as a gm fanboy i can honestly say i love the 99-04 mustang in fact i actually like it more than the catfish camaro. sophomore in hs and my goal is to get a 99-04 Mustang GT, i can find decent ones for pretty cheap but the insurance is gonna be a real bitch
I love how there's still an ongoing internet battle over these cars after all these years. Both cars were good bang for the buck and both had their pros and cons as do all cars. One thing that I didn't like about the F bodies was those damn buttons on the radio and that infamous dash cracking. The Stangs had some crap too. All in all fun cars for the money. Some don't realize that you get what you pay for and these weren't "high quality" cars by any means when comparing them to what's built today or the last 5-7 years. A blast to drive nonetheless.
I remember drag racing as a kid and this was the huge fight, camaros guys and mustang guys. I always felt the z28 was more in line with the cobra of that time but the price is what made the camaro so incredible. I was always a mustang gt guy with a 98 adding every bolt on that newer would've helped against the z28.
I agree. Seeing the SVT Cobra review for the same year, I was thinking the same. The Z-28/GT faceoff was more appropriate, where the SVT Cobra could go against say, a Mecham Trans-am or maybe a Firehawk.
Nah, I noticed that too. The modular series of engines replaced Ford's previous OHV design, with the last Ford small block OHV V8 being killed off in the Ford Explorer in 2001, or 2002 in the Fold Falcon for Australia. The last time they put the small block OHV V8 engine into a mustang was 1995, with both the 302 (5.0) in the Mustang GT/Cobra and the 351 (5.8) in the Mustang Cobra R.
just got a 2014 Camaro v6 6 speed...black on black...wicked fast !!!...picking up a 2000 black on black mustang gt 6 speed...my 5th stang...going back to my roots...love that STANG !!!
Yeah, my '02 GT in stock trim put down 220 RWHP. After a tune and exhaust I was at 247RWHP. My car ran 13.30s at 103mph with the addition of 4.10's. Not to bad for gears, exhaust and a tune : )
@@zeuzvalencia4672 would be the 1/4 mile by the numbers otherwise it was slowest mustang in the world if that was 1/8th mile. 1/8th mile slow times are like 9 seconds
@@CamoShirt 9.0s in the 1/8 is like 14.0s in the 1/4-mile, according to conversion charts. I've so many 9.0s and am struggling to get my 06 Charger R/T to break into the 8.9s with intake, exhaust and tune the only mods.
Boosted GT or perhaps GM has to many muscles cars playing around ? Camaros , corvettes , monte Carlos , trans am , Gto , gt8 , caprice , impala , GM had to many dealerships fighting each other , not to mention that the reason Camaro left the show was because they focus on the corvette
Goku Kakarot lol be quiet. Everyone knows the Cobra killed the camaro for like 5 years. Heck, it nearly killed the corvette too. That’s why GM remodeled both after the Cobra came out.
I just bought an 02' from the original owner, looks just like this 99'. 35000 original km, T-tops 6 speed. Garage kept it's entire life. Car is showroom condition inside & out. Also has Hotchkis suspension, longtube headers/Borla exhaust, no cats and it's supercharged! I still can't believe it's mine! I love it!
This 4th gen is my favorite design for the Camaro, well this and the new 6 gens. I own a 2000 since I bought it off my dad in '03. Now I rarely drive it. It sits in my garage as my prized possession. Sitting in it takes me back to the early 2000s. Never giving it away, it's my first car.
The 5.8L would be a beast if it was dropped in a 99-04 GT. Many people are dropping Coyotes into New Edge Mustangs and I have heard of some running low 11's with just bolt ons, tires and tune.
Faster does not automatically mean better. Everybody factors in the overall package of the car when making a choice, otherwise we'd all just be riding liter bikes if speed was all that mattered. Ford just had a better package, that's why it outsold the Camaro despite costing more in similar spec. The LS1 was decent for it's time but not everyone wants a massive car with Cavalier interior. Chevy even left a hump in the passenger floor board to clear the driveline, and didn't even bother to put a proper dual exhaust on it that's how cheap and lazy they were. The Camaro looks like it's suited more towards floating on water than driving on pavement. But yes Ford guys need to admit the Mustang was slower, even the N/A Cobras - although they still put up a good fight. By 03-04 the Mach 1 was able to keep up and in some cases beat LS1 cars and the supercharged Cobras wiped their asses with them. The moment you sit in a Mustang, turn the key to watch those gauges sweep past the SVT logo, and hear that unmistakeable exhaust note, you know you're in something special. Can't say the same about a Camaro.
4.6 2v vs ls1, yeah this outcome was expected. It's hard to get power out of a 2v 4.6 if you're going all motor. The 3v 4.6 is much better if you're naturally aspirated
The 3v 4.6/5.4 are sacks of shit. Internally they're OK....but fuck the heads. I love Ford (and GM)....but my 3v 5.4 was possibly the WORST engine I've ever owned. I should have listened to all the Ford forums before buying that engine.
@@angelgjr1999 adjusted for inflation 25 thousand 1999 dollars is equal to 38 000 dollars today. You can look up an inflation calculator to see for yourself
The 94-04 mustangs are slow but they are fun to drive. I myself would still prefer a mustang over a Camaro even though the Camaros had more power I just think they are not very appealing to my eyes.
@@angelgjr1999 the Terminator was fantastic for its day, but its day is long past. Talk to a current owner, it really isn't fun, its almost as bad as owning an RX7. Things break, they are hard to diagnose, parts can be a bitch to find, and even donor cars are horrendously expensive. All for what? A mid-12 second car? A new 5.0 can beat that with a tune and tire alone, no boost.
@@angelgjr1999 With a limited run the Terminator undoubtedly will soar in value over almost any modern Coyote, but in terms of speed, modern technology has more than narrowed the playing field. But like I said before, the Terminator was a fantastic car in its day, but its age makes ownership a major pain. They aren't horrendously expensive anymore, you can find one with over100k on the odo for as low as $15k. But again, I'd probably just buy a Coyote for that price, they are more reliable.
What I hate is how Camaro fans keep saying that their Camaros make 310 HP to the wheels.They are on an optimistic Dyno because you just seen what they make, Around 290 at the wheel.And don't try to say I have the SS so it makes more.The ram air induction does nothing when you're not moving and even when you are moving it doesn't add much power.Its more of like a pep boys add on mod that gm could add and make more money off of you.The cars, Camaro, Firebird, Trans am were underated,I owned a 2002 Camaro SS 6spd so I know.Ram air or not they make the same power on a dynojet or mustang Dyno because they are the most accurate and they don't inflate your ego like other dynos
Agreed , my 98 Z28 6 speed made 305 rwhp/317 rwtq on a dyno dynamics after I did long tubes , ory and slp air lid. Stock they are not making 300 rwhp on a chassis dyno . 280-290 is more realistic
wait. the z28 is the highest spec that the camaro came in in 1999 correct? then why are they comparing it against the gt? which isnt the highest spec for the mustang. the cobra was. theres no real point to comparing these other than the give camaro guys a hard on. and im not a ford fanboy by any means. i actually really love the z28 but this is just an unfair match up.
Gee I dunno, maybe it has to do with price. They are both in the same price range, barely $1000 price difference. That's how most cars are classed together to compare as direct competitors. How much was a brand new Cobra back then? Edit: I decided to look it up. The 1999 Cobra MSRP when brand new, was $28,000. That's over $5000 more than the one tested here, the GT. The Z28 still beats the Cobra in performance as well.
In these yrs the Z28 was pitted against the GT. The 6cyl Camaro had no real designation and was pitted against the 6 cyl Mustang. The SS was the performance option just like the Cobra was to the Stang. The SS was the Highest rated spec. HOWEVER, Chevy admitted they downplayed the HP rating in Camaro cause you could get the Camaro for LOTS cheaper than the Vette which had the same motor and they worried rightfully so that people would buy the camaro over the stang if they wanted just pure power. Sure the vette was little better but to a true racer that would be semantics and could get the maro much cheaper (and parts LOL)
I have a 2000 SS, I eat the same generation Cobras all day. Stock for stock. I’m a Ford guy for my trucks but you just couldn’t do better than an LS motor back then. Especially when SLP put their touches on the SS, mine is as it was sold new dyno’d at 350hp. Mustangs are also very frumpy looking, I personally prefer the more aerodynamic sleek styling of the Camaro more IMHO.
