What If The Ministry Believed Harry About Voldemorts Return?

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  • @HarryPotterFolklore
    @HarryPotterFolklore  3 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    Sorry everyone I forgot to put the Audio in for the Instagram part! My bad.. sorry again

    • @rodan9773
      @rodan9773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      What about.
      WHAT IF DUMBLEDORE'S SISTER NEVER GOT ATTACKED.
      Respect and keep up the epic work.

    • @wariolandgoldpiramid
      @wariolandgoldpiramid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You had me worried that my headphones broke!
      Maybe you should re-upload.

    • @itsbethany2646
      @itsbethany2646 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hey I have a suggestion but I sent it on the normal comments please read because I really think what I wrote about could of happened

    • @rodan9773
      @rodan9773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@itsbethany2646 I dont think The Battle would off happened in the same way but probably would off still happened.

    • @SquirrelASMR
      @SquirrelASMR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@itsbethany2646 maybe if you paste the comment here too it will be easier to find. I'm curious and will look for it.

  • @Otterwriter245
    @Otterwriter245 3 ปีที่แล้ว +334

    What if the ministry believed Harry?
    -We would never meet Umbridge

    • @moonskies9792
      @moonskies9792 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      OMG YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    • @shahad2509
      @shahad2509 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      YESSS HERE BEFORE THIS BLOWS UP LMAO

    • @rodan9773
      @rodan9773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      PRISE THE MAGICAL GODS lol.

    • @benwelsh5265
      @benwelsh5265 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I see this as an absolute win.

    • @danielelliott5760
      @danielelliott5760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I disagree with that, fudge would still probably put her in hogwarts but for the opposite reasons. I can see her targeting slytherins

  • @darthvader5673
    @darthvader5673 3 ปีที่แล้ว +179

    I have a headcanon that a few months after fudge resigned Voldemort went to his home and tortured fudge while thanking him for unwittingly letting Voldemort build up power before ending fudge's suffering by killing him

    • @edsiles4297
      @edsiles4297 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I've been thinking to myself Fudge could've been killed when Voldemort and the Death Eaters took over the Ministry

    • @katherinkeegan8601
      @katherinkeegan8601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Since Fudge wasn't mentioned again after his firing except for the funeral, that could have happened.

    • @c.syde65
      @c.syde65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +darth vader - Thank you for explaining what headcanon means. I can now use that word in subsequent sentences of mine! :P

    • @SkinnerNoah
      @SkinnerNoah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's very possible, but idk if Voldemort would even bother. He may see Fudge as such a joke that he lets him stew in his failure and dispair

    • @declangaming24
      @declangaming24 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SkinnerNoah I think Voldemort would of been happy if Fudge resigned he would let him live.

  • @ellachamberlain8998
    @ellachamberlain8998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +251

    I have a video suggestion: The life of Hagrid

    • @slytub
      @slytub 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Puberty at three.

    • @hardylover
      @hardylover 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I would like to see that. I think it would be an interesting story. We know that after he was expelled from Hogarts, Dumbledore trained him to be a gamekeeper. But what happened from the time his dad died and when Dumbledore became headmaster and brought him on as game keeper? Harris was expelled in 1943 and Dumbledore didn’t become headmaster until 1960. So where did Hagrid live between that time? Did he live with Dumbledore on the castle grounds? Or did he get an apartment or go off traveling, learning about different creatures and cultures?

    • @jacksdraws5674
      @jacksdraws5674 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Already done

    • @SquirrelASMR
      @SquirrelASMR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      And how did Hagrids dad do a giant. He must've had a *massive* wand.

    • @mrno-scope7472
      @mrno-scope7472 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He doesn’t do life of videos anymore.

  • @rebecca13161993
    @rebecca13161993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I love this storyline. Sirius is still alive, wormtail goes to jail, and no umbridge.

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If I were Sirius Black I would personally hunt down and kill Worntail anyway for all the trouble he caused.

    • @sytsmr
      @sytsmr ปีที่แล้ว

      But the diadem wouldn't be found

  • @anisaalija5825
    @anisaalija5825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So basically now i blame Umbridge, Fudge and the ministry for Sirius's death!

