I'm kind of happy he didn't edit that out. We all have those rare moments where traffic gets the better of us, it just comes down to how we deal with them. Zack was super mild with just "yelling" into his helmet. It was a very human moment.
You know what really impressed me with how that whole thing played out? The horn working the way it was intended on a motorcycle; I’ve seen so many people feel the need to rev bomb cars (myself included) because they feel the horn just doesn’t get the same attention. I like this.
@@teaganyoung3394 I kinda feel like a light throttle blip is more gentle than the horn, and the horn less rude than the full rev bomb. Sleeping at the light usually gets a light blip from me, then a longer one if they don't wake up. You were warned...
I really appreciate the separation from what Zack’s personal preference for ownership would be vs his rating for the daily rider leader board. It’s also fun to watch him struggle a bit in doing so, lol
I wish he would go back to the 2-axis board though. Some bikes are awful dailies, but incredibly fun, and they should be praised for what they are, not what they aren't. You can't really see that with a single category being ranked.
@@patm9351 I do like the simplicity and clarity of the leaderboard but it does miss a little bit of that extra info. The added symbols to note expensive bikes, fun bikes and ones that are simply beloved is a nice touch though
@@patm9351 The show is called "Daily Rider." It's meant to rank the best daily riders at the top. Being an awful daily rider isn't going to get praise here.
Finally the bike I've been waiting to see on here. Planning on to get this as my beginner bike after sitting on it, felt so much better than the Rebel 500 and more natural.
My buddy just picked up his 1st motorcycle with the new Eliminator. I had to ride it home for him as he didn't have a moto license yet, I was pleasantly surprised at how easy & docile it is to ride. Definitely a great beginner bike imo. I have the 2023 Vulcan S 650 myself 😊
might be a stupid question but i'm doing my driving lessons right now and multiple people have asked me if i have a bike yet, but i find it really hard to buy a bike without even knowing how the bike feels to ride (since i can't do test rides without a license) . Did you do the testing for him or did he just straight up buy it based on reviews/opinion etc?
@@axoliminator we were able to go to a local dealer & sit on a bunch of different bikes to see what felt most comfortable. Didn't do a formal test ride but he kept coming back to the Eliminator & decided to buy it. Once he got his learners permit we would ride around his neighborhood until he got comfortable with the bike before we rode on any main roads or highways.
@@axoliminator Go sit on a lot of them. Thats all you need to do as a beginner. It will take a couple of years of riding before you begin to notice what I call nuance(the smaller stuff). Comfort as a beginner will give you confidence and the lack of it will give you fear. Check out the Eliminator, the Vulcan S 650, The Yamaha MT03, The Ninja 400 and Z 650 and Ninja 650
@@axoliminator I'd say his friend is probably not making the wisest financial decision by buying a new bike, but his purchasing methodology is fine. You're probably not going to want to keep your first bike for very long anyway. I had my first (a Ninja 500) for less than 2 months - nothing wrong with that bike (other than having carbeurators), but I got a little cheap experience before buying something more fun.
My buddy has the same bike as you, I've put about 2k miles on it along with my rebel 300 at about 7k. What's the acceleration like compared to the Vulcan s?
Mini power cruiser... that is a perfect Description. I think Kawasaki knocked this one out of the park. Super excited to get some more seat time on one. And that's coming from a die hard Supersport Rider. Having ridden all three the Honda Rebel 300 and 500 have nothing on this bike IMO. Great job Kawasaki. Thank you for such a thorough review as always Zach.
Hey late reply but I'm also debating between the Rebel 500 and Eliminator - why do you prefer the Eliminator? Both fit my use case (mostly urban riding, something that can do well in traffic but still has the power on the highway) and I'm not aware of any other mid/small size bikes (around 400-600cc) that are better than those two.
I love these reviews, even when you’re reviewing bikes, like cruisers, that I will never in my life have any use for. The presentation is just fun, kind of like listening to a buddy tell stories about the bike he test-rode. Thanks again.
I work at a dealership and as soon as we got one in I was IN LOVE. I’ve always been a standard/naked bike rider and this is the first cruiser like bike to catch my eye. I’m definitely getting one.
Hello, I am also interested in one, but when I went to the Dealer not only did I have a dealer fee, but also a dealer fee for assembling the motorcycle because according to them it comes in a box, this is correct.
Took my MSF course on an old Eliminator 125 back in 2009 and really enjoyed it... it's definitely approachable and a sort of all-rounder. The impression it left me with is a quirky bike that doesn't fit into any category (not quite cruiser enough or sporty enough) but that makes it ideal to learn on because the transition to any other bike is pretty straightforward
When I was 16 my dad got me a 2009 125cc kawasaki elimator to ride while I was trying to fix my 90s virago 535. The elimator was so slow and uncomfortable, but I'll always love it because it legally got me out on 2 wheels
I love how it's more classic UJM than cruiser. I find so many modern cruisers pursue the cruiser ethos so far that they compromise actual ridability. Put differently this allows one who likes the cruiser aesthetic to get a good ride that doesn't put all your weight on your tailbone or carry hundreds of pounds of extra weight.
Having grown up and lived decades in the South Bay it’s nice seeing Zack ride down all the same streets and freeways I grew up with and have been down so often it’s burned into my memories forever. As far as the bike being older I’d look at this as an about town bike and for commuting and zipping in and out of traffic on city streets and due to all the vibrations and transmission issues with it, I personally would grab the Royal Enfield Hunter 350 for 3,900 or maybe a Scram and save the extra 3k saved to spend on getting a better version of a full sized tourer of whatever floats your boat, sport, adventure, cruiser, whatever.
That's exactly what I plan on doing. I was an advanced rider until I had a motorbike crash 30 years ago. Havent ridden since. Now in my 50's I'm probably rusty, but slightly higher than a beginner and I'm looking at the Royal Enfield 350 classic to ride for a few summers, take the money I saved and put it toward a bigger better bike once I get comfortable again and want something with more grunt.
I understood the 180° p-twin in the ninja 400 as it feels a little more free revving, but now that they’re using p-twins in nakeds, cruisers, sport tourers and so on I can’t help but feel they’d be so much more satisfying with 270° cranks. The Pretend-V-Twins as I call them just feel so much more satisfying in those styles.
