One of the most aesthetically pleasing designs of any WWII aircraft. This fighter designed by Dr. Jiro Hirokoshi had strict guidelines by the Koku Hombu (Air Ministry) on how this fighter needed to perform. The A5M Claude which it replaced was a fixed lading gear fighter but with a amazing turning radius. Horikoshi decided to make the Zero as light as possible so there was no armor protection and you had to be careful because the aluminum skin was so thin on the fuselage you could lean against it and dent it. Originally the Mitsubishi A6M2 had a 960Hp Sakae engine which was not as powerful as the latter A6M5 engines but because the plane was so light it had a amazing turning radius as American pilots were taught, never turn with a Zero, you won't make it home. This fighter was pure form and function and designed to be able to travel long distances and be a superior fighter with regards to maneuverability. For the first 6 months of the war this was the best naval fighter in the world.
This plane never ceases to amaze me. This clip highlights it's incredibility short takeoff length, while another clip I saw highlights this aircraft's extremely tight turning radius.
And be proud of their wartime atrocities. Live dissection of captured enemy pilots. Raping of thousands of women. Slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians. Yes, be proud in hell.
@@oscarrlee18 No one is disputing those facts and you won't get any push back from me about the behaviour of Japanese Soldiers during WWII which was nothing short of abhorrent but what the hell has that got to do with the civilian Aeronautical Engineers who designed the Zero before the war even started? Or are you going to tar every single Japanese person with the same brush because of the behaviour of their Soldiers. Presumably, we may as well do the same with every single Nation & Race on the Planet who at one time or another in human history has committed atrocities towards other human beings. We are all guilty as sin, Covid-19 is nature's way of reminding us of this fact.
@@vegantoxophilite2594 The F6F was designed AFTER the Zero and was designed specifically to counter it. That tells you all you need to know. It's always easier to improve on someone else's work but the fact still remains that they were first.
Gorious plane she is one of a kind us Sothern Californians are luck to have such a rare plane we should respect it and keep her flying for decades to come:)
Folk, think about this. The Type 52 Zero shown here is one of the few possibly in the world working. It is a piece of living history. The amount shot down during the war and destroyed on the ground. I think it is nice to see one like this in wonderful working order
Beautiful lines, simple and pure. Though I love the little underdog Wildcat and it’s heroic struggle, it looks like it’s standing still next to the sleek Mitsubishi. Thanks for posting this great video without commentary.
Zero-sen. SENTOKI...with a beating Sakae heart. The sword of the skies. As formidable a weapon as ever there was. My most humble respectful admiration bows symbolically to you Mitsubishi. It took five years of war to master your dominance.
I don't know why but out of all non-US aircraft involved in WW2 my favorite has always been the Zero. It was a remarkable fighter and i'm excited to see this aircraft. it's sad to think it's so rare compared to other fighters of the war now days.
@199popopo Thank you. That's really cool. You Japanese do know how to blend tradition, expertise and -- why not? -- a great sense of style. My father would always tell me tales about the War and he told me about the Zero and the Japanese pilots, the honor and the bravery. He passed away last year but he would've loved to see this video and read about the origin of the aircraft's name.
Yes, and I believe it's the last one that flies. There is another one identical to this one hanging in the Smithsonian Air And Space Museum, the last 2 completely original A6M6's.
I have seen this zero alot even have a picture were stood next to the engine cowel when I was a kid. it was this zero that got me liking them. If anyone comes to visit SoCal (LA area) the plane is at "planes of fame air museum" in Chino. they also have the only remaining Raiden left too unfortunatly not in a flying condition:(. Fun fact this Zero was test flown by Charles Lindberg when it was captured. quite the aviation Gem.
This is an original A6M5 Zero with the original Sakae engine. It's owned by Planes of Fame in Chino, California. There are two other flying Zero's in the world, both in the U.S. but they don't have the original engines.
How come the red roundels are NOT clear edged with a white border? The Zero was a big threat to Allied aircraft. It was fast, nibble and well armed with a huge range. It had one Achilles heel. To give it speed and range, armor plating and been sacrificed and the gas tanks were not self-sealing. One good burst from a Browning, especially with tracer rounds, and chances were it would catch fire.
You are correct, Adrian. The red round insignias should be sharp with a white border. Whoever painted these did not do a good job. The color of the Zeroes at Pearl Harbor was gray, but later in the war green zeroes were added.
