@@johnakridge2916 What I mean is that we aren’t entirely sure of those holes came from those exact guns. It’s more thrilling seeing durability tests completely. To observe the impacts
Thank you for all the tests.... for sure very few people would be able to make them, taking in consideration the costs...... Titanium Sheet - Offcut - Grade5 (TA6V) - Thickness : 5 mm - Lenght 1000mm - Width 360mm --- for 699.00 € (plus shipping)..... to expensive for me..... We'll be looking forward your next videos.
This definitely is a good test, but the prices are prohibitive for armor. I bought very small pieces (4 square inches) for an electrolytic cell years ago and it was quite expensive at nearly $30 per plate. You may be able to recover some costs by cutting it and selling it to hobby chemists for electrolytic cells. Still, definitely a very valuable video. Thank you.
Tremulousnut ore 3mm thickness with corner edge wave like mold for vehicle door panel is I think good enough for small arm. Armoring companies should start a civilian "ONLY" armor kit market. Specially road rage shooting and burglary is up. Honestly that would be a good business to start selling this civilian market only DIY basic armor KIT.
I love the tokarev going through the 2mm plate. The CRISAT vest consisted of a 1.5mm titanium plate with a layer of kevlar behind it. CRISAT was a NATO test target meant to replicate soviet light body armor for testing PDWs on. Imagine if someone just brought, like, a PPSh-41 and a Tokarev pistol to the NATO PDW trials. I wouldn't be suprised if it completely outperformed 5.7 and 4.6
*Titanium Armour* Firstly, titanium armours can be spaced apart to increase the effectiveness at stopping bullets. And spacing the titanium sheets apart creates a cushion that slows the bullet before the titanium is penetrated. For example, a titanium shield can have a thin 1.2mm sheet of titanium over the front of the main shield plate. This 1.2mm sheet can have spacer lugs welded to it. Furthermore, a bullets force will be reduced on impact with a space of 1 centimetre inbetween two titanium sheets. And a 1.2mm sheet of titanium in front of the main shield plate would do this. Lastly, this titanium spaced armour has actually been demonstrated and tested to be effective on the American demolition ranches. Next, spacing other metals apart would create a similar bullet stopping effect. And I imagine that spacing steel apart would be effective to create a cushion that would slow a bullet. In addition, aluminium would also increase in effectiveness spaced apart. Furthermore, I think because of the properties of aluminium spacing it would have limited benifits. However, you would still increase your bullet stopping power by spacing your aluminium apart. As a result, I think that all your metal and alloy armours should be spaced in some way and taking the time to do that is a good idea. Lastly, when you space your armours apart it is so effective that you can expect to stop a higher calibre bullet. And this is particularly useful on a shield. Table#1 Types of Shields ------------------ *Titanium backpack buckler* -40cm in diameter -4mm thick titanium -Weight 2.5kg including handle -If the 4mm of titanium is a high tensile strength and spaced correctly you will be able to stop 7.62 NATO and 50cal magnum rounds with this buckler. *Steel backpack buckler* -40cm in diameter -3.5mm thick steel -Weight 3.7kg including handle -If the 3.5mm of steel is a high tensile strength and spaced correctly you will be able to stop 5.56 NATO and 45cal magnum rounds with this buckler. *Titanium Tower Shield* -100cm×70cm in Area -3mm thick titanium -Weight 10kg including handle -If the 3mm of titanium is a high tensile strength and spaced correctly you will be able to stop 45cal magnum rounds and 5.56 NATO with this shield. *Titanium Shield* -50cm×70cm in Area -3mm thick titanium -Weight 5kg including handle -If the 3mm of titanium is a high tensile strength and spaced correctly you will be able to stop 45cal magnum rounds and 5.56 NATO with this shield. *Aluminium Shield* -50cm×70cm in Area -10mm thick Aluminium -Weight 10kg including handle -The tensile strength of aluminium varies a lot between regular aluminium and the 7000 series of aluminium. And that means you can make this shield just as effective as titanium. *Steel Shield* -50cm×70cm in Area -3.5mm thick steel -Weight 10kg including handle -If the 3.5mm of steel is a high tensile strength and spaced correctly you will be able to stop 45cal magnum rounds and 5.56 NATO with this shield. Lastly, the perfect thickness for bullet proof brigandine plates is 3.0mm or 4mm titanium. And you just try and find the highest tensile strength titanium you can and just use that thickness. In addition, I have also decided that if you get a 1mm thick aluminium face size plate you can shape it in to a horror face and then bolt it to your titanium helmet. As a result, you can have a full set of bullet proof brigandine armour with a horror face helmet. That is going to be terrifying with swords and bowling ball cannons. Finally, if your metal tensile strength is high enough you will be able to deflect or even completely proof yourself against 7.62 NATO bullets. Table #2 Use of Formulas ------------ s = tensile strength in pascals (Pa) F = force in newtons (N) A = cross-sectional area in (m²) m = bullet grain mass (kg) a = acceleration of bullet (m/s²) t = time of impact (seconds) v = velocity (m/s) *(m(v/t=a)=F)/s=A* 9mm bullet Force = (m(v/t=a)=F) v/t=a (430m/s)/(0.0024s)=179,167m/s² ma=F (0.0075kg)(179,167)=1344N Aluminium tensile strength = 240MPa = 240000000Pa F/s=A (1344N)/(240000000)=5.6e-6m² 5.6e-6m² = 0.0000056m2 = 0.056cm² = 5.6mm² Therefore, a 115 grain 9mm bullet traveling at 430m/s requires 5.6mm² of 240MPa Aluminium to block it. Reference: th-cam.com/video/QOkZzjQEx4M/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/FTYGvL_e1ko/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/urz8vhJpcIY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/pBKItHNe4qk/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/6on8zQOuS-Q/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/xLSBRGePh0U/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/DwXzla2Ye24/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/T9xMx6_i9mg/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/users/shortskf9LtS2QDQA?feature=share
Metals with an aramid /fiber backing work relatively well together for pistol ammunition because when they deform/fragment , the fibers have an easyer time stopping them
I'm thinking for a full body armour suit make a medieval style gambeson out of soft Kevlar layers. Then make plate armour for shoulders, chest and back out of carbon fibre and Kevlar glued composites. Then make some titanium plates for shoulders and chest for extra protection which would glue onto the Carbon and Kevlar composite and finally spray it with high quality rubber bed liner.