  • @TBUSTER1
    @TBUSTER1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Day 2 of asking for what if Ginny came with Harry, Ron and Hermione on the Horcrux hunt

    • @drstanford1570
      @drstanford1570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Harry Jr would have been born

    • @TBUSTER1
      @TBUSTER1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Dovyeon I don't Hermione would need to since Ron may not have left

    • @superseven4177
      @superseven4177 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@TBUSTER1 well that’s actually bad because if Ginny comes she’s underage so even if they do one simple charm like lighting their wands the whole ministry would know

    • @TBUSTER1
      @TBUSTER1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@superseven4177 oh well I assumed that they would only know if she cast a spell witch she would only need to if they were being chased like when they were brought to Malfoy Manor or when escaping Nagni when she was disguised as Bathilda Bagshot

    • @superseven4177
      @superseven4177 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TBUSTER1 no they know even if you didn’t do it like in second year dobby performs the hover charm but they blamed it on Harry as Harry is the only wizard in Little Whinging

  • @supersupreme5060
    @supersupreme5060 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Draco wouldn't have had the room of requirement in the 6th year either. He may have never been a death eater anyway if the battle of the department of mysteries never happened and Lucius never went to Azkaban. Would their be a possibility Dumbledore would live for longer but would sadly eventually sacrifice his life to make sure Voldemort is defeated. The mauraders used to stick together so you never know maybe Sirius and Lupin would fight together against Dolohov and maybe he would save Lupin?

    • @VGPorage
      @VGPorage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Don't think Dumbledore would have lived much longer anyway since he would still have gotten the Gaunt ring and died from the curse on it.

    • @shabanaasgher6353
      @shabanaasgher6353 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@VGPorage The gaunt ring was broken but yeah bcz of the curse he would have died a bit later than then when he actually died.

    • @MordechaiHershoffyoutube
      @MordechaiHershoffyoutube 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VGPorage no because he might have went with Harry

  • @AHufflepuffAndASwiftie
    @AHufflepuffAndASwiftie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    But I love ❤️ how Minvera comes to Sybil’s defense in Book 5. Up to then I just saw her as a really strict teacher & nothing more. It especially was more meaningful cause she was one of the ones who thought Sybil was completely nuts but still she came to her defense. 🥰😍❤️

    • @chrisj8244
      @chrisj8244 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Rusty Wooden spoon yeah

  • @mikejunior80
    @mikejunior80 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Didn't the ministry have employees who were legilimens? That person could've read Harry's mind proving that Voldemort has indeed returned.

    • @timmerk7363
      @timmerk7363 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Yeah, that is kind of a plot hole. You can alter memories, but this is not convincing and far beyond Harrys capabilities. Honestly the Ministry probably had several possibilities to verify stuff. Dark Magic leaves traces, some Aurors could have just gone to the graveyard and find evidence.

    • @Juho221
      @Juho221 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      They tought harry was crazy, so what harry thinks is true, could be just crazy fiction

    • @mikejunior80
      @mikejunior80 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ...which made them look really dumb @@Juho221.

    • @katherinkeegan8601
      @katherinkeegan8601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They didn't want to confirm if Harry was telling the truth. If they had and didn't do anything, they would have been held responsible.

    • @ugolomb
      @ugolomb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I think Fudge, deep down, suspected that Harry *might* be telling the truth, and was trying to protect himself from this truth. This began almost immediately, when he allowed a dementor to "kiss" Barty Crouch Jr., whose testimony would have helped confirm Harry's story. I think Fudge always knew that there were ways of firmly disproving Harry's story if it wasn't true -- but he was reluctant to use them precisely because he feared they may end up proving that his story *was* true.

  • @bookworm7076
    @bookworm7076 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've always been a fan of What If stories and your What If stories are among my favourites!

  • @sifilore9462
    @sifilore9462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This is basically the same as an old video “What If Fudge Believed Harry?”. In the ending there, u said Dean, “it wouldn’t have stopped the war from coming, it would just have delayed Voldemort”. Which means it was inevitable/fated to happen as the prophecy was predicted long before Harry was even born.

  • @ProngsPokiegames
    @ProngsPokiegames 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I think in this alternate timeline, Sirius would have been hunted down in the Battle of Hogwarts by Death Eaters or maybe even Voldemort himself due to Sirius being so close to Harry. So like Voldemort does in the original timeline for Order of the Phoenix where Harry sees Sirius being tortured by Voldemort. Tom would exploit this weakness again in order to wound Harry mentally. But, that is what I think would have happened.

    • @nickstoehr911
      @nickstoehr911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If I may, since it's an alternative timeline, I would like to think Sirius kills Bellatrix. Spells, hexes, and curses make the floor crack and turn red. Some people hide so as not to be hit. Bellatrix uses the Killing Curse but Sirius uses a chair to block. Sirius then shouts "Accio Bellatrix Wand!" And in horror she watches him take her wand and snap it. Sirius looks at her with a death glare, aims at her neck, "Secemtumpra!" And he slits her throat. Bellatrix Lestrange, psychopath and pure evil, falls to the ground choking on her blood.

