Let's settle the Firehawk vs. SS dispute here - In 2001 both cars had a BASE hp rating of 325. There was an OPTIONAL exhaust package for both cars which raised it to 335. In 2002 both cars still had a BASE rating of 325. The optional exhaust still gave 335. But for ONE YEAR ONLY there was an ADDITIONAL cold air intake option which with the exhaust made 345. Neither car out-performed the other. Same rating if optioned the same. You'll just hear guys with the intake or exhaust kits down talking other guys claiming the Pontiacs are slower or the other way around. So the fact that they say that the Hawk has 10 more hp than the SS here, it's because of the high flow exhaust. What's strange is that in the video the Pontiac has an EGR passage on the front of the intake manifold which was removed for 2001. Only '98's - '00's have that front EGR tubing . . . . . . . . .
I have the $345 horsepower option from SLP which was just an air cleaner lid from SLP that's supposedly gave 10 more horsepower with the 10 horsepower on the exhaust either center or dual dual
@@marcusevangeliste7426 yep. My point exactly. I'm an owner of a 345 center exhaust SS car. These cars are equal performers if they were optioned the same.
@@chevyfan1251992 My 1998 z28 automatic stock did 105mph at sea level in 60 degree weather. it was only rated at 305hp. With a lid, 224/224 114lsa cam, catback, and dyno tune it did 340rwhp and 108-109 in the 1/4. So stock it must have been about 290rwhp which means it must have been closer to 340 to the crank stock. my 2004 z06 stock is rated at 405hp (350rwhp) and has trapped 112-115mph in the 1/4 which accounts for the weight difference and better gearing compared to my 98 auto
It's really sad that Ford didn't put out a Mustang GT that matched this until 2011. I say that as someone who has always had Mustangs. Ford REALLY fucked this whole thing up, but didn't care because the Mustang outsold both the Camaro and Firebird combined. What a world.
That Iroc spoiler is totally badass. I fell in love with it on sight. Banked on it becoming an option for all colors in '02, which it was. Placed my order for a fully loaded 6m red one in February 2002. I will die owning both my birds.
That's awesome man! I got my 1994 25th Anniversary Trans-Am LT1 w/6-speed in 1996 while I was still in high school. My second was a 2002 Firehawk Trans-Am LS1 w/6-speed and I love it. Just like you I refuse to give either of them up.
+pontiacGXPfan That's not necessarily true. Despite all of the tree huggers yapping about such things as fuel economy, hybrids/electrics, visions of autonomous cars, carless cities and bullet trains, today is still a much better time to be a muscle/pony car fan than back in the late 1990s and early 2000s. These types of cars were a dying breed back in 2001 as the segment was being squeezed out by Asian sport compacts and big SUVs and pickup trucks. Today, we have Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers that'll blow the doors off these old F-Bodies. Since then, the tables have turned, and American muscle is back in the spotlight. Today's pony cars are better in every conceivable way. Despite all of that, I can still relate, and would still love to own a 1998-2002 Trans Am WS6 one day myself. Those were my dream cars back when I was in high school, and I hated GM for a long time after they axed the Camaro and Firebird.
+Black Sunshine Well one thing going for Late 90s Camaros and Firebirds is there price... they're pretty cheap and they happen to have one of the greatest V8 platfroms ever conceived. Too you can swap in just about any LSX engine you could find in the GM parts catalogue. They can make awesome canvases for imaginative gear heads.
jeadelmann90 No doubt. If I had 8-10k laying around right now then I'd be seriously looking for one. A 1998-2002 Trans Am WS6 would look pretty good sitting next to my 2006 Mustang GT.
Black Sunshine Yep! Although I'd be careful about buying inexpensive Fbodies... people beat the shit out of the cheap ones... But the LS series are fantastic engines and there's such an aftermarket for performance upgrades it's unbelievable.
I reluctantly sold my 2000 Camaro SS and 6 months later bought a 2002 WS6 Trans Am. Just love 4th Gens. I have a bad urge to own an SS again and keep the WS6 too!
I had a 2000 Trans Am, WS6, automatic transmission, the car ran a 13:21 ET. I bought the car new and traded it in on an Audi A8 in 2002. I miss the Trans Am !
Tengo un Trans Am WS6 2002 y estoy muy satisfecho con esa compra, a pesar de que la suspensión es muy dura, los asientos son muy cómodos. ¿y la aceleración? pues magnífica, V8 5.7L 325hp, ya se imaginarán.
Gotta love the Firehawks. I have a 97 formula WS6, which I like more than the later 4th gens. An LT1 with bolt on mods is a beast. 4th gear chirps are easily done.