How about testing 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10mm titanium? What are the dimensions of the plates, and what do they weigh? Also, could you test titanium against steel armor? And how about testing with AK-47 and NATO M-4 and 7.62 rounds?
Exackly the kind of video I was looking for, only a minute and 53 seconds in and im already wishing you showed the shooting footage and wish you would have tested all the metals both flat and angled
How about 10mm Grade 5 Titanium and Grade 9 Titanium? Or just alloy mixed with stainless steel? or use layering techniques such as 3 layers of 3mm Titanium, 3mm Tungsten, and 3mm Titanium?
If you brought it on ebay it was probably fake. Grade 5 titanium is very expensive, and your tests show the titanium cracking. It is not a brittle alloy and it shouldn't crack or fracture but dent or scuff instead. If a bullet does penetrate it there should be a small, smooth hole instead of a fractured and cracked one like shown in the video.
May I suggest putting the 4mm infront of the 5.......if I correct if a round barely makes it through the 4mm it should be slow enough for the 5mm to stop it.....I may be wrong but its worth a try
Seeing these results I think there's no point in trying with a lower (softer) grade Ti. The advandage of using this grades of Ti is that you can heat treat them and obtain a much higher hardness. Would be interesting to see if a heat treated plate would just shatter on impact or make bullets bounce off it.
Put something akin to grip tape or diamond dust/GLUE OR RESIN on top to cut the projectile, break it up so it deforms faster and vaporize it before the plate...
Nice idea, but cost to performance ratio of titanium plate as an armor is not ideal, unless light weight is an important factor. NM500 or AR500 steels are much cheaper for armor plates, but a plate of the same size that can stop the given caliber weighs more compared to titanium.
We in America cannot get PPSH. I wish. Very nice gun. I have CZ 52 pistol. Some loads can reach 1900 fps. In future if possible state velocities if you can measure them. Mabe a chrongraph and test titanium against 30/30 150gr jsp and .223 55gr. ? Good videos.
Nice video. I'm curious if you added a small layer of Kevlar with about 10 mm of foam behind it if you could come up with a hybrid type of light weight armor ??
6.35mm by 300mm by 250mm. Steel Plate +-3.75kg / Titanium 2kg. The idea is to use a slightly thicker titanium plate because it weights 45% less but its 5% weaker. A500 plates start at 6.35 mm which would be quite heavy. You would want to increase the thickness by 5% to match the strength making your titanium plate 6.67mm with a weight of 2.16kg.
Thanks for sharing this Titanium Tests. Two Questions: 1) What was the distance from the gun to the Titanium target ? 2) is it Titanium Grade 5 the same as Titanium 6AL-4V alloy ?
Thank you for this info. One More question: What would be more effective against the 9 mm round, One Single Titanium 5 Plate of 4 mm or two stacked 2mm Plates ?
Well, i don't know. I think 4mm would be stronger. 2mm plates should be glued together or something but the question is, what will happen after first hit. Will the plate separate because of impact force? Probably. than plates will move unless you keep them on some kind of kevlar pouch so they still close to each other. I will make a new test next week with 2mm Tungsten plate backed by titanium and aluminium. I think if you use 2 or 3mm Titanium plate and back it with 5mm aluminium plate it will be much stronger. Titanium will shatter the bullet and aluminium will not allow titanium to deform and crack. I will use this idea to test Tungsten. I think the results will be similar to Titanium/aluminium configuration. Will see.
Alright so i have a molle vest with level 3 soft armor, and i want to layer small 4" crescent moon shapes of this to be like scales, how practical do you think this is? I would manufacture it to have the hold drilled on the flat part, attached to the molle, with the next layer covering the holes where they attach, in an overlapping pattern, i would probably use the 4mm you mentioned, how much did you pay for each panel? And what kind of tool can cut this metal or am i looking at a plasma cutter?
Looked very brittle, may be too brittle. Was it full hard, that means cold rolled, non annealed? Have you ever tried martensitic steel for rollforming?
Thanks for making this great testing video. I may have missed it, but what distance was each target from each firearm? The regular distance used by armour companies is 10 feet / 305cm between the end of the barrel and the armour plate being tested. There are always tests done from 90 degrees (face on) to the target and varying angles to the target.
@@Drzewacz888 Cheers. Are you sure it was 10 metres and not 10 feet, and are you sure you have genuine grade 5 titanium? From recollection of military tests, a .22 shouldn't do any damage to grade 5 titanium, of any of those thickness, if it's ten metres away (They actually only test for greater calibres). 6.3mm thick wouldn't sustain any damage from a .22 at 10 feet away, for example.
The .44mag from that long gun is throwing a huge amount of energy at that plate; approaching small rifle energy levels. With some treatment: curvature and/or kevlar/glass fiber laminate; you might just stop some rifle rounds like .223.
I know, but that was the only 44Mag gun i had available at that time. I will shoot it with Desert Eagle 44Mag in few weeks :) and see the difference. Also, I will be shooting a laminate plate made of Tungsten+Titanium+Aluminium and Tungsten+Aluminium. I just need time to make it and shoot it.
