous that Foley still has his faculties.
I feel like John was probably more annoyed about the degradation of the Burning Hammer, since he is a fan of Kenta Kobashi, and Kobashi put so much work into protecting the Burning Hammer.
Honestly, it's a move few people should use, and it should never be kicked out of if it is successfully executed.
John Cena is not a Wrestling Fan he's a body builder
to me if anyone could pull off kicking out of the Burning Hammer, I would personally say it's Kota Ibushi. but it should be clear IF you do said move, Ibushi should be OUT ON HIS FEET.
To explain, Ibushi in NJPW kicked out of the three BomaYes (Kinshasas) but the way it was sold, it was clear it was purely reflex, Ibushi was dead on his feet and was put away with one more. If ANYTHING, IF you're kicking out of that kind of insane move, that's how. Like even if Kendrick just Cena Punched him for the three I'd buy it.
Then again... this is WWE so I'm asking too much.
@@immersion726 finishers should be protected. If not, then More wrestlers should kick out of finishers like ibushi sold the 3 bumayes. They gotta sell it like they just came back from dying at least for 10 seconds.
@@thewarmestgarbage6007 100% yes. Like Ibushi made it clear he was straight up out on his feet. Like it should be a straight up kick out, they're on their feet then BANG. They're not even moving, eyes glassed over and even a fingerpoke could finish them
It wasn’t a Death Valley driver.
Honorable mention, Big Show chewing out Braun Strowman for selling a clothesline from Sami Zayn, bumping as if he was hit by someone his size.
Thank you for being respectful to Gabby. That's class.
I'm completely and totally in JR's camp when it comes to how ridiculous #9 is - it's cringey as hell every time it happens.
This is doubly true because the majority of the time the people waiting outside are only doing just that - waiting. They're not feigning injury or being distracted by something else which would necessitate them being outside for so long to begin with; they're all just standing around leaning on each other and literally waiting to catch someone.
I get pissed off every time someone uses my move too. In case you're wondering mine is the the lock up, used at the beginning of every match. Ignore those that came before me, and be very thankful that you have me.
Wasn’t the fu only made to be a parody of the f5?
Speaking of Wade. The wasteland seemed pretty close to the FU
If memory serves correctly yes
*he
When Jinder impales Drew with the broadsword, Mick will understand what the chair shots were for.
It does speak to Foley's character that his primary complaint against an individual wrestler is one of safety for his peers.
I both agree and disagree with JR about the dive spot. They are good over all, but they are done basically every match which makes them not very interesting anymore.
Yes ik foley wasn‘t ever the best inring (even tho he wasn‘t bad either) but all the sick bumps and things he did was all just for our entertainment, imo he deserves the most respect.
Pretty sure that randy criticizing Riddle was an in character move
Orton getting mad that someone “stole” his move is hilarious considering he stole it from DDP to start with lol 😂
Clueless
I agree with JR. Only time Iv'e seen a suicide dive be useful is during a tag match to prevent an opponent from breaking up a pin, irony being it's very rarely used in those situations when it's most suitable for them.
How about Kofi Kingston's cage match with Dolph Ziggler? Door is open, Dolph is crawling out while Kofi is clear across the ring, suddenly he dives out to hit the ground first. I thought that was really creative (and REALLY dangerous, especially as he clipped his foot on the middle rope in so doing).
Nash actually really wasn’t untalented, he was athletic af even tho he always tore his quads lol
A lot of big guys were, big show even used the moonsault as his finisher at one point
Why was undertaker mad that he used the sunset flip or whatever? I wasn't watching back then...
Sadly, Nash tore a quad reading this post
His quads weren’t talented
@@williamtoccijr9579 lmaoooo
Ok but Jim Ross was right about the dive spot.
Pretty ironic that Jericho would call out The Revival for “stealing” his move considering that he basically copied the Judas Effect from Andrade 😏
That move is also used by like 20 other people. It’s just a back elbow
I love the acrobatics and high flyers they're my favorite stars, heck the X-Division is the main reason I like IMPACT so much which is basically a high flyers division for anyone whether their 250 pounds or heavier, if they can fly or move at that level and that's what I love about it. However I agree with JR, I don't think the high flying moves are the issue in itself, it's how they're performed, they just wait their for the guy to dive, I get protecting the guy whose throwing caution to the wind, but most of the time when a bunch of people are outside together, they all just stand their together, there's gotta be a better way to protect them while at the same time making it look like they were caught by surprise. It only happens when one or two guys are outside, when it's just one guy outside, it looks fine in my opinion.
