I like the theory that Barney was nowhere near as bad as he was portrayed. Ted was telling the story to his kids in an effort to get their blessing to go after Barney's ex-wife. So of course he would take any of his own bad behavior and give it to Barney, while also embellishing Barney's personality/actions to make him look worse. Barney didn't get redeemed, Ted backed himself into a corner where he had to explain how this selfish womanizer suddenly became the loving dad his kids know.
Sylar should have just stayed dead at the end of Season 1, as was the original plan, instead of constantly bringing him back and ruining his character. His popularity was, ironically, the worst thing about his character, because the writers could never move on from him
You can't analyze Lionel's story arc without also looking at Lex. His story arc isn't about redemption, it's meant to be a mirror image of Lex's arc. Lionel is a horrible man who gradually becomes a selfless and noble man while Lex begins as an angry but well-meaning man who devolves into a ruthless and unrepentant monster.
"How I Met Your Mother" was described by Ted, who was jealous of Barney getting Robin, so we run smack into the 'unreliable narrator' and cannot trust all the bad depictions of him. He was probably a much better person than Ted depicted him as.
I agree with the majority of this list! But, I did kind of chuckle a little when it was going over how detestable some of Negan's actions have been, and this is showcased by a clip of him holding up a knife to "Rapey Davy," who had been trying to sexually assault Sasha. Like, that's a "detestable action" I don't necessarily find all that unforgivable.
honestly the only issue ive ever had with Negan (besides killing Glenn) was that he took other men's partners and made them his "wives". Other than that i think he serves the show as a flip side to Rick. They both do horrible things to keep afloat in the apocalypse, but we side with Rick because we see how he got there from beginning to end (eventual end).
I thought Negan’s arc was very undeserved. The way the show revictimzes Maggie by making her work with the guy who brutally murdered her husband, forcing her to watch, just makes that even worse. Then they write a show where they go on a mission together? It makes no sense. Even if you grant that Negan was just doing what he had to do to survive, it still makes no sense that Rick would leave him alive, and even less that Maggie would have.
Sylar had a defect in his brain that made him uncontrollably hunt people, and he removed that part of his brain, his decision to do that was the majority of his arc.
I don't agree Barney had rushed redemption at all. His redemption arc started in season 3, episode 20. Also he never stop being a womanizer, after he and Robin end he goes right back to it. Yes he becomes a devoted father, but in How I Met Your Father he reprises his role for an episode. In it he’s now a SUV-driving, devoted dad who wears a shock device on his ankle that activates when he uses certain words. He literally wears a shock device to stop him from being a womanizer for his daughter.
You’re wrong about Negan tbh. Very wrong. He killed 2 of Rick’s people, who killed many of his men while they were all asleep. Negan’s plans of capturing communities to work for him is far from irredeemable
How on earth is Barney worse than the others lmao He was supposed to be offensive like a caricature of sexists I think thats a decent logical redemption plot too
the problem (as with much of satire, caricature, etc) is people not getting the joke and instead seeing him as "awesome" not that I have an opinion on him being a caricature. I just think him being one or not does not change how his behaviour was excused by the other characters as "hijinks" and how he was viewed as a sympathetic character by audiences
The Negan entry just feels like someone who didn't watch the show. Even ignoring the fact that "Oh no he killed 2 named characters after they killed dozens of unnamed ones", which is off to a very biased start, the fact is his redemption arc occurred over multiple seasons. "Seeing him team up with Maggie is weird", she tried to kill him multiple times, he tried to avoid even being put in the situation, and they had friction to the end even after he saved her kid too, which they both acknowledge, and he very sincerely apologizes for what he'd done alongside accompanying word with deeds. It's like if you had to make a checklist of "What is EVERYTHING you need a character to do to believably turn around this scenario", they did it. So I suspect many such entries on the list are just as off the mark. I remember Smallville less, but wasn't Lionel like saved and possessed by Jo'Rel or something. It wasn't Lionel turning good, so much as wacky over the top soap opera-y kind of shenanigans forcing a huge change of character? So again, I feel like that's another entry from someone who didn't watch the show at all.
Barney was portrayed through the eyes of Ted, we can believe one man impregnated a one night stand but never mentioned the mother of the baby, left countless women with traumatising situations in his wake which could land him in lawsuits later in life, yet Ted was likely trying to make his friends sound bad to cover for his own atrocities as arguably the most problematic and evil character of the whole show
@@marieskoglund8820 Agreed, but as a character he was more entertaining and had way more potential for growth. That point was the beginning of the end for me.