@@yardmeat7499 Mustang is more of an everyday family vehicle, imho. Way more headroom and back seat space. They sold more because they had a wider audience.
I test drove both of these back then. The Camaro was a better driving car.. but was just too hard to see out of. You felt like the Camaro was ten foot longer from behind the wheel. The Camaro was a few hundred pounds heavier too, which did not help. The Mustang was easier to live with as a DD and that's why it sold better. Quality control wasn't amazing on either of these cars, but the Camaro I test drove had a lower dash with plastic damage that would cut you- it looked like somebody took an old fashioned cheese grater to it. Looking back.. how the heck did Ford make a modern Over Head Cam V8 engine breathe worse up top than Chevy's pushrod V8????
For this year for did make an engine that would’ve outclass the LS one or at least tied it. It was in the form of the 32 valve twin cam 4.6 L that was found in the SVT cobra. It was an all aluminum modular V8, which made about as much horsepower as the LS one.
@@BlindMansRevenge2002 Delousal Ford guys LIES. Y'all couldn't get it rt bk then an still couldn't get it rt in 2022 that's why Gm had to show y'all . How to build a overhead cam motor. Nothing no delousal Ford guy can tell me. I ran these cars. And even with the well will just factory power add a super charger in the 03 svt corbas. Gm Ls F body cars was still putting Spaccce on Ford factory power add cars. Good ola TH-cam drag racing footage from bk then to now . Videos don't lie. It's a shame a factory Po add 03 coubra get out ran by a N/A LS base gen 3 mind you all motor car. 😆 Lol
@@BlindMansRevenge2002the cobro 32v v8 was no match for a ls1....not even close. This test is not accurate at all. No way in hell a 2v is running at 2 car lengths less than a ls1. A pi 4.sux won't even bust a 13 sec pass. The ls1 will run mid 13s with ease. Low 13s and even high 12s has been done with good driving and decent track prep.
@@rivercitymetaldetecting9854 nope sorry, a WS6 Trans Am was practically a factory car from Pontiac just with more options, now the Cobra comes out of SVT which is Fords performance division, it's like comparing Oranges to apples.
@@adelaseeri768 you are aware that the SVT division was in house right? Same as SLP which did work on the WS6 Same as Mustangs with a Shelby badge on it(350/500) currently are. 🤣 ...same as SRT was which was initially a group of tuners that were brought in house just like Mercedes did with AMG. The WS6 would have gotten destroyed against the Terminator Cobra. Then again so would the Firehawk which was the top dog in the FB/TA line above the WS6. I owned both the Firehawk and a Termimator. The Firehawk could'nt run with the Terminator. Then again the Mustang had a 45hp advantage stock so.
@@adelaseeri768 you should do more research. I've been working on vehicles for close to 4 decades. SLP had a hand in the WS6. Not my fault you are not aware of that. Look up the history of the LT1 WS6 v The LS1 WS6. You will learn something.
Really The 3v Was kinda of a bust in my eyes. They didn't respond to mods all that well. Never found 1 that could take my stock 98 z28. that included full exhaust and bnolt on 1s. The Mach 1 responded way better to simple modds. Not as well as a ls1 but very very good . The n/a cobra also modded pretty well. My money I would grip a mach 1 or n/a cobra over a 3v GT anyday
why I love the mustang : 1. the engine is a 4.6 so it's normal to have less hp, but it responds very well to bolts on (1500$ bolts on will give you that 280whp) and not to forget that mustang weight is 500lbs less 2.it's built tough and parts are widely available 3.it's easy to maintain
Honestly all the new "muscle cars" I feel like there sports car now. I rather have a muscle car then a sports car. The only car I cars I can think of that's has that kind of feel is the dodge challenger and the new 2015 camaro z28
Mustangs camaros and challengers were classified as Pony Cars. The only true “Modern Muscle Car” right now is the Dodge Charger but I don’t even consider them Muscle since they’re Four Door Sedans now.
The LSA would be a beast if it was put into an Fbody Camaro, When Chevy came out with the new tank of a Camaro, they kind of lost me as a buyer. I'd take the new 5.0 or any 4.6 GT before that before I got the new Camaro.
Its Funny to see all these Mustang fans talk shit about the Camaro but when it comes to engine swapping they love swapping out there 5.0 and/or 4.6 for an LS1 or any LS for that matter
You have it backwards... Chevy guys are taking the only good thing the Camaros have - the LS and swapping them into a better platform. LOL even Chevy guys know the entire car is junk. A Mustang guy would only swap a modular for an LS because it's cheap to get a truck motor from a junkyard, but you never see 2011+ cars ditching their coyote for a LS.
Casey Young lol you camaro fans are really salty because the 04 Mustang Cobra killed your camaro for like 5 years out of production. :) Sales numbers don’t lie buddy.
@@masterwhopper414 no it couldn't go toe to toe at all. I bought new and still own a 99 SS Camaro. I mopped up those 4v cobras. They weren't even close. 2vs were better runs for gm trucks or v6 camaros.
This is coming from a Mustang owner the Camaro while having a few quality issues as far as I'm concerned completely stomped this mustang also whoever launched this Camaro didn't know what they were doing Also want to point out that the Camaro all the way back in 93 was using a three link live axle with Panhard rod that Ford would tout and the s197 which is what I currently own 12 years later in 2005 I mean this thing is making 330hp had better suspension geometry than the sn95's 4 Link live axle and the Camaro was lower and wider which is usually a good formula for keeping the tires planted. What killed the Camaro is that like today Chevy kind of neglected the occupants the interior on these didn't age well when it was new and the interior plastics weren't long for this world not to mention and this is sadly a side effect of GM making the fourth gen F bodies a sports car like as possible is the fact that getting in and out of a new edge was a lot easier than any fourth gen and to head off anybody at the pass I had a 96 Camaro RS and a 2001 Mustang and I can tell you the mustangs interior has aged just a little bit better or at the very least didn't disintegrate even though you have to just avoid looking at the place where the center stack attaches to the console because those two dudes who designed those parts weren't talking ever
I’m also a Mustang guy and I agree with all of your points. The Camaro bested the Mustang in the muscle department, and still does. I had a friend with an 2002 SS that ran a 12.8 showroom stock with stock tires and all, that’s what a 03-04 Terminator Cobra ran with a supercharger, albeit with less cubes. The Mustang has always been just a tad more user friendly and reliable. They always seemed to priced a tad less which always helps. All in all, I’d be happy with either one these days.
You know Chevy fans are lying to themselves they say the interiors are nice.. I can't even ride in my friends 99 Camara the stupid hump in the passenger side floor makes it useless to anyone with legs
***** you take 1.2 liters more to make 6 extra hp in the sad excuse for a modern motor and you also lose in the quarter mile with 30 pound feet (20 for 2015) extra torque. Also your car is heavy as shit. Time for chevy to go back to the LT5 design. They had a great modern engine then they went with the modern equivalent of a flathead powered car in the 70s
***** i know theyve both been around a long time. but a dohc 4v per cylinder will be much more efficient per cube than a pushrod 2v design. it breathes better. and it will rev higher. a dohc v8 will always make a good amount of torque. the new 2015 mustang 5.0 can do 11.78 with an intake tune and tires (not slicks). i doubt the heavy maro can do that. we dont need as much torque to go fast and the 2015 is only 20 lb ft less than the camaro and still much lighter. so nuff said
90s camaro's interior is 90% the same as a caviler and a lumina. cheap ass gm couldnt design more then one set up for the interior so they just stuck it all their cars. stupid import company.
I have a 2001 GT Bullitt. It's a well known fact that the 2v mod motor has terrible heads that run out of breath while others are still winding out. Porting helps, but not enough. You need trickflow TW heads to truly overcome the breathing issues. So, you gotta throw money at a 99-04 GT just to get it ready to run close to the 4v. It will outflow a stock 4v with said heads. That'll get you running with those LS motors...as long as you force induction, because the 4.6 low end torque isn't enough either, lol. Yeah, you can beat lots of cars in a 99-04 GT, just slow cars. You wanna go fast? Heads, forced induction, (preferably turbo). It is what it is. At least you'll sound and look better than an F-body. No offense, the Ls motor is terrific, I just love the style of my Mustang, despite the extra money needed to go fast.
