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- The warrior from The Precusor Legacy was known as a hero of Rock Village for apparently stopping the Lurkers on his own. However, once Klaww appeared, he turned into a coward and decided to quit being the hero.
We don't know much about Jak's ancestors apart from his father Damas and perhaps the Great Mar. What if the warrior was related to Jak? Could he be one of his ancestors who started this whole legacy of becoming a warrior?
With time, perhaps the Warrior got married and had kids. With time, the legacy grew to become the House of Mar, known as the dynasty of Jak's lineage according to Damas.
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"OUR SAGE, A MASTER OF BLUE ECO, AND A MECHANICAL GENIUS, DEVISED A MACHINE CAPABLE OF LIFTING THE BOULDER *OUT OF THE WAAAAAAAAY* "
But then he disappeared, and he took all of his power cells with him
oh man! This guy was my favorite NPC in Jak and Daxter. "...And so, full of valor....armor shining in the sun!!! I CLIMBED THE HILL TO *TAKE HIM OONNNNNNN!!!!!!* But he pounded me like one tenderizes a Yacow steak..." and then Daxter comes in cold with "Have you tried attacking him with your melodrama? Because it's killin' me!"
Naughty dog needs to come back and finish this Story because this is becoming rediculous.
Ludens I doubt it'll be ND though judging by their past interviews.
Ludens They will never come back. People need to stop asking them. Sony can find another studio to make jak 4.
VTNVIVI Never lose hope! Just look at us Metroid Prime fans. :p
Melvinyoriel Yea I'm happy bro. But the problem there only show a picture with gameplay or anything to tell us what it going to be about.
The story IS finish. There's just room for much more storytelling and development. Naughty Dog are idiots for dropping the series. Theres hardly any series out there with as much potential as Jak. The fantasy aspect is mostly responsible for this.
Eco= archetypal categories of Jungian Psychology. Dark Eco: Chaos. Light Eco: Control. Green Eco: Growth: Blue Eco: Energy. Yellow Eco: Combat. Red Eco: Assertiveness.
I could go on all day about the parallels between Jak and Jungian Psychology, but it all centers and begins around the central story. Daxter is Jak’s ego (the one who speaks- to the unconscious) upon reaching maturity, the ego must shrink as one enters the territory of the Shadow, allowing room for the integration of the archetypes (Misty Island is the territory of the shadow, or at least the first territory of it that Jak explores in his first step into maturity, upon coming in contact with the chaos of the shadow, the ego, aka Daxter, shrinks- as a result of Jak’s first assertive action). This moment starts Jak on a journey of integration-the journey to find the sages one by one and integrate their power into the self.
Of course later we see many of the Archetypes symbolized in character form-
The Father (Samos)
The Warrior (later exemplified by Torn)
The Gambler
The Brother (Sig)
The Child (Young Jak)
I could easily go on.
Once the integration of the first game is complete, Jak is ready to face the Jungian Shadow, which is what Jak II is all about.
Here we see shadow forms of the characters-
The Shadow of The King (Praxis)
Shadow of the Ego (Erol)
The Anima (Ashlynn)
And so on.
Jak III is the journey toward the integration of both sides of the archetypes in pursuit of finding the true/higher self.... Aka: Mar.
amazing comment bro
You'd make better videos than this guy.
Thats just the blueprint behind every hero quest story
When I was little I always thought the warrior looked like Jak I love this theory
looking into the Jak and Daxter bible the resemblance between the Mar Statue and the Warrior both in ingame model and art is Uncanny. its also unlikely Mar himself was a Genius its more likely he was great at leading those capable of creating the marvels in Haven city and given majority credit as most great leaders are. if the warrior's ego wasnt fully broken by Jak defeating the rock beast I dont find it unlikely the Warrior could be fight off the metalhead creatures.
6:07 Personally I don't think Mar (Jak) would have to be technical. I know Jak 2 and 3 talks about all the things Mar built, but I feel like those were exaggerations. I don't think Mar build Heaven City, the Railways, Mines, and Weapon. At least I don't think he did it by himself. I'd imagine Mar gathered the necessary rare materials (like how Jak gathers the necessary power cells to power the zoomer.) Mar contributed but he wasn't the builder. Over time people simple forgot all the people involved and Mars name because the Legend.
I think Jak is the Mar. Jak could have travelled into the past and built Haven knowing that's where he would have been born. Kiara was really technical and could have guided him. He doesn't need to be his own grandfather. His ancestors were already in that timeline. At the tomb the precursor does welcome an heir of Mar but does not specify Jak to be that heir. Naughty Dog really needs to do Jak4 and clear this up! Lol
Well Damas said the amulet was a symbol of their lineage to the house of Mar, implying they were descendants. So if Jak is Mar, he'd be his own ancestor.
VTNVIVI true true. Ugh. Just thought it was so cool that Jak is Mar. Lol. I bet it can still be made that way if Naughty Dog would just connect the flipping dots. Jak4!
Jak could have learned the tech side from Kiera
The warrior is Mar. The warrior lived in the same village an the Blue Sage. There's no indication that he wasn't tech savvy. The metal heads invade Sandover and he and the sages lead a resistance against the MHs. The area suffered war but the people, led by the warrior Mar, built Haven City where Sandover and Rock village used to be.
He wasn't tech savvy though as you said. I just can't imagine it being him...
Lol😂😂
If Jak & Keira had A kid. Is it possible that they’re kid is Mar? Keira is good with technological & Jak is great with eco. We know time travel exists so would it be possible that the original Mar is Jak’s kid traveling or growing up in the past to build Haven city.
Hey I mean it's time travel :P
I love the theory but the Official Jak 3 strategy guide tells exactly what happens to all the other people in the Precursor Legacy I would highly suggest looking into it before suggesting theories. It really does shed light on the characters as for being his ancestors total acknowledged maybe although maybe decedent's of two families on of the warrior one of the geologist. Food for thought.
Omg, I thought it said "The Warrior Trilogy" as in a new Jak & Daxter trilogy on PS4 or something. Well, shit.
WintherOgames™ That would've been something. But hey, we're getting the PS2 versions soon! As someone pointed out, the ESRB rating is out for Jak and Daxter PS4, release is soon!
Jak and Daxter rating would be E n Jak II n 3 would be T like always bro
awesome!