In response to rinjingan: The early Mustangs, the MkI, the A36, and the P51As, were powered by Allison V12s (U.S.-made). The P51B and D models were powered by British-made Rolls Royce Merlin V12s, or U.S.-made Packard V12s, which were licensed by RR. A Reno Air Race P51 was powered by a Rolls Royce Griffon, and used counter-rotating props. So it was a mix of U.S. and British throughout the history and model range of the Mustang.
Just looking for info why is the rising sun emblem on this aircraft painted in a fuzzy fashion instead of a sharp roundel please,am a great aviation enthusiast and am thankfull to the people and pilots who keep these aircraft flying.LEST WE FORGET.
I was surprised to see the 'blended' Hinomaru (the Rising Sun Japanese National Insignia) and was wondering if this is something that was authentic or was it done with 'artistic license' by the owner? ..........(Or are my eyes just THAT bad?,.hehe)
Kent Gm 戦争初期は旋回性など考えてそうだったのかもしれないけど、戦争後半になってもろくな防弾されてなかったり劇的に速度が上がってないとこを見ると単純に海軍がパワーあるエンジン作れなかった&質の良い燃料とオイル不足&艦上機としての制限なのかな?と思う。 パワーでアメリカに圧倒され、最高速と制限速度の差で一撃離脱を繰り返され零戦は手も足も出ない状態まで追い詰められたらしい。 戦況逆転なんて無理だろうけどもし海軍陸軍が共同でエンジンや武装開発してたらどうなったんだろう・・・と、妄想しちゃいます。
Reading about the airplane states how great it was. I think it was in the very early 40's. All it really had was long range. I dont know how they got pilots in that thing after 1943. It is just a souped up kite. Armament was very weak. Just expected more. At least I got a fellow ASS comment about it.
Because later in the war the white Hinomaru stood out so the Japanese removed it as many of their aircraft were parked in jungles and they would not be as easy to see from the air.
@rinjingan actually packard built the merlin engines under license for the P-51 mustang, making them better than the british versions as well as mass-producible.
If they had the aircraft they had in the end of the the war manufactured sooner, then it would be a much more different story ;D Check out the Ki-84 and J7W1 !!
体が震えるほど凄い・世が世なら、私もゼロ戦に乗つて居たはずです。私わ大正13年生まれです。
はをわと書き込みから、ホントに大正生まれか疑問に感じます。
@@足立竜一 失礼な
Asao Takeno
その年に生まれたのなら開戦の年に18歳。終戦時22歳ですか?
Asao Takeno 俺の親父より8歳も上なのになぜ戦争に行かなかった?部落エッタ?今、98歳ですよね。満洲の抑留者なら話しは分かる。
@@ピンクカブまう
Absolute piece of art! Simple clean, pure and purpose built.
One of the most exquisite designs of WWII especially the wing blending into the fuselage.
One of the most aesthetically pleasing designs of any WWII aircraft. This fighter designed by Dr. Jiro Hirokoshi had strict guidelines by the Koku Hombu (Air Ministry) on how this fighter needed to perform. The A5M Claude which it replaced was a fixed lading gear fighter but with a amazing turning radius. Horikoshi decided to make the Zero as light as possible so there was no armor protection and you had to be careful because the aluminum skin was so thin on the fuselage you could lean against it and dent it. Originally the Mitsubishi A6M2 had a 960Hp Sakae engine which was not as powerful as the latter A6M5 engines but because the plane was so light it had a amazing turning radius as American pilots were taught, never turn with a Zero, you won't make it home. This fighter was pure form and function and designed to be able to travel long distances and be a superior fighter with regards to maneuverability. For the first 6 months of the war this was the best naval fighter in the world.
大空を飛ぶゼロ戦のなんと美しいこと、いい光景が見れて感謝です。
ほんとうに短い離陸と着陸。
零戦の離着陸をみるたび、
やはり艦上機だと思うわ、特にあっさり浮き上がる離陸。
飛行可能にしてくださるアメリカの方の技術力は素晴らしいですね。一度見たいですね。空飛ぶゼロ戦を見に行きたいですね。
This plane never ceases to amaze me. This clip highlights it's incredibility short takeoff length, while another clip I saw highlights this aircraft's extremely tight turning radius.