Chevy has always needed 350 cubic inches to keep any sort of advantage over Ford with 4.6 or 5 Liters. It was dumb on Ford's behalf to limit themselves to such small displacement. If they would have upgraded the 5.8 Windsor for High Performance and used that as a Mustang engine then the 350 powered Camaro would have nothing on the Mustang.
Jim Garrison the 302 was a good engine, but the 4.6 is a turd of a "performance" engine, LT1's and LS1 were eating 4.6 mustangs for a snack. a slightly modded 3.8 supercharged was faster then that and it had 2 less cylinder. ford no longer uses the 4.6 in a mustang because it sucked
BULLSHIT people werent buying for performance...... LT1 vs. 4.6, LS1 vs. 4.6 your joking right. a 1996 z28 made 285 hp STOCK LT1 the 4.6 a measly 225 look it up 60 hp less
andrew donohue Just what I thought you're one of those fanboys that makes assumptions based on what's written in a magazine, typical GM lover. Fyi, Camaros, Z28s, and Firebirds get their ass handed to them by Mustangs on a regular basis, especially that model. As for the 4.6 in '99 being 225 stock try 260 stock not that it matters anyway. The 5.0 in the Fox bodies had even less than 225 stock and absolutely destroyed Camaros.
i drove a ford F150 wiith a 4.6 it felt like the turd had a 1980's carburated 305. had to floor the POS up hill with a small empty trailer to gain any speed. it was a gutless pig and it was bad on fuel. the only 4.6's that remotely had any balls were the 3V and even more exotic 4V. get out of you disillusion the 93-2002 camaro Z28, SS and the trans am WS were murdering the 4.6... the 302 was a much better engine but for pulled the plug. still a built 302 is still not much of a match for an equally built 350. the 4.6 2V is a worthless "performance" engine. stock for stock the mustang GT was not a match for a camaro Z28 all throughout the 93-2002 time period, its a fact. the fox body was a nasty little car but that is mostly because they are so light, the are great in the straight line in cornering the camaro again kills it, even back in the 80's iroc Z28 5.7 tpi
ive driven both. i like driving my 01 gt better than any f body ive driven. and plus the mustang is easier to work on. but ford prolly just knew it was gonna break down more often than a chevy so they addressed it early on lol. some days i do regret not just buying a trans am but i do love my mustang.
Is it that it has the better technology with single overhead cams please the Ford at the time was way more efficient than the old LS1 look at Ford now it's up there sorry but true
LS1 is one of the most reliable motors ever, I know many people with over 250,000 miles on them and still running strong. You see more mustangs because they are a bitch car.
I owned an '87 Firebird Formula 350,and was often beat by 5-speed stock 5.0s. To be honest,it was one of the worst cars i've ever owned. Multiple 700R4 failures, rear discs that wore out really fast( just from daily driving).The L98 seized on me and i had it rebuilt(mild 270/290 cam,1.6 roller rockers) all useless with the stock plenum runners. After the rebuild, the Trans(which was rebuilt by Broward Transmission with 2400 stall extra clutches, B&M shift kit) died again..
I had a low mile 89 IROC that I owned in the late 90s and the L98 blew up. Had L98 issues with my old 89 Corvette, only had 25k miles but left me stranded twice. However I never had any engine problems with the four Fox Body 5 litters I owned. Not one.
***** I love cars as long as there good in some way.. I just feel like ford let everyone down with the 2v GT. I mean th 3v was way better and the current 5.0 is pretty nasty. I feel the problem with most cars are the owners. I have other video racing my friend in his yellow mustang and we made fun of 1 another all the time lol .Just good fun .
Necrometalfist Then your 2v is modded or they cant drive . Because a 2v GT is way slower then a 3v. Thats a simple fact . Before I forget . I went to your channel so I could see this magical 2v GT and lord and behold no videos posted. You get that this is youtube and not a chat room right .
Josh Patterson Yeah, I don't record myself racing on video. So what? You still keep using crap written on paper or Internet results while my results are based on real world experience. If you want to go that route a couple tenths of a second isn't shit. Of course my car isn't stock anymore, but when it was it already was quicker than some posted times for 3v GT's.
Necrometalfist Which is fine. Videos do help make you a bit more credible on the topic of cars if you actually race cars and can proof it. Pictures worth a 1000 words and video is 1000s of pictures :)
Big company is still just people. Ford Even said they tried and tried to get a n/a Motor for the 2003 Cobra. It never would produce the power they wanted with street ability. Both have stepped up there game big time .Very happy with whats been going on .
That would be nice, the new "tech." on these engines is what makes these new Mustangs faster today. That and the fact that today's Muscle Cars are allowed to make 400+hp stock/from-factory.. :)
I'm out, there's too many Chevy fanboys on here in a race to suck each other off. They can't accept that Mustangs have always been a better car than the Crapmaro in all it's varieties.
Necrometalfist A Fanboy would be someone who refuses to see the fact about a car because of them liking it I like cars . dont care who makes them as long as there good . I daily drive a E36 BMW 325i . The only fanboying going on in here is you . I made claims of how the cars stack up at the Track followed by me posting not 1 but 3 , 5 MIn + long videos of me racing everything from the fox bodys,Mach 1,N/a Cobra,2v GTs,roush stage 2 , and 3v Gts . Thus backing up my words with my own actions in a 1998 z28 . Also its a fact we 2 so called GM fanboys were discussing this. I told him that I did not think a Stock 96 Lt1 Z28 should be beating 3v GTs,N/a Cobras and Mach 1s . Something no fucking fanboy would say . Because All they would say is stuff you have been saying . Stuff like a 2v GT is faster than a 3v gt ,which is nonsense . Your choice if you wanna leave on extremely ignorant and defensive post .
Just personal preference actually....my first car as a freshman in high school was a 2000 SS with an LS1 never did anything to it performance wise, but had nothing but problems....I sold it and bought a 96 Firebird Formula with an LT1...I had a job and since i was still in school I put all my money from my job into it....Only problem I had was the damn optispark got wet (notorious on LT engines) it lasted me all the way through high school until I flipped it a few weeks after graduation.
I agree mustang sound awesome. There is a reason for that. The Heads are made to produce the mustangs " sound " .The New Coyote 5.0 is the 1st 1 in a long time to ditch that and be built for speed. If you want a Mustang that sounds good and has some speed. Pick up a 3v Gt not a 2v Gt . Those 2v are so slow . To me I prefer the go to the sound. + I supercharger or cam most of my cars witch completely changes the sound anywho .
LMAO Please stop making a fool of yourself... LS especially the LS1 are famous for being one of the most reliable v8's around. And who ever said "Hey, lets SBF swap it"?
go walk around a few junk yards, you will see 9 out of ten mustang there are wrecked with good motors in them. you will see 7 out of 10 camaros there are not wrecked and are there do to motor issues. trust me i looked for my self and found it to be true.
TheFassold That's why everyone is swapping Ls engines into all kinds of cars from japanese to europeans, and even some mustangs. Please lay off the crack and stop spreading bs lies.
why is there an argument camaros are better hands down. Cobra mustang pshh let me supercharge an ls1 and it beats your new mustang 5.0s. The new z28 2014 beats the boss the gt500 and the gt all in a straight line so whatever. Chevy also makes Americas fastest sports car in the Corvertte zr1. Not counting like exotics like the henneesey viper gt even though it uses the corvette zr1s engine ;). The ford gt is good but is 150,000 dollar car and is built in Germany.
People bought (and are still buying) the Mustangs because of looks and quality. The 99-04 Mustang was a step above the same gen Camaro in every aspect of a "drivers car". It might not have it all in performance in the beginning , but the 03/04 Cobra's sure made up for that.