Teen Wolf's Kate Argent--she seduced a teenager and then burned his family alive. The show kept trying to redeem her by saying her mean father made her that way, but it falls flat. (At least for me)
Oh dear, now that's a villain I hated from the very first moment she appeared! Ugh. The actress has a tendency to play characters I hate - same was with her guest appearance on Stargate: Atlantis. I think she was only in two episodes, but damn, it was so difficult to watch them :v
I beg to differ on Negan. The group wiped out countless Saviors… even slaying an entire outpost while they slept. Negan’s actions in return were all justified. Sure Negan had other traits and behaviors that were bad, but the deaths of Glenn and Abraham paled in comparison to what the group of survivors did.
Avery Bullock American Dad! I Don't Mind Patrick Stewart but good ol' Avery has done some shady things beside not rescuing his late wife from Insurgents and bedding Haley Smith
Both Lokis (before variant-event) still tried to invade Earth, is responsible for 74 deaths (per Gen Ross JUST in NYC, not counting PEGASUS base nor the helicarrier) and untold injuries, gouged that guy's eye out (likely died too), and he killed Phil before he could finish watching Supernanny. Oh and main Loki "accidentally" got his mom killed while trying to target his bro's new gf. Different YT channel mentioned What If s2 Strange Supreme "had been on a great redemption ark!" and like ??? He annihilated his entire reality after repeating Christine's death a few hundred times and even absorbing his other "good" self rather than accept she couldn't be saved. He did help against Infinites Zola/Killmonger (Erik's another example, but viewers saw his good-guy image was self-serving and lethal) and held their containment gem, but then the whole forge thing kind of nixxed any idea he might have even been even TRYING to be redeemed and just kept being a bigger a-hole. (dis)Honorable mention to movie plots like Diznee's "Brave" where the "hero" saves everybody from the curse/evil/plague the hero themselves released.
It's the game of thrones, the standard of morality is a little different. Besides, it is weird to say "he doesn't deserve to become a better person" as if that would take away our ability to hate him appropriately. And he got his fair share of punishment.
Nate Shelly was already painted as a deeply insecure lonely individual. Also he’s a football manager now…so his relationship with a younger more attractive women is VERY plausible
I'm glad you mentioned Negan. He was the reason I stopped watching the show. While I like the actor and he did a great job of portraying the character. The character was just horrible. The only thing that made him scary was all of the idiots who would follow and obey. When I heard they were trying to redeem him I decided to never return.
@@draygoon69 It's like what Negan recently said, "No one is the bad guy, or hell maybe everyone is." He is a complex character that had good reasons to do all he's done. But yes just difference of opinions, to each their own.
Negan might be a bastard, but his redemption is anything but undeserved, from our perspective he killed 2 fan favourite characters, but let's not forget how Rick's group killed at least 20x that of Saviors, if anything he was being generous. Negan gave hundreds of people something close to a home and did his best to survive and build something, it's not as black and white mate.
Hela in season 2 of "What If..." I know it's an "alternate reality" show, and I love Cate Blanchett no matter what she does, but her redemption was unmotivated and hardly believable.
As I recall it, Lionel didn't team up with the AI until after he controlled by some kind of Kryptonian technology. That insight or knowledge is what altered so much of his behavior afterwards and set him on the path to redemption.
Maybe it doesn't technically count as a redemption arc if the writers suddenly decide to undo all of his character development in the final few episodes.
HIMYM creators said it was Barney in ted's eyes which he was depicted probably worse than he was in reality. Plus I have seen assholes irl see their kids and change completely. one of my cousins was insulting and running from the poilce each time he had a speeding ticket and got into other sorts of trouble and since he got his daugthers he did a full 360 and apparently he is a great dad and person now.
When Rick didn’t kill Negan at the end of that story arc, I never watched The Walking Dead ever again. Complete nonsense. So epically dumb. He should have died. There is no redemption for a man that did so many awful things.
Dude, most of the characters have done horrible things. Negan was justified in killing Glenn and Abraham considering they and the rest of the characters were murdering Saviors left and right, Negan had to do something.
Barney got a near 3 season redemption arc, so whoever made this list clearly never watched HIMYM. I'm not a fan of the finale but he grew as a person and seeing his daughter was just the final step to "settling down". More proof that WhatCulture didn't watch the show was Barney never stopped sleeping around. He just finally learned to settle down with the right woman
T-bag is a particularly good (bad) example, but don't forget that most of the characters in Prison Break were hardly saints. Sure, Lincoln was framed, but he went to the parking garage with the intention of murdering a complete stranger to clear his debts, and as soon as Michael is out of the picture he goes straight back to his criminal ways. Sara fell in love with an convict and aided in the escape of everyone who made it over the wall. Bellick was corrupt to the extreme. C-Note was still a smuggler. Mahone was a murderer. Sucre committed armed robbery. The list goes on. Sure, T-bags crimes are a lot more heinous but that doesn't mean most of the others are any more deserving of redemption.
