Messing with Lara's vocals is a crime. She worked all her life on her voice and still does. She is always very open about changes in her voice as she gets older and adapts her older songs to her current vocals. This was great video thanks
Lara is my favorite vocalist of all time. Her live performances are epic. Nothing to fix. Really interesting video, and thanks for making these points.
i was at part of the filming of this special here in Montreal and i can say beyond a shadow of a doubt she was live...she even sang each song a few times trying different things.
Indeed. There are/were two takes available on this platform of some of the songs. It takes a sensational, not to say exceptional, vocalist with technique and stamina, and patience, to do that. That was a long day...
I once sang an operatic aria live for a popular reality tv show. I performed it 6 times on the day of filming, and I KNOW that there were multiple takes that were great. When I saw the footage on tv months later, it had clearly been tuned. As singers, we no longer have control over this and it’s infuriating.
@@nichj487 Indeed, but I worry that FIL will discourage folks from watching TH-cam Videos of you (or anyone) which would be the exact Opposite result, yes? I have enough confidence in my own experience, eyes, and ears to know Master Class when I hear/see it, AT or not.
So True, and the fact that a REACTOR tells me I should care enough to change my opinion, behavior, and live in a vale of suspicion is also (ok if I plagiarize?), "just MINDBLOWING". The music industry does some nefarious things like literally "hiding" Legendary artists to protect their "Trinity". That's bad enough. Now that TH-cam brings awareness to lost treasures, I'm suppose to not trust my own eyes and ears. Screwed again.
@@mkevincopI don't think this has any effect on my utter awe & enjoyment of Fabian. First, what was done to this concert was actually pretty subtle, relatively speaking. Certainly compared to what is done today. Second, it has long been my theory that it is this exact reason that so many of her most devoted fans prefer her *live performances 1000x more than the official recordings. I could hear the loss of color & the flattening out of the depth of her songs on those official releases that has disturbed me though I didn't have the technical know-how or software to test the theory myself.
@DoggieFosters I'm one of them. Good For YOU!. You certainly don't need anyone or anything to know she is The RING. I think it's pretty safe to trust your eyes and ears.
6:20 How any producer (or anyone else for that matter) could listen to that outstanding vocal performance and decide “I must fix this” is beyond ridiculous.
Our family recently just did a Christmas concert in a hall with pipe organ+harpsichord+harp and orchestra. No mics, just pure unfiltered acoustic sound. I loved the sound so much, found it so refreshing and alive
I've heard hundreds of "The RINGS" Vocal in many LIVE concerts and hundreds of REACTION videos of Vocal Instructors with 10X the Subscriber Base as TW and FIL combined. If you can't feel the emotion pouring out of "THE Queen" in every consonant, you are very unique. Sorry about that. I unfortunately have the "FabiaVirus" and there is no cure.
All I’m getting from this video is that Lara, as expected, sounds even better without pitch-correction. So thanks, Fil, for showing her singing the way she always does in her concerts, ABSOLUTELY LIVE. I’m ecstatic that I’m going to see her live soon enough (June) in London. 🙌🏻 Can’t wait!
@ I don’t know where you’re from, but she said in an interview that she’s planning to expand the tour to America. She even mentioned Brazil. So, maybe the U. S. will get some dates as well. But there’s nothing confirmed yet. She’s still working on it.
Her voice is sublime - this being one of the best renditions of this wonderful song - ruined by the producer who believes he can improve it through technology. Don't stop Fil. We rely on your honesty and fairness.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee that show was supposed to be broadcasting on USA TV.. Before it did happen, Lara broke her contract with them. In order to sabotage her, the AMI also didn't broadcast this show at all, or only very late in the night on TV.
Perhaps because English is not my first language, I can hear in your tone your deep despair about this 'industry' development. I appreciate your conscientious work and hope you will not give up. I try to make your concerns clear to friends and unfortunately too often observe indifference: "so what".
I've tried having conversations online with musicians/producers and I am usually met with the same defeatist attitude, "it is what it is" ... I think a lot of it has to do with the idea that the instruments are the best part of any recording and the vocals are just there because... :) When I've actually asked a singer if she uses pitch correction she answered by saying that she's never been asked that before and was wondering what prompted me to ask and if I had asked other singers ... she said she tries to do in the studio what she can do live ... We have a very, very uphill battle ahead if we hope to make any change at all in how the music industry as a whole thinks of digital pitch correction and all the rest. But, it's a fight worth all of our collective efforts!
The Music Industry largely determines what you get exposed to, what and who you get to be a fan of. TH-cam and “Most” REACTORS (Content Providers) bring awareness of lost treasures that you may completely miss. If it weren’t for YT I’d know nothing about Dimash, John Farnham, Lara “The RING”Fabian, “Babs” after decades of not singing in public, SoHyang, Pentatonix, Home Free, Caroline Campbell, Tina Guo, William Joseph, it’s a very long never ending list. I’d prefer keeping YT free of noise and mindless distractions.
@@mkevincop I would also suggest checking out singers in the Philippines, they are some of the best in the world including my favorite, Jona Viray, and also Morissette Amon, Klarisse De Guzman, and 15-year-old Carmela Lorzano.
@@Dragon-Believer It’s cheating for bad and average singers. And it makes the performance of good singers worse. So in the end they sound just like the bad singers. The excellent singers get cheated the most actually. They are the ones that have practiced their behinds off, but you can’t hear it, because some producers decided to drag their vocals to the same spot that a bad singer‘s vocals get dragged to. And then they sound almost the same. Like a computer. Though excellent singers will still sound a little better, because they were more accurate to begin with and don’t have to be dragged that far, they will not sound as good as before, because pitch correction removes emotion as well. (Not a problem for the bad singers that didn’t sing with emotion to begin with. Another dimension they level the playing field. ) 😅 Edit: Ok I was exaggerating a little. Excellent singers have many more skills than pitch accuracy, that don’t get impacted that much by pitch correction. But the pitch correction might take the focus away from all those accomplishments. For no reason. 😭 I like your name by the way. 😊
@@EllaSilentDragon yeah. I don't think pitch correction will make anyone a great singer. It's the sound of the voice. Have you heard Suisei? She's a Vtuber but actually turning into a big time musical artist. I like the tone of her voice.
_'Leave the Bee Gees alone!'_ , _'leave the Eagles alone!'_ ... the lunatic recording label bigwigs are combing through the aforementioned artists' catalogs and those of many more to see how they can "improve" upon vocal performances of lore already acknowledged as top tier using their modern-day tools of ignorance
I can't say I enjoyed the video but I do appreciate it and love you for doing it. Her original performance is simply stunning. I just can't understand why anyone would pollute it this way. The imperfection IS the perfection. No one else, ever, could deliver that performance. Not even her. And that's the point I suppose. Even she couldn't do it exactly the same way again; and I suspect she wouldn't want to because she would be a different person on the day she next performed. Of course it would be different. We aren't digital copies of humans. We're humans. Ugh. Now I'm going to go cry into my vodka at what has been lost because of this madness.
@@M2Texas What has been lost? What has changed? L’Amérique a perdu The Queen une fois à cause d’une manipulation de l’industrie musicale qui vous a largement empêché de savoir quoi que ce soit à son sujet. > 95% de tous les REACTEURS ont admis "si ce n'était pas TH-cam, je n'aurais jamais entendu parler de Lara Fabian". Cette fois, vous pouvez choisir si vous laissez ces déchets vous protéger à nouveau.