Oh look at me Iam old and care so much about comfort that I choose the mustang even though it is slower, unreliable ,ugly,stupid,boring, and way weeker....idiots if your a real gear head you get a CAMARO all the time it beats the mustang in everything and the reason why the hump is on passenger is because the car is so sleek that their is nowhere else to put it. The engine is low for better center gravity and pushed back for more balance as a sports car should be that is the recipe to a real performance car that's why bmw Ferrari Mercedes use this recipe and mustang no because it's always been a girl car no girl would drive the CAMARO my wife is actually scared of it .a 6 cylinder yes but they will still be like... I can't see over the dash ohhhh... but a mustang a girl wouldn't care getting an 8 because their so week anyway and thats final
Let me give you some history, but before that I'll say this.. I like both cars, their is nothing I hate about them, if I were to choose between the two, I'd choose the mustang, a few bolt-ons & you unleash a beast. It's funny how people like you say the mustang is for a "girl", I wish you would've said that to Carol Shelby (RIP), Steve Saleen, & Jack Roush, they would have laughed at you so hard in your face. You ever wonder why the camaro stopped production in 2002? Or the trans am discontinued in 2002? I'll tell you why.. Because in 2003 Ford Released the all new 2003 Ford "Mustang" Svt Cobra, code name "terminator"... Chevy knew about it, and they didn't have anything to back up their plate but a little ls shit motor... Yea that's right, I can see you getting red, so they stopped before it was too late. and to this day, their is this rivalry going on, about who's faster, I honestly don't care, I just wanted to remind you of some history before you keep most likely commenting on every mustang, or camaro vs mustang video you see....
a girl wouldnt drive a cobra moron stop hating on mustangs just because you prefer camaro. it has 5.7 liters ffs of course its faster then the 2v GT. btw camaros cant compare to mustang in the sound department.
My nephew works at the Chevy dealership and he said the mustang v6 is faster then the camaro v6 but the camaro v8 will eat the mustang v8 all day. Of course the price of a camaro is more but u pay for what u get. I have seen both in action and drove both and the camaro has it all the way hands down
Yea, it doesn't take much to wake them up...Gears will do wonders. A local guy has a 2V new edge and with gears, X pipe, tune, and sticky radials he ran a 12.8. He's got more bolt-ons now and stage 3 cams (can't remember the specs) making about 280 to the wheels, and he's outran 11 second cars on the street.
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Coming from a Camaro guy, you gotta admit they look damn good together.
as a gm fanboy i can honestly say i love the 99-04 mustang in fact i actually like
it more than the catfish camaro. sophomore in hs and my
goal is to get a 99-04 Mustang GT, i can find decent ones for pretty cheap but the insurance is gonna be a real bitch
@@tennesseecurtiss5741 definitely worth it. I prefer the 05-09 cars and I’m trying to get a GT. They’re fun and easy to mod
Buy both
Yes very much
@@tennesseecurtiss5741 I pay 175 a month for car insurance. It’s expensive but will worth it for the fun.
i love both, so i bought a corvette
Lmaooo...😂😂😂
Haaa Lol 😁
I had same problem and bought a duramax
Lmfaooooo
Same just picked up an '86 for $1500
I love how there's still an ongoing internet battle over these cars after all these years. Both cars were good bang for the buck and both had their pros and cons as do all cars. One thing that I didn't like about the F bodies was those damn buttons on the radio and that infamous dash cracking. The Stangs had some crap too. All in all fun cars for the money. Some don't realize that you get what you pay for and these weren't "high quality" cars by any means when comparing them to what's built today or the last 5-7 years. A blast to drive nonetheless.
I see absolutely no issue with the buttons on the radio, especially if you had steeing wheel controls
I miss this show. I looked forward to it every Saturday.
back when this was the only shot of dopamine a car guy could get
@@KingstonTV334 There was always Motor Week!
The Camaro's downfall was that it never captured the hairdresser or the secretary buyers.
I'm a Camaro guy but you have to admit the GT mustang has the best exhaust note ever!
Eh
@@gmls1144 and I'm a gm head! Lol not saying gm sounds bad.....🔥💯🇺🇲💪
@@paulcondie2520 I know, I’m just messin.
It's just the firing order that makes it sound like that.
Not even close.
They are both bad ass cars i own a 01 bullitt and it puts a smile on my face every time i drive it.
+brent burns yup that's the spirit
This video is never old for me!
I have this video on VHS.
I miss this weekly show on the Nashville Channel.
Use to air on tnt as well
Same can somebody upload the one with the honda s2000 please
i still like the mustang, a 99 gt was my first car.. will always love it.
I remember drag racing as a kid and this was the huge fight, camaros guys and mustang guys. I always felt the z28 was more in line with the cobra of that time but the price is what made the camaro so incredible. I was always a mustang gt guy with a 98 adding every bolt on that newer would've helped against the z28.
I agree. Seeing the SVT Cobra review for the same year, I was thinking the same. The Z-28/GT faceoff was more appropriate, where the SVT Cobra could go against say, a Mecham Trans-am or maybe a Firehawk.
Still vividly remember this segment. Thanks for posting!
1:52 Am i the only one who noticed the "4.6 Ltr OHV V8" When im pretty sure that any 4.6 2V is a SOHC engine, but thats none of my business.
Nah, I noticed that too. The modular series of engines replaced Ford's previous OHV design, with the last Ford small block OHV V8 being killed off in the Ford Explorer in 2001, or 2002 in the Fold Falcon for Australia. The last time they put the small block OHV V8 engine into a mustang was 1995, with both the 302 (5.0) in the Mustang GT/Cobra and the 351 (5.8) in the Mustang Cobra R.
Man, I missed these shows on TNN.
the funny part there are more new edge gt on the streets than ls1 camaros. the camaros all got crushed in cash for clunkers
+Horace Brewer lol.
i respect the vette engine in them but other than that fuck those cars.
a ta could look pretty decent tho.
Back then, I would have chosen the Z28 but now? Give me the 4.6 with Trick Flow heads on bolts on.
Those were the days.
Yeah I want to get me one and put in a Cobra Supercharger. That’ll make the Chevy boys cry. :)
I literally just bought a '99 black Mustang GT. Always been a Mustang fanboy!
Nice! Mine is metallic silver. :) they’re great looking ponies
I got an 02’ black new edge too!
@@austinbishop7430 Nice!
just got a 2014 Camaro v6 6 speed...black on black...wicked fast !!!...picking up a 2000 black on black mustang gt 6 speed...my 5th stang...going back to my roots...love that STANG !!!
Yeah, my '02 GT in stock trim put down 220 RWHP. After a tune and exhaust I was at 247RWHP. My car ran 13.30s at 103mph with the addition of 4.10's. Not to bad for gears, exhaust and a tune : )
In 1/4 Mille?
@@zeuzvalencia4672 would be the 1/4 mile by the numbers otherwise it was slowest mustang in the world if that was 1/8th mile. 1/8th mile slow times are like 9 seconds
@@CamoShirt 9.0s in the 1/8 is like 14.0s in the 1/4-mile, according to conversion charts. I've so many 9.0s and am struggling to get my 06 Charger R/T to break into the 8.9s with intake, exhaust and tune the only mods.
Good ol days. Muscle cars that were affordable. I was 19 years old and bought a brand new 99 Z28 6 speed for like 24k out the door.
So glad I watched this I was getting ready to buy a 1999 mustang thanks guys
Proud owner of a z/28 fourth gen.. There's so much potential in that 350 ls1..!
That's all fine and dandy but let's see a 2004 Camaro race a 2004 Cobra. Oh, wait...
Boosted GT or perhaps GM has to many muscles cars playing around ? Camaros , corvettes , monte Carlos , trans am , Gto , gt8 , caprice , impala , GM had to many dealerships fighting each other , not to mention that the reason Camaro left the show was because they focus on the corvette
Where’s Fords sub $100k car running top 10 lap records in the world? Oh wait. Sucks when Ford boys have to reach back 15 years.
Goku Kakarot lol be quiet. Everyone knows the Cobra killed the camaro for like 5 years. Heck, it nearly killed the corvette too. That’s why GM remodeled both after the Cobra came out.
Casey Young Ahem, you will cry once the 2020 Mustang GT500 comes out. There’s already videos of it smoking Demons. :)
I just bought an 02' from the original owner, looks just like this 99'. 35000 original km, T-tops 6 speed. Garage kept it's entire life. Car is showroom condition inside & out.