I suppose they wanted to reuse as many parts as possible from the 400 for cost, which is a shame as a 270 twin would really add to the psuedo-cruser vibe.
Not traditionally a cruiser guy, but I have to admit I love how this thing looks. If it had a 270 degree engine or anything with a bit more character Id probably think about one as a commuter
Having a more torquey ninja400 engine isnt really a cruiser engine but tbis is kinda a standard style with a cruizer fungshway anyway. Perhaps its a good commuter
Just want to give a shout out of appreciation for Zack. I just got back into riding and I absolutely love this series. Pay this man and keep him around a long time!
Mt are naked sports bikes tho. Kawa has the z650 and the z900. The RSs especially the 900 are just naked sportsbikes are clad as a neoclassic but really sportsbikes in character. I think its much more likely theyll make another z450 RS, a sporty neoclassic
@timonschneider6290 you can argue it can compete with the honda rebel which is selling very well. Kawasaki already has the engines ready as well. It's current 450, the vulcans 650, the 900rs' 900. I'd bet if they did it would sell
@@B-Rok88 yeah maybe. why not? i think it would depend a lot on whether they can integrate it into their production as well too. since there is a little bit of doubling in their own line up.
Having owned my Z400 for 2 years, I can easily agree with the transmission issues you’re experiencing and it’s a shame the glitches haven’t been sorted for the new model. Norton makes a fix kit for the 400 series, but how much money and effort are most people going to spend on taking apart their transmission on what’s likely their first motorcycle? It’s a point of frustration I would say is a major weakness worthy of a full letter grade off an otherwise great package.
Odd, had mine for 3 years before just recently selling...no issues. It isnot the smoothest but completely compitent. Now the first year clutch wear and slipping issue...that was real but it was corrected.
Nice to know that the "rev giggles" is a international thing for all motorcyclists I kinda use it as an indicator that the bikes are pretty good for the rider. btw rev giggles happen when you takeoff on a motorcycle quickly and laugh a little Fan from Australia
What I WANT to get at 40 years old as my first bike is a Harley FXR. But the more you talk about this bike the more I realize that it could be the perfect fit for me. It seems funny to me but it's "approachability" makes it really "tempting."
Love this review! I've been waiting for this to come out. In retrospect, it makes me wish I had waited to buy my Honda Rebel because I think this bike would have been perfect for me. On a side note, I appreciate someone seeing the good qualities in a motorcycle, even if it's not the style of bike they would have chosen. That's pretty awesome. 🙂
I've sat on the Eliminator and Vulcan S, and they are both very comfortable. Of I was going to get my first bike instead of looking for my second, I would seriously consider this bike. I don't like cruisers or this engine, but I like this bike.
Dude, I’m surprised (pleasantly) that you can give such a fair review to a bike that isn’t your preferred style. I’m not sure I could be so detached and balanced! I guess balance is good for all riders, right! 😎 the vulcan 900 is my dream bike but intimidating in some ways. I’m going to return to riding after a looong hiatus. I think a 450 is a better place to start than a 900. Thanks for taking the time.
This is the one that surprised me with it's looks when I visited a bike expo recently. I went to see all kinds of other bikes but when I saw the Eliminator I had to try out the seat, bike looked reeeeeal nice and I was drawn to it. I'm currently riding an XSR 125 and I love the retro style but also sport bike look and was looking to move up to a CBR500R but the Eliminator has made my choice difficult now.
Kawasaki rlly dropped the ball not throwing a 270 degree crank in that ninja engine. Its a huge trend rn and wud have gave that cruiser that v twin sound and feel. Itd have been perfect
Seems like a Japanese Harley Street Rod. Awesome beginner bike and VERY approachable for female riders as well. Seems like a good way to round out the beginner options.
I'm a new rider and really like the z400s ergonomics. I haven't ridden it but it feels great. A 400cc is small for me though, I'm 6'2 217lbs and will be doing some highway riding. Since kawasaki is the most comfortable brand I've sat on I'm considering this or the Vulcan 650. Any thoughts?
My 250 Ninja is fine on the highway, loves 75-85mph. The 400 Ninja would be better, I would think. The main difference among the three: Ninja - fairings block the wind and standard seating but limited luggage, Eliminator - standard seating and better luggage options, Vulcan S - feet forward and better luggage options and passenger capabilities. Feet forward doesn't really allow you to weight your footpegs or lean off the bike around corners for stability. You gotta figure out what works best for you of the differences. However, Eliminator should be more than fine on the highway.
My son just got one of these. Same spec. It's a great little beginner bike as well as fun for a seasoned rider like myself. It's surprising how flickable it is.
@aaaces01 What's your point? If you're trying to compare 18-wheelers and cars to motorcycles, you've lost the concept. As a parent of three, that taught all of my kids how to drive and prepare them to get their licenses, there actually are beginner cars. Usually, smaller, more economical, and affordable cars that are easy to drive and maneuver in all kinds of situations. All of my kids learned on a Toyota Corolla. It is a great car for a young beginning driver. But what a concept, an advanced experienced driver can actually drive the same thing. Same as a BEGINNER bike. But 18-wheelers? Seriously? A vehicle that requires class 3 licensing as a professional driver? Why don't you go ask a class 3 license instructor what a good beginner 18-wheeler is. I'm sure they have them.
Got a 97 600 Eliminator in the shed. That Ninja 4 cyl is a screamer. I don't think this version is a improvement but it will stack up to the current offers.
How do the engine vibrations compare between the Kawasaki 400/450, 650, and the Honda 500? They are all 180 degree cranks. None sound good to me, but I'm still curious about the vibration.
I came here to say the same! 😂 I went in to my local dealership today to look at a Rebel 500, and the salesman suggested I also look at the Eliminator after hearing about what I was wanting to do riding-wise. After throwing a leg over and getting comfortable, I realized I much preferred the almost-UJM riding position of the Eliminator to that of the Rebel.
I too have been riding an Eliminator 400 since last year. I am happy with the ride and vibration characteristics, which are roughly as you have pointed out. I think the flat design of the tank contributes a lot to the beauty of the design of this bike The tank capacity is disappointing. Another weakness is that the fuel gauge is unreliable... I notice this weakness especially when riding long distances. The high seat is an option and I highly recommend it, it changes the riding position and comfort a lot and makes it more like a naked bike (although the design is a bit worse)... Thanks for the review! I enjoyed it very much! I don't think I'll ever be able to copy the wheelie, though...