Angela cheating on her partner and being Christian is not the hypocritical part, it's the continually doing it that makes it hypocritical. Christianity is not a belief of perfection, no one can be perfect.....except Eva Green, she is perfect.
Don't get me wrong I liked Glenn and Abe but there's so many other characters that died but people get stuck on Glenn's death. Neegan should've killed Maggie aswell
I agree with Philppa Georgiou. A galactic mass murderer suddenly becomes friends with the good and kind Federation. That's the scorpion and the frog fable. Also, while not a TV character, it reminds me of Darth Vader. Yes, we all love him and he's awesome but he also deserved to die way more than anyone else.
To be honest Negans redemption was one of the many things TWSmD to correct the ship. Seasons 9-11 were a huge improvement over 7-8. Even the spin offs are good.
While I actually think the arc was done rather well, on the parameter of "deserve," then Missy from Doctor Who probably didn't deserve redemption. She was the latest incarnation of the Doctor's childhood best friend, schoolmate, turned archenemy, the Master, who undermined governments, brainwashed people into servitude, and had killed countless people, and tried to kill many more. Even though Missy was a less malicious version, she did initially present a plan to resurrect all of Earth's deceased as Cybermen, to present to the Doctor, to use for an intergalactic war. She was going to be executed for her crimes, but the Doctor took her into his custody for rehabilitation. Her final test had her ally with then betray a previous still-villainous version of herself; she ultimately remained on the side of good, as she stabbed the Master fatally, forcing him to regenerate. She was about to return to reconciled friend, the Doctor, but the Master shot her with a laser that supposedly had regeneration-cancelling effects (although, didn't). Despite all the bad things she had done, Missy died a hero (of sorts). So, while her redemption arc was good, I can understand why it might be contentious.
Arguably, she was a product of her mother's poisonous influence. That said, Lexy mocking the death of Jake's dad was horrible, and was made worse when she got in trouble for it, since she acted indignant, giving an insincere apology. I expected her to be recruited by Chucky, rather than Junior.
Ross Geller should’ve been on this list, not Barney. After the way he treated Rachel when they were a couple, although she wasn’t so innocent, and at the end she chose him after her most wished career…
It honestly feels like Nate from Ted Lasso making this list literally misses the point of Ted Lasso. Everyone deserves another chance. Ted forgives Rebecca after she admits to sabotaging the team. Coach Beard having his origin story essentially be beat for beat Les Mis. Jamie, Roy, it's explained even when shit goes sideways as there was a reason not an excuse. Hell Ted and his wife reconcile.
I fully agree with the Weeds entry. The first few seasons of the show are mostly fun, and Nancy is only a bit of a jerk. However, starting with season 4 and going forward, she becomes more and more of a villain, and the show starts to lose its magic. The final seasons are a slog.
If there a animated show characters don't deserve redeem i would pick the female general in 3 below because she ready to experiment on the alien siblings and make deal with general morando for his army her sacrifice in the last episode was so rush and out of her characters
I havnt watched walking dead since carl died but i can see why they would try to redeem negan three words jeffrey dean morgan the man is sexy and an incredible actor to boot when hes on screen he steals the show but there is only so long before a villian gets killed off by a main good guy(probably maggie)and since hes so incredible to watch they had to redeem him
Chuck Bass and Alisson Dilaurentis from Gossip Girl and Pretty Little Liars are also horrible characters that coasted on their actors' charisma and writers' desperation
The governor was a bad guy playing a good character, negan was a good character playing a bad guy. He had to do the shit he did to maintain the respect of all the saviors.if hed showed even the slightest bit of sympathy or remorse it would have made him look weak and wouldn't have demanded the respect of his subordinates. He became bad because of the saviors, and those douchebag bikers. I hated him in season seven the first time you meet him, he was so cold and cruel. Hit glen once, and then turned around to monologue for two minutes while the dude choked on his own blood, forced him to suffer immensely and drew it out. It was disgusting. And then the way he smacks rick in the face and makes him beg and squall like a baby for him not to make him cut his own sons arm off. Glenn and abrahams deaths were not justified by any means. They go around killing people and threatening whoever's left to scavenge stuff FOR THEM. Seems like asking for trouble in my opinion.
Y’al don’t really do animated stuff so not surprised it ain’t on here, but Catra is She-Ra was a real stretch. Like I’m not saying it’s bad she had a change of heart or needed to die or something, but when you end up in such a sunk-cost fallacy you’re trying to blow up reality to spite your pseudo ex-GF because all your attempted murder and colluding with fascists didn’t make her regret dropping you, like… even if you have a last minute heel-face turn, maybe your epilogue needs to be “prison”, not “gets the girl”.