綺麗な姿です 平和を永久に願います
excellent. thanks for sharing! I knew the A6M was impressive, but I was surprised by the very short takeoff run. Excellent piloting.
The sound quality of this video is good. It sounds just like I remember it.
日の丸が
日の丸弁当の梅干とった後みたいになってる
日本人には航空機の維持はこれを見れば絶対に無理ですね。 22型を持って帰られた方も年間二千万の維持費に限界を感じ売却に出しています。 元の米国に持ち帰り何時でも飛ばせる環境にいられる方が航空機としては幸せかも! 米国人は敵味方なしに良い物は良いとして数十年間も飛ばし続けています。 コメントに中にも有りましたが、疾風の二の舞にだけは成って欲しくは有りません。
疾風は今の技術をフル活用すれば飛ぶ状態まではもっていけるらしい。
@@danbooru30 オリジナル製が無くなるとかクソみたいな理由で直さないけど
Utterly speechless. The Japanese should be proud of what was and still is, one of the greatest flying machines ever made.
The Grumman F6F Hellcat would argue this.
And be proud of their wartime atrocities. Live dissection of captured enemy pilots. Raping of thousands of women. Slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians. Yes, be proud in hell.
@@oscarrlee18 No one is disputing those facts and you won't get any push back from me about the behaviour of Japanese Soldiers during WWII which was nothing short of abhorrent but what the hell has that got to do with the civilian Aeronautical Engineers who designed the Zero before the war even started? Or are you going to tar every single Japanese person with the same brush because of the behaviour of their Soldiers. Presumably, we may as well do the same with every single Nation & Race on the Planet who at one time or another in human history has committed atrocities towards other human beings. We are all guilty as sin, Covid-19 is nature's way of reminding us of this fact.
@@vegantoxophilite2594 The F6F was designed AFTER the Zero and was designed specifically to counter it. That tells you all you need to know. It's always easier to improve on someone else's work but the fact still remains that they were first.
Eines der schönsten und besten Flugzeug seiner Zeit!!!
Gorious plane she is one of a kind us Sothern Californians are luck to have such a rare plane we should respect it and keep her flying for decades to come:)
1978年(昭和53年)初の里帰りの時にこの塗装に塗り替えました、塗り替え作業をしたのは陸自の木更津駐屯地でした。
塗り替え作業中に「松本零士」先生も見えたそうです。
Folk, think about this. The Type 52 Zero shown here is one of the few possibly in the world working. It is a piece of living history. The amount shot down during the war and destroyed on the ground. I think it is nice to see one like this in wonderful working order
Beautiful lines, simple and pure. Though I love the little underdog Wildcat and it’s heroic struggle, it looks like it’s standing still next to the sleek Mitsubishi. Thanks for posting this great video without commentary.
アメリカは日本の戦闘機零戦を残してくれるとは最高です
日本では零戦は全て廃棄処分されてしまったので(負けたから)
歴史を感じる素晴らしい映像を感謝します
栄エンジンがあってこそのゼロ戦だよ。
エンジンが違うと飛行機は別物でこの機体こそが唯一の本物。アメリカで大事にしてほしい(日本には返すな)
What a beautiful restoration! Thanks for the video : )
Zero-sen. SENTOKI...with a beating Sakae heart. The sword of the skies. As formidable a weapon as ever there was. My most humble respectful admiration bows symbolically to you Mitsubishi. It took five years of war to master your dominance.
A beautiful looking aircraft one of my favourite fighters.
違和感ないと思います。
父が整備兵で海軍時代に零戦の整備してました。
コクピットで「コンタクト!」の掛け声で始動すると話ししてました
そうですね 零式艦上戦闘機は軽量化に軽量化をしたためにエンジンを始動するのに必要な電動機器をなくしたため 始動のさいは 操縦席に操縦者 エンジン横に二人 右斜め下あたりにエナーシャ 慣性起動器がありそこにクランクをさし手動で回し操縦者がコンタクトと言ったら エナーシャとプロペラのクランクシャフトにつなげ 始動させます。自分聞いたのはこんな感じ
I don't know why but out of all non-US aircraft involved in WW2 my favorite has always been the Zero. It was a remarkable fighter and i'm excited to see this aircraft. it's sad to think it's so rare compared to other fighters of the war now days.