What about an Onin theory. In the second game she said "Good to see you again, Jak". Could she be a descendant of the bird lady? She has empty bird cages in her hut. Just a crazy theory.
Wisdom Speaker I think she was meant that she met the Kid before and she knows that him and Jak are the same person
Onin was referring to young Jak most likely.
Yeah i agree and i think onin is blind
Awesome theory! And, as always, I'm so happy to hear others who also feel that Jak is not The Mar. :D I actually have thought about what happened to the Sandover residents, and I would like to think that they survived! Sometimes characters in the later games remind me of some from TPL, and it becomes my headcanon that they are their descendants. For instance I think of Ximon (from Daxter for PSP) as descended from the sculptor (both tall, skinny, surfer dialect, and calls Daxter 'little furry dude'). And Onin reminds me a bit of the Bird Lady.
The only way they survived is if someone took them to the future. With time others came to the island and kickstarted everything.
I just liked to think that with help from say, the warrior and the sages and such they managed to fend off the metal heads....but yeah, I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part. :/
Maybe Onin = Bird Lady ? Yes, with Pecker she really is. Same clothes, same face and attitude, but really more Older. I think Onin is a really mysterious character, as a lot of characters in J&D, but for Onin it's particular. It's what i thought too.
And you're right, now that you mention it, there is a really big similtude between the sculptor and Ximon.
The sandover residents ? Wait how much were they to live there ? 5 I think. 9 if you add Jak, Dax, Keira and Samos.
Of course we can suppose there are more residents that we can't see in the game.
What I think, is that Jak is Mar. I think that as Mar, he's gonna going back to sandover village, back at the time where the metal heads have invaded their world, which means just after the opening of the rift gate. And he's gonna beat against them bravely, but won't be able to repulse them. And so there will be a proliferation of metal heads, and it will be the beggining of the Metal Heads Wars. This would be the most logical sequel for Jak 3.
Glad someone else noticed these similarities!
i feel like the girls with coloured hair slightly resemble the sages of the past.
besides colour
Meira has blue hoverboards and racing go fast.
Ashelin has red hair likes fighting and fights close by you with melee combat in jak 3 iirc.
Tess has yellow hair likes guns which are a long ranged weapon and also makes them.
They all seem to loosely resemble the sages of the past somewhat.
The warrior protects Rock Village, not Sandover.
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1- what sly crossover would you like to see/play ??? ( ratchet and Clank, jak and dexter and kingdom hearts doesn't count)
2-what is your favourite vid on your channel???
would you like make a vid reacting to other sly voices (from other countrys) ????
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please make a Q&A part 2
I got to ask, what happened to the 3 sages in the precursor legacy? Could they be still alive? The ammo in the morph gun has to come from somewhere right, it looks related to eco from the 3 sages (including the dark eco). I like to hear your opinion on this.
Justinm8n that's a great idea for a Jak sequel
Justinm8n maybe the villains from the first game are back and more powerful than ever.
Justinm8n Very simple questions. The Sages are dead. They're not going to live for hundreds of years. Only way they or G&M can survive is by time traveling.
The Eco from the Morph Gun comes from the planet. That should be common sense. Real life relations like mining, extracting, etc. Has nothing at all to do with the Sages, unless you want to hypothetically believe the Sages founded the ingenuity process for utilizing eco with machines. But regardless, eco is still harvested from the planet, which is one of reasons why Dark Jak didnt exist in JaDTLF.
Aura Guardian however the ad guys were trapped in that thing and maybe they could survive inside of it being sustained by the eco. Then they come back and jak and Daxter have to stop them one last time. Jak and Daxter 4: legacy
Monkbot10 That'd be a poor story concept and title, tbh.
thanks foe the theory ive been wondering about the warrior from the first game for years
No problem glad you enjoyed it!
Thankyou for making this!
No problem!
I reckon jak is mar...i honestly think that if they do finally finish the story and answer all the unanswered questions i think it is a time travel fulfilled circle...jak is mar so he is his own ancestor and descendant (the grandfather paradox is always used in time travel stories) jak saves the world from growing up a kid in haven city his original destiny...but what if the next lart of his story which we havent played out yet is actually him saving the universe as mar instead of jak and then travelling back to the distant past once more but as an older version of himself because he realises once hes aged considerably and everyone else is dead that its him alone who has to commit to building haven city...him alone that has to build the precursor gun at the metal head nest (he speaks to vin a lot and vin runs the energy grid...jak is incredibly smart and intuitive as well as having eco powers) its safe to say that he definitely could have learned everything he needed to enlist the lone survivors of the world to build haven and rebuild their race withing haven...obviously this doesnt explain any of the other cities in other games but my only explanation for that is the new cities are quite literally a deus ex machina to basically extend and keep interest within the original story but you gotta admit...this makes sense lol
I might even add that if jak and daxter and keira and tess ever decides to aid the precursors properly in their mission to travel space and destroy the dark makers and metal heads then even through out this time they could all have children thus rebirthing the precursors dying lineage and also starting the lineage of the house of mar
Me"i wonder what happened to the warrior"(i check inside his hut and find he has hung himself) me".......ok this turned dark very fast"
Ever realize that the Mar statue's in Jak 2 kinda looks like the warrior.
"I don't think Jak is mar" well I'm pretty sure the ending to three will answer that question.
+NinjaSoulz The ending of 3 is a huge debate.
Id love if jak went back in time and either all his achievements are claimed by him hercule satan style or he was inspired by jak beating Claww and became a hero fighting along side you when you go back in time.
This is definately *just* a theory. Still cool thought process on my favourite game of all time
amazing video VTNVIVI
:D
I think the Mar we see depicted on the statues is a mythic figure, kinda like the first Chinese emperors or Romulus of Roman mythology or Hercules or King Arthur... He's visually a composite of Jak and The Warrior and perhaps his feats are composites of other heroic figures of TPL like the Blue Sage and maybe even Kira (as she definitely is the reason zoomers are so ubiquitous) created by people who were alive long after TPL but before Jak 2 based on oral traditions. I think Jak really is Mar, not in the "he's actually depicted on the statue" way, but in that he embodies all the characteristics of the mythical figure that is Mar, both in blood and in acts.
Intriguing way to put it!
I like watching your theory videos and so do a lot of my friends.
Also there are some questions/theories I want to ask:
1) What ever happened the other sages from the first game?
