ALWAYS, always make sure the wick is thoroughly saturated with kerosene or parafin lamp oil for 2 MINs before lighting. This will keep the wick from burning instead of fuel. Used correctly, a wick can last 10 times that of those who try to light a barely damp wick.
I live n an Amish community, they all use mineral spirits. They say it burns cleaner & hotter. Also mineral spirits in their oil lamps. I have a 3 burner New Perfection & a 2 burner Swartz, luv them. Thx for the vid.
Those burners and the stove look exactly like the stove in a cottage my grandparents owned in Oxford, Ct. back in the '50's. I think theirs was a three-burner. I've never forgotten those burners! Brought back many a memory!
Man that's really nice, and a great tutorial. I have a Butterfly #2418 from St. Paul's Mercantile. It cooks circles around my Coleman and other stoves I have. It's amazing how much fuel it uses, it's really efficient. I use it with my Aladdin blue flame heater and Aladdin lamps. It's great system, and I wished I had tried it decades ago.
I bought a Kero Sun Moonlighter kerosene heater some time ago and found the reflector and cooking rail accessories - can use it for heating, lighting and cooking. I love it.
The moonlighter's are basically 1915 Perfection Kerosene Heaters because they don't have the catalytic converter of the more modern Japanese (Chinese) heaters.
Lamp oil can be either a Kerosene derivative or liquid Paraffin. Paraffin turns solid at lower temperatures and is too thick for good capillary action. They are meant for Kerosene. You would not run your gas car on an alternative fuel, would you? (And I do understand that Ethanol fuel is used but at a risk of water absorption and reduced "gas" mileage due to Ethanol having less energy than gasoline per gallon.)
Found out a new trick today i have a 3 burner new perfection stove .One burner worked ok but I could feel the gear slip once in a while. I then noticed that the old perfection wicks are smaller then the new wicks made by the Amish so I put in a new wick from Schwartz and no more gear slip on the wick. I'm using Schwartz Amish wicks from now on they are a tad bigger and tighter fit
@@scotth9828 yes the 331-x is made by a few companies the best is the Amish made wick they still have the old machine Perfection used i think and they make about all the parts and new stoves in berne Indiana
Ivanhoe and Perfection stoves are the same stove all parts interchange I like the Ivanhoe stove with the open doors on the chimmneys .But they used parts that can interchange. Great stoves for every situation
There is a difference between the "Tall Blue" chimney burners and the Hi-Power burners. Same wick but 30% more heat from a Hi-Power burner. Also the Hi-Power chimneys flow better too so they contribute to a higher heat output.
@@greghall_The_TechEditor They use the same wick is there that much difference? Maybe there is I've never tested. The Chimneys however the different I've noticed is the width on the perfection Chimneys are fatboys and the ivanhoes I've seen are short skinny and tall Chimneys all sizes. Well it all started for me with a 750G Perfection heater and I loved it.I then found a Ivanhoe Stove that I restored with a new top grates and Chimneys .Your videos helped me restore it and learn about these wonderful stoves .I take my two burner ivanhoe camping and I have bought extra heater flame spreaders off of ebay to turn it into a emergency heater. Perfection products from the old days are the best because you can clean the wicks in seconds before every use. Thanks again for your help
@@kidglove100 The big difference is how the air is directed between the tall blue chimney burners and the Hi-Power burners. More air = better and hotter burn.
No link to company that you showed the stove catalog. Can't find them. Butterfly kerosene stoves on St. Paul's Mercantle has gravity fed stoves based on Boss stoves. He carries tabletop & legged models. He carries a steel canning stove that uses a 22 wick.
@@v.j.l.4073 Looks like they have dropped them. Most likely due to the Wuhan virus. Demand dropped. Lehman's still carries the 2, 3, and 5 burner here: www.lehmans.com/search?w=kerosene+stove&queryAssumption=correction. You can also order direct from the factory at Schwartz Mfg., LLC 1261 W - 200 S Berne, Ind. 46711. Amish concern so no internet. I did a video at their plant a few years back, here: th-cam.com/video/44v-Ka9iUUs/w-d-xo.html
Looks like my burners are crap. The wick keeps getting stuck. The grips inside the burner aren't grabbing. Do you know who sells new burners for the New Perfection like the one you show in this video? Thanks for any info you might have.