Drzewacz888 Tungsten is too heavy I would think. If the plate is bigger or heavier than an AR500 plate it is kind of pointless. I would think that some combo of UHMDPE/Titanium/Kevlar/Glass Fiber would be the ticket. Maybe consider thinner layers of grade 9 Ti sandwiched between composites.
I know it's heavy, but the purpose of my tests and videos is to test and see how strong certain materials are. My tungsten plates are 2mm thick, I had them made to order in china. Luckily for me, one company was kind enough to make them for me, 2mmx150mmx150mm plate cost me 65$. I got 2. I will not shoot at the plate alone as its too thin, too hard (it might shatter) and too expensive, to just play with it alone. My idea is to glue few plates together, 2mm Tungsten in front backed by 3mm titanium plate backed by 5mm aluminium. 2nd plate will be 2mm Tungsten plate backed by 5 or 8mm aluminium to prevent deformation and shattering. I could wrap it all in some Kevlar 29 as i still have some left but it will take too much time. maybe next time. But the idea of 3mm titanium backed by 10mm UHMDPE wrapped in Kevlar is in my head for some time now and i think it might be good. At least for something in IIIA class range i think. The problem with thin titanium was that it was deforming in the point of impact and crack and that was the cause of penetration in my opinion. If i can back titanium with some other material to prevent that, for example aluminium or UHMDPE, than even 3mm titanum might stop 44Mag! I hope. Maybe. Will see ;) I will test that for sure as it is my conclusion from tests I've done here.
I would say to make the armor better is basically make lamellar armor out of titanium basically the over lapping layers would make it more durable and its flexible to it would make some good armor
I been doing some research on grade 38 titanium & that grade was originally ment for balistic armor. It is "easy" to forge and work on and can be heat treated to increase the strength and resiliency. I'm sure 2.5mm to 3mm of heat treated at grade 38 titanium medieval plate armor can hold pretty well maybe around a level IIIA balistic or at least a level II+.
@@skatetrooper5285 Ive been looking into Ti 38 but I cant seam to find anything else besides others saying its ment for armor. Do you know where I can find specs?
to heat treat titanium you simple heat it up to temperature and set it on the anvil and let it cool titanium is an air hardening material real complex heat treating
you need to put a ceramic plate on the titanium with give space of between them (ceramic on the top) and you get more powerfull armor with that technique
Wonder what would be good for rifle rounds like 5.56, .308, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, .223, or 30-60. I'm thinking what could stop these would stop pistol and shotgun rounds also.
Few years ago, before I made those videos I shot AP round 7,62x54r from mosin to 10mm titanium plate grade5. It made about 2mm chip/dent in it. That really how I got interested in making all the tests and videos.
@@Drzewacz888 Nice. The Mosin Nagant is a beast. I've shot only the Mauser 98k and The Bulgarian SKS from my dad's collection when we've gone shooting. I like the SKS personally.
DIY for personal Anti theft, carnaping, and small time street mugging with small arms.The vehicles body plus the 3mm I think is good enough for DIY vehicle door side panel. Then all you need is an armored glass. I think, but not sure if you can order a armored glass for regular civilian vehicle use from a company called RIDA armored glass I saw it at Utube. Actually I commented and suggesting that the company make a DIY kit for the public LEVEL 1 and 2 for civilian use only. That will not, of course stop a police round for legality issues. This civilian level is protection only for small time theft, road rage, vandalism, and car jacking. Really hope some armor company start selling this civilian armoring DIY kit that would protect a lot of civilian who only want extra protection on the public road specially road rage shooting and mugging is up while the armor company make millions on this civilian market. Any company out there listening???
if im planning to put 5 mm titanium on my car instead of The original metal on the outside of my car what kind oftast price are we talking? it is a (Volvo 740)
The skipper A lot! and you would have to upgrade suspension and brakes. Much better solution to make a car bulletproof is using a special Kevlar panels, they are much lighter and cheaper. don't do it anyway. If you have that much money buy second hand armoured car.
A cheaper option is S2 fiberglass. That's what they used in early composite armoured vehicles. But really, it's a buying a secondhand armoured car is better because there are so many nuances to the trade. It's not just about up-armouring the car, but also making sure it does not affect handling (which means strengthening chassis to take the weight, tuning, etc).
You would probably be looking for cheap CP Titanium. The 5mm x 300mm x 25mm Plate weighting in at 2kg would cost any where from 35USD to 100USD. Although I have no idea where you would get titanium at the right price. I'm guessing you could TIG weld these plates. 2 mm Titanium on your car will only be slightly heavier that the 1 mm steal panels on your car. Although I have no idea how you would fabricate the titanium panels.
9:56 where do u live i live in alaska and u need a class 3 license and to even get a license you have to pay so much in taxes and get the chief of police to sign on a piece of paper and present why you need the license i probably forgot some of the other things you need to do
We live in the USA where Full auto is beraded with taxes bc the Democrats dont like our Freedom. Well guess what. We can still get it and its actually legal no matter what these cops enforce. Bc even in their constitution it says "do not infringe". It means you can't touch that Right even in the littlest to biggest Reason it cant be touched. But i dont care if its in the Constitution or not. I can have what i want no matter what they think.
great video, exactly what i was looking for, realistic if i wanted instant this in my car, i wish for more extensive testing with higher caliber and thickness, thanks
@@terabytegG5_but_og it's all about geometry and dimensions at the end of the day. And I think he actually tested Kevlar and titanium and didn't find it to be too effective. Kevlar needs a little bit of flex to work super well. Having a hard backing (I may be talking out of my ass here) may stiffen the Kevlar too much.
Hello, we are a titanium material supplier from China, we are able to provide this titanium plate, this is my WhatsApp 8615034001015, this is the email address, anber@bjhighstar.com
Can you link this video for me. I want to see it. Besides, less than 5mm think material is very thin, if you believe that it can stop rifle round than ok, I wouldn't put my life on it tho. Steel AR500 is much stronger than titanium grade 5, but it's also heavier. Steel plate in body armour usually is around 7mm thick so it's able to stop rifle rounds. Believe what you want but those are titanium plates.