    • @nickstoehr911
      @nickstoehr911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Leo Black
      Okay then how about a statue or a fallen large rock? I am sure by now the Great Hall is torn to pieces.

    • @nickstoehr911
      @nickstoehr911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Leo Black
      I highly doubt the richness of the of statue matters. Gold was all that was available. I am sure lead, copper, steel, or stone would work as long as they can be a shield. Dumbledore also teleported a lot (Which you can't do at Hogwarts)

    • @ProngsPokiegames
      @ProngsPokiegames 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nickstoehr911 you can't accio another wizards or witches wands. But very interesting 🙂

    • @nickstoehr911
      @nickstoehr911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Leo Black
      That Harry acting out as a Horcrux. His and Voldemort recognized each other and Voldy's soul in Harry was defending it.

  • @briannaberrie6049
    @briannaberrie6049 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I have a few video ideas..
    What if Snape never went to Dumbledore for help?
    What if lily had not told Petunia that she saw the letter she send to Dumbledore?
    What if Voldemort knew the whole prophecy?
    What if Harry never saw Dean kissing Ginny( didn't fall in love with her)?
    What if Bardy Crouch Jr. could not take places with Moody (4th book)
    (If you like any ideas, like the comment so he can see)

  • @jorgecarbajal8076
    @jorgecarbajal8076 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If Snape teaches Defense Against the Dark Arts in Harry’s fifth year, I’m curious about what circumstances would cause him to lose the job. Voldemort jinxed the position so that no teacher would have it for more than a year.

  • @ehsantehrani4038
    @ehsantehrani4038 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I have two video suggestions:
    1. Why did Tom riddle decide to work in Borgin & Burkes for ten years and what was he doing there?
    2. What had been Tom Riddle doing in that ten years of vanishment after leaving Borgin & Burkes and before became as Lord Voldemort?
    Please make two long video about these topics with the most details that you can suppose and guess.

    • @moonskies9792
      @moonskies9792 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      omg that would be awesome!

    • @YellowBear-kx1ff
      @YellowBear-kx1ff 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He already did why Riddle worked at Borgin and Burkes

    • @ehsantehrani4038
      @ehsantehrani4038 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@YellowBear-kx1ff Yes, but from a special point of view and now he can speak from another and he has'nt made video about he did there.
      After all, we aren't looking for facts or something like that, we want videos about interesting topics made by Dean's imagination.

  • @sophiewebb2887
    @sophiewebb2887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This is an aesome video

    • @AudenShirley09326
      @AudenShirley09326 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He has

    • @sheep9546
      @sheep9546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Its already been discussed in the cursed child. A very cursed book

    • @katakurifan5213
      @katakurifan5213 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sheep9546 You gotta be kidding me?

  • @eddieleavitt6362
    @eddieleavitt6362 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "No Delorus Umbridge" Can I put enough Hallelujah and angle singing and praise quotes to define how much better the world is now?

  • @ishanshibu5342
    @ishanshibu5342 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have a idea:What if Voldemort never blamed Hagrid for the opening of the chamber of secrets

    • @YellowBear-kx1ff
      @YellowBear-kx1ff 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hagrid wouldn’t have been expelled.

  • @caoimhejordan4047
    @caoimhejordan4047 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What if Voldemort had never found out about the prophecy?/What if Snape never told Voldemort about the prophecy?

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Someone else would have rated him out.

  • @isaackim7675
    @isaackim7675 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    1:17. Okay, who fired the Silencio spell?

    • @katj3443
      @katj3443 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hahahah I thought something was wrong with my headphones again, it wasn’t just me this time then.

  • @annalloyd2289
    @annalloyd2289 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m obsessed with ur videos

  • @robinpullman1488
    @robinpullman1488 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant!! As always.

  • @reemarafiq8189
    @reemarafiq8189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ahh yay! I love the what if videos!

  • @brooks-gs
    @brooks-gs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    No battle at the DoM >> Lucius Malfoy isn't caught and sent to Azkaban >> Draco not tasked to kill Dumbledore as revenge >> Snape and Narcissa don't take the Unbreakable Vow. Dumbledore probably still gets cursed by the ring, but his death happens in a different way maybe without snape involved??

  • @d43h1g4
    @d43h1g4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Long awaited video :)

  • @CadolfWasHere
    @CadolfWasHere 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    love this!
    make more "what if" vids like this!

