I always thought they found a dead body in the water of the cave and Tom maybe reanimated the corpse unintentionally (because he wasn’t completely in tune with his powers yet so it could’ve been involuntary) and the kids obviously freaked out. Hence the idea to use inferi to guard his horcrux later on.
Hey was incredibly gifted. He also had no idea how to control it and no adult wizard around to teach him how to keep it from misfiring. Pretty much he found a ZF-1 from The Fifth Element and was jusy randomly hitting buttons.
@@WaddIes I don't don't she would as its not a movie version of the books that she's wrote, it's a subplot movie which she has no conyrol of as she has never written/expanded on the stories and plus, if they are just fan films she has no authority over the fans and their decisions so!
When JK says that she "won't reveal" how something was done, or what happened; what she actually means is "I didn't really come up with anything, so I left it a 'mystery'."
Hmm. I always assumed that he used a version of the cruciatus on them. At one point Tom said that he could make people who annoy him hurt. I always assumed when he said that, he was thinking of when he put the torture curse on the two orphans in the cave.
Haha but I don't see him dragging hundreds of corpses down there 😂 he can't fit all of them at the same time so does he do it one by one? Well to be fair he did have quite much perseverance. But that would have been SO unbalanced effort compared with the other horcruxes
It does make sense in a way, it would also answer to why Dumbledore was disappointed that it was a blood tribute to get through the wall. Also makes sense to why he thought that the boat was Voldemort‘s particular brand of magic, maybe the cave was pre-existing and Voldemort only added the boat and basin. And maybe some corpses for good measure haha
My theory is this..... Tom and the other 2 children came upon the cave during low tide, which made the entrance accessible by land. The 2 muggle kids followed Tom into the cave because they were told to stay in groups of 3. Tom was drawn into the cave by the dark energy coming from it. This energy unnerved the other 2 kid, who wanted Tom to leave with them right away but Tom refused. Tom came to the body of water within the cave. It. Was dark inside except for the light coming from the entrance. They had been good for some time a d the other 2 kids were getting thirsty. They decided to drink from the pool of water inside the cave. Tom did nothing to warn them off from drinking from it. That is what activated the Inferni in the water. The 2 kids watched as dead, decaying corpses slowly crawled from the water they were gonna drink from. The terrified kids began to run from the cave, trying to pull Tom with them, but they were bewildered when the creatures stopped before Tom as if he was their master. The kids backed out of the cave speechless from witnessing this. Tom could somehow command the dead. Their minds could not comprehend what they saw, not could they ever forget what they saw. They were terrified into speechlessness.
I love that idea. Voldemort himself comes across as almost an anti-prophet. Abrahamic mythology (my reference frame for this concept) often portrays prophets as being able to perform miracles (or at least being involved in miraculous signs) from a young age. If Voldemort is an anti-prophet, this could be his first miracle.
@@minecraftsteve6997 The cave was already full of dark energy. I extrapolated that the Inferni were already there,. .,. And yes. I have read the books. Regulus was killed by the Inferni. That does not mean Riddle created them. That is a wrong assumption.
@@minecraftsteve6997 don't think it specifically says in the books where the inferi came from. And if it did it would have just been an assumption from Harry or Dumbledore as they wouldn't know for sure
Maybe I went a dark route in my own head cannon, but my theory was that he terribly tortured the kids in ways that didn't leave physical marks, or invaded their minds and drove them mad.
I always kinda thought since he had such a close personal relationship and ability to communicate with snakes that possibly this cave was filled with a ton of venomous sea snakes that the children would have known could kill them easily and Tom used them to scare them into petrified silence.. though hearing your discription now makes more sense lol who knows(aside from J.K. Rowling) I wish we could get some better clues someday !!
There are no venomous sea snakes in the Atlantic Ocean. They found in the Pacific and the Indian Ocean. He could have encountered a snake but they are uncommon in Great Britain.
I imagine he mainly tortured them and tested the limits of various mind tortures so they became a broken shell. Too much torture can make people lose their minds. Voldemort seems a more smart and sophisticated dark lord rather than a thrill seeker. If I were to write something for this episode it'll be something like this: He entices those 2 kids to follow him into the cave with nice words and fascinating premisses. They sense something is wrong but couldn't resist. His words zombifies them to believing a false premise. It builds up a sense of excitement. He seems charming and daring. As they enter, he amuses them with tricks and spells. Turning water into wine, he get them increasingly drunk. Finally, as they lose control of their senses he starts letting loose. Simple pain spells follow mind tortures. Hours pass and he learns how deep dark magic can take him and how much he could achieve. As their minds break he realises a dark truth - he enjoys the feeling this power gives him. He enjoys it alot.
Considering Tom couldn’t do specific spells the water into wine seems very unlikely and I also rlly doubt he got them drunk he was 9 or something I don’t think that would have occurred to him also the children knew he was creepy it’s not like hog warts where he could start over and act the perfect student they already knew him yeah him using some kind of wand less torture curse is the other theory but the drunk bit seems very unlikely 😂😂😂😂😂
Interesting theory ! I'd always thought Voldemort created all the Inferi in the lake... but now that I think about it - it would've taken him a while...
@@josephcrews6423 He killed many people, but only a fraction of them disappeared. If you want to spread terror you want people to find the corpses of their loved ones. Of course, some people disappear, but some are just under the Imperius curse, and not everyone would be brought into that cave. And you can't just kill hundreds of Muggles in a limited area. If more than a few people go missing in a small area, authorities will make trouble.
I thought that some of the inferi were made from the bodies of Voldemort's own victims, but that he had his death eaters turn over the bodies of their victims as well, and those added to the numbers.
@@josephcrews6423 But how would he get them there? I mean... it would be kinda suspicious if a bunch of zombies were just marching through the country...
