Cape Town: A City On The Edge (World's Toughest Towns) | Real Stories

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  • Donal is in a city on the edge, somewhere a conflict can occur without warning. A place where violent crime is nearly three times the national average and where anyone can get caught in the mayhem. He's in South Africa to visit one of the World's Toughest Towns
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  • @MYU214
    @MYU214 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +681

    Apartheid ended 30 years a go, its no excuse anymore. Bheki Cele, the police minister is to blame alongside the ANC government.

    • @samoday2992
      @samoday2992 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

      Way less crime during apartheid. Many want it back including the coloureds .

    • @Davidfooterman
      @Davidfooterman 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Was there way less or was it relatively more confined to certain localities from which it wasn’t reported?

    • @mjb6839
      @mjb6839 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      30 years wasn’t that long ago.. the effects of events like that don’t just disappear over night.

    • @workingman7587
      @workingman7587 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      @@mjb6839 seriously… people are idiots

    • @chloeew4627
      @chloeew4627 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      107 cops killed in 1 year has nothing to do with past history mate. It’s fugging culture ..

  • @zuleigahanslip7689
    @zuleigahanslip7689 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +153

    I live in Cape Town. 80 murders per day. I have been a victim of crime a few times. You get robbed on the trains too. I never go out anymore.

    • @pipipupu5104
      @pipipupu5104 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who's doing the murders white people or black people

    • @Cornerkid82
      @Cornerkid82 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      80 murders per day is impossible, that means close to 30 000 murders a year in a single city

    • @zuleigahanslip7689
      @zuleigahanslip7689 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@Cornerkid82 80 murders per day in the entire South Africa.

    • @Cornerkid82
      @Cornerkid82 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@zuleigahanslip7689 the way you phrased it, you made it seem it was only in Cape town

    • @lumailisa
      @lumailisa 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      I was warned never to get on the trains in Cape Town.

  • @renierbuys7636
    @renierbuys7636 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +292

    If you think Capetown is bad you should do a video on Johannesburg..

    • @bob-zi1eb
      @bob-zi1eb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      If you think Johannesburg is bad you should do a video on Tijuana.

    • @niomisingh8871
      @niomisingh8871 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@bob-zi1eb😂

    • @melg1329
      @melg1329 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@niomisingh8871 I giggled at all three, responses🤭.

    • @ingamgoduka57
      @ingamgoduka57 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      Johannesburg has way less murders than Cape Town but more robberies.

    • @PaulineXCX
      @PaulineXCX 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree it is a match for CT

  • @nobody687
    @nobody687 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +266

    Went from 500 murders nation wide per year to 3,000 a year in just one city. Wouldn't blame the past for what's happening now. That's just scape goating

    • @just_juice
      @just_juice 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As if the Apartheid government counted the many blacks(terrorists) it killed. Whether by hanging, assassinations or the many excursions in the townships. Not to mention how they armed the IFP...

    • @jdosvd
      @jdosvd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Sad. Prayers. Jesus have mercy.

    • @thelionofjudah007
      @thelionofjudah007 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      The past has a lot to do with it. You can’t just look at present only and pretend the majority haven’t been handicapped generationally by apartheid.

    • @nobody687
      @nobody687 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @thelionofjudah007 it's been long enough. Yes, you can. Making excuses is the way of the weak minded. If you don't start now, you will never break the culture of victimhood

    • @thelionofjudah007
      @thelionofjudah007 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nobody687 I was waiting for you to mention the word ‘victimhood’, it’s what every colonisers and victimisers say. Yes the Black South Africans were victimised. You whiteys don’t like the past to be mentioned unless it’s about you. It’s no coincident that the minority still hold the economic power even up till today. This the only mistake Mandela made - he got political power but fail to get economical power.

  • @noorduminy2809
    @noorduminy2809 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +306

    The problem we face in South Africa is that criminals have more rights than civilians. And even when you defend yourself you as the victim can be convicted

    • @talon1706
      @talon1706 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      It's similar in the U.S and Canada.

    • @Davidfooterman
      @Davidfooterman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ‘Victims’ wrongs’, you might say!

    • @MorrissDeroos
      @MorrissDeroos 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @talon1706 not really in US it's similar jn Australia

    • @michaeldewing1904
      @michaeldewing1904 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What are you talking about.?! If it’s a legal shooting you can’t be prosecuted for anything.. the FCA is very clear on what’s required for lethal force to be justified.. if you are being prosecuted then you did something wrong, and that will happen to anyone in any part of the world..

    • @noorduminy2809
      @noorduminy2809 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@michaeldewing1904 in South Africa you need to be very specific with the term legal.

  • @janmale7767
    @janmale7767 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    Your'e a British national, you don't really comprehend the history of this country, to say this chaos is the 'legacy' of apartheid is quit the opposite of the truth! Apartheid kept this chaos at bay! There was law and order during the apartheid era, the cities were clean and things worked!

    • @NoahBodze
      @NoahBodze หลายเดือนก่อน

      The same lies are told about white Americans in the south. Look at blacks now and tell me they just suddenly got this violent.
      They’ve always been like this.

    • @paulmcallister8948
      @paulmcallister8948 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He's Irish actually!!!! 😳🥺

  • @alphaza76
    @alphaza76 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

    This video was filmed in 2008. Its unfortunately a lot worse now.