2) What if after the first Jack and Daxter the other sequel games are different timelines after you do Mal and Maya?
3) What would have happen if Jack had never returned to Haven City after his exile in Jak 3?
MusicGirl881 *JAK
1. They're dead/living in their timeline. They're not gods, they can't live for hundreds of yrs.
2. Never played a game that expanded on seperate universes, just time traveling. Given Jak's focus on tt as opposed to multi-universes, this is nothing to worry about unless J5 brings this concept.
3. Haven City would have to be defended by everyone else. Mar wouldnt help cause he's dead. Depending on the plot, HC would be destroyed or saved by the residents. As far as the trilogy goes, HC would have survived via plot armor because it still had ties to the story/plot of Jak 3. It's only via the direction that HC is no longer important that would have it destroyed without Jak's help.
1. Died of old age, they were not immortal. Perhaps we got others sages after but who knows.
2. You mean if they never went to the future and remained in Sandover? Hmm... I think they'd stick to the current plot, Jak's world focused on time travel.
3. Haven City would be guarded by someone else like Aura mentioned. If not, the city would be in trouble.
Warrior is Mar KRNMFRD and Sculptor with missing cat from Sandover Village made the statue!
where was this confirmed?
I think the biggest mystery is who is Jak's uncle supposed to be if he isn't really his uncle?
Holy shit! I just realized something? What if the Warrior is THE Mar? Oh wait you said that! Nah. But seriously what about his uncle? I think those two have something to do with it. I remember thinking that the Ottsels in Jak 3 were characters from the first game. A bit farfetched but you get the idea.
Maybe Mar is a legendary mythological person and is actually a combined image of all the sages from TPL, Jak's uncle and the Warrior.
I think you should know that Haven City is actually located in the ocean off the coast of Sandover Village. So the only returning place is as far as I can tell is Sandover village as Deadtown. So we don't know what happened to the other places.
Hmm... The uncle was just a friend of Samos' . I never looked at him as someone having a major importance, he just helped raise Jak.
VTNVIVI
Well I can't agree with that. The uncle is someone important, he is the one who got Jak into adventuring which is what started the great legacy in the first place. Both the Uncle and Jak have the same attire lol. He was passionate about adventuring and he even gave Jak a map as a gift of all the places in the Precursor Legacy world.
I think he is an underestimated character for the mysteries of Jak and Daxter.
Plus who just claims to be someones uncle like that? xD There is obviously a story behind it.
I have a theory about the locations from TPL. Sand over Village does become Deadtown, that's the most obvious because of Samos's hut. The Jungle becomes Haven Forest, Spider Caves becomes a drill site (it was full of dark eco in TPL.) Misty Island becomes the Metalhead nest. It's been awhile since I've played, but I see lots of similarities between the landscape in TPL and Jak II.
I remember playing the Jack and Daxter game on the PSP. It was actually really fun going back and playing it from time to time. Unfortunately, my PSP stopped working and won't launch any games when I try and will go back to the main menu with an error message. Great video as always Vivi and I've never asked this, but would you consider subscribing to another Sly fan such as myself?
Every village has a hero
Everyone seems to forget that it was covered in sewer water, and water by it self caused rapid erosion, that statue in real life wouldn't be there anymore, so it's most likely eroding away
I think the developers aimed for the simple: old statue, slightly broken thing... Just chilling down, being dragged to the enemy who failed on their way.
Oh yeah that too!
The first known encounter of the Crestfallen Warrior, Patches can also be see tampering with the levitation ray if you look at the sun long enough!
Anyone notice that Keira kinda also created the first Zoomer that became the template for all the Zoomers in Haven City? If you look around in Samos’ Hut in Deadtown it’s no longer there. Whereas you can see it mounted in the Hut anytime you aren’t riding it in Jak & Daxter. Plus in Deadtown the mount for it is still in the hut but the Zoomer is still missing. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!!!
Jak = Mar
"Ashlyn : Wait, jak is Mar ? The Mar ?"
We need a Mar and Daxter. Or Jak 4. With all the story of mar.
watch the old jak 3 trailer,they've made it CLEAR That the jak and daxter series was going to end at 3,Jak 4 is never going to happen.
Lol ! The Jak trilogy yes ! But after Jak 3 there is Jak X ! So we can totally have a new trilogy with a new story in the future.
jak goes back in time and give the warrior credit for all his deeds and starting the mar lineage leting everyone know jak isnt his own ancestor
Also it would be hilarious to go back in time and find him crying only to find out his name is mar
BOOM. Well Haven City existed 300 years after Sandover... that would mean Mar would travel to the future via a rift gate which was remained lock in that huge door at the end.
Wait if the warrior is part of Jak’s family and they were all raised in Sandover Village, then how tf did he get to Rock Village. He can’t just walk over fire canyon and it’s not like he just had a zoomer lying around...
Perhaps they're once existed a way to get between Sandover and Rock Village beside the fire canyon. Maybe the fire canyon didn't always....the warp gates. Maybe he teleported via Samos's warp gate.
What about a boat
@@xXCdOg24Xx Yeah, you could easily sail around the coast. You would just have to go around the Forbidden Jungle, then you would eventually find the entrance to the Lost Precursor City. Maybe the fisherman gave him a ride.
I imagine Jak taking Vin to the past in a thumb drive or something, so he could have built Havens defense grid and all that.
....the warior oisn't from sandover... why would he have a family in sandover... also jak's only POSSIBLE relativ in sandover is the Explorer who refers to himself as jak's uncle
Jak's uncle was portrayed as an uncle, just like how Samos was a father figure. If he's not technically from Sandover, he still originates from that timeline.
im not saying that. I'm saying it's impossible for him to be arelated to the warrior, since u start your theory wby stating the warrrior is from sandover.... which he is not.... this my just be an editing error tho, cause at the start of the video u DID say he is in rock village.
and even then he isn't his uncle as jak was born far into the future original its kind of like the dads best friend who he then dubs uncle for his kids
Every area of Jak 1 became Haven City in the future, not only Sandover, so Rock Village is included, the Warrior is not from Sandover.
no haven city extends from sandover to gyser rock to the mountains beyond it is mostly on the ocean
I wonder if Misty island had other areas from the 1st game could be found out of bounds or something . That would be soo cool
Man I miss this game lol what a classic
Will you do a video theory on Jak's Uncle from the Precursor Legacy?