@199popopo Thank you. That's really cool. You Japanese do know how to blend tradition, expertise and -- why not? -- a great sense of style. My father would always tell me tales about the War and he told me about the Zero and the Japanese pilots, the honor and the bravery. He passed away last year but he would've loved to see this video and read about the origin of the aircraft's name.
美しいですね
五二型は推力式単排気管だからパラパラ甲高い音しますね
最高や このエンジン音といい空気抵抗を徹底的に減らしたボディデザイン。フレームに穴をあけて軽量化して空中戦では無敵だったり「ゼロを見たら逃げろ」これがアメリカの口癖だった
Wow !!! Such an historic plane !!!
I just love the sound of the engine
so cool!
It is wonderful. Japan should prize this. Thank you From Japan
Imagine flying this plane and found a ship and suddenly it moves by itself and aimed at the ship
I did like the airplane. I just expected something a lot bigger and meaner. That is all I meant to say. Thanks to the camera man and poster.
thumbs up if that plane makes one of the best sounds you've ever heard in your life.
昔図書館でこのゼロ戦の復元に関連した本を読んだことありますが、復元資金と、
アメリカの空を飛行する基準を満たす事等で復元期間が長期に延び、オーナーも3人関わって様ですね。
Brilliant aircraft .
エンジン音にやはりドスの効いた兵器の凄みがあるね。
大日本帝国の翼よ。
I really love the sound of the original Sakae 21 engine. . . it's so... beautiful.
Yes, and I believe it's the last one that flies. There is another one identical to this one hanging in the Smithsonian Air And Space Museum, the last 2 completely original A6M6's.
I have seen this zero alot even have a picture were stood next to the engine cowel when I was a kid. it was this zero that got me liking them. If anyone comes to visit SoCal (LA area) the plane is at "planes of fame air museum" in Chino. they also have the only remaining Raiden left too unfortunatly not in a flying condition:(. Fun fact this Zero was test flown by Charles Lindberg when it was captured. quite the aviation Gem.
思わず離陸の瞬間にモニターに向かって敬礼してしまいました。
軽そうな音と機体
いくら強くてもあくまでムエタイのライト級がK1のヘビー級と戦うようなものだったのでしょう
大戦終盤はその通りですね。紫電の次の次くらいまで開発できていれば・・・ってやつですかね。。。
個人的には「頭文字D」みたいなもんだと思っています。型遅れの非力で軽さしかメリットのない機体で、パワーも機構もはるかに上を行く相手に立ち向かう・・・マンガなら主人公補正でなんとかなっても現実では・・・ですねw
getyudagesu 戦争終盤でP51編隊75機に零戦単機で突っ込んで1機撃破、無傷で帰還した武人もいますね、道具というのはベテランにかかればたとえそれが限定的でも機能を最大限発揮できるのでしょう。
This is an original A6M5 Zero with the original Sakae engine. It's owned by Planes of Fame in Chino, California. There are two other flying Zero's in the world, both in the U.S. but they don't have the original engines.
dream of 零戰
この平和な空を元気に飛び回って欲しいですね!
FYI this zero was once painted camo before painting it to all green.
WW2 fighter prop engine sound - the best!! - better than jet, UFO, and Harley.
日本って恥ずかしー。
アメリカ人はこんなに綺麗にほかんしてくれてんのに疾風?は野ざらしにしてダメにしたんかー。
どこの国でも戦時中のものを野ざらしにするのは問題になってるけどやっぱ後世に戦争の悲しさを伝えるためにもしっかりと保管すべきだよなぁー
ママンママクソババア 日本って恥ずかしい、、は同意出来ませんが、大切に保管すべきですね。
ママンママクソババア
戦争を後世に伝えるには老人の証言と写真、原爆ドームで十分って思ってるんだろう
そもそも日本にはエアレースや航空ショーの文化がない
それに東京には伝統的な建物が殆どないのに対して欧州の都市ではわざわざ区画まで造って残すことからわかるように日本人にはそういう考えが湧かない
ましてや負けた戦争に使われた兵器なんてどーでもいいんだろ
俺らって意外と文化や歴史を大切にしない所あるよね…。
だからこそ新しい物を取り入れて常に進化出来たのかも知れないけど…
やっぱ古い物も守らなきゃな。
How come the red roundels are NOT clear edged with a white border? The Zero was a big threat to Allied aircraft. It was fast, nibble and well armed with a huge range. It had one Achilles heel. To give it speed and range, armor plating and been sacrificed and the gas tanks were not self-sealing. One good burst from a Browning, especially with tracer rounds, and chances were it would catch fire.