Shetler's Wholesale 630 High St, Geneva, IN 46740 (260) 368-1473 or direct from the manufacturer at Schwartz Manufacturing 1261 W 200 S, Berne, IN 46711
On start-up, there is some. Burning at temperature, almost none. Most is masked by whatever you are cooking. And again there is some during shutdown. ANd finally with the stove off and if the wicks are left wet, there is a slight Kerosene odor if standing right next to the stove. After a while, you don't even notice it.
Use the Shetler's Wholesale link above for their catalog where you can purchase most of the Schwartz replacement parts. Otherwise write the factory in Berne, Indiana. 1261 W 200 S Berne, IN, 46711-9779.
Not sure what happened to Shetlers website. They were primarily a catalog Amish store. But the catalog request is still hot. See here: shetlerswholesale.wixsite.com/catalogrequest
Thank you for the info By the way I just recently found an Aspen Thermoelectric downdraft fan in perfect condition with the case for 100 Canadian Ever since watching your vid and discovering that device I have been wanting one. They are hard ti find but I now have one and will b using Thanks again
They must have shut down the site. Try this one. facebook.com/pages/category/Discount-Store/Shetlers-Wholesale-469827576528577/ or call them at (260) 368-9900. That one works, I just tested it.
Two choices, restore an old one or purchase a new Schwartz stove from Lehman's, in Kidron, Ohio, here: www.lehmans.com/product/perfection-kerosene-cookstove-two-burner?shopping&gclid=CjwKCAiAnO2MBhApEiwA8q0HYdUPyrYzQTQEETmauD0JVUKJFZEJbip7p4SpfFlCx64705dOvM7vOxoCcEAQAvD_BwE#
@@greghall_The_TechEditor morning Greg, its morning in UK. I've looked at the Lehman's one, i need a table top one preferably. I'm struggling all one week looking over online everywhere. You did a video on a butterfly single stove heavy duty aluminium one, but i can't buy one anywhere for delivery to UK. I really sad and panicking.
@@rosemensah5959 Rose, I never did a review on a Butterfly stove. As to a tabletop Schwartz Perfection 2-burneer stove, they are hard to find but Shetler's Wholesale used to catalog them, # 620-WQ. You can contact them thru their Facebook page here: facebook.com/pages/category/Discount-Store/Shetlers-Wholesale-469827576528577/. If that doesn't work out, contact Elmer Schwartz directly at the factory: Schwartz Manufacturing Inc 1261 W 200 S Berne, IN 46711 (260) 589-3865 Be aware that because Elmer is Amish, their phone is down on the corner in a phone booth with a recorder taking messages. That is how I contact Elmer.
Parts are available from Shetler's Wholesale by either using the link above to order a catalog or their Facebook page facebook.com/pages/category/Discount-Store/Shetlers-Wholesale-469827576528577/ or call them at (260) 368-9900. Or you can call the factory in Berne, Ind. Schwartz Mfg at (260) 589-3865. Being Amish, their phone is down the road in a phone booth with an answering machine. They will get back to you. Or you can write them at 1261 W 200 S Berne, IN 46711
Being more viscous than Kerosene, it will not "wick" upwards into the wick as well as kerosene, resulting in a lower flame output. Also it hardens at low temperatures. Generally any flat wick lamp with a wick wider than 3/4", liquid paraffin is not recommended. That being said, the stove wicks are far larger than that, so..........
In Europe yes, in the USA no. Let me explain, in Europe kerosene is known as paraffin. They are the same thing there. In the US paraffin is actually a liquid wax and is absolutely not recommended for use in heaters or lamps.
Those stoves are designed for Coleman White Gas or unleaded gasoline. Kerosene is thicker and harder to get lit. If it did run, it may well smoke or burn poorely. But I am no expert of the Coleman dual fuel stoves.
If you search hard, there is a video on TH-cam of somebody getting a Coleman to run on kerosene, it ran well, but they had a hard time getting it started.
I personally have never heard of operating a Perfection Stove on Diesel. People have asked me if you can operate a kerosene heater on diesel and I have always said, it burns dirtier and you are burning fuel injector lubricant. I prefer clean burning Kerosene!
