This is absolute gold. The sheer volume of traffic on a summer Saturday was quite something, additional trains in all directions. Surprising amount of NSE stock as well.
@@theroybowdencollection9807 lol...I take my hat of to your memory... Incidentally, can you recall a sleeper train that ran for only a short time between the south coast and Scotland via Reading, Oxford, Coventry and New Street?
Some classic traction especially the 85's on the sleeper listen to that roar, was that the Stranraer Euston sleeper {1M14) as i recall there was so many sleeper services as in 1M10,1M11,1M14,1M15,1M16 and 1V32 which went to Bristol or Plymouth depending on the season and all from Scotland but on only one of the Euston's went via New Street as i done that myself but cant remember which one without digging out my old moves books. Thanks for sharing it really brings back great memories.
It was indeed the Stranraer to Euston sleeper, but I seem to remember that on this occasion it was combined with the Royal Highlander from Inverness which did not normally pass through New St. I could be wrong of course!
I have done the Stranraer Harbour Boat Train (21.15 Euston to Stranraer). I can confirm it normally ran via the WCML (Trent Valley) and it ran ahead of the Royal Highlander (21.30 Euston to Inverness). On my night in question, back in 1984, we had 86 102 to Carlisle, 47 414 to just south of Ayr, where they attached a pilot engine. This normally was a Class 27 to work a freight back north, and they attached it to the sleeper to allow the Signalbox to close early (they were two shift boxes, not three). On my night, the pilot loco was 20 039. It came off at the Home Signal, and went into a Centre Road at Stranraer. 47 414 then hauled into Platform 1. The first up passenger was the 07.30 to Glasgow Central with 47 434 with Sealink liveried Mark 1s off Platform 2 at Stranraer !
Saw myself in this video was on the New Street watering gang in the summer of 88 prior to passing out as a shunter, many of the staff enjoyed the indian summer of peaks and hoovers although they didn't admit it .... happy days, how can anyone enjoy today's railways?
Excellent stuff. 25th June 1988 31415+31469 did 1V47, 10:10 Manchester - Paignton. Had there and back again, went out via Camp Hill, IIRC? Think I'm one of those with my head out as they depart!
Fantastic collection Roy, many thanks, I have subscribed. This really is one of the most comprehensive and well filmed private collections of this era, which is an era I remember very fondly as these are some of my earliest memories. I have many questions, but one thing I wanted to ask as I am modelling (at the other end) - were any of the Class 50s running to Paddington directly via Wycombe and the old NNML? Or are they Paddington via Oxford, or XC services? I see other people have noted the sheer amount of NSE stock, but it turned up everywhere! I was looking at some photos of Crewe around this time and there was plenty of the red, white and blue around! Brilliant stuff and thanks again. Adam C (Weymouth)
What a great summer 1988 was 👍 i must of been on the platform at some point over the many weekends. I carnt believe how many Hoovers there were at NED street 👍 Had a few overnighters at NED street, up the top near the ''John Menzies'' 😂
Yes, I did 9 hours overnight on Brum New Street for an early Sunday morning start for 45 012 working a Pathfinders Tour. I was on 45 107 to Southport the day before which caught fire at Edale. Everyone baled at Sheffield for the last Up HST and bed in London. But not moi. I baled at Rugby and took a train here. No coat. No money (for I was not planning to do an overnight). But 45 012 was required !
If I recall correctly it was a Summer Saturday service from New St to Aberystwyth which used a pair of 37s on layover from Buxton which would otherwise have remained at Saltley over the weekend :)
The stock was hired by National Express to take passengers from Euston to Carlisle where they'd transfer to their coaches for the Scottish road tours. The train ran on summer Saturdays that year :)
The good old days. That was me half was down the buffet giving 50034 a bellow on my way to penzance😁. Stuff like this is priceless. That was the liverpool-penzance but not officially booked to stop at new street bizarrely. Loco change only. Infact I'm sure it was ra Wolverhampton-Exeter st Davids.