    • @TuxedoPanther
      @TuxedoPanther 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Thanks, I thought so, by the video quality.

    • @cig35661
      @cig35661 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      1000 times worse in 2024

    • @lukesmith3283
      @lukesmith3283 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Wow that’s insane

    • @lukesmith3283
      @lukesmith3283 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Is it still a tourist attraction? I find it hard to believe anybody would want to go there if there’s multiple people dying every day?

    • @taariqkhanoflegend4622
      @taariqkhanoflegend4622 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah lol I was just wondering, looks like it came out in apartheid.

  • @sff3658
    @sff3658 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +182

    I absolutely hate it when everything is bcoz of apartheid! I’m an expat I left to get away from the crime too many things happened to me and my family including the death of my one sister I lived in constant fear! Things got bad bcoz the current leaders are corrupt and rob all government run business that in turn makes the criminals think they can also do it, especially when one of the leaders told people to just take what they want, but with violence! It took me a good 10 years before I could relax I’ve been in the UK for 20 years and still wake up by the slightest noises! It’s not the UK fault it’s the legacy from living in South Africa once the ANC got power!

    • @shsh-he5qg
      @shsh-he5qg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Ah so before the anc, life must have been great for you guys yes ?😂😂😂
      Funny how when you were in a apartheid regime you were good but when that finished you ran away

    • @sff3658
      @sff3658 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@shsh-he5qg yes I did so that my children and I were safe! You have no knowledge of what we went through because of the crime so I suggest you keep your sarcasm to yourself!

    • @bob-zi1eb
      @bob-zi1eb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@sff3658 Compared to Mexico. Crime in South Africa is not that bad.

    • @thestratman7903
      @thestratman7903 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're right, Mexico is a shithole now.@@bob-zi1eb

    • @rustenburghhb5281
      @rustenburghhb5281 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@shsh-he5qg Eisch wena... vote ANC again né.

  • @cccmmm1234
    @cccmmm1234 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I know a guy who was carjacked in the airport. He hadn't been in the country more than 15 minutes. The car rental people shrugged their shoulders and handed him another car.

    • @tt67791
      @tt67791 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ahahahha no way

  • @wilmarievisser9711
    @wilmarievisser9711 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    My daughter, her grandmother and two others got robbed at knifepoint in houtbay cemetery yesterday. My sis and her husband smash and grab near tableview Dunoon side. It's not safe anymore

    • @jen8063
      @jen8063 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      How terrifying...my brother and sister-in-law were recently attacked on a farm as I was before I came to the UK 20 years ago. There's no explaining that to anyone and if you're white it's met with a you-got-what-you-deserved from 99.9% of brits.
      The propaganda is incredible.
      I hope your family are getting counselling of some sort❤️

    • @HorseloverFat-ss3ff
      @HorseloverFat-ss3ff หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jen8063 And our corrupt media has told no-one about the 40,000 murdered white farmers.

  • @charlotteduplessis4368
    @charlotteduplessis4368 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    I am from Cape Town and this video was made many years ago.

    • @KashflowTube
      @KashflowTube 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I'm quite surprised at the level of disinformation in this documentary. Some of the information is relevant, but most is distorted, which makes me wonder how many videos on this holds any once of water.

    • @MorrissDeroos
      @MorrissDeroos 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Whats the situasie now? I want to visit.

    • @almariepilgrim9099
      @almariepilgrim9099 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same thoughts. There’s even electricity which is quite rare with all the loadshedding

    • @gracerosegouvias1249
      @gracerosegouvias1249 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@MorrissDeroos it's the best city for tourists

    • @OneStilettoAtATime
      @OneStilettoAtATime 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I'm watching this now and kept increasing my resolution. I wondered why everyone they interviewed looked "dated". So it is incredibly misleading.

  • @JE4-1
    @JE4-1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +134

    I am from South Africa, I can tell you that there are many beautiful, wonderful parts of the country. but currently what is happening in this documentary is real. Definitely too frightening for many lifelong residents to go near.I only go there if I don't have a choice.

    • @bob-zi1eb
      @bob-zi1eb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Compared to Mexico I think the crime in South Africa is overrated. In towns like Tijuna multiple beheaded bodies including murdered police officers are dumped in the street on a regular basis.

    • @TheTrillionDollarTradeMovie
      @TheTrillionDollarTradeMovie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      What a comment dude @@bob-zi1eb what does this have to do with mexico, its about south africa

    • @Mathilda5xp
      @Mathilda5xp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@TheTrillionDollarTradeMovie The commentator said that Cape Town was the most dangerous city in the world. The world rating placed Mexico first.

    • @TheTrillionDollarTradeMovie
      @TheTrillionDollarTradeMovie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@Mathilda5xp I see, thanks. Yet, Im pretty sure the channel knew what he was talking about though. Very sad for the rainbow nation.

    • @vsksf
      @vsksf 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      MaY I ask, do you agree with his statement that todays culture of violence is purely down to apartheid of 40 years ago.??
      Personally, I would call it BS.. but Im not from SA

  • @englishmenintown8622
    @englishmenintown8622 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    If i had to speak the truth here i would get kicked off TH-cam. ....
    We all know the truth.