I love your theory, the idea the Inferi were already there. I can easily imagine a cursed village, of smugglers leading ships to crash onto the rocks, and 'salvage' their cargos. Perhaps a wizard with a degree of contempt for muggles, and their own base nature. Just setting a trap to ensnare the greedy. Leaving them to starve and die, until the village was lost.
It's a great a theory. It would make sense that the two kids would have been terrified by such a sight and never be able to describe what they saw without people telling them they're crazy.
Good theory. We know Voldemort was capable of unsupported flight, I don't think it's a far stretch to imagine he would have been capable of it as a child. Maybe he just flew with them over the waters, to the cave.
Simple is good. I'd wondered how Riddle had found all those corpses in the first place and how no one had noticed the grave robbing or murders. I do like the idea of someone else had put them there years or even centuries ago. Maybe even multiple somebodies?
Fishing is one of the most dangerous occupations there is especially around Britain with the treacherous tides that can sometimes happen in the English Channel. It would not be that difficult for some dark wizard to put an enchantment on the cave to collect already dead bodies. Even if the inferi were already there they would have to have a way of replenishing their numbers because they're still rotting away.
I don’t think the children kept quiet on their own, I think he tried to use some sort of magic on them to control them and keep them from talking about him and whatever happened. For people like that, controlling others is the main objective.
Tom led them into the cave and then told them about Raid: Shadow Legends and how if they signed up right now they would get a brand new arcane warrior and 10,000 free silver. He wouldn't let them leave until they joined his party.
I think it’s great that JK has left this kind of stuff to the imagination of the reader. All we know is that it was something horrifying in that cave, but it allows our minds to come up with whatever scares *us* personally, like putting a boggart in place of the explanation.
Also lets me imagine things I don't WANT to imagine in my children's literature. If I wanted Lovecraftian horror, I'd be reading the Shadow Over Innsmouth.
I remember watching the deleted scene in the half blood prince when Dumbledore mentions this to Harry and I wish the movies made Voldemort much more menacing and scary like this because after the second movie I never was able to take him seriously because of his design and of how the actor portrayed him and he didn't really come off as a terrifying dark lord and more like just made weird noises and would have temper tantrums
That's actually a very intriguing theory. The one I had prior to watching this was quite different. My thought was, Tom Riddle would have been limited to using basic, wandless magic that he could come up with from his own imagination and experimentation at that young age. The most conspicuous of his known and developed abilities at that point was that he could talk to snakes. So I thought he might have happened across snakes in the cave and used them to frighten the other two children with him. I think your theory is better, though.
I always assumed that Tom did something to the other kids, maybe hurt them with magic in a way that wouldn't leave physical marks. He chose the cave becuase it was the first sense of freedom he'd had, it would have been rare in the orphanage to be away from adults long enough. He wanted somewhere no one would see or find them. But interesting explanation.
Maybe Rowling went in the cave too at some point and like the 2 children, was too traumatised to talk about it. Same with how to create a Horcrux. Maybe she saw someone making one and that traumatised her too.
That's a good theory... I know that some creative people are influenced by major events that happened to them and these events find their way into their art, good or bad. I think JK Rowling is one of these people...
I would take it even further than this theory did by stating that not only did Tom expose the kids to the Infery, but he used them to torture the kids.
I prefer the theory that the corpse surprised Tom just as much as the other kids. When he realized they were no threat to him, he chilled and threatened the kids to keep quiet or else.
I mean she’s not supposed to interpret the book for you as well. A good writer does this, people have been so hard on her as an author and I don’t think make authors get the same flock. Like with Dumbledore being gay, she wrote a character who had feelings for a man, and it’s on paper evidenced by the letters they wrote to one another and people are saying that that’s not indicative enough... what was she supposed to write, that Dumbledore wanted to do do theatre at west end and that’s where he met Grindelwald.
I just re-read the chapters on Tom Riddle, and you know, his fearful reaction of Dumbledore being a psychologist/doctor and also how Mrs Cole talks about him, and how she thought the Mom was from the circus because of her strange name... it gives sketchy vibes. I know it's 1930s but still. I wonder if she told him he was a freak from the circus at all point, or if she's ever threatened to put him in an Asylum.
Have to admit, young Tom Riddle was a disturbing child and I thought it perfect that he was played by Ralph Fiennes' (the actor who played Lord Voldemort) nephew. Great casting since he grows up to be a true monster, but to do terrible things without a wand is terrifying
I have always been very interested in the background stories of the villains in HP, so these videos are great! In my opinion, the last books when we learn about the Gaunts and the childhood of Voldemort are the best ones.
My theory is that Tom somehow summoned the inferi to him and he might have seen brief visions of the dark wizard that made them. Seeing all this gave him a sense of a much higher purpose, and higher power. Compelling Tom to torture the orphans mentally, to test his power in such a place, knowing how weak they are in comparison. All the while, he learnt that dark magic could be used to alter life itself.
I know that people say that Tom Riddle or Voldemort should be slightly excused because he was raised in a place where no one love him. But in the half blood prints we see that the woman who takes care of the orphans is really nice and Tom has his own room clothes and toys like normal children and he is even taken on field trips so they basically regime like a normal child with parents happy and loving parents so I don’t think that Tom should be excused for that.
No the thing that messed him up was that his mother used a love potion on his father. Because of this he was conceived without “real love” that’s the danger of love potions the child then is born without knowing real love. Basically creating a super psychopathic sociopath basically. So he did not know how to feel empathy.
My theory is that this is Gellert Grindlewald’s doing after he parted from Dumbledore (during the fight at Godric’s Hollow that killed Ariana). We do know that Grindlewald wanted to take over the Ministry of Magic and turn muggles into slaves by leading an army of Inferi. So, maybe the inferi in the cave were created by Grindlewald as his growing army of inferi geared to take down the Ministry. And the cave was where he was storing the inferi to hide them from the Ministry while he was acting “underground” so that his plans wouldn’t be thwarted by any Aurors.