  • @stefrondi1339
    @stefrondi1339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I don't know if anyone said it yet but a possible reason why they didn't look at Harry's memory in the pensive was because you can change your memory like Slughorn did.

    • @tstefanyk6604
      @tstefanyk6604 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not sure Harry would have known how to do that, though. But it would have given Fudge the excuse he needed to dismiss the evidence

    • @stefrondi1339
      @stefrondi1339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tstefanyk6604 that's true

    • @theendlessgenesis
      @theendlessgenesis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@stefrondi1339 there's also verita serum let harry drink that after watching th memory and then ask: is this memory of you cedric he who must not be named altered in any way.

    • @stefrondi1339
      @stefrondi1339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@theendlessgenesis I didn't think of that! Good point

  • @SweetGoddess420
    @SweetGoddess420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'll forever be annoyed that Harry didn't get a shot at showing off his Patronus when being questioned in the movie..

  • @jennilycos2251
    @jennilycos2251 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dumbledore and Harry would've spent the next summer hunting horcruxes I'm sure.

  • @SCP--pr1yd
    @SCP--pr1yd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The second he said no umbridge I was overjoyed

  • @SquirrelASMR
    @SquirrelASMR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    YOURE SO RIGHT! The penceive could've proved EVERYTHING from Sirius being innocent to Voldemort's return.
    Unless Fudge would try to convince everyone that the memory was tampered with, but can't we tell that a memory is tampered with, like Slughorn's, or is there a flawless way to do it? 🤔 Hmm, confusing!

    • @Mew_Stor
      @Mew_Stor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah the pensieve could prove Sirius innocence but I think that JK Rowling wouldn't have though of that but Dumbledore knew that this was the best for Harry

    • @mindyschocolate
      @mindyschocolate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There’s also the truth serum.

    • @SquirrelASMR
      @SquirrelASMR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mindyschocolate nice point!

    • @SquirrelASMR
      @SquirrelASMR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mew_Stor good point

  • @meimeiwang8331
    @meimeiwang8331 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your content🥰. Make sure to take breaks okay🥺?

    • @YellowBear-kx1ff
      @YellowBear-kx1ff 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ooh yes, he NEEDS one after doing so many videos

  • @Positivekitten
    @Positivekitten 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always wondered why Harry couldn’t have offered to take veritas serum.

    • @YellowBear-kx1ff
      @YellowBear-kx1ff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When they had Barty Crouch Jr take that potion, Fudge refused to take “the word of a lunatic,” so he may think Harry was one too.

  • @barackobama5867
    @barackobama5867 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Video sugestion: what would happen if 2 wizards cast avada kedavra on each other, since it can't be blocked

    • @Scorpion-Gamer82
      @Scorpion-Gamer82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If the two spells hit each other, it would probably create an explosion killing both casters anyway, if they passed each other, they will kill their intended target.

    • @steventaylor226
      @steventaylor226 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      they would kill each other nothing else except seconds longer to live for one of them

  • @devilishlyhandsome830
    @devilishlyhandsome830 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I honestly think If Sirius survived to fight in the battle of hogwarts, bellatrix would’ve went after him instead of tonks and lupin and he would’ve died instead of them so Teddy would’ve grown up with his parents

    • @prathammer1350
      @prathammer1350 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then Harry would have fucked up Bellatrix

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@prathammer1350 Perhaps with the help of a more mature wizard or witch. Remember Harry's powers were not at full power yet.

  • @rodan9773
    @rodan9773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So if The Ministry believed Harry Lord Voldemort might have won because The Didium might not have been found in time.
    Plus Harry probably would off never found out about Dumbledores Sister or Brother.

  • @jxlol1
    @jxlol1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yay! 20 mins ago! Love your vids! Huge fan if HP.

  • @PaperLuigi99
    @PaperLuigi99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:40 Ah, but the Half Blood Prince's book was for Advanced Potion making, meaning 6th and 7th years. Harry being a 5th year would not have been using Advanced Potion making and wouldn't have had that book. Not to mention that Harry only had Snape's book because he didn't have one of his own, thinking he wouldn't be in that class. As a 5th year, Potions is still a core subject and he'd have bought one from Diagon Alley. He'd be left to his own devices.