Adrian Larkins but even then The Zero had a terrifying KD ratio of 12:1. They put all points in the offense when they design The Zero.
A kill ratio of 12:1 over China, but the Hellcat had a kill ratio of 19:1 over it.
You are correct, Adrian. The red round insignias should be sharp with a white border. Whoever painted these did not do a good job. The color of the Zeroes at Pearl Harbor was gray, but later in the war green zeroes were added.
この個体は79年に横浜に入港したものを木更津で整備された時に試験飛行を目撃しています。
オリジナルの栄エンジンの音は今も忘れられません。
そして今はチノのすぐ帰宅に娘が住んでいます。
Zero does not stall even landing in more low speed. :)
In response to rinjingan: The early Mustangs, the MkI, the A36, and the P51As, were powered by Allison V12s (U.S.-made). The P51B and D models were powered by British-made Rolls Royce Merlin V12s, or U.S.-made Packard V12s, which were licensed by RR. A Reno Air Race P51 was powered by a Rolls Royce Griffon, and used counter-rotating props. So it was a mix of U.S. and British throughout the history and model range of the Mustang.
3:34 Mmm, pure Sakae right there
No self sealing tanks and no armor for the pilot by 1943 it was 50 caliber food.BUT it is a beautiful flying piece of history!
かっかっけぇぇぇぇ
thanks USA!
マジアメリカに感謝だな。
52型でやっと本来の機体の要求強度まで上げる事が出来て急降下で空中分解の危険の恐怖から解放されたとかーですが武装も多く為り、一応ですが防弾装備も備えたので重量が増したのと戦争後期に入っていたのでー品質が下がり、パイロットも未熟で思う様な戦果は挙げられなかったそうですねーやはり、兵器の強度や品質をケチって装備すると後々後悔だけでは済まされ無い事態に為るって事ですねー
I totally understand where your coming from.
A beautiful restoration project. But why are the Hinamaru's blurred on the upper wings and Fuselage ?
プレン·オブ·フェイムの零戦だね❗️
詳しくないのですが、ゼロ戦は
エナーシャを回してコンタクトをとって
エンジンをかけるのではないんですか?
There's plenty in museums, didn't know there was any in flying condition though.
零戰真的蠻耐看的!
Awesome
俺の好きな零戦52型
good video
Dear USA,
Thank you for defeating Japan ,I hear they didn't treat everybody so kind.
Let us not forget.
That may be true, but every nation has a bad past, mustn't forget
P-51 had a Packard engine... built in America. It was a modified version of a Rolls-Royce.
この機体は塗装し直されているのでしょうか?
95年と96年に竜ヶ崎飛行場で飛んだ機体ですよね。
P51ムスタングと一緒に飛んだはずです。
その時は胴体に白いラインが二本と白枠のちゃんとした日の丸でしたが。
尾翼の機体番号61−120だけは当時のままです。
向こうではエアレース等で飛んでいる様ですが、
定かではありません。
しかし、動体保存しているほぼ完全な機体として貴重な物です。
Reproduction of camouflage paint, better than other Zero.
Just looking for info why is the rising sun emblem on this aircraft painted in a fuzzy fashion instead of a sharp roundel please,am a great aviation enthusiast and am thankfull to the people and pilots who keep these aircraft flying.LEST WE FORGET.
エンジンスタートのセルモーターは、本来付いているのですか、
この飛行機の中では世界大戦はまだ終わっていない
I was surprised to see the 'blended' Hinomaru (the Rising Sun Japanese National Insignia) and was wondering if this is something that was authentic or was it done with 'artistic license' by the owner? ..........(Or are my eyes just THAT bad?,.hehe)
Most countries active in WW2, developed their own planes and engines, US in the beginning used British engines, also the Germans did that.
the sound of flybys by those ww2 aircrafts O.O
日の丸が・・・!!これじゃあバングラデシュだよ・・・
Most people call it the Packard-Merlin, so I will call it that.