The Eliminator really makes me think of my 80s Honda Nighthawk CB450. Not a cruiser, not a standard. Kawasakis modern mill has 10 more hp and 10more mpg than my 86 Nighthawk but everything Zack described about the Eliminators healing demeanor is how my Nighthawk is. Biggest difference is I only paid $300 for the Nighthawk 😊
As a big ZZ Top fan I love that question about their album! I had a feeling the choice would be TV Dinners. The first song I thought of was I Got The Six. The song is playful, mischievous and a bit naughty (the refrain says “I got the six now give me your nine”) 🤣
Reminds me of my little old shadow 500. Rowdy little 50hp motor that’s not super fast but always down to have fun. With a super easy approachable riding position it’s the kind of bike that’s great to keep in the stable for when you want to put someone on a bike or just feel like riding something to its absolute limit without hitting the track
Your guy (Zack) twice stated that this 500 motor was a 180º , but the manufacturer specs states it’s a 270º motor. And this is one of the reasons why I chose the Eliminator over the Rebel. I’d rather have the dash like on a Ninja but maybe I can retrofit it on. 🤔 The mirrors too. 🙄
I once owned a LTD440, that was a fun little bike from Kawasaki. Think it was sold as a Vulcan 500 or something like that in the US of A. At 6`1 tall it was just about enough big in size for me, bought it as a relapse bike cheap from a colleague after I quit motorcycling. So I did not quit, after all. Had a blast with it for a couple of seasons after which I upgraded to my current ride, also a Kawasaki. A Vulcan 750 from -95, still after 12 seasons on it in good condition. But I am getting older so a light bike like this would propably be enough, need to test one and see what I think. Thanks for this review, good work as always!
Nope, 440 LTD was also sold in the US. It was followed in 1985 by the 454 LTD which had a completely different motor, essentially half a Ninja 900 engine. The Vulcan 500 came later, about 1990, IIRC. It shared the engine from the Ninja 500.
10:33 I have the same problem on my 2023 Yamaha MT 10. I can see the top of my forearms. I move my arm outward or take my hand off the bar and lift my arm to see behind me.
What a great minute examination of this bike, you covered all the points that are relevant to this potential buyer who can't get a rest ride himself. All the best and thankyou very much for your great work. Subscribed.
I ride a cruiser with forward controls. There ate passenger pegs. I usually ride solo. When I see a bump or whatnot, I drop the back pegs and squat on them. Not always convenient but does the trick. Spinals suck.
I guess for me, $6950 + 450 freight + tax and licensing (like 8k all in) just isn't entry level cheap. I think a new rider is crazy spending that kind of money on one of these new. I'd go RE classic or used XSR700 (I know not a cruiser). Both bikes have some personality and will be cheaper and IMO more fun in their own way.
To me the versys X just has the wrong engine for the bike. It should have been more road oriented than it is. A larger torquier engine would suit it much better
@chrispekel5709 I can't say I agree with you. I've had one for a couple of years now, and it really lives up to its name. It's versatile. Does well on road, does well on mild off-road. With a few small changes it can be set up to do one or the other better, and parts are plentiful and relatively cheap. Would it be better with the 400 cc engine? Yes, it would but then it might cannibalize too many sales from the KLR650 and/or the Versys 650.
Great video. Everything about this bike seems really cool and a easy bike to ride. But the lack of rumble, sound .....I can get over it. Might as well be a moped.
I would love to see the BMW R1250RS given the daily rider treatment. I own one, and can’t think of a better bike to, go quick, be comfortable, and ride with a smile on my face. Of course, it’s not for off road. I know you had the RT on the show before, but they truly are different beasts. Thanks in advance, and I’m looking forward to the next CTXP adventure!
I had been hoping for a retro "RS" or even Scrambler version of the Z400 like they did to the Z650 and Z900, but they came up with this cruiser which do not really suit the terrible road conditions in my country. Another down side is the lack of available after-market tires in these sizes as opposed to the plenty of choices for the comparable Honda Rebel. Plus side is that it is probably kinder on my bad knee ;-)
A retro RS version would be nice, but the Eliminator already looks a bit like a standard. I'm not certain that they would sell enough RS models to justify making them. I suspect that a Versys 450 will be next.
I had the same thought, but the more I look at it, the more I think about longer rear shocks to give a little lift to maybe the 30-31 " seat height .. worth considering I suppose.
I've always been split on positive neutral finder. It's certainly better than those extra shitty boxes where you shift back and forth between first and second six times trying to get neutral. Rode an old Aprilia Futura that was crazy bad. But my current Honda's box is so easy to use it would only be worse with PNF. Being able to go from second to neutral while moving is nice. (The other part of PNF is if you come to a stop in second and stomp down you go into neutral even if you aren't delicate, I think this is the part of the feature the screws up second to neutral when moving.)
I just sold my old 2011 ZX-6R and bought a new KTM Duke.. holy shit trying to find neutral for 5-10 times every single time and the clunkiness and hard shifts from the absolute garbage KTM transmission! I thought that was the worst possible farm implement trans, just before I tried a friend's Husqvarna Svartpilen, which was even worse than my Duke!! (even if it's basically the same KTM powertrain, they somehow managed to make it worse) Kawi PNF FTW! The Honda (I had before the ZX6) tranny was fine, but I still think it would've been better if it had PNF.
I know 90pct of the new bikes out now are ruined by the looks of the stock muffler, very few imo got the stock muffler looking decent to flow with the bike. It all gets swapped out anyway, maybe that's why sometimes they don't bother to design it nicely, they know the owners will change it out in most cases.
So it's pretty much a baby Vulcan S 650? The power to weight ratio might even make it a bit quicker? 400lbs x 52hp vs 500lbs x 61hp. The Vulcan also being a mash up "sport cruiser". I LOVE the Vulcan S, I know it's maybe a niche market but the sporty, high revving P-Twin in the comfy cruiser body and with very nimble handling is a lot of fun and the S and now this Eliminator are great bang for buck deals.
I think my wife would love one of these to replace her old Suzuki VS800 s50. Sounds like it makes the same power but is modern and a little lighter! Also she loves mid-pegs.