Tom brought Dennis and Amy to the cave using magic he could not quite understand but could control, "I can make animals do things... without training them"(like imperious). Tom took them to a dark, dangerous cave that a snake told him about, "I found out when we've been to the country on trips." Once in the cave, he pushed his ability further than he ever had before, "His ability was surprisingly well developed for such a young wizard." Tom asked them what they told Mrs. Cole after he hung Billy's rabbit. No one could prove he did it, but they, Dennis and Amy, saw him. But, they were too scared and answered that they never told Mrs. Cole. Knowing they were lying, Tom said, "TELL THE TRUTH!" He was going to make them pay, "I can make them hurt if I want to" (like crucio). He knew he could make them tell him their deepest darkest fears [mind-reading because] "he was already using them [his power] against them to frighten, to punish, to control..." His [Tom] abilities were not "the random experiments typical of young wizards." Dumbledore warned Tom that using his powers "is neither taught nor tolerated at Hogwarts... the ministry of magic... will punish lawbreakers still more severely." JKR has discussed wandless magic, and has said although it volatile- it is possible.
@@jonny8790 I thought is was obvious (at least to me), and I was excited that I had an insight something finally (I guess). Idk 🤷🏻♀️ the first time we hear the story is when Dumbledore first meets Tom. He tells the story in that order the Rabbit, the kids, and cave. Tom says, I can make ppl do thing I want them to do, and he can talk to snakes. He is a master mindreader (may be not yet); “it’s magic what I can do.” He has gone further down the path to immortality, and that he was always pushing his ability.
@@magiccloud3074 that maybe true. But jk wrote that before mentioning the cave. Harry makes his hair grow back after a hair cut, Tom makes ppl do stuff he wants without telling them, Tom hung the rabbit in an incredibly high place, they can talk to snakes, and Harry made him self out of reach (jump/fly) when bullies were after him- all with out a wand. I don’t think it’s far fetched, not for a great wizard like Voldemort.
@@magiccloud3074it’s true that while he is doing all of it I’m sure he is not saying these, or other, incantations. But in that chapter this is what JK lays out before us; the only thing I am really guessing is the the snake telling him, and why he hurts the children, but the bulk of it is in the chapter. She often gives readers obvious clues like through other characters or previous books. Additionally, She has many references of people (obscurus), and North Americans doing wandless magic (there are always outliers). Although I used Harry as a reference, Tom is on another level. Like comparing Trelawney and Grindelwald as seers, like one of them blundering through life and the other calculating every move. His skills in magic were very developed long before school. Even though Snape is a bad ass, he had a more positive-social interactions than Tom and he- Snape- wasn’t a psychopath like Tom 😊. Who is to say what could and couldn’t be, and even in the real word there are many anomalies that defy all understanding.
Maybe dark magic gives muggles uneasy feeling like being watched or being in a place that's haunted. Sense they were children in a big ominous cave coupled with the dark magic and toms dark aura. Maybe it was to much for there muggle child minds to comprehend.
My theory is that he got the children to come with him because they were afraid of him so they did not want to anger him and followed him out of fear. Once in there I bet because of the dark magic energy in the cave he was able to put their worst fears into their minds. Like he does in the films which is why he was soo good at getting into peoples minds he has been doing it since he was a child even without a wand. And that was when he fully practiced it for the first time at a stronger level.
I think its a prime example of "nothing is scarier" its better that we're able to make up and speculate about is much creepier than any definitive answer.
One thing I'd like for you to look in to is the effect the horcruxes has on a person. Voldemort got a snakelike appearance but is that what everyone gets is does the "new" appearance a twisted reflection of what's in that persons soul, i.e. would other people look differently?
Maybe the wizard that created azkaban decided to take his twisted experiments to the cave as well. You create dementors,why not inferi? He's the most likely.
Dude's chilling in the girls bathroom for some Voldemorty reason, possibly looking for exactly this, and he curses in parseltongue. "Just open up goddamit!" Sink moves and the rest is history.
@@SergioBecerraII Salazar Slytherin told certain people about the Chamber before he left the school; that started the legend off. Then there were generations of Gaunts who attended the school, who discovered/knew about the Chamber and perpetuated the legend:
@@SergioBecerraII Whispers that a monster lived in the depths of the castle were also prevalent for centuries. Again, this is because those who could hear and speak to it were not always as discreet as they might have been: the Gaunt family could not resist boasting of their knowledge.
Well this is fascinating because somehow I TOTALLY missed this little school kids field trip in the book. I guess it went Whew right over my head. It has been about 15 years since listened to this book on CD. I did of course know about the infuri. I had thought Tom did that. I never realized it was the work of another Wizard. Hopefully I will be revisiting ALL the HP books soon to re read them.
Man, I simply thought that first of, he just took there with the help of a bit of magic and then began summoning snakes using Parseltongue. The snakes scared the kids cuz Tom asked them to. And yup, they obviously got traumatised.
Honestly I think just the fact he could take them there and potentially leave them there with no way for them to escape, no way for anybody to know where they were, would have been more than enough.
this, how horcruxes are made, how voldemort was born as a baby on GoF, what happens when a dementor goes through a veil, can voldemort come out the limbo state and many things are just left to us now.
JK Rowling: *left out details about something* HP fans: It's theory time. JK Rowling: Huh, how convenient. BTW, did you know those reanimated corpses were gay?
I have always noticed that Rowling lkked to leave things open. The thing thar affected me the most was when someone sent Hermione bubotuber pus. I think that it had to be Pansy because she was eavesdropping when Hagrid asked Harry and Ron why Hermione was not in class.
I do believe that maybe JK didn't come up with anything and therefore made it "a mystery she would never reveal" and even though I'm someone who gets pleasure out of knowing things that are canon to wrap my mind around I think there are some things that maybe hold more power in their mystery, like if she were to tell us what Tom did in that cave it wouldn't give us the creeps like what we imagine for the mystery of such a terrible thing does.y'know?