@rmo8267 whilst his redemption arc was done very well, he definitely didn't deserve it. Centuries travelling the world and slaughtering thousands surely doesn't deserve redemption. Especially given that even when he did get his soul back he still tried to rape buffy
@@richardwallace7845 actually, the attempted rape happened before he got his soul and was the catalyst for his motivation to fight for his soul. It was still very heinous though and I'm not excusing it. But in the same vein, what do you think of Angel's redemption arc? (I Still love Angel. Don't get me wrong). I love to get others opinions on this subject bc I love the differences in both characters. Some are of the option, myself included, that Spike's redemption was more deserved than Angel's bc while Angel had his soul forced on him, Spike wanted his. Also, while Angel didn't have his soul he was a sadistic sociopath who tried to end the world. Whereas when Spike didn't have his soul, he teamed up with Buffy multiple times to save the world (even if for partly selfish reasons) and was kind hearted to Joyce and Dawn. He was even weirdly kind to Willow when he was trying to kill her right after he got his Chip and was suffering from "performance" issues. It's also interesting to note their differences when they were human. William (Spike) was a kind and gentle man whereas Liam (Angel) was a philandering, gambling drunk. I wonder if those personality differences affected who they were once they were without souls.
I completely disagree with you on Negan. Otherwise, a decent video, but putting him on this list as no. 2 is ridiculous in my opinion. Especially when there's unredeemable nasty human beings there like T-Bag or Sylar who literally killed people for pleasure in a perfectly functioning society. Even at his worst, even though he was definitely no angel, Negan was very selective and had somewhat of a moral code with a LOT of patience and forgiveness for misbehavior. He despised r*pe, never hurt children and was very generous with how many characters he'd kill off as punishment. Rick and his crew would go on killing sprees, over and over, killing dozens and dozens of his people. And he'd still give them countless chances. He was brutal but had his reasons, especially considering TWD's postapocalyptic setting. He was a flawed man, but directly killed far less people than Rick and his group, and despite him having a very twisted view on what 'keeping everyone alive' meant, I think he was very redeemable from an objective point of view. Especially considering his true remorse as shown in conversations with others and literally himself given his past actions. Anyway, I'm ranting when no one's gonna read this,, as if I don't have better things to do LOL...Enough nerd talk. Peace.
24 goes after season 2s nuke episode and becoming ridiculous, because even after the sacrifice and the explosion it. has. no. effect after all ... just a character hot killed off. And they repeated that over and over again. Even with Jack Bauer, the character is killed and revived few times starting with season 1. Lost interest with the beginnt of season 4; it starts with that lame, idealess, repeating lazy writing
I like the theory that Barney was nowhere near as bad as he was portrayed. Ted was telling the story to his kids in an effort to get their blessing to go after Barney's ex-wife. So of course he would take any of his own bad behavior and give it to Barney, while also embellishing Barney's personality/actions to make him look worse. Barney didn't get redeemed, Ted backed himself into a corner where he had to explain how this selfish womanizer suddenly became the loving dad his kids know.
Sylar should have just stayed dead at the end of Season 1, as was the original plan, instead of constantly bringing him back and ruining his character. His popularity was, ironically, the worst thing about his character, because the writers could never move on from him
You can't analyze Lionel's story arc without also looking at Lex. His story arc isn't about redemption, it's meant to be a mirror image of Lex's arc.
Lionel is a horrible man who gradually becomes a selfless and noble man while Lex begins as an angry but well-meaning man who devolves into a ruthless and unrepentant monster.
"How I Met Your Mother" was described by Ted, who was jealous of Barney getting Robin, so we run smack into the 'unreliable narrator' and cannot trust all the bad depictions of him. He was probably a much better person than Ted depicted him as.
I agree with the majority of this list! But, I did kind of chuckle a little when it was going over how detestable some of Negan's actions have been, and this is showcased by a clip of him holding up a knife to "Rapey Davy," who had been trying to sexually assault Sasha. Like, that's a "detestable action" I don't necessarily find all that unforgivable.
honestly the only issue ive ever had with Negan (besides killing Glenn) was that he took other men's partners and made them his "wives". Other than that i think he serves the show as a flip side to Rick. They both do horrible things to keep afloat in the apocalypse, but we side with Rick because we see how he got there from beginning to end (eventual end).
I thought Negan’s arc was very undeserved. The way the show revictimzes Maggie by making her work with the guy who brutally murdered her husband, forcing her to watch, just makes that even worse. Then they write a show where they go on a mission together? It makes no sense. Even if you grant that Negan was just doing what he had to do to survive, it still makes no sense that Rick would leave him alive, and even less that Maggie would have.
