Hi, Ive been searching for like 10 years for the song that I gladly heard two days ago, but I dont know the name of the song. it is going like: mifiél mifiél ...... israell. something like that i dont know if the words are good but the entire party room for simchat torah was singing it too. also I am searching for the song that the rabbis keep repeating every 30 minutes. when they sing that song they all hold the torah in a line and walked trough the room singin the song. you know which song it is?
+ParraBest Hey there! I think the song you're looking for is in Part 2! th-cam.com/video/2tBe_CilzgE/w-d-xo.html Check song #4 in that one. Pretty sure that's the one you want. As for the other song that's sung while walking in a line... I can't be sure EXACTLY by the way you're describing it... but if it's right at the beginning of each round, and everyone says the exact words back, it's probably Aneinu. Can you remember if they said "Aneinu, Aneinu, B'Yom Koreinu"? - Eli
very nice explained but can you answer me, why as a jewish woman would i want to stand and watch the men dance and not be part of it? this is why many jews choose alternative ways to be jewish in a more egalitarian community.
Hi Seagull (I assume Sigal. Cute play on words there, if that's the case), Firstly, thank you for the kind words. Secondly, to your questions, while I, personally, am Orthodox/modern-Orthodox, I don't believe that you must follow what I follow in order to enjoy the holiday, or any holiday for that matter. What I share most often just happens to be from my particular side of things. Also, having grown up going and participated in the parts of Jewish Toronto that I did (in B'nai Torah, BAYT-type shuls, if you happen to be familiar with them. Orthodox/modern-Orthodox if you aren't familiar), I regularly saw women fully participating in Simchat Torah dancing. Men and women were just dancing separately. Looking back at the services I've attended, I can easily recall years where I've seen the women being more energetic or louder than the men. If Egal works better for you, I don't see anything wrong with that. I've participated in Conservative, Reform and Egal services in the past, myself, and can understand their draws for different people. So in regards to why you would want to choose to participate or not, I'd say that's up to you, both to make your own decisions as to what you're looking for, and to seek out places that fit that criteria. In regards to the larger construction of Judaism itself, I could only share my personal opinions at this point. I hope that provides some kind of answer to you. Chag Sameach!
thank you for taking time to answer but the big question is who decides that men are at the center of this or other religion? my inspiration for this question is Yotchak Beshiv singer who wrote "Yentel". why should i be tolerant of a religion that is not tolerant of my belief systems? i ask because i watch the development of the clash between orthodox and liberal in Israel and i know how the orthodox view the liberal as crazy..yes, women may dance but they do not get to hold the torah and we are 50% of the jews, does that not make you feel unconfortable ?
+Seagull B Actually, depending on the place, I have seen women, in Orthodox shuls in Toronto, holding the Torah. Though, I admit, those places have been few. It was actually a big debate in one of the shuls I attended for quite a few years (which, sadly, no longer exists). The split was nearly even across both sides. Most of the debate for the"No" side was centered around the issues of Niddah (menstruation) and Taharah (ritual purity), and there were some strong arguments countering those points from the "Yes" side. Women were part of the discussion (on both sides, I should note), but it was, indeed, men that made the final decision. If I recall correctly, the women were given a Pasul Torah (a Torah that has something that makes it not usable for Torah reading during services) to dance with, as kind of a compromise. Though my understanding of all the nuances is limited, I believe the core issues of that particular debate are some of the same ones for why most of Orthodoxy does not allow women to touch or hold the Torah in general services. However, I think a much bigger issue comes into play, which is the general concept (many would say requirement) of men separating themselves from women during prayer, not just because of ritual purity, but because of maintaining focus on prayer. And I say men from women in that order for a very specific reason. Though in practice, women tend to be separated from men, and men who are adamant about doing this follow that line, it is men who need to be separating themselves from women if you follow the intent of it. A man who does not listen to Kol Isha (the voice of a woman singing) is supposed to separate himself from her, not force her out of the room or tell her to be quiet (though a woman who would start to sing with the intent of driving that man from a room would be pulling a pretty big jerk move). The case is the same, again, as far as I am aware, for prayer, with the added caveat that, in most cases, there is no requirement for women to pray, while there is for men. If that is so, and shuls were designed with the intent of being spaces for men to fulfill that obligation, and were designed by and for men who both wanted to fulfill that obligation and were of the mindset that they needed to be separated from women as part of that, it only makes sense that Orthodox shuls operate the way they do. Now that women are praying more, and want to be more involved with the service than ever before, there is a tidal shift. But I don't expect that it will be a quick one in Orthodoxy. I see women having the ability to make halachic (rule-related) decisions, especially when it comes to women's issues, as a far more import issue to resolve in the short term. And I see changes like Marahats, Rabanits/Rabbas, Yoatzot Halacha, etc. as a step in the right direction. So I think the short answer to your last question is both yes and no, and it depends on the context behind the rule.