Wonder if that'd be a good bike for my 5'5" daughter to ride with a fairing across country. The low weight might be an issue in crosswinds would be my only concern since I'd immediately put a Corbin seat on it for her.
Zack, in every ride video you are constantly pushing a button on the controls with the thumb of your left hand. What control needs that much attention?
Great review especially when he had zero expectations of this bike. I have owned many bikes and as I have gotten older I wanted something small, light and more cruiser than sport bike. Recently owned a 22 Nightster which was a fun bike but plagued with electrical issues. Had an R3 prior and and MT03 after the Harley. My brother picked up a z400 and after driving it I enjoyed the power delivery over the 321cc. Sold the MT03 and recently picked up the Eliminator and for what it is a great bike. The aftermarket for the Ninja 400 is outstanding and hope that this bike will also garner the attention of those companies.
I'm not an expert (I'm looking at this as an option for my first bike), but the Japanese version of the Eliminator has a 399cc engine. I believe that's due to way motorcycle licensing works in Japan... 124cc is a small, 399cc is a standard or mid-sized bike. 400cc or greater is classed as a large motorcycle. I don't understand all the restrictions, but the larger bikes have fewer restrictions: Top speed, expressway access, but you need to be older to get it. Presumably it also costs more to obtain. Similarly, Australia has LAMS... the Learner Approved bikes... and the Honda Rebel 500 is LAMS compliant, but the Vulcan S has a restrictor added to bring it down to the permitted power/weight ratio. This means you are spending a lot of money for a hobbled bike, and to (officially) de-hobble it you need an engineering certificate, and once it's been de-hobbled, it can't be re-hobbled and be LAMS compliant. By pushing the Eliminator to 451cc outside of Japan, they get a bike that more effectively competes with the 471cc Honda Rebel in that "first bike that isn't a 250cc toy and that somebody would actually want to own for a few years" segment.
My 1st bike was an Eliminator 250. Great memories and a nostalgic nameplate for a 50 year old man. I would certainly consider adding it to the garage, but the price point is so competitive and the Z400 is just too much fun. So, yeah.....
Good to see a major motorcycle company tapping into the style and function that a skilled DIYer would love to be able to fabricate in his weekend home garage.
My first thought about the gauge offset was that i really hate it.. but riding the eliminator you dont notice that actually... plus i appreciated it more when mounting your phone especially for navigation.. it doesnt block the panel very nice
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Did Zack get a spy shot of the next gen MB G-Wagon? Michigan plates and camo wrap usually means prototype testing. Did you credit him with the scoop?
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Zack’s rare road rage moment was hilarious and justified
I'm kind of happy he didn't edit that out. We all have those rare moments where traffic gets the better of us, it just comes down to how we deal with them. Zack was super mild with just "yelling" into his helmet. It was a very human moment.
I counted at least 3 seconds.
@@pathosdivision...rare?
You know what really impressed me with how that whole thing played out? The horn working the way it was intended on a motorcycle; I’ve seen so many people feel the need to rev bomb cars (myself included) because they feel the horn just doesn’t get the same attention. I like this.
@@teaganyoung3394 I kinda feel like a light throttle blip is more gentle than the horn, and the horn less rude than the full rev bomb. Sleeping at the light usually gets a light blip from me, then a longer one if they don't wake up. You were warned...
"Stop looking at your phones and go!"
A man after my own heart.
I’m still riding an eliminator 750cc from the 80s… what a bike!!! never failed!!!
U mean 900cc ??????
No.....a 750! i wish i had a 900...@@fester16100
@@fester16100The Kawasaki ZL750 Eliminator was sold in 1985.
I got the 97' 600cc, surprisingly quick bike. Tons of fun
@@matthewl6153 i had one. Awesome do almost anything bike.
I love the massive amount of options in the mid sized motorcycle market.
I wish the truck market was the same
agree
This is unequivocally a small motorcycle.
@@Hansengineering400+ cc is not small. Small is 125,150 even 250 cc. At least in terms of engine size it's not small.
@@lucascarracedo7421 lol yes the fuck it is. It's a child's motorcycle. "mid sized" doesn't even start until 650.
Been watching this review for a while now but it has made me go out and get it as my first bike. Rode it home today and couldn't be happier
I've been watching this too (like my 5th time now) and I'm considering grabbing the last 2024 at my local dealer. How do you like yours? No regrets?
What are your impressions after one month ? is it comfortable on longer rides ?
I really appreciate the separation from what Zack’s personal preference for ownership would be vs his rating for the daily rider leader board. It’s also fun to watch him struggle a bit in doing so, lol
I wish he would go back to the 2-axis board though. Some bikes are awful dailies, but incredibly fun, and they should be praised for what they are, not what they aren't. You can't really see that with a single category being ranked.
@@patm9351 I do like the simplicity and clarity of the leaderboard but it does miss a little bit of that extra info. The added symbols to note expensive bikes, fun bikes and ones that are simply beloved is a nice touch though
@@patm9351 The show is called "Daily Rider." It's meant to rank the best daily riders at the top. Being an awful daily rider isn't going to get praise here.
People seem to totally miss the name of this series. "Daily Rider"
Not "Weekly fun rider".
Your final explanation of where it goes on the board is exactly why I watch Zach. Never give that honesty up!
One of my absolute favorite series in YT
Finally the bike I've been waiting to see on here. Planning on to get this as my beginner bike after sitting on it, felt so much better than the Rebel 500 and more natural.
Tried both and far prefer the eliminator over the rebel which is so low to the ground it feels like a kids bike.
Same here!
Me too... I finally found one I that I find cool and isn't too powerful for my noobie ass
Well did you get it?
@@joelfigueroa1309I’m curious as well
My buddy just picked up his 1st motorcycle with the new Eliminator. I had to ride it home for him as he didn't have a moto license yet, I was pleasantly surprised at how easy & docile it is to ride. Definitely a great beginner bike imo. I have the 2023 Vulcan S 650 myself 😊
might be a stupid question but i'm doing my driving lessons right now and multiple people have asked me if i have a bike yet, but i find it really hard to buy a bike without even knowing how the bike feels to ride (since i can't do test rides without a license) . Did you do the testing for him or did he just straight up buy it based on reviews/opinion etc?