    • @samoday2992
      @samoday2992 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I say it.

    • @Peeta-wn4hh
      @Peeta-wn4hh 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m not from SA. What is the “truth”?

    • @robinwalton-gm5ms
      @robinwalton-gm5ms 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The locals have gone native, that is the truth that the rest of the World doesn't want to know.

    • @englishmenintown8622
      @englishmenintown8622 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@robinwalton-gm5ms my surname is also Walton .... just saw your surname and had to comment on it

    • @2esquared
      @2esquared 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Exactly. It's a ...... one particular colour problem.....

  • @ThoughtfulThinker60
    @ThoughtfulThinker60 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    And another thing is it's time for Africa to take a long look at their own cultures and make a decision to stop blaming the past or other cultures and to look at how their own cultures are failing to support ordinary citizens who deserve better. Most politicians and leaders in Africa use their position to enrich themselves with the result that the lives of ordinary citizens are considered cheap and pointless. Africa needs to get its act together and stop waiting for some other culture to sort it out for them. Africa needs to sort out Africa and Africans .

    • @eastbaykidd8574
      @eastbaykidd8574 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Black run cities in the US need to so the same thing.

    • @jimmycook842
      @jimmycook842 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Africa is cursed

    • @malcolmmanguvhewa
      @malcolmmanguvhewa 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You mean stop blaming the "500 years "of been controlled like dogs by racist...can't be compared with 27 years of democracy...on ontop of that these racist still own 90% of S.A worth on theirs hands

  • @Macedonia270
    @Macedonia270 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    The high level of crime in South Africa is not a RESULT of apartheid... Apartheid was an attempt to stop this level of crime from taking over South Africa....

    • @Mathilda5xp
      @Mathilda5xp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rubbish! District 6 was one of the safest places, until the Apartheid Government dumped people of colour in those horrible Townships, after they were forcefully removed from their safe homes.

    • @annettemattheyse2460
      @annettemattheyse2460 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Try and explain that to the political do gooders...

    • @Mathilda5xp
      @Mathilda5xp 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lies! You should do your research to find out how people of colour were moved out of District 6 by the Apartheid Government!. I can assure you, that you will cry for days on end.

    • @dikeledimothiba65
      @dikeledimothiba65 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Exactly why neither party is better between the discriminatory one and this corrupt one. Both epic fails.

    • @Macedonia270
      @Macedonia270 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dikeledimothiba65 Exactly my friend. We are totally screwed... ALL politicians are evil, corrupt, stupid, lazy, arrogant and greedy...

  • @inog3633
    @inog3633 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I lived in Cape Town for over a decade. Beautiful city and I am grateful not to have been a victim of crime....but many people were affect. Always lived in fear. Something needs to be done. With real leadership, it can change.

    • @tombimashri8149
      @tombimashri8149 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      GAYTON MCKENZIE IS THE NAN TO STOP IT

  • @thedistinguishedpeasant48
    @thedistinguishedpeasant48 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    What a pity. Cape Town is breathtaking.

  • @adeptiotsolutions3644
    @adeptiotsolutions3644 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Thank you ANC

  • @Hati321
    @Hati321 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +109

    You use the word "black" very loosely. According to current South African legislation, most people in the Cape flats are classified in a minority group and discrimination is mandated against them by a plethora of racist laws. Not as badly as against white South Africans, but still. The ANC vowed to end Apartheid and transform the country, but instead they transformed Apartheid and ended the country.

    • @bob-zi1eb
      @bob-zi1eb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      White South Africans are discriminated against? Can you elaborate on that please.

    • @Hati321
      @Hati321 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@bob-zi1eb I can't give you an exhaustive list, because there are dozens of racist laws at present in South Africa. Far more than under Apartheid. The laws divide South Africans into a number of racial groups, namely "black" (the bantu majority), "couloured" (first nations and mixed raced individuals, people of Asian descent and "white" people. The laws favour the majority and disadvantages minorities when it comes to getting jobs in the public sector, the private sector. Minorities also are disadvantaged when tendering for government contracts and in some cases are disqualified outright. Water licences also have to be allocated in a discriminatory way. There are many many more. If you google it, you should be able to find an exhaustive list quite easily.

    • @maggie81180
      @maggie81180 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      ​@@bob-zi1eb I will love to elaborate on that. How about racist water license allocations being imposed on white-owned farms. If you do not hand over 51% or more of your farm to a black South African, you lose your rights to a water license. Note that this impacts the entire country's food security.
      The ANC government have bought over 6072 productive farms since 2009 in their Proactive Land Acquisition Scheme in which these farms, bought from white farmers at below market prices, were to be leased to black farmers who were to be trained by the Department of Agriculture. Today 43% of these farms are found in some degree of degradation, while 7% are completely fallow. 53% show signs of overgrazing and soil erosion. The Department's agricultural colleges are underfunded, equipment is broken and outdated, the animals in their care malnourished and graduates remain unemployable.
      That is just one example of what white South Africans face.

    • @rebeccabroadway9874
      @rebeccabroadway9874 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Hati321 Liefie, get over it...move on. There are so many opportunities here.