I think he's talking about the Demolition Ranch video. th-cam.com/video/C3fBkNIROg4/w-d-xo.html Titanium is a gimmick unless it's for vehicle armour, or somewhere where corrosion is an issue (the sea). There's simply too much bulk required to achieve the same level of protection as steel.
Jacob Keary, there's certainly shoot test for titanium plates, but they are no where near as thin as he state. He's probably very confused...and wrote 3cm as 3mm.
I could but my bet is that it will go through it. Rifle rounds are much stronger than pistol rounds. For AK o would go with min 7mm but that's an educated guess.
@@aimless3827 that's when we're going to buy stuff like this or important tools don't ever get anything made from China. I had a guy that works on the steel company and it was telling me Chinese Steel is terrible, I mean it's almost like iron. If you buy Chinese steel the first few sheets are actually steel with a good amount of impurities it makes it overall little weaker, and the rest are like almost mild steel or iron. If anybody's going to buy things like this in this case titanium sheets get either American-made, European made, or Japanese made or canadian-made and that's it.
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It seems like it and also depends how far he was shooting. It's going to use any forms of metal or in this case especially titanium as armor I recommend green 38. Great 38 titanium was originally designed for ballistic protection. You could also harden a great 38 and grade 5 to increase their strength.
Nice test, how ever i m sorry to tell you that u Do not consider the chemical and phisical properties of titanium, the problem of this material is that under 1 cm thickness is break easily under thensile force
@@Drzewacz888 That's it...People do not want to see the "after" result without seeing the actual event. There is no verification of the event other than a mere "this happened "... You constructively both give the viewers the finger while saying "just believe me"...
in demo ranch channel we can see that a 1.5 inch grade 1 titanium plate can stop up to a .50 bmg ap round. I think they might have sold you some hardened alluminium alloys.
You can test it out by heating it with a propane torch in one corner and see how easily it bends. if it's true grade 5 you should have a little hard time bending it.
Hands down the best video on TH-cam on this subject thank you!
Thanks
How, we didn’t see shit. Just before and afters without proof if he even shot the damn thing
@@masternoob9673 are you serious.
@@johnakridge2916 What I mean is that we aren’t entirely sure of those holes came from those exact guns. It’s more thrilling seeing durability tests completely. To observe the impacts
Could you post a video of 8-12mm titanium plating against rifle rounds?
Thank you for all the tests.... for sure very few people would be able to make them, taking in consideration the costs......
Titanium Sheet - Offcut - Grade5 (TA6V) - Thickness : 5 mm - Lenght 1000mm - Width 360mm --- for 699.00 € (plus shipping)..... to expensive for me.....
We'll be looking forward your next videos.
i admit it was not cheap. I'm glad you liked it!
This definitely is a good test, but the prices are prohibitive for armor. I bought very small pieces (4 square inches) for an electrolytic cell years ago and it was quite expensive at nearly $30 per plate. You may be able to recover some costs by cutting it and selling it to hobby chemists for electrolytic cells.
Still, definitely a very valuable video. Thank you.
We can provide Grade5 titanium plate ,my email: anber@bjhighstar.com
Can you try curving the plates in the future? Not only to test for comfort, but for strength?
Tremulousnut ore 3mm thickness with corner edge wave like mold for vehicle door panel is I think good enough for small arm. Armoring companies should start a civilian "ONLY" armor kit market. Specially road rage shooting and burglary is up. Honestly that would be a good business to start selling this civilian market only DIY basic armor KIT.
@@macabansa1669 agreed it would be a great idea
@@macabansa1669 We are currently working on that at the moment :)
Lol, the thing is that, sometimes people have to die. its not like they can't protect humans from bullets ya know?
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Can you provide more detail on the titanium plate ? like how much does it weigh, what are the dimensions cost etc.
I love the tokarev going through the 2mm plate.
The CRISAT vest consisted of a 1.5mm titanium plate with a layer of kevlar behind it.
CRISAT was a NATO test target meant to replicate soviet light body armor for testing PDWs on.
Imagine if someone just brought, like, a PPSh-41 and a Tokarev pistol to the NATO PDW trials.
I wouldn't be suprised if it completely outperformed 5.7 and 4.6
*Titanium Armour*
Firstly, titanium armours can be spaced apart to increase the effectiveness at stopping bullets. And spacing the titanium sheets apart creates a cushion that slows the bullet before the titanium is penetrated. For example, a titanium shield can have a thin 1.2mm sheet of titanium over the front of the main shield plate. This 1.2mm sheet can have spacer lugs welded to it. Furthermore, a bullets force will be reduced on impact with a space of 1 centimetre inbetween two titanium sheets. And a 1.2mm sheet of titanium in front of the main shield plate would do this. Lastly, this titanium spaced armour has actually been demonstrated and tested to be effective on the American demolition ranches.
Next, spacing other metals apart would create a similar bullet stopping effect. And I imagine that spacing steel apart would be effective to create a cushion that would slow a bullet. In addition, aluminium would also increase in effectiveness spaced apart. Furthermore, I think because of the properties of aluminium spacing it would have limited benifits. However, you would still increase your bullet stopping power by spacing your aluminium apart. As a result, I think that all your metal and alloy armours should be spaced in some way and taking the time to do that is a good idea. Lastly, when you space your armours apart it is so effective that you can expect to stop a higher calibre bullet. And this is particularly useful on a shield.
Table#1 Types of Shields
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*Titanium backpack buckler*
-40cm in diameter
-4mm thick titanium
-Weight 2.5kg including handle
-If the 4mm of titanium is a high tensile strength and spaced correctly you will be able to stop 7.62 NATO and 50cal magnum rounds with this buckler.
