Woodchips vs. Lawn - EASY method
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The laugh after chipping away was gold 😂
I can recognize a stupid joke no matter the origin :)
For folks interested in the silly looking oversized plastic forks, they are pretty rad, although pretty expensive. We got them from amleo.com, we aren't sponsored by them obviously, and you could probably do great just using a multi tined metal fork from a yard sale.
Description has an email for our friend Tama if you wanna get some plants from him! Hudson Valley NY folks, a new nursery is around :)
What kind of name is Tama? The seems original enough to have an ethnic origin or, at the very least, a good story. Maybe this is not an anthropological channel? 😀
I have silly looking oversized plastic fork envy. 🤷🏻♀️
"chipping away" I love it
It was nice to meet you Tama.
We been getting a ton of 🍄in our piles so I bought more spores to inoculate the pile even more.. mama's going to make dinner and make dirt 😜
Seems like folks agree these particular ones aren't edible, oh well!
I SO absolutely love what you are doing! I wants to so badly get to work doing just what you are doing. I am so burned-out turning wrenches for a living! The noises and smells just make me sick anymore. We are so close, yet so far away, from our 35 acres in Colorado we purchased last year. We cannot even stand to be outside here anymore as what was peaceful cattle country has turned into a FRACKING NIGHTMARE! Trash, noise , rotten egg smells.... so ready for the peace and quiet and smell of spruce... your videos are my therapy lol thank you for what you do!!
Where are you located now?
Prayers for peace and happiness in your new location!
I can't believe you had snow two weeks ago and now you're both in T-shirts..! 😳 Soooo jealous!
He will be back in snow in the next vid :) förresten, sjukt kul att se en annan svensk här..! Vet inte om du hängt länge här på EA, men äru rätt ny så är det här lite tips på grymma videor de gjort: lawn to good forest conversion-serien, när de fixade dammen och allt om air prune beds (har byggt några själv, absolut inte på deras nivå men ändå - det är inte svårt!). Och living wall!
Hello fellow Swede. :-) Hittade kanalen för cirka ett år sedan och har sett nästan allt. 😁 Vad kul att du provat bygga boxarna! Vad för plantor har du haft i dem?
It changes SO SO fast. Almost 70F when filming early in the day, a low of 24F at night with heavy winds. Our transition from winter to spring is absolutely turbulent here
@@annaekberg6712 men nu såg jag badgen D: bra att lyckas glo igenom 500 videos på ett år 🤠eller bra o bra haha, måhända sjukt men finns värre sjuka saker i världen! Hmm, än har jag inte fått ner nåt i dom.. blir ju fleråriga o främst träd och såna har jag inte än haha. Hade varit kul med hassel men har inte varit ute o letat (frågade några odlare om dom sålde o fick nej).
@@edibleacres that's what I figured :D hey, on a completely unrelated topic (will keep it short!). You often talk about guilds and how various plants support each other in different ways. Have you done any experiments on this in an annual setting..? For me, starting seeds in tiny cells always seemed strange. It's the tiny amount of soil buy also the monoculture aspect. So nowadays I always mix various plants and it always seems to work better. Btw, this I have done pretty much only in containers.
Im so ready to be doing this with my chip piles but still frozen in here in the Rockies. Thanks for your fine videos!
Happy thawing!
it's a pleasure to watch a professional work, that fellow is gem.
Even though I followed here for years and some repeat info it's always a good experience in learning natures way of doing thing and results are positive and a healing to the ground and a schooling all the time, Love seeing the mushrooms in the wood chips they are doing a great job of breaking things down and opening the way for other life forms, beautiful... Cheers
Surely we cover similar topics over and over in hopefully slightly different ways each time... Glad they still seem of value to you
I made the same type of bed last year with the same results. Not good growth of annuals last year. I initially built this bed around three young apple trees. This year I added a golden delicious apple to pollinate an existing apple and am trying to espalier 4 dwarf apples on the edges. I also added some perennial beds of asparagus, raspberry/wineberry, strawberry, herbs and flowers. I am hoping as it matures it will provide lots of food in a relatively small area. The layers of wood chips help so much in weed suppression and moisture retention. I love it!
Thanks for the reminder! I need to get on the chip drop list 🙂
5:04 That's Steve. Steve's cool.
Steveshroom I guess
I love woodchip paths. They are lovely and clean to walk on wet weather. Also, it will be interesting to see how those plastic forks hold up. I tend to shy away from plastic tools because of their lack of longevity.
Thank you for sharing this information with us
Hope it can be helpful
Love the new haircut.
I like the Logan wolverine look
That was my first thought when seeing him in this video lol
I guess thats the vibe, oh well!
Your haircut looks great
Damn the snow cleared out quick!