Exactly. I go to live performances FOR the differences of expression on that day. I actually love the "imperfections" because they are what make that performance unique and worth watching and paying for.
There is another recording of this song, during the rehearsal for this show, made also from the public audience. She delivered again a stelar performance, with some variations. Check it out..
@@soringrigoras6062 Lara never sings any song the same way, she’s a highly emotional singer/performer. And that’s how we, fans, know she’s singing live. There are tons of fan cams of her performances. If you search for “Le Secret” concert, which was never televised, you’ll find a whole brilliant show. So, I guess I can only thank for cellphones having so great cameras nowadays. 🙌🏻
Thank you for this. I am a Lara fanatic. I was a bit miffed at the previous video, but listening to what you are saying I understand that she is amazing, but that some guy visually decided what her performance should have looked like and changed it unnecessarily.
@mkevincop Not really, she still sounds great. But from now on I‘ll just get sad, that someone took the even better performance from us and replaced it with an inferior one. 😭 TV shows that pitch correct her and other excellent singers are pure evil! What makes singers like Lara great is not only their pitch accuracy, but so much control over their techniques, their breathing, their runs and dynamics and the emotional delivery. You can’t remove all of that with pitch correction. But it’s still sad if all that skillful delivery gets overshadowed sometimes by that tinny sound of a producer messing with the voice. Why? 😭
@ Exactly! I don’t think it’s possible to hear The RING, La Rein sing anything and be sad unless her storytelling (as it often does) and Lyrics are intended to do so. You don’t go away from her Live performances just feeling impressed, you feel included and different knowing you have just witnessed something very unique, a Master Class. What pisses me off is this techno trivia has made you feel sad for nothing that materially matters, nothing that can possibly overshadow all those things you AND I BOTH listed as what DOES matter.
@@mkevincop Here it might be barely audible, but sometimes it is audible when producers start to really apply the software to great singer’s voices for effects. They make it audible on purpose! And they feel emboldened when people don’t complain and use more and more each time. (Because it sounds modern or is a standard or whatever the excuse) 🤦♀️
Assuming a note bend should be centered on pitch is a fundamental misunderstanding of music. Some bends will be centered, but others will be referenced to the top or bottom of the range. A guitar string bend is referenced to the bottom pitch (unbent string). A guitar tremolo is (usually) referenced to the top pitch. Voices do the same thing, either bending down in pitch or up, or back and forth across the reference pitch. It's all about the context.
Yes, thanks. The pitch correction is bad enough but the producers visually pushing notes onto the lines do not fundamentally understand music. Equal temperament is just a hack so that instruments like the piano can play in any key and always sound reasonably in tune. When listening and playing melodically some notes will be pushed a shade higher, some a shade lower. In a scale you might even play the same note differently on the way up the scale than you do on the way down. Pushing everything onto arbitrary pitch lines and time grids is taking all the feel and emotion out of music.
Lara F will appreciate your responsible videos about the great singer that she is. She is such a nice person with a great reflexion on the artistic world, for so many years I'm touched by her extraordinary voice and talent.
Fil is not messing with her voice at all. Actually he just said that she has a great voice and perfect pitch, but a producer a year later wanted to hijack her performance.. Her performance was great and accurate, and there wasn't at all a need to correct it.
I always wanted you to do a review of Lara Fabian. But, besides her wonderful tonal control, I wanted you to review how she is able to convey emotion so much better than many other singers.
Great analysis Fil! Artists should start getting in their contract that producers aren't allowed to alter their voices without permission. It won't happen of course...
@@elizabethmiller7291 Recording artist: you are to stop pitch correcting what I record. Recording exec: says who? Recording artist: I say so. Recording exec: Do you like your contract? If you do then sit down and shut your mouth, We made you a star and we can destroy you in the snap of of a finger.
I can't sing for to save my life, but a mate and I did an album of covers for sh!ts and giggles a handful of years ago and felt the need to pitch correct one of my vocals. It honestly sounded better being less perfect. Cheers for another great video Fil.
Wait a few months and we will have an AI generated Lara. I don't care what they do, nothing will change my quest to use my own eyes and ears to view a Legend.
Thank you for doing this. Lara Fabian does not need this at all. The Kelly Clarkson Show started using tuning a season or 2 ago, and she’s in her best vocal shape in her whole career at 42. She’s a master vocalist too, it’s so disappointing that someone in the background would do something like this to her. Kelly nor Lara would EVER want this
I never in my life heard a song so beautiful live performed as Lara's 'Je suis malade'. What they did to her voice here is heartbreaking. It literally brought a tear in my eyes
Some time ago, Rick Beato made a video How Auto-Tune DESTROYED Popular Music, where he made the clear statement that all sort of music genres are poisoned by autotune, pitch correction, tempo correction, and all kind of software "enhancements" ad-ins. Regular music consumer does not even realize it. That man have such a great year :D . This is applicable even in Metal / Rock or Fusion music, and so on, since 20-15 years, with the result that almost everything sounds mechanically perfect and sooner than later all music will be easily made by AI. If I remember well, he made a discussion in some videos about how common is the use of backing track in live performances, even for big rock / Metal bands. And that has the same effect on public sensitivity for real Live music. Simply because the human expression has been eliminated or heavily altered in whatever is today's Popular music, and is accepted by the large public, even appreciated, AI made music will be easily accepted too. This is just the beginning of the end my friends. Probably human composed and played/singed music will move to a niche in one generation, like Jazz. The Music industry is killing his golden goose. I am not some sort of Nostradamus, but I am not optimistic for the future. I am cut off from Pop Music, but I have sometimes my guilty pleasures. I am here because I have recently discovered this gem ( this broadcasted show that is not sold as a record ) crafted by Lara Fabian. I was willfully ignoring her music since 20 years because Diva Pop is not my cup of tea . Even altered, as is seems to be , there is still so much personal touch, nuance and artistry of the interpretation left in those performances from this show ( I am familiar with the originals of the covered songs from France and Italy ) on top of her refined vocal technical prowess. Now I feel privileged, thank you Lara and thank you YT.
About the time CD/LP/cassette sales peaked in1999, sensitive ear-buds (lots of dB per mW) which allowed very high volume from portable devices became the norm. The reaction was legislation to limit the output of said devices (voltage and current). The music industry's answer was to compress the snot of everything they released to max out RMS (overall) volume and rob all music of crescendos and dynamics, even to the point of obnoxious distortion. This was "the Loudness War" (ETA >> another 'industry standard') and it signalled the beginning of the end of recorded music as an art form. The end has arrived in the form of the new "industry standard" for digital pitch-correction of voices such that they don't sound human anymore. I've quoted the song before - _"I saw Satan laughing with delight, the day the music died"._
This seems like nonsense. The loudness war originated with the need to stand out on jukeboxes and radio in the 60s and 70s, pushing producers to increase the volume of their tracks. Overcompression sacrifices dynamics, resulting in dull, static music with distortions. Online platforms like Spotify have tried to address loudness discrepancies, putting more pressure on music makers to reduce the loudness of tracks. The solution is for artists to prioritize sound quality and dynamic range over extreme loudness to create more enjoyable music. The advent of CDs and digital recording allowed for even more aggressive loudness increases through tools like compressors
I agree. The loudness war started in 1990 with dynamic compression and by 1999 music sounded so harsh and shrill it's no longer pleasant to listen to. Why everyone wanted to jump on the train to use this technology baffles me!?
The loudness wars were fought on radio. It was a direct response to the rise of FM radio over AM. Only when FM radio acended to take over music did compression make sense- the way the signal was modulated did not change with FM but would have on AM. You can overmodulate an AM signal with too much compression in a way you cannot on FM.