  • @cassandrakarpinski9416
    @cassandrakarpinski9416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Except Felix felicis was part of a NEWT level subject. It would be different because if slughorn was potions master during Harry's 5th year, then Harry would have been in with 6th year, he would have bought his own copy of the potions book in 6th year, thus never getting snapes old copy with the annotations which allowed him to win the liquid luck in the first place

  • @Sam__The__Slayer
    @Sam__The__Slayer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ministry searches for Voldemort, eventually Wormtail gets caught, Sirius is set free of being guillty of the muggle murders, Bellatrix, Dolohov, Rookwood wouldn't have escaped meaning no death of Sirius, Dobby, Remus, Nymphodora, Fred. No Unbreakable Vow between Snape and Narcissa, Voldemort would've eventually got caught by Ministry with Dumbledore's help, finding out the Horcruxes would have been easy. Basically the story wouldn't have been way too short.

  • @tabletennisaddict2221
    @tabletennisaddict2221 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Video suggestion: What if Remus didn’t turn werewolf in The Prisoner of Askaban ?

    • @patrickdrazen3574
      @patrickdrazen3574 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Impossible for a werewolf not to be a werewolf. The Ministry wasn't interested in curing lycanthropes; just in locking them up. (Sounds like modern American penology...) So as long as Sirius had escaped, Lupin (for one) would have to have gone on being aware of the cycles of the moon--an awareness Sirius had gained in his youth tending to Remus.

    • @notalive5442
      @notalive5442 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@patrickdrazen3574 actually i think the person who commented meant that WHAT IF It wasn’t a full moon and a normal day.

  • @aquamarin4851
    @aquamarin4851 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I actually don‘t think Dumbledore would have given Snape the defence against the dark arts job before Voldemort was actually taking over. I think Dumbledore would have given it to Sirius just to have him near Harry and giving him additional protection and to prevent any further mischief.

  • @Jack_of_Hearts4
    @Jack_of_Hearts4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don't think that Harry would have received the liquid luck in your timeline. If Slughorn was there a year earlier when Harry knew he was taking potions, he would have been taught a 5th year potions lesson, not the lesson which resulted in him getting the liquid luck. He most likely would have gotten a good enough grade from Slughorn to willingly take potions the next year which means that he would have bought a new potions book for that year and would have never got the used potions book of the Half-Blood Prince. I doubt he would have produced the best draught of the living dead to win the contest. Maybe Hermione would have won it though.

    • @michalgeppert5373
      @michalgeppert5373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly

    • @denizkenger52
      @denizkenger52 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      but slughorn may not have been invited back since dumbledore destroyed the ring after harry's fifth year which was when he suspected that the diary and ring were horcruxes. That was why he invited slughorn back for the sixth year and not earlier.

    • @Jack_of_Hearts4
      @Jack_of_Hearts4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@denizkenger52 That's true. I was going off of the timeline proposed in the video.

  • @harini218
    @harini218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love you videos Dean! Keep up the good work.

  • @MrSideeXD3
    @MrSideeXD3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Knowing fudge he would most likely call Harrys memory a fake and still not belive him in the original timeline. Because we know faking memories is possible (Slughorn)

  • @Hi_world_700
    @Hi_world_700 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Him: Which would mean that there would be no Umbridge
    Me: *Dancing around my room* screaming YAY at the top if my voice

  • @YellowBear-kx1ff
    @YellowBear-kx1ff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Me: Reads title
    Also me: No more Umbitch, no more Umbitch!

    • @mchowdhury3035
      @mchowdhury3035 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But... what if she believed Harry?

  • @Metalhammer1993
    @Metalhammer1993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    About the room of requirements. Harry WOULD have found it. He was with Cho remember? I'm very sure, Harry now in a better mental space would want to find a bit of... recluse and with Fred, George, Sirius and Dumbledore's old tale of the chamberpot room... I'm sure if Fred and George mentioned the broom cupboard on the seventh floor they never found again he would figure it out. And something tells me Sirius would've known the room of requirement xD
    Yes I am saying, Harry finds the room in order to let Cho ride his broom xD

  • @darthjarjar7572
    @darthjarjar7572 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting topic! I just realised that Harry couldn't have gotten the Felix Felicis from Slughorn in his fifth year. The Half-Blood Prince's old textbook is what gave Harry his new skill at potions, which he only got because he wasn't planning on taking Potions as a NEWT subject. In his fifth year, Harry would have expected to take potions, so would have gotten his equipment and not gotten the Prince's book, therefore not getting the Felix.
    I think that, in this timeline with Umbridge not existing and Snape being DADA teacher in Harry's fifth year, Harry would never have gotten the Prince's book, as Slughorn wouldn't have the high expectations of students to continue to NEWT level and he would have bought his own book.
    Just something I noticed, I don't want to be too nitpicky!

  • @eldenlion5850
    @eldenlion5850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Liquid Luck in his 5th year would have come in handy.