I want to see a Blackbird test drive... those things are devastating powerwise, sound wise, and naturally aspirated make 140-150 more hp with the same motor.
That Firehawk is a beautiful car, and I would definately take it over that SS. My personal favorites are the 77 T/A's and the 81 Z28's. I had a 80 Z28 as my first car, I loved that car.
The 10th anniverary should have been 2002. Yeah I know 1992-2001 is 10 actual model years but the way most people count it they could have called it 1992-2002 and then the 10th anniv would have also been the last year of the F-bodies, making it even more special. As it were, they didn't sell that great as most collector minded people waited until 2002 to see what kind of annniversary package GM would offer. I started to buy a 10th but waited for the last year myself even though I loved the black/gold scheme. Nonetheless all Firehawks are awesome!
Lee N sorry bro but you are wrong. 98 & 99 & 00 ls1s have the old style ls1 intake and 01, 02 had ls6 style intake. ive had several ls1 cars. the EGR on the ls6 style intake is in a different place. google it
in 2001-2002 that hose for the EGR was no longer there..yet in these pictures it is showing me that the car that was filmed was actually a 2000 and earlier model..anyone who knows anything about the LS1's knows that they actually had 350HP out of the box..and some have even dipped into he high 12's with DR's...GM greatly under-rated them...times of high 12's just with DR's prove that.
My 95 is a 5 speed , don't quote me but i think the tremec 6 speed came out the same year as the LS ( 1998 ) i think . 2001 definatly would be a 6 speed though , or the 4 speed auto .
rpm9621282 Yes mine is a 6 cylinder (until it blows and becomes an LS) . I will keep my Camaro until they outlaw gas engines , i hope to die before they force me into a self driving box . All the new cars are crippled by safety equipment , and driver nannies which makes them stupid and heavy . And the price for a top model Camaro has more than doubled since 2001 .
Ok makes sense, the v6s never got the 6speed. I had a blast with my 93 TA, but I am having even more fun now with my 09 Z06 :) My buddy has a bone stock 01 SS that ran a solid 12.7 with only drag radials and a rear gear swap. It's on my channel if you wanna get it out.
13.5 quarter mile? BS! more like 13.0 or slightly better. They really made sure not to upset GM and Chevys corvette times back then, didn't they? lmao damn that's a straight lie.
The track they tested on is 75and80 in MD. I sued to go there, notice its uphill and not flat also the track tarmac was not good at all. The track you could say was slow. So the numbers they observed are conservative. They miles per hour should be a better indicator of what you could get at a better track and HP.
Yardie Noh OMG where are you getting this from? T-5s were NEVER installed in C4 Corvettes or any other Corvette. Do some homework before you make false statements for everyone to read.
Stk.,Non SLP FIREHAWKS,Believe Were 325 h.p. on the LS1's, Slightly Below the WS6's 345,in 2001 & 02.?I Was Interested in the 97 HURST LINGENNELTER FIREBIRD LTD. PROD.OF 50,That U Had to Go Thru LINGENNELTER to Order it,Till I Found Out it was $42,000 Grand.Ported Heads,Stiffer Valve Springs,Borla Exhaust,& Beefed Up Brakes ,Which A Good Speed Shop Could do For U,A Lot Cheaper, That Believe Was the LT 1 MTR.
i run a 95 formula and to be honest, i wasted too much money with bolt ons and ported heads. scrapped that set up and am currently installing a 6.0 vortec from a 2500hd. she will then be a true beast.
I had a 2001 WS6 6-spd. Corsa Cat Back, free flow cats, Shorty headers, and a tune, with 355 315 nittos, This car beat cars that ran 11:8’s in a 1/4 mile, from a roll in first gear, anything that ran 12’s in a 1/4 mile, I would gap by 2-3 car car links . 1-4th gear, they taught I was spraying NOS.. Funniest car I ever owned ..