@@theroybowdencollection9807 footage like this is absolutely priceless. 50034 done that train twice that summer and you captured it both times. The 2nd time you captured it leaving and I waved it off on the platform. You can see me in the distance before walking off with my bag. I should have been on it again to penzance but I wasnt well that day so I went back home. Fantastic days and fantastic memories.
47097 on Mk 3 stock on a Paignton, was that, train? Saltley must have been short of power. While there was an ETH loco on the train of Mk 1 stock that followed it. Surely someone could have swapped them round
At that time it seemed that Saltley would send out whatever was available, often Railfreight locos which would otherwise have been sat idle over the weekend. Logic have may not always have been applied!
This is absolute gold. The sheer volume of traffic on a summer Saturday was quite something, additional trains in all directions. Surprising amount of NSE stock as well.
The amount of NSE stock is something I really noticed when I was reviewing the footage!
These videos are all superb, please keep them coming!
Thanks Pete more to come!
The two 85's on the sleeper was an excellent capture, and one that brought back lots of great memories.....fabulous stuff.....
The second 85 had failed at Crewe and the train was running very late!
@@theroybowdencollection9807 lol...I take my hat of to your memory...
Incidentally, can you recall a sleeper train that ran for only a short time between the south coast and Scotland via Reading, Oxford, Coventry and New Street?
The Sussex Scot, from Brighton ?
Was that not a day service ?
There was a Bristol to Scotland sleeper that did run via Brum New Street.
Just how I remember my youth on Saturday mornings at BNS.. Thank you for sharing.
Some classic traction especially the 85's on the sleeper listen to that roar, was that the Stranraer Euston sleeper {1M14) as i recall there was so many sleeper services as in 1M10,1M11,1M14,1M15,1M16 and 1V32 which went to Bristol or Plymouth depending on the season and all from Scotland but on only one of the Euston's went via New Street as i done that myself but cant remember which one without digging out my old moves books. Thanks for sharing it really brings back great memories.
It was indeed the Stranraer to Euston sleeper, but I seem to remember that on this occasion it was combined with the Royal Highlander from Inverness which did not normally pass through New St. I could be wrong of course!
I have done the Stranraer Harbour Boat Train (21.15 Euston to Stranraer). I can confirm it normally ran via the WCML (Trent Valley) and it ran ahead of the Royal Highlander (21.30 Euston to Inverness).
On my night in question, back in 1984, we had 86 102 to Carlisle, 47 414 to just south of Ayr, where they attached a pilot engine. This normally was a Class 27 to work a freight back north, and they attached it to the sleeper to allow the Signalbox to close early (they were two shift boxes, not three). On my night, the pilot loco was 20 039. It came off at the Home Signal, and went into a Centre Road at Stranraer. 47 414 then hauled into Platform 1. The first up passenger was the 07.30 to Glasgow Central with 47 434 with Sealink liveried Mark 1s off Platform 2 at Stranraer !
Another class piece of work sir, its amazing how many fathers and sons are hanging around the platform ends, arh another time indeed
A nice family day out :)
I had no idea there were so many 50s around New Street at this point in time.
Checkout 47542 at 12.10 . It was unique,it had extra vents on the engine room doors.
Fantastic memories, thanks
Saw myself in this video was on the New Street watering gang in the summer of 88 prior to passing out as a shunter, many of the staff enjoyed the indian summer of peaks and hoovers although they didn't admit it .... happy days, how can anyone enjoy today's railways?
Agree entirely! So glad you saw yourself too:)
Thanks very much for sharing - fantastic filming and editing - just like being there back in time - cheers !
If only we could go back there! Thanks :)
Can’t get enough of these👍
What a wonderful railway it still was!! 😊
Excellent stuff. 25th June 1988 31415+31469 did 1V47, 10:10 Manchester - Paignton. Had there and back again, went out via Camp Hill, IIRC? Think I'm one of those with my head out as they depart!
Nice to finally meet you haha! You're right it did go out via the Camp Hill 😊
Magnificent vid.. Cheers!
Wow never seen a eight car dmu before. I was always told there is a limit to how many can be coupled together in multiple.