*Steel backpack buckler*
-40cm in diameter
-3.5mm thick steel
-Weight 3.7kg including handle
-If the 3.5mm of steel is a high tensile strength and spaced correctly you will be able to stop 5.56 NATO and 45cal magnum rounds with this buckler.
*Titanium Tower Shield*
-100cm×70cm in Area
-3mm thick titanium
-Weight 10kg including handle
-If the 3mm of titanium is a high tensile strength and spaced correctly you will be able to stop 45cal magnum rounds and 5.56 NATO with this shield.
*Titanium Shield*
-50cm×70cm in Area
-3mm thick titanium
-Weight 5kg including handle
-If the 3mm of titanium is a high tensile strength and spaced correctly you will be able to stop 45cal magnum rounds and 5.56 NATO with this shield.
*Aluminium Shield*
-50cm×70cm in Area
-10mm thick Aluminium
-Weight 10kg including handle
-The tensile strength of aluminium varies a lot between regular aluminium and the 7000 series of aluminium. And that means you can make this shield just as effective as titanium.
*Steel Shield*
-50cm×70cm in Area
-3.5mm thick steel
-Weight 10kg including handle
-If the 3.5mm of steel is a high tensile strength and spaced correctly you will be able to stop 45cal magnum rounds and 5.56 NATO with this shield.
Lastly, the perfect thickness for bullet proof brigandine plates is 3.0mm or 4mm titanium. And you just try and find the highest tensile strength titanium you can and just use that thickness. In addition, I have also decided that if you get a 1mm thick aluminium face size plate you can shape it in to a horror face and then bolt it to your titanium helmet. As a result, you can have a full set of bullet proof brigandine armour with a horror face helmet. That is going to be terrifying with swords and bowling ball cannons. Finally, if your metal tensile strength is high enough you will be able to deflect or even completely proof yourself against 7.62 NATO bullets.
Table #2 Use of Formulas
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s = tensile strength in pascals (Pa)
F = force in newtons (N)
A = cross-sectional area in (m²)
m = bullet grain mass (kg)
a = acceleration of bullet (m/s²)
t = time of impact (seconds)
v = velocity (m/s)
*(m(v/t=a)=F)/s=A*
9mm bullet Force = (m(v/t=a)=F)
v/t=a
(430m/s)/(0.0024s)=179,167m/s²
ma=F
(0.0075kg)(179,167)=1344N
Aluminium tensile strength = 240MPa = 240000000Pa
F/s=A
(1344N)/(240000000)=5.6e-6m²
5.6e-6m² = 0.0000056m2 = 0.056cm² = 5.6mm²
Therefore, a 115 grain 9mm bullet traveling at 430m/s requires 5.6mm² of 240MPa Aluminium to block it.
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Bro, you really put work on this. Do you even work with something related to calculations, physic of materials or something related?
Best video on TH-cam for this topic
Metals with an aramid /fiber backing work relatively well together for pistol ammunition because when they deform/fragment , the fibers have an easyer time stopping them
Adding some ceriamic tile in front would help break up the bullet first 👍
I already have a nice idea for it!
I'm thinking for a full body armour suit make a medieval style gambeson out of soft Kevlar layers. Then make plate armour for shoulders, chest and back out of carbon fibre and Kevlar glued composites. Then make some titanium plates for shoulders and chest for extra protection which would glue onto the Carbon and Kevlar composite and finally spray it with high quality rubber bed liner.
Good luck!!!
Add a layer of steel equal or greater thickness to front.
How about testing 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10mm titanium?
What are the dimensions of the plates, and what do they weigh?
Also, could you test titanium against steel armor?
And how about testing with AK-47 and NATO M-4 and 7.62 rounds?
Exackly the kind of video I was looking for, only a minute and 53 seconds in and im already wishing you showed the shooting footage and wish you would have tested all the metals both flat and angled
How about 10mm Grade 5 Titanium and Grade 9 Titanium? Or just alloy mixed with stainless steel? or use layering techniques such as 3 layers of 3mm Titanium, 3mm Tungsten, and 3mm Titanium?
If you brought it on ebay it was probably fake. Grade 5 titanium is very expensive, and your tests show the titanium cracking. It is not a brittle alloy and it shouldn't crack or fracture but dent or scuff instead. If a bullet does penetrate it there should be a small, smooth hole instead of a fractured and cracked one like shown in the video.
May I suggest putting the 4mm infront of the 5.......if I correct if a round barely makes it through the 4mm it should be slow enough for the 5mm to stop it.....I may be wrong but its worth a try
Wait, you have our M1 rifles? And we have all your Mosin-Nagants... How did this happen. We should trade back.
Typical governments don’t care for their own weapons and sells them off to other country’s
Drzewacz888 Commercial Grade Titanium Grade-5 is too brittle try Grade-4 or another Ti based alloy.
Good luck.
Seeing these results I think there's no point in trying with a lower (softer) grade Ti. The advandage of using this grades of Ti is that you can heat treat them and obtain a much higher hardness. Would be interesting to see if a heat treated plate would just shatter on impact or make bullets bounce off it.
proper ballistic would be grade 38
Put something akin to grip tape or diamond dust/GLUE OR RESIN on top to cut the projectile, break it up so it deforms faster and vaporize it before the plate...
Nice idea, but cost to performance ratio of titanium plate as an armor is not ideal, unless light weight is an important factor. NM500 or AR500 steels are much cheaper for armor plates, but a plate of the same size that can stop the given caliber weighs more compared to titanium.
Oldie but goodie
Can you do a 6 mm grade 8 plate with high caliber rounds?