I NEVER use Diesel! I do not care to burn fuel injector lubricant. Kerosene can turn from clear with exposure to heat and light. My jug sits in the Kitchen on the stove jug mount and it slowly turns color. Still burns the same. I don't get scammed when it comes to Kerosene or Kerosene devices. My Kerosene has been verified by Jefferson County, NY. Weights & Measures as Canadian #1 Stove Oil imported by Valero. The locked pump can't say K1 Clear Kerosene because it is not! It is #1 Canadian Stove oil with only 15 ppm of Sulfur. That is why the pump states " Un-Dyed, Un-Taxed, Clear Kerosene"
ALWAYS, always make sure the wick is thoroughly saturated with kerosene or parafin lamp oil for 2 MINs before lighting. This will keep the wick from burning instead of fuel. Used correctly, a wick can last 10 times that of those who try to light a barely damp wick.
I live n an Amish community, they all use mineral spirits. They say it burns cleaner & hotter. Also mineral spirits in their oil lamps. I have a 3 burner New Perfection & a 2 burner Swartz, luv them. Thx for the vid.
I have never seen one of these - thanks for your information.
Those burners and the stove look exactly like the stove in a cottage my grandparents owned in Oxford, Ct. back in the '50's. I think theirs was a three-burner. I've never forgotten those burners! Brought back many a memory!
Man that's really nice, and a great tutorial. I have a Butterfly #2418 from St. Paul's Mercantile. It cooks circles around my Coleman and other stoves I have. It's amazing how much fuel it uses, it's really efficient. I use it with my Aladdin blue flame heater and Aladdin lamps. It's great system, and I wished I had tried it decades ago.
I bought a Kero Sun Moonlighter kerosene heater some time ago and found the reflector and cooking rail accessories - can use it for heating, lighting and cooking. I love it.
The moonlighter's are basically 1915 Perfection Kerosene Heaters because they don't have the catalytic converter of the more modern Japanese (Chinese) heaters.
Lamp oil would work too. Thanks for showing us how these stoves work! Awesome! :)
Lamp oil can be either a Kerosene derivative or liquid Paraffin. Paraffin turns solid at lower temperatures and is too thick for good capillary action. They are meant for Kerosene. You would not run your gas car on an alternative fuel, would you? (And I do understand that Ethanol fuel is used but at a risk of water absorption and reduced "gas" mileage due to Ethanol having less energy than gasoline per gallon.)
Found out a new trick today i have a 3 burner new perfection stove .One burner worked ok but I could feel the gear slip once in a while. I then noticed that the old perfection wicks are smaller then the new wicks made by the Amish so I put in a new wick from Schwartz and no more gear slip on the wick. I'm using Schwartz Amish wicks from now on they are a tad bigger and tighter fit
Are they still selling new wicks?
@@scotth9828 yes the 331-x is made by a few companies the best is the Amish made wick they still have the old machine Perfection used i think and they make about all the parts and new stoves in berne Indiana
Great video! Im thinking of getting an old one with the attached oven. Good to know theres spare parts.
Ivanhoe and Perfection stoves are the same stove all parts interchange I like the Ivanhoe stove with the open doors on the chimmneys .But they used parts that can interchange. Great stoves for every situation
There is a difference between the "Tall Blue" chimney burners and the Hi-Power burners. Same wick but 30% more heat from a Hi-Power burner. Also the Hi-Power chimneys flow better too so they contribute to a higher heat output.
@@greghall_The_TechEditor They use the same wick is there that much difference? Maybe there is I've never tested. The Chimneys however the different I've noticed is the width on the perfection Chimneys are fatboys and the ivanhoes I've seen are short skinny and tall Chimneys all sizes. Well it all started for me with a 750G Perfection heater and I loved it.I then found a Ivanhoe Stove that I restored with a new top grates and Chimneys .Your videos helped me restore it and learn about these wonderful stoves .I take my two burner ivanhoe camping and I have bought extra heater flame spreaders off of ebay to turn it into a emergency heater. Perfection products from the old days are the best because you can clean the wicks in seconds before every use. Thanks again for your help
@@kidglove100 The big difference is how the air is directed between the tall blue chimney burners and the Hi-Power burners. More air = better and hotter burn.
This was a very informative video and presentation, thank you for posting.