Perhaps at some point there was a purge within the Wizarding World and the Ministry placed those bodies there which another Dark Wizard made use of. Tom has always been linked in some way with the Ministry.
I don't think I ever believed Voldemort created these things, either; I always assumed that it was just a well of dark magic that made a convenient hiding place.
I always thought he used an unrefined cruciatious curse after using the imperious curse to lead them there which hurt them already. My theory is that because the cruciatus was unrefined the effects were far worse, having unintended consequences that damaged them mentally. I also have the distinct impression that he did something to their souls. Also I think the inferi were all of the missing people who were brought to the cave via the imperious curse and murdered, anchoring them there.
I would have to re-read the books to be sure; but I believe it says that Tom created those inferi and placed them there, he didn't just find them. He also used inferi during his first bid for power.
hello dean, i have a request for another video! well this crossed my mind the other day, and i dont know much of how to make theories or stuff you need to prove or what to search for, so i decided to tell you, it might make no sense but it does and if you can turn it into another awesome video of urs it would be incredible. okays, so it is that dumbledore *is* indeed the one who killed Ariana. as i know, killing splits one's soul nd they, maybe, cant go to the after-life, then they would be stuck in limbo, and when harry went there in Deathly Hallow, he met dumbledore, so what if the reason to that is that dumbledore was the one responsible for Ariana's death, that is why he was stuck there and didnt just go to the after life. as i said i dont know or umderstand much about limbo and stuff, but i though it would be interesting!
Voldemort is stupid The cave was an obvious place to hide a horcrux. If he: Buried them Transfigured them Made them invisible Thrown them into the oceans Nobody would've ever be able to find his horcruxes. Instead he picked the most obvious object and hid them in the most obvious places
@@A.Kitten exactly he was EXTREMELY arrogant dont forget he thought that only he ever found the room of requirement but the proof of that assumption being wrong was literally staring him in the face there was clear evidence that thousands of others had found it yet he ignored that & assumed only he was smart enough to find it
I think the infiri are controlled in similar fashion to reanimate jitsu from Naruto saga however instead of chackra threads causing the link between the puppet and the master it may be dark infused magic threads that are invisible. The controller however could have been any dark wizard as essentially they all do their own thing.
My theory is that JK Rowling has no idea herself about a lot of these things, and relies on fan theories until she hears one good enough to add
I bet you’re right
Lol, that's an oof
Ye like Dumbledore being gay
@@DivineHellas You are so naive
@@wjp_20 And you talk like a 90s cartoon villain
I always thought they found a dead body in the water of the cave and Tom maybe reanimated the corpse unintentionally (because he wasn’t completely in tune with his powers yet so it could’ve been involuntary) and the kids obviously freaked out. Hence the idea to use inferi to guard his horcrux later on.
This is the best theory I ever heard
Same here. Best theory I’ve heard. Fits perfectly.
great thematically, but necromancy is incredibly difficult magic even for a strong wizard. doubt even a magically gifted child could accomplish it
Hey was incredibly gifted. He also had no idea how to control it and no adult wizard around to teach him how to keep it from misfiring. Pretty much he found a ZF-1 from The Fifth Element and was jusy randomly hitting buttons.
I like your theory
We need a full Tom riddle series or him being evil and it needs to be rated 18 so we get all these mysteries that JK won't tell us
Yes pls
Please make it happen
Lots of people are making fan films, one trailer called House of Gaunt is on TH-cam
i think JK would ruin the show depending on how much control she wanted..
@@WaddIes I don't don't she would as its not a movie version of the books that she's wrote, it's a subplot movie which she has no conyrol of as she has never written/expanded on the stories and plus, if they are just fan films she has no authority over the fans and their decisions so!
When JK says that she "won't reveal" how something was done, or what happened; what she actually means is "I didn't really come up with anything, so I left it a 'mystery'."
Well considering everything else she thought up its okay that some things don't have answers
@dr103 I'd never heard that before.
This is very likely.
@dr103 highly likely that's bollocks though. Wheb you consider the shit that's in horror movies and the like.
Or maybe the mystery of not knowing is even more scary than the answer she would give us
Girl: Tom, why are we here
Tom: starts singing thriller
Boy: oh s•••
I would have LOVED to see THAT. Maybe you could do that this Halloween called Harry Potter Thriller. Can you please add more lyrics?
Oml I need to see it-
That would be even more of an anachronism than Dudley owning a Playstation before Goblet of Fire started though. :P
3 kids in a cave and you think of Michael Jackson, you should be on a list.
@@tempestfennac9687 PS1
Hmm. I always assumed that he used a version of the cruciatus on them. At one point Tom said that he could make people who annoy him hurt. I always assumed when he said that, he was thinking of when he put the torture curse on the two orphans in the cave.
I like your theory. A desolate cave would be a good, private place to practice, and hone his skills. Maybe some watersnakes led him to the cave.
All Harry Potter fans wonder what happened
He killed Them That Bastard.
True
But the bastard did not kill them and he cursed them
I never did he killed then
I know righr
“Can you really imagine Voldemort going on a killing spree?” “Well kind of”🤣🤣
Haha but I don't see him dragging hundreds of corpses down there 😂 he can't fit all of them at the same time so does he do it one by one? Well to be fair he did have quite much perseverance. But that would have been SO unbalanced effort compared with the other horcruxes
It does make sense in a way, it would also answer to why Dumbledore was disappointed that it was a blood tribute to get through the wall.
Also makes sense to why he thought that the boat was Voldemort‘s particular brand of magic, maybe the cave was pre-existing and Voldemort only added the boat and basin.
And maybe some corpses for good measure haha
Orphans 😈
My theory is this.....