    • @Hati321
      @Hati321 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@rebeccabroadway9874 Well, you sound lovely. Also, I'll have some of whatever it is you're smoking.

  • @capet5593
    @capet5593 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    Johannesburg is even worse than Cape Town. Please make a video on Johannesburg.

    • @NathanZar
      @NathanZar 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Dont lie.

    • @WalterWhite-bc8ck
      @WalterWhite-bc8ck 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      😂😂😂 lie for sure

    • @Samo-cb8tj
      @Samo-cb8tj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Joburg is worse

  • @seamus9750
    @seamus9750 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +88

    As an Irish man living in glorious Cape Town....I'd rather be over here than over there!!!

    • @zeddyteddy3729
      @zeddyteddy3729 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      I'm from Tyrone. Worked in Joburg. I stayed 6mos. The crime is at a apocalyptic level. You are putting your life in mortal danger going to and leaving the work site.

    • @bob-zi1eb
      @bob-zi1eb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zeddyteddy3729 Stop over exaggerating. Move to Mexico. Cartels grab their rivals off the street and then cut their faces off. It sounds ridiculous but it is really happening there. There is a famous video of a young cartel hit woman slowly decapitating a los zetas member with a machete. It's a level of violence that no one other than ISIS comes close to.
      Crime in south africa is really bad. Compared to what's occurring in Mexico it's a picnic. Stop being snowflakes.

    • @rebeccabroadway9874
      @rebeccabroadway9874 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@zeddyteddy3729 Jburg is 1100 km away and governed by the ANC its a whole different place.

    • @stephentatton9953
      @stephentatton9953 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Seems the footage is really old

    • @nwaideniyi2371
      @nwaideniyi2371 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I live in omagh from South Africa 😂

  • @moirahaarhoff5286
    @moirahaarhoff5286 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    It's difficult to believe that anyone from the UK can be quite as innocent as this man. We used to live in Durban and moved to England in 2018. How it has changed! Within a month the shop at road level had been robbed at night by men carrying AK47s, in our very building! In a small town/big village. The UK has drug issues, loads of knife crime and a thriving black market. Rough sleepers are everywhere in the cities and tons of illegal immigrants arrive from France in good weather.

    • @easy1355
      @easy1355 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Yes, I agree, but you can't argue with statistical figures, it's still much much safer in the UK. We travel to Cape Town every year and love it, but as a Brit would I move there, yes, if I had a gated home on a gated estate with Security. See the difference. Power, crime, political instability, corruption, I hate what has happened to my Favourite City/Country in the world.

    • @lionheart9692
      @lionheart9692 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@easy1355thats no way to live, that's just a glorified prison.

    • @easy1355
      @easy1355 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@lionheart9692 South Africa is not that bad…

    • @truth-Hurts375
      @truth-Hurts375 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Meet Stupid...You should have done your homework before moving to the UK!!!!

    • @airtimedroneguy6449
      @airtimedroneguy6449 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We all know the end of apartheid opened the door to what's happening now.

  • @ericedudzi6267
    @ericedudzi6267 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    My country Ghana 🇬🇭 is heaven.........never in my 35 years, I've seen anything like this , have lived in Accra all this years.

    • @QuaidSchieman-yy7kh
      @QuaidSchieman-yy7kh 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      But your country is a village😂😂south still the best in Africa by very far

    • @ericedudzi6267
      @ericedudzi6267 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      @QuaidSchieman-yy7kh I love my village that gives me peace of mind.

    • @2nerC9
      @2nerC9 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@ericedudzi6267 Good for you man great to hear a contempt person

    • @latrinemarine826
      @latrinemarine826 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I’m over here in the States. My cousin in law is married to a man from Ghana. Very nice guy! I like Ghana!

    • @ericedudzi6267
      @ericedudzi6267 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @latrinemarine826 Ghanaians are very nice and calm people. You try and come and visit Ghana 🇬🇭 someday . You will love it.

  • @useall7665
    @useall7665 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    The rot starts at the top.

  • @elizabethshannon24
    @elizabethshannon24 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I lived in Cape Town from 1979 till 1991. In 1981 I lived in Claremont (the Southern Suburbs which was English speaking) and slept with my ground floor window open. Imagine that!

    • @Icebartelby
      @Icebartelby 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We lived in Stanley Rd near villages ruby ground until 1980 when our family left, some of the best days with great friends I'm just sad about everything that has happened over there❤️ from a fellow ex Claremontonian

    • @Mo-yd8xc
      @Mo-yd8xc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Was The Group Areas Act in place then?

    • @elizabethshannon24
      @elizabethshannon24 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Mo-yd8xc There were no black or coloured people living in the Southern Suburbs at that time (as far as I am aware). There were designated areas for black people and coloured people in the townships, e.g. Langa, Guguletu, Kayalitsha, Crossroads, Atlanta and Grassy Park. Sadly, it was during that time that the government forcibly removed all black and coloured people out of District Six which was adjacent to the city and where all races coexisted quite happily. District Six was then turned into a low cost housing white area. To buy a house one needed a deposit of only three thousand rand. I refused to participate in the scheme. They moved all the District Six inhabitants to Atlanta (Cape Flats) where there is nothing but sand and today Atlanta is the most dangerous place to live in the Cape Town area. I went to all the places I have mentioned and they were appalling, impoverished; you could see the despair on people's faces. It was very shocking.