  • @BenDBeast
    @BenDBeast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the reason the pensive wasn't used as proof is because memory can be altered (like what slughorn did) it may even be possible to create fake memories so the ministry would have probably assumed that it was fake

    • @timmerk7363
      @timmerk7363 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      With Slughorn it was pretty obvious something was off. You can alter memories, but I think it's hard to do it convincing. And there are other methods. Just check the graveyard. There are traces of very dark magic and an open grave there.

  • @dramaturge231
    @dramaturge231 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good point about the Pensive being able to be used in trials.

  • @arielcurra7647
    @arielcurra7647 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:23 I can't believe I never thought of it!

  • @xoler2167
    @xoler2167 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What if Harry and his friends and teachers were around when Grindelwald was the dark wizard at large instead of Voldemort? would they be able to defeat him too or could he outsmart them?

  • @brandonthejobber3674
    @brandonthejobber3674 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would’ve loved to see this timeline

  • @Chris-gx1ei
    @Chris-gx1ei 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Since Lucius Malfoy didn't failed his job to get the Prophecy but got inmediately arrested instead Voldemort didn't "punished" the Malfoys by ordering Draco to Kill Dumbledore.
    We all know this happened BECAUSE of Lucius' Failure in the 5th Book/Movie

  • @Krypton853
    @Krypton853 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What If Voldermort never ordered Draco to kill Dumbledore?

  • @ryanbennett2806
    @ryanbennett2806 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It is possible that Voldemort would still do as he did with Dumbledore and had him killed, as well as anyone else a 'threat' by his hidden death eaters. Lucius would have an interesting time as Harry saw him in the graveyard as I am not mistaken.

  • @tutankhamun90
    @tutankhamun90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Snape wouldn't have been able to confirm that Peter Pettigrew was alive, given he was unconscious during that bit in Prisoner of Azkaban. Also, had Slughorn returned to teach Potions in Harry's fifth year, he wouldn't have won Felix Felicis as it wasn't part of the OWL curriculum.

  • @d.reenashri2423
    @d.reenashri2423 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Then Umbridge would have not taken the position of High Inquisitor and DADA teacher (then headmistress) in Hogwarts, Harry and his friends would not have formed the DA, Marietta would not have betrayed it, so Harry and Cho would not have broken up😭😭😭 (I'm a Charry shipper)

  • @Jemma-hl6lv
    @Jemma-hl6lv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a video request,can please make a video about Sirius’s reaction to see James and Lily died and how did he get there in the first place.I would really appreciated if you can make video about that.(you are one of my favourite TH-camrs your videos are amazing,keep it up mate. love from the UK🇬🇧)

  • @Gargsco
    @Gargsco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you do What if Dumbledore didnt put on the ring or what if he tought taught Harry in Order of the Phoenix

  • @SkinnerNoah
    @SkinnerNoah 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did I not notice this video for 3 months???

  • @kalekinnunen3710
    @kalekinnunen3710 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't see how Harry gets the liquid luck in this scenario because he would have had his own potions book for year 5

  • @amanekabbaj
    @amanekabbaj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omg the room of requirement! Huge part. I wonder how it would have been found. In the books it was Dobby not Neville just like the gillyweed situation. So maybe Dobby doesn’t die and tells Harry to look in that room? Also Dumbledore hints at it during the Yule ball and if the theory is right Harry already found it in first year. Albeit not knowing what it was. Also in sixth year Harry had to hide his potions book, without knowing that the room exists he would have enough need of it for it to appear

  • @ugolomb
    @ugolomb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm surprised this video made no reference to the list of practical measures Dumbledore suggested to Fudge on the night of Voldemort's return. I expected these to feature prominently, with a proper examination of what the consequences would have been if Fudge had in fact adopted these measures (e.g., sending an envoy to the giants and removing the dementors from Azkaban).

  • @Schokofroesche_podcast
    @Schokofroesche_podcast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Imagine the battle of Hogwarts with some more aurors of the ministry.. wow, they failed at all parts..

  • @FerretJohn
    @FerretJohn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Life would've been a lot easier, that's for sure. When Voldemort returned he had a handful of aging followers at his call, because of Fudge and the Ministry's fear and obstinance he had a year to rebuild and plan without interference.

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly, never leave an enemy stronghold intact!!! Also always be prepared for battle and finally cover your rear.