I think the whole thing between Orton and Kofi is probably 1 of the most well known , it even played out in the ring and then brought up years later in their recent feud
I see Asuka coming back and dominating the RAW roster again sooner rather than later , with the stale boring Ripley/Flair feud ruining that division
It was 24 hits with a chair and he was that many for a nothing match no way
xpac was also pissed at the bray wyatt and seth rolins dq finish in a hell in a cell match
I think most people were
But is six pac a legend?
@@simsingh8492 imo he is
@@taimoorhussain6062 guess so. He was entertaining for sure
He pretty much paved the way for cruiserweights in WWF, not that Vince would typically give any of them a huge push, but Waltman definitely helped move the bar.
That chair hitting spot was actually brutal.
He’s not a piñata! Delicious candy isn’t gonna explode out of him if you hit him with a chair enough times. Isn’t he the one who took the 18 foot drop off a cage? If so then he’s REALLY an authority of what is taking it too far
Ive heard different versions of why cena told reks to not use the burning hammer anymore. Reks' version is that cena felt threatened by any finished similar to his. Cena's version is that Reks botched it badly during a house show.
I also believe it has something to do with the fact that burning hammer is an incredibly protected move in japan, and they didnt want some low/mid card wrestler with an uncertain future with the company using it.
Should be noted that Reks' version had a slight DDT variation to it, which made it look more like an F5 than the AA. Not too long after this went down, Brock Lesnar made his wwe return at the raw after wrestlemania to start a program with cena. It wouldnt surprise me if at this time Cena already knew brock would be back soon, even if the rest of the locker room didnt
You are giving Cena way too much credit. He is a known ego maniac who uses his power to get what he wants. He is basically a modern day Hogan
@@ben1ben2ben1 This is literally not true, most people hated Hogan while a lot of people have nothing but praise for John
Honestly, JR, Batista, and Mick I all agree with. That spot has gone from being impressive to just feeling cliche, especially when it's set up in a very unnatural way; Asuka deserves so much more than what she's given and her being jobbed out is hugely disrespectful to what she is capable of doing; and 20 shots is going from brutal to just excessive, especially on a midcard feud.
To be fair, Drew's 20 chair shot were NOWHERE NEAR as hard to watch as The Rock's... Everyone watching Foley take those chair shots was cringing back in the day. Drew was delivering much softer shots and he was delivering them to the back. "It's okay to dive off of a 20ft tall cage and almost kill yourself to sell a match, but don't you dare take some chair shots to the back to make this fight seem more realistic". 😂
I think Mick's point wasn't so much "don't do that many chair shots" it was more "If you're going to do that much you need a DAMN good reason for it story wise. Don't just blast a guy 20 times and then go nowhere with it." But yeah, the Rock's shots were definitely much harder to watch. The swings were more brutal, they were headshots, and Foley was handcuffed so he couldn't even put his arms up. It's downright painful to watch.
I wonder if the Undertaker didn't want Nash doing sunset flips because then people would have expected Taker, similar in size to Nash, to do more in the ring than just adjust his gloves, do a flying clothesline, hit Old School, and end things with the Tombstone.
Yeah, what exactly is the problem with Nash doing a sunset flip? Is it that it's dangerous? Takes away from the mystique of the "big man"? I don't get it.
X-Pac mocks Seth Rollins and the Fiend's Hell in a Cell Match finish live on WatchAlong.
The RKO comment is so kayfabe it really weird to add it.
If this, that move is already taken bollocks keeps going, there will literally be no moves left and doing anything other than a punch will be stealing someone's move
Ikr...I always found the concept of owning a move to be just the stupidest...who cares if someone has the same move...in fact having the same moves can lead to interesting story telling...just look at Eddie Guerrero and RVD's fewd centered around who does the better frog splash
Lol acting like I'm gonna let anyone steal my world famous punch. I'll die on that hill!
Most of these are just valid criticisms.
If you have a move that's a "Finisher" and it's being used as a normal spot, it makes you look silly. The suicide dive is a silly spot (but looks really fun.) And Asuka as one of the most technically skilled wrestlers out there, is absolutely not being well used by the WWE.
I'll never call that move the RKO... It'll always be the Diamond Cutter
Piss off its the ace crusher
The RKO is pretty distinct. Fast and explosive to the point that, " RKO from out of nowhere! Became a meme. No one was ever going to describe the Diamobd Cutter as sudden.
I hope you're over 30
@@oxtheunlikelycontemplator2682 and I hope you're under 20.
In fact, you must be.