Absolutely great video, thanks for posting. Helped me out a lot.
I'm restoring my new/old Ivanhoe stove and I was wondering how you got the glass bottle cleaned?
Acetone
I heard you can use denatured alcohol, and yellow bottle heet with these stoves.
IMO: Alcohol is too volatile.
Thanks
I - didn't know you could use the regular heater top on one of those. Pretty neat.
I am not aware that anybody had ever tried it before. I was curious.
@@greghall_The_TechEditor does the yellow flame not produce more co ?
@@d.m.3259 I never tested that. Might be an interesting science project!
Nice trick with the flame spreader 🤓🧐
No link to company that you showed the stove catalog. Can't find them. Butterfly kerosene stoves on St. Paul's Mercantle has gravity fed stoves based on Boss stoves. He carries tabletop & legged models. He carries a steel canning stove that uses a 22 wick.
OOPS! Link is inserted now.
@@greghall_The_TechEditor Still cannot find them on a search of Shelter's products online.
@@v.j.l.4073 Looks like they have dropped them. Most likely due to the Wuhan virus. Demand dropped. Lehman's still carries the 2, 3, and 5 burner here: www.lehmans.com/search?w=kerosene+stove&queryAssumption=correction. You can also order direct from the factory at Schwartz Mfg., LLC 1261 W - 200 S Berne, Ind. 46711. Amish concern so no internet. I did a video at their plant a few years back, here: th-cam.com/video/44v-Ka9iUUs/w-d-xo.html
Looks like my burners are crap. The wick keeps getting stuck. The grips inside the burner aren't grabbing. Do you know who sells new burners for the New Perfection like the one you show in this video? Thanks for any info you might have.
Shetler's Wholesale
630 High St, Geneva, IN 46740
(260) 368-1473
or direct from the manufacturer at
Schwartz Manufacturing
1261 W 200 S, Berne, IN 46711
How much odor do these stoves release?
On start-up, there is some. Burning at temperature, almost none. Most is masked by whatever you are cooking. And again there is some during shutdown. ANd finally with the stove off and if the wicks are left wet, there is a slight Kerosene odor if standing right next to the stove. After a while, you don't even notice it.
I just bought my first one.
Can you direct me to where I can buy parts ?
Use the Shetler's Wholesale link above for their catalog where you can purchase most of the Schwartz replacement parts. Otherwise write the factory in Berne, Indiana. 1261 W 200 S Berne, IN, 46711-9779.
Hi.
Are the parts suppliers you mentioned still around?
I haven’t had luck finding the online company you mentioned in this pic.
Not sure what happened to Shetlers website. They were primarily a catalog Amish store. But the catalog request is still hot. See here: shetlerswholesale.wixsite.com/catalogrequest
@@greghall_The_TechEditor that link is dead on my end sadly
Apparently their online presents is gone. See their address and phone number above to contact them.
Thank you for the info
By the way I just recently found an Aspen Thermoelectric downdraft fan in perfect condition with the case for 100 Canadian
Ever since watching your vid and discovering that device I have been wanting one.
They are hard ti find but I now have one and will b using
Thanks again
Congratulations! That is $500 less than you can currently find one, even if you COULD find one!
but when you go to official site it doesn't work
They must have shut down the site. Try this one. facebook.com/pages/category/Discount-Store/Shetlers-Wholesale-469827576528577/ or call them at (260) 368-9900. That one works, I just tested it.
Hi Greg, greetings from London UK. Where can i buy this perfection 2 burner stove please? I've clicked on your link, but it doesn't take me to website
Two choices, restore an old one or purchase a new Schwartz stove from Lehman's, in Kidron, Ohio, here: www.lehmans.com/product/perfection-kerosene-cookstove-two-burner?shopping&gclid=CjwKCAiAnO2MBhApEiwA8q0HYdUPyrYzQTQEETmauD0JVUKJFZEJbip7p4SpfFlCx64705dOvM7vOxoCcEAQAvD_BwE#
@@greghall_The_TechEditor morning Greg, its morning in UK. I've looked at the Lehman's one, i need a table top one preferably. I'm struggling all one week looking over online everywhere. You did a video on a butterfly single stove heavy duty aluminium one, but i can't buy one anywhere for delivery to UK. I really sad and panicking.