Tom and the other 2 children came upon the cave during low tide, which made the entrance accessible by land. The 2 muggle kids followed Tom into the cave because they were told to stay in groups of 3. Tom was drawn into the cave by the dark energy coming from it. This energy unnerved the other 2 kid, who wanted Tom to leave with them right away but Tom refused. Tom came to the body of water within the cave. It. Was dark inside except for the light coming from the entrance. They had been good for some time a d the other 2 kids were getting thirsty. They decided to drink from the pool of water inside the cave. Tom did nothing to warn them off from drinking from it. That is what activated the Inferni in the water. The 2 kids watched as dead, decaying corpses slowly crawled from the water they were gonna drink from. The terrified kids began to run from the cave, trying to pull Tom with them, but they were bewildered when the creatures stopped before Tom as if he was their master. The kids backed out of the cave speechless from witnessing this. Tom could somehow command the dead. Their minds could not comprehend what they saw, not could they ever forget what they saw. They were terrified into speechlessness.
Did u even read the books, there were never inferi in there until he became Lord Voldemort.
The Inferi were put there by Voldemort much later on..
I love that idea. Voldemort himself comes across as almost an anti-prophet. Abrahamic mythology (my reference frame for this concept) often portrays prophets as being able to perform miracles (or at least being involved in miraculous signs) from a young age. If Voldemort is an anti-prophet, this could be his first miracle.
@@minecraftsteve6997 The cave was already full of dark energy. I extrapolated that the Inferni were already there,. .,. And yes.
I have read the books. Regulus was killed by the Inferni. That does not mean Riddle created them. That is a wrong assumption.
@@minecraftsteve6997 don't think it specifically says in the books where the inferi came from. And if it did it would have just been an assumption from Harry or Dumbledore as they wouldn't know for sure
Maybe I went a dark route in my own head cannon, but my theory was that he terribly tortured the kids in ways that didn't leave physical marks, or invaded their minds and drove them mad.
He did blood magic on them to explore more powerful and darker magic.. oh wait, that's Dragon Age...
This is something I always wish Rowling had elaborated on.
I always kinda thought since he had such a close personal relationship and ability to communicate with snakes that possibly this cave was filled with a ton of venomous sea snakes that the children would have known could kill them easily and Tom used them to scare them into petrified silence.. though hearing your discription now makes more sense lol who knows(aside from J.K. Rowling) I wish we could get some better clues someday !!
Wow, this is almost exactly what my theory was. I guess great minds think alike!
@@DamonNomad82 you mean shit minds
@@amortality999 don’t be so rude
@@chrisj8244 lol I was jk
There are no venomous sea snakes in the Atlantic Ocean. They found in the Pacific and the Indian Ocean. He could have encountered a snake but they are uncommon in Great Britain.
3:53 is beautiful art and always makes me so excited for a release date.
That is a beautiful and haunting art style and atmosphere
I imagine he mainly tortured them and tested the limits of various mind tortures so they became a broken shell. Too much torture can make people lose their minds. Voldemort seems a more smart and sophisticated dark lord rather than a thrill seeker.
If I were to write something for this episode it'll be something like this:
He entices those 2 kids to follow him into the cave with nice words and fascinating premisses. They sense something is wrong but couldn't resist. His words zombifies them to believing a false premise. It builds up a sense of excitement. He seems charming and daring. As they enter, he amuses them with tricks and spells. Turning water into wine, he get them increasingly drunk. Finally, as they lose control of their senses he starts letting loose. Simple pain spells follow mind tortures. Hours pass and he learns how deep dark magic can take him and how much he could achieve. As their minds break he realises a dark truth - he enjoys the feeling this power gives him. He enjoys it alot.
Considering Tom couldn’t do specific spells the water into wine seems very unlikely and I also rlly doubt he got them drunk he was 9 or something I don’t think that would have occurred to him also the children knew he was creepy it’s not like hog warts where he could start over and act the perfect student they already knew him yeah him using some kind of wand less torture curse is the other theory but the drunk bit seems very unlikely 😂😂😂😂😂
@@keira9107 so it’s just a theory
@@chrisj8244 yeah but it’s shit
@@chrisj8244 I’m only joking don’t take it seriously
Interesting theory ! I'd always thought Voldemort created all the Inferi in the lake... but now that I think about it - it would've taken him a while...
I mean he coulda just told all the inferi to go in there... he certaintly killed enough people
@@josephcrews6423 He killed many people, but only a fraction of them disappeared. If you want to spread terror you want people to find the corpses of their loved ones. Of course, some people disappear, but some are just under the Imperius curse, and not everyone would be brought into that cave. And you can't just kill hundreds of Muggles in a limited area. If more than a few people go missing in a small area, authorities will make trouble.
I thought that some of the inferi were made from the bodies of Voldemort's own victims, but that he had his death eaters turn over the bodies of their victims as well, and those added to the numbers.
@@josephcrews6423 But how would he get them there? I mean... it would be kinda suspicious if a bunch of zombies were just marching through the country...
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This is something I have thought about many times. But this is what I assumed
I love your theory, the idea the Inferi were already there. I can easily imagine a cursed village, of smugglers leading ships to crash onto the rocks, and 'salvage' their cargos. Perhaps a wizard with a degree of contempt for muggles, and their own base nature. Just setting a trap to ensnare the greedy. Leaving them to starve and die, until the village was lost.
It's a great a theory. It would make sense that the two kids would have been terrified by such a sight and never be able to describe what they saw without people telling them they're crazy.
Or maybe they would’ve told the kids they had a nightmare.
im so happy you make so many videos about tom riddle -- easily one of the most interesting parts of harry potter lore
Good theory. We know Voldemort was capable of unsupported flight, I don't think it's a far stretch to imagine he would have been capable of it as a child. Maybe he just flew with them over the waters, to the cave.