Orange brown mushrooms are called winter twiglet.
Wonderful name, also Scurfy Twiglet and Dingy Twiglet?!?!?! I looked them up, those are such rad names!
Amazing place 👌
I love wood chips! Ordered about 10 bags of wine cap spawn to turn loose in mine. I have 15 loads of chips on the main side of the road. And a tree trimming company dumping free will as they need on the other side. Score!!! ;) You're right though- 6-8" minimum. I have a few places that was probably as shallow as 4" and the chickweed and sorrel are springing forth in springtime exuberant excitement: oh bummer, right? :)
Except chickweed and sorrel are insanely amazing spring foods. I'd say that might be the best deal ever... Reduce the lawn but increase the wild amazing spring foods. We eat chickweed in a salad pretty much every day right now and couldn't possibly get enough in us. It's a miracle green
@@edibleacres, that was the point of my sarcasm. :) Oh bummer- sorrel and chickweed. I guess I have to have lunch. I been watching this channel long enough to have rejoiced when both of those popped up in my greenhouse.
Thanks for another informative video! Please tell us about your pitchforks your moving woodchips with.
amleo has poly mulch forks that I invested in. Light but very effective, maybe too expensive for a casual chip mover but if you are working with 100+ yards a year the right tool is pretty much critical so I'm glad we have them.
great as usual, also sweet haircut
I'll give you my wheelbarrow tip. Instead of shaking the wheelbarrow to empty it let the wheel right up your leg by pulling the wheelbarrow with your arms over your shoulder line. Hope that makes sense. Works great for raised beds too.
Nice haircut!
Those are some lovely wood chips. We live in the ponderosa pine forest, so our chip drops are mixed heavily with pine needles. It does the job though
I would expect so
@@edibleacres yeah just a little pointy and take a long time to decompose
@edibleacres Does it matter what kind of trees the chips are from or will any wood chip work?
Ours are always mixed with eastern red cedar. Smells amazing! I got a drop last night and it was steamy warm. My kids and I laid on it, taking in the cedar aroma, and it was just like being in a sauna!
I like the pitch forks
We found that when an annual garden is desired immediately after wood chipping, the straw bale gardening method fits the bill quite nicely. It does take more time to initiate the decomposition cycle organically, so getting the bale's ready early is ideal!
Unfortunately this method is not as compatible with Bermuda grass in my experience. I spread chips out a foot thick and that Bermuda grass quickly colonized it. However, the roots were a lot easier to pull out of the mulch than soil. I tried laying cardboard down in some areas and that did seem to slow down the spread of Bermuda. It creeps in from edges, too, so perhaps there's a good trick for a strong buffer zone. I wonder if others have successfully wiped out Bermuda grass with wood chips using clever methods.
The mushrooms look like they may be from the Tubaria genus. Possibly Tubaria furfuracea
That is what other folks are saying, thanks for the ID!
If you have bermuda grass wood chips won't work. I put 12" of wood chips in my orchard and now I have a lush Bermuda lawn there. It came right through and the chips were a great fertilizer for the grass.
I had the idea of using old salvaged drawers for airprune boxes? Not as sturdy as your locust ones but I'll try and make it work.
Give it a shot, why not!
We use a ridiculous amount of woodchip, but it's a great resource.
Pretty wonderful
wonderful. Do you ever find that hay mulch, as opposed to straw, has grass seeds that pop up?
Not really. I'm aware of the possibility but it hasn't been much of a problem for us.
Lookin' good Logan! When you make a fist, do 3 hori hori's come out between your knuckles?
How do you deal with slug pressure in your garden beds? The chips in my yard give the slugs a lot of places to hide and they wreak havoc on my nearby plants.
Bonjour merci pour la vidéo je m’abonne 🙏🙏🙏
Just a thought. This only works with cool seasons grasses. Try this with Bermuda or Zoysia and it will grow right through it.
I’ve been wondering how deep you’d need to go to erase Bermuda and Johnsongrass.
Probably true, we can only speak to what we experience. Average northern 'lawn' context and this has been amazing, especially on a wet site. Your mileage may vary
@@edibleacres we southerners are just jealous of your delicate grass. 😉
Chipping away 😂😂😂🤗💛🤗
Hey Sean! Nice haircut. Looking pretty slick! I am wondering if you and Sasha have ever had to deal with Quackgrass? Would you believe this method be effective at all in smothering it out? Thanks for sharing your knowledge and for another great video.
Thanks on the haircut :)
I'm sure there are a wide range of plants that exist that this method would fall short on, so consider it a useful baseline for an average lawn. In more extreme cases a thick layering of cardboard first if you have it could be useful or MUCH much deeper chip deposition...
For Quackgrass check the RED gardens and Back to reality channels! With any method it's still a hassle though.