Went to Billy Strings show in Austin last weekend...live as it can get...and he was absolutely spot on bro.. if u can do it live once, you can do it again live maybe even better..happy holidays,...your eye opening presentations are needed...❤
I posted this on another video but it might have been lost in the comments. I have a friend who’s a world class orchestra musician and was paid to play with Tina Guo (cellist) and Jonathon Antoine (singer) in a televised broadcast of his performance of Empty Chairs at Empty Tables which can be found on TH-cam. Tina and Jonathon performed live to a backing track while the musicians were paid to mime.
That's usually because it's easier to mix that kind of track for the audience through speakers and just have the singers live. There's nothing wrong with that and it's common for TV performances.
Thanx Fil. As a french guy, I've been exposed to both Celine and Lara. Honestly my heart goes to Lara. I appreciate you expose the industry tweaking what was already great vocal performances, as well as stars cheating audiences, like Taylor Swift does. As for Lara, her voice is very powerful and she loves to "drop" (not litterally) her mic and sing for her audience like a Classical singer would do. I don't think it deserves a video, because as you've seen, she's close enough to being pitch perfect. But if you wanna hear for yourself, go get it^^ Now : why do producers want to have vocals that are so close to perfection go to total perfection? Isn't that the ultimate question?
@@eXCess9 because they have to justify their job and can’t leave well enough alone. Have t a clue who Lara Fabian is, but she’s got a nice voice. Not Karen Carpenter class, but decent enough.
Fil, another excellent, well-articulated explanation. I like how you say her "expression takes you on a journey." In another analysis video you say it's the "increments of expression" that we lose through pitch correction. Your often poetic descriptions help us non-musicians understand. Thank you! Rock!
As a lover of all kinds of music living in Germany, when I want to hear a great voice, the nearest opera house is never more than an hour or two away. If you employ electronic means of recording and transmitting, and give someone the job of processing the signal in between, they will do “something”.
Dear Phil, thank you for this video. I have attended a Lara Fabian concert, and she was ill, and still, she sounded great. I have my ticket for 28 November 2025 in Geneva. I asked ChatGPT about what you said, and here is its response, which I would say “aligns with” the concept you have rightly repeated so many times: This trend is not only disrespectful but also counterproductive. Artists like Lara Fabian have built their careers on emotional honesty and unparalleled vocal ability. To alter their work for the sake of some perceived ideal of "perfection" undermines the very qualities that make them extraordinary. What can we do about this? Raising awareness is one step. Fans and artists alike need to push back against these practices and demand greater respect for authenticity. The industry needs to trust the power of real, unaltered performances-and recognize that true art doesn’t need to be "fixed." That is what you do, Phil! Raising awareness! Amen!
Were you at the same concert as me, in Geneva 2022? She really didn't feel well, talking almost didn't work at all, but she could still sing very well, just not all the high notes, she had to leave them to her background singers. She really gave everything but the concert was unfortunately quite short.
@@danielakeller7532 Yes, Geneva 2022! I was there on the second night she performed. I was the only one wearing a mask! 😀 She chose to leave out the most vocally demanding songs, such as "Caruso" or "Broken vow". But it's still a miracle that she managed to sing at all with a respiratory infection. Most artists would have cancelled. She didn't! We love you, Lara! 🥰😍🤩
@MarcoCallas Exactly, i was there the first night and yes unfortunately she had to leave out many of my favorite songs. It is still admirable that she did all the concerts, perhaps also because they were postponed countless times because of Covid. Yes, we love you Lara🥰
This is exactly what happened to Aretha Franklin with her last album. The "engineer" thought it would be great to... "pitch correct her" and she has no idea about the tuning in the interview when asked outright. It's astonishing the audacity of producers and engineers is astounding!
I saw Travis this week at Eastbourne. Totally live. They restarted a song because Fran forgot the lyrics (he wrote). Ad libbed throughout and was an absolutely brilliant gig. No pitch control, just a band playing their music (very well).
Some/most producers have no business to be a music producer ... they have zero idea what music IS 😢 Lara is fabulous and her voice should never get "corrected" 😮
Lara Fabian is arguably the best singer of her generation - or any generation, for that matter. The fact that a producer thinks that they have to ‘fix’ her singing is hilarious
Not hilarious, but utterly depressing. I've always preferred an imperfect voice over autotune. Lara is far from imperfect, so soul destroying to mess with such an amazing performance.
It's preposterous to imagine that by tweaking a few buttons, Lara's voice will be 'improved'. She's a true artist who acts as well as sings her glorious music.
In order to clarify something, I guess that people is posting comments here without watching the video at all or listening at what FIL is explaining. The title is "Producers can break a great vocal performance"! Plus, he is highlighting how good is her voice and how great is her pitch. FIL himself says it was a great live performance.( 11.40 listen at his analysis of her voice and opinion ) He is not saying it was on lipsync or miming. It was absolutely live and well done. That it was absolutely accurate. Then the USA producers one year later, before the broadcast on TV, decided to intervene.. Alterating the real true deliver and interpretation of the artist..that it was hijacked!. And listen carefully at his words, not a singer, but a producer did it. Did they need to do it???? Why it's such a common thing? That's the point of it all.. Some of you is getting the wrong message...
Unfortunately it doesn't matter how clearly Fil makes his points, there will always be commenters who get angry and swear he's saying the exact opposite. Comprehension skills are often lacking in those leaving heated comments. Such is life on the internet!😉
Turns out Melanie Safka was being prophetic, when in 1970 she sang: Look what they've done to my song, Ma Look what they've done to my song Well it's the only thing I could do half right And it's turning out all wrong, Ma Look what they've done to my song
You continue to bring a thought out well versed opinion to the table. The "producer" effect that you expose reminds me of the application, by Neil DeGrasse Tyson, of the Dinnin-Kruger effect when he says that a problem facing society is when people know enough about something to think they are right and not enough to know they are wrong. When business sees any medium as a means of enterprise it fails the medium when it only sees it through the limited grasp of the business view. While Lara suffered at the typical hands of the industry "producers" as they laboured to fit her into the frame they understood, I acknowledge your insight into The Warning and how they have retained control and design of their image and content. I've said of them that they negotiated for seven months before signing with Lava and they continue their practice of releasing songs to fans before they are released by the label. This is a sign of a real partnership in the interest of both parties and hopefully will become a "business model" promoted in business classes in the future. Keep up the earnest effort you are a sincere model for other reaction channels. Take Care David
This is so weird! After watching your Wicked vid I went on to watch Tim’s. I never heard of him before that although I’ve followed you for years! Now…the world collides. Me in SoCal watching you and Tim. My, my! 💜💙❤️💛
As someone who has worked with and around tools all their life, I have observed that if someone has a cool tool, they're going to find a way and a place to use it
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee I've was gifted a piece of beautiful red Pipestone from North Dakota, that I've been holding for 20yrs. Your comment reminded me that I need to get the Dremel out and make that bowl
Thanks Fil for another excellent report. It’s a tragedy that everything has to be shifted, corrected and overproduced. All part of music being primarily a product now produced by risk averse business types who always seem to know better…
I follow your channel, hoping that one day the Industry will understand what music lovers want: integrity, emotion and connection with an artist in "live" performance. And is a lack of trust from producers towards artists and a way to control them.
As a child in France I recall that performances on TV were always on 'playback'. So I guess it is quite expected on TV show. However, for live performances on a stage, definitely expect live singing!