He did it because of Carl mainly, plus Negan helped the characters out a lot when Maggie left with Georgie
Sylar had a defect in his brain that made him uncontrollably hunt people, and he removed that part of his brain, his decision to do that was the majority of his arc.
Moral: They can't all be Zuko.
"That's rough, buddy..."
Or Regina Mills.
Honorable mention to Brody on Homeland. It still doesn't ring true to me at all.
I don't agree Barney had rushed redemption at all. His redemption arc started in season 3, episode 20. Also he never stop being a womanizer, after he and Robin end he goes right back to it. Yes he becomes a devoted father, but in How I Met Your Father he reprises his role for an episode. In it he’s now a SUV-driving, devoted dad who wears a shock device on his ankle that activates when he uses certain words. He literally wears a shock device to stop him from being a womanizer for his daughter.
And they left out Ross Geller
Having a kid does unbelievable things to you and you can completely change in a matter of seconds (and you will) so it’s not out of character at all.
You’re wrong about Negan tbh. Very wrong. He killed 2 of Rick’s people, who killed many of his men while they were all asleep. Negan’s plans of capturing communities to work for him is far from irredeemable
How on earth is Barney worse than the others lmao
He was supposed to be offensive like a caricature of sexists I think thats a decent logical redemption plot too
the problem (as with much of satire, caricature, etc) is people not getting the joke and instead seeing him as "awesome"
not that I have an opinion on him being a caricature. I just think him being one or not does not change how his behaviour was excused by the other characters as "hijinks" and how he was viewed as a sympathetic character by audiences
That's not how you pronounce Georgiou
The Negan entry just feels like someone who didn't watch the show. Even ignoring the fact that "Oh no he killed 2 named characters after they killed dozens of unnamed ones", which is off to a very biased start, the fact is his redemption arc occurred over multiple seasons. "Seeing him team up with Maggie is weird", she tried to kill him multiple times, he tried to avoid even being put in the situation, and they had friction to the end even after he saved her kid too, which they both acknowledge, and he very sincerely apologizes for what he'd done alongside accompanying word with deeds. It's like if you had to make a checklist of "What is EVERYTHING you need a character to do to believably turn around this scenario", they did it.
So I suspect many such entries on the list are just as off the mark.
I remember Smallville less, but wasn't Lionel like saved and possessed by Jo'Rel or something. It wasn't Lionel turning good, so much as wacky over the top soap opera-y kind of shenanigans forcing a huge change of character?
So again, I feel like that's another entry from someone who didn't watch the show at all.
Barney was portrayed through the eyes of Ted, we can believe one man impregnated a one night stand but never mentioned the mother of the baby, left countless women with traumatising situations in his wake which could land him in lawsuits later in life, yet Ted was likely trying to make his friends sound bad to cover for his own atrocities as arguably the most problematic and evil character of the whole show
Unpopular opinion- Abraham was a far bigger loss than Glen.
I agree, I was definitely more sad about his death
I would have agreed with you if it wasn’t for how mean he was to Rosita, he could have just said that he fell in love with Sasha.
@@marieskoglund8820she was just a convenient lay, literally any woman would have served the same purpose.
@@marieskoglund8820 Agreed, but as a character he was more entertaining and had way more potential for growth. That point was the beginning of the end for me.
There is absolutely no way that Negan should be considered redeemable. He has always been a complete and utter piece of crap.
the "heroes" in the walking dead were not much better.
Exactly. The fact that he wasn’t killed made me stop watching the show.
@@dougkleen9917exactly, people forget that a lot of the protagonists did some pretty dark stuff, what really makes Negan all that much worse?
T-bag was supposed to die in season 2 but since he was the most popular character in america, they rewrote the script.
Most people hate Ted more than Barney now.
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Teen Wolf's Kate Argent--she seduced a teenager and then burned his family alive. The show kept trying to redeem her by saying her mean father made her that way, but it falls flat. (At least for me)
Oh dear, now that's a villain I hated from the very first moment she appeared! Ugh. The actress has a tendency to play characters I hate - same was with her guest appearance on Stargate: Atlantis. I think she was only in two episodes, but damn, it was so difficult to watch them :v
I beg to differ on Negan. The group wiped out countless Saviors… even slaying an entire outpost while they slept. Negan’s actions in return were all justified. Sure Negan had other traits and behaviors that were bad, but the deaths of Glenn and Abraham paled in comparison to what the group of survivors did.