    • @Real.Adonis
      @Real.Adonis 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I want to move to Cape Town is it better now?😅

    • @elizabethshannon24
      @elizabethshannon24 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Real.Adonis The murder rate in Cape Town has made South Africa the murder capitol of the world. There are grave shortages of electricity which means traffic lights stop working, your home is in darkness for long periods, businesses cannot operate smoothly and there is inflation. Before you go and live anywhere do your homework - find out as much as you can about the place. I won't be going back for any reason you can give me and my two adult sons don't want to go back either. They grew up there.

  • @TrueCrimeAmerica
    @TrueCrimeAmerica 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    @RealStories I love real crime documentaries! Your channel is fantastic. I have liked and subscribed! Keep going with the killer pro content!

  • @mercourisfanbase
    @mercourisfanbase 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    still blaming apartheid after 30 years!

  • @ibnewton8951
    @ibnewton8951 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

    Bring back the Death Penalty in South Africa *NOW!*

    • @ElsjeMassyn
      @ElsjeMassyn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That is what one of our greatest athletes - Oscar Pistorius also said. Until he killed his own girlfriend and ended behind bars for years. If the death penalty was still in tact, he would have been sent to death.
      So be careful what you say

    • @robg1358
      @robg1358 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You know the Uk must really be a crap hole if all their citizens all moving to South Africa and America as an upgrade and as expats. Insanity

    • @Mathilda5xp
      @Mathilda5xp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @robg1358 And they immigrate in large numbers to New Zealand too, but this guy never does Real crime documentaries on the UK. Cape Town is not as dangerous as he makes it out to be. Crime is only rife in certain suburbs. It would be much wiser if he mentions those suburbs to make the visitors and citizens aware of how dangerous those area are.

    • @Heru_Iluvatar
      @Heru_Iluvatar 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Psychopath

  • @jasoncutshaw8401
    @jasoncutshaw8401 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    No matter what weapon,a rock,a gun,a sword or a stick Humans have always hurt one another..

    • @jg5875
      @jg5875 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Certain humans cause more violence.

  • @CH-vm6cq
    @CH-vm6cq 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    When was this filmed? It looks so dated.

    • @vmat6684
      @vmat6684 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I remember watching it on UK Chanel 4 about 20 years ago

    • @michaeldewing1904
      @michaeldewing1904 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah it’s really old.. those salt and pepper shakers were demolished years ago, and suburban guns doesn’t look anything like that anymore..

  • @davidmeale9572
    @davidmeale9572 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It's a shame that these programme makers think it's good to drown out the dialogue with loud noise.

  • @thestratman7903
    @thestratman7903 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    That fog dispersion unit needs to be implemented in every store in the US!!!! I think claymores would be better for anti-theft, but I bet that'd be frowned upon.

    • @jabumngadi9956
      @jabumngadi9956 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It will probably damage your store as well.

  • @alanle1471
    @alanle1471 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    To the ANC(SA government), whatever you do, don’t take responsibility for your actions, blame it on Apartheid which ended over 30 years ago.

    • @bonolomakgatadeluent3150
      @bonolomakgatadeluent3150 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      +500 years of oppression won't be undone in 30 years

    • @oraz.
      @oraz. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is blaming it on a political party that different?

    • @SpencerCourtis
      @SpencerCourtis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Abhorrent and Shocking - The Root of South Africa's Problem
      You don't get bad children, you get bad parents - let me state:
      South Africa's root of the problem is the consultation of the demonic realm commonly referred to as the ancestors and this demonic consultation takes place from the top level of our national government and down.
      Which means ...just who is guiding our nation and the inevitable deep pit we find ourselves in?

  • @skullcompco
    @skullcompco 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Great to see the ANC have developed the country so well! wait till melema gets to be president.....you ain't seen nothing yet

  • @user-jd3dr2ly5j
    @user-jd3dr2ly5j 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    very impressive and instructive footage.

  • @Clone011
    @Clone011 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brilliant documentary

  • @CeravvvEgan
    @CeravvvEgan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I’m from Cape Town and I love the place and the people. The government let the citizens of South Africa down.

    • @mohsinjoe8617
      @mohsinjoe8617 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Time to vote them out next month!

    • @jg5875
      @jg5875 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s not just the government.

  • @SHYguy701
    @SHYguy701 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    😂😂talks about the “most feared crime boss in the city” next minute the “most feared crime boss in the city” is gunned down 😂😂 THANX CAPETOWN❤❤❤❤

  • @andrewworrall4302
    @andrewworrall4302 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great job. Its so sad

  • @phillipward2741
    @phillipward2741 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    Nelson Mandela should be thanked for this. He promised equality a better living standards.. he delivered nothing. The slums still exist

    • @williamwilson6359
      @williamwilson6359 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jen8063 what happens?

    • @jen8063
      @jen8063 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He created them

    • @kriyaad1
      @kriyaad1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just leave bro you don't need that in your life

    • @crescentmono3344
      @crescentmono3344 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Politicians, power hungry rats

  • @carlmichael29
    @carlmichael29 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It's no wonder why the Western Cape wants to break away from the rest of South Africa. Maybe being their own country (or with more governing authority at least) they can finally do something about crime. Something that I don't think will happen under the current South African government.