Too often context is missing here. Many TV appearances are featuring or selling a particular recorded song and artist. So many recorded songs cannot be replicated. On a TV show. For example So many Motown songs involved complex production in the studio. Try and imagine any Supremes or Four Tops song performed on television without the layers of effects and instruments that makeup the record version. Recreating Phil Spector’s “wall of sound” in a TV studio…
Thanks for a wonderful and thorough analysis on Lara Fabian's vocals and the music industry's standard of selective deafness. It's obvious that a singer's artistic expression and precision means nothing. The music industry relies on its "must directly hit the lines" obsession despite PROOF that applying pitch correction RUINS the sound. I think Beethoven with his worsening deafness could have noticed this butchering. Fil, thanks for remaining true to the music & for being YOU!
Unfortunately, this only stains the singer's image and not the producer's. That's why i prefer videos from the audience, specially from singer like Lara that can definitely SING. These big productions are always sus...
In germany we have a word for that: verschlimmbessern. To make something worse by trying to make it better. Seems thats all mainstream producers these days...
So you go to a famous restaurant for the experience of a specific chef. And the Maitre D switches out the sauces and garnishes. We choose to pay the chef.
I wonder what they did with "Je Suis Malade" from the same concert - which has a lot of spoken phrases, and is probably her most reacted to performance. It's a moving performance even after the producers got through with it.
Its thought provoking but there are hundreds of songs in concerts from this one, "Nue", "En Tout Intimite" that are Legendary. Just Get to know her and this AT stuff will not prevent you from discovering a Legend called "THE RING".
It turns out that only independent artists can control what's done to their music before release. If I were vocalist, this would make me hesitate before making a deal. Of course you can't get big internationally televised concerts as an independent artist.
@@k.vn.k So are you saying that he doesn't hand over control of the production of the big concerts he does to someone else? I find that hard to believe.
Just listened to a Jerry Cantrell interview with Rick B - he summarised your very point on Zep and Floyd all the bad mics- amp noise if you really dissect but when you add up that’s what makes them unique and magnificent- quote “it’s not got to be perfect but have the right vibe “
Fil, I appreciate your balanced presentation of the facts and your lack of name calling. So I'll do it for you. Many of these re-tuning producers are idiots who can't 'hear' music. These musicless corrections are taking all the nuance, character, unique swagger, strut and grace out of what are Brilliant performances. So many singers push sharp and pull flat to deliberately enhance the emotional delivery of their Craft. Imagine taking sandpaper to a master work because you think the carpenter should have done it differently, so many analogies to describe the desecration of an artists intentions. I'd say more about these 'people', but that would be an insult to perfectly good arseholes everywhere.
@@EllaSilentDragon I heard the same thing about a painting by Michelangelo - someone felt that there was a blank space in his painting, so he tried to “fix” it using a great AI tool.
When I go to the market I buy some very nice apples, big, shiny... I live in a land of apples, the ones around here have a very ugly appearance in general, but sometimes they fall on the road and I really like to pick one and take it home. My whole house smells like apples for a few days, but three kilos of shiny apples don't even aromatize the basket they're in... The thing is that we're forgetting what apples taste like and how they smell. You understand me.
Imagine Cass Elliott, Etta James, Patsy Cline, Sam Cooke, Nat King Cole, and (as mentioned below) Karen Carpenter’s voices all being monkeyed with after they record-I’m glad I lived to hear them before this madness started.
It as if there's a campaign to get as many as possible 'mentally tuned' to the even tempered frequency in preparation for building their busy bee hive controlled society where everyone sounds like Android machines with no soul that cares. Keep up the great work Fil❤
Messing with Lara's vocals is a crime. She worked all her life on her voice and still does. She is always very open about changes in her voice as she gets older and adapts her older songs to her current vocals. This was great video thanks
I am a singer. Thank you for giving me permission to be imperfect and real.
So she has world class precision naturally, a fantastic voice, but someone thought she had to be fixed instead of praised... This is crazy
Lara is my favorite vocalist of all time. Her live performances are epic. Nothing to fix. Really interesting video, and thanks for making these points.
i was at part of the filming of this special here in Montreal and i can say beyond a shadow of a doubt she was live...she even sang each song a few times trying different things.
You are a lucky man.
@@gabyticona534 Jealous!
Indeed. There are/were two takes available on this platform of some of the songs. It takes a sensational, not to say exceptional, vocalist with technique and stamina, and patience, to do that. That was a long day...
I once sang an operatic aria live for a popular reality tv show. I performed it 6 times on the day of filming, and I KNOW that there were multiple takes that were great. When I saw the footage on tv months later, it had clearly been tuned. As singers, we no longer have control over this and it’s infuriating.
@@nichj487 Indeed, but I worry that FIL will discourage folks from watching TH-cam Videos of you (or anyone) which would be the exact Opposite result, yes? I have enough confidence in my own experience, eyes, and ears to know Master Class when I hear/see it, AT or not.
The fact that a producer heard her incredible voice and went "this must be fixed" is just MINDBLOWING
So True, and the fact that a REACTOR tells me I should care enough to change my opinion, behavior, and live in a vale of suspicion is also (ok if I plagiarize?), "just MINDBLOWING". The music industry does some nefarious things like literally "hiding" Legendary artists to protect their "Trinity". That's bad enough. Now that TH-cam brings awareness to lost treasures, I'm suppose to not trust my own eyes and ears. Screwed again.
@@mkevincopI don't think this has any effect on my utter awe & enjoyment of Fabian. First, what was done to this concert was actually pretty subtle, relatively speaking. Certainly compared to what is done today. Second, it has long been my theory that it is this exact reason that so many of her most devoted fans prefer her *live performances 1000x more than the official recordings. I could hear the loss of color & the flattening out of the depth of her songs on those official releases that has disturbed me though I didn't have the technical know-how or software to test the theory myself.
@DoggieFosters I'm one of them. Good For YOU!. You certainly don't need anyone or anything to know she is The RING. I think it's pretty safe to trust your eyes and ears.
@@mkevincop Does "GFY" mean something other than its most well known meaning? Because I can't comprehend your use of it here with its usual meaning...
@ Good For You.
Great comparative analysis. Thank you Fil. I'm tired of producers ruining music.
6:20 How any producer (or anyone else for that matter) could listen to that outstanding vocal performance and decide “I must fix this” is beyond ridiculous.
Our family recently just did a Christmas concert in a hall with pipe organ+harpsichord+harp and orchestra. No mics, just pure unfiltered acoustic sound. I loved the sound so much, found it so refreshing and alive
I wish we could go back to real LIVE vocals and hear all of the expression it was meant to convey!
I've heard hundreds of "The RINGS" Vocal in many LIVE concerts and hundreds of REACTION videos of Vocal Instructors with 10X the Subscriber Base as TW and FIL combined. If you can't feel the emotion pouring out of "THE Queen" in every consonant, you are very unique. Sorry about that. I unfortunately have the "FabiaVirus" and there is no cure.
All I’m getting from this video is that Lara, as expected, sounds even better without pitch-correction. So thanks, Fil, for showing her singing the way she always does in her concerts, ABSOLUTELY LIVE. I’m ecstatic that I’m going to see her live soon enough (June) in London. 🙌🏻 Can’t wait!
@@raquelra5878 Paris December 2025.
@@raquelra5878 I'm envious. I've liked a lot of artists in my long life, but Fabian & Sarah Vaughan are the two that absolutely stun & enchant me.