Well Jak's ''uncle'' was simply portrayed, not biological just like how Samos was portrayed as a father figure.
I have a question for VTNVIVI.. when you were talking about the Ear of Mar and the Warriors Ear, You did miss something, I would like to know why you missed Jak's ear shape, if you look at Jak's ear from an angle you it is in shape of Mar's ear, did you miss that part?
Mar's ear, at least for the statue, has a slight curve on the left side, Jak doesn't though. Well Jak does have a slight curvature on both ears.
This will be lengthy, but I always wanted this guy to be a bigger role as I genuinely felt bad for him. I really wanted this guy to redeem himself. My idea if a remake happens:
If you complete the warrior's quest, he will help Jak in the Klaww boss fight. During the 3rd phase when Klaww starts going all out with his cannon, a cutscene will play. Klaww will charge up and in the distance you hear a big "HEY!!" And it'll show the warrior, in a new armor he made using the precursor orbs you gave him.
"KID, I'LL DISTRACT HIM. FOCUS ON GETTING TO THAT YELLOW ECO"
The warrior will leap onto Klaww and hang for his dear life. Klaww will be distracted and unable to shoot at you as he tries to shake him off. Jak will be able to cross the bridge to get to the eco much easier now. When you reach the yellow eco, the warrior will hold onto Klaww by his throat and expose his weak point
"SHOOT NOW, KID"
When successfully shot, Klaww will stumble and the warrior will say
"Thank you for showing me what it means to be a hero again"
He will wink to Jak and Daxter and using all his might, pulls Klaww down into the lava, sacrificing himself to defeat Klaww once and for all. The Warrior has now got his redemption and conquered his fear
Post game upon returning to the blue sages village, a big precursor statue of the warrior will be in place of Kira's machine, honoring him like he always wanted
I’d like to think that Jak is The Mar and that part at the end of Jak 3 (where he goes with the precursors to see the universe) is where he builds Haven with the help of the Precursors. Time travel exists so Jak could theoretically have gone and done what he needed to do and then come back a split second later (which he does).
If so, then the precursors turned him young again. The statue would be older Jak.
Just checked the wiki. Apparently Jak is just named after Mar but not The Mar according to that. Funny though because a lot of what is said about Mar (except for founding Haven City) seems to match up. "An ancient enemy of the Hora-Quann and Allies of the Precursors". According to the wiki: "... Jak obtains a set of Precursor metal armor said to be worn by Mar himself in his battles for the planet." Jak wore Mar's armor during the end of Jak 3 when fighting Erol (fighting for the planet). I just wish Naughty Dog would tie up these lose ends already. It's been a long time coming. Seems like a lot of "plot-holes" still.
then you rememeber that jak has an uncle on sandover village that naugthy dog wanted you to forget because if he is your biological uncle, the whole plot would be shit XD
He was just portrayed as an uncle, like a brother to Samos. Samos was the father figure. I mean that's how I always understood it.
I personally think the Explorer character has something to do with Mar, at least in my own headcannon. He has a green gem in his staff that reminds me a lot of the precursor stone, its a different shape but it could be they came from the same place. Plus he's so well traveled.
He'd probably be too old to be THE Mar but maybe he has a son we don't know about or maybe the Warrior is his son, just a thought
Adam T i still think is an little bit of an error that they forgot when doing the new plot, they weren't planning to make grand theft jak 2 :v
Rodrigo Zabattaro oh yeah definitely. I'm still gonna try to make it make sense in some way though 🤣
Adam T it has the same thing as god of war, at the end of the first game, it is said that now on, in every war, people would call for kratos help, while showing pictures of modern wars with guns and planes :v
Jak is Mar and Mar is Jak lol. They went to the past actually and brought Kid Jak to the future. Jak/Mar got contact with the precursors and they made sure that loop stayed intertwine so that Jak met Dexter. Without Dexter Mar wouldn't be who he was at the ending of JAK 3
I had theory about this years ago before you or anybody ever mentioned it
Well then :D
Your theory makes sense I mean young jak's hair is the exact same color as the warrior's hair.
I guess genetics could explain it. But Jak's hair is more yellow ish.
Good job with the theory but uh what about his uncle in part one and possibly who could daxter be related to: the precursors probably? All in all, could the uncle and the warrior be tied together and the kid jak also....i guess in a way jak is his own ancestor.
He was portrayed as his uncle, not biological.
I'm gonna ship the Warrior and the Geologist, they found the house of Mar the mother being the intellectual the father being the martial amd eventually Mar is born schooled in both, the precursor (see what I did there) to Jak
That's crazy that you thought about the warrior. i had made a comic of the warrior being taking down by Klaww. i will soon post them up it's also in my face book page as well. but you know what i love the most when ever you talk to gordy and willard. i think of willard saying... um... um ... um.. why is the boys watching us work and than gordy be like would ya guys go back to the future and take care your business already!
Oh a comic?
I love how there’s never any reference to Jaks uncle in Precursor Legacy. How the heck is that explained 😂
What if the warrior was the mar!
I do think Jak is Mar reborn. Because he has the ability to harness, use, and control all forms of echo. I think that in the future after he died, the Precursors or Daxter somehow used a magic power and had him reborn.
Like link from loz. Hal and daxter series could be like Zelda. Which each mar being named different things like jak! Makes sense. Naughty dog really didn't care about the whole time travel thing they just threw it in there for an interesting plot point and left it there swirling in a bunch of nonsensical theories surrounding why the series turned out this way. All because they were focused on uncharted or something relative to that.
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I though Jak is Mar, that was explained at the end of Jak III.
EDIT: It is explained in Jak III during the cutscene of Damas' death. Jak is Mar.
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0:00 - "The Warrior Theory"? The same guy from the 1st game? OK. :/
0:24 - Oh OK that makes sense. :)
0:49 - They were in the past but now they're good, metal heads are the bad guys now.
1:19 - How?? I mean the hair color is close sure but other then that, I see nothing. If anything; why not talk about Jak's Uncle who was also from the 1st game?
3:04 - I could actually see him just taking the credit, he looks like th ekind of guy that would.
3:30 - I did at some point wonder what had happened to the characters from the 1st game.
3:54 - I think it could've still happened.