Avery Bullock American Dad! I Don't Mind Patrick Stewart but good ol' Avery has done some shady things beside not rescuing his late wife from Insurgents and bedding Haley Smith
Both Lokis (before variant-event) still tried to invade Earth, is responsible for 74 deaths (per Gen Ross JUST in NYC, not counting PEGASUS base nor the helicarrier) and untold injuries, gouged that guy's eye out (likely died too), and he killed Phil before he could finish watching Supernanny. Oh and main Loki "accidentally" got his mom killed while trying to target his bro's new gf. Different YT channel mentioned What If s2 Strange Supreme "had been on a great redemption ark!" and like ??? He annihilated his entire reality after repeating Christine's death a few hundred times and even absorbing his other "good" self rather than accept she couldn't be saved. He did help against Infinites Zola/Killmonger (Erik's another example, but viewers saw his good-guy image was self-serving and lethal) and held their containment gem, but then the whole forge thing kind of nixxed any idea he might have even been even TRYING to be redeemed and just kept being a bigger a-hole. (dis)Honorable mention to movie plots like Diznee's "Brave" where the "hero" saves everybody from the curse/evil/plague the hero themselves released.
Amazing video what culture and I love Smallville will always be my favourite show of all time,I enjoyed the villains in the show too.
11: Theon Greyjoy, he killed two innocent boys
2? Who cares, it’s game of thrones.
Jon killed a kid too so did other good characters (ik the kid killed him but like its still a child)
Well, he died, not a very happy ending.
I think getting "fixed" and tortured were sufficient punishment, though.
It's the game of thrones, the standard of morality is a little different. Besides, it is weird to say "he doesn't deserve to become a better person" as if that would take away our ability to hate him appropriately. And he got his fair share of punishment.
Nate Shelly was already painted as a deeply insecure lonely individual. Also he’s a football manager now…so his relationship with a younger more attractive women is VERY plausible
I'm glad you mentioned Negan. He was the reason I stopped watching the show. While I like the actor and he did a great job of portraying the character. The character was just horrible. The only thing that made him scary was all of the idiots who would follow and obey. When I heard they were trying to redeem him I decided to never return.
Negan is TWD
@@mothermedusa9921 which is why I stopped. I feel he is one of the worst villain type characters I've ever seen written. Personal opinion of course.
@@draygoon69 It's like what Negan recently said, "No one is the bad guy, or hell maybe everyone is." He is a complex character that had good reasons to do all he's done. But yes just difference of opinions, to each their own.
In Stargirl (2020-2022), Cindy and Cameron didn't deserve the redemption they got.
disagree with the Barney one, other then that perfect list.
Negan might be a bastard, but his redemption is anything but undeserved, from our perspective he killed 2 fan favourite characters, but let's not forget how Rick's group killed at least 20x that of Saviors, if anything he was being generous. Negan gave hundreds of people something close to a home and did his best to survive and build something, it's not as black and white mate.
Hela in season 2 of "What If..." I know it's an "alternate reality" show, and I love Cate Blanchett no matter what she does, but her redemption was unmotivated and hardly believable.
As I recall it, Lionel didn't team up with the AI until after he controlled by some kind of Kryptonian technology. That insight or knowledge is what altered so much of his behavior afterwards and set him on the path to redemption.
I know we all love Damon from TVD, but is his redemption deserving?
Barney doesn't deserved to be on this list. He was designed to make fun of player culture
Barney doesnt deserve no 1. It shud be no 10 and negan shud be no 1
No Jamie Lanister huh....
Maybe it doesn't technically count as a redemption arc if the writers suddenly decide to undo all of his character development in the final few episodes.
HIMYM creators said it was Barney in ted's eyes which he was depicted probably worse than he was in reality. Plus I have seen assholes irl see their kids and change completely.
one of my cousins was insulting and running from the poilce each time he had a speeding ticket and got into other sorts of trouble and since he got his daugthers he did a full 360 and apparently he is a great dad and person now.
Not Barney😂
When Rick didn’t kill Negan at the end of that story arc, I never watched The Walking Dead ever again. Complete nonsense. So epically dumb. He should have died. There is no redemption for a man that did so many awful things.
Dude, most of the characters have done horrible things. Negan was justified in killing Glenn and Abraham considering they and the rest of the characters were murdering Saviors left and right, Negan had to do something.