4:17 I think the driver missed a gear or two... sounded like the RPMs dropped from around 5,000 to 3,000. I wonder if he went from 1st to 4th instead of to 2nd...
wes patton like i said, the cars pictured weren't the actual cars driven...in 2001 the LS1 lost the bigger cam, but gained a better intake manifold..no mention of the cam's being smaller ; 98-2000 202/210..496/496..vs 2001-2002 ; 197/207..467/479..116lsa for both..best deal around is to get the 2000 and replace the intake with the LS6 ...motor week cannot drag race a car to save there lives.
realgraff16 Yes they definitely can. These cars are the most significantly underestimated, under rated and over looked F-bodys Ever produced. These things are awesome! With my Non SLP 2000 SS T56 6-speed I ran 13.1@107 with 80k odo with the original and tired clutch. My Buddy had a stock 2001 A4 Trans Am and managed 13.2@106 and he's less than a good driver. I have posted videos of both cars runnin the aforementioned times. LS1 F-Bodys keep pace with '13 5.0 and '13 SS Camaros. That's the truth
Midnight81ta-- true, but engines in the past HAD to produce that amount of hp, BECAUSE OF THEIR WEIGHT! most 2nd, 3rd gen cars were made of steel making them weight 3.5k pounds, when most cars of today weigh around 2.5-3k
Wait did he say this car has a standard 5 speed manual transmission? I think that is a mistake cause all manual fbody's come with a 6 speed so I highly doubt that slp swapped out the 6 speed for a 5 speed. It makes no sense so that has to be a mistake!!!
My 1999 Trans am ran 6 speed ran 12.88 @110 dead stock back in 2003 when I bought it. Gears, air lid and cat back it went 12.23@114. Still have hit....although it's way faster now....
This is a disgrace to F bodies everywhere. Not a 2001 because it's not the ls6 intake. The 5 speed misnomer, the launch they showed was atrocious. If your best time is 13.5 at 108 you need to go back and try again because that is indicative of a low low 13 sec pass with that mph. Also if you take the same exact fucking car and do a completely different time and 1 mph off trap speed you know they can't drive for shit
I like the bird better but looks like the only difference if it was accurate footage was the driver blew the tires off of the Camaro more so than the bird.
the problem is they only ran these once... these things run low 13s stock. they are not far behind from the current Camaros... so either GM is making boats with V8s currently, or the LS1 is just a better motor as far as the powerband goes even with less ponies from the factory.
John Nelson DEFINITELY boats. The 5th gens are PIGS it's atrocious. I was able to go 13.6 @ 102 in my 98 Z/28 6 speed 100% stock (literally the weakest LS1 ever made) at sea level... My first day at the track. No offense to 5th gen owners, but a lot of them that opt for the 6 speed can't drive and they are in the 14s... Awful. The auto ones are obviously more consistent, but for their power they are disappointing to me. The 5.0 S197 Mustangs wipe the street and track with 5th gen Slowmaros. They are just simply too heavy.
+Marcus Mar really are 5th gen was quick. We always had 3 people in it and we always seemed to beat corvettes, zl1s, and mustangs. We had 485 to the wheels
***** Lol You have to know that was my attempt at being 'funny'. I was in a goofy mood that day when I made that comment. I wouldn't even consider my car a rice burner because I think of those as little modded civics and what not that would beat my car. Mine is just a plain little sedan that gets 39 mpg. I love these F bodies. God bless
Man you guys are mean. Yes your 390 hp advertised charger is the shit,but you have to understand a 2002 camaro z28 all-motor which means you can take the engine out and turn back the coilers and rods to perform under higher revs and hp ,+ adding a turbo and supercharger = holy shit 900 hp I know a kid who gots a old 1991 pontiac trans am ,he all motor'd it and its 400 hp and hit all the way to 600 tq on the dyno scale so your hemi's are shit compared to stock cars,not street.
First time I've heard someone else refer to these as pony cars. One time I said that to my wife, she looked at me like i was crazy. Apparently in her mind only Mustangs are pony's.
The FIREBIRD is FASTER than the comparably-equipped CAMARO because PONTIAC was smart enough to place it's hood scoop CLOSER to the FRONT of the car...where MORE AIR FLOW is available ...while the chevy's HOOD SCOOP was FURTHER BACK. With the SAME ENGINE and TRANSMISSION , The FIREBIRD hit 5.1 0-60 & a 13.5 quarter mile @ 108 MPH, VS. the Camaro SS' time of 0-60 in 5.5 seconds and quarter-mile time of 13.8 seconds @ 107 MPH . All road tests of the two at the time placed the FIREBIRD faster than the CAMARO .
William2552 the "ram air hood" on the camaro is not functional,the air intakes on both cars are placed at the front under the hoods exact same place. I love the look of both and at least the trans am has somewhat of a real "ram air hood".....Its got function but not in the sense as the 93-97 trans am and camaro had. For the camaro the 97 SS was the last year for those to have a full function ram air hood. I want the SS hood for my 97 z28 66spd
williamg2552 There's no way in hell a LS1 ss Camaro runs 13.8 in the 1/4. I read in 5.0 mustang and superfords magazine that the 2002 Camaro ran a 13.0 flat compared to the 03 cobra's 12.8. As far as normal ws6 firebirds I have seen bone stock birds run 13.3s to 13.6s at the track I go to on 35 degree cold nights. I raced a stock ss Camaro with exhaust and he ran a 13.1 next to me.