@@jamesmiller5331 almost 40 😂
Both these guys are technically legends, and I wouldn't really call it being "pissed off," but there's Bret Hart's annoyance of how The Rock would "slap on" his version of the Sharp Shooter.
Rock's Sharpshooter looks just as shitty as Sting's sad Scorpion Deathlock. It sucks.
I wonder if the video game counterparts get upset about all having the same move set😂
Nash would bounce around a lot when they wrestled the Steiner Brothers, it looked wild seeing that giant get tossed like a small guy 😂 props to him for doing it (like they give u a choice)
Cena telling people not to do his moves makes sense. He would only be left with like 4 or 5 if you take one away. I doubt he did the same to Lesnar.
Cena’s finisher was originally the F-U (but is now the AA), a pun on Lesnar’s F-5 so Cena’s move was meant to look somewhat similar to the F-5 so that’s why he hasn’t said anything to Brock
Mick Foley talking bout chair shots when dude is about to present the GCW Championship in like 4 days lol
Did Randy Orton ever check with DDP about using a cutter? I'm just curious.
I've heard that when DDP retired, he told Orton to take the Diamond Cutter to the next level
Both DDP and John laurenaitus told him to use the move
There is a slight difference in execution between moves but yeah.. Basically the same.
JR makes great sense on the dive spot. Dumb tweet by Cutler, too, saying "coil" instead of "quail."
Pretty sure #8 is part of the storyline.
…..gotta be, because Orton stole that move from Page.
@@thepoeticbutcher3370 it’s me it’s me, it’s DDP. Dynamic resistances bitches
The irony of JR, an AEW commentator, bemoaning a key aspect of "aggressive parkour"..! lol
Kevin Nash tore his quad just watching this. 😂
dErP
I remember people got really pissed at Cutler over that tweet, but like... he didn't say whether he thought JR was right or wrong. He didn't criticize JR or anything. He just referenced what JR said in a joking manner. I don't know why people got so upset at Cutler.
JR and Mick foley are right❗️
I think its funny that the code breaker is basically the shatter machine. The RKO is a diamond cutter and the twist of fate is an RKO with a twist. I also love how they give the sleeper a fancy name like the coquina clutch. Shawn Michaels does sweet chin music and they are down. Everyone else does a super kick and it doesn't do shit. Jake the snake hits the DDT and its game over but everyone else does it and it doesn't do shit.
Shatter machine is also a fancy name, as well as every other one you mentioned tyvm
I agree with Vader and JR. I appreciate high flying and all that. But modern wrestling really does sometimes feel like it has 0 story, and is just big spots strung together to see which wrestler gets the most "this is awesome" chants.
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I believe Sid did a rope assisted Sunset Flip in a match against Shawn. I wonder if Taker had anything to say about that as well.
Well, did you saw him doing that again after that match? If not then you know what happened
How is Jim Cornette not on this list ten times?
Because it's a list of spots that pissed off *legends.*
Mr. Backlund is still my favorite gimmick of all time, and I love the way he still owns it when on camera!
Hopefully The Man Vs The empress of Tomorrow have a feud after she gave the title away. Imagine those matches, could easily be a wrestlemania main event
This is how I was expecting her to return, not how she did.
Becky is not a great wrestler, hopefully she picked up some moves in her time off
@@simsingh8492 Compared to Asuka? No she's not. But who is?
@@FuglyStick Charlotte, Sasha, Bayley, just to name a few
@@simsingh8492 Fine wrestlers, but not Asuka's level. That's okay.
The reason Nash did the sunset flip was because bob told him to do it. Bob was the Veteran and Nash was just listening
Cena is made petty for coming at reks for his finisher did he forget that his AA is literally a copy of lesnar f-5? Back in the early 2000s just changed it a bit.
The FU or AA is just a lamer F5
What? No it isn't, it's a standing Fireman's Carry, nothing to do with the F5 other than both carrying opponents on their shoulders
The FU/AA is nothing like the F-5. It’s a crappy Death Valley Driver at best. Brock’s finish is unique.
In b4 Karens come into this thread trying to correct you on Reks' gender
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Some balls on Jericho, to have made one of his finishers a Boston crab, and another the lionsault. One a move so common it was considered up there with the sleeper hold, another move he took (with or without permission doesn't matter here) and then to try to patent a move that he didn't even make.
Edit: spelling
The original Lion Tamer was different from the Boston Crab. He stood upright and drove his knee into the opponent's back. Then he changed it because the Boston Crab is more versatile.
But otherwise, yeah. Your point is a good one.