Negan deff didn't deserve it
Barney got a near 3 season redemption arc, so whoever made this list clearly never watched HIMYM. I'm not a fan of the finale but he grew as a person and seeing his daughter was just the final step to "settling down". More proof that WhatCulture didn't watch the show was Barney never stopped sleeping around. He just finally learned to settle down with the right woman
T-bag is a particularly good (bad) example, but don't forget that most of the characters in Prison Break were hardly saints. Sure, Lincoln was framed, but he went to the parking garage with the intention of murdering a complete stranger to clear his debts, and as soon as Michael is out of the picture he goes straight back to his criminal ways. Sara fell in love with an convict and aided in the escape of everyone who made it over the wall. Bellick was corrupt to the extreme. C-Note was still a smuggler. Mahone was a murderer. Sucre committed armed robbery. The list goes on. Sure, T-bags crimes are a lot more heinous but that doesn't mean most of the others are any more deserving of redemption.
Angela cheating on her partner and being Christian is not the hypocritical part, it's the continually doing it that makes it hypocritical. Christianity is not a belief of perfection, no one can be perfect.....except Eva Green, she is perfect.
Don't get me wrong I liked Glenn and Abe but there's so many other characters that died but people get stuck on Glenn's death. Neegan should've killed Maggie aswell
I agree with Philppa Georgiou. A galactic mass murderer suddenly becomes friends with the good and kind Federation. That's the scorpion and the frog fable. Also, while not a TV character, it reminds me of Darth Vader. Yes, we all love him and he's awesome but he also deserved to die way more than anyone else.
To be honest Negans redemption was one of the many things TWSmD to correct the ship. Seasons 9-11 were a huge improvement over 7-8. Even the spin offs are good.
LOL putting Barney #1 over characters who actually committed murder? jesus, and he was the most entertaining character on that show
While I actually think the arc was done rather well, on the parameter of "deserve," then Missy from Doctor Who probably didn't deserve redemption. She was the latest incarnation of the Doctor's childhood best friend, schoolmate, turned archenemy, the Master, who undermined governments, brainwashed people into servitude, and had killed countless people, and tried to kill many more. Even though Missy was a less malicious version, she did initially present a plan to resurrect all of Earth's deceased as Cybermen, to present to the Doctor, to use for an intergalactic war. She was going to be executed for her crimes, but the Doctor took her into his custody for rehabilitation. Her final test had her ally with then betray a previous still-villainous version of herself; she ultimately remained on the side of good, as she stabbed the Master fatally, forcing him to regenerate. She was about to return to reconciled friend, the Doctor, but the Master shot her with a laser that supposedly had regeneration-cancelling effects (although, didn't). Despite all the bad things she had done, Missy died a hero (of sorts).
So, while her redemption arc was good, I can understand why it might be contentious.
The redemption of Lexy on the show Chucky was the one for me. After what she did at that party I was waiting and waiting for Chucky to kill her
Arguably, she was a product of her mother's poisonous influence.
That said, Lexy mocking the death of Jake's dad was horrible, and was made worse when she got in trouble for it, since she acted indignant, giving an insincere apology. I expected her to be recruited by Chucky, rather than Junior.
Ross Geller should’ve been on this list, not Barney. After the way he treated Rachel when they were a couple, although she wasn’t so innocent, and at the end she chose him after her most wished career…
It honestly feels like Nate from Ted Lasso making this list literally misses the point of Ted Lasso. Everyone deserves another chance. Ted forgives Rebecca after she admits to sabotaging the team. Coach Beard having his origin story essentially be beat for beat Les Mis. Jamie, Roy, it's explained even when shit goes sideways as there was a reason not an excuse. Hell Ted and his wife reconcile.
Yeah, Nate was a piece of shit. But Coach Beard going to his house and forgiving him is one of the best scenes in recent television.
Another good one is Emerald Sustrai from RWBY.😊
I fully agree with the Weeds entry. The first few seasons of the show are mostly fun, and Nancy is only a bit of a jerk. However, starting with season 4 and going forward, she becomes more and more of a villain, and the show starts to lose its magic. The final seasons are a slog.
4:47 you forgot to say the love of a great woman or his true love or even his Soulmates can and has made the evilest ones become great
If there a animated show characters don't deserve redeem i would pick the female general in 3 below because she ready to experiment on the alien siblings and make deal with general morando for his army her sacrifice in the last episode was so rush and out of her characters
I refered to Lynn McGill as "Rudy the hobbit".
I havnt watched walking dead since carl died but i can see why they would try to redeem negan three words jeffrey dean morgan the man is sexy and an incredible actor to boot when hes on screen he steals the show but there is only so long before a villian gets killed off by a main good guy(probably maggie)and since hes so incredible to watch they had to redeem him
Chuck Bass and Alisson Dilaurentis from Gossip Girl and Pretty Little Liars are also horrible characters that coasted on their actors' charisma and writers' desperation
Walter White!