@@rosemensah5959 Rose, I never did a review on a Butterfly stove. As to a tabletop Schwartz Perfection 2-burneer stove, they are hard to find but Shetler's Wholesale used to catalog them, # 620-WQ. You can contact them thru their Facebook page here: facebook.com/pages/category/Discount-Store/Shetlers-Wholesale-469827576528577/.
If that doesn't work out, contact Elmer Schwartz directly at the factory: Schwartz Manufacturing Inc
1261 W 200 S
Berne, IN 46711
(260) 589-3865
Be aware that because Elmer is Amish, their phone is down on the corner in a phone booth with a recorder taking messages. That is how I contact Elmer.
@@greghall_The_TechEditor I've ended up buying an Alpaca brand now, for my prepping. Thanks all the same
Can you message me the information as to where to get parts for this stove?
Parts are available from Shetler's Wholesale by either using the link above to order a catalog or their Facebook page facebook.com/pages/category/Discount-Store/Shetlers-Wholesale-469827576528577/ or call them at (260) 368-9900. Or you can call the factory in Berne, Ind. Schwartz Mfg at (260) 589-3865. Being Amish, their phone is down the road in a phone booth with an answering machine. They will get back to you. Or you can write them at
1261 W 200 S
Berne, IN 46711
Sadly, I couldn't find any kerosene heaters or cookers on your website.
I don't have a website, nor do I sell. I just collect, restore and use.
Ebay has a lot of Perfection stoves and heaters for sale and parts
Really
Never new they made these
looks like the link doesn't work
Just tried it and it works???
Can you use liquid paraffin in this type of stove as well?
Being more viscous than Kerosene, it will not "wick" upwards into the wick as well as kerosene, resulting in a lower flame output. Also it hardens at low temperatures. Generally any flat wick lamp with a wick wider than 3/4", liquid paraffin is not recommended. That being said, the stove wicks are far larger than that, so..........
@@greghall_The_TechEditor good to know and thanks for the reply.
In Europe yes, in the USA no.
Let me explain, in Europe kerosene is known as paraffin. They are the same thing there.
In the US paraffin is actually a liquid wax and is absolutely not recommended for use in heaters or lamps.
If you have smoke, the wick is too high.
Could I use kerosene as the only fuel source in the Coleman Muti fuel stove indoors?
Those stoves are designed for Coleman White Gas or unleaded gasoline. Kerosene is thicker and harder to get lit. If it did run, it may well smoke or burn poorely. But I am no expert of the Coleman dual fuel stoves.
If you search hard, there is a video on TH-cam of somebody getting a Coleman to run on kerosene, it ran well, but they had a hard time getting it started.
@@johnwyman6126 Coleman Fuel (White Gas) is far more volatile than Kerosene, so it lights easier. Downside is it goes bad much faster than Kerosene.
@@greghall_The_TechEditor agreed.
You have to preheat the fuel pipe go get the kerosense to pressureize properly i have personally used alit 425 by kerosene dad had it figured out
Could this run on diesel?
I personally have never heard of operating a Perfection Stove on Diesel. People have asked me if you can operate a kerosene heater on diesel and I have always said, it burns dirtier and you are burning fuel injector lubricant. I prefer clean burning Kerosene!
website doesn't exist
I just tried Shetler's website and it worked??
@@greghall_The_TechEditor when I click on "visit official site" it then says Looks like this domain isn't connected to a website yet.
It is possible they never set up their website. It took them years to just get the catalog request site, being an Amish concern.
That's diesel fuel in that jug not kerosene. Either you know it's diesel or you got scammed at a gas station selling diesel fuel labeled as kerosene
I NEVER use Diesel! I do not care to burn fuel injector lubricant. Kerosene can turn from clear with exposure to heat and light. My jug sits in the Kitchen on the stove jug mount and it slowly turns color. Still burns the same. I don't get scammed when it comes to Kerosene or Kerosene devices. My Kerosene has been verified by Jefferson County, NY. Weights & Measures as Canadian #1 Stove Oil imported by Valero. The locked pump can't say K1 Clear Kerosene because it is not! It is #1 Canadian Stove oil with only 15 ppm of Sulfur. That is why the pump states " Un-Dyed, Un-Taxed, Clear Kerosene"