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We in America cannot get PPSH. I wish. Very nice gun. I have CZ 52 pistol. Some loads can reach 1900 fps. In future if possible state velocities if you can measure them. Mabe a chrongraph and test titanium against 30/30 150gr jsp and .223 55gr. ?
Good videos.
R Benson that is what I want to do next when I got some free time, but I'm very busy at the moment. I have everything I need but time.
Nice video. I'm curious if you added a small layer of Kevlar with about 10 mm of foam behind it if you could come up with a hybrid type of light weight armor ??
Know the approximate weights of each plate?
6.35mm by 300mm by 250mm. Steel Plate +-3.75kg / Titanium 2kg. The idea is to use a slightly thicker titanium plate because it weights 45% less but its 5% weaker.
A500 plates start at 6.35 mm which would be quite heavy. You would want to increase the thickness by 5% to match the strength making your titanium plate 6.67mm with a weight of 2.16kg.
Titanium of lighter than steel if that helps
Thanks for sharing this Titanium Tests.
Two Questions: 1) What was the distance from the gun
to the Titanium target ?
2) is it Titanium Grade 5 the same as Titanium 6AL-4V
alloy ?
Distance was about 10m, Grade 5 titanium is exactly as you said
Thank you for this info.
One More question: What would be more effective against
the 9 mm round, One Single Titanium 5 Plate of 4 mm or two
stacked 2mm Plates ?
Well, i don't know. I think 4mm would be stronger. 2mm plates should be glued together or something but the question is, what will happen after first hit. Will the plate separate because of impact force? Probably. than plates will move unless you keep them on some kind of kevlar pouch so they still close to each other. I will make a new test next week with 2mm Tungsten plate backed by titanium and aluminium. I think if you use 2 or 3mm Titanium plate and back it with 5mm aluminium plate it will be much stronger. Titanium will shatter the bullet and aluminium will not allow titanium to deform and crack.
I will use this idea to test Tungsten. I think the results will be similar to Titanium/aluminium configuration. Will see.
Thank you.
Experiment is always the veredict of Theories.
Please keep us posted on the results of this
Experiment.
Alright so i have a molle vest with level 3 soft armor, and i want to layer small 4" crescent moon shapes of this to be like scales, how practical do you think this is? I would manufacture it to have the hold drilled on the flat part, attached to the molle, with the next layer covering the holes where they attach, in an overlapping pattern, i would probably use the 4mm you mentioned, how much did you pay for each panel? And what kind of tool can cut this metal or am i looking at a plasma cutter?
Looked very brittle, may be too brittle. Was it full hard, that means cold rolled, non annealed? Have you ever tried martensitic steel for rollforming?
Can you get thicker plates? Like you would see in level III rifle plates?
I could but at the moment I have no access to rifle range.
Thanks for making this great testing video. I may have missed it, but what distance was each target from each firearm?
The regular distance used by armour companies is 10 feet / 305cm between the end of the barrel and the armour plate being tested. There are always tests done from 90 degrees (face on) to the target and varying angles to the target.
about 10m
@@Drzewacz888
Cheers. Are you sure it was 10 metres and not 10 feet, and are you sure you have genuine grade 5 titanium? From recollection of military tests, a .22 shouldn't do any damage to grade 5 titanium, of any of those thickness, if it's ten metres away (They actually only test for greater calibres). 6.3mm thick wouldn't sustain any damage from a .22 at 10 feet away, for example.
The .44mag from that long gun is throwing a huge amount of energy at that plate; approaching small rifle energy levels. With some treatment: curvature and/or kevlar/glass fiber laminate; you might just stop some rifle rounds like .223.
I know, but that was the only 44Mag gun i had available at that time. I will shoot it with Desert Eagle 44Mag in few weeks :) and see the difference.
Also, I will be shooting a laminate plate made of Tungsten+Titanium+Aluminium and Tungsten+Aluminium. I just need time to make it and shoot it.
Drzewacz888
Tungsten is too heavy I would think. If the plate is bigger or heavier than an AR500 plate it is kind of pointless.
I would think that some combo of UHMDPE/Titanium/Kevlar/Glass Fiber would be the ticket. Maybe consider thinner layers of grade 9 Ti sandwiched between composites.
I know it's heavy, but the purpose of my tests and videos is to test and see how strong certain materials are. My tungsten plates are 2mm thick, I had them made to order in china. Luckily for me, one company was kind enough to make them for me, 2mmx150mmx150mm plate cost me 65$. I got 2.
I will not shoot at the plate alone as its too thin, too hard (it might shatter) and too expensive, to just play with it alone. My idea is to glue few plates together, 2mm Tungsten in front backed by 3mm titanium plate backed by 5mm aluminium. 2nd plate will be 2mm Tungsten plate backed by 5 or 8mm aluminium to prevent deformation and shattering. I could wrap it all in some Kevlar 29 as i still have some left but it will take too much time. maybe next time.
But the idea of 3mm titanium backed by 10mm UHMDPE wrapped in Kevlar is in my head for some time now and i think it might be good. At least for something in IIIA class range i think.
The problem with thin titanium was that it was deforming in the point of impact and crack and that was the cause of penetration in my opinion.
If i can back titanium with some other material to prevent that, for example aluminium or UHMDPE, than even 3mm titanum might stop 44Mag! I hope. Maybe. Will see ;)
I will test that for sure as it is my conclusion from tests I've done here.
@C W how about full body armor
@C W so what you have first titanium then the kevlar then the mesh and how many mm will it be and weight?
10mm titan in ak-47.5.45 .7.72×39-svd7.62.54.
Combayning 5 mm titanium plate with soft body armor and in front of plate a multi layer ruber for catching the fragments, you are good for CQB... 😉
Still waiting for the speed comparison video.