WILL OSPREY IS STILL IWGP CHAMP HE NEVER LOST IT !? 😡
I gotta agree with JR. The dive to everyone outside the ring is just ridiculous. Same thing with the numerous group suplexes
Cue the old man yells at cloud image
big fan of cena for about 15 yrs now but YEAH SA was absolutely right about that move being just SET UP in his arsenal. that and it did look a little messy more often than not too. but you gotta respect the earnest work Cena was putting in to get better even THAT deep into his career.
It’s all Nia Jax spots right? Should be
Funny thing about Angle and the ankle lock, Shamrock wasn't retired at all when Angle started doing that, he was TNA's inaugural champion mere months AFTER Angle stole that move. In fact, I'm almost certain I saw Angle slap that move on Shamrock in WWE when he first started doing it.
Wrestlers have huge egos which leads to a not insignificant amount of pride and hypocrisy
Who knew
What about Chris Jericho confronting Brock Lesnar after he elbowed Randy Orton’s head open.
Thank you Vader... More people need to call out the jr. High cheerleading routines that pass for wrestling matches.
Big Show punched Khali for stealing his chop to the chest
In Khali's defense, he didn't have many moves before stealing that one from Big Show.
Big show should stfu since Andre the Giant did that all the time.
I wonder what happened to Big Show after that punch...
Everything Jericho has done, someone has done it before him. He’s a mark for himself
very cool video good sir
I 100 percent agree with Vader!!!! That’s literally the biggest issue with “wrestlers” today. They do a couple of flips and dives but don’t have a care in the world for their character, gimmick, and an investing story line. Me personally, I just can’t be invested in wrestlers like that.
For example?
Jim Cornette gets pissed at 90% of the moves done in AEW 😂
That's because he grew up in professional wrestling not independent wrestling.
I may not agree with Jim on a lot of AEW wrestling......but his hatred of far right republicans is a bond that can't be broke lol
@@nebraskajoenelson8987 Cornette hates all conservatives, not just "far right".
@@Muhammadwasapedo I know....but me personally believe their are smart republicans out there ....just a lot more dumb ones lol.
@@z216ghost Cornette grew up in the era where turnbuckle catapult's and spinning toe holds were finishers. The most obvious staged finishers you could ever do.
Its about time kurt angle notified Ken shamrock for using his move but Ken shamrock is still wrestling.
Kudos on remembering, and thusly not misgendering, Gabbi Tuft/Tyler Reks.
"misgendering" Sheesh we need to go back before 2015
Fast forward to now, and the Riddle has hit some of the cleanest RKOs on his résumé (with his best friend Randy’s permission of course)
So much respect for your decision to respect Gabbi Tuft's pronouns here.
Likewise. I had to actually pause the video because I wasn't clicking to the point, found the wiki article, and realised what I was hearing. Seriously quite impressed by the respect given.
Nah
What’s a pronoun
To big chungas, some include her, he, she, him, them
Wrestlers and wrestling fans have come such a long way. Very proud.
Tyler Reks was always a favorite of mine as a kid, I always thought it was weird back then that WWE never gave the push
I'm sorry, but the Riddle one is such a plotline thing it's fucking *hilarious* that y'all are trying to play that as Randy being angry. Y'all getting worked by fucking tweets is something else.
Yeah, because he totally didn't acknowledge that strong possibility in the video, right? RIGHT?! Well, at least you felt cool for 21 minutes....
@@GrymmSoul I know it. But why put in the fucking video if it is so clearly plotline? Padding? Get out of here.
I saw some comments here be annoyed at Randy lmao
If I was a wrestler I would give zero fucks about asking another wrestlers permission about using a move.
Pretty sure that's a good way to get the wrestlers you work with make you look like shit on purpose, and badmouth you to booking and ban you out of the locker room and who knows how much other hazing depending on the organization.
Wrestling, as a business is like...at least 50% high school politics. It's not one where it pays to have enemies.
@@rustyshackleford2950 you have a really good point . I just don’t think it’s fair that some wrestlers are so damn sensitive and don’t let others wrestle the way they wish.
Massive fucking credit and respect for using the correct pronouns for Gabbi Tuft
Cena: Don't do that move, it looks too much like mine!!
"Oh, you mean that move Tommy Dreamer and Perry Saturn did?"
Cena: I'm telling the boss on you.
I just wanna know if Gabby is still wrestling after she came out…would love to see her wrestling again
Vs Nyla Rose.
@@havensinclair3832 why?
Nash angry when the 3D (Dudley's) concuss Sabin and continue the match, basically no protecting him!
I saw the opening of the Ricochet/Will Osprey match. It looked so fake and choreographed
Go-to dive spots are basically a cliché at this point. They are so stupidly common.