That was Dumbledore's theory, he said the descent alone would scare them to death
Simple is good. I'd wondered how Riddle had found all those corpses in the first place and how no one had noticed the grave robbing or murders. I do like the idea of someone else had put them there years or even centuries ago. Maybe even multiple somebodies?
Fishing is one of the most dangerous occupations there is especially around Britain with the treacherous tides that can sometimes happen in the English Channel. It would not be that difficult for some dark wizard to put an enchantment on the cave to collect already dead bodies. Even if the inferi were already there they would have to have a way of replenishing their numbers because they're still rotting away.
This is something I’ve wondered about for a while. Thanks 😊
Omg same tysm Dean
Everyone wanted to know but no one wanted to ask the question 🤣
@@FatRonaldo1 I just found this channel again two days ago after I made a new account a year ago and wasn’t able to find this channel again
I don’t think the children kept quiet on their own, I think he tried to use some sort of magic on them to control them and keep them from talking about him and whatever happened. For people like that, controlling others is the main objective.
Tom led them into the cave and then told them about Raid: Shadow Legends and how if they signed up right now they would get a brand new arcane warrior and 10,000 free silver. He wouldn't let them leave until they joined his party.
That sneaky bastard
Ouch that hit hard
I think it’s great that JK has left this kind of stuff to the imagination of the reader. All we know is that it was something horrifying in that cave, but it allows our minds to come up with whatever scares *us* personally, like putting a boggart in place of the explanation.
Also lets me imagine things I don't WANT to imagine in my children's literature. If I wanted Lovecraftian horror, I'd be reading the Shadow Over Innsmouth.
I remember watching the deleted scene in the half blood prince when Dumbledore mentions this to Harry and I wish the movies made Voldemort much more menacing and scary like this because after the second movie I never was able to take him seriously because of his design and of how the actor portrayed him and he didn't really come off as a terrifying dark lord and more like just made weird noises and would have temper tantrums
That's actually a very intriguing theory. The one I had prior to watching this was quite different. My thought was, Tom Riddle would have been limited to using basic, wandless magic that he could come up with from his own imagination and experimentation at that young age. The most conspicuous of his known and developed abilities at that point was that he could talk to snakes. So I thought he might have happened across snakes in the cave and used them to frighten the other two children with him. I think your theory is better, though.
“Can you imagine Voldemort going on a killing spree?”
Of course, just ask Harry
This is Tom Riddle, young inexperienced, wandless, and only a fraction of his power.
I always assumed that Tom did something to the other kids, maybe hurt them with magic in a way that wouldn't leave physical marks. He chose the cave becuase it was the first sense of freedom he'd had, it would have been rare in the orphanage to be away from adults long enough. He wanted somewhere no one would see or find them. But interesting explanation.
Maybe Rowling went in the cave too at some point and like the 2 children, was too traumatised to talk about it. Same with how to create a Horcrux. Maybe she saw someone making one and that traumatised her too.
That's a good theory... I know that some creative people are influenced by major events that happened to them and these events find their way into their art, good or bad. I think JK Rowling is one of these people...
Let's hope there isn't any such thing as a Horcrux in our Universe.
Are you Sirius?
I would take it even further than this theory did by stating that not only did Tom expose the kids to the Infery, but he used them to torture the kids.
I prefer the theory that the corpse surprised Tom just as much as the other kids. When he realized they were no threat to him, he chilled and threatened the kids to keep quiet or else.
I wenn thru 3 Minutes of Produkt placement before getting to the content. Superb.
JK's favourite thing to do was leave areas open to our imagination because she couldn't think of a good explanation and could later retcon it
I mean she’s not supposed to interpret the book for you as well. A good writer does this, people have been so hard on her as an author and I don’t think make authors get the same flock. Like with Dumbledore being gay, she wrote a character who had feelings for a man, and it’s on paper evidenced by the letters they wrote to one another and people are saying that that’s not indicative enough... what was she supposed to write, that Dumbledore wanted to do do theatre at west end and that’s where he met Grindelwald.
@@IM125 yeah idk people think they aren't homophobic until it appears in fiction. Not even for representations sake. A actually good writing
Another great video Dean keep up the good work and great commentary as always
Omg this is so good I’ve always wondered thanks for the quality content
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I just re-read the chapters on Tom Riddle, and you know, his fearful reaction of Dumbledore being a psychologist/doctor and also how Mrs Cole talks about him, and how she thought the Mom was from the circus because of her strange name... it gives sketchy vibes. I know it's 1930s but still. I wonder if she told him he was a freak from the circus at all point, or if she's ever threatened to put him in an Asylum.
That intro tho- real smooth, I freaking love it.
Have to admit, young Tom Riddle was a disturbing child and I thought it perfect that he was played by Ralph Fiennes' (the actor who played Lord Voldemort) nephew. Great casting since he grows up to be a true monster, but to do terrible things without a wand is terrifying
Wait, a true monster??? In real life??? How???
0:41 Looks like Dora the Explorer joined Voldemort in his journey to the cave. 😅😂😂
@Abigail Castillo Olson What? They’re behind me? Where?
Lmao 😂😂
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I have always been very interested in the background stories of the villains in HP, so these videos are great! In my opinion, the last books when we learn about the Gaunts and the childhood of Voldemort are the best ones.
That is actually a truely plausible and well-thought explanation ! It makes a lot of sense, congrats
My theory is that Tom somehow summoned the inferi to him and he might have seen brief visions of the dark wizard that made them. Seeing all this gave him a sense of a much higher purpose, and higher power. Compelling Tom to torture the orphans mentally, to test his power in such a place, knowing how weak they are in comparison. All the while, he learnt that dark magic could be used to alter life itself.
It's reasonable. Could Tom already fly without a broom? That could explain his access. Not sure if the kids could tag along or not.
I know that people say that Tom Riddle or Voldemort should be slightly excused because he was raised in a place where no one love him.