Jewish Music Toronto i appreciate very much your taking the time to answer. I think it is absurd to say a women 's natural physical cycle is not clean but men's natural body functions are. It took me years and yoga to realize just how damaging orthodox judaism is to girls and women's self image and my own. Women in general suffer from low self esteem regarding possibilities and in relationships too often suffer from male dominance so when i see men dancing with the torah i consider the male dominance in the bible. Moses was a man as was Abraham and the wives were less dominant. It is time to liberate ourselves from male dominance everywhere if we are ever to abolish crimes against girls and women based on male dominance. I look foreward to an American woman president and to women becoming rabbis and changing stupid backwards ideas regarding purity. It is a state of mind. you see evil if you are evil. no longer able to attend traditional.synagogue nor any .just makes me angry to think all those years of male dominance celebrated.Nothing sentimental attaches me to that anymore.
+HRAF OD Hey there! In regards to your question, I would guess that you'd be able to find it on iTunes, either on its own, or as part of a Simchat Torah medley. If not, there are probably a ton of different versions that you could find on Mostly Music or CD Baby, like this one - mostlymusic.com/products/toras-hashem-cd There are so many artists who've recorded the song, I wouldn't even know which one to recommend anyway! :p
+Luiza Wandalsen Oh, thank you kindly Luiza. I'll have to do that in some future video for these songs. For now though, you can always watch other videos from my sing-along series. Those are music all the way through, and just an outro at the end.
I just want to say that you did a very nice job but as we celebrate the torah it is time to question the male dominance of the religion that leaves women outside the main circle. it sends a strong message to the community that men are at the center of the religion and yes, i heard of role division but i never understood why the religion designates women to the kitchen and men to the prayer? You did a wonderful job in teaching the songs. i used to do this with small children in a liberal community, you are very good at clarifying so maybe you can answer this question that has been on mind lately. thank you ! cha sumach !
+ParraBest Hello again! I've included links to all of the lyrics in the description, so be sure to check there! That said, If you're asking about Se'u She'arim, its title is transliterated a number of ways, so you may have to try a few different versions of the spelling to get exactly what you're looking for, assuming that I didn't provide the information you need in the description. By the way! While you're here, be sure to subscribe for more! All it takes is a click to th-cam.com/users/JewishMusicToronto
Hi, Ive been searching for like 10 years for the song that I gladly heard two days ago, but I dont know the name of the song. it is going like: mifiél mifiél ...... israell. something like that i dont know if the words are good but the entire party room for simchat torah was singing it too.
also I am searching for the song that the rabbis keep repeating every 30 minutes. when they sing that song they all hold the torah in a line and walked trough the room singin the song. you know which song it is?
+ParraBest Hey there! I think the song you're looking for is in Part 2! th-cam.com/video/2tBe_CilzgE/w-d-xo.html Check song #4 in that one. Pretty sure that's the one you want. As for the other song that's sung while walking in a line... I can't be sure EXACTLY by the way you're describing it... but if it's right at the beginning of each round, and everyone says the exact words back, it's probably Aneinu.
Can you remember if they said "Aneinu, Aneinu, B'Yom Koreinu"?
- Eli
Thank you for the explanation. Not all of us know the details. :)
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very nice explained but can you answer me, why as a jewish woman would i want to stand and watch the men dance and not be part of it? this is why many jews choose alternative ways to be jewish in a more egalitarian community.
Hi Seagull (I assume Sigal. Cute play on words there, if that's the case),
Firstly, thank you for the kind words.
Secondly, to your questions, while I, personally, am Orthodox/modern-Orthodox, I don't believe that you must follow what I follow in order to enjoy the holiday, or any holiday for that matter. What I share most often just happens to be from my particular side of things.
Also, having grown up going and participated in the parts of Jewish Toronto that I did (in B'nai Torah, BAYT-type shuls, if you happen to be familiar with them. Orthodox/modern-Orthodox if you aren't familiar), I regularly saw women fully participating in Simchat Torah dancing. Men and women were just dancing separately. Looking back at the services I've attended, I can easily recall years where I've seen the women being more energetic or louder than the men.
If Egal works better for you, I don't see anything wrong with that. I've participated in Conservative, Reform and Egal services in the past, myself, and can understand their draws for different people.
So in regards to why you would want to choose to participate or not, I'd say that's up to you, both to make your own decisions as to what you're looking for, and to seek out places that fit that criteria.
In regards to the larger construction of Judaism itself, I could only share my personal opinions at this point.
I hope that provides some kind of answer to you. Chag Sameach!
thank you for taking time to answer but the big question is who decides that men are at the center of this or other religion? my inspiration for this question is Yotchak Beshiv singer who wrote "Yentel". why should i be tolerant of a religion that is not tolerant of my belief systems? i ask because i watch the development of the clash between orthodox and liberal in Israel and i know how the orthodox view the liberal as crazy..yes, women may dance but they do not get to hold the torah and we are 50% of the jews, does that not make you feel unconfortable ?
+Seagull B Actually, depending on the place, I have seen women, in Orthodox shuls in Toronto, holding the Torah. Though, I admit, those places have been few.