    • @prettisibbs2176
      @prettisibbs2176 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The average indigenous Black South African doesn’t want to break away. South Africa is one nation just like Africa is one nation amidst the Berlin Conference borders.

  • @Andrew_Tate_Personal
    @Andrew_Tate_Personal 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I live in Cape town, I carry a dummy phone and fake notes just to hand to the robbers.
    Worked twice before when getting a gun put to my head.
    ❤ 🇿🇦

  • @mogamedfakier3592
    @mogamedfakier3592 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm from the Cape Flats this video is very old ,crime has quadrupled since then

  • @luzukombane
    @luzukombane 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I like how the grannies hit that accelerator 30:46

    • @nolenedasilva6413
      @nolenedasilva6413 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂 the culture there is “if it doesn’t spin, I won’t buy it” They also prefer manual gearbox cars than automatic cars

  • @ipilot320
    @ipilot320 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Well done, you did an entire documentary on Cape Town without using the word “coloured”.

  • @Romeo007sm
    @Romeo007sm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The crazy thing is I came from watching a video of Orania into this video.. what a difference.

  • @ingridluyt7538
    @ingridluyt7538 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Grew up there. Man , that was really living. Apparently it took apartheid to make it safe.
    Wouldn't move back there if you paid me.

  • @auntyshakira747
    @auntyshakira747 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The Mother thought that was her only option. So tragic. I know the pressure family member can put on you to get their fix. I hope I would not do what the mum did , but in self defense emergency situation, well

    • @SpencerCourtis
      @SpencerCourtis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Abhorrent and Shocking - The Root of South Africa's Problem
      You don't get bad children, you get bad parents - let me state:
      South Africa's root of the problem is the consultation of the demonic realm commonly referred to as the ancestors and this demonic consultation takes place from the top level of our national government and down.
      Which means ...just who is guiding our nation and the inevitable deep pit we find ourselves in?

  • @user-yd3et5er9j
    @user-yd3et5er9j 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As soon as the apocalypse have cleared out the mess I'm moving there. Climate& landscape looks awesome

  • @randalllake2785
    @randalllake2785 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    So very glad I LIVED in Rondabosch in 1970 . What wonderful people and what a gem of a city. Unforgettable. Thank you for this documentary.

  • @MusehanaH
    @MusehanaH 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    That makes for a great Hollywood movie...It is so good that even Hollywood does not come close...the police sirens do make for a dramatic effect. Well produced movie. You should do one highlighting the rampant pickpocketing, random stabbings and out of control gangs in Europe.

  • @verityowens9638
    @verityowens9638 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I feel sorry for mama that unlived her son. I can understand why she done it.When they are drug addicts they are no longer the child you know .

  • @FordPrefect-tr8fb
    @FordPrefect-tr8fb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Kinda like Detroit or Baltimore... I wonder what the connection could be?!

    • @wandredemendonca9482
      @wandredemendonca9482 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Huge inequality? No other country in Africa has crime rates as high as SA’s

    • @FordPrefect-tr8fb
      @FordPrefect-tr8fb 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wandredemendonca9482 Oh, look! A parrot parroting what it's been brainwashed to Parrot! How about that.

  • @cocobunitacobuni8738
    @cocobunitacobuni8738 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My late mother in law got pistol whipped (needed stitches) and my brother in law had a gun against his head in their living room (Johannesburg). She had Parkinson's and couldn't even stand up off the couch by herself back then. They stole a TV screen and a button cellphone. This was behind a 2 meter motor gate and a security gate (no challenge for a pick axe). Glad to have left South Africa and would die rather than go back.

  • @j.dunlop8295
    @j.dunlop8295 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Number one and two cities with highest murder rates, are in South Africa? ANC, is in charge, so who's responsible?

  • @lindaphillips545
    @lindaphillips545 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    It’s NOT easy to buy a gun LEGALLY in SA. Citizens have to jump through many hoops and usually get turned down. You not allowed to use self defence as a motivation to own a gun.

    • @thevoicewithin930
      @thevoicewithin930 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This is false information. Every South African citizen is lawfully permitted to apply for a section 13 self-defence firearm licence. The legal requirements for application and ownership are stringent, and rightfully so, but not beyond the grasp of ordinary law-abiding people. Most licences do in fact get approved, if the requirements are met, within 3-4 months. Once your licence is approved, you may collect your firearm from your local gunshop. The onus is then on the lawfully licenced owner to get as much training as possible, to be a safe and responsible firearm owner.

    • @lindaphillips545
      @lindaphillips545 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My brother in law passed his gun competency test and then applied for a gun lisence. He has no criminal past, no mental issues, his neighbours were happy to sign affidavits of approval and still he got turned down. Twice. The police told him he cannot use the motive “self defence” as a reason on his form to own a gun. I guess as usual, it’s Different strokes for different folks. He had to sell his gun which the gun shop had in safe keeping for him until he got a lisence

  • @berylackermann8240
    @berylackermann8240 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I lived in JHB and moved back go to Cape Town because of the crime in JHB and Pretoia and else where.