5:08 - Wait, you just said "The Mar". :P
5:38 - But what if the Warrior isn't related to Jak? Maybe that girl he meets may be related to him instead and by that I mean she could be the daughter of Jak's Uncle.
6:05 - Maybe he's a time clone?
7:00 - Remember; it can still happen. ;) ;)
8:09 - You mean accident prone?
9:09 - Yeah this series already has a lot of confusing parts of the story, it's best to leave it here. :P
9:27 - And as always; we are all happy to watch. :)
Jak's uncle WAS NOT his biological uncle, it's impossible. Jak is from the future, his father is from the future.
Oh yeah, good point, I forgot about that. :/
he has the same hair he could be his ancestor he is an adventurer like jak runs in the family maybe and the hair
He had natural potential talent!!
Ok, I'm just going to give my two cents on the timeline. I won't go into the whole Mar thing because I don't know myself. With that said, let's dive in. At the end of Jak 2, Jak sends his younger self, a younger Samos (Green Sage) and the crocadog to the past. Just them. It is noted that Kiera is a year younger than Jak and Daxter so meaning Kiera isn't Samos daughter (by blood). Whatever happened to her parents is up for fans imagination. The creators have stated before that they didn't believe Jak & Daxter (the 1st game) was going to be as successful as it is now so that's mainly what it was. They didn't really plan what the sequel was going to be like at the time. Which would explain how there isn't even a house for Daxter and how Jak's "uncle" only has one bed. Speaking of Jak's "uncle" they mostly had some guy take care of Jak while Samos took care of Kiera and whatever sage stuff. Not that it matters since Jak and Daxter apparently suffer from insomnia throughout the games jk. No need for the game to be so realistic that the characters need to sleep. The white eco from the first game could've been changed by the third game to light eco since we saw only a little bit of it (with it acting more like the yellow eco). But at the same time, the idea itself could've been scrapped or forgotten by the time the sequels came out like the potential threat of the 1st duo villains in the 1st game (sorry I forgot their names at the moment. I think one was name Mia.) Insert playthrough of the first game and cut to the beginning of the second game, Jak 2. The question whether or not the metal heads attacked and killed the villagers... I think they did. It's not like the villagers had any warning or a protector besides Jak and maybe Samos. I don't doubt that the villagers can take care of themselves but judging from the interactions of the first game and how the second game wants to take a much darker turn... It's likely if not all then at least most of the characters we've come across died. Whoever Jak's descendant was, was not someone we've already met.
Insert Daxter (the game) playthrough and cut back to the second game, playthrough that and the third. We cut to the ending of the third game and a lot of fans are split. The Jak X game doesn't really add anything but it's still a good game. If there ever comes a day where Naughty Dog goes back and works on the Jak series, they need to stop having Keira as a background character, have Mike Erwin voice Jak again, answer all questions to the story and most likely have this be the final chapter to the franchise since they've been dragging their heels working on the 4th game.
Thank you for sharing!
Haven is probably more than sandover i know about the hut but its outside the city
The warrior looks just like MAR
I think that the warrior is jak I say this because if you look they both have a lot of similarities 1. Green hair 2. Red scarf 3. Armor. That all ties in right also take a look at the the belt or sash that he has on his waist jak has that on his chest also if you look at the comparison between jak from the first game and second game you can see that jak gets stronger cheat and arms then in the first game. My theory is that the jak from the 3rd game thought that there was something wrong and the meadle heads almost killed him so that would explain the ear injury and then the crimson guards tried to save him and shot him in the chest but the armor saved him so all of his friends died and samos opened the portal and told jak to stop this from happening just as samos gets killed in front of him then when jak goes through he is striped of any future items and the rift tried to tare him up so that's why his armor is beaten up and he tried to find himself but he couldn't so in his spare time he tried to stop the learkers of this time and doing that made him (miss leg day) get stronger from chest to arms and then he couldn't defeat that learker in the mecha suit because he forgot how to use eco and then he built the rift machine and tried to test it but the artifact he was going to use didn't activate and he didn't think he was strong enough so he just sat in that spot and cried then eventually or young jak pops up and old had forgot a lot of his past so he forgot how he looked as a teen and just told young jak to defeat him and when young jak did that it inspired old jak to do things again so he changed his name to mar and became the warrior of sandover village and all the others so then some of the lerkers had a virus spread to only them and that's how metals heads were born and then it spread to bugs and the people in all the villages evolved into the people in haven city and mar protected them until he died then there was someone who said that they will protect people only if they helped and he said kids won't help they will only get in the way so then they expanded through the slums until they reached the city and they just cleared every area and there was tales about mar and they made a statue of him and that's my theory so yeah
Thanks for taking the time to type all that! Well here's the thing, Jak with everything he's learned in the future, I just don't see him being afraid like that if he were the Warrior. Sure he didn't have guns and weapons when he went back to Sandover, but just his personality would make it seem like he would've been more brave. Also if the warrior were Jak from the future, he would've looked at him differently, I just don't think he was old enough to forget. Now technically, the team hadn't thought of Jak 3 yet, so there's that. If the Warrior turned into Mar, that would mean he would've used that last rift gate which Jak used... he can't travel to the future. Unless of course, the warrior immediately started founding Haven which I doubt. By the time he'd do so, he would've been old, I mean founding a city takes years. If I'm not mistaken, Sandover existed a 300 years ago or so, Warrior would've died already.