I had an '02 Trans Am Firehawk and all I had was a power programmer on it and I was consistently running 12.87 @ 111 all day
What happened to that Demon looking car?
@@wood4278 what happened to your fire hawk ?🔥🦅🔥
@@470HELLEPHANT Sold it...HUGE mistake...wish I can take that decision back
@@wood4278 I can assure you the devil himself is driving that Firehawk ! That car looks demonized 🔥🦅🔥
@@470HELLEPHANT Yes...I miss that monster...6 speed T-tops it was a blast in the summertime to cruise
I was 13 years only at that time. And now i am 25 and i own it
Same here I'm 25 and I own a 2002 Camaro SLP
Auto or manual
It's a auto :/ but I couldn't find a stock SLP camaro that was a 6 speed and so I found my car with only 31k miles and it was completely stock
Wish you all best with your trans mine is manual and stock just the stereo swapped with jvc device :p
Yea I know haha but I'm just gonna add a shift kit to protect it more
The 4th gen F-body cars still hold their own even today!
I agree! Check mine out on my channel sometime
Let's settle the Firehawk vs. SS dispute here -
In 2001 both cars had a BASE hp rating of 325. There was an OPTIONAL exhaust package for both cars which raised it to 335.
In 2002 both cars still had a BASE rating of 325. The optional exhaust still gave 335. But for ONE YEAR ONLY there was an ADDITIONAL cold air intake option which with the exhaust made 345.
Neither car out-performed the other. Same rating if optioned the same. You'll just hear guys with the intake or exhaust kits down talking other guys claiming the Pontiacs are slower or the other way around.
So the fact that they say that the Hawk has 10 more hp than the SS here, it's because of the high flow exhaust.
What's strange is that in the video the Pontiac has an EGR passage on the front of the intake manifold which was removed for 2001. Only '98's - '00's have that front EGR tubing . . . . . . . . .
My 01 vs 02 s10 is the same way
I have the $345 horsepower option from SLP which was just an air cleaner lid from SLP that's supposedly gave 10 more horsepower with the 10 horsepower on the exhaust either center or dual dual
@@marcusevangeliste7426 yep. My point exactly. I'm an owner of a 345 center exhaust SS car. These cars are equal performers if they were optioned the same.
@@chevyfan1251992 My 1998 z28 automatic stock did 105mph at sea level in 60 degree weather. it was only rated at 305hp. With a lid, 224/224 114lsa cam, catback, and dyno tune it did 340rwhp and 108-109 in the 1/4. So stock it must have been about 290rwhp which means it must have been closer to 340 to the crank stock. my 2004 z06 stock is rated at 405hp (350rwhp) and has trapped 112-115mph in the 1/4 which accounts for the weight difference and better gearing compared to my 98 auto
The Camaro had the optioal exhaust here.
It's really sad that Ford didn't put out a Mustang GT that matched this until 2011. I say that as someone who has always had Mustangs. Ford REALLY fucked this whole thing up, but didn't care because the Mustang outsold both the Camaro and Firebird combined. What a world.
driver returs on foot and a suck born every second, thats what ford knows lolololol. quality o not so much !
That Iroc spoiler is totally badass. I fell in love with it on sight. Banked on it becoming an option for all colors in '02, which it was. Placed my order for a fully loaded 6m red one in February 2002. I will die owning both my birds.
Sound like awesome cars. Any videos?
That's awesome man! I got my 1994 25th Anniversary Trans-Am LT1 w/6-speed in 1996 while I was still in high school. My second was a 2002 Firehawk Trans-Am LS1 w/6-speed and I love it. Just like you I refuse to give either of them up.
i miss cars like this. All we hear about nowadays is fuel economy this and fuel economy that.
+pontiacGXPfan
That's not necessarily true. Despite all of the tree huggers yapping about such things as fuel economy, hybrids/electrics, visions of autonomous cars, carless cities and bullet trains, today is still a much better time to be a muscle/pony car fan than back in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
These types of cars were a dying breed back in 2001 as the segment was being squeezed out by Asian sport compacts and big SUVs and pickup trucks. Today, we have Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers that'll blow the doors off these old F-Bodies. Since then, the tables have turned, and American muscle is back in the spotlight.
Today's pony cars are better in every conceivable way. Despite all of that, I can still relate, and would still love to own a 1998-2002 Trans Am WS6 one day myself. Those were my dream cars back when I was in high school, and I hated GM for a long time after they axed the Camaro and Firebird.