So I’m super interested in having you make me 2 and I have somthing else I will add to it and I bet it can stop a 308
I would say to make the armor better is basically make lamellar armor out of titanium basically the over lapping layers would make it more durable and its flexible to it would make some good armor
Hy brother can you try titanium grade 38
At list 5 mm plate against AP round
I been doing some research on grade 38 titanium & that grade was originally ment for balistic armor. It is "easy" to forge and work on and can be heat treated to increase the strength and resiliency.
I'm sure 2.5mm to 3mm of heat treated at grade 38 titanium medieval plate armor can hold pretty well maybe around a level IIIA balistic or at least a level II+.
@@skatetrooper5285 Ive been looking into Ti 38 but I cant seam to find anything else besides others saying its ment for armor. Do you know where I can find specs?
Great information. Thx!:)
Thanks
The small cracks always seem to go in rolling direction. Just like it would in steel.
This looks thicker that 2 mm. Are you certain ths is metrics? Maybe it is an optic illusion?
Yes, I'm sure it's 2mm. That's what I bought.
to heat treat titanium you simple heat it up to temperature and set it on the anvil and let it cool titanium is an air hardening material real complex heat treating
What temp?
@@woodywes4093 1100 to 1300 degrees F for a period of 1 to 2 hours followed by air cooling
@@woodywes4093 1100 to 1300 degrees F for a period of 1 to 2 hours followed by air cooling
Really cool test!
better prevent fragments paint white thick rubber or bitum the plates
you need to put a ceramic plate on the titanium with give space of between them (ceramic on the top) and you get more powerfull armor with that technique
Hustý!
Wonder what would be good for rifle rounds like 5.56, .308, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, .223, or 30-60. I'm thinking what could stop these would stop pistol and shotgun rounds also.
Few years ago, before I made those videos I shot AP round 7,62x54r from mosin to 10mm titanium plate grade5. It made about 2mm chip/dent in it. That really how I got interested in making all the tests and videos.
@@Drzewacz888 Nice. The Mosin Nagant is a beast. I've shot only the Mauser 98k and The Bulgarian SKS from my dad's collection when we've gone shooting. I like the SKS personally.
DIY for personal Anti theft, carnaping, and small time street mugging with small arms.The vehicles body plus the 3mm I think is good enough for DIY vehicle door side panel. Then all you need is an armored glass. I think, but not sure if you can order a armored glass for regular civilian vehicle use from a company called RIDA armored glass I saw it at Utube. Actually I commented and suggesting that the company make a DIY kit for the public LEVEL 1 and 2 for civilian use only. That will not, of course stop a police round for legality issues. This civilian level is protection only for small time theft, road rage, vandalism, and car jacking. Really hope some armor company start selling this civilian armoring DIY kit that would protect a lot of civilian who only want extra protection on the public road specially road rage shooting and mugging is up while the armor company make millions on this civilian market. Any company out there listening???
if im planning to put 5 mm titanium on my car instead of The original metal on the outside of my car what kind oftast price are we talking? it is a (Volvo 740)
The skipper A lot! and you would have to upgrade suspension and brakes. Much better solution to make a car bulletproof is using a special Kevlar panels, they are much lighter and cheaper. don't do it anyway. If you have that much money buy second hand armoured car.
A cheaper option is S2 fiberglass. That's what they used in early composite armoured vehicles. But really, it's a buying a secondhand armoured car is better because there are so many nuances to the trade. It's not just about up-armouring the car, but also making sure it does not affect handling (which means strengthening chassis to take the weight, tuning, etc).
The skipper 88 because a 740 isn't indestructible already? ;)
Like 20 grand at least
You would probably be looking for cheap CP Titanium. The 5mm x 300mm x 25mm Plate weighting in at 2kg would cost any where from 35USD to 100USD. Although I have no idea where you would get titanium at the right price. I'm guessing you could TIG weld these plates.
2 mm Titanium on your car will only be slightly heavier that the 1 mm steal panels on your car. Although I have no idea how you would fabricate the titanium panels.
9:56 where do u live i live in alaska and u need a class 3 license and to even get a license you have to pay so much in taxes and get the chief of police to sign on a piece of paper and present why you need the license i probably forgot some of the other things you need to do
We live in the USA where Full auto is beraded with taxes bc the Democrats dont like our Freedom. Well guess what. We can still get it and its actually legal no matter what these cops enforce. Bc even in their constitution it says "do not infringe". It means you can't touch that Right even in the littlest to biggest Reason it cant be touched. But i dont care if its in the Constitution or not. I can have what i want no matter what they think.
are you coming back?
Yes mate, I have new video, I'll upload soon
@@Drzewacz8884 years later...
great video, exactly what i was looking for, realistic if i wanted instant this in my car, i wish for more extensive testing with higher caliber and thickness, thanks
Very interesting and usefull!
How far did you shoot them?
Kevlar titanium combo would perform quite well.
what u mean quite well u should say
extremely well
except for the titanium titanium is quite heavy
@@terabytegG5_but_og it's all about geometry and dimensions at the end of the day. And I think he actually tested Kevlar and titanium and didn't find it to be too effective. Kevlar needs a little bit of flex to work super well. Having a hard backing (I may be talking out of my ass here) may stiffen the Kevlar too much.
@@ThomasRonnberg ye
Where did you get the plates?
eBay
Drzewacz888 thanks
Can you tell me please titanium what type is weight
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i want to know the price of each plate can please you tell us
Check on eBay
How heavy? For 5mm
How much is 5 grained titanium
What kind of titanium alloy is this? TC4？
i suggest making a tiger 1 out of titanium.
What range where you from the target during this please
About 8-10 meters
The material for 5mm plate is Titanium, may I know the grade for this? Thanks in advance.
All are grade 5. its in the description :)
Need to go up to 7.62x39 and .556
Titanium metal supplier
How thick are the titanium plates
Where did you buy your plates at?