VTNVIVI maybe he would have died but what if there was a time parodox and there was infinint loops of him being alive which there is from the end of jak 2 so he would still have time to build it and maybe when he finished he forgot his experiences from the first 3 games and just in countered the first metal heads and someone was with him like the guards or maybe young baron and thats why half of his face is metal because he tried to save old jak or mar from them so that day most of his people died and maybe even quit so they could survive so then during that time baron needed people so the people who decided to help baron tuned them into basically robots but just the crimson guards so they went to explore torns town area (I forgot what that place was called) and they couldn't find old jak body so they they assumed he was dead and made a statue in his honer but he wasn't dead so he some how made it to a portal or he met Vin and maybe Vin just moved in and was not as worrisome as he is in jak 2 so maybe Vin was a teen and he probably was teaching old jak or mar some stuff along the way so then old jak or mar asked if Vin could make a rift to the past and maybe old jak or mar remembers all the details of the portal but not fully so then when he went through he was going to conker the vilages with no eco and only relying on strength that he has gotten over time and since he dident have Eco he progresed through the main areas of the vilages and stoped at the rock village for a little bit so he made another rift and messed up something and that made the portal go to the future then he thought he was strong and smart enough to take on the lava monster but he couldn't so then he cried and he had a power cell that he was going to use to make the the rift stable but since he couldn't get past he lost all faith but when teen jak came to fight he regains the strength to fight again so at the beginning of jak 2 Vin tried to see his buddy again but went to the wrong place because teen jak and Vin hit the button at the exact same time so both the portal and the rift got sent to the wrong place so Vin ended up at the drill place (I also forgot what that place is called) and when jak went through he never came back so the old jak or mar and the rest of the people in all the villages mar or old jak asked if the people could help him build the city also the reason why jak never came back through the portal is because when they came back the went to the past not the present so then there was a lot of progress in the city so there was more than enough time to get a lot of work done and old jak or mar was done already be for death and when the first metal head war started thats when old jak or mar died and then the baron happened and then things repeated
But jak can also channel all 6 ecos. Wouldn’t the Mar family also be able to channel most or all eco as well?
I guess blood DNA doesn't play a role unless of course we see it in the future.
I like to think of it like an Avatar thing. There was the first avatar (The Mar) who began it all. Then the cycle goes on and on until it gets broken like in Legend of Korra. What if they made jak4 and you play as older "young jak" from jak2, and something goes wrong like they never make it through the warp gate to the future. then the whole story is different, but he is the last of the house of mar. Or then maybe he becomes The Mar 2 and ends up building haven with the help of the sages they just saved (even samos had the ability to move large objects in jak2) not to mention Keira who can make like anything. The Mar 2 has a son and sends him back in time with the green sage to do what he failed to do. Make it through the warp gate. So they go through the warp gate, but they go far far into the future where The Mar 2's time is past and haven city is now under new control. The Mar 2 also had 1 or more other son's which lead to damos and his son "young jak" ruling haven city. So that means, the "first jak" of the cycle is actually damos' uncle or brother. So damos' son(liniage of mar) is sent to the past, while jak takes his place, and damos' place as ruler of haven city. Jak then has children of his own for when damos' son returns. When he returns, again, he goes far into the future, past jak's life time, where the "new damos role" (jak's descendant) is. So now "original damos' " son aka "new jak" is the nephew of the "new damos role" instead of vice versa. Then this cycle repeats. Maybe that's what samos means when he says "your uncle would be proud" instead of the "uncle" in sandover. So why do they have the cycle? Its an ace in the hole to keep the house of mar in power of their city. They send one of their own away to train at full potential. unaffected by anyone like baron praxis. Then comes back and takes haven back, restart. So the first Mar did the same thing as Mar 2 but, the first Mar was the one who made the whole plan and brought the warp gate into the picture (probably with help from the precursors) Maybe the precursors use Mar and his heroicness for their plan of keeping light in the world, like how the dark makers tried to use eroll and his chaos to bring darkness into the world. Thats why the metalhead leader was searching for jak, "to kill the avatar" and vanquish all light. In each story line, key individuals like damos can look and have different names, but still play the same role. I believe it uses aspects of Christianity like sinners and saints, Buddhism with good and evil, balance and what not. Family stories. That spiritual avatar stuff
You lost me there
@@angryspartan_2290 If you really want, it would be easier to follow it by going through the reading step by step and draw a family tree based off what is said. Coming back to it, it's definitely confusing. There's minor plot holes when involving it with the story and logic of the trilogy, but the idea does make sense once fully grasped.
This games story is so beyond and interesting
And confusing heheh time travel...
But Jak IS MAR!!!
He could....still not convinced though.
Wait a minute when the young jak went back to the past in Jak 2 ending, how did they meet daxter, he wasnt in haven city or in the future
Daxter originates from Sandover that's why ;)
He is mar
Wow that was just knew that 😧
It was already confirmed that Jak is Mar.
Mar may be credited as building Haven City and other technology, but that doesn't necessarily mean he had in-depth technical knowledge like Keira or Vin. Jak/Mar is not merely a fighter; he is also a leader. I imagine he would have directed and overseen the construction of buildings or technology that would protect lives and improve welfare.
For example, both Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are responsible for projects involving space rockets, but Bezos doesn't have anywhere near the same in-depth knowledge that Musk has. But he has a good enough high level understanding to oversee a complex project like that, and like he is very focused on achieving results.
Okay so samos was originally from the future and that was found out in jak 2... well who were the other sages in the land.. if any.. and who was the original green sage in jak and daxtar the precursor legacy ?and who is Kieras mom? Or Jaks mom.. or daxtars parents.. jesus so many questions
The way I see it, Samos turned out to be the green sage just in time??? Hehehe yeah you do bring up an interesting point. Then again, there could have been another green sage before Samos.
I don't think there was a green sage until Samos showed up, that's why it was their destiny to go back.
whats the music in the intro bro
Cavern of Remembrance Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix.
@@VtnVivi knew i heard it somewhere
But Sandover Village is in the Haven City near slums...
P. S Great video!
Pieniek POL Actually... according to Samos' hut, SOV was in Dead Town.
Yes, only hundreds of years after it became post apocalyptic by the metal head attack and the plain war of the people and the precursors themselves (aka their remains which were so valuable, people wanted to destroy or steal it)
Sandover was located around Haven City, that's what I meant.
Bro can u please do the transition from Crash and Spyro to Jak and Ratchet
I will keep that in mind. I can't promise the day it'll get uploaded.
thanks bro i don't care when u upload it bro take ur time
My God, Naughty Dog should know that fans of this game are spending their time to get stuff like this down to a science. We need another game...or maybe they just like seeing us run around like heads with our chickens cut off.
remember damos was jack father
Yes he was.
Maybe a very stupid question, but... Is Daxter Jak's brother, cousin or just his friend?
Just a friend, best friend.
His pet
If another game is made, and it's a sequel, it better start a brand new story (like Lost Frontier attempted). Otherwise, the whole time travel will get so ridiculously complicated and dumb that everything will forever be terrible :|
Time travel I know...
Is Jaks Uncle "aka the explorer mar or kor"
Jak's uncle just had an uncle figure, not biological. If ANYTHING, maybe ancestry.
i wonder the people that did the miner voice actor that did one of the movie and other video games series as well. mmmmmm:)
What happened to misty Island in Jak2 and 3 ?