+Black Sunshine Well one thing going for Late 90s Camaros and Firebirds is there price... they're pretty cheap and they happen to have one of the greatest V8 platfroms ever conceived. Too you can swap in just about any LSX engine you could find in the GM parts catalogue. They can make awesome canvases for imaginative gear heads.
jeadelmann90 No doubt. If I had 8-10k laying around right now then I'd be seriously looking for one. A 1998-2002 Trans Am WS6 would look pretty good sitting next to my 2006 Mustang GT.
Black Sunshine Yep! Although I'd be careful about buying inexpensive Fbodies... people beat the shit out of the cheap ones... But the LS series are fantastic engines and there's such an aftermarket for performance upgrades it's unbelievable.
this is an F-Body. Every one is the cheap one
I reluctantly sold my 2000 Camaro SS and 6 months later bought a 2002 WS6 Trans Am. Just love 4th Gens. I have a bad urge to own an SS again and keep the WS6 too!
At least you have one! Mine is a 02 SS with heads and cam making 426 hp at the wheels. Have some sound clips on my channel
I had a 2000 Trans Am, WS6, automatic transmission, the car ran a 13:21 ET. I bought the car new and traded it in on an Audi A8 in 2002. I miss the Trans Am !
Tengo un Trans Am WS6 2002 y estoy muy satisfecho con esa compra, a pesar de que la suspensión es muy dura, los asientos son muy cómodos. ¿y la aceleración? pues magnífica, V8 5.7L 325hp, ya se imaginarán.
Gotta love the Firehawks. I have a 97 formula WS6, which I like more than the later 4th gens. An LT1 with bolt on mods is a beast. 4th gear chirps are easily done.
The 92 Firehawk was the best. High hp and torque
All manual transmission 4th gen f bodys LT1 and LS1 had the t56 6-speed transmission. There was no 5-speed in a v8 f-body. V6 did though.
Correct
I want to see a Blackbird test drive... those things are devastating powerwise, sound wise, and naturally aspirated make 140-150 more hp with the same motor.
i think he meant 6 speed?
The great John Davis stands corrected.
Read my mind, I had to rewind to make sure it wasn’t an slp part like the auburn diff
Driver error, you see that wheel spin and short shift into 2nd?
That Firehawk is a beautiful car, and I would definately take it over that SS. My personal favorites are the 77 T/A's and the 81 Z28's. I had a 80 Z28 as my first car, I loved that car.
I love the Firehawk you can have those for such a reasonable price. What sexy cars
I was 4 years old at this time and now i own one and i loveee it to death
The 10th anniverary should have been 2002. Yeah I know 1992-2001 is 10 actual model years but the way most people count it they could have called it 1992-2002 and then the 10th anniv would have also been the last year of the F-bodies, making it even more special. As it were, they didn't sell that great as most collector minded people waited until 2002 to see what kind of annniversary package GM would offer. I started to buy a 10th but waited for the last year myself even though I loved the black/gold scheme. Nonetheless all Firehawks are awesome!
the Firehawk debuted in 1991 hence 1991-2001 10 year anniversary of the Firehawk
98 WS6 Convertible..exhaust and headers only with a tune.12.8 on street tires.
I could be wrong but I believe all 2001 & 2002 f bodies came with Ls6 intakes, those are not Ls6 intakes
you are right
They did not. The Corvette came with the LS6 intake. Keeping the LS1 intake on the Fbody kept HP in check.
Lee N sorry bro but you are wrong. 98 & 99 & 00 ls1s have the old style ls1 intake and 01, 02 had ls6 style intake. ive had several ls1 cars. the EGR on the ls6 style intake is in a different place. google it
This Firebird looks much better than this Camaro.
That's a good question. Maybe this was an early build press car. Like you stated, LS1 engines don't come equipped with an EGR from '01-'04.
in 2001-2002 that hose for the EGR was no longer there..yet in these pictures it is showing me that the car that was filmed was actually a 2000 and earlier model..anyone who knows anything about the LS1's knows that they actually had 350HP out of the box..and some have even dipped into he high 12's with DR's...GM greatly under-rated them...times of high 12's just with DR's prove that.
brian centi yup, a friend of mine was running 12.9's with some dr's with a 2002
Did he say 5speed?? 1:50 they had 6 speeds since 93
My 95 is a 5 speed , don't quote me but i think the tremec 6 speed came out the same year as the LS ( 1998 ) i think . 2001 definatly would be a 6 speed though , or the 4 speed auto .