@ I don’t know where you’re from, but she said in an interview that she’s planning to expand the tour to America. She even mentioned Brazil. So, maybe the U. S. will get some dates as well. But there’s nothing confirmed yet. She’s still working on it.
Her voice is sublime - this being one of the best renditions of this wonderful song - ruined by the producer who believes he can improve it through technology.
Don't stop Fil. We rely on your honesty and fairness.
The job of the producer is to improve the sales, not the artistic merit.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee spoken like a true breadhead.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee that show was supposed to be broadcasting on USA TV.. Before it did happen, Lara broke her contract with them. In order to sabotage her, the AMI also didn't broadcast this show at all, or only very late in the night on TV.
@@MGrayl-ib5fo Everything I need to know about today's pop I can get from the Wall Street Journal.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee then he'd be disappointed to learn that after a lifetime of buying music, I stopped doing so thanks to the use of auto-tune!
Perhaps because English is not my first language, I can hear in your tone your deep despair about this 'industry' development. I appreciate your conscientious work and hope you will not give up. I try to make your concerns clear to friends and unfortunately too often observe indifference: "so what".
@@rainerwaansinn We All can hear the tone
You write in English better than most people who only know English.
I've tried having conversations online with musicians/producers and I am usually met with the same defeatist attitude, "it is what it is" ... I think a lot of it has to do with the idea that the instruments are the best part of any recording and the vocals are just there because... :)
When I've actually asked a singer if she uses pitch correction she answered by saying that she's never been asked that before and was wondering what prompted me to ask and if I had asked other singers ... she said she tries to do in the studio what she can do live ...
We have a very, very uphill battle ahead if we hope to make any change at all in how the music industry as a whole thinks of digital pitch correction and all the rest. But, it's a fight worth all of our collective efforts!
The Music Industry largely determines what you get exposed to, what and who you get to be a fan of. TH-cam and “Most” REACTORS (Content Providers) bring awareness of lost treasures that you may completely miss. If it weren’t for YT I’d know nothing about Dimash, John Farnham, Lara “The RING”Fabian, “Babs” after decades of not singing in public, SoHyang, Pentatonix, Home Free, Caroline Campbell, Tina Guo, William Joseph, it’s a very long never ending list. I’d prefer keeping YT free of noise and mindless distractions.
@@mkevincop I would also suggest checking out singers in the Philippines, they are some of the best in the world including my favorite, Jona Viray, and also Morissette Amon, Klarisse De Guzman, and 15-year-old Carmela Lorzano.
Nothing tops the live vocals of an extraordinary vocalist
If live vocals are better then there is no problem. Either autotune is cheating. Or it makes songs worse. It can't logically be both.
@@Dragon-Believer It’s cheating for bad and average singers. And it makes the performance of good singers worse. So in the end they sound just like the bad singers.
The excellent singers get cheated the most actually.
They are the ones that have practiced their behinds off, but you can’t hear it, because some producers decided to drag their vocals to the same spot that a bad singer‘s vocals get dragged to. And then they sound almost the same. Like a computer.
Though excellent singers will still sound a little better, because they were more accurate to begin with and don’t have to be dragged that far, they will not sound as good as before, because pitch correction removes emotion as well. (Not a problem for the bad singers that didn’t sing with emotion to begin with. Another dimension they level the playing field. ) 😅
Edit: Ok I was exaggerating a little. Excellent singers have many more skills than pitch accuracy, that don’t get impacted that much by pitch correction. But the pitch correction might take the focus away from all those accomplishments. For no reason. 😭
I like your name by the way. 😊
Who’s the extraordinary vocalist?
@@SuppressiveSquirrel Is that you Squirrel? I wondered when you would crawl out of your nest to spew hate.
@@EllaSilentDragon yeah. I don't think pitch correction will make anyone a great singer. It's the sound of the voice. Have you heard Suisei? She's a Vtuber but actually turning into a big time musical artist. I like the tone of her voice.
We need to start a movement. Leave Lara Alone! I’ve watched a lot of this lady sing. She is extraordinary!
Very well and succinctly said. "The Queens" movement is already VAST.
_'Leave the Bee Gees alone!'_ , _'leave the Eagles alone!'_ ... the lunatic recording label bigwigs are combing through the aforementioned artists' catalogs and those of many more to see how they can "improve" upon vocal performances of lore already acknowledged as top tier using their modern-day tools of ignorance
I have that Lara Fabian CD and love it!!! That song always made me feel sad because she sang the lyrics so well, WITH EXPRESSION!!! ❤❤❤
It's possible that the cd is pitch corrected as well. And Lara is my absolute favorite. This is very disturbing.
@abc456f yes I understand. I just love her voice.
I can't say I enjoyed the video but I do appreciate it and love you for doing it. Her original performance is simply stunning. I just can't understand why anyone would pollute it this way. The imperfection IS the perfection. No one else, ever, could deliver that performance. Not even her. And that's the point I suppose. Even she couldn't do it exactly the same way again; and I suspect she wouldn't want to because she would be a different person on the day she next performed. Of course it would be different. We aren't digital copies of humans. We're humans. Ugh. Now I'm going to go cry into my vodka at what has been lost because of this madness.
@@M2Texas What has been lost? What has changed? L’Amérique a perdu The Queen une fois à cause d’une manipulation de l’industrie musicale qui vous a largement empêché de savoir quoi que ce soit à son sujet. > 95% de tous les REACTEURS ont admis "si ce n'était pas TH-cam, je n'aurais jamais entendu parler de Lara Fabian". Cette fois, vous pouvez choisir si vous laissez ces déchets vous protéger à nouveau.
Exactly. I go to live performances FOR the differences of expression on that day. I actually love the "imperfections" because they are what make that performance unique and worth watching and paying for.
@ Exactly. This is noise that should Never be allowed to impact who you admire or how you admire them. It is NO reflection on their brilliance.
There is another recording of this song, during the rehearsal for this show, made also from the public audience. She delivered again a stelar performance, with some variations. Check it out..
@@soringrigoras6062 Lara never sings any song the same way, she’s a highly emotional singer/performer. And that’s how we, fans, know she’s singing live. There are tons of fan cams of her performances. If you search for “Le Secret” concert, which was never televised, you’ll find a whole brilliant show. So, I guess I can only thank for cellphones having so great cameras nowadays. 🙌🏻
Thank you for this. I am a Lara fanatic. I was a bit miffed at the previous video, but listening to what you are saying I understand that she is amazing, but that some guy visually decided what her performance should have looked like and changed it unnecessarily.
You, sir, are a hero-crusader.
And I thank you for that.
Thank you Fil! ❤🙏
This is perfect. Showing how great a singer she is, and exposing the real culprits! The producers! 👍
@@EllaSilentDragon will that prevent you from watching videos from that concert?
@mkevincop Not really, she still sounds great. But from now on I‘ll just get sad, that someone took the even better performance from us and replaced it with an inferior one. 😭
TV shows that pitch correct her and other excellent singers are pure evil!
What makes singers like Lara great is not only their pitch accuracy, but so much control over their techniques, their breathing, their runs and dynamics and the emotional delivery.
You can’t remove all of that with pitch correction. But it’s still sad if all that skillful delivery gets overshadowed sometimes by that tinny sound of a producer messing with the voice. Why? 😭
@ Exactly! I don’t think it’s possible to hear The RING, La Rein sing anything and be sad unless her storytelling (as it often does) and Lyrics are intended to do so. You don’t go away from her Live performances just feeling impressed, you feel included and different knowing you have just witnessed something very unique, a Master Class. What pisses me off is this techno trivia has made you feel sad for nothing that materially matters, nothing that can possibly overshadow all those things you AND I BOTH listed as what DOES matter.