@@axoliminator we were able to go to a local dealer & sit on a bunch of different bikes to see what felt most comfortable. Didn't do a formal test ride but he kept coming back to the Eliminator & decided to buy it. Once he got his learners permit we would ride around his neighborhood until he got comfortable with the bike before we rode on any main roads or highways.
@@axoliminator Go sit on a lot of them. Thats all you need to do as a beginner. It will take a couple of years of riding before you begin to notice what I call nuance(the smaller stuff). Comfort as a beginner will give you confidence and the lack of it will give you fear. Check out the Eliminator, the Vulcan S 650, The Yamaha MT03, The Ninja 400 and Z 650 and Ninja 650
@@axoliminator I'd say his friend is probably not making the wisest financial decision by buying a new bike, but his purchasing methodology is fine. You're probably not going to want to keep your first bike for very long anyway. I had my first (a Ninja 500) for less than 2 months - nothing wrong with that bike (other than having carbeurators), but I got a little cheap experience before buying something more fun.
My buddy has the same bike as you, I've put about 2k miles on it along with my rebel 300 at about 7k. What's the acceleration like compared to the Vulcan s?
I just bought my first motorcycle, KLR 650. Thanks Zack and Revzilla for all the information and inspiration!
Nice choice! Mine is going to be a used V-Strom 650 though I like the KLRs as well
Mini power cruiser... that is a perfect Description. I think Kawasaki knocked this one out of the park. Super excited to get some more seat time on one. And that's coming from a die hard Supersport Rider. Having ridden all three the Honda Rebel 300 and 500 have nothing on this bike IMO. Great job Kawasaki. Thank you for such a thorough review as always Zach.
Hey late reply but I'm also debating between the Rebel 500 and Eliminator - why do you prefer the Eliminator? Both fit my use case (mostly urban riding, something that can do well in traffic but still has the power on the highway) and I'm not aware of any other mid/small size bikes (around 400-600cc) that are better than those two.
I love these reviews, even when you’re reviewing bikes, like cruisers, that I will never in my life have any use for. The presentation is just fun, kind of like listening to a buddy tell stories about the bike he test-rode. Thanks again.
I work at a dealership and as soon as we got one in I was IN LOVE. I’ve always been a standard/naked bike rider and this is the first cruiser like bike to catch my eye. I’m definitely getting one.
Hello, I am also interested in one, but when I went to the Dealer not only did I have a dealer fee, but also a dealer fee for assembling the motorcycle because according to them it comes in a box, this is correct.
I would greatly appreciate if you could clarify my doubt.
I was always a adventure/ dual sport rider and I got this bike, and I'm in love.
Took my MSF course on an old Eliminator 125 back in 2009 and really enjoyed it... it's definitely approachable and a sort of all-rounder. The impression it left me with is a quirky bike that doesn't fit into any category (not quite cruiser enough or sporty enough) but that makes it ideal to learn on because the transition to any other bike is pretty straightforward
I love daily rider videos, always happy when I see a new one released
Unbiased and reliable opinion. This is why i follow this particular series. Thank you Zack.
When I was 16 my dad got me a 2009 125cc kawasaki elimator to ride while I was trying to fix my 90s virago 535. The elimator was so slow and uncomfortable, but I'll always love it because it legally got me out on 2 wheels
I love how it's more classic UJM than cruiser. I find so many modern cruisers pursue the cruiser ethos so far that they compromise actual ridability.
Put differently this allows one who likes the cruiser aesthetic to get a good ride that doesn't put all your weight on your tailbone or carry hundreds of pounds of extra weight.
Having grown up and lived decades in the South Bay it’s nice seeing Zack ride down all the same streets and freeways I grew up with and have been down so often it’s burned into my memories forever. As far as the bike being older I’d look at this as an about town bike and for commuting and zipping in and out of traffic on city streets and due to all the vibrations and transmission issues with it, I personally would grab the Royal Enfield Hunter 350 for 3,900 or maybe a Scram and save the extra 3k saved to spend on getting a better version of a full sized tourer of whatever floats your boat, sport, adventure, cruiser, whatever.
That's exactly what I plan on doing. I was an advanced rider until I had a motorbike crash 30 years ago. Havent ridden since. Now in my 50's I'm probably rusty, but slightly higher than a beginner and I'm looking at the Royal Enfield 350 classic to ride for a few summers, take the money I saved and put it toward a bigger better bike once I get comfortable again and want something with more grunt.
I understood the 180° p-twin in the ninja 400 as it feels a little more free revving, but now that they’re using p-twins in nakeds, cruisers, sport tourers and so on I can’t help but feel they’d be so much more satisfying with 270° cranks. The Pretend-V-Twins as I call them just feel so much more satisfying in those styles.
Honestly we need that 270° engine from Kawasaki, they are the only ones that stil push the 180° like it's a gold standard (which is not...).
@@sercio994Yup. Was choosing between a Versys 650 and a Tracer 700 and the Tracer won 100% due to the engine feel, both torque & vibes:
100% agree, 270 would made these bikes more desirable.
I suppose they wanted to reuse as many parts as possible from the 400 for cost, which is a shame as a 270 twin would really add to the psuedo-cruser vibe.
Not traditionally a cruiser guy, but I have to admit I love how this thing looks. If it had a 270 degree engine or anything with a bit more character Id probably think about one as a commuter
yeah a 270 degree crank would've made this an instant seller, that would've greatly increase the cost tho as that would be a separately new engine.
@@metalsadmancfmoto has a 450 cruiser coming out which is a bit more retro looking using a 270 degree crank
Having a more torquey ninja400 engine isnt really a cruiser engine but tbis is kinda a standard style with a cruizer fungshway anyway. Perhaps its a good commuter
chinese spy spotted@@chrispekel5709
It's a cruiser that revs up to 12k rpm. I'd say that's enough character.
Just want to give a shout out of appreciation for Zack. I just got back into riding and I absolutely love this series. Pay this man and keep him around a long time!
I wish they continued the 900 variant of this and somehow squeezed in the z900rs engine. I like the way this one looks a lot better
Agreed. Like yamaha has the mt07, mt09, mt10. I feel Kawasaki could do a similar thing with this... eliminator 400, 650, 900
Mt are naked sports bikes tho. Kawa has the z650 and the z900. The RSs especially the 900 are just naked sportsbikes are clad as a neoclassic but really sportsbikes in character.