I think Misty Island evolved into that lurker cave in Jak 2
@@Lancelot1995 what makes you guess that?
@@ryancreecy9105 Misty Island was like the base of the lurkers in Jak & Daxter. Can’t imagine them just letting the island disappear altogether. Plus it’s not far from Samos’ Hut(accessible via the boat in Sandover Village) which geographically isn’t that far off from the distance from Samos’ Hut in Deadtown to the Lurker Cave via the pump station area(if you choose to access the cave via the pump station, that is).
@@Lancelot1995 hmmm 🤔 never thought of it like that that does make sense
7:14-7:39 you show a scene when damas said to jak to find his son mar and he shows jak a amulet and the amulet he shows to jak the kid in jak 2 was wering that amulet and that kid was jak as a kid so JAK IS MAR
Jak and Daxter Lol. No. Not only are you implying Damas knew Mar in person (which isn't too far-fetched admittely), but claiming that Jak is The Mar simply because his name is too Mar. That's just plain naive and poor judgment. He's called Mar because he was named Mar, not because he is The Mar. Damas has clearly regarded both Mars as two different people, and what would be the point in contradicting Damas being Jak's Father. Veger and others also do not treat Jak as if he was The Mar, since they knew about him since he was a kid where he was originally called Mar, picking up on the name, Jak, in TPL, likely the doing by Samos. Jak has been targetted for his abilities, never because of his hypothetical legacy/forefather/ancestor status. The JaD narrative supports Jak being the descendant as oppose to the ascendant.
Tbh, Id like the unique factor of Sly being the descendant (though through specific time traveling storytelling in a Sly 5, he could BECOME the ascendant) while Jak (the superior character) is the ascendant, but right now both are descendants as far as their legacies go. You dont get to decide a character is something like this without existing development or obvious foreshadowing.
Theres not enough concentrated foreshadowing in the Sly or JaD Tetralogy to conclude or rationally claim both are ascendants - yes this includes S5's true ending and the ending of J3 via Ashelin's cliche comment.
Jak worked with the precursors all along the game. he was pure until the dark eco and yet fulfilled his tasks. He eventually became the hero like his father. Indeed, nothing more or less. And if he weren't THE MAR, he sure was the ancestor of the great builder. But yet again, Mar was just a name and became famous over time
Well said.
So basically, the "Bob" of the series? Meh, *at best* he's a lost cousin of some kind. GGGG+ Grandfather? Given there being no lineage connections with Jak in TPL, unlike his uncle, it's essentially illogical. If they can confirm his uncle relative in TPL, why not the Warrior if he was? Could pull at straws and say the "original" ideas of the sequels could have expanded on it, but that's a point with no strong support, especially since ND never admitted JII was suppose to be like something else. Definitely not Mar by any means either.
I mean, Haven City was built around Sandover, anyone who lived on that island could have been Jak's ancestor. Perhaps not the warrior, but someone who eventually showed up. The uncle was a portrayal, just like how Samos was a father figure.
If I had the authority to make jak 4 I would call it the jakanddaxter the lost lagacy and it would be jak and faster returning to the village and rebuilding the village and fighting metal heads and much more and maya and gol come back and the storyline would describe how they survived I mean I would make it happen and a lot of jakanddaxter fans would love it
Lost Legacy hmm... Pretty neat.
The True Gamer Forget that they made Uncharted Lost Legacy pretty sure they wont use that one again
It’s impossible for Jak to be Mar.
It's not impossible time travel is a thing or did you forget?
How about jaks uncle?
U know the adventure from the first game.
He was portrayed as his uncle, he was just that not biological.
VTNVIVI not trying to sound snobby or what not, but where did u find this? I've been curious about this character for a while and I would love to get more info on him.
Ilovejak1but2yeslitbity
Bogumila Czwakiel Do you not know how to use space?
He look LOT like jak maybe he is real mar
Does jack have a love interest in Keira or Ashlin
I'd ultimately say Keira.
Anyway, I don't think this theory is to be real because the first game was based on jak.... and there wasn't any true backstory, cos naughty dog had the sudden second game, completely being off of the original first game... Only there, a true story happened.... This otherwise becomes a mess.... Mar has just created Haven City to protect it from evil. he and Keira and the other kids (by generations) just grew and defended, creating the walls. Eventually, apocalypse came, the lurkers turned to run from the world, hunted down and a new dark breed the metal heads started happening.... All involves on destroying or gaining precursor power. Everyone thrives for it, every villager wants to know and the sages are meant to protect and guide the eco that they have studied and been able to control....
And the only one to eventually know were Jak and Daxter. Jak was the boy he thought of being Mar yes, the ancestor of the savior who created Haven, the wall against ultimate destruction... Look at the warrior, he wears funny knight armor, just to show off some funny weak warrior that happens to ask for orbs and help... Like any special villager, sometimes looking stereotypical.
Anyway, Keira was one of the first to let the zoomers exist, and Jak was the one meeting the precursors in jak 3... jadajda back to timelapse, the old sandover village etc found the 'hero' back, from the future.
Damas was the leader in haven, he died, Jak took over and wanted to protect the precursors that he met during the third game. He or someone perfected time travel in some way or another and boom badoom cos they found the kid in Jak 2, they had to make sure he goes back 'home' to make sure the endless time cycle of the hero doesn't die or distort the universe.... Man, a lot to say here
Out of everything, I believe someone eventually showed up in Sandover and started this whole lineage, judging by how Sandover is in ruins in Haven. It's just the warrior could that one person. It was still fun to discuss nonetheless.
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So you know stuff...