The governor was a bad guy playing a good character, negan was a good character playing a bad guy. He had to do the shit he did to maintain the respect of all the saviors.if hed showed even the slightest bit of sympathy or remorse it would have made him look weak and wouldn't have demanded the respect of his subordinates. He became bad because of the saviors, and those douchebag bikers. I hated him in season seven the first time you meet him, he was so cold and cruel. Hit glen once, and then turned around to monologue for two minutes while the dude choked on his own blood, forced him to suffer immensely and drew it out. It was disgusting. And then the way he smacks rick in the face and makes him beg and squall like a baby for him not to make him cut his own sons arm off. Glenn and abrahams deaths were not justified by any means. They go around killing people and threatening whoever's left to scavenge stuff FOR THEM. Seems like asking for trouble in my opinion.
Did this dude just say a character being a r-pist isn’t violent
Y’al don’t really do animated stuff so not surprised it ain’t on here, but Catra is She-Ra was a real stretch.
Like I’m not saying it’s bad she had a change of heart or needed to die or something, but when you end up in such a sunk-cost fallacy you’re trying to blow up reality to spite your pseudo ex-GF because all your attempted murder and colluding with fascists didn’t make her regret dropping you, like… even if you have a last minute heel-face turn, maybe your epilogue needs to be “prison”, not “gets the girl”.
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How is Spike from Buffy/Angel not on this list?!
Why do you think Spike didn't deserve to be redeemed?
@rmo8267 whilst his redemption arc was done very well, he definitely didn't deserve it. Centuries travelling the world and slaughtering thousands surely doesn't deserve redemption. Especially given that even when he did get his soul back he still tried to rape buffy
@@richardwallace7845 actually, the attempted rape happened before he got his soul and was the catalyst for his motivation to fight for his soul. It was still very heinous though and I'm not excusing it. But in the same vein, what do you think of Angel's redemption arc? (I Still love Angel. Don't get me wrong). I love to get others opinions on this subject bc I love the differences in both characters.
Some are of the option, myself included, that Spike's redemption was more deserved than Angel's bc while Angel had his soul forced on him, Spike wanted his. Also, while Angel didn't have his soul he was a sadistic sociopath who tried to end the world. Whereas when Spike didn't have his soul, he teamed up with Buffy multiple times to save the world (even if for partly selfish reasons) and was kind hearted to Joyce and Dawn. He was even weirdly kind to Willow when he was trying to kill her right after he got his Chip and was suffering from "performance" issues.
It's also interesting to note their differences when they were human. William (Spike) was a kind and gentle man whereas Liam (Angel) was a philandering, gambling drunk. I wonder if those personality differences affected who they were once they were without souls.
Negan is a great villain and character but the show trying to make him a sorta good guy is hard to swallow
Negan was a much better character as the bad guy, he went soft and lost any edge he had
I completely disagree with you on Negan. Otherwise, a decent video, but putting him on this list as no. 2 is ridiculous in my opinion. Especially when there's unredeemable nasty human beings there like T-Bag or Sylar who literally killed people for pleasure in a perfectly functioning society. Even at his worst, even though he was definitely no angel, Negan was very selective and had somewhat of a moral code with a LOT of patience and forgiveness for misbehavior. He despised r*pe, never hurt children and was very generous with how many characters he'd kill off as punishment. Rick and his crew would go on killing sprees, over and over, killing dozens and dozens of his people. And he'd still give them countless chances. He was brutal but had his reasons, especially considering TWD's postapocalyptic setting. He was a flawed man, but directly killed far less people than Rick and his group, and despite him having a very twisted view on what 'keeping everyone alive' meant, I think he was very redeemable from an objective point of view. Especially considering his true remorse as shown in conversations with others and literally himself given his past actions.
Anyway, I'm ranting when no one's gonna read this,, as if I don't have better things to do LOL...Enough nerd talk. Peace.
*cough,* Damon Salvatore,
Michelle Yeoh is phenomenal but the writing for her on Discovery is terrible. Ugh bleak Star Trek is so terrible and sad 😭
Top ten tv redeemed animated characters that didn't deserve it
No sue sylvester from glee?
She was awful the whole series and ended up vp of the USA
"Redeemed"
24 goes after season 2s nuke episode and becoming ridiculous, because even after the sacrifice and the explosion it. has. no. effect after all ... just a character hot killed off. And they repeated that over and over again. Even with Jack Bauer, the character is killed and revived few times starting with season 1. Lost interest with the beginnt of season 4; it starts with that lame, idealess, repeating lazy writing
"The entire cast of Charmed especially Alyssa Milano."
-Colonel Gentleman.
It's pronounced Georgeo - it's french dude. Please look up how to pronounce stuff.
Negean saced them from alpha and always fought n was a useful asset n saved lydia deserved it
Please don't take the Lord's name in vain.