  • @butlersracing7692
    @butlersracing7692 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm born and bread in South Africa.... At 44 years I have lived in all 3 main provinces and seen so much abomination and evil I dare not say here. It's been such along time since apartheid so hearing that word makes sore from the sheer sillyness and rather yawn. However we choose to stay here and always expect the unexpected and pack hard arms in order to protect family and friends. Otherwise it's absolutely beautiful 😊

  • @planetfocus911
    @planetfocus911 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    South Africa has become a slaughterhouse of humans, with 75 people killed every day - the 2nd highest murder rate in the world. The chance to be murdered in South Africa is 4-5% for every individual living here. Only 14% of murder cases are solved. Organised crime is on the rise with almost zero consequence for violent offences. The South African Police is the single biggest source of firearms in the country- whether being stolen from, firearms being lost or provided by the SAP. Life is cheap in South Africa and crime is easy.

  • @debeerpaul
    @debeerpaul 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Basically the future of London 😃

    • @soniabule9089
      @soniabule9089 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      100%😂😂😂

  • @savagex466-qt1io
    @savagex466-qt1io 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Id suspect some hard cores even own some of those security companys lol. Its perfect !

  • @wok7152
    @wok7152 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    27:50 that cut to him sitting on top of the playground was so unserious💀 why did he do that 😭

    • @juliecross1567
      @juliecross1567 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Maybe to highlight the fact that there are little ones born and growing up amid the violence and crime. A subtle hint. I found it forceful.

  • @nomsantuli6023
    @nomsantuli6023 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I can't wait to go home but scared😢

  • @youbrokeitwefixit1723
    @youbrokeitwefixit1723 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    When you have a large gab between the haves and the have not,add drugs, alcohol and slow service delivery to the have not them you get Cape Town

  • @fatmanjoh
    @fatmanjoh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So typical that apartheid still considered to be the cause of crime in RSA. It’s nearly 3 decades since apartheid ended. Now worse than ever. Violence and corruption had been Africa’s problem for centuries. So I left this dump for the better.

  • @bengunn3698
    @bengunn3698 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very quiet when i lived there in 1971 . Walked home from town centre to green point late at night many times ,no problem .. What on earth as gone wrong with the place ??? Answers on a postcard ..

    • @samchallis448
      @samchallis448 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      QUIET WHERE YOU LIVED BECAUSE YOU WERE IN A WHITE SEGREGATED AREA. WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

  • @helenduplessis4166
    @helenduplessis4166 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    VERY difficult to get a firearm license here.

    • @michaeldewing1904
      @michaeldewing1904 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not difficult.. just takes time.. so mostly waiting, which is easy..

    • @thevoicewithin930
      @thevoicewithin930 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Depends what you call difficult.

    • @helenduplessis4166
      @helenduplessis4166 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thevoicewithin930 well, it is WAY easier getting an illegal firearm.

    • @thevoicewithin930
      @thevoicewithin930 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@helenduplessis4166 sounds like you’ve tried?

    • @helenduplessis4166
      @helenduplessis4166 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thevoicewithin930 I haven't personally tried, but, I have friends who have.

  • @nele233
    @nele233 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    When was this video made though? Like damn😂

  • @lin9821
    @lin9821 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don’t know how Louis does his job, and the others in this report. Amazing folk ❤️

  • @fitzgrant4404
    @fitzgrant4404 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is proper gander....

  • @paul2081ok
    @paul2081ok 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    S.A. Is Stone Age meets Century 21, huh ❤

  • @Icebartelby
    @Icebartelby 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Apart from the scenery you could do this story exactly the same in some American Cities, including gangs using children, no Apartheid there, so drugs, lack of opportunity and lack of support and government services are the common thread.

    • @rochellenaidoo5334
      @rochellenaidoo5334 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      100,%

    • @eastbaykidd8574
      @eastbaykidd8574 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The common thread is a certain group of people who have been granted perpetual "victim" status and not accountable for their own behavior.

    • @Icebartelby
      @Icebartelby 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@eastbaykidd8574 It's not called theft anymore it's called affirmative shopping 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @prettisibbs2176
      @prettisibbs2176 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eastbaykidd8574who are these ‘certain groups of people’?

    • @eastbaykidd8574
      @eastbaykidd8574 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@prettisibbs2176 Not obvious to you?

  • @marklisiecki5790
    @marklisiecki5790 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Remind me of today's NYC!!!

  • @Mike-fj2ln
    @Mike-fj2ln 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    South Africa is a very diverse country.

  • @joe_lubinda
    @joe_lubinda 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Why not go to Mauritius? It's very beautiful and safe too 😂

  • @karooboermeyer1115
    @karooboermeyer1115 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    South Africa, as long as you know how to keep yourself out of harms way, its not as bad as it looks.

  • @ddz1375
    @ddz1375 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Were things better under apartheid? Seems like there was at least a handle on the crime and poverty.

    • @samoday2992
      @samoday2992 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Blacks couldnt run a steam up in a brewery .

    • @mjb6839
      @mjb6839 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      how can you ask this? better for who? do you know what apartheid is?