Also has Hotchkis suspension, longtube headers/Borla exhaust, no cats and it's supercharged! I still can't believe it's mine! I love it!
This 4th gen is my favorite design for the Camaro, well this and the new 6 gens. I own a 2000 since I bought it off my dad in '03. Now I rarely drive it. It sits in my garage as my prized possession. Sitting in it takes me back to the early 2000s. Never giving it away, it's my first car.
torres3800 Camaros are ugly man. They look like catfish. I’m very happy with my New Edge GT. I don’t care if the camaro is 0.3 seconds faster.
You should keep yours. 4th gen camaros are starting to die out. I’m sure yours will be worth something if you keep it clean.
@@angelgjr1999 That's nice.
The 5.8L would be a beast if it was dropped in a 99-04 GT. Many people are dropping Coyotes into New Edge Mustangs and I have heard of some running low 11's with just bolt ons, tires and tune.
Faster does not automatically mean better. Everybody factors in the overall package of the car when making a choice, otherwise we'd all just be riding liter bikes if speed was all that mattered.
Ford just had a better package, that's why it outsold the Camaro despite costing more in similar spec.
The LS1 was decent for it's time but not everyone wants a massive car with Cavalier interior. Chevy even left a hump in the passenger floor board to clear the driveline, and didn't even bother to put a proper dual exhaust on it that's how cheap and lazy they were. The Camaro looks like it's suited more towards floating on water than driving on pavement.
But yes Ford guys need to admit the Mustang was slower, even the N/A Cobras - although they still put up a good fight. By 03-04 the Mach 1 was able to keep up and in some cases beat LS1 cars and the supercharged Cobras wiped their asses with them.
The moment you sit in a Mustang, turn the key to watch those gauges sweep past the SVT logo, and hear that unmistakeable exhaust note, you know you're in something special. Can't say the same about a Camaro.
4.6 2v vs ls1, yeah this outcome was expected. It's hard to get power out of a 2v 4.6 if you're going all motor. The 3v 4.6 is much better if you're naturally aspirated
The 3v 4.6/5.4 are sacks of shit. Internally they're OK....but fuck the heads. I love Ford (and GM)....but my 3v 5.4 was possibly the WORST engine I've ever owned. I should have listened to all the Ford forums before buying that engine.
Hope this rivalry never finishes!
Now Mustang is available in RHD, hope Camaro does it too. Mustang herds already arrived in Malaysia.
this didnt age well
I’d pick the Camaro any day but a cobra… I might have to reconsider
25k for a brand new v-8 dammm thats a good price now and days 38-45k is the price for a new v-8 mustang/camaro
Mike Haggar I don’t know if the dollar lost half it’s value since the early 2000s. Cars were cheaper in the 90s.
@@angelgjr1999 adjusted for inflation 25 thousand 1999 dollars is equal to 38 000 dollars today. You can look up an inflation calculator to see for yourself
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Thank you for uploading this video
Mustangs didnt start makin power til the 2011 5.0 came out. I ownd a 96 gt. Slow af but loved it. Love my pontiac gto 6.0. Gobs of power
Keef GTO 2004 Mustang Cobra eats 5.0s for breakfast... what do you mean?
The 94-04 mustangs are slow but they are fun to drive. I myself would still prefer a mustang over a Camaro even though the Camaros had more power I just think they are not very appealing to my eyes.
@@angelgjr1999 the Terminator was fantastic for its day, but its day is long past. Talk to a current owner, it really isn't fun, its almost as bad as owning an RX7. Things break, they are hard to diagnose, parts can be a bitch to find, and even donor cars are horrendously expensive. All for what? A mid-12 second car? A new 5.0 can beat that with a tune and tire alone, no boost.
@@jcamp788 Yes but a Cobra will appreciate in value. S550s has decades left before it gains value and is considered “classic”.
@@angelgjr1999 With a limited run the Terminator undoubtedly will soar in value over almost any modern Coyote, but in terms of speed, modern technology has more than narrowed the playing field. But like I said before, the Terminator was a fantastic car in its day, but its age makes ownership a major pain. They aren't horrendously expensive anymore, you can find one with over100k on the odo for as low as $15k. But again, I'd probably just buy a Coyote for that price, they are more reliable.
What I hate is how Camaro fans keep saying that their Camaros make 310 HP to the wheels.They are on an optimistic Dyno because you just seen what they make, Around 290 at the wheel.And don't try to say I have the SS so it makes more.The ram air induction does nothing when you're not moving and even when you are moving it doesn't add much power.Its more of like a pep boys add on mod that gm could add and make more money off of you.The cars, Camaro, Firebird, Trans am were underated,I owned a 2002 Camaro SS 6spd so I know.Ram air or not they make the same power on a dynojet or mustang Dyno because they are the most accurate and they don't inflate your ego like other dynos
Agreed , my 98 Z28 6 speed made 305 rwhp/317 rwtq on a dyno dynamics after I did long tubes , ory and slp air lid. Stock they are not making 300 rwhp on a chassis dyno . 280-290 is more realistic
wait. the z28 is the highest spec that the camaro came in in 1999 correct? then why are they comparing it against the gt? which isnt the highest spec for the mustang. the cobra was. theres no real point to comparing these other than the give camaro guys a hard on. and im not a ford fanboy by any means. i actually really love the z28 but this is just an unfair match up.
Gee I dunno, maybe it has to do with price. They are both in the same price range, barely $1000 price difference. That's how most cars are classed together to compare as direct competitors. How much was a brand new Cobra back then?
Edit: I decided to look it up. The 1999 Cobra MSRP when brand new, was $28,000. That's over $5000 more than the one tested here, the GT. The Z28 still beats the Cobra in performance as well.
Daniel Diaz z28 ss was the highest
z28 vs. GT
SS vs Cobra
In these yrs the Z28 was pitted against the GT. The 6cyl Camaro had no real designation and was pitted against the 6 cyl Mustang. The SS was the performance option just like the Cobra was to the Stang. The SS was the Highest rated spec. HOWEVER, Chevy admitted they downplayed the HP rating in Camaro cause you could get the Camaro for LOTS cheaper than the Vette which had the same motor and they worried rightfully so that people would buy the camaro over the stang if they wanted just pure power. Sure the vette was little better but to a true racer that would be semantics and could get the maro much cheaper (and parts LOL)
I have a 2000 SS, I eat the same generation Cobras all day. Stock for stock. I’m a Ford guy for my trucks but you just couldn’t do better than an LS motor back then. Especially when SLP put their touches on the SS, mine is as it was sold new dyno’d at 350hp. Mustangs are also very frumpy looking, I personally prefer the more aerodynamic sleek styling of the Camaro more IMHO.
Hopefully one day Firebird / Trans Am will come back I have always loved them.
I Like the Camero though.
Too bad they discontinued Pontiac, for some reason.
David Silva GM discontinued Pontiac because Pontiac's sales were terrible. Nobody was buying them lol :(
Almost 20 years later and the camaro still outruns the mustang
Mustangs are easier to live with on a daily basis, hence why they've always sold multiples over the Camaro
@@yardmeat7499 Mustang is more of an everyday family vehicle, imho. Way more headroom and back seat space. They sold more because they had a wider audience.
Outrun a 760hp GT500? No
I will put a coyote equipped mustang against an SS any day. Sorry fanboy, your camaro SS is not anything special.
@@tonyhendrix6185
Then put it up against a vette 🤷🏽♂️
22k for a v8 Mustang? Must’ve been very affordable. Nowadays a GT is like 40 grand.
They have only increased a couple grand compared to then when you account for inflation
Well, nothing costs the same as it did in 1999 but a loaded Mustang GT can hit almost $60k
I test drove both of these back then. The Camaro was a better driving car.. but was just too hard to see out of. You felt like the Camaro was ten foot longer from behind the wheel. The Camaro was a few hundred pounds heavier too, which did not help. The Mustang was easier to live with as a DD and that's why it sold better. Quality control wasn't amazing on either of these cars, but the Camaro I test drove had a lower dash with plastic damage that would cut you- it looked like somebody took an old fashioned cheese grater to it. Looking back.. how the heck did Ford make a modern Over Head Cam V8 engine breathe worse up top than Chevy's pushrod V8????