I think its much more likely theyll make another z450 RS, a sporty neoclassic
@timonschneider6290 you can argue it can compete with the honda rebel which is selling very well.
Kawasaki already has the engines ready as well. It's current 450, the vulcans 650, the 900rs' 900.
I'd bet if they did it would sell
@@B-Rok88 yeah maybe. why not? i think it would depend a lot on whether they can integrate it into their production as well too. since there is a little bit of doubling in their own line up.
You think this looks better than the z900rs??🤯
Having owned my Z400 for 2 years, I can easily agree with the transmission issues you’re experiencing and it’s a shame the glitches haven’t been sorted for the new model. Norton makes a fix kit for the 400 series, but how much money and effort are most people going to spend on taking apart their transmission on what’s likely their first motorcycle? It’s a point of frustration I would say is a major weakness worthy of a full letter grade off an otherwise great package.
I have a 2021 Z400 and haven't had a single transmission issue or strange shifting behavior. Unfortunate to hear you're experiencing that.
Odd, had mine for 3 years before just recently selling...no issues. It isnot the smoothest but completely compitent. Now the first year clutch wear and slipping issue...that was real but it was corrected.
My 2024 eliminator has the most smooth shifting transmission I ever owned.
Nice to know that the "rev giggles" is a international thing for all motorcyclists I kinda use it as an indicator that the bikes are pretty good for the rider. btw rev giggles happen when you takeoff on a motorcycle quickly and laugh a little
Fan from Australia
52hp, 390 wet, 7k new. Solid numbers. Probably a great bike to learn or just commute on.
And to ride naked on .
This leaderboard section is epic, dude's on top of his game. What a pleasure to watch - thanks !
Daily Rider: Better than Saturday cartoons.
What I WANT to get at 40 years old as my first bike is a Harley FXR. But the more you talk about this bike the more I realize that it could be the perfect fit for me. It seems funny to me but it's "approachability" makes it really "tempting."
Love this review! I've been waiting for this to come out. In retrospect, it makes me wish I had waited to buy my Honda Rebel because I think this bike would have been perfect for me. On a side note, I appreciate someone seeing the good qualities in a motorcycle, even if it's not the style of bike they would have chosen. That's pretty awesome. 🙂
I've sat on the Eliminator and Vulcan S, and they are both very comfortable. Of I was going to get my first bike instead of looking for my second, I would seriously consider this bike. I don't like cruisers or this engine, but I like this bike.
That engine, in a Versys-X chassis, with a weight under 375lbs, a decent suspension, and a highway friendly 6th gear.
HELL.yes...!
Be a wonderful bike!
Kawasaki...
It's funny how I'm thoroughly entertained by your reviews, even if the bike doesn't interest me.
Been looking forward to an actual review of this, I’ve loved the past few years of small bikes.
That exhaust needs to be eliminated!
Lol... Good one 😂
Oh, that is the exhaust? I thought it was a heated bread box. :D
Love the exhaust! Nice and quiet and not boom box, fire cracking loud!
Yeah, I wish they would have put a z650 style exhaust on it.
The exhaust looks similar to that on the rebel 500s
Has nobody noticed the Mercedes Benz G wagon electric prototype at the 5:20 mark?
It had a side exhaust, NASCAR style. If you ain't first, you're last.
Ohhhhh I thought it was a disgusting wrap or something haha
Just bought this bike today its a really nice smooth bike :)
Dude, I’m surprised (pleasantly) that you can give such a fair review to a bike that isn’t your preferred style. I’m not sure I could be so detached and balanced! I guess balance is good for all riders, right! 😎 the vulcan 900 is my dream bike but intimidating in some ways. I’m going to return to riding after a looong hiatus. I think a 450 is a better place to start than a 900. Thanks for taking the time.
It's not hard to be unbiased , you just need enough brain power for that
@@nemanjap8768 I’d say more of a credit to judgement than straight up intellect. It’s not common practice in any case.
Bought one of these about four weeks ago and having a blast. Wish there were more accessories out there
This is the one that surprised me with it's looks when I visited a bike expo recently.
I went to see all kinds of other bikes but when I saw the Eliminator I had to try out the seat, bike looked reeeeeal nice and I was drawn to it.
I'm currently riding an XSR 125 and I love the retro style but also sport bike look and was looking to move up to a CBR500R but the Eliminator has made my choice difficult now.
Just wait ..it will happen thousands of times thru out your life now 😂, never stop riding fren !
Kawasaki rlly dropped the ball not throwing a 270 degree crank in that ninja engine. Its a huge trend rn and wud have gave that cruiser that v twin sound and feel. Itd have been perfect
Kawasaki aren't trend-chasers though.
Lol, yeah just throw it together on a weekend. 😅
And price go up as well
Seems like a Japanese Harley Street Rod. Awesome beginner bike and VERY approachable for female riders as well. Seems like a good way to round out the beginner options.
The 2000 125cc version of this was my MSF bike. It’ll always have a soft spot in my heart.
Im getting one tomorrow and after hearing all these good things I feel like a proud dad 😅
I'm a new rider and really like the z400s ergonomics. I haven't ridden it but it feels great. A 400cc is small for me though, I'm 6'2 217lbs and will be doing some highway riding. Since kawasaki is the most comfortable brand I've sat on I'm considering this or the Vulcan 650. Any thoughts?
My 250 Ninja is fine on the highway, loves 75-85mph. The 400 Ninja would be better, I would think.
The main difference among the three: Ninja - fairings block the wind and standard seating but limited luggage, Eliminator - standard seating and better luggage options, Vulcan S - feet forward and better luggage options and passenger capabilities.
Feet forward doesn't really allow you to weight your footpegs or lean off the bike around corners for stability.
You gotta figure out what works best for you of the differences.
However, Eliminator should be more than fine on the highway.
Zach its not that the mirrors are to small.....its that your biceps are so big... hope that makes your day m8.
Stop looking at your phones and go! Love that Zack even has his limits
My son just got one of these. Same spec. It's a great little beginner bike as well as fun for a seasoned rider like myself. It's surprising how flickable it is.
Just goes to show how stupid the name beginner bike is. What's a good beginner car or 18 wheel truck?