    • @samoday2992
      @samoday2992 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mjb6839 yep was law and order. Blacks have somehow ruined the only functioning country in Africa

    • @bellbottom3202
      @bellbottom3202 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Definitely better. Kept uncontrolled animals in check & saved other animals getting harmed by them nasty animals

  • @Lokichangchang1
    @Lokichangchang1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for shedding light on this. I cannot understand for the life of me why the UNHCR is classifying South Africa as a “safe” country when it clearly isnt

  • @mikerobinson9627
    @mikerobinson9627 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    These kind of situations don't work. Surely we have learned from it 👊🏼

  • @renierbuys7636
    @renierbuys7636 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Inspector Nel makes it sound like legal gun owners buy and license Norinco 9mm pistols and commit the crimes. He's comment to might have been taken out of context

  • @chicorodriguez3964
    @chicorodriguez3964 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Dude steady points the norinco at the guy who shows it to him and the guy is a gun expert? He simply could have brought up the fact that treat every gun as if its loaded

  • @user-ij9hq7of4k
    @user-ij9hq7of4k 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I live in George,SA and have had my ex and his "syndicate" stalking me for 4 yrs. The PI I employed betrayed me, the lawyer I went to betrayed me. I have had many narrow escapes, my ex is well educated and tries to cause road accidents to kill me. Sometimes I think they are into body part harvesting as he was a surgeon but nobody wants to believe me

    • @ikemeebuka4865
      @ikemeebuka4865 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey, I hope you are safe these days? So sorry to hear that

  • @venicegirl80
    @venicegirl80 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The most beautiful city😮

  • @matabeleman
    @matabeleman 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    leave the place to the locals.

  • @CRAIG5835
    @CRAIG5835 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Poor woman who killed her son was found guilty of murder. I hope she fared well.

    • @RockNRoll-wb8fn
      @RockNRoll-wb8fn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      SHE DID THE RIGHT THING, SHE GVE HIM LIFE AND SHE TOOK THAT LIFE WHEN HE'S NOT DESERVE IT !!! HOW CAN A CHILD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HIS OWN MOTHER ?

  • @tertiusthiart8417
    @tertiusthiart8417 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful, but also dangerous !!!

  • @declankelly6509
    @declankelly6509 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s actually very difficult to get a weapons license in SA, despite the fact as a private citizen you need one for your own safety, and that of your family

  • @keithkhohlokoane8819
    @keithkhohlokoane8819 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The documentary is spot on about crime and many social ills, but it never addresses the fact that all these are a result of the problem, inequality and poverty are as vivid as a white cat in a burnt corn field.
    The POOR can't sleep coz they're hungry and under depression & the HAVEs can't sleep coz the POOR are AWAKE

  • @lesleyjohnson8063
    @lesleyjohnson8063 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don't care how old this documentary is. This is the real deal in Cape Town.
    We are so past apartheid people and it's really no different in any other country.
    It's the ugly face of poverty. Well done on the documentary!

  • @magikindian
    @magikindian 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That is childs play compared to the tiny caribbean islands of Jamaica and Trinidad. Cape Town and Joannisberg is pretty civilized compared

  • @richardashworth400
    @richardashworth400 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bruce, Come to Slough mate...... I'll buy you a pint

  • @Alberts_Stuff
    @Alberts_Stuff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    A place I’ve always wanted to visit, not so much now 😒

    • @englishmenintown8622
      @englishmenintown8622 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Don't be put off too much.
      This is showing the worst of the worst.
      Tourism is huge and very successful.

    • @pipipupu5104
      @pipipupu5104 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@englishmenintown8622dude the documentary is a decade old but now it's even worse

    • @englishmenintown8622
      @englishmenintown8622 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@pipipupu5104 that's simply not true

    • @todorshoilekov6756
      @todorshoilekov6756 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agree would not venture in SA now

    • @pipipupu5104
      @pipipupu5104 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@todorshoilekov6756 which country are you from by the way

  • @PaulineXCX
    @PaulineXCX 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    And for all the people saying why don’t the locals just move …… the currency converting rands to 1st world currency is outrageous

  • @masoodkhan427
    @masoodkhan427 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Lovely documentary.Background music horrible

  • @demiljim306
    @demiljim306 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Moving from Capt Town to London is not exactly a safety upgrade!

  • @TheCulturedTiger
    @TheCulturedTiger 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I live here from 87 from the uk. They love the drama . KTA

  • @revaashramjee8393
    @revaashramjee8393 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    this is a very misleading documentary

  • @stevesteve6189
    @stevesteve6189 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    The country was handed back to the original land owners in 1994, the current crime is NOT as a result of a BRITISH SYSTEM over 30 years ago.

    • @barendbotha4442
      @barendbotha4442 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Original land owners? BS. Go check your facts.

    • @domdom6624
      @domdom6624 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@barendbotha4442 The Bantus were in South Africa way before the Dutch. Check your own facts first.

    • @gerhardbekker7798
      @gerhardbekker7798 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nope the San and Khoi was there first....By the way the Bantu and the white man BOTH killed them-so maybe check your facts

  • @keithfaulk1354
    @keithfaulk1354 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glad I live in Georgia!!❤️❤️

  • @julesm753
    @julesm753 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Been to Thailand many times, Bangkok has lots of poverty there too, and almost no violent crimes. Same in many Asian big cities. Find the answer to why and maybe understand South African crime better. True cause, no BS, no politics, just the root cause.