  • @bongo_baggins
    @bongo_baggins 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such coincidental timing; I've been doing another listen of book 5 on Audible, and something occured to me for the first time when the blood quill appeared. Idk if it's been discussed already, but that has to be some sort of dark magic, right? To magically inflict physical harm on the person writing with it, with the intent to punish and torture them requires some really malevolent conviction in order for it to work. I've never heard this addressed in any discussion, and I'm wondering if that's another layer to Umbridge's lawful-evil character. Makes me wonder how or where she got it; did she buy it from, or extort it out of a dark magic dealer? Is it physical evidence from a closed case that conveniently disappeared? Did she make it herself? I mean, she was able to get her hands on Slytherin's locket, so she's got moves.

  • @sonny_b3587
    @sonny_b3587 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I also think there would be double defence against dark arts lessons

  • @Salma_222.
    @Salma_222. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:03 THE BEST PART OF THE VIDEO

  • @AliAngelpie
    @AliAngelpie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They may have tried to make him the Ministry's poster boy earlier, which he may have accepted since they wouldn't have done the things they did when they hated him, like give Umbridge power and arrest Stan Shunpike

  • @zimonzieclown1633
    @zimonzieclown1633 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Harry wouldn't have gotten the liquid luck in his fifth year. Potions is still mandatory for fifth years so Harry would have just bought the book at Diagon Alley like always. He wouldn't have had Snape's textbook and, consequently, wouldn't have been able to produce the best potion in class. Aside from that, it's not even certain that Slughorn would have even given Harry's class the same lesson as he did in canon.

    • @zimonzieclown1633
      @zimonzieclown1633 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, I don't think Dumbledore would have given the post of DADA professor to Snape just yet; he wasn't dying of the ring's curse by that point, so he wouldn't have to have Snape kill him. Dumbledore would have probably given the DADA post to another member of the Order, like Tonks or Mrs. Weasley or something.
      As such, no Slughorn yet either.

  • @itsbethany2646
    @itsbethany2646 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So that means that he could of helped harry with the horcroxes and the deathly hallows. Snape also never would of become head master and the battle of Hogwarts might not of happened

  • @wolfsbanealphas617
    @wolfsbanealphas617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If they did then Harry would have been trained at least since other people would be involved besides dumbledore who’s plan to beat Tom was for a abused boy to be a martyr

  • @TheDrock900
    @TheDrock900 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do have one idea that could've been worth noting. Fudge would've gone down history as one of the bravest ministers the world would've dealt with. It would've been from there where Umbridge would very likely join Voldemort's cause for her hatred for muggle-born's, half breeds (questionable for that part), and she would be the perfect spy against Fudge but also the Order of the Phoenix.

  • @fr0stb1ght34
    @fr0stb1ght34 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also McGonagall would have been around for any such face off against the Death Eaters as she was hit with like 6 surprise stunning spells to the chest at once and from close range. She would have been a monster out there.

  • @legothoron1
    @legothoron1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well i think Umbrage would have still sent the dementors to attack Harry and Dudley like in the original timeline in an attempt to get Harry expelled, but this time there would be an investigation and they would find it was her who sent them, and Lucius would have been sent to Azkaban as in this timeline there was a debrief and Harry would have given the names of those who were in the grave yard, and Lucius wouldn't have been able to influence Fudge as he would have in the original timeline. And I'd say that the real Mad-eye Moody would have been in place as DATDA teacher due to his experience in the field with dealing with the dark arts, and for him by Dumbledore's request to train Harry to prepare him for what he may face in the future

  • @brandonsmith1198
    @brandonsmith1198 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for doing this video now I know how the minister for magic didn’t believe that Lord Voldemort‘ had returned

  • @Rymar101
    @Rymar101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The wizarding world would have been more prepared if the ministry believed Harry, and many people wouldn't have died

  • @michaellane4054
    @michaellane4054 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Then Harry would have been searching for the horcruxes at 16.

  • @lindalaufer2949
    @lindalaufer2949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back on the Sirius thing, we can also say that the pensive could be used to prove his innocence, especially because snape would NEVER admit to seeing pettigrew. Unless he was made. And he probably would be.

  • @lefthanded3446
    @lefthanded3446 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hii could you implement the infocard to link your other videos? I think that would also add some more traffick to your videos!

  • @michaelfort143
    @michaelfort143 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If Slugworth was there in year 5, Harry wouldn't have been as close because he would have already had a new potions book so he wouldn't have found Snape's old one

  • @joshuamoyer4141
    @joshuamoyer4141 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A couple of details I think you missed:
    1. Dumbledore wanted the dementors removed from Azkaban. It’s unlikely he would have had them all over the school.
    2. Snape never saw Pettigrew.
    3. Harry wouldn’t have won the liquid luck. He only won because of Snape’s book, which he got because he wasn’t expecting to have potions. His 5th year he had his own textbook, so he never would have gotten Snapes and Hermione would have beaten him.
    Overall I still liked the video. I don’t think any of these claims majorly affects how things would have played out. Hogwarts would have had increased security like what we see in HBP, Serius might have been cleared without Snape’s testimony, and I’m a fan of the theory Felix Felicia is a placebo effects, so Harry still could have gotten the memory.