Best thing i've seen besides those tactics is just to increase the fertillity of your soil to such a degree that the quackgrass is outperformed by other plants.
Do your designs come about organically or is there prior design work thinking about where you want a site to go long term?
They come about more or less on the fly when we are implementing, but with lots of rolling around in the brain for a while before hand... Thought about in advance, acted upon in the moment...
ever start at the far end so when you wanting to stop you have short trip rather than a long trip
Seeing chips work always make me excited, I’m always getting truck loads of woodchips to improve my soil
Yes, but in this case the ground is SUPER wet so laying a base layer of chips helps the wheelbarrow go further!
Those forks you are using in the pile of chips look fantastic! Where can a person buy one?
amleo.com has poly mulch forks. Expensive but a reasonable investment if you are doing more than 50-100 yards of mulch moving a year. Otherwise a good multi-purpose 6 tine fork from a yardsale is super great for less than $10!
@@edibleacres Thank you for the link! I have some really nice metal tined forks for cleaning the cow barn, but they are quite heavy. They do that job beautifully, but something that didn't weigh as much but would hold up to lots of use would be worth having too.
I do the same Its shocking how they kill off weeds! I did this to start a no dig, back to eden garden.
Neat!
You could put in a pond with all that water and hearing the Redwing Blackbirds tells me you have a marsh nearby...!
I've been using woodchips to reclaim some of my back yard from poison ivy, mitigating ponding, while also building soil health. Using the service ChipDrop I can help out a local arborist from a trip to the dump and get free chips whenever I can use it. Bonus is the workout from manually moving 40 yards of chips twice a year!
Good sir, would you have any concerns using cedar chips for the same job?
It wouldn't be my absolute first choice but for the work of erasing a lawn I'd be happy to get them if that was what was for free!
They break down slower so they are less ideal in some applications but are better in others. I personally reserve cedar wood chips for a weed suppression application where I don’t want to re-apply regularly (around the base of some trees, etc)
Would this discourage blackberry/raspberry runners?
I would think only temporarily
For future chip dumping, I'd start at the furthest point. That way when you get tired you don't have as far to go.
Those lil mushrooms popping out of the mulch seems to be standard orange mold or orange slime mold. It's pretty common in decaying moist wood so it makes sense it's shown up in your pile of chips. Ya, def do not eat hahaha! However it's harmless to your environment and it'll move along when it no longer finds the area habitable. Orange mold is quite like the isopod of the mold world....they help break decaying/dead wood down and make it new soil, it does not go after healthy/living specimens. So basically, it's there helping and you may find it popping up or 'crawling' across your property, to which I say it's just moving on, looking for a new home.
We won't eat, just enjoy their work!
Do y’all not have scorpions where you live?
No, too cold up here
Hi, Do you ever worry about poison ivy in your wood chips?
I recently got a load of wood chips and the person told me there’s “a little bit” of poison ivy in it.
I don't worry about it, at least this far along I've never had an issue...
@@edibleacres thanks!
I like your term of “erasing lawn”
I erase my lawn with small tree saplings, the back 40 looks like a plinko game
Adding trees is a great way to go!
I just signed up for chipdrop but am so afraid of receiving a pile of chips with diseases and/or pesticides that can transfer into my soil. Is this a legitimate worry?
I really can't say, but you can always ask... For the most part our experience is that wood chips are jjust from trees, which are super unlikely to have a nasty spray on them. Disease I can't say, but what tree disease would transfer into a lawn? When in doubt use them for what is shown in this video... No contact with growing plants, just lawn removal for the future...
@@edibleacres thank you!
Envy: access to free chips, fantastic, here they’re now quite pricey as the arborists have not been slow to notice high demand. I blame Paul Gautschi!
Why so blue? 😉
that is some "obscenely" deep chips.
Leratiomyces ceres?
AND all of a sudden you guys are in t-shirts and we are in puffer jackets...
But, in this system, where do I plant my chicken eggs? 😆
:)
Why would you plant a walnut tree near where you plan to garden? That may be the reason whatever you planted failed: "The roots, branches and leaves of the black walnut tree release juglone into the soil, discouraging the growth of other plants nearby and thereby reserving more of the area's natural resources for the tree itself. For many plants, this toxin leads to yellowing leaves, leaf drop, wilting and eventual death."
I'd get that walnut far away from the garden if it were mine. 😮
Watch Back to Eden Gardening with Paul and you’ll see that this is not true.
Japanese Walnut doesn't create julone much at all and this is also a very young planting so their influence would be very very tiny anyway. Not much to be concerned about I think
"Low complexity"? You mean "simple"
Nowadays "simple" means nuking with chemicals aka perfectly safe amendments.
Simple, aka Decreased Intrinsic Complexiosity