Was your 95 a v6? Cause every single 93-2002 V8 manual I have ever worked on was a 6speed
And no 92 vettes got the 6 speed and the Fbodys the year after
rpm9621282 Yes mine is a 6 cylinder (until it blows and becomes an LS) . I will keep my Camaro until they outlaw gas engines , i hope to die before they force me into a self driving box . All the new cars are crippled by safety equipment , and driver nannies which makes them stupid and heavy . And the price for a top model Camaro has more than doubled since 2001 .
Ok makes sense, the v6s never got the 6speed. I had a blast with my 93 TA, but I am having even more fun now with my 09 Z06 :)
My buddy has a bone stock 01 SS that ran a solid 12.7 with only drag radials and a rear gear swap. It's on my channel if you wanna get it out.
13.5 quarter mile? BS! more like 13.0 or slightly better. They really made sure not to upset GM and Chevys corvette times back then, didn't they? lmao damn that's a straight lie.
I thought that for sure...i had an 01 z28 with a borla exhaust and it consistently ran 13.3s
My 98 Firebird Formula with cat back ran 13.3 @ 107.8
I went 13.5 because of wheel spin.
The track they tested on is 75and80 in MD. I sued to go there, notice its uphill and not flat also the track tarmac was not good at all. The track you could say was slow. So the numbers they observed are conservative. They miles per hour should be a better indicator of what you could get at a better track and HP.
My 2001 corvette Z06 ran a 12.8 @118 mph NO COMPARISON
My bone stock 01 ta ram air auto with 3:23 from factory ran 13:50 and a best of 13:41 325hp.in Michigan.back in 2002-2004.
Back in 98, My 98 Firebird Formula 6 sp ran 13.35 @ 107.9mph bone stock and made 317hp to the wheels. GM underated these cars
Awesome looks, lots of muscle, aggressive muscle cars!
I agree! You might like mine on my channel
No 5 speed it should be a t-56 right ?
+Hale Cooley I noticed that too... should be a 6-speed. 5-speed was the T5 out of the C4 vette.
I thought these cars had 6speed manual ? 😒 He said 5speed, thats wrong,,,,,
Yardie Noh OMG where are you getting this from? T-5s were NEVER installed in C4 Corvettes or any other Corvette. Do some homework before you make false statements for everyone to read.
My 2001 Z28 with an automatic goes 13.5 seconds...and that was my first time out to the drag strip.
The 92 firehawk was faster to 60 and in the quarter mile.
These cars are worth every penny sip or not
I have to make a appointment with my hearing test as my left eardrum just failed.
Ive owned both cars. Fun to drive
The 95 lt1 fire Hawks were rated at 315 hp. The ls1 has to have closer to 350-360
Stk.,Non SLP FIREHAWKS,Believe Were 325 h.p. on the LS1's, Slightly Below the WS6's 345,in 2001 & 02.?I Was Interested in the 97 HURST LINGENNELTER FIREBIRD LTD. PROD.OF 50,That U Had to Go Thru LINGENNELTER to Order it,Till I Found Out it was $42,000 Grand.Ported Heads,Stiffer Valve Springs,Borla Exhaust,& Beefed Up Brakes ,Which A Good Speed Shop Could do For U,A Lot Cheaper, That Believe Was the LT 1 MTR.
He said "a 5 speed." Lol
Joe dirt ! Joe Dirt ! JOE DIRT! I want this car or a mustang Cobra 🐍! I’m saving up for one I just sold my 1998 Mustang GT
Fire hawks have had 6-speeds from 91-02
Naw 6speed was offered in the fbody in 1993 only 93 to.02 .
i run a 95 formula and to be honest, i wasted too much money with bolt ons and ported heads. scrapped that set up and am currently installing a 6.0 vortec from a 2500hd. she will then be a true beast.
I had a 2001 WS6 6-spd.
Corsa Cat Back, free flow cats, Shorty headers, and a tune, with 355 315 nittos,
This car beat cars that ran
11:8’s in a 1/4 mile, from a roll in first gear, anything that ran
12’s in a 1/4 mile, I would gap by 2-3 car car links . 1-4th gear, they taught I was spraying NOS..
Funniest car I ever owned ..
on a side node this is why audio is more important than video quality
4:17 I think the driver missed a gear or two... sounded like the RPMs dropped from around 5,000 to 3,000. I wonder if he went from 1st to 4th instead of to 2nd...
bnewall1 it’s possible, the 4th gens had skip shifts that took the the car from 1st to 4th gear under certain circumstances
The pinnacle of the F-body Chevy vs. Pontiac. Long live PBS!