  • @Marc-if8mh
    @Marc-if8mh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Suggestion: your vieuw of good alternive endings of the hp series🤔

  • @ruhaanaggarwal1474
    @ruhaanaggarwal1474 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cornelius Fudge would have thought that the memory was manipulated like slughorns memory of Voldemorts asking about horcruxes

  • @kellyhuang3596
    @kellyhuang3596 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "What if the ministry believed Harry?"
    You mean what would happen if this was the story of COVID and the ministry was New Zealand's government instead of the US government?

    • @12MedbeNetwork
      @12MedbeNetwork 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ....nobody asked

    • @kellyhuang3596
      @kellyhuang3596 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@12MedbeNetwork Well comments on this video were on so yes, somebody did ask

  • @kevincomstock5633
    @kevincomstock5633 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Couldn't of Harry volunteered to a truth serum to prove his honesty

    • @kevincomstock5633
      @kevincomstock5633 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also i dont think liquid luck would of been introduced untill after his OWLs examination regardless of when slughorn started teaching.

  • @c.syde65
    @c.syde65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have mixed feelings towards this. In some ways it would have been better if Cornelius Fudge had straight up believed Harry Potter's claims that Lord Voldemort was indeed back. But on the other hand, he wasn't the Minister that the Wizarding Community deserved. So he needed to give the community a reason to dismiss him.

  • @cassettetape7643
    @cassettetape7643 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I disagree that Snape would have gotten the DADA position a year early, as Dumbledore only gave him that position because he was already dying & needed to ensure Snape was well positioned to take his place the following year. Knowing he only had a year left to live, it always seemed to me that he used the cursed position to his advantage as he also knew Snape would only last a year working that position. He blatently refused to risk what might have happened to his best deputy before then.
    Other than that though...
    Pretty much agree

  • @fwmyeejkha22
    @fwmyeejkha22 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👏🙏🤣.... Thank you 😊... Be safe everyone 😉..

  • @knitcrochettiger361
    @knitcrochettiger361 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    one can argue that taking Harry's memory to view in the pensieve was both immoral and illegal since Harry was a minor.

    • @YellowBear-kx1ff
      @YellowBear-kx1ff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah and Fudge would think his memory was tampered with, like with Slughorn

  • @williamozier918
    @williamozier918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I totally buy that the Ministry doesn't use veritas serum, or pensieves or any of the other 100 ways you can use to figure out the truth. A) We saw that Slughorn was in fact able to alter a memory, B) When under magical influence you may have no memory of your actions,. C) The most important: If you vote to use these things on other people, other people will want to use these things on you.

  • @DuffmanChess
    @DuffmanChess 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think that Harry would have gotten the liquid luck potion at all. He only won the liquid luck because of the Half Blood Prince's copy of Advanced Potion Making. That text book is a 6th year text book, required for NEWT level students. Harry was only studying for his OWLs. So Harry would have still been as average at potions as he always was in his 5th year. Which means, should Dumbledore still ask Harry to retrieve Slughorn's memory, He'd have to find another way entirely.

  • @abdullahferoz8248
    @abdullahferoz8248 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One things for sure
    That wouldn’t be a Harry Potter movie if they had believed ot

  • @HorsemenK250
    @HorsemenK250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if Sirius broke out earlier when Harry was younger
    What if Harry run away as a child

  • @tstefanyk6604
    @tstefanyk6604 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seriously, that whole question about why they didn't use the penseive to view Harry's memories regarding Voldemort's return?!?! I think many if us have been asking that for a while now

    • @varunkaushik2732
      @varunkaushik2732 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Memories can be manipulated guess that's why

    • @tstefanyk6604
      @tstefanyk6604 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@varunkaushik2732 but Harry wouldn't have a clue how to do it. Can someone modify another person's memories?? I don't remember an example of that in the book. If that's the case, then I guess that would be the reason

  • @Kubinda12345
    @Kubinda12345 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've once red a fanfic which plays with this scenario. Fudge however also realizes that the Ministry doesn't have resources to fight a war so he goes full appeasement by introducing anti-Muggle Born laws and magical UK begins to remind early Nazi Germany with signs on shops forbidding access to Muggle Borns etc.