Can can you say the caliber instead of the gun
9mm - i mean 9x19mm
TT - 7,62x25mm
22 - .22 Long Rifle rimfire
M1 Carbine - .30
Kevin Golden guess u dont know anything about guns to ask that...
and what the bullets are made out of or reinforced with.
lipi most guns are offered in different calibers. at least for the TT it is a good Question.
Another guy on yt is using tyt plates 4 to around 10 mm the 10mm mm stops .50 ap woth no issues whike tthe 3 and 4mm plated stop 5.56 and 7.62 well
Can you link this video for me. I want to see it. Besides, less than 5mm think material is very thin, if you believe that it can stop rifle round than ok, I wouldn't put my life on it tho. Steel AR500 is much stronger than titanium grade 5, but it's also heavier. Steel plate in body armour usually is around 7mm thick so it's able to stop rifle rounds. Believe what you want but those are titanium plates.
I think he's talking about the Demolition Ranch video.
th-cam.com/video/C3fBkNIROg4/w-d-xo.html
Titanium is a gimmick unless it's for vehicle armour, or somewhere where corrosion is an issue (the sea). There's simply too much bulk required to achieve the same level of protection as steel.
Fucking what?
Jacob Keary, there's certainly shoot test for titanium plates, but they are no where near as thin as he state. He's probably very confused...and wrote 3cm as 3mm.
What is the exact weight of each plate?
Put a steel plate to back it
How far away did you shoot it from
Jacob Keary about 10m
Can you test the 5 mm sheet whit a kalashnicov rifle ?
I could but my bet is that it will go through it. Rifle rounds are much stronger than pistol rounds. For AK o would go with min 7mm but that's an educated guess.
Are you sure thats grade 5?
China plate
@@aimless3827 that's when we're going to buy stuff like this or important tools don't ever get anything made from China. I had a guy that works on the steel company and it was telling me Chinese Steel is terrible, I mean it's almost like iron.
If you buy Chinese steel the first few sheets are actually steel with a good amount of impurities it makes it overall little weaker, and the rest are like almost mild steel or iron.
If anybody's going to buy things like this in this case titanium sheets get either American-made, European made, or Japanese made or canadian-made and that's it.
Need to watch this at least 1.5x speed... feel drawn out and slow speech rate. Cheers
What type of .44 bullet did you use in lever action rifle
Half jacket soft point, 240grain. I believe it was Mag Tech.
@@Drzewacz888 How much joules do you think(shot by lever action rifle)
@@徐丞緯-j6b long barrel give a lot of speed so... A lot of jules
Нужны сплавы как в советской броне. You need not clear titanium, alloy like USSR "БТ14".
Jak sie masz, Tomek from Colorado
4mm of a good quality steel as 4340 440c probably works better
B Souza maybe, but it's heavier. I really wanted to see how strong titanium grade 5 is.
Yes but it probably weighs 10 lbs.
@@Drzewacz888 How far did you shoot these plates?
@@skatetrooper5285 about 7 to 10m away
@@Drzewacz888 oh wow that's really close
Do reviews from your weapons please.
what do you mean
What does tt mean??
TT mean Tokarev TT-33
Kevin Golden omg are u 4 reall
Google it.....
I believe Grade 4 would been much better than Grade 5.
Maybe. Why is that?
Maybe,you test it?
Where did you buy your titanium plate from?
eBay :)
@@Drzewacz888 knarly thanks man 👍
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Try to make a video using a AR15 .
I'm going to make 1
Maybe grade 5 titanium is to hard !?
It seems like it and also depends how far he was shooting. It's going to use any forms of metal or in this case especially titanium as armor I recommend green 38. Great 38 titanium was originally designed for ballistic protection.
You could also harden a great 38 and grade 5 to increase their strength.
Show your weapons, i only know weapons from North America, i'm from Mexico,
in America they have everything. My guns are : CZ 75 tactical sport Orange, glock19, Tokarev TT33, Ruger Mk2. You can find plenty of reviews on YT.
Drzewacz888 Thank you.
That is fake it would should stop pistol rounds with just 2mm
Nice test, how ever i m sorry to tell you that u Do not consider the chemical and phisical properties of titanium, the problem of this material is that under 1 cm thickness is break easily under thensile force
That's why I did the tests my friend
you should shoot titanium 85
titanium 85?
I believe their talking about ATI 425. Its an titanium alloy that is used by the military for a number of things.
That's soft titanium go on hard
you have the rong Titanium; take TI6R5 and you will see that by a 2 mm plate 9 mm is noth enough anymore!
Did u just say FAKE titanium ???
Show actual shot.
did not filmed it, but be assured i did it with a gun not a finger ;)
@@Drzewacz888 That's it...People do not want to see the "after" result without seeing the actual event. There is no verification of the event other than a mere "this happened "...
You constructively both give the viewers the finger while saying "just believe me"...
@@nramember.2nd I understand, but I was not filming it.
Ты не с России случаем
Bardzo polski nick :d
It's not titanium
Why dear,it's really titanium
sorry dude my other studies say that you have steel and not titanium .
blisterj Weight of the plates says it's titanium. They are much lighter than steel. Why do you think they are steel?
I dont think its grade 5 tho, that .22 did too much damage
in demo ranch channel we can see that a 1.5 inch grade 1 titanium plate can stop up to a .50 bmg ap round. I think they might have sold you some hardened alluminium alloys.
You can test it out by heating it with a propane torch in one corner and see how easily it bends. if it's true grade 5 you should have a little hard time bending it.
How much did you pay?
you need to heat it and work it several hour to make it stronger. this un worked plates doesn`t work to be breast plates.
How heavey is that Plate??? Th, 5mm=0.1968504 X L1000mm 39.37008 X W360mm=14.17323
What does it weigh???
What does it weigh???