@ si elle n’est pas la Reine, qui l’est ?
@@mkevincop Here it might be barely audible, but sometimes it is audible when producers start to really apply the software to great singer’s voices for effects. They make it audible on purpose! And they feel emboldened when people don’t complain and use more and more each time. (Because it sounds modern or is a standard or whatever the excuse) 🤦♀️
Assuming a note bend should be centered on pitch is a fundamental misunderstanding of music. Some bends will be centered, but others will be referenced to the top or bottom of the range. A guitar string bend is referenced to the bottom pitch (unbent string). A guitar tremolo is (usually) referenced to the top pitch. Voices do the same thing, either bending down in pitch or up, or back and forth across the reference pitch. It's all about the context.
Yes, thanks. The pitch correction is bad enough but the producers visually pushing notes onto the lines do not fundamentally understand music. Equal temperament is just a hack so that instruments like the piano can play in any key and always sound reasonably in tune. When listening and playing melodically some notes will be pushed a shade higher, some a shade lower. In a scale you might even play the same note differently on the way up the scale than you do on the way down. Pushing everything onto arbitrary pitch lines and time grids is taking all the feel and emotion out of music.
Lara F will appreciate your responsible videos about the great singer that she is. She is such a nice person with a great reflexion on the artistic world, for so many years I'm touched by her extraordinary voice and talent.
I love Lara! Don't mess with her voice!
Thank Fil for pointing out those who are.
Fil is not messing with her voice at all. Actually he just said that she has a great voice and perfect pitch, but a producer a year later wanted to hijack her performance..
Her performance was great and accurate, and there wasn't at all a need to correct it.
@@Francesco71rm He never said Fil was messing with her voice 🙄
Lara! Always thought she never got the long-standing success she deserved. What a voice. And...ugh. Why. Why?! Why mess with this? My goodness.
Wow, her unedited voice is even better. 🥺 I 100% agree with everything that was said.
I always wanted you to do a review of Lara Fabian. But, besides her wonderful tonal control, I wanted you to review how she is able to convey emotion so much better than many other singers.
To even touch a vocal by Lara should be a crime!
Great analysis Fil! Artists should start getting in their contract that producers aren't allowed to alter their voices without permission. It won't happen of course...
Maybe not but ... why do you suppose great singers are so silent on this issue!?
@@elizabethmiller7291 Recording artist: you are to stop pitch correcting what I record.
Recording exec: says who?
Recording artist: I say so.
Recording exec: Do you like your contract? If you do then sit down and shut your mouth, We made you a star and we can destroy you in the snap of of a finger.
Thank you for doing this side by side❤. It should be illegal to change a beautiful voice like hers
I can't sing for to save my life, but a mate and I did an album of covers for sh!ts and giggles a handful of years ago and felt the need to pitch correct one of my vocals. It honestly sounded better being less perfect. Cheers for another great video Fil.
Producer: "That was magnificent, Lara."
Also Producer: We'll soon fix that.
Wait a few months and we will have an AI generated Lara. I don't care what they do, nothing will change my quest to use my own eyes and ears to view a Legend.
Omg this is my reaction request thanks so much!
Thank you for doing this. Lara Fabian does not need this at all. The Kelly Clarkson Show started using tuning a season or 2 ago, and she’s in her best vocal shape in her whole career at 42. She’s a master vocalist too, it’s so disappointing that someone in the background would do something like this to her. Kelly nor Lara would EVER want this
Thanks for another great video !!!
If there is one artist that I don't want to be "fixed" that's Lara, she really doesn't need anything to sound "better".
I never in my life heard a song so beautiful live performed as Lara's 'Je suis malade'. What they did to her voice here is heartbreaking. It literally brought a tear in my eyes
Quality analysis Fil. Thank you.
Some time ago, Rick Beato made a video How Auto-Tune DESTROYED Popular Music, where he made the clear statement that all sort of music genres are poisoned by autotune, pitch correction, tempo correction, and all kind of software "enhancements" ad-ins. Regular music consumer does not even realize it. That man have such a great year :D .
This is applicable even in Metal / Rock or Fusion music, and so on, since 20-15 years, with the result that almost everything sounds mechanically perfect and sooner than later all music will be easily made by AI.
If I remember well, he made a discussion in some videos about how common is the use of backing track in live performances, even for big rock / Metal bands. And that has the same effect on public sensitivity for real Live music.
Simply because the human expression has been eliminated or heavily altered in whatever is today's Popular music, and is accepted by the large public, even appreciated, AI made music will be easily accepted too. This is just the beginning of the end my friends. Probably human composed and played/singed music will move to a niche in one generation, like Jazz. The Music industry is killing his golden goose. I am not some sort of Nostradamus, but I am not optimistic for the future.
I am cut off from Pop Music, but I have sometimes my guilty pleasures. I am here because I have recently discovered this gem ( this broadcasted show that is not sold as a record ) crafted by Lara Fabian. I was willfully ignoring her music since 20 years because Diva Pop is not my cup of tea .
Even altered, as is seems to be , there is still so much personal touch, nuance and artistry of the interpretation left in those performances from this show ( I am familiar with the originals of the covered songs from France and Italy ) on top of her refined vocal technical prowess. Now I feel privileged, thank you Lara and thank you YT.
About the time CD/LP/cassette sales peaked in1999, sensitive ear-buds (lots of dB per mW) which allowed very high volume from portable devices became the norm. The reaction was legislation to limit the output of said devices (voltage and current). The music industry's answer was to compress the snot of everything they released to max out RMS (overall) volume and rob all music of crescendos and dynamics, even to the point of obnoxious distortion. This was "the Loudness War" (ETA >> another 'industry standard') and it signalled the beginning of the end of recorded music as an art form. The end has arrived in the form of the new "industry standard" for digital pitch-correction of voices such that they don't sound human anymore. I've quoted the song before - _"I saw Satan laughing with delight, the day the music died"._
This seems like nonsense.
The loudness war originated with the need to stand out on jukeboxes and radio in the 60s and 70s, pushing producers to increase the volume of their tracks.
Overcompression sacrifices dynamics, resulting in dull, static music with distortions.
Online platforms like Spotify have tried to address loudness discrepancies, putting more pressure on music makers to reduce the loudness of tracks.
The solution is for artists to prioritize sound quality and dynamic range over extreme loudness to create more enjoyable music.
The advent of CDs and digital recording allowed for even more aggressive loudness increases through tools like compressors
@@EliteRock Neil Young deserves credit for calling this out long ago
I agree. The loudness war started in 1990 with dynamic compression and by 1999 music sounded so harsh and shrill it's no longer pleasant to listen to. Why everyone wanted to jump on the train to use this technology baffles me!?
You are so damned correct!!!!
The loudness wars were fought on radio. It was a direct response to the rise of FM radio over AM. Only when FM radio acended to take over music did compression make sense- the way the signal was modulated did not change with FM but would have on AM. You can overmodulate an AM signal with too much compression in a way you cannot on FM.
support your works Fil! Keep it up,
Went to Billy Strings show in Austin last weekend...live as it can get...and he was absolutely spot on bro.. if u can do it live once, you can do it again live maybe even better..happy holidays,...your eye opening presentations are needed...❤
Billy is unbelievably amazing and fantastic and special.
Superb talent. I’ve seen him twice in London, both gigs sensational.