過去に52型が帰郷して飛んだ時に浜松基地でみたのだが返還されても飛べないなんてね…阿呆らしくて涙が出る
Coooool
How did Packard building the Merline engine make it better than the original British version?
これの零戦はアメリカで保存して欲しい日本に帰って来ても野ざらしされそうだし
アイコンがマメ(マヤと恵)やん!
Does this aircraft have the original Sakae engine?
Actually, the P-51 used a Packard made version of the merlin, so P-51D Mustang- American plane, American Made engine.
My favorite is Nakajima B5N2 Kate torpedoe bomber
I prefer the P1Y1 Ginga
ゼロ戦の厚さが数ミリのニュースでやってたんですけど、これは攻撃されることより早く遠くに飛ぶことを重視したんですか?
Kent Gm
戦争初期は旋回性など考えてそうだったのかもしれないけど、戦争後半になってもろくな防弾されてなかったり劇的に速度が上がってないとこを見ると単純に海軍がパワーあるエンジン作れなかった&質の良い燃料とオイル不足&艦上機としての制限なのかな?と思う。
パワーでアメリカに圧倒され、最高速と制限速度の差で一撃離脱を繰り返され零戦は手も足も出ない状態まで追い詰められたらしい。
戦況逆転なんて無理だろうけどもし海軍陸軍が共同でエンジンや武装開発してたらどうなったんだろう・・・と、妄想しちゃいます。
Kent Gm
外板自体は基本的には数ミリもあれば充分なんです。英国のハリケーン戦闘機は胴体後部は布張りです。機体の剛性の大半は骨組みで支えます。実際、銃撃で穴だらけになっても帰還している例は沢山あります。もちろん強力な機関砲が命中すれば翼が吹っ飛んだりしますが、何でもないところに機銃弾が少しぐらい当たっても問題ありません。
問題は、操縦席の周囲と燃料タンクに十分な防弾を施していなかったという点です。パイロットに弾が当たればタダでは済みませんから。また燃料タンクに命中すれば火だるまです。
広い太平洋で戦うために航続距離を稼がなければならないのと、エンジン出力が当時としては並み以下であったので余裕がなく、格闘戦で優位に立つために極力軽くせざるを得なかったということです。
早く遠くにというのは少し違います。通常は最高速で飛び続けるようなことはしません。極端に燃費が落ちてしまいますので。より遠くまで飛び、より優位に格闘戦をするために、切り捨てたものがあるというのが近いです。
それを米軍は逆手に取って、防弾の弱さを突き、強力な火力と速度を活かして急襲して逃げるという戦法を採ったのです。
分かりやすく言うと、取っ組み合いの喧嘩はせず、頑丈なアメ車で後ろから近づいてきて、隙をついてマシンガンをぶっ放して走り去るという、マフィアのやり方を実戦したのです。
”飛べない飛行機は意味がない事をまったく理解しない日本”
敗戦国ですから、それなりの態度でしょう。
それでも、こうやってあの零戦見られるのはありがたい。
Reading about the airplane states how great it was. I think it was in the very early 40's. All it really had was long range. I dont know how they got pilots in that thing after 1943. It is just a souped up kite. Armament was very weak. Just expected more. At least I got a fellow ASS comment about it.
Packard called theirs the V-1650.
Why is the "meatball" on the side not more defined?
Because later in the war the white Hinomaru stood out so the Japanese removed it as many of their aircraft were parked in jungles and they would not be as easy to see from the air.
@rinjingan actually packard built the merlin engines under license for the P-51 mustang, making them better than the british versions as well as mass-producible.
機内カメラの映像も欲しいところ。
@saberdryver ???
wasn't the Zero a Japanese plane?
Do you want me to list you the American planes with American engines?
短い助走で飛ぶんですね。
+Kawasaki Z1000J そりゃあ、空母でも運用できるように造られた戦闘機だからね。
does anyone know if the Zero at Mojave airport flies or if its a static display there ?
WOW, amazing plane, too bad the Japanese under powered and did little to help it with proper armor and weapons.
If they had the aircraft they had in the end of the the war manufactured sooner, then it would be a much more different story ;D Check out the Ki-84 and J7W1 !!
Admok Banterman or even the N1K2
I love that too. They made a lot of them but were kept in mainland :/
If Japan had savored their experienced pilots, the Ki-84s and N1Ks would have been the clearly dominant aircraft of the world