It was actually a big debate in one of the shuls I attended for quite a few years (which, sadly, no longer exists). The split was nearly even across both sides. Most of the debate for the"No" side was centered around the issues of Niddah (menstruation) and Taharah (ritual purity), and there were some strong arguments countering those points from the "Yes" side. Women were part of the discussion (on both sides, I should note), but it was, indeed, men that made the final decision. If I recall correctly, the women were given a Pasul Torah (a Torah that has something that makes it not usable for Torah reading during services) to dance with, as kind of a compromise.
Though my understanding of all the nuances is limited, I believe the core issues of that particular debate are some of the same ones for why most of Orthodoxy does not allow women to touch or hold the Torah in general services.
However, I think a much bigger issue comes into play, which is the general concept (many would say requirement) of men separating themselves from women during prayer, not just because of ritual purity, but because of maintaining focus on prayer. And I say men from women in that order for a very specific reason. Though in practice, women tend to be separated from men, and men who are adamant about doing this follow that line, it is men who need to be separating themselves from women if you follow the intent of it. A man who does not listen to Kol Isha (the voice of a woman singing) is supposed to separate himself from her, not force her out of the room or tell her to be quiet (though a woman who would start to sing with the intent of driving that man from a room would be pulling a pretty big jerk move).
The case is the same, again, as far as I am aware, for prayer, with the added caveat that, in most cases, there is no requirement for women to pray, while there is for men. If that is so, and shuls were designed with the intent of being spaces for men to fulfill that obligation, and were designed by and for men who both wanted to fulfill that obligation and were of the mindset that they needed to be separated from women as part of that, it only makes sense that Orthodox shuls operate the way they do.
Now that women are praying more, and want to be more involved with the service than ever before, there is a tidal shift. But I don't expect that it will be a quick one in Orthodoxy. I see women having the ability to make halachic (rule-related) decisions, especially when it comes to women's issues, as a far more import issue to resolve in the short term. And I see changes like Marahats, Rabanits/Rabbas, Yoatzot Halacha, etc. as a step in the right direction.
So I think the short answer to your last question is both yes and no, and it depends on the context behind the rule.
Jewish Music Toronto i appreciate very much your taking the time to answer.
I think it is absurd to say a women 's natural physical cycle is not clean but men's natural body functions are.
It took me years and yoga to realize just how damaging orthodox judaism is to girls and women's self image and my own. Women in general suffer from low self esteem regarding possibilities and in relationships too often suffer from male dominance so when i see men dancing with the torah i consider the male dominance in the bible. Moses was a man as was Abraham and the wives were less dominant.
It is time to liberate ourselves from male dominance everywhere if we are ever to abolish crimes against girls and women based on male dominance.
I look foreward to an American woman president and to women becoming rabbis and changing stupid backwards ideas regarding purity. It is a state of mind.
you see evil if you are evil.
no longer able to attend traditional.synagogue nor any .just makes me angry to think all those years of male dominance celebrated.Nothing sentimental attaches me to that anymore.
Thank you !!
HELLO.... I AM FROM MOROCCO... CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE I CAN FIND Torat Hashem Temimah AUDIO FORMAT .MP3 OR .WAV PLEASE ...
+HRAF OD Hey there! In regards to your question, I would guess that you'd be able to find it on iTunes, either on its own, or as part of a Simchat Torah medley. If not, there are probably a ton of different versions that you could find on Mostly Music or CD Baby, like this one - mostlymusic.com/products/toras-hashem-cd
There are so many artists who've recorded the song, I wouldn't even know which one to recommend anyway! :p
wonderful! what a fun way to learn!
+Warlanda So glad you enjoyed it! Be sure to share, and to come back tomorrow for Part 2!
I do know where to get the music words to the songs you sang. You said below??? Thank you.
Hi Dell,
Which song were you looking for? All the songs should be linked in the video description. They are still appearing for me.
Thank you ! Toda.
Thank YOU for watching!
I always sing all the word all the way
You can post you singing without the explanation? will be great just listen to you.... ;)
+Luiza Wandalsen Oh, thank you kindly Luiza. I'll have to do that in some future video for these songs. For now though, you can always watch other videos from my sing-along series. Those are music all the way through, and just an outro at the end.
I just want to say that you did a very nice job but as we celebrate the torah it is time to question the male dominance of the religion that leaves women outside the main circle. it sends a strong message to the community that men are at the center of the religion and yes, i heard of role division but i never understood why the religion designates women to the kitchen and men to the prayer? You did a wonderful job in teaching the songs. i used to do this with small children in a liberal community, you are very good at clarifying so maybe you can answer this question that has been on mind lately. thank you ! cha sumach !
Reform believes men and women are equal.
and whats the name of the last song of this part?
+ParraBest Hello again! I've included links to all of the lyrics in the description, so be sure to check there! That said, If you're asking about Se'u She'arim, its title is transliterated a number of ways, so you may have to try a few different versions of the spelling to get exactly what you're looking for, assuming that I didn't provide the information you need in the description.
By the way! While you're here, be sure to subscribe for more! All it takes is a click to th-cam.com/users/JewishMusicToronto
have a good simhat torah today!
Thank you kindly! I did!