I posted this on another video but it might have been lost in the comments. I have a friend who’s a world class orchestra musician and was paid to play with Tina Guo (cellist) and Jonathon Antoine (singer) in a televised broadcast of his performance of Empty Chairs at Empty Tables which can be found on TH-cam. Tina and Jonathon performed live to a backing track while the musicians were paid to mime.
That's usually because it's easier to mix that kind of track for the audience through speakers and just have the singers live. There's nothing wrong with that and it's common for TV performances.
@@Rik77 what about for live concerts though? It’s becoming the norm for those as well.
It is an analysis. Data collected and revalidatable. Not opinion. Thanks Fil. Another great breakdown.
Exactly what an objective analysis is meant to be. Factual and able to be revalidated and get the same results. 👍
Fil, I am so upset by producers ruining music! Hopefully there will come a time when this will stop! Excellent analysis, Fil 💜
@@veramilton833 it’s called AI.
Thanx Fil.
As a french guy, I've been exposed to both Celine and Lara. Honestly my heart goes to Lara.
I appreciate you expose the industry tweaking what was already great vocal performances, as well as stars cheating audiences, like Taylor Swift does.
As for Lara, her voice is very powerful and she loves to "drop" (not litterally) her mic and sing for her audience like a Classical singer would do.
I don't think it deserves a video, because as you've seen, she's close enough to being pitch perfect. But if you wanna hear for yourself, go get it^^
Now : why do producers want to have vocals that are so close to perfection go to total perfection? Isn't that the ultimate question?
@@eXCess9 because they have to justify their job and can’t leave well enough alone. Have t a clue who Lara Fabian is, but she’s got a nice voice. Not Karen Carpenter class, but decent enough.
@@SuppressiveSquirrel was thinking Celine Dion, with a touch of Ms. Streisand
@@cmecre8629 she’s ( Lara) better and less screechy than Celine Dion , but definitely doesn’t have the timbre of Karen’s voice nor that of Streisand.
@@cmecre8629I was recently sent a Barbra/Celine music clip which was horrible due to auto-tuning! I simply couldn't listen to the screeching.
Great update as always Fil
OMG! I waited ages for Lara here! Already commenting and haven't even watched it yet!
Fil, another excellent, well-articulated explanation. I like how you say her "expression takes you on a journey." In another analysis video you say it's the "increments of expression" that we lose through pitch correction. Your often poetic descriptions help us non-musicians understand. Thank you! Rock!
As a lover of all kinds of music living in Germany, when I want to hear a great voice, the nearest opera house is never more than an hour or two away.
If you employ electronic means of recording and transmitting, and give someone the job of processing the signal in between, they will do “something”.
I would love to hear an interview with a producer.
Dear Phil, thank you for this video. I have attended a Lara Fabian concert, and she was ill, and still, she sounded great. I have my ticket for 28 November 2025 in Geneva. I asked ChatGPT about what you said, and here is its response, which I would say “aligns with” the concept you have rightly repeated so many times:
This trend is not only disrespectful but also counterproductive. Artists like Lara Fabian have built their careers on emotional honesty and unparalleled vocal ability. To alter their work for the sake of some perceived ideal of "perfection" undermines the very qualities that make them extraordinary.
What can we do about this? Raising awareness is one step. Fans and artists alike need to push back against these practices and demand greater respect for authenticity. The industry needs to trust the power of real, unaltered performances-and recognize that true art doesn’t need to be "fixed."
That is what you do, Phil! Raising awareness! Amen!
Were you at the same concert as me, in Geneva 2022? She really didn't feel well, talking almost didn't work at all, but she could still sing very well, just not all the high notes, she had to leave them to her background singers. She really gave everything but the concert was unfortunately quite short.
@@danielakeller7532 Yes, Geneva 2022! I was there on the second night she performed. I was the only one wearing a mask! 😀 She chose to leave out the most vocally demanding songs, such as "Caruso" or "Broken vow". But it's still a miracle that she managed to sing at all with a respiratory infection. Most artists would have cancelled. She didn't! We love you, Lara! 🥰😍🤩
@MarcoCallas Exactly, i was there the first night and yes unfortunately she had to leave out many of my favorite songs. It is still admirable that she did all the concerts, perhaps also because they were postponed countless times because of Covid. Yes, we love you Lara🥰
Excellent video.
Another informative video. Rock Fil !
This is exactly what happened to Aretha Franklin with her last album. The "engineer" thought it would be great to... "pitch correct her" and she has no idea about the tuning in the interview when asked outright.
It's astonishing the audacity of producers and engineers is astounding!
If Karen Carpenter were singing today, some producer would change her voice. A real crime
Just wait for the remastered version to be released.
Heartbreaking to think
Same with Ella Fitzgerald Billie Holliday etc
I saw Travis this week at Eastbourne. Totally live. They restarted a song because Fran forgot the lyrics (he wrote). Ad libbed throughout and was an absolutely brilliant gig. No pitch control, just a band playing their music (very well).
Some/most producers have no business to be a music producer ... they have zero idea what music IS 😢
Lara is fabulous and her voice should never get "corrected" 😮
Lara Fabián Best voice ❤
Lara Fabian is arguably the best singer of her generation - or any generation, for that matter. The fact that a producer thinks that they have to ‘fix’ her singing is hilarious
Yeah, crazy
Not hilarious, but utterly depressing. I've always preferred an imperfect voice over autotune.
Lara is far from imperfect, so soul destroying to mess with such an amazing performance.
It's preposterous to imagine that by tweaking a few buttons, Lara's voice will be 'improved'. She's a true artist who acts as well as sings her glorious music.
Thank you for this video and explanations, Fil!
Thank you Fil. We are really getting to understand this Pitch correction with each of your videos. It's not easy to grasp but we're getting there.
In order to clarify something, I guess that people is posting comments here without watching the video at all or listening at what FIL is explaining. The title is "Producers can break a great vocal performance"!
Plus, he is highlighting how good is her voice and how great is her pitch. FIL himself says it was a great live performance.( 11.40 listen at his analysis of her voice and opinion ) He is not saying it was on lipsync or miming. It was absolutely live and well done. That it was absolutely accurate.
Then the USA producers one year later, before the broadcast on TV, decided to intervene.. Alterating the real true deliver and interpretation of the artist..that it was hijacked!. And listen carefully at his words, not a singer, but a producer did it.
Did they need to do it???? Why it's such a common thing?
That's the point of it all..
Some of you is getting the wrong message...
Unfortunately it doesn't matter how clearly Fil makes his points, there will always be commenters who get angry and swear he's saying the exact opposite. Comprehension skills are often lacking in those leaving heated comments. Such is life on the internet!😉
I always liked your older videos that simply talked about the performance, what they were doing and what made it good.
Your work here is invaluable. Thank you, Fil ❤
Turns out Melanie Safka was being prophetic, when in 1970 she sang:
Look what they've done to my song, Ma
Look what they've done to my song
Well it's the only thing I could do half right
And it's turning out all wrong, Ma
Look what they've done to my song
You continue to bring a thought out well versed opinion to the table. The "producer" effect that you expose reminds me of the application, by Neil DeGrasse Tyson, of the Dinnin-Kruger effect when he says that a problem facing society is when people know enough about something to think they are right and not enough to know they are wrong.
When business sees any medium as a means of enterprise it fails the medium when it only sees it through the limited grasp of the business view.
While Lara suffered at the typical hands of the industry "producers" as they laboured to fit her into the frame they understood, I acknowledge your insight into The Warning and how they have retained control and design of their image and content.