You can see the shift pattern on the console (6 speed)...
Did he say a 5 speed
Yes, I caught that too lol
The SS is NOT a high 13 sec car either
It’s the same almost a 12 sec car and both cars will go 12s on sticky tires
jw, is the firehawk considered a collectors car?? or is it just some model that was fancy at the time but not valued as much now
2001 had the LS6 intake the SS camaro in this video didn't
you are correct, that means the SS would be down at least 10hp
wes patton like i said, the cars pictured weren't the actual cars driven...in 2001 the LS1 lost the bigger cam, but gained a better intake manifold..no mention of the cam's being smaller ; 98-2000 202/210..496/496..vs 2001-2002 ; 197/207..467/479..116lsa for both..best deal around is to get the 2000 and replace the intake with the LS6 ...motor week cannot drag race a car to save there lives.
Sorry I didn't read all the comments I just commented after I watched the video.
wes patton that is what i have done so many times..lolol..it's all good :)
The firehawk had the auburn high torqe differential.
That FireHawk is a sexy beast!
Ive had both. 4 the$$ nothin beats these vars. Fast fast fast . Will still beat most cars today and there 20 yrs old.
13.8 second quarter mile for the SS? I own a 2000 SS, and I'm going to have to call bullshit.
Yeah really poor car needed a driver mod. That's a 13.0 car all day but that's how they were with these reviews
realgraff16 Yes they definitely can. These cars are the most significantly underestimated, under rated and over looked F-bodys Ever produced. These things are awesome! With my Non SLP 2000 SS T56 6-speed I ran 13.1@107 with 80k odo with the original and tired clutch. My Buddy had a stock 2001 A4 Trans Am and managed 13.2@106 and he's less than a good driver. I have posted videos of both cars runnin the aforementioned times. LS1 F-Bodys keep pace with '13 5.0 and '13 SS Camaros. That's the truth
You ss is a slp lol all SS for 96 to.02 where slp cars as where the firehawks
I'd rather have the 3800V6, don't need the V8
Midnight81ta-- true, but engines in the past HAD to produce that amount of hp, BECAUSE OF THEIR WEIGHT! most 2nd, 3rd gen cars were made of steel making them weight 3.5k pounds, when most cars of today weigh around 2.5-3k
Wait did he say this car has a standard 5 speed manual transmission? I think that is a mistake cause all manual fbody's come with a 6 speed so I highly doubt that slp swapped out the 6 speed for a 5 speed. It makes no sense so that has to be a mistake!!!
steve v it is a 6 speed. When he is talking about it you can see the diagram above the stick showing where the gear positions are.
older cars weighed less, the 4th gen 4 bodys weight 3550ish and new camaros chargers mustangs challengers weigh 3600-4100
going 13s stock is harsh but I went 13.8 @100.2 in my 94 m6 z. hypertech only and weak launch. Dino what happened here but the maro seemed flat.
Best soundtrack EVAR!
The best F-Body award from me .
13.8 at 108 in the SS good grief man
I’m pretty sure those had a six speed stick, not a five speed.
pontiac all day every day
love the slp tips
Getting my 2002 this summer :D
Guys, he was trolling us by saying 5 speed! We all know 6th gear is completely USELESS in these cars ;)
Lmao he said 5 speed lol
My 1999 Trans am ran 6 speed ran 12.88 @110 dead stock back in 2003 when I bought it. Gears, air lid and cat back it went 12.23@114. Still have hit....although it's way faster now....
no ls1 f-bodies had egrs after 2000
This is a disgrace to F bodies everywhere. Not a 2001 because it's not the ls6 intake. The 5 speed misnomer, the launch they showed was atrocious. If your best time is 13.5 at 108 you need to go back and try again because that is indicative of a low low 13 sec pass with that mph. Also if you take the same exact fucking car and do a completely different time and 1 mph off trap speed you know they can't drive for shit
i wish they wouldve put a normal trans am spoiler on it. so much better!
Gorgeous!
i was wondering if others noticed that too
5 speed transmission?
I thought they had 6 speeds?
They were 6 speed.
WOW AWESOME
I want that firehawk wing 😩😭
I like the bird better but looks like the only difference if it was accurate footage was the driver blew the tires off of the Camaro more so than the bird.
Did he say 4 speed?
adam yup lol, he messed up
13.5 @ 108? spin city lolz
Said the same thing Marc .
the problem is they only ran these once... these things run low 13s stock. they are not far behind from the current Camaros... so either GM is making boats with V8s currently, or the LS1 is just a better motor as far as the powerband goes even with less ponies from the factory.