Only 2 valves per cylinder. So the bigger set of valves will breathe better.
For this year for did make an engine that would’ve outclass the LS one or at least tied it. It was in the form of the 32 valve twin cam 4.6 L that was found in the SVT cobra. It was an all aluminum modular V8, which made about as much horsepower as the LS one.
@@BlindMansRevenge2002 Delousal Ford guys LIES. Y'all couldn't get it rt bk then an still couldn't get it rt in 2022 that's why Gm had to show y'all . How to build a overhead cam motor. Nothing no delousal Ford guy can tell me. I ran these cars. And even with the well will just factory power add a super charger in the 03 svt corbas. Gm Ls F body cars was still putting Spaccce on Ford factory power add cars. Good ola TH-cam drag racing footage from bk then to now . Videos don't lie. It's a shame a factory Po add 03 coubra get out ran by a N/A LS base gen 3 mind you all motor car. 😆 Lol
@@BlindMansRevenge2002the cobro 32v v8 was no match for a ls1....not even close. This test is not accurate at all. No way in hell a 2v is running at 2 car lengths less than a ls1. A pi 4.sux won't even bust a 13 sec pass. The ls1 will run mid 13s with ease. Low 13s and even high 12s has been done with good driving and decent track prep.
Camaro was lighter, better handling and more power...
the cup holder. haha. they just "fixed" this in the 2015 and newer models.
Lol, sounds/looks like this was filmed in the 70s
They should have used the Firebird Trans Am WS6 instead of the z/28. The WS6 has better suspension and Ram Air.
Then they would have to compare that to the 99 Cobra.
@@rivercitymetaldetecting9854 nope sorry, a WS6 Trans Am was practically a factory car from Pontiac just with more options, now the Cobra comes out of SVT which is Fords performance division, it's like comparing Oranges to apples.
@@adelaseeri768 you are aware that the SVT division was in house right? Same as SLP which did work on the WS6
Same as Mustangs with a Shelby badge on it(350/500) currently are. 🤣
...same as SRT was which was initially a group of tuners that were brought in house just like Mercedes did with AMG.
The WS6 would have gotten destroyed against the Terminator Cobra.
Then again so would the Firehawk which was the top dog in the FB/TA line above the WS6.
I owned both the Firehawk and a Termimator. The Firehawk could'nt run with the Terminator.
Then again the Mustang had a 45hp advantage stock so.
@@adelaseeri768 you should do more research. I've been working on vehicles for close to 4 decades.
SLP had a hand in the WS6.
Not my fault you are not aware of that.
Look up the history of the LT1 WS6 v The LS1 WS6. You will learn something.
The Nashville network. Brings back memories.
I bought a brand new Mustang Gt in 2000 and my friend bought a 2001 z28 and yes it was faster than the Mustang but the Mustang by far more reliable.
Really The 3v Was kinda of a bust in my eyes. They didn't respond to mods all that well. Never found 1 that could take my stock 98 z28. that included full exhaust and bnolt on 1s. The Mach 1 responded way better to simple modds. Not as well as a ls1 but very very good . The n/a cobra also modded pretty well. My money I would grip a mach 1 or n/a cobra over a 3v GT anyday
why I love the mustang :
1. the engine is a 4.6 so it's normal to have less hp, but it responds very well to bolts on (1500$ bolts on will give you that 280whp) and not to forget that mustang weight is 500lbs less
2.it's built tough and parts are widely available
3.it's easy to maintain
Mustang needs serious work to even keep up with LS1 Fbody lol
Jim Scoutten has always been awesome.
They should have done the z28 and the cobra that makes more sence.
No the SS vs the cobra pricing is closer.
Man these vids make me miss my 2000 Z28, stupid thing was fast.
Honestly all the new "muscle cars" I feel like there sports car now. I rather have a muscle car then a sports car. The only car I cars I can think of that's has that kind of feel is the dodge challenger and the new 2015 camaro z28
Mustangs camaros and challengers were classified as Pony Cars. The only true “Modern Muscle Car” right now is the Dodge Charger but I don’t even consider them Muscle since they’re Four Door Sedans now.
I'm glad someone understands Mustang and Camaro are competitors not Mustang and Vettes.
Love the 99-04 stangs. although if my car had headers I'd beat it
Dragunov302 toyota is a UGLY piece of SHIT
I ALWAYS have issues with the cup holder and the gear shift on my '99 GT!! Go from 1st to 2nd you ram the cup!! LOL.
Rick aka Shock Shockey Swap out the console for a '01+.
This just makes me love my Z28 even more haha
The LSA would be a beast if it was put into an Fbody Camaro, When Chevy came out with the new tank of a Camaro, they kind of lost me as a buyer. I'd take the new 5.0 or any 4.6 GT before that before I got the new Camaro.
so why ls1 vs GT??? should be ls1 vs 99 SVT cobra
No its SS vs SVT
Haha boo hoo Chevy didn't need someone to step in and help their piece of crap out ...
salty1264 Jackass the ss is a ls1
The SS would beat any Mustang of that year.
mossow71 the SS had a few tweaks for more hp. 320hp vs the 305 hp in the z28.
Is that Jim Scouten? Good ole jimmy, loved watching him back in the day💪
Its Funny to see all these Mustang fans talk shit about the Camaro but when it comes to engine swapping
they love swapping out there 5.0 and/or 4.6 for an LS1 or any LS for that matter
Lol I don't think I know a single person who would drop a Chevy into a Mustang.
Yet it sill happens
just look up 1320 videos
You have it backwards... Chevy guys are taking the only good thing the Camaros have - the LS and swapping them into a better platform. LOL even Chevy guys know the entire car is junk.
A Mustang guy would only swap a modular for an LS because it's cheap to get a truck motor from a junkyard, but you never see 2011+ cars ditching their coyote for a LS.
5.0? You have to be shitting
Casey Young lol you camaro fans are really salty because the 04 Mustang Cobra killed your camaro for like 5 years out of production. :)
Sales numbers don’t lie buddy.
Ford's mistake was not making the 5.4 DOHC standard in the GT.
It woulda got whooped too
@@HioSSilver1999 not really, the 4.6 DOHC Cobra was already able to go toe-to-toe with the LS1 cars. Stroking it out would've been a no-brainer
@@masterwhopper414 no it couldn't go toe to toe at all. I bought new and still own a 99 SS Camaro. I mopped up those 4v cobras. They weren't even close.
2vs were better runs for gm trucks or v6 camaros.
Mustang out sold the Camaro and made it go out of production for almost a decade... The Terminators were gapping Vetts... For less money too!!
This is coming from a Mustang owner the Camaro while having a few quality issues as far as I'm concerned completely stomped this mustang also whoever launched this Camaro didn't know what they were doing
Also want to point out that the Camaro all the way back in 93 was using a three link live axle with Panhard rod that Ford would tout and the s197 which is what I currently own 12 years later in 2005
I mean this thing is making 330hp had better suspension geometry than the sn95's 4 Link live axle and the Camaro was lower and wider which is usually a good formula for keeping the tires planted.
What killed the Camaro is that like today Chevy kind of neglected the occupants the interior on these didn't age well when it was new and the interior plastics weren't long for this world not to mention and this is sadly a side effect of GM making the fourth gen F bodies a sports car like as possible is the fact that getting in and out of a new edge was a lot easier than any fourth gen and to head off anybody at the pass I had a 96 Camaro RS and a 2001 Mustang and I can tell you the mustangs interior has aged just a little bit better or at the very least didn't disintegrate even though you have to just avoid looking at the place where the center stack attaches to the console because those two dudes who designed those parts weren't talking ever
I’m also a Mustang guy and I agree with all of your points. The Camaro bested the Mustang in the muscle department, and still does. I had a friend with an 2002 SS that ran a 12.8 showroom stock with stock tires and all, that’s what a 03-04 Terminator Cobra ran with a supercharger, albeit with less cubes. The Mustang has always been just a tad more user friendly and reliable. They always seemed to priced a tad less which always helps. All in all, I’d be happy with either one these days.
20 years later there almost identical in numbers that it does not matter what car you get. Its all down to the driver.