@aaaces01 What's your point? If you're trying to compare 18-wheelers and cars to motorcycles, you've lost the concept. As a parent of three, that taught all of my kids how to drive and prepare them to get their licenses, there actually are beginner cars. Usually, smaller, more economical, and affordable cars that are easy to drive and maneuver in all kinds of situations. All of my kids learned on a Toyota Corolla. It is a great car for a young beginning driver. But what a concept, an advanced experienced driver can actually drive the same thing. Same as a BEGINNER bike. But 18-wheelers? Seriously? A vehicle that requires class 3 licensing as a professional driver? Why don't you go ask a class 3 license instructor what a good beginner 18-wheeler is. I'm sure they have them.
Looking at this bike reminds me of the first time I sat on a motorcycle. It's nostalgic for me.
Got a 97 600 Eliminator in the shed. That Ninja 4 cyl is a screamer. I don't think this version is a improvement but it will stack up to the current offers.
How do the engine vibrations compare between the Kawasaki 400/450, 650, and the Honda 500? They are all 180 degree cranks. None sound good to me, but I'm still curious about the vibration.
I totally called it on 'TV Dinners' ! Great song that doesn't try too hard, a lot like that bike.
I came here to say the same! 😂
I went in to my local dealership today to look at a Rebel 500, and the salesman suggested I also look at the Eliminator after hearing about what I was wanting to do riding-wise. After throwing a leg over and getting comfortable, I realized I much preferred the almost-UJM riding position of the Eliminator to that of the Rebel.
I too have been riding an Eliminator 400 since last year.
I am happy with the ride and vibration characteristics, which are roughly as you have pointed out.
I think the flat design of the tank contributes a lot to the beauty of the design of this bike
The tank capacity is disappointing. Another weakness is that the fuel gauge is unreliable... I notice this weakness especially when riding long distances.
The high seat is an option and I highly recommend it, it changes the riding position and comfort a lot and makes it more like a naked bike (although the design is a bit worse)...
Thanks for the review! I enjoyed it very much! I don't think I'll ever be able to copy the wheelie, though...
Your videos are top notch. Your knowledge and passion of bikes makes every video a must watch.
The Eliminator really makes me think of my 80s Honda Nighthawk CB450. Not a cruiser, not a standard. Kawasakis modern mill has 10 more hp and 10more mpg than my 86 Nighthawk but everything Zack described about the Eliminators healing demeanor is how my Nighthawk is. Biggest difference is I only paid $300 for the Nighthawk 😊
As a big ZZ Top fan I love that question about their album! I had a feeling the choice would be TV Dinners. The first song I thought of was I Got The Six. The song is playful, mischievous and a bit naughty (the refrain says “I got the six now give me your nine”) 🤣
the whole album is oar sum 👍
Reminds me of my little old shadow 500. Rowdy little 50hp motor that’s not super fast but always down to have fun. With a super easy approachable riding position it’s the kind of bike that’s great to keep in the stable for when you want to put someone on a bike or just feel like riding something to its absolute limit without hitting the track
Is it a better version of the Honda CTX700? Or at least what Honda was trying to accomplish?
I love this series! thanks for the videos
Your guy (Zack) twice stated that this 500 motor was a 180º , but the manufacturer specs states it’s a 270º motor. And this is one of the reasons why I chose the Eliminator over the Rebel. I’d rather have the dash like on a Ninja but maybe I can retrofit it on. 🤔 The mirrors too. 🙄
I once owned a LTD440, that was a fun little bike from Kawasaki. Think it was sold as a Vulcan 500 or something like that in the US of A. At 6`1 tall it was just about enough big in size for me, bought it as a relapse bike cheap from a colleague after I quit motorcycling. So I did not quit, after all. Had a blast with it for a couple of seasons after which I upgraded to my current ride, also a Kawasaki. A Vulcan 750 from -95, still after 12 seasons on it in good condition. But I am getting older so a light bike like this would propably be enough, need to test one and see what I think. Thanks for this review, good work as always!
Nope, 440 LTD was also sold in the US. It was followed in 1985 by the 454 LTD which had a completely different motor, essentially half a Ninja 900 engine. The Vulcan 500 came later, about 1990, IIRC. It shared the engine from the Ninja 500.
I'm really happy you reviewed this motorcycle. I'd also like you to review the Vulcan S but this is probably close enough.
Was waiting for this daily ride, Kawasaki take of the middle to small cruiser, thanks again for an entertaining review on your way to work!
Nice bit of debris in between the lanes on the other side of the semi at 7:08. Glad you weren't splitting right there.
Thank you for your sharing 😁. I wonder how is the body position compares to Honda CMX500? (I'm 6feet2 same as you)
Thank you for posting .. was wanting to hear a tall rider's comments on the ergos.
Would love to hear his opinion of this versus the SCL500.
10:33 I have the same problem on my 2023 Yamaha MT 10. I can see the top of my forearms. I move my arm outward or take my hand off the bar and lift my arm to see behind me.
What a great minute examination of this bike, you covered all the points that are relevant to this potential buyer who can't get a rest ride himself. All the best and thankyou very much for your great work. Subscribed.
I ride a cruiser with forward controls. There ate passenger pegs. I usually ride solo. When I see a bump or whatnot, I drop the back pegs and squat on them. Not always convenient but does the trick. Spinals suck.
I wish to have all these bikes and open roads
+ music, a backpack with water and some food, heaven!
That bike has a sweet sound to it. I’ve always been a Kawasaki fan😎
love your giggle... thank you for this review, just looked at one yesterday
Is it better than a Rebel 500???
yes , try getting tires for the rebel ..
@@leeinwisodd tire size?
I guess for me, $6950 + 450 freight + tax and licensing (like 8k all in) just isn't entry level cheap. I think a new rider is crazy spending that kind of money on one of these new. I'd go RE classic or used XSR700 (I know not a cruiser). Both bikes have some personality and will be cheaper and IMO more fun in their own way.
Zack, this was a great watch. I'd love to see your take on a Versys X300 during a daily ride!
To me the versys X just has the wrong engine for the bike. It should have been more road oriented than it is. A larger torquier engine would suit it much better
@chrispekel5709 I can't say I agree with you. I've had one for a couple of years now, and it really lives up to its name. It's versatile. Does well on road, does well on mild off-road. With a few small changes it can be set up to do one or the other better, and parts are plentiful and relatively cheap. Would it be better with the 400 cc engine? Yes, it would but then it might cannibalize too many sales from the KLR650 and/or the Versys 650.