But in the half blood prints we see that the woman who takes care of the orphans is really nice and Tom has his own room clothes and toys like normal children and he is even taken on field trips so they basically regime like a normal child with parents happy and loving parents so I don’t think that Tom should be excused for that.
No the thing that messed him up was that his mother used a love potion on his father. Because of this he was conceived without “real love” that’s the danger of love potions the child then is born without knowing real love. Basically creating a super psychopathic sociopath basically. So he did not know how to feel empathy.
BROOOO. WHAT A LOGO. You deserved something so well animated for your intros. Kudos
Such a great video as always !
That is a brilliant theory, one I had wondered about myself.
My theory is that this is Gellert Grindlewald’s doing after he parted from Dumbledore (during the fight at Godric’s Hollow that killed Ariana). We do know that Grindlewald wanted to take over the Ministry of Magic and turn muggles into slaves by leading an army of Inferi. So, maybe the inferi in the cave were created by Grindlewald as his growing army of inferi geared to take down the Ministry. And the cave was where he was storing the inferi to hide them from the Ministry while he was acting “underground” so that his plans wouldn’t be thwarted by any Aurors.
Tom brought Dennis and Amy to the cave using magic he could not quite understand but could control, "I can make animals do things... without training them"(like imperious). Tom took them to a dark, dangerous cave that a snake told him about, "I found out when we've been to the country on trips." Once in the cave, he pushed his ability further than he ever had before, "His ability was surprisingly well developed for such a young wizard." Tom asked them what they told Mrs. Cole after he hung Billy's rabbit. No one could prove he did it, but they, Dennis and Amy, saw him. But, they were too scared and answered that they never told Mrs. Cole. Knowing they were lying, Tom said, "TELL THE TRUTH!" He was going to make them pay, "I can make them hurt if I want to" (like crucio). He knew he could make them tell him their deepest darkest fears [mind-reading because] "he was already using them [his power] against them to frighten, to punish, to control..." His [Tom] abilities were not "the random experiments typical of young wizards." Dumbledore warned Tom that using his powers "is neither taught nor tolerated at Hogwarts... the ministry of magic... will punish lawbreakers still more severely."
JKR has discussed wandless magic, and has said although it volatile- it is possible.
This makes more sense than the videos theory. With everything we know about HP, this is more likely than an elaborate fan fiction theory.
@@jonny8790 I thought is was obvious (at least to me), and I was excited that I had an insight something finally (I guess). Idk 🤷🏻♀️ the first time we hear the story is when Dumbledore first meets Tom. He tells the story in that order the Rabbit, the kids, and cave. Tom says, I can make ppl do thing I want them to do, and he can talk to snakes. He is a master mindreader (may be not yet); “it’s magic what I can do.” He has gone further down the path to immortality, and that he was always pushing his ability.
@@magiccloud3074 that maybe true. But jk wrote that before mentioning the cave. Harry makes his hair grow back after a hair cut, Tom makes ppl do stuff he wants without telling them, Tom hung the rabbit in an incredibly high place, they can talk to snakes, and Harry made him self out of reach (jump/fly) when bullies were after him- all with out a wand. I don’t think it’s far fetched, not for a great wizard like Voldemort.
@@magiccloud3074it’s true that while he is doing all of it I’m sure he is not saying these, or other, incantations. But in that chapter this is what JK lays out before us; the only thing I am really guessing is the the snake telling him, and why he hurts the children, but the bulk of it is in the chapter. She often gives readers obvious clues like through other characters or previous books. Additionally, She has many references of people (obscurus), and North Americans doing wandless magic (there are always outliers). Although I used Harry as a reference, Tom is on another level. Like comparing Trelawney and Grindelwald as seers, like one of them blundering through life and the other calculating every move. His skills in magic were very developed long before school. Even though Snape is a bad ass, he had a more positive-social interactions than Tom and he- Snape- wasn’t a psychopath like Tom 😊. Who is to say what could and couldn’t be, and even in the real word there are many anomalies that defy all understanding.
Maybe dark magic gives muggles uneasy feeling like being watched or being in a place that's haunted. Sense they were children in a big ominous cave coupled with the dark magic and toms dark aura. Maybe it was to much for there muggle child minds to comprehend.
My theory is that he got the children to come with him because they were afraid of him so they did not want to anger him and followed him out of fear. Once in there I bet because of the dark magic energy in the cave he was able to put their worst fears into their minds.
Like he does in the films which is why he was soo good at getting into peoples minds he has been doing it since he was a child even without a wand. And that was when he fully practiced it for the first time at a stronger level.
I think its a prime example of "nothing is scarier" its better that we're able to make up and speculate about is much creepier than any definitive answer.
your theories are always well thought-out. i agree with this one too
One thing I'd like for you to look in to is the effect the horcruxes has on a person. Voldemort got a snakelike appearance but is that what everyone gets is does the "new" appearance a twisted reflection of what's in that persons soul, i.e. would other people look differently?
Whoa!!! That was fantastic. I never thought of the infieti. That was sharp thinking. Brilliant.
Maybe the wizard that created azkaban decided to take his twisted experiments to the cave as well. You create dementors,why not inferi? He's the most likely.
I still want to know how Tom Riddle found the location of the Chamber of Secrets when he was at school.
Dude's chilling in the girls bathroom for some Voldemorty reason, possibly looking for exactly this, and he curses in parseltongue. "Just open up goddamit!" Sink moves and the rest is history.
Maybe he could hear the basilisk speaking parceltounge thats why he found it
@@owaypon3804 Possibly.
@@SergioBecerraII Salazar Slytherin told certain people about the Chamber before he left the school; that started the legend off. Then there were generations of Gaunts who attended the school, who discovered/knew about the Chamber and perpetuated the legend:
@@SergioBecerraII Whispers that a monster lived in the depths of the castle were also prevalent for centuries. Again, this is because those who could hear and speak to it were not always as discreet as they might have been: the Gaunt family could not resist boasting of their knowledge.