You know Chevy fans are lying to themselves they say the interiors are nice.. I can't even ride in my friends 99 Camara the stupid hump in the passenger side floor makes it useless to anyone with legs
that's the catalytic converter...when i had my junk 93 z28 that i only drove once before i got my stang i hated it too...
***** you take 1.2 liters more to make 6 extra hp in the sad excuse for a modern motor and you also lose in the quarter mile with 30 pound feet (20 for 2015) extra torque. Also your car is heavy as shit. Time for chevy to go back to the LT5 design. They had a great modern engine then they went with the modern equivalent of a flathead powered car in the 70s
***** i know theyve both been around a long time. but a dohc 4v per cylinder will be much more efficient per cube than a pushrod 2v design. it breathes better. and it will rev higher. a dohc v8 will always make a good amount of torque. the new 2015 mustang 5.0 can do 11.78 with an intake tune and tires (not slicks). i doubt the heavy maro can do that. we dont need as much torque to go fast and the 2015 is only 20 lb ft less than the camaro and still much lighter. so nuff said
90s camaro's interior is 90% the same as a caviler and a lumina. cheap ass gm couldnt design more then one set up for the interior so they just stuck it all their cars. stupid import company.
TheFassold who cares about interior we care about performance
I have a 2001 GT Bullitt. It's a well known fact that the 2v mod motor has terrible heads that run out of breath while others are still winding out. Porting helps, but not enough. You need trickflow TW heads to truly overcome the breathing issues. So, you gotta throw money at a 99-04 GT just to get it ready to run close to the 4v. It will outflow a stock 4v with said heads. That'll get you running with those LS motors...as long as you force induction, because the 4.6 low end torque isn't enough either, lol. Yeah, you can beat lots of cars in a 99-04 GT, just slow cars. You wanna go fast? Heads, forced induction, (preferably turbo). It is what it is. At least you'll sound and look better than an F-body. No offense, the Ls motor is terrific, I just love the style of my Mustang, despite the extra money needed to go fast.
Chevy has always needed 350 cubic inches to keep any sort of advantage over Ford with 4.6 or 5 Liters. It was dumb on Ford's behalf to limit themselves to such small displacement. If they would have upgraded the 5.8 Windsor for High Performance and used that as a Mustang engine then the 350 powered Camaro would have nothing on the Mustang.
Jim Garrison the 302 was a good engine, but the 4.6 is a turd of a "performance" engine, LT1's and LS1 were eating 4.6 mustangs for a snack. a slightly modded 3.8 supercharged was faster then that and it had 2 less cylinder. ford no longer uses the 4.6 in a mustang because it sucked
andrew donohue You need your head examined idiot. The 4.6 is what took the crapmaro out of production because they couldn't compete, stock or modded.
BULLSHIT people werent buying for performance...... LT1 vs. 4.6, LS1 vs. 4.6 your joking right. a 1996 z28 made 285 hp STOCK LT1 the 4.6 a measly 225 look it up 60 hp less
andrew donohue Just what I thought you're one of those fanboys that makes assumptions based on what's written in a magazine, typical GM lover. Fyi, Camaros, Z28s, and Firebirds get their ass handed to them by Mustangs on a regular basis, especially that model. As for the 4.6 in '99 being 225 stock try 260 stock not that it matters anyway. The 5.0 in the Fox bodies had even less than 225 stock and absolutely destroyed Camaros.
i drove a ford F150 wiith a 4.6 it felt like the turd had a 1980's carburated 305. had to floor the POS up hill with a small empty trailer to gain any speed. it was a gutless pig and it was bad on fuel. the only 4.6's that remotely had any balls were the 3V and even more exotic 4V. get out of you disillusion the 93-2002 camaro Z28, SS and the trans am WS were murdering the 4.6... the 302 was a much better engine but for pulled the plug. still a built 302 is still not much of a match for an equally built 350. the 4.6 2V is a worthless "performance" engine. stock for stock the mustang GT was not a match for a camaro Z28 all throughout the 93-2002 time period, its a fact. the fox body was a nasty little car but that is mostly because they are so light, the are great in the straight line in cornering the camaro again kills it, even back in the 80's iroc Z28 5.7 tpi
ive driven both. i like driving my 01 gt better than any f body ive driven. and plus the mustang is easier to work on. but ford prolly just knew it was gonna break down more often than a chevy so they addressed it early on lol. some days i do regret not just buying a trans am but i do love my mustang.
4.6 is a great boat anchor.
The lack of low end torque is unbearable.
that's all it has is low end it for sure has no top end .
Is it that it has the better technology with single overhead cams please the Ford at the time was way more efficient than the old LS1 look at Ford now it's up there sorry but true
tiger1945 you're stoned lol
KJBPSkipper that little 4.6 had 302 lb ft of torque....that's more than respectable for 99
I wonder if I can look that cool with that leather jacket lol
Honestly, the Camaro of that year is fast, but (and I'm quoting a car article here) they truly are shitty plastic bathtubs. Very poorly constructed.
Bathtub you mean the Dodge Hellcat lol?
Jim scoutten you can tell he’s for the Chevy with that mustache
LS1 is one of the most reliable motors ever, I know many people with over 250,000 miles on them and still running strong. You see more mustangs because they are a bitch car.
zeeprah my brother has a 2002 Camaro with over 300k he has to work on it some but it is a great car non the less.
You see more Mustangs Cuse they sold so many more of them, they were cheap
I owned an '87 Firebird Formula 350,and was often beat by 5-speed stock 5.0s.
To be honest,it was one of the worst cars i've ever owned.
Multiple 700R4 failures, rear discs that wore out really fast( just from daily driving).The L98 seized on me and i had it rebuilt(mild 270/290 cam,1.6 roller rockers) all useless with the stock plenum runners.
After the rebuild, the Trans(which was rebuilt by Broward Transmission with 2400 stall extra clutches, B&M shift kit) died again..
I had very similar experiences with an 86 Iroc z I had in the 90s.
I had a low mile 89 IROC that I owned in the late 90s and the L98 blew up. Had L98 issues with my old 89 Corvette, only had 25k miles but left me stranded twice. However I never had any engine problems with the four Fox Body 5 litters I owned. Not one.
2:23-2:45 for anyone who likes fords better.
That 4.6 was always so cute.
Sounds great on my 03 Mustang GT :D
***** I love cars as long as there good in some way.. I just feel like ford let everyone down with the 2v GT. I mean th 3v was way better and the current 5.0 is pretty nasty. I feel the problem with most cars are the owners. I have other video racing my friend in his yellow mustang and we made fun of 1 another all the time lol .Just good fun .
I've beat plenty of 3v's in my '99 2v.
Necrometalfist Then your 2v is modded or they cant drive . Because a 2v GT is way slower then a 3v. Thats a simple fact .
Before I forget . I went to your channel so I could see this magical 2v GT and lord and behold no videos posted. You get that this is youtube and not a chat room right .
Josh Patterson Yeah, I don't record myself racing on video. So what? You still keep using crap written on paper or Internet results while my results are based on real world experience. If you want to go that route a couple tenths of a second isn't shit. Of course my car isn't stock anymore, but when it was it already was quicker than some posted times for 3v GT's.
Josh Patterson you do realize most people that comment don't have a video channel either.
Necrometalfist Which is fine. Videos do help make you a bit more credible on the topic of cars if you actually race cars and can proof it. Pictures worth a 1000 words and video is 1000s of pictures :)
Big company is still just people. Ford Even said they tried and tried to get a n/a Motor for the 2003 Cobra. It never would produce the power they wanted with street ability. Both have stepped up there game big time .Very happy with whats been going on .
I've seen new edge mustangs stock on the dyno make 230 wheel horsepower and the ls1 280 to 285. Wanna be technical ford makes more power per liter.
Agreed. I believe the rwhp got improved in 2001. Earlier mustangs had different pullys.
Ah man. The good ole power block program era.
I'd still have a 2000 cobra any day
Ford never made a 2000 cobra..
Joseph Costello yes they did...
no they didn't. they made a cobra R but not a cobra like the terminator
i know the termi was only 03-04
never knew that, thanks. MustangGuy23
That would be nice, the new "tech." on these engines is what makes these new Mustangs faster today. That and the fact that today's Muscle Cars are allowed to make 400+hp stock/from-factory.. :)
I'm out, there's too many Chevy fanboys on here in a race to suck each other off. They can't accept that Mustangs have always been a better car than the Crapmaro in all it's varieties.