VTNVIVI here my stance on the jak being mar..... Mar/Jak is the only CONFIRMED character to have the name Mar ever also Jak's connection to the precursors and the sages (ESPECIALLY SAMOS) Jak has a high intelligence by jak 3 but doesn't display dark eco testing in the second game should have at least corrupted jak's mind but what if his mind was too strong to be corrupted by the dark eco so instead it infected and corrupted his blood giving him the dark powers not only that but he is the only character that has the skils and capacity to control all ecos including dark white and light I considered Jak to be the Omni sage after playing the first 2 games and got half through 3 then the scene where Damos jak's father dies hearing Damos reveal the kid to be named Mar I began Thinking and I mean THINKING by Jak 1's ending Jak is a hero and considered a new sage by the other sages now take that into consideration with how the INCREDIBLY SMART AND TECH ADVANCED BLUE SAGE even states how Jak has an incredible ability to channel eco so between the events of 1's ending and Jak 2's start Jak could have picked up a few things watching the blue sage also living around Kiera for all those years could have also affect his level of intelligence so that clears mind now brawn jak can clear a lurker ambush with or without the help of any eco even clears out entire squads of krimzon guards before tapping into dark jak for an offensive advantage Mar's tomb in jak 2 also has a lot to do with my proof why would the precursor give Jak the stone even though Jaks blood was corrupted with dark eco yeah he has the Mar lineage in him but youd think if the Precursors didn't already know if Jak was Mar they wouldn't have trusted Jak with the stone before Praxis took it in jak 2 further evidence in jak 2 is if jak was a normal person the Dark eco injections should have killed him his talent to channel ALL FORMS of eco is near unnatural levels his skill is uncommon if not nearly impossible except for the fact of EVERYTHING HE HAS BEEN AROUND IN HIS LIFE it is possible with Kiera's help jak made a time machine with vin's lab transported sometime into the past after the denizens of sandover village have died and Jak began building Haven city jak could have been Mar as he has vast hidden intelligence but him being Mar didn't mean he did it alone Kiera made the a-grav-zoomer in Jak1 she goes back in time with jak and develops the hover craft transportation system by recreating what she has seen with what she already created in the a grav jak could have then started laying the foundations of creating Haven city from what he remembers which is why Mars tomb is in the city's center after laying the fisrt settlements people from around the world start getting attacked by metal heads that were birthed by he metal heads from rift gate at the start of jak 2 thus the first residents of Haven city are born as families are being created buildings and jobs are becoming high in demand enter the bazaar slums and industrial sectors jak if he was Mar already knew what to make and where to place them so if young self in the future can then go and complete the cycle again basically to shorten it Jak has a vast mind from being a mute by birth not being able to talk helped him grow intelligent by observations then after he developed speech he grew MORE and all of this started with his first connection to a precursor OPENING THAT STONE the precursors gifted Young Jak unnatural talent and abilities (look at his fist when he punch same with his kicks his hands and feet almost triple in size upon attack) Jaks first encounter with a Precursor as a child made him become Mar though it not be his own will he was ALWAYS destined to be Mar as the Mar cycle never ends jak grows up in the past goes into the future learns he is Mar goes into past sets up things so his younger self can accomplish everything he is destined to accomplish Jaks life is almost immortal since his life keeps looping because of time travel that's why I believe he is Mar
You sure wrote a lot!!! Thank you for taking the time. So pretty much, Jak goes back in time sometime in the future, he doesn't go alone he takes Kierra along with him, what about Daxter, what would have happened to him? Daxter would never leave Jak behind, Jak wouldn't even leave him behind he said so in Jak 3. Maybe Daxter joined the precursors? Jak being Mar is possible with time travel, but with what we currently have right now, it seems he isn't.
Well like you said Daxter being a ottsel allowed him the chance to tag along with the precursors seen at the end of Jak 3 lets say Daxter agreed to it so long as Tess can come with him along with being tasked to see over Jak in al forms of time such as young Jak after he went to sandover who knows maybe when ottsel daxter dies as a precursor he uses his spirit to posses the human Daxter in order to continue watching over Jak in his young age though the possession erased most of precursor Daxter memory one thing lingered in his mind "I have to stay with this kid " could explain why falling into the dark eco turned human daxter into an ottsel yet when playing the game I just kills jak and pretty much everything else that almost kinda explains why Daxter is pretty much inseparable after he met Jak again it follows how Jaks life is a looping timeline born in haven raised in sandover fight gol and maia go to the future meet young Jak and protect himself beat Kor see the light of the stone get arrested and banished to the wasteland meet your father without even know until he dies beat the dark makers and errol get offered a Precursor level Journey turn em down (then the events of X combat racing which I still have yet to play) then its at this momet after those for games jak realizes something he has to go back in time to build haven city again going back to the time loop he knows his name is mar leading Jak to go "shit I gotta go back and create haven city" Daxter also thinks go with Jak or join the precursors then a bombshell is dropped right before he leaves with Jak the time machine Jak Kierra only has enough power to transport 2 people hence why Daxter joins the Precursors on the grounds he can continuously watch over Jak in all time frames and so Daxter life will have to loop aswell based of my theory in a whole....... woo my fingers hurt from typing that...
People say "Mar built this"... We can't really believe everything they say. I also believe Jak is Mar and that Kiera helped him build all (The City, Gun) that plus the things he learned from his entire life.
Was Jak’s Uncle really Jak’s Uncle??
I always took it as portrayal.
OMG the game has said it jak is MAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they said it in the third jak get it already has mar!
Good old is Jak Mar debate...
More like fan fiction
*Ouchie ouch*
isn't the explorer in sandover village jaks Uncle?
Yes, but the first game didn't add a true storyline to the characters. It is kept to a theory or fanwork really.... The second game completely diverted from the first afterall with a reason... Naughty Dog wanted to abandon the kid's games and start Uncharted and the Last of Us.. Right after the badass change of Jak and daxter....
He was simply portrayed, it's not possible for him to be his biological uncle.
yeah I realised that after the fact.
Jak is mar, it says it in the 3rd game
The ending with Ashlin? Not entirely convinced :P
No not really, just because he is Mar, and Ashlin was like "he is Mar? THE Mar?" Doesn't 100% mean he is the Mar who created his lineage cause he would be his own ancestor, and yes after 200 or 300 years that wouldn't really matter as much but I highly doubt he is The Mar who built haven city.
@@Ragingknight12 You have the reading comprehension of a toddler in that case. The writers very, very clearly meant that he is "the" Mar. Literal children can pick up on this it isn't subtle or complicated.
@@Eagle45678910 I have perfect reading comprehension, I just personally don't think he is that Mar. When I first played the games I believed he was the Mar, and them as I got older I didn't. But it's a video game so it doesn't exactly matter.
@@Ragingknight12 no, you have bad reading comprehension.
Sometimes a warrior is just... a warrior. I feel like this one is a BIG stretch tbh