Thank you! I've been thinking about this so much lately and needed theories!!!
I'm betting it was their blood Voldie used to make it necessary to shed blood to get in the cave.
Voldie😂😂😂
Dude I've never been this early! I love the content 😁
Well this is fascinating because somehow I TOTALLY missed this little school kids field trip in the book. I guess it went Whew right over my head. It has been about 15 years since listened to this book on CD. I did of course know about the infuri. I had thought Tom did that. I never realized it was the work of another Wizard. Hopefully I will be revisiting ALL the HP books soon to re read them.
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Great job as always Dean. 👏👍
Great theory, but I wouhave added that the blood paid came from the orphans. Also the magic used in the cave could be connected to horcrux
Love your videos keep it up👏
Man, I simply thought that first of, he just took there with the help of a bit of magic and then began summoning snakes using Parseltongue. The snakes scared the kids cuz Tom asked them to.
And yup, they obviously got traumatised.
Honestly I think just the fact he could take them there and potentially leave them there with no way for them to escape, no way for anybody to know where they were, would have been more than enough.
this, how horcruxes are made, how voldemort was born as a baby on GoF, what happens when a dementor goes through a veil, can voldemort come out the limbo state and many things are just left to us now.
Glad to see a new vid 🔥🔥🔥
He could also control animals, with that and hurting people, he had probably used at least two of the unforgivable curses before he picked up a wand
this is what i have wondered ever sinse i read the books
I like that theory - it fits with what little we know.
JK Rowling: *left out details about something*
HP fans: It's theory time.
JK Rowling: Huh, how convenient. BTW, did you know those reanimated corpses were gay?
You should make a podcast it would be so cool I love watching your videos btw thanks byyyeee!!!!!!😄😁
I have always noticed that Rowling lkked to leave things open. The thing thar affected me the most was when someone sent Hermione bubotuber pus. I think that it had to be Pansy because she was eavesdropping when Hagrid asked Harry and Ron why Hermione was not in class.
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QUESTION: can you make a video discussing what Tom Riddle did during the summer when he wasn't at school. Who he stayed with ect
I assume he had to go back to the orphanage!?
@@MsAnemoi Yes, it says that in Chamber of Secrets.
I do believe that maybe JK didn't come up with anything and therefore made it "a mystery she would never reveal" and even though I'm someone who gets pleasure out of knowing things that are canon to wrap my mind around I think there are some things that maybe hold more power in their mystery, like if she were to tell us what Tom did in that cave it wouldn't give us the creeps like what we imagine for the mystery of such a terrible thing does.y'know?
You should make part 2... Who Created these Infrei
Perhaps at some point there was a purge within the Wizarding World and the Ministry placed those bodies there which another Dark Wizard made use of. Tom has always been linked in some way with the Ministry.
I don't think I ever believed Voldemort created these things, either; I always assumed that it was just a well of dark magic that made a convenient hiding place.
Catching up on all the awesome vids I couldn't click on! 🖤
I had a similar theory but I feel Voldy added to them over the years.
I love your videos I’m a hp super fan so it’s great to see these cool videos about it ❤️❤️❤️
This theory is what I've wondered for some time also. He probably led the kids to believe if they ever said anything, he would set the inferi on them.
Your voice is so well suited for your video topics 😏💯👏
As always I love your theories ❣️❣️❣️
I always thought he used an unrefined cruciatious curse after using the imperious curse to lead them there which hurt them already. My theory is that because the cruciatus was unrefined the effects were far worse, having unintended consequences that damaged them mentally. I also have the distinct impression that he did something to their souls.
Also I think the inferi were all of the missing people who were brought to the cave via the imperious curse and murdered, anchoring them there.
I would have to re-read the books to be sure; but I believe it says that Tom created those inferi and placed them there, he didn't just find them. He also used inferi during his first bid for power.
hello dean, i have a request for another video!
well this crossed my mind the other day, and i dont know much of how to make theories or stuff you need to prove or what to search for, so i decided to tell you, it might make no sense but it does and if you can turn it into another awesome video of urs it would be incredible.
okays, so it is that dumbledore *is* indeed the one who killed Ariana.
as i know, killing splits one's soul nd they, maybe, cant go to the after-life, then they would be stuck in limbo, and when harry went there in Deathly Hallow, he met dumbledore, so what if the reason to that is that dumbledore was the one responsible for Ariana's death, that is why he was stuck there and didnt just go to the after life.
as i said i dont know or umderstand much about limbo and stuff, but i though it would be interesting!
Great suggestion!
Voldemort is stupid
The cave was an obvious place to hide a horcrux.
If he:
Buried them
Transfigured them
Made them invisible
Thrown them into the oceans
Nobody would've ever be able to find his horcruxes.
Instead he picked the most obvious object and hid them in the most obvious places
He prided himself too much.
@@A.Kitten exactly he was EXTREMELY arrogant dont forget he thought that only he ever found the room of requirement but the proof of that assumption being wrong was literally staring him in the face there was clear evidence that thousands of others had found it yet he ignored that & assumed only he was smart enough to find it
I thought he did this because they had to be found for him to be reborn
I think he needed/wanted to know where they all were
What if a witch or wizard donated blood or organs to a muggle? Would the muggle gain any magical powers?
Love this explanation
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That would most definitely do it.
I'm in my 40s , and a sight like that would scare the **** out of me.
I think the infiri are controlled in similar fashion to reanimate jitsu from Naruto saga however instead of chackra threads causing the link between the puppet and the master it may be dark infused magic threads that are invisible.
The controller however could have been any dark wizard as essentially they all do their own thing.
I wonder at what age Tom learned to separate?
The idea about the Inferi makes lots of sense.