I've said of them that they negotiated for seven months before signing with Lava and they continue their practice of releasing songs to fans before they are released by the label. This is a sign of a real partnership in the interest of both parties and hopefully will become a "business model" promoted in business classes in the future.
Keep up the earnest effort you are a sincere model for other reaction channels.
Take Care
David
Keep up the good fight, Fil!
I'll take a less than perfect performance with some vocal cracks over a recording 10/10 times. Authenticity is more important than perfection.
This is so weird! After watching your Wicked vid I went on to watch Tim’s. I never heard of him before that although I’ve followed you for years! Now…the world collides. Me in SoCal watching you and Tim. My, my! 💜💙❤️💛
As someone who has worked with and around tools all their life, I have observed that if someone has a cool tool, they're going to find a way and a place to use it
Anything you need done with my new Dremel?
The old "even though can, doesn't mean you should", or however that saying goes.
@@Linda-qp9kp right or wrong
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee I've was gifted a piece of beautiful red Pipestone from North Dakota, that I've been holding for 20yrs. Your comment reminded me that I need to get the Dremel out and make that bowl
Thanks Fil for another excellent report. It’s a tragedy that everything has to be shifted, corrected and overproduced. All part of music being primarily a product now produced by risk averse business types who always seem to know better…
Your comment totally reminded me of a Rex Orange County song. 😂 excellent❣️...cause THEY know best❣️
Very interesting. Great job !
I follow your channel, hoping that one day the Industry will understand what music lovers want: integrity, emotion and connection with an artist in "live" performance. And is a lack of trust from producers towards artists and a way to control them.
As a child in France I recall that performances on TV were always on 'playback'. So I guess it is quite expected on TV show. However, for live performances on a stage, definitely expect live singing!
Playback in any circumstance has always been more acceptable on the Continent than in the Anglosphere.
Too often context is missing here.
Many TV appearances are featuring or selling a particular recorded song and artist. So many recorded songs cannot be replicated. On a TV show.
For example So many Motown songs involved complex production in the studio. Try and imagine any Supremes or Four Tops song performed on television without the layers of effects and instruments that makeup the record version.
Recreating Phil Spector’s “wall of sound” in a TV studio…
That's WHY I quit producing and went back to being an audio engineer....
Are you telling us that we're facing a losing battle here?
@@elizabethmiller7291yes, the end is nigh
@@elizabethmiller7291 Ha Ha, Yes!
@@roblake602 Well, I must refuse to believe that. I'm just getting started, after all. :)
Have you any idea why it's done? I'm a 70yo who collected music for 40 years then stopped because of auto-tune.
Love her! Thank you for this video...I always thought she sounds a lot like Barbra Streisand when she sings softer ...
Retouching Lara Fabian's vocals is like retouching Mona Lisa''s painting.... What a crime!!!
Bet you never thought this would be your career arc =)
Thanks for a wonderful and thorough analysis on Lara Fabian's vocals and the music industry's standard of selective deafness. It's obvious that a singer's artistic expression and precision means nothing. The music industry relies on its "must directly hit the lines" obsession despite PROOF that applying pitch correction RUINS the sound. I think Beethoven with his worsening deafness could have noticed this butchering. Fil, thanks for remaining true to the music & for being YOU!
Hi Fill
Thank you so much for this
Love Lara ❤
Love from Denmark ❤
In any case, Lara knows how to sing and in concert she doesn't cheat because it sometimes shows in her performances...
Her live pitch control is insane! She must have very good pitch perception. It does feel quite patronising to edit her expression.
Unfortunately, this only stains the singer's image and not the producer's. That's why i prefer videos from the audience, specially from singer like Lara that can definitely SING. These big productions are always sus...
It sounds like someone has a job and has to do something to justify them having that job.
My thoughts.
"it's my job to do something to this, no matter how good it already is".
In germany we have a word for that: verschlimmbessern. To make something worse by trying to make it better. Seems thats all mainstream producers these days...
Glad you finally got around to the greatest female singer
I second that!!
Greatest, LOL. Who says, you?
Remind you most Americans have never even heard of Lara Fabian.
Never knew Christa Ludwig grew her hait out that long...
@@SuppressiveSquirrel She appears on one of the newer PBS begging shows; iirc one of the Two Cellos guys is the feature.
When it comes to performing, saying so and so the greatest, is very subjective. Saying so and so among the greatest is more objective.
So you go to a famous restaurant for the experience of a specific chef. And the Maitre D switches out the sauces and garnishes. We choose to pay the chef.
I wonder what they did with "Je Suis Malade" from the same concert - which has a lot of spoken phrases, and is probably her most reacted to performance. It's a moving performance even after the producers got through with it.
🤔 Very thought provoking...
Its thought provoking but there are hundreds of songs in concerts from this one, "Nue", "En Tout Intimite" that are Legendary. Just Get to know her and this AT stuff will not prevent you from discovering a Legend called "THE RING".
It turns out that only independent artists can control what's done to their music before release. If I were vocalist, this would make me hesitate before making a deal. Of course you can't get big internationally televised concerts as an independent artist.
Dimash is an independent artist.
@@k.vn.k So are you saying that he doesn't hand over control of the production of the big concerts he does to someone else? I find that hard to believe.
I liked Fil's impression of a typical producer at 10:30!
Artists need to speak up and audiences need to shame the producers
Shame a producer?! I don't think so. 💲 NO shame.
We can, however, react by refusing to buy their crap!
Thank you.
Good job Fil 🎸
I love your sarcasm, Fil! Her natural voice is a lovely "atrocity"! LOL!
Just listened to a Jerry Cantrell interview with Rick B - he summarised your very point on Zep and Floyd all the bad mics- amp noise if you really dissect but when you add up that’s what makes them unique and magnificent- quote “it’s not got to be perfect but have the right vibe “
Fil, I appreciate your balanced presentation of the facts and your lack of name calling. So I'll do it for you. Many of these re-tuning producers are idiots who can't 'hear' music. These musicless corrections are taking all the nuance, character, unique swagger, strut and grace out of what are Brilliant performances. So many singers push sharp and pull flat to deliberately enhance the emotional delivery of their Craft. Imagine taking sandpaper to a master work because you think the carpenter should have done it differently, so many analogies to describe the desecration of an artists intentions. I'd say more about these 'people', but that would be an insult to perfectly good arseholes everywhere.
@@conork325 Yeah it’s like someone deciding that the mona-lisa is not photorealistic enough and "improving" the painting. 😩
@@EllaSilentDragon I heard the same thing about a painting by Michelangelo - someone felt that there was a blank space in his painting, so he tried to “fix” it using a great AI tool.
@paulwagner9303 😳😱 Some people! 😭
When I go to the market I buy some very nice apples, big, shiny... I live in a land of apples, the ones around here have a very ugly appearance in general, but sometimes they fall on the road and I really like to pick one and take it home. My whole house smells like apples for a few days, but three kilos of shiny apples don't even aromatize the basket they're in... The thing is that we're forgetting what apples taste like and how they smell. You understand me.
Imagine Cass Elliott, Etta James, Patsy Cline, Sam Cooke, Nat King Cole, and (as mentioned below) Karen Carpenter’s voices all being monkeyed with after they record-I’m glad I lived to hear them before this madness started.
It as if there's a campaign to get as many as possible 'mentally tuned' to the even tempered frequency in preparation for building their busy bee hive controlled society where everyone sounds like Android machines with no soul that cares.
Keep up the great work Fil❤