Necrometalfist A Fanboy would be someone who refuses to see the fact about a car because of them liking it I like cars . dont care who makes them as long as there good . I daily drive a E36 BMW 325i . The only fanboying going on in here is you . I made claims of how the cars stack up at the Track followed by me posting not 1 but 3 , 5 MIn + long videos of me racing everything from the fox bodys,Mach 1,N/a Cobra,2v GTs,roush stage 2 , and 3v Gts . Thus backing up my words with my own actions in a 1998 z28 .
Also its a fact we 2 so called GM fanboys were discussing this. I told him that I did not think a Stock 96 Lt1 Z28 should be beating 3v GTs,N/a Cobras and Mach 1s . Something no fucking fanboy would say . Because All they would say is stuff you have been saying . Stuff like a 2v GT is faster than a 3v gt ,which is nonsense .
Your choice if you wanna leave on extremely ignorant and defensive post .
+datdude545 if it botherd u just buy a cobra.
the 4v was always much more on par with the ls1.
the 4.6 4v is potent too, terminator is proof!
so savage.
i like em all, i just hate fanboys. lol
love the lightning, love the termi, even a nice vette!
i'm definitely not a fan of japanese cars i'm all about muscle but whatever floats your boat!
lol.
Just personal preference actually....my first car as a freshman in high school was a 2000 SS with an LS1 never did anything to it performance wise, but had nothing but problems....I sold it and bought a 96 Firebird Formula with an LT1...I had a job and since i was still in school I put all my money from my job into it....Only problem I had was the damn optispark got wet (notorious on LT engines) it lasted me all the way through high school until I flipped it a few weeks after graduation.
Shit, I've beat this year Cobra in my 6M LT1.... from 65 roll to about 115.
I've had both. The Z28 is the far better car.
The part that was bullshit in this episode was the handling comparison, no way those us mustangs handle even close to the camaros.
You've got that backwards
+Necrometalfist nope hes right
+John Herkaler ive had both and the camaro handles much better
i'm used to hot hatches so the camaro to me handles like shit but man is it great on a straight away .
I agree mustang sound awesome. There is a reason for that. The Heads are made to produce the mustangs " sound " .The New Coyote 5.0 is the 1st 1 in a long time to ditch that and be built for speed. If you want a Mustang that sounds good and has some speed. Pick up a 3v Gt not a 2v Gt . Those 2v are so slow . To me I prefer the go to the sound. + I supercharger or cam most of my cars witch completely changes the sound anywho .
looking back all we can say is most of the camaros broke down and most of the mustangs are still driving around. reliability speaks for its self.
LMAO Please stop making a fool of yourself... LS especially the LS1 are famous for being one of the most reliable v8's around. And who ever said "Hey, lets SBF swap it"?
TheMlf Yeah he's being ridiculous, my LT1 version from 96' has never broken down once or had any mechanical problems...
DeclinedMite1 Only thing ive heard bad about lt1's is optispark other than that they're Monster.
go walk around a few junk yards, you will see 9 out of ten mustang there are wrecked with good motors in them. you will see 7 out of 10 camaros there are not wrecked and are there do to motor issues. trust me i looked for my self and found it to be true.
TheFassold That's why everyone is swapping Ls engines into all kinds of cars from japanese to europeans, and even some mustangs. Please lay off the crack and stop spreading bs lies.
I used to read this issue of Car and Driver in high school: Camaro vs Mustang. Again.
why is there an argument camaros are better hands down. Cobra mustang pshh let me supercharge an ls1 and it beats your new mustang 5.0s. The new z28 2014 beats the boss the gt500 and the gt all in a straight line so whatever. Chevy also makes Americas fastest sports car in the Corvertte zr1. Not counting like exotics like the henneesey viper gt even though it uses the corvette zr1s engine ;). The ford gt is good but is 150,000 dollar car and is built in Germany.
WRONG. hasn't ever beaten any of them in a straight line the past 4 years
and the hennessey tuned ford gt has the fastest texas mile, they are expensive because they arent made anymore and have way more potential
the fastest car in the world uses a Chevrolet engine and the new z28 indeed beats a shelby gt500
you know there's like 3 different versions right...? 662hp gt500, 850hp super snake, and the GT1000?
and your wrong once again, it only competes with the boss 302, all of the shelbies destroy it..
People bought (and are still buying) the Mustangs because of looks and quality. The 99-04 Mustang was a step above the same gen Camaro in every aspect of a "drivers car". It might not have it all in performance in the beginning , but the 03/04 Cobra's sure made up for that.
poop stang lol it was such a pile next to that LS engine Chevy
+John Foster yup the cobras were also poop an got raped by ls1s.
lolol.
i love chevy fans.
yea the cobras sucked till the terminators came out
lolol even the n/a 4vs were good an could beat lt/ls1's.
Price range
dsavish The 4v N/A motors could not beat the LS1. Not even close.
I like how in 1999 when the cars were new they were 20-25K but now there some for less then 5K
Oh look at me Iam old and care so much about comfort that I choose the mustang even though it is slower, unreliable ,ugly,stupid,boring, and way weeker....idiots if your a real gear head you get a CAMARO all the time it beats the mustang in everything and the reason why the hump is on passenger is because the car is so sleek that their is nowhere else to put it. The engine is low for better center gravity and pushed back for more balance as a sports car should be that is the recipe to a real performance car that's why bmw Ferrari Mercedes use this recipe and mustang no because it's always been a girl car no girl would drive the CAMARO my wife is actually scared of it .a 6 cylinder yes but they will still be like... I can't see over the dash ohhhh... but a mustang a girl wouldn't care getting an 8 because their so week anyway and thats final
Couldn't agree more...
Let me give you some history, but before that I'll say this.. I like both cars, their is nothing I hate about them, if I were to choose between the two, I'd choose the mustang, a few bolt-ons & you unleash a beast. It's funny how people like you say the mustang is for a "girl", I wish you would've said that to Carol Shelby (RIP), Steve Saleen, & Jack Roush, they would have laughed at you so hard in your face. You ever wonder why the camaro stopped production in 2002? Or the trans am discontinued in 2002? I'll tell you why.. Because in 2003 Ford Released the all new 2003 Ford "Mustang" Svt Cobra, code name "terminator"... Chevy knew about it, and they didn't have anything to back up their plate but a little ls shit motor... Yea that's right, I can see you getting red, so they stopped before it was too late. and to this day, their is this rivalry going on, about who's faster, I honestly don't care, I just wanted to remind you of some history before you keep most likely commenting on every mustang, or camaro vs mustang video you see....
a girl wouldnt drive a cobra moron stop hating on mustangs just because you prefer camaro. it has 5.7 liters ffs of course its faster then the 2v GT. btw camaros cant compare to mustang in the sound department.
What sounds hell yeah it does it's much deeper other words better
Yo no aceptaría un camaro ni porque me lo dieran a menos que fuera del año 89
The Jacket!
My 1990 now has a mild cam,2400-2800 rpm Tci Stall shortie headers . stock exhaust tune and World Sportsmen heads and runs mid 12s on radials .
Personally, I'm not a big trans am fan either. I think my ideal would be if Chev and Ford got together and made an LS1 powered Mustang :D
My nephew works at the Chevy dealership and he said the mustang v6 is faster then the camaro v6 but the camaro v8 will eat the mustang v8 all day. Of course the price of a camaro is more but u pay for what u get. I have seen both in action and drove both and the camaro has it all the way hands down
its the same exact car, the suspension changes are so minor you would never even know it, the biggest improvement would be a better set of tires.
Yea, it doesn't take much to wake them up...Gears will do wonders. A local guy has a 2V new edge and with gears, X pipe, tune, and sticky radials he ran a 12.8. He's got more bolt-ons now and stage 3 cams (can't remember the specs) making about 280 to the wheels, and he's outran 11 second cars on the street.
Every Ford with a stick shift i've owned has had the cupholder/shifter problem lol.
Back in time when people watched this shit of TV, not TH-cam.