I'm pretty sure this was an empty stock move ready for the Wolverhampton to Shrewsbury services
Fantastic collection Roy, many thanks, I have subscribed. This really is one of the most comprehensive and well filmed private collections of this era, which is an era I remember very fondly as these are some of my earliest memories. I have many questions, but one thing I wanted to ask as I am modelling (at the other end) - were any of the Class 50s running to Paddington directly via Wycombe and the old NNML? Or are they Paddington via Oxford, or XC services? I see other people have noted the sheer amount of NSE stock, but it turned up everywhere! I was looking at some photos of Crewe around this time and there was plenty of the red, white and blue around! Brilliant stuff and thanks again. Adam C (Weymouth)
Many thanks Adam, I think the Paddingon services were running via Oxford/Reading... can anybody confirm?
Also, many of the NSE rakes were hired in by Intercity for the weekend extras
@@theroybowdencollection9807 thank you for your responses, appreciated
Any on the Camp hill chords
What a great summer 1988 was 👍 i must of been on the platform at some point over the many weekends. I carnt believe how many Hoovers there were at NED street 👍 Had a few overnighters at NED street, up the top near the ''John Menzies'' 😂
Happy memories!
Yes, I did 9 hours overnight on Brum New Street for an early Sunday morning start for 45 012 working a Pathfinders Tour. I was on 45 107 to Southport the day before which caught fire at Edale. Everyone baled at Sheffield for the last Up HST and bed in London. But not moi. I baled at Rugby and took a train here. No coat. No money (for I was not planning to do an overnight). But 45 012 was required !
What was the destination of the 50's?
Probably to Paignton I believe
Where those 2x 37's,at Wolverhampton on Euston-Pwillheli,diagram remember seeing them at Criccieth/Porthmadog Station on return diagram..
If I recall correctly it was a Summer Saturday service from New St to Aberystwyth which used a pair of 37s on layover from Buxton which would otherwise have remained at Saltley over the weekend :)
Very interesting 👌
0620 Birmingham New St - Aberystwyth, Summer Saturdays only, The Pwllhelli turn came from Euston with the 37's coming on at Shrewsbury
I concur.
Amazing footage haha. Where are the NSe Class 50s going?
I'm sorry I missed your message until now. 50050 worked in from Plymouth, and the others went to Paington
@@theroybowdencollection9807 Wow, quite estensive for NSe
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What was the Manchester Pullman stock being used on? It's seen in one of the other videos as well. Was that on a service train or a charter?
The stock was hired by National Express to take passengers from Euston to Carlisle where they'd transfer to their coaches for the Scottish road tours. The train ran on summer Saturdays that year :)
The good old days. That was me half was down the buffet giving 50034 a bellow on my way to penzance😁. Stuff like this is priceless. That was the liverpool-penzance but not officially booked to stop at new street bizarrely. Loco change only. Infact I'm sure it was ra Wolverhampton-Exeter st Davids.
Many thanks, glad you now have a visual record of the trip! :)
@@theroybowdencollection9807 footage like this is absolutely priceless. 50034 done that train twice that summer and you captured it both times. The 2nd time you captured it leaving and I waved it off on the platform. You can see me in the distance before walking off with my bag. I should have been on it again to penzance but I wasnt well that day so I went back home. Fantastic days and fantastic memories.
@@stevecutts5450 Thank you so much and I shall look out for you! Sorry for the delay replying I missed this!
@@theroybowdencollection9807 no worries. I'm just thankfull for yiu guys filming this stuff back then.
47097 on Mk 3 stock on a Paignton, was that, train? Saltley must have been short of power.
While there was an ETH loco on the train of Mk 1 stock that followed it. Surely someone could have swapped them round
At that time it seemed that Saltley would send out whatever was available, often Railfreight locos which would otherwise have been sat idle over the weekend. Logic have may not always have been applied!
16:10 so annoying and dangerous when idiots like this open the door before the train has stopped
And yet more NSE stock!! Boy, they got their money's worth out of that
They sure did!