John Nelson DEFINITELY boats. The 5th gens are PIGS it's atrocious. I was able to go 13.6 @ 102 in my 98 Z/28 6 speed 100% stock (literally the weakest LS1 ever made) at sea level... My first day at the track. No offense to 5th gen owners, but a lot of them that opt for the 6 speed can't drive and they are in the 14s... Awful. The auto ones are obviously more consistent, but for their power they are disappointing to me. The 5.0 S197 Mustangs wipe the street and track with 5th gen Slowmaros. They are just simply too heavy.
+Marcus Mar really are 5th gen was quick. We always had 3 people in it and we always seemed to beat corvettes, zl1s, and mustangs. We had 485 to the wheels
How do you know they only ran them once?
This video is like, Superman vs Clark Kent!!! Lol
5.5 seconds?...... I got mine to do 4.8 on street tires and a bad clutch. Now that i have an LS7 clutch i spin third :)
5 speed transmission? lol wrong. 6 was standard.
and the SLP SS has 345HP
5 speed manual?? lol 6 speed
They were 6 speed not 5. The t56
can these trans ams take the beating of burnouts?
I love em both
This video looks like it was made in the mid 90's
Right !
If this is an 01 why does it have an egr valve? 1:35
its worth ah little more , but its really just a graphics package maybe a few more horses
I never see Camaro ss fbody on the road
Glad to say mine is still on the road. I even have some videos of mine on my channel too
Nice car. L9ve my 1995
why in the HELL! would pontiac discontinue the firebird!
Insanity
My 2006 Nissan sentra with a 1.8L four banger would SMOKE this thing.
***** Lol You have to know that was my attempt at being 'funny'. I was in a goofy mood that day when I made that comment. I wouldn't even consider my car a rice burner because I think of those as little modded civics and what not that would beat my car. Mine is just a plain little sedan that gets 39 mpg. I love these F bodies. God bless
Man you guys are mean. Yes your 390 hp advertised charger is the shit,but you have to understand a 2002 camaro z28 all-motor which means you can take the engine out and turn back the coilers and rods to perform under higher revs and hp ,+ adding a turbo and supercharger = holy shit 900 hp
I know a kid who gots a old 1991 pontiac trans am ,he all motor'd it and its 400 hp and hit all the way to 600 tq on the dyno scale so your hemi's are shit compared to stock cars,not street.
Wow, the 1997 SS camaro with the lt4 was faster than these two ls1 ponys.
First time I've heard someone else refer to these as pony cars. One time I said that to my wife, she looked at me like i was crazy. Apparently in her mind only Mustangs are pony's.
Don't know why GM would keep Buick with this mid-size sedan lineup and extinguish cars like that or the GTO, guess sales are #1.....:[
A 5spd , ok?
The FIREBIRD is FASTER than the comparably-equipped CAMARO because PONTIAC was smart enough to place it's hood scoop CLOSER to the FRONT of the car...where MORE AIR FLOW is available ...while the chevy's HOOD SCOOP was FURTHER BACK. With the SAME ENGINE and TRANSMISSION , The FIREBIRD hit 5.1 0-60 & a 13.5 quarter mile @ 108 MPH, VS. the Camaro SS' time of 0-60 in 5.5 seconds and quarter-mile time of 13.8 seconds @ 107 MPH . All road tests of the two at the time placed the FIREBIRD faster than the CAMARO .
the firebird had the ls6 intake and the camaro had the old ls1 intake. that is enough to make the difference.
William2552 the "ram air hood" on the camaro is not functional,the air intakes on both cars are placed at the front under the hoods exact same place. I love the look of both and at least the trans am has somewhat of a real "ram air hood".....Its got function but not in the sense as the 93-97 trans am and camaro had. For the camaro the 97 SS was the last year for those to have a full function ram air hood. I want the SS hood for my 97 z28 66spd
BANANAHAMMER420 my 2000 ss had the hood with the air that went into the scoop and down in front and into the normal lid area
Handsome B Wonderful really?? Not aftermarket but stock?? Hell that's cool I thought 97 was it on ram air for Camaros.
williamg2552 There's no way in hell a LS1 ss Camaro runs 13.8 in the 1/4. I read in 5.0 mustang and superfords magazine that the 2002 Camaro ran a 13.0 flat compared to the 03 cobra's 12.8. As far as normal ws6 firebirds I have seen bone stock birds run 13.3s to 13.6s at the track I go to on 35 degree cold nights. I raced a stock ss Camaro with exhaust and he ran a 13.1 next to me.