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Great video. Everything about this bike seems really cool and a easy bike to ride. But the lack of rumble, sound .....I can get over it. Might as well be a moped.
I would love to see the BMW R1250RS given the daily rider treatment. I own one, and can’t think of a better bike to, go quick, be comfortable, and ride with a smile on my face. Of course, it’s not for off road. I know you had the RT on the show before, but they truly are different beasts. Thanks in advance, and I’m looking forward to the next CTXP adventure!
I had been hoping for a retro "RS" or even Scrambler version of the Z400 like they did to the Z650 and Z900, but they came up with this cruiser which do not really suit the terrible road conditions in my country. Another down side is the lack of available after-market tires in these sizes as opposed to the plenty of choices for the comparable Honda Rebel. Plus side is that it is probably kinder on my bad knee ;-)
Z400 rs. Me too.
I'd like a z400 RR
A retro RS version would be nice, but the Eliminator already looks a bit like a standard. I'm not certain that they would sell enough RS models to justify making them. I suspect that a Versys 450 will be next.
Good point@@jfess1911
I had the same thought, but the more I look at it, the more I think about longer rear shocks to give a little lift to maybe the 30-31 " seat height .. worth considering I suppose.
I've always been split on positive neutral finder. It's certainly better than those extra shitty boxes where you shift back and forth between first and second six times trying to get neutral. Rode an old Aprilia Futura that was crazy bad. But my current Honda's box is so easy to use it would only be worse with PNF. Being able to go from second to neutral while moving is nice. (The other part of PNF is if you come to a stop in second and stomp down you go into neutral even if you aren't delicate, I think this is the part of the feature the screws up second to neutral when moving.)
I just sold my old 2011 ZX-6R and bought a new KTM Duke.. holy shit trying to find neutral for 5-10 times every single time and the clunkiness and hard shifts from the absolute garbage KTM transmission! I thought that was the worst possible farm implement trans, just before I tried a friend's Husqvarna Svartpilen, which was even worse than my Duke!! (even if it's basically the same KTM powertrain, they somehow managed to make it worse)
Kawi PNF FTW! The Honda (I had before the ZX6) tranny was fine, but I still think it would've been better if it had PNF.
Bro the size of that muffler is nuts! I thought the ones my Indian Scout came with were bad...
I know 90pct of the new bikes out now are ruined by the looks of the stock muffler, very few imo got the stock muffler looking decent to flow with the bike. It all gets swapped out anyway, maybe that's why sometimes they don't bother to design it nicely, they know the owners will change it out in most cases.
They have good looking sporty cruisers, I just wish they made versions with bigger engines.
Every year I’m looking for the Vulcan S H2r or something.
So it's pretty much a baby Vulcan S 650? The power to weight ratio might even make it a bit quicker? 400lbs x 52hp vs 500lbs x 61hp. The Vulcan also being a mash up "sport cruiser". I LOVE the Vulcan S, I know it's maybe a niche market but the sporty, high revving P-Twin in the comfy cruiser body and with very nimble handling is a lot of fun and the S and now this Eliminator are great bang for buck deals.
I think my wife would love one of these to replace her old Suzuki VS800 s50. Sounds like it makes the same power but is modern and a little lighter! Also she loves mid-pegs.
Some good quality television right here.
Wonder if that'd be a good bike for my 5'5" daughter to ride with a fairing across country. The low weight might be an issue in crosswinds would be my only concern since I'd immediately put a Corbin seat on it for her.
Could not choose between this and rebel 500. Your video helped me out. Thanks..
This is cheaper, lighter and has more features… and I’m a Honda guy
@@Sunandstar13I like Hondas 500 scrambler allot. Would be cool if kawasaki followed suit.
Rebel 500 vs this which one is better overall?
Zack, in every ride video you are constantly pushing a button on the controls with the thumb of your left hand. What control needs that much attention?
Turn signal
Great review especially when he had zero expectations of this bike. I have owned many bikes and as I have gotten older I wanted something small, light and more cruiser than sport bike. Recently owned a 22 Nightster which was a fun bike but plagued with electrical issues. Had an R3 prior and and MT03 after the Harley. My brother picked up a z400 and after driving it I enjoyed the power delivery over the 321cc. Sold the MT03 and recently picked up the Eliminator and for what it is a great bike. The aftermarket for the Ninja 400 is outstanding and hope that this bike will also garner the attention of those companies.
Is this btr then a honda rebel 500?
I'm not an expert (I'm looking at this as an option for my first bike), but the Japanese version of the Eliminator has a 399cc engine. I believe that's due to way motorcycle licensing works in Japan... 124cc is a small, 399cc is a standard or mid-sized bike. 400cc or greater is classed as a large motorcycle. I don't understand all the restrictions, but the larger bikes have fewer restrictions: Top speed, expressway access, but you need to be older to get it. Presumably it also costs more to obtain. Similarly, Australia has LAMS... the Learner Approved bikes... and the Honda Rebel 500 is LAMS compliant, but the Vulcan S has a restrictor added to bring it down to the permitted power/weight ratio. This means you are spending a lot of money for a hobbled bike, and to (officially) de-hobble it you need an engineering certificate, and once it's been de-hobbled, it can't be re-hobbled and be LAMS compliant. By pushing the Eliminator to 451cc outside of Japan, they get a bike that more effectively competes with the 471cc Honda Rebel in that "first bike that isn't a 250cc toy and that somebody would actually want to own for a few years" segment.
My 1st bike was an Eliminator 250. Great memories and a nostalgic nameplate for a 50 year old man. I would certainly consider adding it to the garage, but the price point is so competitive and the Z400 is just too much fun. So, yeah.....
I was wanting a Ninja 650, but really like the build/design and power in this bike
Good review Zack...looks to be a good little commuter bike, with an occasional weekend tour.
Still waiting for a Vulcan S review, or did I miss one?
Good to see a major motorcycle company tapping into the style and function
that a skilled DIYer would love to be able to fabricate in his weekend home garage.
My first thought about the gauge offset was that i really hate it.. but riding the eliminator you dont notice that actually... plus i appreciated it more when mounting your phone especially for navigation.. it doesnt block the panel very nice
is there any room under the seat to put wet gear
@@rikilamb nah. Only small items can fit